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Date: 20 Aug 2006 16:41:12
From: annika1980
Subject: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Looks like I was closest with my 71 prediction. I was actually being
kind to him, figuring that he'd blow to at least a 75. Nothing against
Donald, but the track record of good players thrown into the final
round of a Major with Tiger ain't that great. I think 4 factors are at
work here:
1. The crowd. Most players have never played in front of such a mob.
2. Pressure. It is the final round of a Major, after all.
3. Fatigue. More mental than physical. Grinding it out in a Major
for 4 days takes it's toll. I knew Geoff Ogilvy would have a letdown on
the weekend for this reason. To Tiger, it's just another round of
golf. He stays in "grind mode" all the time.
4. Pin positions. It's hard to make up ground with the Sunday pin
positions at a Major. Especially when Tiger is leading and in control
of his swing. He'll play for the fat side of the green, take his pars,
birdie a few par-5's and shoot 66-68.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 18:43:10
From: Shivas
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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multi wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2006 18:16:50 -0700, "Shivas" <shivasfes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I wonder if that is why the only guys anybody can remember giving him a
> >run are Glen Day and Hal Sutton. Not that either of these guys are
> >physical specimens but Sutton certainly has never been intimidated by
> >him, I think he actually won that Players because Tiger was on his
> >heels, it brought out the best in him. Day was the big swinging dick in
> >SoCal when Tiger was growing up so there may have been less of the
> >intimidation factor there. Im sure Day spanked him a few times as a
> >junior.
>
> Are you talking about Bob May?
Oops your right, Bob May.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 18:37:22
From:
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Fairway wrote:
> There is a 5th factor. Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
> intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
> ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
> his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
> universe. The other guy feels like some inferior creep who really
> shouldn=B4t be there. Some brilliant footballers have this aura, Roy
> Keane of Manchester United as an outstanding example. You feel less of
> man in their presence and you are doomed to be far from your best. F
that doesn't explain his pre-muscular days (amateur days when he won
just as easily or even easier....)
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 18:16:50
From: Shivas
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Fairway wrote:
> annika1980 wrote:
> > I think 4 factors are at
> > work here:
> >
> > 1. The crowd. Most players have never played in front of such a mob.
> >
> > 2. Pressure. It is the final round of a Major, after all.
> >
> > 3. Fatigue. More mental than physical. Grinding it out in a Major
> > for 4 days takes it's toll. I knew Geoff Ogilvy would have a letdown on
> > the weekend for this reason. To Tiger, it's just another round of
> > golf. He stays in "grind mode" all the time.
> >
> > 4. Pin positions. It's hard to make up ground with the Sunday pin
> > positions at a Major. Especially when Tiger is leading and in control
> > of his swing. He'll play for the fat side of the green, take his pars,
> > birdie a few par-5's and shoot 66-68.
>
> There is a 5th factor. Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
> intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
> ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
> his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
> universe. The other guy feels like some inferior creep who really
> shouldn=B4t be there. Some brilliant footballers have this aura, Roy
> Keane of Manchester United as an outstanding example. You feel less of
> man in their presence and you are doomed to be far from your best. F
I wonder if that is why the only guys anybody can remember giving him a
run are Glen Day and Hal Sutton. Not that either of these guys are
physical specimens but Sutton certainly has never been intimidated by
him, I think he actually won that Players because Tiger was on his
heels, it brought out the best in him. Day was the big swinging dick in
SoCal when Tiger was growing up so there may have been less of the
intimidation factor there. Im sure Day spanked him a few times as a
junior.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 18:29:51
From: multi
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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On 20 Aug 2006 18:16:50 -0700, "Shivas" <shivasfes@gmail.com > wrote:
>I wonder if that is why the only guys anybody can remember giving him a
>run are Glen Day and Hal Sutton. Not that either of these guys are
>physical specimens but Sutton certainly has never been intimidated by
>him, I think he actually won that Players because Tiger was on his
>heels, it brought out the best in him. Day was the big swinging dick in
>SoCal when Tiger was growing up so there may have been less of the
>intimidation factor there. Im sure Day spanked him a few times as a
>junior.
Are you talking about Bob May?
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 17:09:03
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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annika1980 wrote:
> I think 4 factors are at
> work here:
>
> 1. The crowd. Most players have never played in front of such a mob.
>
> 2. Pressure. It is the final round of a Major, after all.
>
> 3. Fatigue. More mental than physical. Grinding it out in a Major
> for 4 days takes it's toll. I knew Geoff Ogilvy would have a letdown on
> the weekend for this reason. To Tiger, it's just another round of
> golf. He stays in "grind mode" all the time.
>
> 4. Pin positions. It's hard to make up ground with the Sunday pin
> positions at a Major. Especially when Tiger is leading and in control
> of his swing. He'll play for the fat side of the green, take his pars,
> birdie a few par-5's and shoot 66-68.
There is a 5th factor. Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
universe. The other guy feels like some inferior creep who really
shouldn=B4t be there. Some brilliant footballers have this aura, Roy
Keane of Manchester United as an outstanding example. You feel less of
man in their presence and you are doomed to be far from your best. F
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 09:08:45
From: Shintaro
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Fairway wrote:
> annika1980 wrote:
>
>>I think 4 factors are at
>>work here:
>>
>>1. The crowd. Most players have never played in front of such a mob.
>>
>>2. Pressure. It is the final round of a Major, after all.
>>
>>3. Fatigue. More mental than physical. Grinding it out in a Major
>>for 4 days takes it's toll. I knew Geoff Ogilvy would have a letdown on
>>the weekend for this reason. To Tiger, it's just another round of
>>golf. He stays in "grind mode" all the time.
>>
>>4. Pin positions. It's hard to make up ground with the Sunday pin
>>positions at a Major. Especially when Tiger is leading and in control
>>of his swing. He'll play for the fat side of the green, take his pars,
>>birdie a few par-5's and shoot 66-68.
>
>
> There is a 5th factor. Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
> intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
> ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
> his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
> universe. The other guy feels like some inferior creep who really
> shouldn´t be there. Some brilliant footballers have this aura, Roy
> Keane of Manchester United as an outstanding example.
You made plenty of sense until you brought up a self-confessed thug as
an example of a superior being.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 17:30:44
From: multi
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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On 20 Aug 2006 17:09:03 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
>intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
>ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
>his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
>universe.
The "V" symbolizes Victory.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 22:08:20
From: Dave Clary
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:30:44 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>On 20 Aug 2006 17:09:03 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
>>intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
>>ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
>>his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
>>universe.
>
>The "V" symbolizes Victory.
What do ya think the PGA Lucerne will go for on eBay?
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx
Home: http://davidclary.com
Kinky for Texas Gov
"Why The Hell Not"
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 08:52:23
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:30:44 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>On 20 Aug 2006 17:09:03 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
>>intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
>>ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
>>his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
>>universe.
>
>The "V" symbolizes Victory.
"Go Tiger" :-)
--
jvdp
The only way to beat me is to make a hole in one
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 16:59:11
From: multi
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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On 20 Aug 2006 16:41:12 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>Looks like I was closest with my 71 prediction.
It wasn't hard to predict that whoever played with Tiger would have a
rough day. What I never expected is that *nobody* made a run at it.
I thought Tiger would need at least three under to win. Turns out he
could have shot even par.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 16:54:54
From: Big_Fan
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Who better the under on Luke's number of birdies? (ZERO)
annika1980 wrote:
> Looks like I was closest with my 71 prediction. I was actually being
> kind to him, figuring that he'd blow to at least a 75. Nothing against
> Donald, but the track record of good players thrown into the final
> round of a Major with Tiger ain't that great. I think 4 factors are at
> work here:
>
> 1. The crowd. Most players have never played in front of such a mob.
>
> 2. Pressure. It is the final round of a Major, after all.
>
> 3. Fatigue. More mental than physical. Grinding it out in a Major
> for 4 days takes it's toll. I knew Geoff Ogilvy would have a letdown on
> the weekend for this reason. To Tiger, it's just another round of
> golf. He stays in "grind mode" all the time.
>
> 4. Pin positions. It's hard to make up ground with the Sunday pin
> positions at a Major. Especially when Tiger is leading and in control
> of his swing. He'll play for the fat side of the green, take his pars,
> birdie a few par-5's and shoot 66-68.
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 04:02:15
From: Jack Thompson
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Fairway wrote:
>
> There is a 5th factor. Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
> intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
> ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
> his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
> universe. The other guy feels like some inferior creep who really
> shouldn=B4t be there.
Thoughts running through Tiger's playing partners on Sunday:
"I'm not intimidated. I'm not intimidated. I'm not intimidated..."
"Pepto really doesn't work for those things that commercial claims."
"I feel like one of those guys on a Jordan poster that got dunked on."
"Could he just make one f'in bogey!!"
"Maybe that career in accounting wasn't such a bad idea after all."
"I wonder if Tiger likes me."
Thought definitely not running through their minds:
"I am so going to win this tournament."
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 12:05:42
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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"Jack Thompson" <jacqueszmonkey@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1156158135.697356.71570@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Fairway wrote:
>
> There is a 5th factor. Tiger is like so many brilliant sportsmen quite
> intimidating. He carries himself like a superior being, like some
> ancient God really, walking so meticulously, staring straight ahead,
> his powerful arms swinging rhytmically, alone in his magnificent
> universe. The other guy feels like some inferior creep who really
> shouldn´t be there.
>
> Thoughts running through Tiger's playing partners on Sunday:
>
> "I'm not intimidated. I'm not intimidated. I'm not intimidated..."
> "Pepto really doesn't work for those things that commercial claims."
> "I feel like one of those guys on a Jordan poster that got dunked on."
> "Could he just make one f'in bogey!!"
> "Maybe that career in accounting wasn't such a bad idea after all."
> "I wonder if Tiger likes me."
>
> Thought definitely not running through their minds:
>
> "I am so going to win this tournament."
Phil: "Just let me keep this stupid smile on my face 5 more minutes. It
was supposed to me MY turn. It was supposed to be MY year. I'm gonna use
some imagination on Peltz."
Sergio: "I bet they're showing that stupid shot again on TV from '99. I
look like an idiot in clown clothes and the only thing that will be on the
highlight reel from today will be me missing a putt with commentary on how
my putting sucks. Oh well, at least I'm good with the ladies."
Mike Weir: "So like, this really sucks. Eh."
Davis Love: "I'm tired of playing in the Ryder Cup anyway."
Luke Donald: "Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit."
Shaun Micheel: "Sweet. Adam Scott just gave me 2nd alone. Daddy needs a
new set of wheels."
Miguel Jimenez: "I don't think anybody even knows I was in the tournament,
let alone made the cut."
Billy Mayfair: "It's all in my mind. They are not all looking at my
crotch."
Jay Haas: "Yes! I'm not in last place!"
Jim Kane: "Jay Haas is such an asshole."
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 03:59:44
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Shivas wrote:
> I wonder if that is why the only guys anybody can remember giving him a
> run are Glen Day and Hal Sutton.
> Day was the big swinging dick in
> SoCal when Tiger was growing up so there may have been less of the
> intimidation factor there. Im sure Day spanked him a few times as a
> junior.
That was Bob May. Glen Day swings a small dick.
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 00:55:45
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Shintaro wrote:
> You made plenty of sense until you brought up a self-confessed thug as
> an example of a superior being.
I=B4m not a ManU fan and I agree with you totally, Roy Keane was a
self-confessed thug, but you have to admit that he was intimidating,
and so was another ManU thug, Eric Cantona. I remember well how even
good strikers froze down when standing face to face with Oliver Kahn.
And I witnessed myself how strong chess players almost broke down when
they had to face the troubled genius, Bobby Fischer. Intimidation is a
powerful factor in any sport. When Tiger is on song he is unbeatable.
He is hypnotizing to watch but he is killing the majors. What we sorely
need now is another Great White Shark or a new Ballesteros. F
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 15:34:14
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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FredK wrote:
> Luke Donald: "Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit."
>
Sadly, that was on a par-4.
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 18:04:27
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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annika1980 wrote:
> FredK wrote:
>
>>Luke Donald: "Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit."
>>
>
>
> Sadly, that was on a par-4.
>
yep, #1
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 15:16:57
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Aha, there is a literary talent among us! F
FredK wrote:
> Phil: "Just let me keep this stupid smile on my face 5 more minutes. It
> was supposed to me MY turn. It was supposed to be MY year. I'm gonna use
> some imagination on Peltz."
>
> Sergio: "I bet they're showing that stupid shot again on TV from '99. I
> look like an idiot in clown clothes and the only thing that will be on the
> highlight reel from today will be me missing a putt with commentary on how
> my putting sucks. Oh well, at least I'm good with the ladies."
>
> Mike Weir: "So like, this really sucks. Eh."
>
> Davis Love: "I'm tired of playing in the Ryder Cup anyway."
>
> Luke Donald: "Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit."
>
> Shaun Micheel: "Sweet. Adam Scott just gave me 2nd alone. Daddy needs a
> new set of wheels."
>
> Miguel Jimenez: "I don't think anybody even knows I was in the tournament,
> let alone made the cut."
>
> Billy Mayfair: "It's all in my mind. They are not all looking at my
> crotch."
>
> Jay Haas: "Yes! I'm not in last place!"
>
> Jim Kane: "Jay Haas is such an asshole."
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 19:30:35
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Who had "74" in the Luke Donald pool?
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Last but not least:
Tiger: "I *love* this game!"
---
My other mini-thought was the umbrella incident. What if that was actually
the pay off for a bet (we know Phil can't resist a wager) on Friday's round?
With the kicker being that their bet on the 36 hole match was Phil had to
wear womens underwear on the weekend? It explains everything! Just couldn't
work it into a top 10 list ;-)
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1156198617.691218.150550@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Aha, there is a literary talent among us! F
>
>
> FredK wrote:
> > Phil: "Just let me keep this stupid smile on my face 5 more minutes.
It
> > was supposed to me MY turn. It was supposed to be MY year. I'm gonna
use
> > some imagination on Peltz."
> >
> > Sergio: "I bet they're showing that stupid shot again on TV from '99.
I
> > look like an idiot in clown clothes and the only thing that will be on
the
> > highlight reel from today will be me missing a putt with commentary on
how
> > my putting sucks. Oh well, at least I'm good with the ladies."
> >
> > Mike Weir: "So like, this really sucks. Eh."
> >
> > Davis Love: "I'm tired of playing in the Ryder Cup anyway."
> >
> > Luke Donald: "Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit."
> >
> > Shaun Micheel: "Sweet. Adam Scott just gave me 2nd alone. Daddy needs
a
> > new set of wheels."
> >
> > Miguel Jimenez: "I don't think anybody even knows I was in the
tournament,
> > let alone made the cut."
> >
> > Billy Mayfair: "It's all in my mind. They are not all looking at my
> > crotch."
> >
> > Jay Haas: "Yes! I'm not in last place!"
> >
> > Jim Kane: "Jay Haas is such an asshole."
>
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