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Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:47:25
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Subject: hitting down on the ball
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What the hell does that mean? I was shooting my usual crap game
today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted. Then on 9 I figured
out I wasnt hitting enough BEHIND the ball & getting that pop shot. I
dropped 4 balls in pretty thick rough & nailed 4 good shots in a row.
Needless to say, I think I figured out something. Also signed up for my
1st lesson next week. Tired of hacking!
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 10:14:25
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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John B. wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > dirtymm@msn.com wrote:
> > > What the hell does that mean? I was shooting my usual crap game
> > > today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted. Then on 9 I figured
> > > out I wasnt hitting enough BEHIND the ball & getting that pop shot. I
> > > dropped 4 balls in pretty thick rough & nailed 4 good shots in a row.
> > > Needless to say, I think I figured out something. Also signed up for my
> > > 1st lesson next week. Tired of hacking!
> >
> > It means that the clubhead is still moving down toward the ground when
> > you make contact. This is typical for good iron players. Some even
> > hit down with FW woods, although not as steep.
> >
> > Hitting down helps with hitting the ball BEFORE hitting the ground.
> > That's why the divot will come after the ball. This will launch the
> > ball higher because more backspin is being applied to the ball. The
> > ball will also stop quicker on the green because it has more backspin.
> > The shorter the club, the "steeper" the attack on the ball. IOW, the
> > radius of the arc is smaller with a shorter club. This means that your
> > divot will generally be deeper with a shorter club.
>
>
> this means having your hands ahead of the ball at contact, correct?
Yes. Once the clubhead passes your hands, it has to be travelling back
up.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 08:15:28
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
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> Yep. When that happens, the ball goes much farther than when the hands are
> behind the ball. There was a brief time a couple of years ago when I
> managed to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact and my 6-iron shots were
> carrying about 8 yards farther than the total carry+roll of my "hands behind
> the ball" swing. Alas, I have lapsed back into the bad technique...
How did you manage to get the hands ahead of the club? The late hit,
eh? F
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 00:28:28
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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On 7 Sep 2006 08:15:28 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>> Yep. When that happens, the ball goes much farther than when the hands are
>> behind the ball. There was a brief time a couple of years ago when I
>> managed to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact and my 6-iron shots were
>> carrying about 8 yards farther than the total carry+roll of my "hands behind
>> the ball" swing. Alas, I have lapsed back into the bad technique...
>
>How did you manage to get the hands ahead of the club? The late hit,
>eh? F
My biggest swing weakness is hitting fat - but when I am hitting well,
I can avoid hitting fat by having proper movement with my hips.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 12:24:01
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
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> On 7 Sep 2006 08:15:28 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Yep. When that happens, the ball goes much farther than when the hands
>>> are
>>> behind the ball. There was a brief time a couple of years ago when I
>>> managed to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact and my 6-iron shots
>>> were
>>> carrying about 8 yards farther than the total carry+roll of my "hands
>>> behind
>>> the ball" swing. Alas, I have lapsed back into the bad technique...
>>
>>How did you manage to get the hands ahead of the club? The late hit,
>>eh? F
>
> My biggest swing weakness is hitting fat - but when I am hitting well,
> I can avoid hitting fat by having proper movement with my hips.
It might really help you to practice hitting woods and irons from a tee for
a while. So many people seem to have the same problem about fat shots and it
affects their swings before they develop and through years later. If I could
just follow my own advice.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 01:31:17
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>
> The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
>>
>> Yep. When that happens, the ball goes much farther than when the hands
>> are
>> behind the ball. There was a brief time a couple of years ago when I
>> managed to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact and my 6-iron shots
>> were
>> carrying about 8 yards farther than the total carry+roll of my "hands
>> behind
>> the ball" swing. Alas, I have lapsed back into the bad technique...
>
> How did you manage to get the hands ahead of the club? The late hit,
> eh?
The hands start out ahead of the ball at address. It's not a real difficult
matter to reproduce this angle at impact too.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 03:06:14
From: Steve Logan
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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Try looking at the front of the golf ball when swinging so you will bottom
out the swing at the front of it.
"jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157642128.163816.140850@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep. When that happens, the ball goes much farther than when the hands
>>> are
>>> behind the ball. There was a brief time a couple of years ago when I
>>> managed to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact and my 6-iron shots
>>> were
>>> carrying about 8 yards farther than the total carry+roll of my "hands
>>> behind
>>> the ball" swing. Alas, I have lapsed back into the bad technique...
>>
>> How did you manage to get the hands ahead of the club? The late hit,
>> eh?
>
> The hands start out ahead of the ball at address. It's not a real
> difficult matter to reproduce this angle at impact too.
>
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:11:04
From: John B.
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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Larry Bud wrote:
> dirtymm@msn.com wrote:
> > What the hell does that mean? I was shooting my usual crap game
> > today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted. Then on 9 I figured
> > out I wasnt hitting enough BEHIND the ball & getting that pop shot. I
> > dropped 4 balls in pretty thick rough & nailed 4 good shots in a row.
> > Needless to say, I think I figured out something. Also signed up for my
> > 1st lesson next week. Tired of hacking!
>
> It means that the clubhead is still moving down toward the ground when
> you make contact. This is typical for good iron players. Some even
> hit down with FW woods, although not as steep.
>
> Hitting down helps with hitting the ball BEFORE hitting the ground.
> That's why the divot will come after the ball. This will launch the
> ball higher because more backspin is being applied to the ball. The
> ball will also stop quicker on the green because it has more backspin.
> The shorter the club, the "steeper" the attack on the ball. IOW, the
> radius of the arc is smaller with a shorter club. This means that your
> divot will generally be deeper with a shorter club.
this means having your hands ahead of the ball at contact, correct?
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:15:28
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> Larry Bud wrote:
>> dirtymm@msn.com wrote:
>> > What the hell does that mean? I was shooting my usual crap game
>> > today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted. Then on 9 I figured
>> > out I wasnt hitting enough BEHIND the ball & getting that pop shot. I
>> > dropped 4 balls in pretty thick rough & nailed 4 good shots in a row.
>> > Needless to say, I think I figured out something. Also signed up for my
>> > 1st lesson next week. Tired of hacking!
>>
>> It means that the clubhead is still moving down toward the ground when
>> you make contact. This is typical for good iron players. Some even
>> hit down with FW woods, although not as steep.
>>
>> Hitting down helps with hitting the ball BEFORE hitting the ground.
>> That's why the divot will come after the ball. This will launch the
>> ball higher because more backspin is being applied to the ball. The
>> ball will also stop quicker on the green because it has more backspin.
>> The shorter the club, the "steeper" the attack on the ball. IOW, the
>> radius of the arc is smaller with a shorter club. This means that your
>> divot will generally be deeper with a shorter club.
>
>
> this means having your hands ahead of the ball at contact, correct?
Yep. When that happens, the ball goes much farther than when the hands are
behind the ball. There was a brief time a couple of years ago when I
managed to get my hands ahead of the ball at impact and my 6-iron shots were
carrying about 8 yards farther than the total carry+roll of my "hands behind
the ball" swing. Alas, I have lapsed back into the bad technique...
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 05:34:12
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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dirtymm@msn.com wrote:
> What the hell does that mean? I was shooting my usual crap game
> today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted. Then on 9 I figured
> out I wasnt hitting enough BEHIND the ball & getting that pop shot. I
> dropped 4 balls in pretty thick rough & nailed 4 good shots in a row.
> Needless to say, I think I figured out something. Also signed up for my
> 1st lesson next week. Tired of hacking!
It means that the clubhead is still moving down toward the ground when
you make contact. This is typical for good iron players. Some even
hit down with FW woods, although not as steep.
Hitting down helps with hitting the ball BEFORE hitting the ground.
That's why the divot will come after the ball. This will launch the
ball higher because more backspin is being applied to the ball. The
ball will also stop quicker on the green because it has more backspin.
The shorter the club, the "steeper" the attack on the ball. IOW, the
radius of the arc is smaller with a shorter club. This means that your
divot will generally be deeper with a shorter club.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:33:55
From:
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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>What the hell does that mean?
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could mean on the downswing - pinching the iron's clubhead between the
ball and turf.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:53:57
From: gpsman
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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dirt...@msn.com wrote: <brevity snip >
> What the hell does that mean?
Googling- hitting down on the ball -produced this as the top result:
http://golf.about.com/cs/tipslessons/a/hitdowndammit.htm
There are more...
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- gpsman
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 23:57:34
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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"gpsman" <gpsman@driversmail.com > wrote in message
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> dirt...@msn.com wrote: <brevity snip>
>> What the hell does that mean?
>
> Googling- hitting down on the ball -produced this as the top result:
> http://golf.about.com/cs/tipslessons/a/hitdowndammit.htm
>
> There are more...
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>
> - gpsman
This article is bs, no offense. The ball does not get trapped. When you hit
a golf ball the club face always makes contact with the lower half of the
ball (in a good shot). It's a common misconception. I've been wrong so many
times before on what I thought was a sure thing, though. This, I'm sure of,
though. The loft of the club slide under the ball somewhat. That doesn't
mean you should hit up. The club itself goes downward but the clubface
catches the ball on an upward angle. There is no trapping though.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:28:00
From: Bucky
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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dirtymm@msn.com wrote:
> I was shooting my usual crap game
> today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted.
Whenever you have a crappy outing, just watch this video. You'll feel
much better immediately. =)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PuZPIVpxNtE
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:51:21
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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"Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com > wrote in message
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> dirtymm@msn.com wrote:
>> I was shooting my usual crap game
>> today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted.
>
> Whenever you have a crappy outing, just watch this video. You'll feel
> much better immediately. =)
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=PuZPIVpxNtE
Looks like Charles is doing the same thing I do, a lot ... trying to repeat
something that worked one day but just isn't there any more. "I remember
what I was thinking after I hit the good shot, but I can't remember what I
was thinking before and during." : -) I used to live near Charles and saw
him on him on the driving range. I think maybe he's setting people up with
his public swing, maybe.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 01:30:37
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: hitting down on the ball
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<dirtymm@msn.com > wrote in message
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> What the hell does that mean?
It means the clubhead has not yet reached the bottom of its arc when it
makes contact with the ball. Contrary to what many people think, the main
benefit of this is that it gives you the most margin for error when hitting
balls off the turf.
> I was shooting my usual crap game
> today... topping out, slicing, getting disgusted. Then on 9 I figured
> out I wasnt hitting enough BEHIND the ball & getting that pop shot. I
> dropped 4 balls in pretty thick rough & nailed 4 good shots in a row.
> Needless to say, I think I figured out something.
Sounds like you just got lucky because there was plenty of fluff behind the
ball that wasn't dirt (loose grass). Not a good idea to ever hit behind the
ball (except from a bunker, etc.)
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