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Date: 26 Sep 2006 09:55:08
From: R.J.
Subject: the future of the Ryder Cup
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A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
to them than the Europeans.
What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
Singh
Scott
Goosen
Els
Ogilvy
Immelman
Clark
Cabrera
M. Campbell
Appleby
Sabbatini
Weir
fun stuff.
RJ
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 08:22:34
From: Cal Golfer
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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There is nothing new about this suggestion, and if Jack NIcklaus and
others had a little better foresight in 1977 (when he first pushed for
the idea of expanding one team to include all of Europe and not just
the British Isles), there never would have been a separate President's
Cup. Unfortuneately, too much money, prestige, and egos would have to
be dealt with today, and I don't see the two Cups being combined into
one any time soon. What might be more interesting is to add golf to the
Olympic games...now THAT would be interesting and fun to watch. You
could even make that a team competition as well...
R.J. wrote:
> A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
>
> Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
> because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
> to them than the Europeans.
>
> What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
> race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
>
> Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
>
> Singh
> Scott
> Goosen
> Els
> Ogilvy
> Immelman
> Clark
> Cabrera
> M. Campbell
> Appleby
> Sabbatini
> Weir
>
> fun stuff.
>
>
> RJ
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 14:12:52
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: What is wrong with the Ryder Cup?
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In article <1159255499.419967.252390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
jacqueszmonkey@aol.com says...
>
> Howard9 wrote:
>
> >
> > A completely hilarious reply when you consider that the US hardly takes
> > part in ANY international sport and rarely hosts an international event.
> > It can only dream of a sport like football that encompasses almost the
> > whole world and brings dozens of international teams and millions of
> > fans to the host country.
> >
>
> What the hell are you babbling on about? The US hosted the World Cup in
> 1994 and the Summer Olympics in 1996 and 1984.
Woooo... two events in eight years... amazing !!
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Howard
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 07:11:10
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82 >,
"R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net > wrote:
> A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
>
> Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
> because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
> to them than the Europeans.
>
> What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
> race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
>
> Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
>
> Singh
> Scott
> Goosen
> Els
> Ogilvy
> Immelman
> Clark
> Cabrera
> M. Campbell
> Appleby
> Sabbatini
> Weir
>
> fun stuff.
>
>
> RJ
No, because there is really no definable entity called the "Rest of the
World". That's like the drawer you put all those old socks into because
you have nowhere else to put them. No one gets fired up representing the
"Rest of the World", and their inclusion would devalue the US/Europe
rivalry.
William Clark
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 14:24:54
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <clark.31-0A3F5D.07111026092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu >, clark.31@osu.edu says...
> No, because there is really no definable entity called the "Rest of the
> World". That's like the drawer you put all those old socks into because
> you have nowhere else to put them. No one gets fired up representing the
> "Rest of the World", and their inclusion would devalue the US/Europe
> rivalry.
>
Hey William - it's just another red herring to try to get out of losing
the Ryder Cup.
What the US players need is more match play, more fourballs and more
foursomes in their development and on the tour.
I don't believe that the US public are cold on matchplay etc. I think
the US Tour have just been lazy in not presenting this kind of format to
the public. After all they love the skins programming on USTV.
The Ryder Cup is staying, get used to it. The job now should be how to
get US players playing a wider range of golf as it was designed to be
played, not to run away from defeat.
--
Howard
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 05:17:29
From: rich
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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"Howard9" <fictional@email.com > wrote in message
news:MPG.1f833a7f5ae2cbca989ef8@news.iol.ie...
> In article <clark.31-0A3F5D.07111026092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> What the US players need is more match play, more fourballs and more
> foursomes in their development and on the tour.
What makes you think that anyone thinks the Ryder Cup is important enough to
completely revamp how and what players play? Even the Euro tour is almost
exclusively 72-hope stroke play tournaments.
Some folks need to seriously get their perspective back.
Maybe the Euros need more 72-stroke play in their development and tour so
they could occasionally win a major or a WGC event instead of always getting
tattoed by PGA Tour players in those events.
Rich
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 07:11:28
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <J%1Tg.18382$8O1.5802@trnddc04 >, "rich" <dummy@nothere.com>
wrote:
> "Howard9" <fictional@email.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f833a7f5ae2cbca989ef8@news.iol.ie...
> > In article <clark.31-0A3F5D.07111026092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
>
> > What the US players need is more match play, more fourballs and more
> > foursomes in their development and on the tour.
>
> What makes you think that anyone thinks the Ryder Cup is important enough to
> completely revamp how and what players play? Even the Euro tour is almost
> exclusively 72-hope stroke play tournaments.
>
> Some folks need to seriously get their perspective back.
>
> Maybe the Euros need more 72-stroke play in their development and tour so
> they could occasionally win a major or a WGC event instead of always getting
> tattoed by PGA Tour players in those events.
>
> Rich
Well, of the last 24 majors, Woods has won 10, Mickleson 2, southern
hemisphere players 8, and the rest by the likes of Micheel, Hamilton,
Curtis, Toms, et al. Take away TW and PM, and southerners dominate. And
perhaps you should have had Beem, Curtis, and Duval in the RC team?
Right.
William Clark
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 23:46:19
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-EE767E.07112829092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <J%1Tg.18382$8O1.5802@trnddc04>, "rich" <dummy@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Howard9" <fictional@email.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1f833a7f5ae2cbca989ef8@news.iol.ie...
>> > In article <clark.31-0A3F5D.07111026092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
>>
>> > What the US players need is more match play, more fourballs and more
>> > foursomes in their development and on the tour.
>>
>> What makes you think that anyone thinks the Ryder Cup is important enough
>> to
>> completely revamp how and what players play? Even the Euro tour is
>> almost
>> exclusively 72-hope stroke play tournaments.
>>
>> Some folks need to seriously get their perspective back.
>>
>> Maybe the Euros need more 72-stroke play in their development and tour so
>> they could occasionally win a major or a WGC event instead of always
>> getting
>> tattoed by PGA Tour players in those events.
>>
>> Rich
>
> Well, of the last 24 majors, Woods has won 10, Mickleson 2,
snip
Mickelson has won 3, not 2 majors and all 3 were within the last 24 played.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 21:51:54
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:11:28 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:
>Well, of the last 24 majors, Woods has won 10, Mickleson 2, southern
>hemisphere players 8, and the rest by the likes of Micheel, Hamilton,
>Curtis, Toms, et al. Take away TW and PM, and southerners dominate. And
>perhaps you should have had Beem, Curtis, and Duval in the RC team?
Watson says he has a bad weather playing advantage from living in
Kansas.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 07:35:49
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82>,
> "R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
>>
>> Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
>> because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
>> to them than the Europeans.
>>
>> What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
>> race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
>>
>> Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
>>
>> Singh
>> Scott
>> Goosen
>> Els
>> Ogilvy
>> Immelman
>> Clark
>> Cabrera
>> M. Campbell
>> Appleby
>> Sabbatini
>> Weir
>>
>> fun stuff.
>>
>>
>> RJ
>
> No, because there is really no definable entity called the "Rest of the
> World". That's like the drawer you put all those old socks into because
> you have nowhere else to put them. No one gets fired up representing the
> "Rest of the World", and their inclusion would devalue the US/Europe
> rivalry.
Is there something magical about the definition of Europe? I see it as a
geographic collection of countries. There are distinctions between
Americas, South Americans and North Americans. Even within North America
there are three countries which are Canada, Mexico and the United States
of America. Call the rest of the world the Non-Aligned Golfing Countries.
Times change, go with the flow and don't be so rigid.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 08:52:32
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <3qGdnVDNGpIIjYTYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com >,
Bert Robbins <screw@you.com > wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82>,
> > "R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
> >>
> >> Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
> >> because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
> >> to them than the Europeans.
> >>
> >> What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
> >> race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
> >>
> >> Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
> >>
> >> Singh
> >> Scott
> >> Goosen
> >> Els
> >> Ogilvy
> >> Immelman
> >> Clark
> >> Cabrera
> >> M. Campbell
> >> Appleby
> >> Sabbatini
> >> Weir
> >>
> >> fun stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >> RJ
> >
> > No, because there is really no definable entity called the "Rest of the
> > World". That's like the drawer you put all those old socks into because
> > you have nowhere else to put them. No one gets fired up representing the
> > "Rest of the World", and their inclusion would devalue the US/Europe
> > rivalry.
>
> Is there something magical about the definition of Europe? I see it as a
> geographic collection of countries. There are distinctions between
> Americas, South Americans and North Americans. Even within North America
> there are three countries which are Canada, Mexico and the United States
> of America. Call the rest of the world the Non-Aligned Golfing Countries.
>
> Times change, go with the flow and don't be so rigid.
Yes, they play together as a group on the European Tour. Some spend a
lot of time in the US on the PGA Tour, but they all identify with the
European Tour, and feel passionate about representing it when they play
in the RC.
There is nothing comparable for the Rest of the World.
William Clark
William Clark
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 17:41:42
From: MichaelJP
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-B2FD76.08523226092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <3qGdnVDNGpIIjYTYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote:
>
>> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>> > In article <0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82>,
>> > "R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting
>> >> suggestion.
>> >>
>> >> Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder
>> >> Cup,
>> >> because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means
>> >> less
>> >> to them than the Europeans.
>> >>
>> >> What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3
>> >> horse
>> >> race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
>> >>
>> >> Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
>> >>
>> >> Singh
>> >> Scott
>> >> Goosen
>> >> Els
>> >> Ogilvy
>> >> Immelman
>> >> Clark
>> >> Cabrera
>> >> M. Campbell
>> >> Appleby
>> >> Sabbatini
>> >> Weir
>> >>
>> >> fun stuff.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> RJ
>> >
>> > No, because there is really no definable entity called the "Rest of the
>> > World". That's like the drawer you put all those old socks into because
>> > you have nowhere else to put them. No one gets fired up representing
>> > the
>> > "Rest of the World", and their inclusion would devalue the US/Europe
>> > rivalry.
>>
>> Is there something magical about the definition of Europe? I see it as a
>> geographic collection of countries. There are distinctions between
>> Americas, South Americans and North Americans. Even within North America
>> there are three countries which are Canada, Mexico and the United States
>> of America. Call the rest of the world the Non-Aligned Golfing Countries.
>>
>> Times change, go with the flow and don't be so rigid.
>
> Yes, they play together as a group on the European Tour. Some spend a
> lot of time in the US on the PGA Tour, but they all identify with the
> European Tour, and feel passionate about representing it when they play
> in the RC.
>
> There is nothing comparable for the Rest of the World.
>
> William Clark
Possibly, but most people agree the main motivating factor for the
"European" team is to beat the Americans. Nothing to do with owing
allegiance to a loosely defined group of unrelated countries.
The American team's motivation? Not to lose. Doesn't seem to work for them
though.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:44:22
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <OL-dnQD1nJHYxYTYRVnytQ@pipex.net >, mjp@mjp.com says...
> Possibly, but most people agree the main motivating factor for the
> "European" team is to beat the Americans. Nothing to do with owing
> allegiance to a loosely defined group of unrelated countries.
>
This is simply not true and if it were then there would not be the gulf
in psychological approaches between them.
The European team play for each other and have a very strong sense of
togetherness. You just don't realise the strength of European identity
these days. All of the team are not just European but also fellow EU
compatriots.
--
Howard
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 22:58:42
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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MichaelJP wrote:
> Possibly, but most people agree the main motivating factor for the
> "European" team is to beat the Americans. Nothing to do with owing
> allegiance to a loosely defined group of unrelated countries.
And you don't think the ROW has the same motivation? Everyone I know
wants to beat the Americans at something. ;-)
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 21:21:47
From: Craig
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> MichaelJP wrote:
>
>> Possibly, but most people agree the main motivating factor for the
>> "European" team is to beat the Americans. Nothing to do with owing
>> allegiance to a loosely defined group of unrelated countries.
>
> And you don't think the ROW has the same motivation? Everyone I know
> wants to beat the Americans at something. ;-)
>
I think you are right Colin. The motivation is not as much representing
ROW and more about beating the US!
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 22:53:16
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> There is nothing comparable for the Rest of the World.
I think you'll find the international players are actually pretty keen
on the PC. They are united by their "leftoverness".
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 20:29:06
From: Craig
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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> A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
>
> Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
> because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
> to them than the Europeans.
>
> What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
> race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
>
> Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
>
> Singh
> Scott
> Goosen
> Els
> Ogilvy
> Immelman
> Clark
> Cabrera
> M. Campbell
> Appleby
> Sabbatini
> Weir
>
> fun stuff.
>
It would be good and you could argue that the International team is the
strongest of all 3. The problem is that the Ryder Cup has so much
history and making such a radical change is a long way off. Although it
did change in the past from just GB to Europe so you never know. Dont
count on it though.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 11:59:12
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:29:06 +1000, Craig <craigvn@gmail.com > wrote:
>It would be good and you could argue that the International team is the
>strongest of all 3. The problem is that the Ryder Cup has so much
>history and making such a radical change is a long way off. Although it
>did change in the past from just GB to Europe so you never know. Dont
>count on it though.
I don't know what kind of golf the International team grew up playing.
Measuring people by how well they play Medal Play on the Tour
obviously has its limitations.
I'd like to see the cups combined. Next year it should be the
defending champion Euros vs the Internationals.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 22:55:59
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> I don't know what kind of golf the International team grew up playing.
> Measuring people by how well they play Medal Play on the Tour
> obviously has its limitations.
Australians and New Zealanders, at least, are brought up on a lot of
matchplay.
Matchplay is popular in any country where golf has a strong English
history and influence.
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 20:44:21
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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Won't happen.
The Ryder Cup is a PGA of America event.
The Presidents Cup is a PGA TOUR event.
The TOUR is not about to give up their *only* team event.
Randy
"R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net > wrote in message
news:0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82...
>A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
>
> Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
> because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
> to them than the Europeans.
>
> What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
> race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
>
> Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
>
> Singh
> Scott
> Goosen
> Els
> Ogilvy
> Immelman
> Clark
> Cabrera
> M. Campbell
> Appleby
> Sabbatini
> Weir
>
> fun stuff.
>
>
> RJ
>
>
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 21:31:57
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <nMKdnYvJI-7NVITYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com >,
"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
> Won't happen.
>
> The Ryder Cup is a PGA of America event.
>
> The Presidents Cup is a PGA TOUR event.
>
> The TOUR is not about to give up their *only* team event.
>
> Randy
>
>
> "R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82...
> >A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting suggestion.
> >
> > Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder Cup,
> > because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means less
> > to them than the Europeans.
> >
> > What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3 horse
> > race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
> >
> > Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
> >
> > Singh
> > Scott
> > Goosen
> > Els
> > Ogilvy
> > Immelman
> > Clark
> > Cabrera
> > M. Campbell
> > Appleby
> > Sabbatini
> > Weir
> >
> > fun stuff.
> >
> >
> > RJ
> >
> >
Are you sure? I thought the Ryder Cup was split between the PGA of
Europe and the PGA of America, depending on which country it was to be
held in. It would seem strange to me that the Ryder Cup, as the behest
of (British) Sam Ryder, would be the property of the PGA of America.
William Clark
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 16:10:23
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-AF8ECF.21315726092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <nMKdnYvJI-7NVITYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>> Won't happen.
>>
>> The Ryder Cup is a PGA of America event.
>>
>> The Presidents Cup is a PGA TOUR event.
>>
>> The TOUR is not about to give up their *only* team event.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> "R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82...
>> >A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting
>> >suggestion.
>> >
>> > Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder
>> > Cup,
>> > because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means
>> > less
>> > to them than the Europeans.
>> >
>> > What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3
>> > horse
>> > race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
>> >
>> > Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
>> >
>> > Singh
>> > Scott
>> > Goosen
>> > Els
>> > Ogilvy
>> > Immelman
>> > Clark
>> > Cabrera
>> > M. Campbell
>> > Appleby
>> > Sabbatini
>> > Weir
>> >
>> > fun stuff.
>> >
>> >
>> > RJ
>> >
>> >
>
> Are you sure? I thought the Ryder Cup was split between the PGA of
> Europe and the PGA of America, depending on which country it was to be
> held in. It would seem strange to me that the Ryder Cup, as the behest
> of (British) Sam Ryder, would be the property of the PGA of America.
>
> William Clark
Yes, it is a joint venture between the PGA of Europe (or whatever the
organization calls itself over there) and the PGA of America.
In any case, it is _NOT_ a PGA TOUR event. The original article concerned
the notion of dissolving the Presidents Cup and folding it into the Ryder
Cup. I stand by my assertion that such a thing won't happen, as the
Presidents Cup is a PGA TOUR event, and the PGA TOUR is not about to
dissolve its only team event.
Randy
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 16:44:50
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <B_-dnd7Qj8EwR4fYnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com >,
"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-AF8ECF.21315726092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <nMKdnYvJI-7NVITYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Won't happen.
> >>
> >> The Ryder Cup is a PGA of America event.
> >>
> >> The Presidents Cup is a PGA TOUR event.
> >>
> >> The TOUR is not about to give up their *only* team event.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>
> >> "R.J." <roleksy11@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> news:0O6Sg.35752$cz3.27215@edtnps82...
> >> >A sports show I was listening to yesterday made an interesting
> >> >suggestion.
> >> >
> >> > Some argue that the American team is a bit underwhelmed by the Ryder
> >> > Cup,
> >> > because they play the Presidents cup the alternate years, so it means
> >> > less
> >> > to them than the Europeans.
> >> >
> >> > What if they ditched the Presidents cup, and made the Ryder Cup a 3
> >> > horse
> >> > race? Americans, Europeans, and the Rest of the World.
> >> >
> >> > Imagine this as the third team had it happened this year...
> >> >
> >> > Singh
> >> > Scott
> >> > Goosen
> >> > Els
> >> > Ogilvy
> >> > Immelman
> >> > Clark
> >> > Cabrera
> >> > M. Campbell
> >> > Appleby
> >> > Sabbatini
> >> > Weir
> >> >
> >> > fun stuff.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > RJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> > Are you sure? I thought the Ryder Cup was split between the PGA of
> > Europe and the PGA of America, depending on which country it was to be
> > held in. It would seem strange to me that the Ryder Cup, as the behest
> > of (British) Sam Ryder, would be the property of the PGA of America.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Yes, it is a joint venture between the PGA of Europe (or whatever the
> organization calls itself over there) and the PGA of America.
>
> In any case, it is _NOT_ a PGA TOUR event. The original article concerned
> the notion of dissolving the Presidents Cup and folding it into the Ryder
> Cup. I stand by my assertion that such a thing won't happen, as the
> Presidents Cup is a PGA TOUR event, and the PGA TOUR is not about to
> dissolve its only team event.
>
> Randy
Yes, I think you're right about that.
WIlliam Clark
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 05:22:30
From: rich
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:nMKdnYvJI-7NVITYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Won't happen.
>
> The Ryder Cup is a PGA of America event.
>
> The Presidents Cup is a PGA TOUR event.
>
> The TOUR is not about to give up their *only* team event.
Since the Tour is made up of the players, what would prevent the Tour from
simply taking it away from the PGA by sponsoring a "new" event and not
playing in the Ryder Cup. Is it the Ryder name?
Rich
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 06:51:20
From:
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
>
> And who would they play? The Europeans would certainly refuse to join in
> this "I'm taking my ball and going home" kind of childishness. For them
> some things about the Ryder Cup are more important than just money.
>
> William Clark
William,
You need to do some research instead of spouting your usual "Europeans
are more noble than Americans" nonsense. The Europeans have less
interest in money from the Ryder Cup, Eh? The European equivalent to
PGA of America used to own the Ryder Cup on the European side lock
stock and barrel. The European PGA Tour had a meeting a few years ago
and told those guys they were taking over and reduced their share to
20% of the revenues. The European equivalent to PGA of America had no
other choice but to meekly accept the verdict. Does not sound like
people who are "less interested than the Americans" in the revenues
from the Ryder Cup!
The PGA TOUR should do the exact same thing. The PGA of America would
have no other choice but to accept the change.
Guru
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 14:33:28
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: the future of the Ryder Cup
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In article <1159537880.335265.3300@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
gururajan20815@yahoo.com wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> >
> > And who would they play? The Europeans would certainly refuse to join in
> > this "I'm taking my ball and going home" kind of childishness. For them
> > some things about the Ryder Cup are more important than just money.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> William,
>
> You need to do some research instead of spouting your usual "Europeans
> are more noble than Americans" nonsense. The Europeans have less
> interest in money from the Ryder Cup, Eh? The European equivalent to
> PGA of America used to own the Ryder Cup on the European side lock
> stock and barrel. The European PGA Tour had a meeting a few years ago
> and told those guys they were taking over and reduced their share to
> 20% of the revenues. The European equivalent to PGA of America had no
> other choice but to meekly accept the verdict. Does not sound like
> people who are "less interested than the Americans" in the revenues
> from the Ryder Cup!
>
> The PGA TOUR should do the exact same thing. The PGA of America would
> have no other choice but to accept the change.
>
> Guru
No, read on. The Europeans know that the interest that the RC develops
pays for itself many times over in enhanced tour revenues and purses.
The PGA accepted the reduced revenue - according to your twisted logic,
they should have spat the dummy and refused to take part any more. But
they didn't, did they? They get too much satisfaction out of humiliating
the US team of multimillionaires.
So the game's the thing - not the cash. My point exactly.
William Clark
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