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Date: 03 Oct 2006 17:50:47
From: calmar
Subject: my swing
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Well hi all,
for heavens sake, my swing at the end of the saison.
http://www.cal.ws/gallery_ems/ems_2006_75th_day/index.htm
75 days of golf that year, quite much, and it's getting boring somebit.
Overall I learned quite a bit again that year. Many fine-tuning
issues (grip, addressing, general way to hit the ball). All
resulting (hopefully) in a more natural, easier, more simple, more
precise swing.
Issues:
1. Still the issues with lifting the head on the backswing (even so at
the start of the downswing it's about where it needs to be, what
seems to be important to me).
2. The head is ducked down quite much (therefore lifted and turned on
the backswing), but I want that like that. I don't think that's a
problem really.
3. The backswing is quite flat in some way. But i'm not sure if that's
an issue really, since most have a more flat (or lets say the
backswing plane is more inside). Overall it's natural to me, hmm. I
really tried to get rid of that, but then it's never 'natural' at
all.
4. the left foot is still lifting quite much, but I don't see the
importance of that really, since there is about no weight on it at
the end of the backswing anyway, afaik. I'm still 240 pounds, fatty,
and not that flexible - as an excuse.
On the back-movie I hit the ball quite outside of the club, therefore it
starts to the right and travels back later. I don't know why that is the
case, but it works like that about all the time when that happens :)
Cheers to everybody
cal
PS: Do *NOT* buy the new panasonic digital camera's if you want some
sane movie quality. Well obvious to see at the videos provided above
wich all those awful stairs. I would buy today one of the new Fuji's.
The only ?drawback?, they have their own fuji-memory-stick.
http://www.cal.ws/panasonic
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 14:41:15
From: JJK
Subject: Re: my swing
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"cal" wrote:
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> for heavens sake, my swing at the end of the saison.
>
> http://www.cal.ws/gallery_ems/ems_2006_75th_day/index.htm
<snip >
I'd be very careful the next time you play golf there. Someone trained a red
laser on you while you were recording your swing. ~`8^)
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Date: 09 Oct 2006 19:03:49
From: calmar
Subject: Re: my swing
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On 2006-10-07, JJK <surpher@verizon.net > wrote:
>
> I'd be very careful the next time you play golf there. Someone trained a red
> laser on you while you were recording your swing. ~`8^)
>
haha ;)
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 23:51:38
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: my swing
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cal wrote:
> Well hi all,
Hi co,
You really do live in a wonderful place, whether you know it
on not.
I see progress with your swing, but as I've said before, I think
you would make a lot faster progress working with
a pro. Those small issues that you don't think are important
have turned into habits that will be hard to break. I
know you've said you don't think there are any good local
pros, but that doesn't keep you from
sending your video to places like the Internet Golf Academy
at v1home.com, or some other such place (there are several
others).
That way you could get some professional advice
that you might be able to trust enough to actually commit
to changing your swing, no matter how "unatural" it feels.
Anyway, good luck, and keep us posted.
- Bill
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 02:55:18
From: calmar
Subject: Re: my swing
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On 2006-10-04, Birdie Bill <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
Hi Bill,
> Hi co,
>
> You really do live in a wonderful place, whether you know it
> on not.
Hm, ;) thanks
> I see progress with your swing, but as I've said before, I think
> you would make a lot faster progress working with a pro.
A very good one, yeah probably/maybe. A bad one, a waste of time and
money I guess.
What you and others said, is also quite much. You're much more
*hard*/direct, while a local pro, would more tell a little thing, then
when you hit the ball better or whatever, he will say: 'see¸ very nice'.
And that's the lesson then.
> Those small issues that you don't think are important
> have turned into habits that will be hard to break. I
yeah maybe/probably.
> know you've said you don't think there are any good local
> pros, but that doesn't keep you from
> sending your video to places like the Internet Golf Academy
> at v1home.com, or some other such place (there are several
> others).
What I need to do, is:
getting the hands (left little finger especially) straight and square
through the target. When I do that, the ball will be straight and
square. Finally it's *all* about it!
Sometimes I hit the balls too fat, what is most probably because of the
up/down, yeah.
I think you can tweak someone into something, where he hopefully begins
feels something like a 'natural' swing. That's actually what local pros
can do on HCP 20+. (or let's say, where he actually begins to get some
'grip' on the club-handling...)
Or when there is someone with somekind of a 'natural ergonomic' swing
already, they can tweak him also, but you may don't want to break his
basic way to hit the ball, especially when that is something what works
nicely (HCP 5-20).
Most probably those HCP 5-20 would benefit more of an improved basic way
to hit the ball *basically*, rather than some tweaking. Unless those
tweakings actually brings that person to a better basic way of hitting
the ball.
Most local pros can't do that so, because they are 1-2 levels below of a
playing pro in their own basic swing, and therefore not far away of a
HCP 5 player, IMHO.
Those playing-pros often can't teach others even so they do it right,
because they just know how to do it for themselves, without really
knowing the issues HCP 5-30 players have - and most of the time, they
never cared for '3inch more to the left, and this here and that there'.
They can 'only' play - and begun so in a natural good way on their
childhoood. IMHO.
Anyway, the c1home people probably will tell me about the same as you
said, I guess.
At least some issues on my swing got better just by practice without
even thinking at those especially (I guess just by increasing the
quality of my basic swing). Others are still the same, yeah - even with
somekind of *intense* 'trying' (more steep backswing, no up/down thing).
sigh.
Next year, when I'm satisfied with actually hitting the balls straight
and nice (again), I can retry to 'fix' those things once again.... Not
easy really. Some maybe not necessary as well (some flat backswing or
whatever that is..?).
> That way you could get some professional advice
> that you might be able to trust enough to actually commit
> to changing your swing, no matter how "unatural" it feels.
I hope your're better now with the bones and so, enjoying some nice
rounds of golf, the healthy sport!!
Cheers, thanks, and a good winter-time,
cal aka co
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Date: 04 Oct 2006 20:16:56
From: otterbgoin
Subject: Re: my swing
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On Oct 4 2006 7:55 PM, cal wrote:
> On 2006-10-04, Birdie Bill <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> > Hi co,
> >
> > You really do live in a wonderful place, whether you know it
> > on not.
>
> Hm, ;) thanks
>
> > I see progress with your swing, but as I've said before, I think
> > you would make a lot faster progress working with a pro.
>
> A very good one, yeah probably/maybe. A bad one, a waste of time and
> money I guess.
>
> What you and others said, is also quite much. You're much more
> *hard*/direct, while a local pro, would more tell a little thing, then
> when you hit the ball better or whatever, he will say: 'see¸ very nice'.
> And that's the lesson then.
>
> > Those small issues that you don't think are important
> > have turned into habits that will be hard to break. I
>
> yeah maybe/probably.
>
> > know you've said you don't think there are any good local
> > pros, but that doesn't keep you from
> > sending your video to places like the Internet Golf Academy
> > at v1home.com, or some other such place (there are several
> > others).
>
> What I need to do, is:
>
> getting the hands (left little finger especially) straight and square
> through the target. When I do that, the ball will be straight and
> square. Finally it's *all* about it!
>
> Sometimes I hit the balls too fat, what is most probably because of the
> up/down, yeah.
>
> I think you can tweak someone into something, where he hopefully begins
> feels something like a 'natural' swing. That's actually what local pros
> can do on HCP 20+. (or let's say, where he actually begins to get some
> 'grip' on the club-handling...)
>
> Or when there is someone with somekind of a 'natural ergonomic' swing
> already, they can tweak him also, but you may don't want to break his
> basic way to hit the ball, especially when that is something what works
> nicely (HCP 5-20).
>
> Most probably those HCP 5-20 would benefit more of an improved basic way
> to hit the ball *basically*, rather than some tweaking. Unless those
> tweakings actually brings that person to a better basic way of hitting
> the ball.
>
> Most local pros can't do that so, because they are 1-2 levels below of a
> playing pro in their own basic swing, and therefore not far away of a
> HCP 5 player, IMHO.
>
> Those playing-pros often can't teach others even so they do it right,
> because they just know how to do it for themselves, without really
> knowing the issues HCP 5-30 players have - and most of the time, they
> never cared for '3inch more to the left, and this here and that there'.
> They can 'only' play - and begun so in a natural good way on their
> childhoood. IMHO.
>
> Anyway, the c1home people probably will tell me about the same as you
> said, I guess.
>
> At least some issues on my swing got better just by practice without
> even thinking at those especially (I guess just by increasing the
> quality of my basic swing). Others are still the same, yeah - even with
> somekind of *intense* 'trying' (more steep backswing, no up/down thing).
> sigh.
>
> Next year, when I'm satisfied with actually hitting the balls straight
> and nice (again), I can retry to 'fix' those things once again.... Not
> easy really. Some maybe not necessary as well (some flat backswing or
> whatever that is..?).
>
> > That way you could get some professional advice
> > that you might be able to trust enough to actually commit
> > to changing your swing, no matter how "unatural" it feels.
>
> I hope your're better now with the bones and so, enjoying some nice
> rounds of golf, the healthy sport!!
>
> Cheers, thanks, and a good winter-time,
>
> cal aka co
co,
Yeah, I'm feeling a lot better these days, although it comes and goes.
Use it or lose it.
I don't know what the pro would tell you, and that is just the point.
Everytime I have gone to a pro and started to tell him what I needed
to work on, invariably I had been working on the wrong thing. Something
else was more important that I was ignoring.
I suspect that a pro would start you off working on fundamentals,
because to my eye, you can still use some work in that area, setup
and posture especially. But that is just speculation.
Anyway, I won't beat a dead horse. Have a great winter. I assume
you are a skier?
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Date: 07 Oct 2006 14:39:51
From: calmar
Subject: Re: my swing
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On 2006-10-05, otterbgoin <birdie_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
Hi Bill,
>
> Yeah, I'm feeling a lot better these days, although it comes and goes.
> Use it or lose it.
lot better, congrats for that!
> I don't know what the pro would tell you, and that is just the point.
> Everytime I have gone to a pro and started to tell him what I needed
> to work on, invariably I had been working on the wrong thing. Something
> else was more important that I was ignoring.
I see.
> I assume you are a skier?
Not anymore really. I do other sports now, icehockey, bowling, golf,
tablesoccer, billard... I did lot of skiing when I was young. All the
pupils got a free year-ticket for skiing there in Flims where I actually
grow up:
http://newsite.elance.ch/application/public/upload/files/Flims_map2_ski.jpg
When talking about Flims, when I was young I played regurarly *Curling*
there, what actually is a sport I *really* liked. Unfortunatly you can't
play curling in this silly city 'Chur' here. When you ever come across
where you can play Curling, may check it out and have a good time :)
Cheers
co
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