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Date: 19 Sep 2006 12:01:26
From: Frankenshank
Subject: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
swing,
My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
hands.
I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
paying attention
to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
soooooo SWEET.
Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
square the face
I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
single biggest improvement
in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
FrankenShank
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 19:16:05
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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Congrats ... a great feeling when something really clicks and you can
see/feel the improvement.
Just a word of warning, to quote the great Harvey Penick "When I tell
you to take an aspirin, don't swallow the whole bottle". Golf is
definitely a case where "more" is not necessarily "better". Any action
that can be done to improve the swing can be over-done and ruin it.
Rob
Frankenshank wrote:
> Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
> swing,
> My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
> hands.
>
> I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
> paying attention
> to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
> the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
>
> To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
> wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
> reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
> soooooo SWEET.
>
> Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
> square the face
> I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
> joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
>
> Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
>
> I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
> single biggest improvement
> in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
>
> FrankenShank
>
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 12:15:06
From: gp
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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Frankenshank,
How long did it take you to acheive and ingrain this new movement? I'm
still fighting the blocks with my woods and irons and occasional shank,
since I've been schooled on "passive hands" me-self. See thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/browse_frm/thread/773b2747df26e86b/91a93ec2a92b2c9f?lnk=st&q=the+hands+role&rnum=1&hl=en#91a93ec2a92b2c9f
Frankenshank wrote:
> Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
> swing,
> My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
> hands.
>
> I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
> paying attention
> to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
> the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
>
> To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
> wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
> reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
> soooooo SWEET.
>
> Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
> square the face
> I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
> joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
>
> Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
>
> I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
> single biggest improvement
> in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
>
> FrankenShank
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:43:32
From: greenkeeper
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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In message <1158769124.726820.290930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
larryrsf <larry@delmardata.com > writes
>
>Frankenshank wrote:
>> Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
>> swing,
>> My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
>> hands.
>>
>> I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
>> paying attention
>> to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
>> the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
>>
>> To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
>> wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
>> reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
>> soooooo SWEET.
>>
>> Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
>> square the face
>> I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
>> joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
>>
>> Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
>>
>> I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
>> single biggest improvement
>> in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
>>
>> FrankenShank
>
>You just described the typical discovery of another "WOOD," "works only
>one day." The use of hands is considered taboo for a very good reason,
>it requires "timing" and of course it cannot repeat under pressure.
>It will fail when you need it most--in a tournament. I hope every
>opponent is trying to manipulate the club with his hands!
>
>Gene Littler "Gene the Machine" probably hasn't missed a fairway in 30
>years-- and says to all who ask, "the hands have no role in the golf
>swing." You could do worse than taking what he suggests to heart. To
>keep it in perspective, if you paid a teaching pro $50 for a golf
>lesson, Mr. Littler's lesson would be worth $1000--IF he would ever
>give one.
>
>Larry
>
74.2% fairways hit in 2001.
Fairway? What fairway?
http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/64551905/medium
--
alan
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:18:44
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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Frankenshank wrote:
> Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
> swing,
> My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
> hands.
>
> I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
> paying attention
> to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
> the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
>
> To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
> wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
> reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
> soooooo SWEET.
>
> Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
> square the face
> I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
> joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
>
> Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
>
> I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
> single biggest improvement
> in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
>
> FrankenShank
You just described the typical discovery of another "WOOD," "works only
one day." The use of hands is considered taboo for a very good reason,
it requires "timing" and of course it cannot repeat under pressure.
It will fail when you need it most--in a tournament. I hope every
opponent is trying to manipulate the club with his hands!
Gene Littler "Gene the Machine" probably hasn't missed a fairway in 30
years-- and says to all who ask, "the hands have no role in the golf
swing." You could do worse than taking what he suggests to heart. To
keep it in perspective, if you paid a teaching pro $50 for a golf
lesson, Mr. Littler's lesson would be worth $1000--IF he would ever
give one.
Larry
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:26:05
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1158769124.726820.290930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Frankenshank wrote:
>> Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
>> swing,
>> My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
>> hands.
>>
>> I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
>> paying attention
>> to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
>> the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
>>
>> To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
>> wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
>> reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
>> soooooo SWEET.
>>
>> Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
>> square the face
>> I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
>> joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
>>
>> Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
>>
>> I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
>> single biggest improvement
>> in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
>>
>> FrankenShank
>
> You just described the typical discovery of another "WOOD," "works only
> one day." The use of hands is considered taboo for a very good reason,
> it requires "timing" and of course it cannot repeat under pressure.
> It will fail when you need it most--in a tournament. I hope every
> opponent is trying to manipulate the club with his hands!
>
> Gene Littler "Gene the Machine" probably hasn't missed a fairway in 30
> years-- and says to all who ask, "the hands have no role in the golf
> swing." You could do worse than taking what he suggests to heart. To
> keep it in perspective, if you paid a teaching pro $50 for a golf
> lesson, Mr. Littler's lesson would be worth $1000--IF he would ever
> give one.
>
> Larry
>
What Frankenshank describes is exactly what --
* Johnny Miller advocates and teaches. In fact is was a featured cover story
for a national golf mag.
* What the Golfing Machine describes as part of power accumulator #4
* helps maintain a flat left wrist to eliminate deceleration and loss of
lag.
What Frankenshank describes as a 'wrist roll' is a forearm roll, not a hand
manipulation. Since swingers rotate the forearm 45* clockwise on the
backswing, it's a return of the clubface back toward square.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 19:37:14
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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In article <1158769124.726820.290930@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> Frankenshank wrote:
> > Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
> > swing,
> > My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
> > hands.
> >
> > I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
> > paying attention
> > to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
> > the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
> >
> > To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
> > wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
> > reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
> > soooooo SWEET.
> >
> > Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
> > square the face
> > I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
> > joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
> >
> > Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
> >
> > I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
> > single biggest improvement
> > in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
> >
> > FrankenShank
>
> You just described the typical discovery of another "WOOD," "works only
> one day." The use of hands is considered taboo for a very good reason,
> it requires "timing" and of course it cannot repeat under pressure.
> It will fail when you need it most--in a tournament. I hope every
> opponent is trying to manipulate the club with his hands!
>
> Gene Littler "Gene the Machine" probably hasn't missed a fairway in 30
> years-- and says to all who ask, "the hands have no role in the golf
> swing." You could do worse than taking what he suggests to heart. To
> keep it in perspective, if you paid a teaching pro $50 for a golf
> lesson, Mr. Littler's lesson would be worth $1000--IF he would ever
> give one.
>
> Larry
Funny. You were extolling the virtues of using your hands just a couple
of months ago...
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 06:18:51
From: Frankenshank
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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Rob Davis wrote:
Just a word of warning, to quote the great Harvey Penick "When I tell
> you to take an aspirin, don't swallow the whole bottle". Golf is
> definitely a case where "more" is not necessarily "better". Any action
> that can be done to improve the swing can be over-done and ruin it.
Excellent point... thanks for the reminder
FrankenShank
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 19:33:29
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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> Ridiculous. Try swinging a club, or writing your name, without your
> hands. Your hands are your connection to the club. How can they not
> have a role in the swing?
My baseball coach taught us that the hands just held the bat... they
were passive. A passive role is still a role...
I think there are at least a couple ways to swing a club. One is a
little handsy and I think requires very good timing of a purposeful
hands release. I think people that play this way are often subject to
really bad days when their hand timing is a little off. I think I
played that way for years. The other way is a body release with
quiet/passive hands. I beleive if you can develope this type of swing
it can prove to be a lot more consistent as it doesn't rely on split
second timing of small muscle parts like the hands/wrists. I've been
ttrying to develop this type of swing for the last couple of years...
but it's hard to break old habits.
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 10:59:13
From: pete z
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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larryrsf wrote:
> Frankenshank wrote:
> > Strange... all these years of learning the "NO HAND ACTION EVER!"
> > swing,
> > My swing has finally started to click after of all things... using the
> > hands.
> >
> > I'm not advocating a "handsy" swing by any means... BUT now I am
> > paying attention
> > to my hands (Back of Left hand especially) and I feel like they were
> > the biggest untapped resource in my swing.
> >
> > To be specific, when I make an effort to roll the outer (pinkie side)
> > wrist bone counterclockwise (or underneath as it feels) when the hands
> > reach the ball (from my vantage point) the contact just feels
> > soooooo SWEET.
> >
> > Im working with my pro on getting my path "in-sqaure-in" so that when I
> > square the face
> > I keep getting that gorgeous little draw that just brings me tears of
> > joy (I can feel the impact sensation now!)
> >
> > Oddly, the whole swing now feels like a lot less work and strain.
> >
> > I'm still a long way from perfect, but this one thing has made the
> > single biggest improvement
> > in distance AND direction that I've ever experienced.
> >
> > FrankenShank
>
> You just described the typical discovery of another "WOOD," "works only
> one day." The use of hands is considered taboo for a very good reason,
> it requires "timing" and of course it cannot repeat under pressure.
> It will fail when you need it most--in a tournament. I hope every
> opponent is trying to manipulate the club with his hands!
>
> Gene Littler "Gene the Machine" probably hasn't missed a fairway in 30
> years-- and says to all who ask, "the hands have no role in the golf
> swing." You could do worse than taking what he suggests to heart. To
> keep it in perspective, if you paid a teaching pro $50 for a golf
> lesson, Mr. Littler's lesson would be worth $1000--IF he would ever
> give one.
>
> Larry
Ridiculous. Try swinging a club, or writing your name, without your
hands. Your hands are your connection to the club. How can they not
have a role in the swing?
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 18:06:32
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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Ernie wrote:
> In article <1158884255.934897.14010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>
> > dsc wrote:
> > > > Ridiculous. Try swinging a club, or writing your name, without your
> > > > hands. Your hands are your connection to the club. How can they not
> > > > have a role in the swing?
> > >
> > > My baseball coach taught us that the hands just held the bat... they
> > > were passive. A passive role is still a role...
> > >
> > > I think there are at least a couple ways to swing a club. One is a
> > > little handsy and I think requires very good timing of a purposeful
> > > hands release. I think people that play this way are often subject to
> > > really bad days when their hand timing is a little off. I think I
> > > played that way for years. The other way is a body release with
> > > quiet/passive hands. I beleive if you can develope this type of swing
> > > it can prove to be a lot more consistent as it doesn't rely on split
> > > second timing of small muscle parts like the hands/wrists. I've been
> > > ttrying to develop this type of swing for the last couple of years...
> > > but it's hard to break old habits.
> >
> > And I know that since 95% of amateurs hit the ball off their back foot,
> > decelerating. So all of that stuff is like embellishing horse manure
> > with whipped cream. The underlying swing is fundamentally flawed--
> > When they don't shift forward, they MUST swing their hands "out and
> > around" their stuck back hip-- and then to hit it straight MUST use
> > hand manipulatiion. They MUST flip the clubhead to align it before
> > impact.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> If they're back hip is "stuck" wouldn't it be stuck rotated *away* from
> the ball? Wouldn't that be easier to come at the ball from the inside?
>
> >
> > That is not what Gene Littler was talking about--he assumed the golfer
> > was on correctly shifting to his his front foot before his
> > downswing--and then the arms are being flung by the turning torso-- and
> > the arms just fling the club. But none of that can make sense to you
> > if you're still on your back foot.
> >
> > First learn to swing correctly, then a whole new world will open--and
> > it will have nothing to do with rolling the wrists or hand
> > manipulation.
>
For the sane reader's information, the hips move laterally forward--
shifting the weight forward--and thus tilting the torso away from the
target. That provides room for the back elbow to come in against the
side-- NOW the turn forward can begin and the dominant arm can push
through as Hogan described--Like throwing a sidearm peg to first base.
But MOST of you can't do it-- only a tiny percentage can. You swing
forward while still on your back foot, you can't move your hips toward
the target laterally first. Your clubhead is decelerating at impact.
When (and If) you ever get it, you will not need to post here. Your
game will go down to scratch and you'll find this stuff boring to talk
about.
Larry
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 18:26:40
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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In article <1158887192.206517.101670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> Ernie wrote:
> > In article <1158884255.934897.14010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
> > "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> > > dsc wrote:
> > > > > Ridiculous. Try swinging a club, or writing your name, without your
> > > > > hands. Your hands are your connection to the club. How can they not
> > > > > have a role in the swing?
> > > >
> > > > My baseball coach taught us that the hands just held the bat... they
> > > > were passive. A passive role is still a role...
> > > >
> > > > I think there are at least a couple ways to swing a club. One is a
> > > > little handsy and I think requires very good timing of a purposeful
> > > > hands release. I think people that play this way are often subject to
> > > > really bad days when their hand timing is a little off. I think I
> > > > played that way for years. The other way is a body release with
> > > > quiet/passive hands. I beleive if you can develope this type of swing
> > > > it can prove to be a lot more consistent as it doesn't rely on split
> > > > second timing of small muscle parts like the hands/wrists. I've been
> > > > ttrying to develop this type of swing for the last couple of years...
> > > > but it's hard to break old habits.
> > >
> > > And I know that since 95% of amateurs hit the ball off their back foot,
> > > decelerating. So all of that stuff is like embellishing horse manure
> > > with whipped cream. The underlying swing is fundamentally flawed--
> > > When they don't shift forward, they MUST swing their hands "out and
> > > around" their stuck back hip-- and then to hit it straight MUST use
> > > hand manipulatiion. They MUST flip the clubhead to align it before
> > > impact.
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > If they're back hip is "stuck" wouldn't it be stuck rotated *away* from
> > the ball? Wouldn't that be easier to come at the ball from the inside?
> >
> > >
> > > That is not what Gene Littler was talking about--he assumed the golfer
> > > was on correctly shifting to his his front foot before his
> > > downswing--and then the arms are being flung by the turning torso-- and
> > > the arms just fling the club. But none of that can make sense to you
> > > if you're still on your back foot.
> > >
> > > First learn to swing correctly, then a whole new world will open--and
> > > it will have nothing to do with rolling the wrists or hand
> > > manipulation.
> >
> For the sane reader's information, the hips move laterally forward--
> shifting the weight forward--and thus tilting the torso away from the
> target. That provides room for the back elbow to come in against the
> side-- NOW the turn forward can begin and the dominant arm can push
> through as Hogan described--Like throwing a sidearm peg to first base.
Why would the arm be prevented from coming into the side if you fail to
transfer your weight? I can easily post you a video showing that you can
do it.
>
> But MOST of you can't do it-- only a tiny percentage can. You swing
> forward while still on your back foot, you can't move your hips toward
> the target laterally first. Your clubhead is decelerating at impact.
I don't speak for "most". I speak for *myself*. And for myself, I can't
see wasting much time on the swing advice of a man who claims that each
new idea that he encounters is *the secret* to swinging well, yet whose
swing still resembles someone whacking at the grass with a garden
implement.
>
>
> When (and If) you ever get it, you will not need to post here. Your
> game will go down to scratch and you'll find this stuff boring to talk
> about.
>
> Larry
Sorry, sonny. I already swing the club better than you do. I have other
things that are holding me back from scoring lower ("Stupid brain!"),
but it's not lack of understanding of the golf swing.
Fail to make an adequate transition to the left and the usual misses are
a *block* to the right or a hook, depending upon whether or not the
individual golfer squares the face to the swing path (block) or target
line (hook).
Slices due to lower body are caused when the golfer makes a transition
but moves *too* far laterally.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 17:17:36
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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dsc wrote:
> > Ridiculous. Try swinging a club, or writing your name, without your
> > hands. Your hands are your connection to the club. How can they not
> > have a role in the swing?
>
> My baseball coach taught us that the hands just held the bat... they
> were passive. A passive role is still a role...
>
> I think there are at least a couple ways to swing a club. One is a
> little handsy and I think requires very good timing of a purposeful
> hands release. I think people that play this way are often subject to
> really bad days when their hand timing is a little off. I think I
> played that way for years. The other way is a body release with
> quiet/passive hands. I beleive if you can develope this type of swing
> it can prove to be a lot more consistent as it doesn't rely on split
> second timing of small muscle parts like the hands/wrists. I've been
> ttrying to develop this type of swing for the last couple of years...
> but it's hard to break old habits.
And I know that since 95% of amateurs hit the ball off their back foot,
decelerating. So all of that stuff is like embellishing horse manure
with whipped cream. The underlying swing is fundamentally flawed--
When they don't shift forward, they MUST swing their hands "out and
around" their stuck back hip-- and then to hit it straight MUST use
hand manipulatiion. They MUST flip the clubhead to align it before
impact.
That is not what Gene Littler was talking about--he assumed the golfer
was on correctly shifting to his his front foot before his
downswing--and then the arms are being flung by the turning torso-- and
the arms just fling the club. But none of that can make sense to you
if you're still on your back foot.
First learn to swing correctly, then a whole new world will open--and
it will have nothing to do with rolling the wrists or hand
manipulation.
Larry
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 00:51:16
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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On 21 Sep 2006 17:17:36 -0700, "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>And I know that since 95% of amateurs hit the ball off their back foot,
>decelerating.
Is this avid golfers or everybody who has ever played the game? Who
took this statistic?
I don't see nearly that high percentage in the 20+ handicap flight at
my men's club, but I don't claim that this is representative.
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 00:22:00
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: Wrist/Forearm action... I finally have a golf swing!
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In article <1158884255.934897.14010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com >,
"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> dsc wrote:
> > > Ridiculous. Try swinging a club, or writing your name, without your
> > > hands. Your hands are your connection to the club. How can they not
> > > have a role in the swing?
> >
> > My baseball coach taught us that the hands just held the bat... they
> > were passive. A passive role is still a role...
> >
> > I think there are at least a couple ways to swing a club. One is a
> > little handsy and I think requires very good timing of a purposeful
> > hands release. I think people that play this way are often subject to
> > really bad days when their hand timing is a little off. I think I
> > played that way for years. The other way is a body release with
> > quiet/passive hands. I beleive if you can develope this type of swing
> > it can prove to be a lot more consistent as it doesn't rely on split
> > second timing of small muscle parts like the hands/wrists. I've been
> > ttrying to develop this type of swing for the last couple of years...
> > but it's hard to break old habits.
>
> And I know that since 95% of amateurs hit the ball off their back foot,
> decelerating. So all of that stuff is like embellishing horse manure
> with whipped cream. The underlying swing is fundamentally flawed--
> When they don't shift forward, they MUST swing their hands "out and
> around" their stuck back hip-- and then to hit it straight MUST use
> hand manipulatiion. They MUST flip the clubhead to align it before
> impact.
Hmmm...
If they're back hip is "stuck" wouldn't it be stuck rotated *away* from
the ball? Wouldn't that be easier to come at the ball from the inside?
>
> That is not what Gene Littler was talking about--he assumed the golfer
> was on correctly shifting to his his front foot before his
> downswing--and then the arms are being flung by the turning torso-- and
> the arms just fling the club. But none of that can make sense to you
> if you're still on your back foot.
>
> First learn to swing correctly, then a whole new world will open--and
> it will have nothing to do with rolling the wrists or hand
> manipulation.
Right. Use a Whippy...
...or a Swing Jacket...
...or was it a Swingsetter?
And make sure to "turn in a barrel"...
...no, no, never shift your weight...
...or, go at the ball agressively with your hands...
...or don't swing back any further than Allen Doyle: the gold standard
in golf swings...
LOL
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