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Date: 25 Aug 2006 07:50:53
From: Frankenshank
Subject: Weight "shift" timing
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Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
happens:
AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
the target (takes a good deal of effort)
As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
hips and it feels like this gets
90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
(the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
in sync through impact.
Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
specific point in the swing?
FrankenShank
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:37:52
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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larryrsf wrote:
> Frank Ketchum wrote:
> > "Frankenshank" <groovemeister747@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1156517453.648249.66470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
> > >
> > > It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
> > > happens:
> > >
> > > AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
> > > the target (takes a good deal of effort)
> > > As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
> > > hips and it feels like this gets
> > > 90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
> > > (the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
> > > imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
> > >
> > > When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
> > > in sync through impact.
> > >
> > > Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
> > > specific point in the swing?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, it is very important and I practice it. I have to pay attention to my
> > plane though, because I tend to rotate with the weight shift like a baseball
> > swing. I have to concentrate on "shaking hands" with the target which keeps
> > my plane true. I also concentrate on accelerating the club through the
> > impact area. Watch the pros, they do pretty much what you describe.
> >
> > Pay no attention to the advise of Larry unless you want to be a 25
> > handicapper.
>
> Yeah, it was almost verbatim from Hogan's "5 lessons."
"almost" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, atom bombs
> And I shot
> 76/78 in my last two rounds--hit ALL the fairways and most of the
> greens. How did you do?
My last 4 rounds were: 71,71,69,74 averaging 12/14 fairways and 15
greens.
>From the looks of your post, you suck at turning FIRs to GIRs and/or
can't putt worth a shit. Maybe instead of wiping your ass with the
pages of Hogan's book, you should try reading it. Or better still, get
back on the tennis court and shag the balls...it's the one thing you
can manage to do without sounding like a retarded monkey.
Tex
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 09:59:09
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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Frank Ketchum wrote:
> "Frankenshank" <groovemeister747@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1156517453.648249.66470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
> >
> > It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
> > happens:
> >
> > AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
> > the target (takes a good deal of effort)
> > As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
> > hips and it feels like this gets
> > 90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
> > (the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
> > imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
> >
> > When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
> > in sync through impact.
> >
> > Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
> > specific point in the swing?
> >
>
> Yes, it is very important and I practice it. I have to pay attention to my
> plane though, because I tend to rotate with the weight shift like a baseball
> swing. I have to concentrate on "shaking hands" with the target which keeps
> my plane true. I also concentrate on accelerating the club through the
> impact area. Watch the pros, they do pretty much what you describe.
>
> Pay no attention to the advise of Larry unless you want to be a 25
> handicapper.
Yeah, it was almost verbatim from Hogan's "5 lessons." And I shot
76/78 in my last two rounds--hit ALL the fairways and most of the
greens. How did you do?
Larry
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:30:22
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1156525148.096079.286840@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>> Pay no attention to the advise of Larry unless you want to be a 25
>> handicapper.
>
> Yeah, it was almost verbatim from Hogan's "5 lessons." >
> Larry
What page??
Why not just look at the Cover Photograph of Hogan's "5 Lessons".
The shaft is leaning forward, the end points outside his body.
duh
Now what page were you quoting??
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 19:06:19
From: Frank Ketchum
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1156525148.096079.286840@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Yeah, it was almost verbatim from Hogan's "5 lessons." And I shot
> 76/78 in my last two rounds--hit ALL the fairways and most of the
> greens. How did you do?
>
Sounds like you need some serious putting /chipping practice.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:22:45
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:06:19 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<fketchum@earthlinknospaam.net > wrote:
>
>"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>news:1156525148.096079.286840@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it was almost verbatim from Hogan's "5 lessons." And I shot
>> 76/78 in my last two rounds--hit ALL the fairways and most of the
>> greens. How did you do?
>>
>
>Sounds like you need some serious putting /chipping practice.
He can't be believed about his scores. Well, anything else either.
>
___,
\o
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 01:41:26
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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In article <1156525148.096079.286840@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com >,
"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> Frank Ketchum wrote:
> > "Frankenshank" <groovemeister747@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1156517453.648249.66470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
> > >
> > > It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
> > > happens:
> > >
> > > AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
> > > the target (takes a good deal of effort)
> > > As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
> > > hips and it feels like this gets
> > > 90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
> > > (the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
> > > imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
> > >
> > > When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
> > > in sync through impact.
> > >
> > > Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
> > > specific point in the swing?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, it is very important and I practice it. I have to pay attention to my
> > plane though, because I tend to rotate with the weight shift like a baseball
> > swing. I have to concentrate on "shaking hands" with the target which keeps
> > my plane true. I also concentrate on accelerating the club through the
> > impact area. Watch the pros, they do pretty much what you describe.
> >
> > Pay no attention to the advise of Larry unless you want to be a 25
> > handicapper.
>
> Yeah, it was almost verbatim from Hogan's "5 lessons." And I shot
> 76/78 in my last two rounds--hit ALL the fairways and most of the
> greens. How did you do?
Would that 76 be any more honest than the last 76 you claimed to have
shot (which was posted as a 78)?
<URL:http://idcreports.com/members/member.html?k=s&p=psearch&MBRNBR=56847
0 >
Looks like your last posted scores were:
8/10/2006 H 089
08/05/2006 A 083
08/03/2006 H 078
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 09:41:07
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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larryrsf wrote:
> Frankenshank wrote:
> > Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
> >
> > It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
> > happens:
> >
> > AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
> > the target (takes a good deal of effort)
> > As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
> > hips and it feels like this gets
> > 90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
> > (the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
> > imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
> >
> > When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
> > in sync through impact.
> >
> > Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
> > specific point in the swing?
> >
> > FrankenShank
>
> The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
> as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
> middle -- and arms neither leading nor lagging behind our chest. Your
> club and arms will be 'synchronized' with your body turn.
Your arms and hands are never in the same position at impact as
address. I thought you were a SLAP guy? They clearly show this to be
true.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:34:29
From: Frank Ketchum
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"Frankenshank" <groovemeister747@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1156517453.648249.66470@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
>
> It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
> happens:
>
> AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
> the target (takes a good deal of effort)
> As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
> hips and it feels like this gets
> 90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
> (the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
> imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
>
> When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
> in sync through impact.
>
> Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
> specific point in the swing?
>
Yes, it is very important and I practice it. I have to pay attention to my
plane though, because I tend to rotate with the weight shift like a baseball
swing. I have to concentrate on "shaking hands" with the target which keeps
my plane true. I also concentrate on accelerating the club through the
impact area. Watch the pros, they do pretty much what you describe.
Pay no attention to the advise of Larry unless you want to be a 25
handicapper.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 09:18:06
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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glfnaz wrote:
> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> news:1156520767.368487.316200@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
> > as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
> > middle -- and arms neither leading nor lagging behind our chest. Your
> > club and arms will be 'synchronized' with your body turn.
> > Larry
>
> I really hoping your are kidding or joking.
> Address alignments and impact alignments of the arms and shaft are very
> different.
> You should re-read your copy of SLAP, or buy the Golfing Machine, or visit
> your local PGA Pro before typing things which are very destructive. Slap
> alone explains that in a good impact position, the grip end of the shaft
> will be 5-7 inches closer to the target than at address.
> A clubshaft pointing to your middle at impact is a classic sign of:--
> * The club decelerating
> * Loss of lag
> * A clubhead past low point
> * A high handicapper
Speak of "stupid," and one pipes up. Whew!
Later
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 09:48:01
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1156522686.351962.194650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>> news:1156520767.368487.316200@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> > The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
>> > as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
>> > middle -- and arms neither leading nor lagging behind our chest. Your
>> > club and arms will be 'synchronized' with your body turn.
>> > Larry
>>
>> I really hoping your are kidding or joking.
>> Address alignments and impact alignments of the arms and shaft are very
>> different.
>> You should re-read your copy of SLAP, or buy the Golfing Machine, or
>> visit
>> your local PGA Pro before typing things which are very destructive. Slap
>> alone explains that in a good impact position, the grip end of the shaft
>> will be 5-7 inches closer to the target than at address.
>> A clubshaft pointing to your middle at impact is a classic sign of:--
>> * The club decelerating
>> * Loss of lag
>> * A clubhead past low point
>> * A high handicapper
>
> Speak of "stupid," and one pipes up. Whew!
>
> Later
>
More personal attacks from Larry.
Just admit you were wrong. It's good for your character.
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 00:34:29
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:48:01 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>>
>> Speak of "stupid," and one pipes up. Whew!
>>
>> Later
>>
>
>More personal attacks from Larry.
>Just admit you were wrong. It's good for your character.
Larry doesn't like personal attacks. He has repeatedly told us what
he thinks about people who make them.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 18:12:39
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:5n5ve2tm94dgnfdcktvhqr1us31b52gpnu@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:48:01 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Speak of "stupid," and one pipes up. Whew!
>>>
>>> Later
>>>
>>
>>More personal attacks from Larry.
>>Just admit you were wrong. It's good for your character.
>
> Larry doesn't like personal attacks. He has repeatedly told us what
> he thinks about people who make them.
Howard.
Did you leave your brain at home today?
I didn't make personal attacks.
He did.
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 01:31:42
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:12:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>> Larry doesn't like personal attacks. He has repeatedly told us what
>> he thinks about people who make them.
>
>Howard.
>Did you leave your brain at home today?
I don't think so.
>I didn't make personal attacks.
>He did.
We appear to be in agreement here.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 18:37:55
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:429ve29hm350s89l4ov907c2cirsslbb2k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:12:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Larry doesn't like personal attacks. He has repeatedly told us what
>>> he thinks about people who make them.
>>
>>Howard.
>>Did you leave your brain at home today?
>
> I don't think so.
>
>>I didn't make personal attacks.
>>He did.
>
> We appear to be in agreement here.
Ok
I thought you were saying I did.
I'll call off the hit man.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 20:57:53
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:37:55 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>
>"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
>news:429ve29hm350s89l4ov907c2cirsslbb2k@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:12:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Larry doesn't like personal attacks. He has repeatedly told us what
>>>> he thinks about people who make them.
>>>
>>>Howard.
>>>Did you leave your brain at home today?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>>
>>>I didn't make personal attacks.
>>>He did.
>>
>> We appear to be in agreement here.
>
>Ok
>I thought you were saying I did.
>I'll call off the hit man.
>
Damn. Lost another contract.
___,
\o
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 03:18:42
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:12:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>
> "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
> news:5n5ve2tm94dgnfdcktvhqr1us31b52gpnu@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:48:01 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Speak of "stupid," and one pipes up. Whew!
> >>>
> >>> Later
> >>>
> >>
> >>More personal attacks from Larry.
> >>Just admit you were wrong. It's good for your character.
> >
> > Larry doesn't like personal attacks. He has repeatedly told us what
> > he thinks about people who make them.
>
> Howard.
> Did you leave your brain at home today?
Objection: assuming facts not in evidence.
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 01:37:38
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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In article <1156522686.351962.194650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
> > "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> > news:1156520767.368487.316200@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > > The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
> > > as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
> > > middle -- and arms neither leading nor lagging behind our chest. Your
> > > club and arms will be 'synchronized' with your body turn.
> > > Larry
> >
> > I really hoping your are kidding or joking.
> > Address alignments and impact alignments of the arms and shaft are very
> > different.
> > You should re-read your copy of SLAP, or buy the Golfing Machine, or visit
> > your local PGA Pro before typing things which are very destructive. Slap
> > alone explains that in a good impact position, the grip end of the shaft
> > will be 5-7 inches closer to the target than at address.
> > A clubshaft pointing to your middle at impact is a classic sign of:--
> > * The club decelerating
> > * Loss of lag
> > * A clubhead past low point
> > * A high handicapper
>
> Speak of "stupid," and one pipes up. Whew!
>
> Later
Wow, Larry. Is that a personal attack?
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 08:46:07
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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Frankenshank wrote:
> Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
>
> It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
> happens:
>
> AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
> the target (takes a good deal of effort)
> As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
> hips and it feels like this gets
> 90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
> (the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
> imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
>
> When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
> in sync through impact.
>
> Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
> specific point in the swing?
>
> FrankenShank
The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
middle -- and arms neither leading nor lagging behind our chest. Your
club and arms will be 'synchronized' with your body turn.
So do the "L to L" drill as described in Hogan's book--- start with a
middle iron and just swing it back and forth-- keeping your upper arms
"glued" to your rib cage. then start hitting balls like that--
unconcerned with distance but paying close attention to direction.
You should be able to hit a long iron accurately to a short target--
little line drives with a 3i, for instance. That requres you to stay
in synch.
The weight shift from back leg to front will happen naturally as your
hips turn to support your swinging arms and turning chest-- The weight
shift is NOT something we do consciously. You should consciously make
your arms lead and let the rest just happen--EXACTLY as in a baseball
swing.
But be smart enough to notice that at one point as you increase your
swing effort level--you will lose the required synchronization-- and
the ball will start spraying off the target line-- THAT is the maximum
effort level you should play with if you want to play the fairways and
hit greens. Accuracy in golf is very simple, swing harder than the
level with which you can maintain syncronization-- and you will play
the tree line and be fishing them out of the lake. You will look
stupid. Realize that everyone "could" hit it farther-- but we choose
to hit it straight instead.
Larry
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 09:15:31
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1156520767.368487.316200@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
> as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
> middle -- and arms neither leading nor lagging behind our chest. Your
> club and arms will be 'synchronized' with your body turn.
> Larry
I really hoping your are kidding or joking.
Address alignments and impact alignments of the arms and shaft are very
different.
You should re-read your copy of SLAP, or buy the Golfing Machine, or visit
your local PGA Pro before typing things which are very destructive. Slap
alone explains that in a good impact position, the grip end of the shaft
will be 5-7 inches closer to the target than at address.
A clubshaft pointing to your middle at impact is a classic sign of:--
* The club decelerating
* Loss of lag
* A clubhead past low point
* A high handicapper
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Date: 28 Aug 2006 01:37:05
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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In article <1156520767.368487.316200@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> Frankenshank wrote:
> > Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
> >
> > It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
> > happens:
> >
> > AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
> > the target (takes a good deal of effort)
> > As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
> > hips and it feels like this gets
> > 90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
> > (the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
> > imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
> >
> > When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
> > in sync through impact.
> >
> > Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
> > specific point in the swing?
> >
> > FrankenShank
>
> The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
> as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
> middle -- and arms neither leading nor lagging behind our chest. Your
> club and arms will be 'synchronized' with your body turn.
1. This is simply untrue. Your arms can return to the precise position
you had at address and if they returned there via the wrong path you'll
hit it way off line.
2. In a good golf swing, you aren't trying to have your arms return to
the same position they were in at address.
Please feel free to carry on with your misinformation now.
>
> So do the "L to L" drill as described in Hogan's book--- start with a
> middle iron and just swing it back and forth-- keeping your upper arms
> "glued" to your rib cage. then start hitting balls like that--
> unconcerned with distance but paying close attention to direction.
> You should be able to hit a long iron accurately to a short target--
> little line drives with a 3i, for instance. That requres you to stay
> in synch.
>
> The weight shift from back leg to front will happen naturally as your
> hips turn to support your swinging arms and turning chest-- The weight
> shift is NOT something we do consciously. You should consciously make
> your arms lead and let the rest just happen--EXACTLY as in a baseball
> swing.
My weight shift isn't very conscious, I agree, but I am very conscious
of getting my left side (I'm right-handed) to be "firm" at impact with
my hips having rotated after a small amount of slide. I don't really
need to think to much about my chest and arms being in sync -- for me
that happens pretty much automatically, but I can have that happening
both to early in relation to the lower body moves (in which case, I hook
it), or too late (and get a fade/slice).
Different people find different things about the golf swing come easily
to them and other things come more difficultly. Your one-size-fits-all
approach only reflects your rather narrow view of the world.
>
> But be smart enough to notice that at one point as you increase your
> swing effort level--you will lose the required synchronization-- and
> the ball will start spraying off the target line-- THAT is the maximum
> effort level you should play with if you want to play the fairways and
> hit greens. Accuracy in golf is very simple, swing harder than the
> level with which you can maintain syncronization-- and you will play
> the tree line and be fishing them out of the lake. You will look
> stupid. Realize that everyone "could" hit it farther-- but we choose
> to hit it straight instead.
On the contrary for me. When I try and hit it too softly, that's when
I'm likely to make a bad swing. When I use a bit more effort and get my
lower body driving, I hit my 3 wood 250+.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 23:06:44
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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On 25 Aug 2006 07:50:53 -0700, "Frankenshank"
<groovemeister747@aol.com > wrote:
>Something I've been working (experimenting?) with lately.
>
>It seems that I hit my best shots (irons especially) when the following
>happens:
>
>AT the top of the backswing, start the left hip back (slide?) towards
>the target (takes a good deal of effort)
>As the hands near the outside of my right hip I aggresively TURN the
>hips and it feels like this gets
>90% of my weight onto the left side just before impact.
>(the image i have is that left hand coming down into impact hits an
>imaginary "gate" that then rotates the hips through impact quickly)
>
>When I do this correctly I get the feeling that everything has rotated
>in sync through impact.
>
>Anyone else think about or work on timing their "weight shift" for a
>specific point in the swing?
You may want to read George Knudson's "The Natural Golf Swing". He's
a big advocate of using weight shift to swing the club.
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:56:49
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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Tex wrote:
"Pay no attention," "you suck," "can't putt worth a shit," "wiping your
ass," "sounding like a retarded monkey".
>
> Tex
Yep, "TEX" wrote that diatribe and included that profanity-- which of
course reveals his low class and hateful attitude. Be sure to listen
to everything he says!
Larry
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:50:49
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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glfnaz wrote: >
> What page??
You RSG regulars are your own worst enemy--you destroy this forum.
You know, but ignore so you can spoil the thread with nitpicking, that
what I advised that guy is absolutely correct--it is what he should
work on. Nobody can dispute that if we return the clubhead to the ball
aligned as it was as address, aligned to the target, the ball will go
straight. Of course as we increase the swing speed the hands start to
lead the clubhead-- but that is unnecessary information for someone
wanting to simply understand the fundamentals of swinging in sync to
hit it straight.
I give up. This little thread is a perfect example of why nobody in
their right mind would seek information in RSG. Those who don't want
to argue, carp, and nitpick attack are long gone.
Larry
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 22:05:16
From: Stu D. Baker
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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larryrsf wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:>
>> What page??
>
> You RSG regulars are your own worst enemy--you destroy this forum.
Oh, the irony...
>
> You know, but ignore so you can spoil the thread with nitpicking, that
> what I advised that guy is absolutely correct--it is what he should
> work on.
You post was *not* an answer to the OP's question. Instead, you turned
it into another episode of "As the Secret Turns".
> Nobody can dispute that if we return the clubhead to the ball
> aligned as it was as address, aligned to the target, the ball will go
> straight.
I would further add that if we chip on the correct line to the correct
distance the ball will be very near if not in the hole. Same with
putting. How's that for indisputable? With my discovery, I'll be
shooting scores in the sixties!
What is disputable is your analysis of how the club is returned to the
ball. As you are so willing to earnestly put forth your theories of the
week, you should also be willing to earnestly defend them instead of
resorting to (shudder!) ad hominem attacks toward someone who calls you
on your error.
> Of course as we increase the swing speed the hands start to
> lead the clubhead-- but that is unnecessary information for someone
> wanting to simply understand the fundamentals of swinging in sync to
> hit it straight.
In other words, the OP should forget about what he is trying to
accomplish and consider doing it Larry's way? I see.
>
> I give up. This little thread is a perfect example of why nobody in
> their right mind would seek information in RSG. Those who don't want
> to argue, carp, and nitpick attack are long gone.
Are you not the "Nitpick King of RSG"? Just last week I believe you
were nit-picking a typo on the part of another RSGer. If nothing else
you are certainly the King of Embellishment. Some of my favorites:
>> I make a 130 degree turn and swat
>> it out of sight. On those swings I apparently get 130+ MPH clubhead
>> speed-- But so what?"
>> I play tournament golf.
> but I have
> come to understand the two different golf swings well enough to
> expound. Those who apply force to the handle with their lower hand
> fingers (leverage) are trying to manipulate the clubhead-- in the
> sincere and logical believe that pushing it with the lower hand speeds
> it up.
> Well, I might have reached a new plateau. Shot 82 yesterday and today
> 38/38 for 76. I really doubt I will shoot over 80 from now on. My
> handicap just dropped to 11.0.
> I now feel my left hand pushing instead of my right hand pulling (Bobby
> Jones) but what I do now or ever did is not "hand manipulation," which
> you apparently mean some sort of racketball -type wristing. I mean
> simply the particular arm and side that is powering the swing by the
> turning of my torso which powers my arms. I changed because I was
> frustrated-- because as a lefty, totally left-side dominated athlete, I
> could not do the Bobby Jones thing consistently. Now with my dominant
> left (side) in charge I can make that sucker go where I want it to go.
> It is fun to trap a ball, first envision the divot that will happen
> after the ball position, then make it happen. I am "right this time"
> because my scores have fallen rapidly; my handicap is 8 and shortly to
> be in the middle or low single digits.
> I shot 76 yesterday
> from the tips on our two hardest nines, slope 127. That was not a
> fluke-- I realistically expect to shoot in the 70s every time out--
> but no better because I am not going to play rounds more often than
> weekly--consequently I will never be able to pitch and chip it close
> enough to one-putt. But I will always break 80 because my ONLY goal
> is to hit it straight.
> That previous score [a 76] was posted [as a 78] by a buddy--
> and I am not going to change it!
> my
> club has a Handicap Committee that audits all scorecards. Does yours?
> I repeated what our pro said when he watched the result. He quits
>> teaching when the results are achieved, why tinker with the trivia?
>> If it flies straight and goes to the target--what else is there? He
>> watched me hit a 2-iron off a tight lie 210 to the target and said
>> "only a handful of golfers in this club can do that."
>
> Larry
>
--
Stu
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 12:55:45
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Weight "shift" timing
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"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1156528249.325014.63990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:>
>> What page??
>
> You RSG regulars are your own worst enemy--you destroy this forum.
>
> You know, but ignore so you can spoil the thread with nitpicking, that
> what I advised that guy is absolutely correct--it is what he should
> work on. Nobody can dispute that if we return the clubhead to the ball
> aligned as it was as address, aligned to the target, the ball will go
> straight. Of course as we increase the swing speed the hands start to
> lead the clubhead-- but that is unnecessary information for someone
> wanting to simply understand the fundamentals of swinging in sync to
> hit it straight.
>
> I give up. This little thread is a perfect example of why nobody in
> their right mind would seek information in RSG. Those who don't want
> to argue, carp, and nitpick attack are long gone.
>
> Larry
>
You should give up.
You said yo return the clubshaft pointing to your middle, as in address.
Here-- let me quote you~~~~~~~
" The ball goes straight if our arms are in the same position at impact
> > as they were at address, with the club shaft still pointing at our
> > middle -- "
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