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Date: 21 Aug 2006 08:19:34
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Subject: Winter rules in August?
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Club championship was this past weekend. It was 36-hole stroke play
event. The club pro sets the rules. He opted for a winter rules pick
clean and place with in 12 inches rule only in the fairway. I am an 18
handicapper was flabbergasted. We had been playing as it lies since
April. In his defense, he indicated that because of high temperatures
there are some dead brown grass spots in the fairways. Fairways are
watered nightly. I estimated 20% brown spots in some places. Grass
length between dead spots and green fairway is close to even. I tend
to play more out of the rough and feel that the rule is an advantage to
my straighter friends who spend more time in the fairway. Does this
rule give an advantage to some players over others?
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 08:37:13
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Winter rules in August?
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thomas.jacobs@dva.state.wi.us wrote:
> Club championship was this past weekend. It was 36-hole stroke play
> event. The club pro sets the rules. He opted for a winter rules pick
> clean and place with in 12 inches rule only in the fairway. I am an 18
> handicapper was flabbergasted. We had been playing as it lies since
> April. In his defense, he indicated that because of high temperatures
> there are some dead brown grass spots in the fairways. Fairways are
> watered nightly. I estimated 20% brown spots in some places. Grass
> length between dead spots and green fairway is close to even. I tend
> to play more out of the rough and feel that the rule is an advantage to
> my straighter friends who spend more time in the fairway. Does this
> rule give an advantage to some players over others?
Most likely it is because you have a handful of cheaters that will
"roll the ball". So the Pro covers his ass by making it
lift/clean/cheat for everyone. That saves him the trouble of having to
confront the "rollers" with penalties and/or a DQ.
Tex
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 13:57:34
From: pete z
Subject: Re: Winter rules in August?
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Zuke wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Tex wrote:
>
> > thomas.jacobs@dva.state.wi.us wrote:
> >> Club championship was this past weekend. It was 36-hole stroke play
> >> event. The club pro sets the rules. He opted for a winter rules pick
> >> clean and place with in 12 inches rule only in the fairway. I am an 18
> >> handicapper was flabbergasted. We had been playing as it lies since
> >> April. In his defense, he indicated that because of high temperatures
> >> there are some dead brown grass spots in the fairways. Fairways are
> >> watered nightly. I estimated 20% brown spots in some places. Grass
> >> length between dead spots and green fairway is close to even. I tend
> >> to play more out of the rough and feel that the rule is an advantage to
> >> my straighter friends who spend more time in the fairway. Does this
> >> rule give an advantage to some players over others?
> >
> > Most likely it is because you have a handful of cheaters that will
> > "roll the ball". So the Pro covers his ass by making it
> > lift/clean/cheat for everyone. That saves him the trouble of having to
> > confront the "rollers" with penalties and/or a DQ.
> >
> > Tex
> >
> >
> Shouldn't be a problem. You should get a good lie in the fairway
> anyway and since they are already in the fairway no player should
> benefit from the 12 inch movement. Watch for that in tournies
> where you can move them anywhere. Amazing how much 12 inches can
> make when around trees or difficult angles to the hole.
>
> Shouldn't the guy in the fairway have an advantage over those who
> hit in the rough.
>
> I like to play them down and if the course is in good shape have no
> trouble with it. I play at a place where it's impossible to play
> them down. Bad enough we have to do it from the rough.
I played a course in Va. - Westpark, just because it was on the way to
work for my son-in-law, and it was often impossible to get a decent lie
in the fairway, even with 12".
You were better off in the rough, unless you like hitting off hardpan.
By the way, it's not
called winter rules in the summer. :-)
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 16:02:28
From: Zuke
Subject: Re: Winter rules in August?
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Tex wrote:
> thomas.jacobs@dva.state.wi.us wrote:
>> Club championship was this past weekend. It was 36-hole stroke play
>> event. The club pro sets the rules. He opted for a winter rules pick
>> clean and place with in 12 inches rule only in the fairway. I am an 18
>> handicapper was flabbergasted. We had been playing as it lies since
>> April. In his defense, he indicated that because of high temperatures
>> there are some dead brown grass spots in the fairways. Fairways are
>> watered nightly. I estimated 20% brown spots in some places. Grass
>> length between dead spots and green fairway is close to even. I tend
>> to play more out of the rough and feel that the rule is an advantage to
>> my straighter friends who spend more time in the fairway. Does this
>> rule give an advantage to some players over others?
>
> Most likely it is because you have a handful of cheaters that will
> "roll the ball". So the Pro covers his ass by making it
> lift/clean/cheat for everyone. That saves him the trouble of having to
> confront the "rollers" with penalties and/or a DQ.
>
> Tex
>
>
Shouldn't be a problem. You should get a good lie in the fairway
anyway and since they are already in the fairway no player should
benefit from the 12 inch movement. Watch for that in tournies
where you can move them anywhere. Amazing how much 12 inches can
make when around trees or difficult angles to the hole.
Shouldn't the guy in the fairway have an advantage over those who
hit in the rough.
I like to play them down and if the course is in good shape have no
trouble with it. I play at a place where it's impossible to play
them down. Bad enough we have to do it from the rough.
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