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Date: 23 Aug 2006 18:26:08
From: rowdy rod
Subject: Which would you rather see?
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I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
for sure it would be his last, but still...
I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
again.
So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
record would be?
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 19:15:17
From: dannysprung@aol.com
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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annika1980 wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
> > Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
> > last base of the season, I'll take the record.
> >
> > As I would with Tiger as well.
> >
>
> Amen. Who remembers who Hank Aaron hit homer #755 off of?
> Everybody remembers #715 off Al Downing.
>
> Remember when Mark McGwire hit #62? I do. Couldn't tell you how many
> more he hit that year, though.
you would know if it was still the record...
danny
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 23:01:05
From: SJ
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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The record breaking ball always is worth the most. Although In Aarons case,
his last home run ball would "become" very valuable really only after it was
determined to be his last. By the way, I'd rather be there for Tigers record
breaking 19th. I'd like to be there for all of them.
>
> Amen. Who remembers who Hank Aaron hit homer #755 off of?
> Everybody remembers #715 off Al Downing.
>
> Remember when Mark McGwire hit #62? I do. Couldn't tell you how many
> more he hit that year, though.
you would know if it was still the record...
danny
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 17:34:26
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
> last base of the season, I'll take the record.
>
> As I would with Tiger as well.
>
Amen. Who remembers who Hank Aaron hit homer #755 off of?
Everybody remembers #715 off Al Downing.
Remember when Mark McGwire hit #62? I do. Couldn't tell you how many
more he hit that year, though.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 16:30:05
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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rowdy rod wrote:
> I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
> for sure it would be his last, but still...
>
> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
> again.
>
> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
> record would be?
I saw Ricky Henderson break the record for stolen bases (he was out,
BTW, but the umpire must have had his eyes closed. I clearly had a
better view from the stands :). Then he stole three more for extra
emphasis.
Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
last base of the season, I'll take the record.
As I would with Tiger as well.
Mike
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 08:23:41
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:05 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net >
wrote:
>rowdy rod wrote:
>> I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
>> for sure it would be his last, but still...
>>
>> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
>> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
>> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
>> again.
>>
>> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
>> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
>> record would be?
>
>I saw Ricky Henderson break the record for stolen bases (he was out,
>BTW, but the umpire must have had his eyes closed. I clearly had a
>better view from the stands :). Then he stole three more for extra
>emphasis.
>
>Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
>last base of the season, I'll take the record.
>
>As I would with Tiger as well.
>
>Mike
I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
seeing the record broken any day.
[1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 08:00:00
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:23:41 -0400, John van der Pflum
<jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:05 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net>
>wrote:
>
>>rowdy rod wrote:
>>> I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
>>> for sure it would be his last, but still...
>>>
>>> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
>>> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
>>> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
>>> again.
>>>
>>> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
>>> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
>>> record would be?
>>
>>I saw Ricky Henderson break the record for stolen bases (he was out,
>>BTW, but the umpire must have had his eyes closed. I clearly had a
>>better view from the stands :). Then he stole three more for extra
>>emphasis.
>>
>>Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
>>last base of the season, I'll take the record.
>>
>>As I would with Tiger as well.
>>
>>Mike
>
>I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
>evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
>seeing the record broken any day.
>
>[1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
>had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
[1] Debunk this. Bookie King.
___,
\o
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:41:08
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:00:00 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:23:41 -0400, John van der Pflum
><jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:05 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>rowdy rod wrote:
>>>> I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
>>>> for sure it would be his last, but still...
>>>>
>>>> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
>>>> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
>>>> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
>>>> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
>>>> record would be?
>>>
>>>I saw Ricky Henderson break the record for stolen bases (he was out,
>>>BTW, but the umpire must have had his eyes closed. I clearly had a
>>>better view from the stands :). Then he stole three more for extra
>>>emphasis.
>>>
>>>Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
>>>last base of the season, I'll take the record.
>>>
>>>As I would with Tiger as well.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
>>evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
>>seeing the record broken any day.
>>
>>[1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
>>had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
>
>[1] Debunk this. Bookie King.
Wrong! If anything, he was the Bet King[2]. As far as I know, he was
not a bookie. (I doubt he spent much time in the library.)
[2] I never denied that he bet on baseball. I am disgusted that he
did.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 15:45:46
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:41:08 -0400, John van der Pflum
<jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:00:00 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:23:41 -0400, John van der Pflum
>><jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>>I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
>>>evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
>>>seeing the record broken any day.
>>>
>>>[1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
>>>had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
>>
>>[1] Debunk this. Bookie King.
>
>Wrong! If anything, he was the Bet King[2]. As far as I know, he was
>not a bookie. (I doubt he spent much time in the library.)
>
I didn't mean that HE was the bookie, but damned sure used one.
>[2] I never denied that he bet on baseball. I am disgusted that he
>did.
Me too, but it bugs me a little that he isn't getting the honors for
what he did as a player.
___,
\o
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 22:18:05
From: Tim Mocarski
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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In article <08oue29pit7cjn28kf20bd199gta25fs22@4ax.com >, Bobby Knight
<bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:41:08 -0400, John van der Pflum
> <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't mean that HE was the bookie, but damned sure used one.
>
> >[2] I never denied that he bet on baseball. I am disgusted that he
> >did.
>
> Me too, but it bugs me a little that he isn't getting the honors for
> what he did as a player.
Nyah! He broke the cardinal rule. Maybe if he admitted it and
apologized, (and not in some half baked book) I might think different.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 17:19:53
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:45:46 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:41:08 -0400, John van der Pflum
><jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:00:00 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:23:41 -0400, John van der Pflum
>>><jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>
>>>>I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
>>>>evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
>>>>seeing the record broken any day.
>>>>
>>>>[1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
>>>>had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
>>>
>>>[1] Debunk this. Bookie King.
>>
>>Wrong! If anything, he was the Bet King[2]. As far as I know, he was
>>not a bookie. (I doubt he spent much time in the library.)
>>
>I didn't mean that HE was the bookie, but damned sure used one.
I knew what you meant. Just picking a nit.
>
>>[2] I never denied that he bet on baseball. I am disgusted that he
>>did.
>
>Me too, but it bugs me a little that he isn't getting the honors for
>what he did as a player.
agreed -- 100%.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 07:57:31
From: Harrison Bergeron
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > writes:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:05 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net>
> wrote:
>
> >rowdy rod wrote:
> >> I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
> >> for sure it would be his last, but still...
> >>
> >> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
> >> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
> >> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
> >> again.
> >>
> >> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
> >> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
> >> record would be?
> >
> >I saw Ricky Henderson break the record for stolen bases (he was out,
> >BTW, but the umpire must have had his eyes closed. I clearly had a
> >better view from the stands :). Then he stole three more for extra
> >emphasis.
> >
> >Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
> >last base of the season, I'll take the record.
> >
> >As I would with Tiger as well.
> >
> >Mike
>
> I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
> evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
> seeing the record broken any day.
>
> [1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
> had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
There's still plenty of bunk in Bellomy's arguments.
CB, you can thank me later for supporting you.
--
<-- Harry -- >
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:38:36
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On 25 Aug 2006 07:57:31 -0500, Harrison Bergeron
<not_a_valid@address.com > wrote:
>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:05 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >rowdy rod wrote:
>> >> I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
>> >> for sure it would be his last, but still...
>> >>
>> >> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
>> >> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
>> >> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
>> >> again.
>> >>
>> >> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
>> >> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
>> >> record would be?
>> >
>> >I saw Ricky Henderson break the record for stolen bases (he was out,
>> >BTW, but the umpire must have had his eyes closed. I clearly had a
>> >better view from the stands :). Then he stole three more for extra
>> >emphasis.
>> >
>> >Given a choice between seeing him break the record, and stealing his
>> >last base of the season, I'll take the record.
>> >
>> >As I would with Tiger as well.
>> >
>> >Mike
>>
>> I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
>> evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
>> seeing the record broken any day.
>>
>> [1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
>> had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
>
>There's still plenty of bunk in Bellomy's arguments.
>
>CB, you can thank me later for supporting you.
I doubt CB wants you on his side. You have a long history of being
wrong.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 21:04:48
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
> I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
> evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
> seeing the record broken any day.
>
> [1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
> had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
Do you dispute that he's the Out King?
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C-List Charter Member
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 17:34:08
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:04:48 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>
>> I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
>> evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
>> seeing the record broken any day.
>>
>> [1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
>> had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
>
>Do you dispute that he's the Out King?
Nope. Though, right now, I can't remember if I was ever able to
confirm that. I seem to recall that I looked at the stats on MLB.com
but couldn't confirm it.
The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
players. He batted lead-off for a lot of teams that scored a lot of
runs and played in lots of playoff games.
A guy who bats .285 over 11,988 at-bats (Carl Yaz) is going to have
3,416 outs. A guy who bats .303 (Pete's lifetime average) over 14,053
games is going to have 4,258 outs. OF COURSE HE MADE MORE OUTS. HE
WAS UP TO BAT 3,000 MORE TIMES. He also had a few more hits than
anyone in the history of the game.
Kyle Losh for the Reds went 3-4 last night. Pete Rose has made 4,257
more outs than him. Does that mean Kyle Losh is a better hitter?
[1] again, not disputing it. I can easily see where it could be true.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:04:48 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the Hit King, Pete Rose[1], break Ty Cobb's record one cool
>>> evening in Riverfront Stadium. A day I'll never forget. I'd take
>>> seeing the record broken any day.
>>>
>>> [1] Yes, Bellomy, I know you call him the Out King but we've already
>>> had this debate and I've pretty much debunked your arguments.
>>
>>Do you dispute that he's the Out King?
>
> Nope.
Thank you, drive through, please. :)
> The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
> at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
> players.
Hmm. I wonder who wrote his name into the lineup those last few
years...
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 18:42:40
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>
>> The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
>> at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
>> players.
>
>Hmm. I wonder who wrote his name into the lineup those last few
>years...
Your point is.................. ???
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 00:32:41
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>> The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
>>> at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
>>> players.
>>
>>Hmm. I wonder who wrote his name into the lineup those last few
>>years...
>
> Your point is.................. ???
Whoever it was must have *really* wanted him to get all those
ABs instead of letting a younger player get experience...
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 20:54:41
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:32:41 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
>>>> at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
>>>> players.
>>>
>>>Hmm. I wonder who wrote his name into the lineup those last few
>>>years...
>>
>> Your point is.................. ???
>
>Whoever it was must have *really* wanted him to get all those
>ABs instead of letting a younger player get experience...
"All those at bats" ????
When he was player/manger he had the staggering number of 642 ABs, had
an OBP somewhere around .375 and batted .263. The other first
baseman, the no-doubt Hall of Famer Nick Esasky, had 743 at bats, an
OBP of .326 and batted a staggering .247 over that time.
Who would you rather have at the plate?
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 02:48:03
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:32:41 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
>>>>> at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
>>>>> players.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm. I wonder who wrote his name into the lineup those last few
>>>>years...
>>>
>>> Your point is.................. ???
>>
>>Whoever it was must have *really* wanted him to get all those
>>ABs instead of letting a younger player get experience...
>
> "All those at bats" ????
>
> When he was player/manger he had the staggering number of 642 ABs, had
> an OBP somewhere around .375 and batted .263. The other first
> baseman, the no-doubt Hall of Famer Nick Esasky, had 743 at bats, an
> OBP of .326 and batted a staggering .247 over that time.
>
> Who would you rather have at the plate?
How were Esasky's power numbers? How were they in the minors?
Rose was a proven liability, how much was known about Esasky?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 22:07:41
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:48:03 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:32:41 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
You guys have each other's email address, right?
___,
\o
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 08:20:36
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:07:41 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:48:03 GMT, Chris Bellomy
><puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:32:41 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>>>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
>You guys have each other's email address, right?
> ___,
> \o
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 08:20:00
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:48:03 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:32:41 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
>>>>>> at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
>>>>>> players.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmm. I wonder who wrote his name into the lineup those last few
>>>>>years...
>>>>
>>>> Your point is.................. ???
>>>
>>>Whoever it was must have *really* wanted him to get all those
>>>ABs instead of letting a younger player get experience...
>>
>> "All those at bats" ????
>>
>> When he was player/manger he had the staggering number of 642 ABs, had
>> an OBP somewhere around .375 and batted .263. The other first
>> baseman, the no-doubt Hall of Famer Nick Esasky, had 743 at bats, an
>> OBP of .326 and batted a staggering .247 over that time.
>>
>> Who would you rather have at the plate?
>
>How were Esasky's power numbers? How were they in the minors?
>Rose was a proven liability, how much was known about Esasky?
Why should I do your research for you? How about *you* tell *me*
since you think Esasky was better than Pete Rose?
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 16:45:23
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:48:03 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:32:41 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:02:08 GMT, Chris Bellomy
>>>>> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact is that IF[1] he's the Out King, it's because he had WAY more
>>>>>>> at bats, and thus way more chances to make outs, than other great
>>>>>>> players.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmm. I wonder who wrote his name into the lineup those last few
>>>>>>years...
>>>>>
>>>>> Your point is.................. ???
>>>>
>>>>Whoever it was must have *really* wanted him to get all those
>>>>ABs instead of letting a younger player get experience...
>>>
>>> "All those at bats" ????
>>>
>>> When he was player/manger he had the staggering number of 642 ABs, had
>>> an OBP somewhere around .375 and batted .263. The other first
>>> baseman, the no-doubt Hall of Famer Nick Esasky, had 743 at bats, an
>>> OBP of .326 and batted a staggering .247 over that time.
>>>
>>> Who would you rather have at the plate?
>>
>>How were Esasky's power numbers? How were they in the minors?
>>Rose was a proven liability, how much was known about Esasky?
>
> Why should I do your research for you? How about *you* tell *me*
> since you think Esasky was better than Pete Rose?
I don't think he was better -- I think he was young and therefore
still an unknown quantity. If they knew he wasn't good enough to
play 1B in the majors, then Rose screwed up as a manager by keeping
him on the roster (and one might question his motivation for *that*,
too). As a rule, if I'm managing a team that's not in contention,
I want to get the young guys the bulk of the ABs so I can sort out
the keepers from the Esaskys.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 20:57:32
From: 3putt
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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"rowdy rod" <poetryrocksnow@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:230820061326064505%poetryrocksnow@yahoo.com...
>I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
> for sure it would be his last, but still...
>
> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
> again.
>
> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
> record would be?
Let's assume he has another 20 years, and he wins that last major at age 50,
and I were there to see it....I wouldn't remember it. I'd be somewhere into
my 80's.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 18:05:19
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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Let's put the market on this decision.
What sells for more on the open market? :
Hank Aaron's ball that put him ahead of Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron's last home
run ball?
I'm sure there is other similar sports paraphernalia that hits the auction
block and in turn has value assigned.
Anyone out there know of examples?
Which would the market rather see? Which brings more bucks?
Otto
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 13:36:27
From: Ken Brown
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:26:08 GMT, rowdy rod <poetryrocksnow@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
>for sure it would be his last, but still...
>
>I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
>such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
>something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
>again.
>
>So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
>major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
>record would be?
His last, especially if he is about 50 years old at the time. If Tiger
stays healthy, that is a possibility.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 00:04:03
From: AKA Gray Asphalt 2
Subject: Re: Which would you rather see?
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"rowdy rod" <poetryrocksnow@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:230820061326064505%poetryrocksnow@yahoo.com...
>I got to see Hank Aaron hit his last homerun. Of course, nobody knew
> for sure it would be his last, but still...
>
> I think that is why so many people view Nicklaus's 1986 Masters with
> such fondness. He was 46, and most people recognized they were seeing
> something really special that day and probably wouldn't see it ever
> again.
>
> So which would you rather have a ticket for? Tiger winning his 19th
> major or being there when he wins his last one, whatever number his
> record would be?
I'll proabaly be dead in 30 years, so how am I gonna know when Tiger's last
major is going to be?
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