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Date: 20 Sep 2006 21:08:31
From: John Lloyd
Subject: getting driver with or w/out offset
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I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
thanks... john
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 21:41:02
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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John Lloyd wrote:
> I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
> with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
> distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
> 35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
> and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
>
> thanks... john
Some years ago I bought a couple rescue woods which have a
boatload of offset. I was an OTT slicer at the time, and I was
very happy with the clubs, because everything would fly much
straighter.
Then I took some lessons and got rid of the OTT, and now
those clubs are hook machines for me - to the point where
I cant use them.
BTW, fixing the slice is one of the easier swing changes you
can make. Well worth the cost of a few lessons.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 07:33:15
From: John Lloyd
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> John Lloyd wrote:
>> I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
>> with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
>> distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
>> 35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
>> and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
>>
>> thanks... john
>
> Some years ago I bought a couple rescue woods which have a
> boatload of offset. I was an OTT slicer at the time, and I was
> very happy with the clubs, because everything would fly much
> straighter.
>
> Then I took some lessons and got rid of the OTT, and now
> those clubs are hook machines for me - to the point where
> I cant use them.
>
> BTW, fixing the slice is one of the easier swing changes you
> can make. Well worth the cost of a few lessons.
>
Sorry for my ignorance, but what's OTT? I guess I should try and demo
an offset, but I'll need to drive quite a ways for a place has demos
available. My fear is what you note, that my occasional fade will turn
into a hook. I'm still using my Dunlop Fuzzy Zoeller I got with my first
club set from Kmart some years back and am pretty happy with it, but
it's showing a lot of wear and I'd like to try a bigger club head.
I should add that I rarely slice. When I wind up in the rough it's
usually the result of a fade. When I get a chance to play a lot (rare)
I'll have stretches where I'm hitting my drives with a slight draw. I
took one lesson when I started, to get the grip and basic swing down,
and that's it. I enjoy figuring out what corrections are needed on my own.
Thanks to everyone for the suggestions..
-john
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 20:22:40
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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fiveiron@webtv.net wrote:
> >Sorry for my ignorance,
> >but what's OTT?
> ====
> Over the top, commonly referred to as - casting.
Wrong, as usual. Casting and OTT are completely
different beasts.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 17:41:10
From:
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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>Sorry for my ignorance,
>but what's OTT?
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Over the top, commonly referred to as - casting.
To correct this flaw.
At the VERY beginning of your downswing,
JUST drop the hands straight down - and strike the ball solid - while
keeping your eyes on the ball through - impact.
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 20:04:54
From:
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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John, I was at the range today testing an offset with a regular driver.
They were both used Cobra SZ. I have a 14 handicap and play about 2
rounds a week. Out of 20 hits each, the offset sliced about 5 times
while the non-offset sliced 10-12 times.
The carry was about the same, so an offset helps me. I know it's a
swing problem but I rarely slice with my irons and fairway woods. At
most, they are a fade. But the distance of a driver with a slice gets
me in trouble. Better players don't need the offset but under
pressure, etc, we tend to tighten up and the offset helps.
If you can, demo some drivers and don't rely on just one session. Try
to compare the drivers on at least 2 sessions and see what works for
you.
Good luck....
Brad
John Lloyd wrote:
> I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
> with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
> distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
> 35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
> and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
>
> thanks... john
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 17:32:24
From:
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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Everyone that asks the question you have - should use the off-set head.
your slicing can be caused by mis-alignment, a poor grip.
AND, by not keeping your eyes on the ball through impact.
=3D=3D=3D
>John Lloyd wrote:
>I'm in the market for a new driver and am
>leaning toward getting one with an offset. Is there any
>downside to using an offset, like loss of distance, or
>encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
>35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's
>probably 80% slice/fade and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing
>the fades will help me out.
>thanks... john
>m h o
> v =83e
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> d w n =A0w / t h e =A0$ c a l p e r - u $ e =A0l e $ $ =A0g a $
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 22:48:13
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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"John Lloyd" <jplloyd2@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:FICdne-m5reLe4zYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
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> I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
> with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
> distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
> 35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
> and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
>
> thanks... john
Why not spend $45 and get a lesson instead????
--Tom
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 02:23:49
From: Frank Ketchum
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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"John Lloyd" <jplloyd2@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:FICdne-m5reLe4zYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
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> I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
> with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
> distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
> 35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
> and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
>
>
If you want a club that only flies true when you swing it wrong, go for it.
I would not even consider it. Rather than that, why not tee off with a 3 or
even 5 wood? You may be surprised how well you can score by just keeping
the ball in play.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 08:30:30
From: Alan Illeman
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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"Frank Ketchum" <fketchum@earthlinknospaam.net > wrote in message news:VImQg.14378$bM.13443@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> "John Lloyd" <jplloyd2@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:FICdne-m5reLe4zYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
> > with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
> > distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
> > 35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
> > and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
> >
> >
>
> If you want a club that only flies true when you swing it wrong, go for it.
> I would not even consider it. Rather than that, why not tee off with a 3 or
> even 5 wood? You may be surprised how well you can score by just keeping
> the ball in play.
I'll second that!
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 22:52:42
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:23:49 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<fketchum@earthlinknospaam.net > wrote:
>If you want a club that only flies true when you swing it wrong, go for it.
>I would not even consider it. Rather than that, why not tee off with a 3 or
>even 5 wood? You may be surprised how well you can score by just keeping
>the ball in play.
When slicing was my big problem, I could slice my other woods just as
much as my driver. My ball just didn't go as far out of bounds,
which wasn't a big concern to me.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 05:22:10
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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John Lloyd wrote:
> I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
> with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
> distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
> 35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
> and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
Try them out to find out what works for you if you don't plan on taking
lessons, but I would *HIGHLY* suggest a high lofted driver, like 12 or
13 degrees.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 04:50:38
From: cja
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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John Lloyd wrote:
> Sorry for my ignorance, but what's OTT?
>
Over The Top. The classic move of a slicer, with an outside-in swing
path starting from the top of the swing. Causes may be some or all of:
inside takeaway forcing a correction on the downswing, flying right
elbow, cupped left wrist at the top of the backswing. (For lefties,
switch 'left' and 'right'.)
- cja
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 21:36:38
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:08:31 -0400, John Lloyd <jplloyd2@comcast.net >
wrote:
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>I'm in the market for a new driver and am leaning toward getting one
>with an offset. Is there any downside to using an offset, like loss of
>distance, or encouraging a bad swing? I'm guessing I hit the fairway
>35-40% of the time, and the times I'm off it's probably 80% slice/fade
>and 20% hook/draw, so I think reducing the fades will help me out.
>
>thanks... john
Why not buy a driver with a draw bias?
Regards
Daveb
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 18:01:49
From: carl llewellyn
Subject: Re: getting driver with or w/out offset
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I would say that you get a couple of lessons. The first one being a
lesson by yourself and then maybe a group lesson. Hopefully you can
face someone in the group lesson. That way you can watch what is being
taught.
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