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Date: 09 Feb 2007 10:48:38
From: rob classic
Subject: putting. am i cheating?
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i have a voodoo daddy putter from never compromise. hee is pic for
reference.
http://www.viajoven.com/golf/mejorespalosdegolf/fotos/pcleveland3.jpg
when i was putting, while putter was lined up next to ball, while holding
the putter in place, i basically side stepped so that i was directly behind
ball, facing hole.
as you can see from the pic, the 2 inch silver bar behind the putter was an
excellent guide and by doing this, i realized my putt was going to go right,
so i tweaked putter from behind, and made a little adjustment angling putter
more to left. now i looked aligned nicely. Now, without touching ball, I
held putter in new position, then went back to my normal putter stance. i
then sank the 11-12 footer. my friend who i was playing with called foul.
(not official foul, but complained that it was bogus, thats cheating etc..)
did i cheat?
thanks for help.
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 10:19:19
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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I'm not sure if you're cheating, but I'm quite certain that you're
mind-numbingly boring.
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 11:42:18
From: rob classic
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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it took about 5 secs to do it, which is considerably shorter time than most
golfers i see lining up there way.
"Miss Anne Thrope" <High_Colonic@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:1642-45CF33F7-451@storefull-3158.bay.webtv.net...
> I'm not sure if you're cheating, but I'm quite certain that you're
> mind-numbingly boring.
>
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 08:58:38
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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rob classic wrote:
> i have a voodoo daddy putter from never compromise. hee is pic for
> reference.
>
> http://www.viajoven.com/golf/mejorespalosdegolf/fotos/pcleveland3.jpg
>
> when i was putting, while putter was lined up next to ball, while holding
> the putter in place, i basically side stepped so that i was directly behind
> ball, facing hole.
>
> as you can see from the pic, the 2 inch silver bar behind the putter was an
> excellent guide and by doing this, i realized my putt was going to go right,
> so i tweaked putter from behind, and made a little adjustment angling putter
> more to left. now i looked aligned nicely. Now, without touching ball, I
> held putter in new position, then went back to my normal putter stance. i
> then sank the 11-12 footer. my friend who i was playing with called foul.
> (not official foul, but complained that it was bogus, thats cheating etc..)
>
> did i cheat?
>
> thanks for help.
>
>
Two comments. In my mind, there's a difference between breaking a rule
unintentionally, and cheating. If you're cheating, you *know* you're
breaking a rule and doing it intentionally.
As to your question, you can line up like that and you are not breaking
the rules of golf. In fact, over the years there have been many putters
designed to stand upright, by themselves, while the golfer goes behind
the putter and sees how it lines up. Here's one:
http://www.balancebraceletusa.com/docs/view_image.php?id=149
I used to use one--I found it helped me overcome a visual miscue when
lining up a putt while standing over it.
Mike
--
Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2007: June 22-24----Lawsonia!
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 20:06:32
From:
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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That is a picture of the Pegg Putter.
Didn't Jeff send you one?
Not sure if he is still making them as his website is no longer valid.
I am still using my Pegg Putter. I have tried many other's including
the Odyssey three ball, but keep going back to my Pegg.
Don
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:58:38 -0600, Mike Dalecki
<mike@removeclubdoctor.com > wrote:
>rob classic wrote:
>> i have a voodoo daddy putter from never compromise. hee is pic for
>> reference.
>>
>> http://www.viajoven.com/golf/mejorespalosdegolf/fotos/pcleveland3.jpg
>>
>> when i was putting, while putter was lined up next to ball, while holding
>> the putter in place, i basically side stepped so that i was directly behind
>> ball, facing hole.
>>
>> as you can see from the pic, the 2 inch silver bar behind the putter was an
>> excellent guide and by doing this, i realized my putt was going to go right,
>> so i tweaked putter from behind, and made a little adjustment angling putter
>> more to left. now i looked aligned nicely. Now, without touching ball, I
>> held putter in new position, then went back to my normal putter stance. i
>> then sank the 11-12 footer. my friend who i was playing with called foul.
>> (not official foul, but complained that it was bogus, thats cheating etc..)
>>
>> did i cheat?
>>
>> thanks for help.
>>
>>
>
>Two comments. In my mind, there's a difference between breaking a rule
>unintentionally, and cheating. If you're cheating, you *know* you're
>breaking a rule and doing it intentionally.
>
>As to your question, you can line up like that and you are not breaking
>the rules of golf. In fact, over the years there have been many putters
>designed to stand upright, by themselves, while the golfer goes behind
>the putter and sees how it lines up. Here's one:
>
>http://www.balancebraceletusa.com/docs/view_image.php?id=149
>
>I used to use one--I found it helped me overcome a visual miscue when
>lining up a putt while standing over it.
>
>Mike
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 11:41:23
From: rob classic
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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that is almost exactly what i did, except i held the putter, so i was only
like a foot or wtwo behind it! thanks for the pic!
"Mike Dalecki" <mike@removeclubdoctor.com > wrote in message
news:538p90F1rj2sgU1@mid.individual.net...
> rob classic wrote:
>> i have a voodoo daddy putter from never compromise. hee is pic for
>> reference.
>>
>> http://www.viajoven.com/golf/mejorespalosdegolf/fotos/pcleveland3.jpg
>>
>> when i was putting, while putter was lined up next to ball, while holding
>> the putter in place, i basically side stepped so that i was directly
>> behind ball, facing hole.
>>
>> as you can see from the pic, the 2 inch silver bar behind the putter was
>> an excellent guide and by doing this, i realized my putt was going to go
>> right, so i tweaked putter from behind, and made a little adjustment
>> angling putter more to left. now i looked aligned nicely. Now, without
>> touching ball, I held putter in new position, then went back to my normal
>> putter stance. i then sank the 11-12 footer. my friend who i was
>> playing with called foul. (not official foul, but complained that it was
>> bogus, thats cheating etc..)
>>
>> did i cheat?
>>
>> thanks for help.
>
> Two comments. In my mind, there's a difference between breaking a rule
> unintentionally, and cheating. If you're cheating, you *know* you're
> breaking a rule and doing it intentionally.
>
> As to your question, you can line up like that and you are not breaking
> the rules of golf. In fact, over the years there have been many putters
> designed to stand upright, by themselves, while the golfer goes behind the
> putter and sees how it lines up. Here's one:
>
> http://www.balancebraceletusa.com/docs/view_image.php?id=149
>
> I used to use one--I found it helped me overcome a visual miscue when
> lining up a putt while standing over it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
> Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com
> RSG-Wisconsin 2007: June 22-24----Lawsonia!
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 19:07:25
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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In article <45cc97d6$0$16952$4c368faf@roadrunner.com >,
"rob classic" <1@1.com > wrote:
> i have a voodoo daddy putter from never compromise. hee is pic for
> reference.
>
> http://www.viajoven.com/golf/mejorespalosdegolf/fotos/pcleveland3.jpg
>
> when i was putting, while putter was lined up next to ball, while holding
> the putter in place, i basically side stepped so that i was directly behind
> ball, facing hole.
>
> as you can see from the pic, the 2 inch silver bar behind the putter was an
> excellent guide and by doing this, i realized my putt was going to go right,
> so i tweaked putter from behind, and made a little adjustment angling putter
> more to left. now i looked aligned nicely. Now, without touching ball, I
> held putter in new position, then went back to my normal putter stance. i
> then sank the 11-12 footer. my friend who i was playing with called foul.
> (not official foul, but complained that it was bogus, thats cheating etc..)
>
> did i cheat?
>
> thanks for help.
Nope.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed
the demo of the iPhone speakerphone.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 08:59:01
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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On Feb 9, 11:17 am, Watson deMeneux <Neverm...@server.it > wrote:
> rob classic wrote:
> > i have a voodoo daddy putter from never compromise. hee is pic for
> > reference.
>
> >http://www.viajoven.com/golf/mejorespalosdegolf/fotos/pcleveland3.jpg
>
> > when i was putting, while putter was lined up next to ball, while holding
> > the putter in place, i basically side stepped so that i was directly behind
> > ball, facing hole.
>
> > as you can see from the pic, the 2 inch silver bar behind the putter was an
> > excellent guide and by doing this, i realized my putt was going to go right,
> > so i tweaked putter from behind, and made a little adjustment angling putter
> > more to left. now i looked aligned nicely. Now, without touching ball, I
> > held putter in new position, then went back to my normal putter stance. i
> > then sank the 11-12 footer. my friend who i was playing with called foul.
> > (not official foul, but complained that it was bogus, thats cheating etc..)
>
> > did i cheat?
>
> > thanks for help.
>
> No. You can do (pretty well) anything you want to line yourself up. As
> long as you're not straddling the line when you make the stroke, you're
> fine.
>
> --
> Watson deMeneux
> -Say it out loud next time you're in a restaurant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
But if you did hit the putt while straddling the line.....that is
against the rules ? That probably explains why there are no putters
designed that way.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 20:46:22
From: Watson deMeneux
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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>
>
> But if you did hit the putt while straddling the line.....that is
> against the rules ? That probably explains why there are no putters
> designed that way.
>
Standing Astride or on Line of Putt
The player must not make a stroke on the putting green from a stance
astride, or with either foot touching, the line of putt or an extension
of that line behind the ball.
--
Watson deMeneux
-Say it out loud next time you're in a restaurant.
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 00:38:02
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:46:22 GMT, Watson deMeneux
<Nevermind@server.it > wrote:
>Standing Astride or on Line of Putt
>The player must not make a stroke on the putting green from a stance
>astride, or with either foot touching, the line of putt or an extension
>of that line behind the ball.
They made the rule because they didn't like Sam Snead when he used a
croquet style putter and it didn't look the way they wanted golf to
look.
They modified the rule a year or two ago after some controversy with
Tiger Woods, whether he broke that rule by tapping in without stepping
on someone's line. Now, in that particular instance, the rule does
not apply. That speeds up the game a bit.
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 09:51:17
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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Watson deMeneux wrote:
> -
>
>>
>>
>> But if you did hit the putt while straddling the line.....that is
>> against the rules ? That probably explains why there are no putters
>> designed that way.
>>
>
> Standing Astride or on Line of Putt
> The player must not make a stroke on the putting green from a stance
> astride, or with either foot touching, the line of putt or an extension
> of that line behind the ball.
>
The rule on this was relaxed in the 2006 issue of the 'Decisions' book.
(See Decision 16-1e/2). The purpose of the basic rule (R16-1e) is to
prevent a "croquet" style of putting as was practiced by Sam Snead, and
others. It only applies of course when putting from on the green.....you
can still do it if off the green.
The situation was clarified with the latest Decision where with a short
putt on the green, if the act is inadvertent or is to avoid standing on
another player's line of putt or prospective line of putt, then the putt
is not a "croquet" style of putt and the rule is not breached. So...go
ahead and do it....but don't push your luck!
cheers
david
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 16:17:53
From: Watson deMeneux
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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rob classic wrote:
> i have a voodoo daddy putter from never compromise. hee is pic for
> reference.
>
> http://www.viajoven.com/golf/mejorespalosdegolf/fotos/pcleveland3.jpg
>
> when i was putting, while putter was lined up next to ball, while holding
> the putter in place, i basically side stepped so that i was directly behind
> ball, facing hole.
>
> as you can see from the pic, the 2 inch silver bar behind the putter was an
> excellent guide and by doing this, i realized my putt was going to go right,
> so i tweaked putter from behind, and made a little adjustment angling putter
> more to left. now i looked aligned nicely. Now, without touching ball, I
> held putter in new position, then went back to my normal putter stance. i
> then sank the 11-12 footer. my friend who i was playing with called foul.
> (not official foul, but complained that it was bogus, thats cheating etc..)
>
> did i cheat?
>
> thanks for help.
>
>
No. You can do (pretty well) anything you want to line yourself up. As
long as you're not straddling the line when you make the stroke, you're
fine.
--
Watson deMeneux
-Say it out loud next time you're in a restaurant.
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 11:28:23
From: Zuke
Subject: Re: putting. am i cheating?
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:46:22 GMT, Watson deMeneux
> <Nevermind@server.it> wrote:
>
>> Standing Astride or on Line of Putt
>> The player must not make a stroke on the putting green from a stance
>> astride, or with either foot touching, the line of putt or an extension
>> of that line behind the ball.
>
> They made the rule because they didn't like Sam Snead when he used a
> croquet style putter and it didn't look the way they wanted golf to
> look.
>
> They modified the rule a year or two ago after some controversy with
> Tiger Woods, whether he broke that rule by tapping in without stepping
> on someone's line. Now, in that particular instance, the rule does
> not apply. That speeds up the game a bit.
>
They had that on the Golf Channel the other night. It was Tiger at
the Masters. He had about a two inch putt and did the old odd
stance probably to stay out of somebody's line but it may have been
because it was so short and he just wanted to get it done quickly.
Naturally some kook called in and Tiger had to sit down and be
inconvenienced for about an hour while the rules guys made some
hamburger out of a non-situation.
I don't know if that incident was the reason for the change, maybe
just somebody had some common sense for a change.
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