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Date: 26 Aug 2006 12:50:24
From: olushola
Subject: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Tigeris a good golfer, but he lacks a lot of common sense.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501184.html

Associated Press
Saturday, August 26, 2006; Page E05

AKRON, Ohio, Aug. 25 -- Tiger Woods said he would like to see testing on the PGA Tour for performance-enhancing
drugs as soon as possible to make sure golf remains clean.

"I don't know when we could get that implemented," Woods said. "Tomorrow would be fine with me."

Woods did not say he thought anyone was using steroids, but said it could be a problem in the future.

"I think we should be proactive instead of reactive," he said. "I just think we should be ahead of it and keep our
sport as pure as can be. This is a great sport, and it's always been clean."

Wood's comments came one day after PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem said he saw no need for drug testing in golf
without evidence that any players are using steroids.

Woods compared the situation to the PGA Tour testing thin-faced drivers that exceeded regulations for the
trampoline effect, known as the coefficient of restitution (COR). He suggested in 2003 that some players were using
hot drivers. By the following year, tour officials had a tool that measured COR, although drivers were not tested
unless another player asked.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 10:08:40
From: Big Z
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Fairway wrote:
> multi wrote:
> > What is it about his position on drug testing that you think is
> > nonsense? Would you prefer that the PGA waits until they are forced
> > to do it like baseball did, and have a bunch of all-time records that
> > smell like old cheese?
>
> I fully agree. Keep golf clean. What about beta-blockers? F

I think that's already out of the bag; various players have already
acknowledged using these to aid in their putting ... I guess the fact
that the players in question were journeyman and it didn't exactly help
in other phases of the game; what about lasting down the stretch of a
long day ...

why stop there though; next you'll be hearing about players wanting to
see Tiger's driver face being tested for chapstick on the face ... I've
heard that's one of the oldest tricks in the book used by hustlers to
get a straight spinless drive when under pressure ... and I noticed
that Tiger seems to always be sticking up his lips if not his driver
face when he's going down the stretch of a major and has a big drive
coming up ... or what's to stop an unscrupulous caddie from sticking up
the face before he hands his player the club ... LOL.

the funniest thing along those lines was another jealous player who
accused Phil of having illegal grooves; after Phil's club passed the
"groove test" and the accusing player missed the cut, Phil wrote a
sweet note and taped it to the other player's locker: "Dear XXXX,
thanks for your concern about my equipment specs; good luck next year
in 'Q' school, Phil."

Date: 26 Aug 2006 15:53:44
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:50:24 GMT, "olushola"
<olushola@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:

>Tigeris a good golfer, but he lacks a lot of common sense.
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501184.html
>
>Associated Press
>Saturday, August 26, 2006; Page E05
>
>
>AKRON, Ohio, Aug. 25 -- Tiger Woods said he would like to see testing on the PGA Tour for performance-enhancing
>drugs as soon as possible to make sure golf remains clean.
>
>"I don't know when we could get that implemented," Woods said. "Tomorrow would be fine with me."
>
>Woods did not say he thought anyone was using steroids, but said it could be a problem in the future.
>
>"I think we should be proactive instead of reactive," he said. "I just think we should be ahead of it and keep our
>sport as pure as can be. This is a great sport, and it's always been clean."
>
>Wood's comments came one day after PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem said he saw no need for drug testing in golf
>without evidence that any players are using steroids.
>
>Woods compared the situation to the PGA Tour testing thin-faced drivers that exceeded regulations for the
>trampoline effect, known as the coefficient of restitution (COR). He suggested in 2003 that some players were using
>hot drivers. By the following year, tour officials had a tool that measured COR, although drivers were not tested
>unless another player asked.
>
>

Fine with me but it has to include booze and anyone convicted of a DUI
is off the tour forever.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 12:28:15
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Exceeding speed limits is in violation of the law and breakers should be
punished to the full extent of the law.

Driver while impaired(alcohol, illegal drugs, prescription drugs, etc.) is
in violation of the law and breakers should be punished to the full extent
of the law.

Alcohol consumption is currently legal.

Alcoholism is a disease.

Rehab for those afflicted with the disease can be quite effective when the
affected party is motivated such as a tour professional or other
professionals. When motivated, the rates of recidivism for alcoholics is
very low. Rehab/treatment works.

Otto

"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:8jr0f259aee3ic10bbed9f8697nhoje731@4ax.com...

> Fine with me but it has to include booze and anyone convicted of a DUI
> is off the tour forever.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 13:50:34
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:28:15 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote:

>Alcohol consumption is currently legal.

That makes a big difference. (Although I'm Libertarian enough to
wish quite a few recreational drugs would be legal).

>Alcoholism is a disease.

Does that matter? I don't think so.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 11:45:38
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

It does if your choices are:

Throw the human being away

or

Give treatment a chance

If someone breaks their leg because they are reckless, do you put them down
like a horse?

If someone contracts a disease though their actions do you treat them or
throw them away?

Otto

"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
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>>Alcoholism is a disease.
>
> Does that matter? I don't think so.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 19:33:32
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:45:38 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote:

>>>Alcoholism is a disease.
>>
>> Does that matter? I don't think so.
>

>It does if your choices are:
>
>
>Throw the human being away
>
>or
>
>Give treatment a chance

Explain this choice - if it's a disease we get one of those choices,
and if it's not we get the other choice?

I don't think so.

>If someone breaks their leg because they are reckless, do you put them down
>like a horse?
>
>If someone contracts a disease though their actions do you treat them or
>throw them away?
>
>Otto

Let's say someone has a disease which makes him Hannibal Lector - or
he doesn't have a disease but is Hannibal Lector anyway. Do we need
more protection from one than from the other? Does one need to be
turned into a safe, productive citizen but not the other?

Same thing with non-dangerous activities such as homosexuality. If
it is right, it's right regardless of whether it is natural. If it's
wrong it's wrong regardless of whether it is innate. (I'm
libertarian enough to believe there's nothing wrong with it). Reasons
for that behavior don't change whether it is acceptable or not.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 16:03:45
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
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> Explain this choice - if it's a disease we get one of those choices,
> and if it's not we get the other choice?
>
> I don't think so.

The first issue is you apply the rule of law. If you don't like the law,
have it legislated and subjected to the review of the courts.

You break the law--you do the time.

The second issue is how do you deal with the long term isues?

Throw away or treatment? Define it as disease or behavior faults or
whatever. Can it be treated? Is treatment effective?

> Let's say someone has a disease which makes him Hannibal Lector - or
> he doesn't have a disease but is Hannibal Lector anyway. Do we need
> more protection from one than from the other?

If the person is proven to have broken the law and the law calls for death
or life time in prison or short prison time, apply the law.

You can't thow away someone because they might break the law in the future.

> Does one need to be
> turned into a safe, productive citizen but not the other?

If they broke the law, apply the law.

If they might break the law(but have not at a point in time) but want help
with their problem, give them the help.

The last I checked, our constitution does not allow someone to be prosecuted
for something they might do.

> Same thing with non-dangerous activities such as homosexuality. If
> it is right, it's right regardless of whether it is natural. If it's
> wrong it's wrong regardless of whether it is innate. (I'm
> libertarian enough to believe there's nothing wrong with it). Reasons
> for that behavior don't change whether it is acceptable or not.

Last I checked, homoosexuality is not against the law. There is certainly a
segment in our society that would like to make in unlawful.

Otto

Date: 27 Aug 2006 13:23:30
From: multi
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:03:45 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote:

>You can't thow away someone because they might break the law in the future.

Why do you want the terrorists to win?

Date: 27 Aug 2006 18:53:53
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

A drug addict or an alcoholic is a terrorist?

That is quite a leap.

Otto

"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:03:45 -0400, "Otto"
> <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>You can't thow away someone because they might break the law in the
>>future.
>
> Why do you want the terrorists to win?

Date: 27 Aug 2006 23:16:56
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:53:53 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote:

<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>>
>>>You can't thow away someone because they might break the law in the
>>>future.
>>
>> Why do you want the terrorists to win?

>A drug addict or an alcoholic is a terrorist?
>
>That is quite a leap.

Doesn't matter. The terrorists want to defeat democracy and replace
it with theocracy. Every time we throw away our Constitutional Rights
to defeat them, they win and we lose.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 19:23:53
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

I agree.

Trampling the consitiution in the name of the "War on Terror" is nothing
more than a self inflicted suicide of our nation and what makes it the best
in the world.

I'm just not sure how that relates to throwing away the key on U.S. citizens
who happen to be chemically dependent and in many cases treatable.

Otto

"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:vs94f21tu1fgn7d5apj3p96kvfbl6diue9@4ax.com...

> Doesn't matter. The terrorists want to defeat democracy and replace
> it with theocracy. Every time we throw away our Constitutional Rights
> to defeat them, they win and we lose.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 23:42:46
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:23:53 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote:

>I agree.
>
>Trampling the consitiution in the name of the "War on Terror" is nothing
>more than a self inflicted suicide of our nation and what makes it the best
>in the world.
>
>I'm just not sure how that relates to throwing away the key on U.S. citizens
>who happen to be chemically dependent and in many cases treatable.

We should examine the values that we want to define us. This should
be easy for religious people - WWJD is a good way to use a role model.
If we are a nation that values people and liberty and making the world
a better place, then we should work on those values.

Cure the sick, help the lepers, and be willing to heal on the Sabbath.
(Don't be Righteous when you can be Good instead).

Date: 26 Aug 2006 07:49:59
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

multi wrote:
> What is it about his position on drug testing that you think is
> nonsense? Would you prefer that the PGA waits until they are forced
> to do it like baseball did, and have a bunch of all-time records that
> smell like old cheese?

I fully agree. Keep golf clean. What about beta-blockers? F

Date: 26 Aug 2006 14:16:15
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

After the Supremes ruled that the ADA allows Casey Martin to ride a cart, it
would be impossible to ban prescription mediations in golf.

Clean of what? Illegal drugs, steroids, HGH, or the full Olympic no-no list?

"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1156603799.287173.129280@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> multi wrote:
>> What is it about his position on drug testing that you think is
>> nonsense? Would you prefer that the PGA waits until they are forced
>> to do it like baseball did, and have a bunch of all-time records that
>> smell like old cheese?
>
> I fully agree. Keep golf clean. What about beta-blockers? F
>

Date: 26 Aug 2006 11:40:23
From: Booker Little
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote in message
news:2NednaTjXN9yEm3ZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> After the Supremes ruled that the ADA allows Casey Martin to ride a cart,
> it would be impossible to ban prescription mediations in golf.
>
> Clean of what? Illegal drugs, steroids, HGH, or the full Olympic no-no
> list?
>

Speaking of Casey Martin...someone here said that allowing Martin to ride
would be the end of Golf as we know it. Probably someone with the same
intelligence as the clown stating that John Daly is a better athlete than
Tiger....ROLF

Date: 26 Aug 2006 14:31:47
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:50:24 GMT, "olushola"
<olushola@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:

>"I don't know when we could get that implemented," Woods said. "Tomorrow would be fine with me."
>
>Woods did not say he thought anyone was using steroids, but said it could be a problem in the future.
>
>"I think we should be proactive instead of reactive," he said. "I just think we should be ahead of it and keep our
>sport as pure as can be. This is a great sport, and it's always been clean."
>
>Wood's comments came one day after PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem said he saw no need for drug testing in golf
>without evidence that any players are using steroids.

I agree with Tiger. My concern isn't about sports records being
"tarnished" by players using performance enhancing drugs - my concern
is about kids thinking they can be like Tiger (or Annika) via drugs.

If the kids know that their heroes are clean - and that if they are
caught dirty they will never be like Tiger, the kids will be less
likely to be dirty.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 19:30:31
From:
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

It appears it is not a matter of if it's needed, but when, does it
start?

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Date: 26 Aug 2006 08:59:22
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Date: 26 Aug 2006 09:15:59
From: OldSailor
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

"olushola" <olushola@tampabay.rr.com quoted Mr Woods as saying:
>

>
> "I think we should be proactive instead of reactive," he said. "I just
think we should be ahead of it and keep our
> sport as pure as can be. This is a great sport, and it's always been
clean."
>

Clean? - I don't know about pros and drugs, but it might be an idea to do
some testing after corporate scrambles. I suspect performance degrading
substances might be found ;)

Date: 26 Aug 2006 06:05:31
From: multi
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:50:24 GMT, "olushola"
<olushola@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>Tigeris a good golfer, but he lacks a lot of common sense.

What is it about his position on drug testing that you think is
nonsense? Would you prefer that the PGA waits until they are forced
to do it like baseball did, and have a bunch of all-time records that
smell like old cheese?

Date: 26 Aug 2006 22:38:59
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Otto wrote:
.
>
> Alcoholism is a disease.

Shut up you fruitball. And i bet when you're convicted of child
molesting you'll say that's just a disease too.

>
> Rehab for those afflicted with the disease can be quite effective when the
> affected party is motivated such as a tour professional or other
> professionals. When motivated, the rates of recidivism for alcoholics is
> very low. Rehab/treatment works.

You bald-faced lying sack of shit. NOTHING works for boozers or DUIs.
That's why we have to take away their license and if they still drive
then it's life w/o parole. You want to coddle these violent drug
criminals because YOU are one of them.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 11:42:18
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Otto

"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>
> Otto wrote:
> .
>>
>> Alcoholism is a disease.
>
> Shut up you fruitball. And i bet when you're convicted of child
> molesting you'll say that's just a disease too.
>
>
>>
>> Rehab for those afflicted with the disease can be quite effective when
>> the
>> affected party is motivated such as a tour professional or other
>> professionals. When motivated, the rates of recidivism for alcoholics is
>> very low. Rehab/treatment works.
>
> You bald-faced lying sack of shit. NOTHING works for boozers or DUIs.
> That's why we have to take away their license and if they still drive
> then it's life w/o parole. You want to coddle these violent drug
> criminals because YOU are one of them.
>

Date: 26 Aug 2006 23:32:39
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

I would drug test the fans of the PGA.........They MUST be stoned.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 00:09:29
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

You want them stoned.

They'll buy more concessions.

Otto

"Miss Anne Thrope" <High_Colonic@webtv.net > wrote in message
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>I would drug test the fans of the PGA.........They MUST be stoned.
>

Date: 26 Aug 2006 17:03:41
From: pete z
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:50:24 GMT, "olushola"
> <olushola@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >"I don't know when we could get that implemented," Woods said. "Tomorrow would be fine with me."
> >
> >Woods did not say he thought anyone was using steroids, but said it could be a problem in the future.
> >
> >"I think we should be proactive instead of reactive," he said. "I just think we should be ahead of it and keep our
> >sport as pure as can be. This is a great sport, and it's always been clean."
> >
> >Wood's comments came one day after PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Finchem said he saw no need for drug testing in golf
> >without evidence that any players are using steroids.
>
> I agree with Tiger. My concern isn't about sports records being
> "tarnished" by players using performance enhancing drugs - my concern
> is about kids thinking they can be like Tiger (or Annika) via drugs.
>
> If the kids know that their heroes are clean - and that if they are
> caught dirty they will never be like Tiger, the kids will be less
> likely to be dirty.

Hmmm, Annika. Perhaps the LPGA should have steroid testing.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 17:00:44
From: pete z
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Date: 27 Aug 2006 02:14:10
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

On 26 Aug 2006 17:00:44 -0700, "pete z" <pz0326@aol.com > wrote:

>There's no way you could rule out beta blockers for golfers. It is a
>valid prescription drug
>used for hypertension.

Steroids are a valid prescription drug used for healing.

The hard part of golf drug testing is in antihistamines and such -
many are illegal for Olympic sports.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 20:04:20
From:
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

Aw come on now,........how can anyone gain benefit from drugs while
golfing? Or why would they? It is tame sport for people who have
nothing better to do than chase a little white ball on a lawn course.

It is a game PLAYED and ot won.

Anyone who took drugs while golfing would probably go to sleep .

If anything comes of this, it should be the banning of those gimmick
golf devices that are supposed to make you a better golfer.(increase
swing,longer drives,ect.)
All that junk is a waste of money for the golfer. Practice, Practice,
Practice makes Perfect. Nothing else.

Thank you

Charles in Michigan(golf state)

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Date: 27 Aug 2006 21:22:14
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

You hit the nail on the head with that point.

If I bought every gimmick that is supposed to shave another stroke, Tiger
wouldn't have a chance against me.

Otto

<charles381@webtv.net > wrote in message
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> If anything comes of this, it should be the banning of those gimmick
> golf devices that are supposed to make you a better golfer.(increase
> swing,longer drives,ect.)
> All that junk is a waste of money for the golfer. Practice, Practice,
> Practice makes Perfect. Nothing else.
>
> Thank you
>
> Charles in Michigan(golf state)

Date: 28 Aug 2006 09:19:54
From:
Subject: Re: Woods Favors Drug Testing On PGA Tour

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