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Date: 26 Oct 2006 22:04:15
From: Leroy
Subject: golfer's elbow

Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
outcome?

Regards, Andrew

Date: 27 Oct 2006 15:21:59
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

I had a relatively mild case for a while (actually tennis elbow, since
mine was on the outside). I attributed it to hitting too many balls of
of mats. I switched to graphite shafts in my irons and limited my
practice time on mats for a few weeks . Also liberal treatments of I&I
(ice and ibuprofen) to ease the inflamation. And a few stretching
exercises I found on the net ... I find one where you flex the wrist by
pushing your hand up and then down especially helpful.

Mine is still tender occasionally ... usually a couple of days of rest
and some stretching will calm it down. Yours sounds like a worse case
unfortunately ... hope you find some relief.

Rob

Leroy wrote:
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>
> Regards, Andrew
>

Date: 27 Oct 2006 07:27:59
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Date: 27 Oct 2006 11:21:04
From: Plat
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Leroy wrote:
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>
> Regards, Andrew
>

Leroy:
Where are your symptoms? Inside of the elbow (on the pinky side) or
outside (thumb side)?

Colloquially, tennis elbow (lateral epicondylitis) is the outside,
golfer's elbow (medial epicondylitis) is the inside. We see both in golfers.

Symptoms in your elbow can be produced locally or can be from radiating
pain, like from something going on in your neck or even shoulder. Also,
particularly with medial epicondylitis, your ulnar nerve runs very
superficially through the notch in your elbow- any stretching or
traumatic injury to the nerve can produce symptoms that mimic golfer's
elbow.

So if you had a good physio, they would have first and foremost told you
to rest so as not to perpetuate the injury. When I say rest, I mean
usually a minimum of 8 weeks, no golf, and nothing that irritates
things. During that time, you would have soft tissue work, modalities,
and exercises, and maybe wear a forearm strap or wrist brace to help
take pressure off the area. The physio should also have tried to do
differential testing, including the neck and shoulder, among other
things. They should also look at your work ergonomics, sleeping
positions, both of which can aggravate your symptoms. Sometimes, it
takes up to 3 months to resolve this problem, but avoiding any offending
activities is key (FYI, I personally had a medial epicondylitis, and it
took a solid 8 weeks of rest and PT to resolve). My opinion- surgery
should be your last resort. We don't see that type of surgery much
because most people respond to conservative treatment.

So, if you have done all of the above (including ruling out nerve
injury, or symptoms originating elsewhere), then you could look at
surgery. But last resort, IMHO.

Regards,
Plat, MS PT

Date: 26 Oct 2006 22:54:41
From:
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Date: 27 Oct 2006 06:15:11
From: Jackson
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Well---nothing unusual about this condition. It's a form of tennis elbow and
the only thing that I have found to help is the wrap that goes around the
forearm muscle (used for tennis elbow). The muscle that effects the elbow
area is the one on top of the forearm up near the joint. Good luck!!
<double_entendre@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161928481.611624.118840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Leroy wrote:
>> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
>> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
>> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
>> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
>> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
>> outcome?
>>
>> Regards, Andrew
>
> Interesting question. What are the symptoms? My right elbow has been
> being tender of late, but I figured it was just from looking at too
> many pics of Michelle Wie.
>
> Kidding, kidding...jeez...
>
> Anyway, I really did kind of attribute it to either golf or commuting
> on my motorcycle lately (which puts some weight on my wrists and elbows
> when I don't have my posture right).
>
> I'm still ignoring it, but figure I'll have to get it checked out
> sooner or later.
>
> Rancho Bob
> Huntington Beach, CA
>

Date: 27 Oct 2006 07:05:46
From: sfb
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Leroy was not specific about where the elbow hurts, but typically tennis
elbow is on the outside of the arm and golfer's elbow on the inside. If the
forearm wrap which effectively shortens the muscle helps, then I offer you
have a form of tennis elbow. There is no wrap that shortens the muscles
inside the elbow.

"Jackson" <hackman55@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:XJ6dnX1A26xhQdzYnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Well---nothing unusual about this condition. It's a form of tennis elbow
> and the only thing that I have found to help is the wrap that goes around
> the forearm muscle (used for tennis elbow). The muscle that effects the
> elbow area is the one on top of the forearm up near the joint. Good luck!!
> <double_entendre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161928481.611624.118840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Leroy wrote:
>>> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
>>> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
>>> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
>>> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
>>> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
>>> outcome?
>>>
>>> Regards, Andrew
>>
>> Interesting question. What are the symptoms? My right elbow has been
>> being tender of late, but I figured it was just from looking at too
>> many pics of Michelle Wie.
>>
>> Kidding, kidding...jeez...
>>
>> Anyway, I really did kind of attribute it to either golf or commuting
>> on my motorcycle lately (which puts some weight on my wrists and elbows
>> when I don't have my posture right).
>>
>> I'm still ignoring it, but figure I'll have to get it checked out
>> sooner or later.
>>
>> Rancho Bob
>> Huntington Beach, CA
>>
>
>

Date: 27 Oct 2006 12:02:33
From: Plat
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

sfb wrote:
> Leroy was not specific about where the elbow hurts, but typically tennis
> elbow is on the outside of the arm and golfer's elbow on the inside. If the
> forearm wrap which effectively shortens the muscle helps, then I offer you
> have a form of tennis elbow. There is no wrap that shortens the muscles
> inside the elbow.

Actually, there is! Many companies have straps with pads that can be
placed either medially or laterally on the forearm. We have a bunch of
'em in our clinic- manufactured by chopat, donjoy, and many others. They
work for some folks, but not for others.

Also, for a medial pathology it is sometimes helpful to put the patient
in a wrist brace to prevent them from using their flexors.

>
> "Jackson" <hackman55@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XJ6dnX1A26xhQdzYnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Well---nothing unusual about this condition. It's a form of tennis elbow
>>and the only thing that I have found to help is the wrap that goes around
>>the forearm muscle (used for tennis elbow). The muscle that effects the
>>elbow area is the one on top of the forearm up near the joint. Good luck!!
>><double_entendre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1161928481.611624.118840@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Leroy wrote:
>>>
>>>>Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
>>>>did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
>>>>do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
>>>>physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
>>>>In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
>>>>outcome?
>>>>
>>>>Regards, Andrew
>>>
>>>Interesting question. What are the symptoms? My right elbow has been
>>>being tender of late, but I figured it was just from looking at too
>>>many pics of Michelle Wie.
>>>
>>>Kidding, kidding...jeez...
>>>
>>>Anyway, I really did kind of attribute it to either golf or commuting
>>>on my motorcycle lately (which puts some weight on my wrists and elbows
>>>when I don't have my posture right).
>>>
>>>I'm still ignoring it, but figure I'll have to get it checked out
>>>sooner or later.
>>>
>>>Rancho Bob
>>>Huntington Beach, CA
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Date: 27 Oct 2006 19:10:04
From: dsc
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

double_entendre@hotmail.com wrote:
> Leroy wrote:
> > Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> > did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> > do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> > physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> > In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> > outcome?
> >
> > Regards, Andrew
>
> Interesting question. What are the symptoms? My right elbow has been
> being tender of late, but I figured it was just from looking at too
> many pics of Michelle Wie.

I had it once and it was a pain in the... well elbow. It is the same as
tennis elbow except one is on the inside part of the elbow and the
other the outside. I believe golf inside, tennis outside, but I could
have it backards. I just don't remember. I got mine from using a nail
gun putting shingles on a roof. The best thing you can do is rest it. I
believe the doc also gave me some prescription nsaids and said to use
ice. I don't remember exaclty how long it was before it went a away,
but it did completely and I've not had another case of it since.

> Anyway, I really did kind of attribute it to either golf or commuting
> on my motorcycle lately (which puts some weight on my wrists and elbows
> when I don't have my posture right).

I ride dirt bikes a lot and that doesn't seem to cause it for me. We
ride some really rough terrain and I really take a beating. We usually
ride on Sundays and there have been many Mondays and Tuesdays when I
was stiff and sore as hell, but no elbow problems. I don't think the
average street bike would even come close, but maye the lay down
position of a crotch rocket would.

Date: 27 Oct 2006 12:35:23
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

On 27, 12:04 am, "Leroy" <LeroyL...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>

Everytime I've had this problem, the only way I could get it to go away
was by quitting golf until it stopped hurting, and that could take a
couple months.

A few other suggestions:

- Don't practice on mats.

- Technique matters. A good iron shot requires taking a divot, but if
you are
flipping and the ground is hard, it will sting when you hit the ground.
However,
if you have your hands ahead of the ball at impact and therefore
dragging
the clubhead, it won't jar as much, and may actually feel good even on
hard ground.
So, it is a good idea to take some lessons if your golf swing causes
you pain.

- If this is a chronic problem consider graphite, or at least inserts.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:19:09
From: SJ
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161977723.004993.134420@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

On 27, 12:04 am, "Leroy" <LeroyL...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>

Everytime I've had this problem, the only way I could get it to go away
was by quitting golf until it stopped hurting, and that could take a
couple months.

A few other suggestions:

- Don't practice on mats.

- Technique matters. A good iron shot requires taking a divot, but if
you are
flipping and the ground is hard, it will sting when you hit the ground.
However,
if you have your hands ahead of the ball at impact and therefore
dragging
the clubhead, it won't jar as much, and may actually feel good even on
hard ground.
So, it is a good idea to take some lessons if your golf swing causes
you pain.

- If this is a chronic problem consider graphite, or at least inserts.

I'm a medical provider and just today, gave a guy a cortisone injection for
tennis elbow, or as plat said, Lateral epicondylitis. A true "golfers" elbow
does effect the inside or medial part of the elbow and is historically
harder to treat as there is more tissue, nerves, and blood vessels
surrounding the affected bursa sacs. Really it's a bursitis more than
anything that is severely inflamed that causes the pain. It usually comes
from overuse of the extremity. I've had tennis elbow "lateral epicodylitis"
on both arms. First it was my right arm about 6 years ago. After a few
cortisone injections gave me only temporary relief, I did 4 weeks of
Physical therapy. It still hurt for a while but is stopped soon after the
therapy and hasn't flared since. Now being a right handed golfer, it is
usually much more painful and debilatating to your swing to have a Left
"tennis elbow". Mine started 3 years ago and once again I did the
cortisone, really without much relief at all, then I did about 2 weeks of
therapy. It just wasn't doing any better so I had surgury. It had started
hurting in April and I really wanted to get some golfing in that year, so I
figured I better have the surgury. It's a relative easy surgury and my
ortho surgeon said it took him about 10 minutes to do. He basically had to
split the muscle insertion at the elbow, take out the effected bursa sac,
and clean out some scar tissue that builds up. It was sore for about a
month, and I could take a full power swing in about 2 months after surgury.
It still "flares" sometimes but I just rub it briskly and stretch my
forearms out before I play and it's really a non- issue. In my experience,
people let it go too long before they seek treatment and so much scar tissue
builds up that really nothing but surgury can help. Another thing that
helped my elbows and my forearm strengh, was a gyroscopic exerciser, their
amazing and really build up your forearm strength, but I wouldn't recommend
them if you have active tennis or golfers elbows. Patients I see with
Medial epicondylitis "golfers elbow" I promply refer to orthopedics. The
ratio of tennis elbow suffers vs golfers elbows I see is about 100 to one.
Tennis elbow being fairly common, true golfers elbow being more rare. I
know how bad this condition can be and as a ex-president once said "I feel
your pain". Here is a link to one of those exercisers.
http://www.creaproj.com/prod03.html This is not spam and I'm not promoting
this product as numerous companies make them, this one was the first on
Google, so please, no flames.
Scott

Date: 28 Oct 2006 10:26:33
From: Ron P
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161977723.004993.134420@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> On 27, 12:04 am, "Leroy" <LeroyL...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
>> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
>> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
>> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
>> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
>> outcome?

I got a sponge and exercised my fingers very gently with it holding my arm
in various positions from fully straight to completely bent. I did this
every night for several months.

When swinging the golf club, I made sure that I was holding the club in my
fingers and not squeezing the crap out of the grip. That relaxed my whole
arm and most jarring from hitting hard surfaces of hidden objects was
absorbed by the fingers.

Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:54:15
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

In article <1161925454.941897.178600@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >
"Leroy" <LeroyLowe@gmail.com > wrote:

I've had it and a buddy had it. He went the surgery route, was off for 6
weeks in a cast and could play again in about 2 months. The condition
came back shortly afterwards. His dor told him at the time, about 8
years ago, that surgery was only about 30% effective over the long run. I
got lucky. I had it and it hurt every time I swung or picked up my bag.
Was playing one morning with a 3rd that we picked up and was walking
along a fence row. I was pointing out some buffalo on the other side when
my elbow touched the electric fence and I got a real jolt seeing as how
the grass was still damp. Played out the hole and picked up my bag to go
to the next tee and discovered that I had no pain swinging, carrying the
bag and have not had it since. moral........who knows. Sometimes we get
lucky. Good luck with yours.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 04:48:32
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Leroy wrote:
> Thanks for your advice, Iv'e had medial epicondylitis (golfer's elbow)
> for over a year now and am at my wits end. Have followed the sage
> advice of the medical professionals and much of it is similar to what
> has been mentioned by the group. It certainly appears to be a lot
> slower at fixing than tennis elbow or at least current treatment
> appears more aligned to treating tennis elbow due, I guess to it's
> increased prevalence. Anyway thanks and I actually already have one of
> those gyro excersize machines (mine glows in the dark).
>
> Surgery sounds like an option, but will persevere for another few
> months with rehab.

Use the baoding balls nightly, mine was gone in less than
two months....it does heal slowly, though. Overuse syndromes
like golfer's and tennis elbow are biomechanical problems, and
neither PTs nor orthos get trained in biomechanics. My suspicion
is that the baoding ball exercises strengthen the forearm muscles
in a way that stabilizes the elbow joint and gets rid of the
susceptibility
to golfer's elbow...then it just heals at the rate tendonitis
heals, which is dern slow.

Google for "Chinese medicine balls"

They only cost $10 US, and you've likely spent 10 times that
already with ineffective treatments, waddya got to lose? Pain?

-PA

Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:08:59
From: Leroy
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Thanks for the advice tiggerspalewife, but we dont have any buffalo to
point at in New Zealand, I suppose I could point at some sheep and grab
the wire, but not sure if it will work. Will give it a shot though.

Regards
Andrew,
Auckland, New Zealand
tiggerspalewife wrote:

> In article <1161925454.941897.178600@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> "Leroy" <LeroyLowe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've had it and a buddy had it. He went the surgery route, was off for 6
> weeks in a cast and could play again in about 2 months. The condition
> came back shortly afterwards. His dor told him at the time, about 8
> years ago, that surgery was only about 30% effective over the long run. I
> got lucky. I had it and it hurt every time I swung or picked up my bag.
> Was playing one morning with a 3rd that we picked up and was walking
> along a fence row. I was pointing out some buffalo on the other side when
> my elbow touched the electric fence and I got a real jolt seeing as how
> the grass was still damp. Played out the hole and picked up my bag to go
> to the next tee and discovered that I had no pain swinging, carrying the
> bag and have not had it since. moral........who knows. Sometimes we get
> lucky. Good luck with yours.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:10:58
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

In article <1162019339.701629.303960@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >
"Leroy" <LeroyLowe@gmail.com > wrote:

:-) I was about to try accupuncture because I think if I would have tried
to medicate it away, I'd be without a liver about now. It's never come
back and for that, I very appreciative daily.
PS. We almost didn't have any buffalo either.
Good luck with it.

Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:59:36
From: Leroy
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Thanks Rancho Bob.
Golfer's elbow affects the inside of the elbow on the bony point of
tendon insertion. Tennis elbow is on the outside of elbow ( tennis
players get it when putting top spin on their shots, or so Im told).

Your problem may well be golfer's elbow, probably not caused by
motorcycling but mine sure hurts after cycling due to putting weight on
the wrist, so yeah I would get onto it sooner rather than later, as
mate you don't want this thing to go chronic on you.

Regards
Andrew
Auckland, New Zealand

double_entendre@hotmail.com wrote:

> Leroy wrote:
> > Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> > did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> > do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> > physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> > In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> > outcome?
> >
> > Regards, Andrew
>
> Interesting question. What are the symptoms? My right elbow has been
> being tender of late, but I figured it was just from looking at too
> many pics of Michelle Wie.
>
> Kidding, kidding...jeez...
>
> Anyway, I really did kind of attribute it to either golf or commuting
> on my motorcycle lately (which puts some weight on my wrists and elbows
> when I don't have my posture right).
>
> I'm still ignoring it, but figure I'll have to get it checked out
> sooner or later.
>
> Rancho Bob
> Huntington Beach, CA

Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:46:25
From: Leroy
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Thanks for your advice, Iv'e had medial epicondylitis (golfer's elbow)
for over a year now and am at my wits end. Have followed the sage
advice of the medical professionals and much of it is similar to what
has been mentioned by the group. It certainly appears to be a lot
slower at fixing than tennis elbow or at least current treatment
appears more aligned to treating tennis elbow due, I guess to it's
increased prevalence. Anyway thanks and I actually already have one of
those gyro excersize machines (mine glows in the dark).

Surgery sounds like an option, but will persevere for another few
months with rehab.

Regards
Leroy
Auckland, New Zealand

SJ wrote:

> "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161977723.004993.134420@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> On 27, 12:04 am, "Leroy" <LeroyL...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> > did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> > do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> > physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> > In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> > outcome?
> >
>
> Everytime I've had this problem, the only way I could get it to go away
> was by quitting golf until it stopped hurting, and that could take a
> couple months.
>
> A few other suggestions:
>
> - Don't practice on mats.
>
> - Technique matters. A good iron shot requires taking a divot, but if
> you are
> flipping and the ground is hard, it will sting when you hit the ground.
> However,
> if you have your hands ahead of the ball at impact and therefore
> dragging
> the clubhead, it won't jar as much, and may actually feel good even on
> hard ground.
> So, it is a good idea to take some lessons if your golf swing causes
> you pain.
>
> - If this is a chronic problem consider graphite, or at least inserts.
>
> I'm a medical provider and just today, gave a guy a cortisone injection for
> tennis elbow, or as plat said, Lateral epicondylitis. A true "golfers" elbow
> does effect the inside or medial part of the elbow and is historically
> harder to treat as there is more tissue, nerves, and blood vessels
> surrounding the affected bursa sacs. Really it's a bursitis more than
> anything that is severely inflamed that causes the pain. It usually comes
> from overuse of the extremity. I've had tennis elbow "lateral epicodylitis"
> on both arms. First it was my right arm about 6 years ago. After a few
> cortisone injections gave me only temporary relief, I did 4 weeks of
> Physical therapy. It still hurt for a while but is stopped soon after the
> therapy and hasn't flared since. Now being a right handed golfer, it is
> usually much more painful and debilatating to your swing to have a Left
> "tennis elbow". Mine started 3 years ago and once again I did the
> cortisone, really without much relief at all, then I did about 2 weeks of
> therapy. It just wasn't doing any better so I had surgury. It had started
> hurting in April and I really wanted to get some golfing in that year, so I
> figured I better have the surgury. It's a relative easy surgury and my
> ortho surgeon said it took him about 10 minutes to do. He basically had to
> split the muscle insertion at the elbow, take out the effected bursa sac,
> and clean out some scar tissue that builds up. It was sore for about a
> month, and I could take a full power swing in about 2 months after surgury.
> It still "flares" sometimes but I just rub it briskly and stretch my
> forearms out before I play and it's really a non- issue. In my experience,
> people let it go too long before they seek treatment and so much scar tissue
> builds up that really nothing but surgury can help. Another thing that
> helped my elbows and my forearm strengh, was a gyroscopic exerciser, their
> amazing and really build up your forearm strength, but I wouldn't recommend
> them if you have active tennis or golfers elbows. Patients I see with
> Medial epicondylitis "golfers elbow" I promply refer to orthopedics. The
> ratio of tennis elbow suffers vs golfers elbows I see is about 100 to one.
> Tennis elbow being fairly common, true golfers elbow being more rare. I
> know how bad this condition can be and as a ex-president once said "I feel
> your pain". Here is a link to one of those exercisers.
> http://www.creaproj.com/prod03.html This is not spam and I'm not promoting
> this product as numerous companies make them, this one was the first on
> Google, so please, no flames.
> Scott

Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:34:25
From: Plat
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Leroy wrote:
> Thanks for your advice, Iv'e had medial epicondylitis (golfer's elbow)

>
> Regards
> Leroy
> Auckland, New Zealand
>
> SJ wrote:
>
>

Damn, Leroy- a kiwi? You know, there are some of the best-trained
physio's in the world in New Zealand. You are probably in very competent
hands. Just make sure they and your other medical folks have ruled out
all differential diagnoses before you go for the surgery. I've seen a
lot of chronic medial epicondylitis' that are true, but there are those
strange cases that turn out to be something else. I've seen medial elbow
pain caused from a C6-7 disk herniation, brachial plexus injury, ulnar
nerve injury, degenerative bone spurs at the elbow, and interestingly
enough, referred pain from a shoulder adhesive capsulitis (frozen
shoulder).

Good luck!

Great post from Scott- nice to have another medical provider in here.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:49:07
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

"Leroy" <LeroyLowe@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161925454.941897.178600@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>
> Regards, Andrew
>

Quick question. Steel or Grahite shafts?

Graphite are supposed to absorb a lot more of the impact. If you have steel
shafts, have them switched to graphite.

--Tom

Date: 29 Oct 2006 00:50:02
From: SJ
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:C7R0h.547$Xp2.107@newsfe10.lga...

"Leroy" <LeroyLowe@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161925454.941897.178600@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>
> Regards, Andrew
>

Quick question. Steel or Grahite shafts?

Graphite are supposed to absorb a lot more of the impact. If you have steel
shafts, have them switched to graphite.

--Tom

Tom, I really don't see how switching to the graphite might help much. The
injury is due basically to overuse of the effected muscles and inflammation.
Absorption of impact really would have no bearing in my opinion. The act of
the golf swing itself causes the "rubbing" of the bursa and tendons. But,
certainly having someone try it can't hurt.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 09:00:33
From: sfb
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

The steel shaft vibration may exacerbate the injury. Borrow or rent graphite
shafts and see if they help.

"SJ" <skjoy@adelphia.net > wrote in message
news:6NKdnd7pPbVOr9nYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:C7R0h.547$Xp2.107@newsfe10.lga...
>
> "Leroy" <LeroyLowe@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161925454.941897.178600@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
>> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
>> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
>> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
>> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
>> outcome?
>>
>> Regards, Andrew
>>
>
> Quick question. Steel or Grahite shafts?
>
> Graphite are supposed to absorb a lot more of the impact. If you have
> steel
> shafts, have them switched to graphite.
>
> --Tom
>
> Tom, I really don't see how switching to the graphite might help much.
> The
> injury is due basically to overuse of the effected muscles and
> inflammation.
> Absorption of impact really would have no bearing in my opinion. The act
> of
> the golf swing itself causes the "rubbing" of the bursa and tendons. But,
> certainly having someone try it can't hurt.
>
>

Date: 29 Oct 2006 20:49:37
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

"SJ" <skjoy@adelphia.net > wrote in message
news:6NKdnd7pPbVOr9nYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> Tom, I really don't see how switching to the graphite might help much.
> The
> injury is due basically to overuse of the effected muscles and
> inflammation.
> Absorption of impact really would have no bearing in my opinion. The act
> of
> the golf swing itself causes the "rubbing" of the bursa and tendons. But,
> certainly having someone try it can't hurt.
>
>

My friend at the golf shop said that one of the shaft companies designed a
steel shaft that dampens the impact vibrations for one of the pros with golf
elbow... but my friend had a set of graphite shafts from an old set of
Titleist clubs in the basement and put them in my 804 irons this spring when
I was having some golf elbow problems (which I think started from the snow
blower over the winter). Once I switched to the graphite shafts the elbow
started getting better, plus I also wore one of the arm bands for a while.
Don't know if it's related or not... but to me... I figure you've got
nothing to lose.

--Tom

Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:59:10
From: WW
Subject: golfer's elbow

lot's of ice & advil. Icing down after a round really helps

Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:55:28
From: WW
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

> Interesting question. What are the symptoms? My right elbow has been
> being tender of late, but I figured it was just from looking at too
> many pics of Michelle Wie

looking at too many pics of Michelle Wie could hurt your elbow. My
elbow was killing me too. Hard to narrow it down sometimes. I thought
it was just golf........ but figured out my new girl likes couch sex
too much. I was basically doing push ups on her. Seems elbow hurt more
after her than golf. Advil & a different position worked for me.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:51:52
From: Cal Golfer
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Five months of taking it easy and not playing very much golf.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 12:36:00
From: mark_nh
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Date: 30 Oct 2006 19:22:36
From: SJ
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

"mark_nh" <mg.designer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162240560.883978.162360@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Leroy wrote:
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>
> Regards, Andrew

I had the same thing. 6 months, zero improvement. I found this program
to heal (heal, no magic pills or braces) this problem. I have no
affiliation with this web site or this gentleman. I receommended this
same info to a relative and a friend, both overcame tennis/golfers
elbow just as I did. Good luck.

http://www.webtennis.net/tennis-injuries.htm

Then why don't you just tell him the information and save him the $37 to
download it?

Date: 31 Oct 2006 17:17:39
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Friend told me he has less problems with elbow problems after getting
graphite shafted irons. More give when you mis-hit the ball?

"Leroy" <LeroyLowe@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161925454.941897.178600@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> outcome?
>
> Regards, Andrew
>

Date: 31 Oct 2006 07:19:58
From: mark_nh
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

SJ wrote:
> "mark_nh" <mg.designer@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162240560.883978.162360@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Leroy wrote:
> > Has anyone here sufrered from this chronic condition. If so how long
> > did it take to come right?, what sort of activities were you unable to
> > do long-term? and what treatment worked? To date Iv'e had
> > physiotherapy, acupuncture, and cortisone injections, with no success.
> > In addition has anyone had surgery for the condition and what was the
> > outcome?
> >
> > Regards, Andrew
>
> I had the same thing. 6 months, zero improvement. I found this program
> to heal (heal, no magic pills or braces) this problem. I have no
> affiliation with this web site or this gentleman. I receommended this
> same info to a relative and a friend, both overcame tennis/golfers
> elbow just as I did. Good luck.
>
> http://www.webtennis.net/tennis-injuries.htm
>
> Then why don't you just tell him the information and save him the $37 to
> download it?

Its a lengthy program that requires much description so as to be
performed properly. Also, there will be many questions I may not be
able to answer. The individual who devised this program was available
to all my questions via email and phone, I do not provide this service.

Perhaps I neglected to provide this information with my initial post. I
am sorry about that. Thanks for for your kind reply just the same.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:45:22
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: golfer's elbow

Doesn't anyone suffer in silence anymore?

Does baby need a bottle?