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Date: 06 Nov 2006 14:29:46
From: Gordon
Subject: rules question
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The shot hit the rocks on the edge of a water hazard and bounces back into
the water - it made it over the water but bounced back into the pond.
Where can the ball be put into play? Does it need to come back on a
straight line from the hole as far as desired? Can it be played from the
hole side of the water? If the hole side, how do you determine the spot to
play from? paragon_st@paragon-insurance.com
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 02:02:03
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: rules question
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:29:46 -0500, "Gordon" <paragonfl@gmail.com >
wrote:
>The shot hit the rocks on the edge of a water hazard and bounces back into
>the water - it made it over the water but bounced back into the pond.
With a water hazard, we need to know the following:
Where did the ball last pass the official boundary of the hazard
(which may be outside of those rocks)?
Where is the pin?
Was the hazard a lateral hazard at the point where the ball went in?
Note - if it is a lateral hazard, and you don't see a point where you
can drop "not closer to the hole", consider dropping it on the other
side of the hazard, along with the more common options.
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 14:55:58
From: sfb
Subject: Re: rules question
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Depends upon the type of water hazard. ROG 26 at
http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/
A regular of yellow stake hazard has two options - a) drop where the
original ball was last played or b) drop behind the hazard along the line
from the hole to where the ball last crossed the hazard boundary.
In addition to the above, a lateral or red stake hazard has one more
option - c) drop two club lengths no nearer than hole from the point where
the original ball last crossed the hazard boundary or a point on the
opposite boundary equidistant from the hole.
For a regular hazard, you may never drop on the green side of the hazard
regardless of whether or not the ball actually last crossed the hazard
boundary on the green side.
For a lateral, if the ball last crossed the hazard boundary on the green
side and bounced back into the hazard, the drop may be taken on the green
side provided it is within two club lengths and no nearer the hole. If there
is no place on the green side within two clubs lengths and no nearer the
hole, than the lateral only option may not be taken.
"Gordon" <paragonfl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:ddSdnRXHztSsENLYnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@fdn.com...
> The shot hit the rocks on the edge of a water hazard and bounces back into
> the water - it made it over the water but bounced back into the pond.
>
> Where can the ball be put into play? Does it need to come back on a
> straight line from the hole as far as desired? Can it be played from the
> hole side of the water? If the hole side, how do you determine the spot
> to play from? paragon_st@paragon-insurance.com
>
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 02:03:45
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: rules question
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:55:58 -0500, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
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>A regular of yellow stake hazard has two options - a) drop where the
>original ball was last played or b) drop behind the hazard along the line
>from the hole to where the ball last crossed the hazard boundary.
Stroke and distance always is an option.
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 23:06:53
From: sfb
Subject: Re: rules question
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That be a) last time I checked.
"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:55:58 -0500, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>A regular of yellow stake hazard has two options - a) drop where the
>>original ball was last played or b) drop behind the hazard along the line
>>from the hole to where the ball last crossed the hazard boundary.
>
> Stroke and distance always is an option.
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 13:51:05
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: rules question
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:29:46 -0500, "Gordon" <paragonfl@gmail.com >
wrote:
>The shot hit the rocks on the edge of a water hazard and bounces back into
>the water - it made it over the water but bounced back into the pond.
>
>Where can the ball be put into play? Does it need to come back on a
>straight line from the hole as far as desired? Can it be played from the
>hole side of the water? If the hole side, how do you determine the spot to
>play from? paragon_st@paragon-insurance.com
>
You may not play from the hole side. If the rocks were within the
hazard line, the ball didn't cross the hazard. Even if you did cross
the hazard line, and the ball bounced back into the water, you must
keep the point where the ball LAST crossed the hazard line between
your point of drop and the pin...as far back as you like.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 07 Nov 2006 02:02:54
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: rules question
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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:51:05 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>You may not play from the hole side. If the rocks were within the
>hazard line, the ball didn't cross the hazard. Even if you did cross
>the hazard line, and the ball bounced back into the water, you must
>keep the point where the ball LAST crossed the hazard line between
>your point of drop and the pin...as far back as you like.
Can the drop be within the hazard on the pin side of the water?
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 23:06:10
From: sfb
Subject: Re: rules question
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No per ROG 26 at http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/
"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:d9qvk2t0a4aq89hsamluhmcs7bap7cjqcg@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:51:05 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
> wrote:
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>>You may not play from the hole side. If the rocks were within the
>>hazard line, the ball didn't cross the hazard. Even if you did cross
>>the hazard line, and the ball bounced back into the water, you must
>>keep the point where the ball LAST crossed the hazard line between
>>your point of drop and the pin...as far back as you like.
>
> Can the drop be within the hazard on the pin side of the water?
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 13:46:52
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: rules question
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:29:46 -0500, "Gordon" <paragonfl@gmail.com >
wrote:
>The shot hit the rocks on the edge of a water hazard and bounces back into
>the water - it made it over the water but bounced back into the pond.
>
>Where can the ball be put into play? Does it need to come back on a
>straight line from the hole as far as desired? Can it be played from the
>hole side of the water? If the hole side, how do you determine the spot to
>play from? paragon_st@paragon-insurance.com
>
Doesn't matter where the ball entered the water if it is not a lateral
water hazard. You must keep the point at which the ball last entered
the hazard between you and the pin...as far back as you like.
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 11:46:51
From: long&left
Subject: Re: rules question
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Gordon wrote:
> The shot hit the rocks on the edge of a water hazard and bounces back into
> the water - it made it over the water but bounced back into the pond.
>
> Where can the ball be put into play? Does it need to come back on a
> straight line from the hole as far as desired? Can it be played from the
> hole side of the water? If the hole side, how do you determine the spot to
> play from? paragon_st@paragon-insurance.com
>
>
firstly, are you sure the rocks were not in the hazard? They usually are.
--
Dave
You are meant to play the ball as it lies, a fact that may help to touch
on your own objective approach to life. ~Grantland Rice
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