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Date: 24 Sep 2006 21:53:47
From: Patty
Subject: best Rider Cup player
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Tough one but has to be Paul Casey... Over three days he was so
accurate...
Incredible.. Made Furyk look like a Amateur On Sunday.
David Howell's Putting was amazing on Sunday.. He knocked them in from
everywhere.
Garcia's Team play and Moral was the Best any player could give. US
take note.
But Casey win's the vote for me.. Class.!
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:29:05
From: Cassie
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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Patty wrote:
> Tough one but has to be Paul Casey... Over three days he was so
> accurate...
>
> Incredible.. Made Furyk look like a Amateur On Sunday.
>
> David Howell's Putting was amazing on Sunday.. He knocked them in from
> everywhere.
>
> Garcia's Team play and Moral was the Best any player could give. US
> take note.
>
> But Casey win's the vote for me.. Class.!
anytime someone gets an ace it puts him at the head of the class.......
I thought Stewart Cink looked amazing today as well.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 15:41:10
From: DanL
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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> Incredible.. Made Furyk look like a Amateur On Sunday.
>
Pure rubbish. Casey had 8 birdies yet he only won 2 & 1, Furyk must have
been playing pretty well to take it to 17.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 07:12:23
From: NickH
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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Patty wrote:
> Tough one but has to be Paul Casey... Over three days he was so
> accurate...
>
It certainly is a tough call.
It's hard to perform when you're expexted to blitz the opposition and
all your
teamates are being trounced.
I, for one, thought that Tiger did very well.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 15:04:44
From: Neil Wallace
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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Patty wrote:
> Tough one but has to be Paul Casey... Over three days he was so
> accurate...
>
> Incredible.. Made Furyk look like a Amateur On Sunday.
>
> David Howell's Putting was amazing on Sunday.. He knocked them in from
> everywhere.
>
> Garcia's Team play and Moral was the Best any player could give. US
> take note.
>
> But Casey win's the vote for me.. Class.!
<Pedantry >
The best _player_ at the Ryder Cup was Tiger Woods.
</pedantry >
As for the best _performance_ at the Ryder Cup... you make some good points,
however Furyk was reported as 6 under par on the back nine yesterday.... and
he only played 7 of those holes!
I don't think he looked in any way an "amateur"!
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Neil
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 12:05:34
From: David
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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On 24 Sep 2006 21:53:47 -0700, "Patty" <simplycisco@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>Tough one but has to be Paul Casey... Over three days he was so
>accurate...
>
>Incredible.. Made Furyk look like a Amateur On Sunday.
>
>David Howell's Putting was amazing on Sunday.. He knocked them in from
>everywhere.
>
>Garcia's Team play and Moral was the Best any player could give. US
>take note.
>
>But Casey win's the vote for me.. Class.!
I gave this some thought, as well. If they were giving an MVP award
to the european team, who should get it? Well, my vote was for Garcia,
until he lost to Cink--who played way over his head on the front nine
knocking down one pin after another. Casey and Furyk put on a great
match. Furyk fires off 3 birdies and an eagle on the back nine and
cannot get the match back to even, Casey was on fire. Sentimental
favorite would be Clark.
After giving this some thought, I decided that the entire team should
be able to accept an "MVP" trophy. All of the players contributed
their part to the rout and all of them played amazing golf.
David
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 12:21:52
From: Bedders
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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x-no-archive: yes
they all were great. heart goes to Darren Clarke, just for being there.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 12:59:06
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:21:52 +0100, "Bedders"
<Bedders@dosentwantsapm.com > wrote:
>they all were great. heart goes to Darren Clarke, just for being there.
Of course his record was impressive as well.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 15:16:21
From: Pipmick
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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I for one am delighted at the Europeans setting a new record of 3
straight wins on the bounce for the Ryder Cup.
This year's event didn't excite me as much as previous Ryder Cups as it
was never really close or in doubt in my opinion, but it was good to
see some great golf by the European players, especially Paul Casey's
hole in one - what a moment and the best way to close out a game of
matchplay!
Phil
www.golf-teaching-aids-and-tools.com
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:29:00
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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Undoubtedly someone will disagree, just because we all want to be, well
ourselves, but Darrin Clarke is someone I'd like to have around the
neighborhood. He's one of the few men that seems like a really nice guy and
doesn't get my homophobe complex going. That's probably more than anyone
wants or needs to know ... he just seems like a decent guy who can show some
emotion without looking like a weakling, not that anyone else does. I hope
this isn't so convoluted that it isn't understandable. Maybe I'm rambling
because we are going through some of the same as he and Heather.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 12:59:28
From: Martin
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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I agree ..... I think Darrin Clarke's unfortunate loss led to an amazing
show of sportsmanship from both sides. The Europeans wanted to win for him
and the American support for him put them right up there with the greatest
sportsmen of all time. IMHO Darrin's strength of character, genuine
sportsmanship and friendship beat all else in this year's Ryder Cup
The golf was pretty damn good too :-)
Martin
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Undoubtedly someone will disagree, just because we all want to be, well
ourselves, but Darrin Clarke is someone I'd like to have around the
neighborhood. He's one of the few men that seems like a really nice guy and
doesn't get my homophobe complex going. That's probably more than anyone
wants or needs to know ... he just seems like a decent guy who can show some
emotion without looking like a weakling, not that anyone else does. I hope
this isn't so convoluted that it isn't understandable. Maybe I'm rambling
because we are going through some of the same as he and Heather.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 04:22:56
From: Kev Nurse
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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Malcolm Wadsworth wrote:
> Its to soon yet to envisage them changing the format.
Absolutely. It wouldn't surprise me if the American team regains the
cup in 2 years time, anyway. Due to varying factors such as course
design, weather and the nature of the golf swing itself, the players'
abilities vary almost daily. The best golfer in the World suffers in
this respect like everyone else, but his variation is quite small and
it enables him to be competitive every time he plays, but persistent
winning is not guarranteed. Any of the other top 50 players in the
World at his temporary zenith of skill will beat the best player at 98%
of his best form. So, within this concept, unless the skill gap is so
persistently large as it was when USA played only GB&I, there will
always be to-ing and fro-ing of the cup. At the moment its with the
Euros, buts lets not get carried away with any belief that European
golfers will always be unbeatable by the USA only.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 14:45:49
From: Neil Wallace
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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Kev Nurse wrote:
> Malcolm Wadsworth wrote:
>
>> Its to soon yet to envisage them changing the format.
>
> Absolutely. It wouldn't surprise me if the American team regains the
> cup in 2 years time, anyway. Due to varying factors such as course
> design, weather and the nature of the golf swing itself, the players'
> abilities vary almost daily. The best golfer in the World suffers in
> this respect like everyone else, but his variation is quite small and
> it enables him to be competitive every time he plays, but persistent
> winning is not guarranteed. Any of the other top 50 players in the
> World at his temporary zenith of skill will beat the best player at
> 98% of his best form. So, within this concept, unless the skill gap
> is so persistently large as it was when USA played only GB&I, there
> will always be to-ing and fro-ing of the cup. At the moment its with
> the Euros, buts lets not get carried away with any belief that
> European golfers will always be unbeatable by the USA only.
I agree that the format is still OK.
However, Tom Watson's comments are interesting about the way the US team is
selected.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/golf/5383382.stm
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 15:29:20
From: Crispin Roche
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:45:49 GMT, "Neil Wallace"
<rowing.golfer@*NOPSAM*virgin.net > wrote:
>Kev Nurse wrote:
>> Malcolm Wadsworth wrote:
>>
>>> Its to soon yet to envisage them changing the format.
>>
>> Absolutely. It wouldn't surprise me if the American team regains the
>> cup in 2 years time, anyway. Due to varying factors such as course
>> design, weather and the nature of the golf swing itself, the players'
>> abilities vary almost daily. The best golfer in the World suffers in
>> this respect like everyone else, but his variation is quite small and
>> it enables him to be competitive every time he plays, but persistent
>> winning is not guarranteed. Any of the other top 50 players in the
>> World at his temporary zenith of skill will beat the best player at
>> 98% of his best form. So, within this concept, unless the skill gap
>> is so persistently large as it was when USA played only GB&I, there
>> will always be to-ing and fro-ing of the cup. At the moment its with
>> the Euros, buts lets not get carried away with any belief that
>> European golfers will always be unbeatable by the USA only.
>
>I agree that the format is still OK.
>
>However, Tom Watson's comments are interesting about the way the US team is
>selected.
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/golf/5383382.stm
>
I fear this is another case of clutching at straws to explain away the
US Teams poor performance. The top 5 in the US points list (Woods,
Mickelson, Furyk, Campbell and Toms) I think were cinches for the US
team whatever points system had been used. After them the next 15
players were:
Chris DiMarco
Vaughn Taylor
J.J. Henry
Zach Johnson
Brett Wetterich
John Rollins
Stewart Cink
Jerry Kelly
Lucas Glover
Davis Love III
Fred Couples
Tim Herron
Tom Pernice, Jr.
Tom Lehman
Scott Verplank
Do you think a different set of 7 players from this group would have
significantly changed the final result? I don't.
At the end of the article Watson graciously concedes that the US were
beaten, both at the K club and in 2004, by "not just a superior team
but a much superior team".
Crispin Roche
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 02:12:26
From: JPW
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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Pipmick wrote:
> I for one am delighted at the Europeans setting a new record of 3
> straight wins on the bounce for the Ryder Cup.
Been away for a while but watched it whilst away. I too was delighted
with the win BUT......
remember when GB and Ireland were getting beaten every two years?. The
interest in the event was diminishing rapidly and it was in danger of
disappearing. So in came the rest of Europe. Can you imagine the press
and public over the water getting excited about watching a well beaten
side every two years. It is not in the American make-up, nor should it
be.
So I just wonder whether we might see an AmericaS side being the new
format and allow some of the Canadian , Argentinian and other golfers
to bolster the side. But I don't suppose that the US public will go
along with a new multinational side.
Just thoughts.
JPW
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 13:09:01
From: Crispin Roche
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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On 30 Sep 2006 02:12:26 -0700, "JPW" <pat.jpwil@googlemail.com > wrote:
>
>Pipmick wrote:
>> I for one am delighted at the Europeans setting a new record of 3
>> straight wins on the bounce for the Ryder Cup.
>
>Been away for a while but watched it whilst away. I too was delighted
>with the win BUT......
>remember when GB and Ireland were getting beaten every two years?. The
>interest in the event was diminishing rapidly and it was in danger of
>disappearing. So in came the rest of Europe. Can you imagine the press
>and public over the water getting excited about watching a well beaten
>side every two years. It is not in the American make-up, nor should it
>be.
>
>So I just wonder whether we might see an AmericaS side being the new
>format and allow some of the Canadian , Argentinian and other golfers
>to bolster the side.
This possibility depends on the US players and whether they are
prepared to step up to the plate.
As it stands at the moment European golfers outnumber US players 8 to
5 in the world rankings top 20 but are outnumbered by 5 in the world
top 50. So either we (the European team) have a small group of
exceptionally talented players, a proposition not borne out by either
the number or quality of their stroke play tournament wins, or the
American players are missing something in their makeup. Personally I
think its the Woods factor - whenever he plays I suspect everybody
else starts thinking the second is good enough. Second maybe good
enough in a 4 round stroke play event but second in a match means
you've lost.
Crispin Roche
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 10:18:15
From: Malcolm Wadsworth
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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"JPW" <pat.jpwil@googlemail.com > wrote in message
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>
> Pipmick wrote:
>> I for one am delighted at the Europeans setting a new record of 3
>> straight wins on the bounce for the Ryder Cup.
>
> Been away for a while but watched it whilst away. I too was delighted
> with the win BUT......
> remember when GB and Ireland were getting beaten every two years?. The
> interest in the event was diminishing rapidly and it was in danger of
> disappearing. So in came the rest of Europe. Can you imagine the press
> and public over the water getting excited about watching a well beaten
> side every two years. It is not in the American make-up, nor should it
> be.
>
> So I just wonder whether we might see an AmericaS side being the new
> format and allow some of the Canadian , Argentinian and other golfers
> to bolster the side. But I don't suppose that the US public will go
> along with a new multinational side.
>
> Just thoughts.
>
> JPW
>
Its to soon yet to envisage them changing the format.
The Boat Race has happily accepted long runs of Oxford and Cambridge wins,
but then there is no money involved.
An alternative might be to revert back to GB and Ireland.
Analysing this years results (actual win 18 1/2 - 9 1/2 ), if all those in
the Europe team from outside GB and Ireland had lost their matches and,
where a GB&I player partnered a mainland European, their matches had been
halved, I think the result would have been 16-12 win for GB&I
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 11:53:37
From: marush
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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"JPW" <pat.jpwil@googlemail.com > wrote in message
news:1159607546.352132.114440@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
> Pipmick wrote:
>> I for one am delighted at the Europeans setting a new record of 3
>> straight wins on the bounce for the Ryder Cup.
>
> Been away for a while but watched it whilst away. I too was delighted
> with the win BUT......
> remember when GB and Ireland were getting beaten every two years?.
> The interest in the event was diminishing rapidly and it was in
> danger of disappearing. So in came the rest of Europe. Can you
> imagine the press and public over the water getting excited about
> watching a well beaten side every two years. It is not in the
> American make-up, nor should it be.
>
> So I just wonder whether we might see an AmericaS side being the new
> format and allow some of the Canadian , Argentinian and other golfers
> to bolster the side. But I don't suppose that the US public will go
> along with a new multinational side.
>
An alternative approach might be to link the Ryder Cup to the Presidents Cup
and make it a three way competition between Europe, US and ROW with the
holders of the Ryder Cup being challenged by the winners of the Presidents
Cup.
Watching US play ROW for the right to challenge Europe would add some spice
to the Presidents Cup and the possibility of a Ryder Cup between Europe and
ROW is intriguing.
KenH
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 04:41:28
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: best Rider Cup player
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"marush" <noone@nowhere.com > wrote in message
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> "JPW" <pat.jpwil@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1159607546.352132.114440@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
>> Pipmick wrote:
>>> I for one am delighted at the Europeans setting a new record of 3
>>> straight wins on the bounce for the Ryder Cup.
>>
>> Been away for a while but watched it whilst away. I too was delighted
>> with the win BUT......
>> remember when GB and Ireland were getting beaten every two years?.
>> The interest in the event was diminishing rapidly and it was in
>> danger of disappearing. So in came the rest of Europe. Can you
>> imagine the press and public over the water getting excited about
>> watching a well beaten side every two years. It is not in the
>> American make-up, nor should it be.
>>
>> So I just wonder whether we might see an AmericaS side being the new
>> format and allow some of the Canadian , Argentinian and other golfers
>> to bolster the side. But I don't suppose that the US public will go
>> along with a new multinational side.
>>
> An alternative approach might be to link the Ryder Cup to the Presidents
> Cup and make it a three way competition between Europe, US and ROW with
> the holders of the Ryder Cup being challenged by the winners of the
> Presidents Cup.
> Watching US play ROW for the right to challenge Europe would add some
> spice to the Presidents Cup and the possibility of a Ryder Cup between
> Europe and ROW is intriguing.
> KenH
>
> --
> Ken Hoyle
> www.kenhoyle.co.uk
>
>
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That's a great idea. Call it "The Glory Cup".
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