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Date: 25 Sep 2006 00:57:46
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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I've worn glasses since my early teens. It was only far vision correction
until 12 years ago when I had to go the bifocal route. Since then I have
always worn 'progressive lenses' bifocals (no line - continual change
between near and far vision portions) and have never had a problem (that I
am aware of) with them in any sport, including tennis. But when I changed I
was not playing golf (restarted my golf career in 2002, well into the
bifocal era). FWIW, I am basically legally blind (vision much worse than
20/400) without glasses.
Back some time ago (maybe 18 months) as an experiment I found a pair of old,
single vision lenses from the early 90's. I could see OK with them, but
could tell that they were not quite right. So I wore them at the range one
day and was shocked at the result. Not only could I literally not put the
clubhead onto the golf ball, I could not even keep from falling down on my
follow through (and I have a pretty smooth/easy swing with good balance).
This is not an exaggeration and it was an astounding experience - I could
not hit the ball and could not keep my feet on the follow-through.
I finally decided that what was going on is that at the top of my swing, my
nose blocks my view of the ball through my right eye (I am RH'ed and my
dominant eye is my right). It was the left eye vision correction that was
wrong in these old glasses and it was that sudden shift to only that eye
seeing the ball that caused the problem. That was my deduction, anyway. I
never tried it again, but ever since have been kind of petrified at the
thought of changing my prescription.
So it has been a while since my last eye doc appointment and I will
definitely need to be doing that - particularly since this morning I broke
my frames and had to fix it with my clubbuilding epoxy (doubt that will last
long). Back in 2001/2 I had a new pair of glasses made and a 'matching' pair
of sunglasses (also bifocals - progressive lenses). I'll swear that in my
last dor's visit there was no prescription change, but maybe I'm wrong
about that. Regardless, the old sunglasses (which I almost never wore)
seemed fine for today while I was waiting for the epoxy to set.
Went to the range today and started my usual routine of some stretches and
then some full swing, but very easy, PW'es to get going. First one fat
(first swing, so what). Second one fat (damn). Third one fat (what the
crap). Fourth one fat (what the hell is going on). Fifth one fat (Oh My God
..)
Then I remembered a couple of months ago it was real bright and I decided to
put on the sunglasses (been at least a year since they had been out of the
case - don't recall ever using them on the course). It was a warm-up before
playing session and I hit a couple of balls fat and just put them back in
the case because I didn't want that uncertainty during the round. But truly
thought nothing of it at the time.
Now, of course, they are the only glasses I've got. Recalling my earlier
experiment and conclusion I started swinging with my right eye closed. It
was kind of a pain in the butt and not very natural, but certainly not hard
to do (basically no adjustment time - worked on the first swing). And the
fats went away instantly and I had an OK, but not great, full swing session.
Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in that
I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and so
I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out there.
Thanks.
dave
ps. A very good question to ask (on the first tee) a competitor who uses
this one eye technique is "do you open that eye before or after impact" :-)
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 21:22:55
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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I wear progressives. I tried doing the simple (non progressive) option in a
pair of frames this past summer... BAD. I though I'd have a pair of golf
glasses... to no avail. What I found was that there was much more angle
distortion at the edges of the lenses than with progressives. That's
because the Rx goes all the way to the edge of the lens. In progressives,
there are 3 sharp small focal points, but the Rx gets much weaker as you go
to the edges of the lens... but that lesser correction also means less angle
distortion.
Translation... when putting, with progressives, the hole is pretty much in
the same place with glasses as without glasses. With the non progressive
lens there was like a 6 foot shift between where the hole actually was
(using no glasses) vs. where it looked with the glasses.
I heaved the regular lenses and had my guy put a set of progressives into
those frames as well.
--Tom
"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
news:eQFRg.5828$UG4.3885@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I've worn glasses since my early teens. It was only far vision correction
> until 12 years ago when I had to go the bifocal route. Since then I have
> always worn 'progressive lenses' bifocals (no line - continual change
> between near and far vision portions) and have never had a problem (that I
> am aware of) with them in any sport, including tennis. But when I changed
> I
> was not playing golf (restarted my golf career in 2002, well into the
> bifocal era). FWIW, I am basically legally blind (vision much worse than
> 20/400) without glasses.
>
> Back some time ago (maybe 18 months) as an experiment I found a pair of
> old,
> single vision lenses from the early 90's. I could see OK with them, but
> could tell that they were not quite right. So I wore them at the range one
> day and was shocked at the result. Not only could I literally not put the
> clubhead onto the golf ball, I could not even keep from falling down on my
> follow through (and I have a pretty smooth/easy swing with good balance).
> This is not an exaggeration and it was an astounding experience - I could
> not hit the ball and could not keep my feet on the follow-through.
>
> I finally decided that what was going on is that at the top of my swing,
> my
> nose blocks my view of the ball through my right eye (I am RH'ed and my
> dominant eye is my right). It was the left eye vision correction that was
> wrong in these old glasses and it was that sudden shift to only that eye
> seeing the ball that caused the problem. That was my deduction, anyway. I
> never tried it again, but ever since have been kind of petrified at the
> thought of changing my prescription.
>
> So it has been a while since my last eye doc appointment and I will
> definitely need to be doing that - particularly since this morning I broke
> my frames and had to fix it with my clubbuilding epoxy (doubt that will
> last
> long). Back in 2001/2 I had a new pair of glasses made and a 'matching'
> pair
> of sunglasses (also bifocals - progressive lenses). I'll swear that in my
> last dor's visit there was no prescription change, but maybe I'm wrong
> about that. Regardless, the old sunglasses (which I almost never wore)
> seemed fine for today while I was waiting for the epoxy to set.
>
> Went to the range today and started my usual routine of some stretches and
> then some full swing, but very easy, PW'es to get going. First one fat
> (first swing, so what). Second one fat (damn). Third one fat (what the
> crap). Fourth one fat (what the hell is going on). Fifth one fat (Oh My
> God
> ..)
>
> Then I remembered a couple of months ago it was real bright and I decided
> to
> put on the sunglasses (been at least a year since they had been out of the
> case - don't recall ever using them on the course). It was a warm-up
> before
> playing session and I hit a couple of balls fat and just put them back in
> the case because I didn't want that uncertainty during the round. But
> truly
> thought nothing of it at the time.
>
> Now, of course, they are the only glasses I've got. Recalling my earlier
> experiment and conclusion I started swinging with my right eye closed. It
> was kind of a pain in the butt and not very natural, but certainly not
> hard
> to do (basically no adjustment time - worked on the first swing). And the
> fats went away instantly and I had an OK, but not great, full swing
> session.
>
> Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in
> that
> I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and
> so
> I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
> response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out
> there.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
> ps. A very good question to ask (on the first tee) a competitor who uses
> this one eye technique is "do you open that eye before or after impact"
> :-)
>
>
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:29:16
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:ObGRg.24$zY4.6@newsfe12.lga...
> I wear progressives. I tried doing the simple (non progressive) option in
a
> pair of frames this past summer... BAD. I though I'd have a pair of golf
> glasses... to no avail. What I found was that there was much more angle
> distortion at the edges of the lenses than with progressives. That's
> because the Rx goes all the way to the edge of the lens. In progressives,
> there are 3 sharp small focal points, but the Rx gets much weaker as you
go
> to the edges of the lens... but that lesser correction also means less
angle
> distortion.
>
> Translation... when putting, with progressives, the hole is pretty much in
> the same place with glasses as without glasses. With the non progressive
> lens there was like a 6 foot shift between where the hole actually was
> (using no glasses) vs. where it looked with the glasses.
>
> I heaved the regular lenses and had my guy put a set of progressives into
> those frames as well.
>
> --Tom
>
Very interesting - thanks.
dave
>
> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
> news:eQFRg.5828$UG4.3885@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > I've worn glasses since my early teens. It was only far vision
correction
> > until 12 years ago when I had to go the bifocal route. Since then I have
> > always worn 'progressive lenses' bifocals (no line - continual change
> > between near and far vision portions) and have never had a problem (that
I
> > am aware of) with them in any sport, including tennis. But when I
changed
> > I
> > was not playing golf (restarted my golf career in 2002, well into the
> > bifocal era). FWIW, I am basically legally blind (vision much worse than
> > 20/400) without glasses.
> >
> > Back some time ago (maybe 18 months) as an experiment I found a pair of
> > old,
> > single vision lenses from the early 90's. I could see OK with them, but
> > could tell that they were not quite right. So I wore them at the range
one
> > day and was shocked at the result. Not only could I literally not put
the
> > clubhead onto the golf ball, I could not even keep from falling down on
my
> > follow through (and I have a pretty smooth/easy swing with good
balance).
> > This is not an exaggeration and it was an astounding experience - I
could
> > not hit the ball and could not keep my feet on the follow-through.
> >
> > I finally decided that what was going on is that at the top of my swing,
> > my
> > nose blocks my view of the ball through my right eye (I am RH'ed and my
> > dominant eye is my right). It was the left eye vision correction that
was
> > wrong in these old glasses and it was that sudden shift to only that eye
> > seeing the ball that caused the problem. That was my deduction, anyway.
I
> > never tried it again, but ever since have been kind of petrified at the
> > thought of changing my prescription.
> >
> > So it has been a while since my last eye doc appointment and I will
> > definitely need to be doing that - particularly since this morning I
broke
> > my frames and had to fix it with my clubbuilding epoxy (doubt that will
> > last
> > long). Back in 2001/2 I had a new pair of glasses made and a 'matching'
> > pair
> > of sunglasses (also bifocals - progressive lenses). I'll swear that in
my
> > last dor's visit there was no prescription change, but maybe I'm
wrong
> > about that. Regardless, the old sunglasses (which I almost never wore)
> > seemed fine for today while I was waiting for the epoxy to set.
> >
> > Went to the range today and started my usual routine of some stretches
and
> > then some full swing, but very easy, PW'es to get going. First one fat
> > (first swing, so what). Second one fat (damn). Third one fat (what the
> > crap). Fourth one fat (what the hell is going on). Fifth one fat (Oh My
> > God
> > ..)
> >
> > Then I remembered a couple of months ago it was real bright and I
decided
> > to
> > put on the sunglasses (been at least a year since they had been out of
the
> > case - don't recall ever using them on the course). It was a warm-up
> > before
> > playing session and I hit a couple of balls fat and just put them back
in
> > the case because I didn't want that uncertainty during the round. But
> > truly
> > thought nothing of it at the time.
> >
> > Now, of course, they are the only glasses I've got. Recalling my earlier
> > experiment and conclusion I started swinging with my right eye closed.
It
> > was kind of a pain in the butt and not very natural, but certainly not
> > hard
> > to do (basically no adjustment time - worked on the first swing). And
the
> > fats went away instantly and I had an OK, but not great, full swing
> > session.
> >
> > Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in
> > that
> > I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and
> > so
> > I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
> > response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out
> > there.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > dave
> >
> > ps. A very good question to ask (on the first tee) a competitor who uses
> > this one eye technique is "do you open that eye before or after impact"
> > :-)
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 18:10:37
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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Can you wear contacts or are you a candidate for surgery?
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 01:22:31
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote in message
news:1159146637.806903.70660@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Can you wear contacts or are you a candidate for surgery?
>
I wore contacts in college (all four years) and a few years after that. I
honestly don't care how good they are, I will NEVER wear them again. I do
have a special problem in that my eyelids (according to my eye dor from a
few years back) are exceptionally tight to my eyes.
I'm also not sure how contacts change the equation and I do recall the
experience of my old tennis partner who tried to go to bifocal contacts. I
believe these worked by correcting one eye for near and the other for far.
He couldn't hit a volley to save his life and ended up with a different set
of contacts for tennis.
I used to say "Bill - got your tennis contacts on". It was a hoot watching
him try to hit a low volley.
Laser surgery - not comfortable with that yet. Was seriously considering
that until the experience of a good golfing buddy who had his eyes done
early this year - and again in the spring and again in the summer. He's done
talking to dors and is now negotiating with the dor's business
manager.
I know that others have had success, but ...
dave
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 11:35:46
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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Dave Lee wrote:
> I've worn glasses since my early teens. It was only far vision correction
> until 12 years ago when I had to go the bifocal route. Since then I have
> always worn 'progressive lenses' bifocals (no line - continual change
> between near and far vision portions) and have never had a problem (that I
> am aware of) with them in any sport, including tennis. But when I changed I
> was not playing golf (restarted my golf career in 2002, well into the
> bifocal era). FWIW, I am basically legally blind (vision much worse than
> 20/400) without glasses.
>
> Back some time ago (maybe 18 months) as an experiment I found a pair of old,
> single vision lenses from the early 90's. I could see OK with them, but
> could tell that they were not quite right. So I wore them at the range one
> day and was shocked at the result. Not only could I literally not put the
> clubhead onto the golf ball, I could not even keep from falling down on my
> follow through (and I have a pretty smooth/easy swing with good balance).
> This is not an exaggeration and it was an astounding experience - I could
> not hit the ball and could not keep my feet on the follow-through.
>
> I finally decided that what was going on is that at the top of my swing, my
> nose blocks my view of the ball through my right eye (I am RH'ed and my
> dominant eye is my right). It was the left eye vision correction that was
> wrong in these old glasses and it was that sudden shift to only that eye
> seeing the ball that caused the problem. That was my deduction, anyway. I
> never tried it again, but ever since have been kind of petrified at the
> thought of changing my prescription.
>
> So it has been a while since my last eye doc appointment and I will
> definitely need to be doing that - particularly since this morning I broke
> my frames and had to fix it with my clubbuilding epoxy (doubt that will last
> long). Back in 2001/2 I had a new pair of glasses made and a 'matching' pair
> of sunglasses (also bifocals - progressive lenses). I'll swear that in my
> last dor's visit there was no prescription change, but maybe I'm wrong
> about that. Regardless, the old sunglasses (which I almost never wore)
> seemed fine for today while I was waiting for the epoxy to set.
>
> Went to the range today and started my usual routine of some stretches and
> then some full swing, but very easy, PW'es to get going. First one fat
> (first swing, so what). Second one fat (damn). Third one fat (what the
> crap). Fourth one fat (what the hell is going on). Fifth one fat (Oh My God
> ..)
>
> Then I remembered a couple of months ago it was real bright and I decided to
> put on the sunglasses (been at least a year since they had been out of the
> case - don't recall ever using them on the course). It was a warm-up before
> playing session and I hit a couple of balls fat and just put them back in
> the case because I didn't want that uncertainty during the round. But truly
> thought nothing of it at the time.
>
> Now, of course, they are the only glasses I've got. Recalling my earlier
> experiment and conclusion I started swinging with my right eye closed. It
> was kind of a pain in the butt and not very natural, but certainly not hard
> to do (basically no adjustment time - worked on the first swing). And the
> fats went away instantly and I had an OK, but not great, full swing session.
>
> Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in that
> I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and so
> I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
> response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out there.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
> ps. A very good question to ask (on the first tee) a competitor who uses
> this one eye technique is "do you open that eye before or after impact" :-)
>
>
Dave, there is always a "breaking in" period when I get a new
prescription. It used to be up to 2 weeks to get comfortable with new
lenses, but now it's generally just a couple times out.
And FWIW, I have a pair of single-vision lenses (I wear progressives the
rest of the time) that I use for golf. They are a bit behind in terms
of prescription, but since they are the only specs I wear for golf, the
fact that there's a bit of a momentary adjustment when I put them on
doesn't matter.
There may be a difference with your sunglasses in terms of prescription,
or even in terms of where you're looking through the lenses. They have
trouble fitting me for convergence with my progressives; I can imagine a
similar difficulty if you're looking down at a ball, i.e., that you're
not getting convergence and there are, in essence, two images you're
having to reconcile.
Mike
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RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 19:52:31
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"Mike Dalecki" <mike@clubdor.com > wrote in message
news:4nqer4Fbkj2cU1@individual.net...
> Dave Lee wrote:
snip
> Dave, there is always a "breaking in" period when I get a new
> prescription. It used to be up to 2 weeks to get comfortable with new
> lenses, but now it's generally just a couple times out.
>
> And FWIW, I have a pair of single-vision lenses (I wear progressives the
> rest of the time) that I use for golf. They are a bit behind in terms
> of prescription, but since they are the only specs I wear for golf, the
> fact that there's a bit of a momentary adjustment when I put them on
> doesn't matter.
>
> There may be a difference with your sunglasses in terms of prescription,
> or even in terms of where you're looking through the lenses. They have
> trouble fitting me for convergence with my progressives; I can imagine a
> similar difficulty if you're looking down at a ball, i.e., that you're
> not getting convergence and there are, in essence, two images you're
> having to reconcile.
>
> Mike
snip
Mike - just curious. Can you hit the ball when wearing your regular glasses?
Thanks.
dave
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 11:19:05
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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Dave Lee wrote:
> "Mike Dalecki" <mike@clubdor.com> wrote in message
> news:4nqer4Fbkj2cU1@individual.net...
>> Dave Lee wrote:
> snip
>> Dave, there is always a "breaking in" period when I get a new
>> prescription. It used to be up to 2 weeks to get comfortable with new
>> lenses, but now it's generally just a couple times out.
>>
>> And FWIW, I have a pair of single-vision lenses (I wear progressives the
>> rest of the time) that I use for golf. They are a bit behind in terms
>> of prescription, but since they are the only specs I wear for golf, the
>> fact that there's a bit of a momentary adjustment when I put them on
>> doesn't matter.
>>
>> There may be a difference with your sunglasses in terms of prescription,
>> or even in terms of where you're looking through the lenses. They have
>> trouble fitting me for convergence with my progressives; I can imagine a
>> similar difficulty if you're looking down at a ball, i.e., that you're
>> not getting convergence and there are, in essence, two images you're
>> having to reconcile.
>>
>> Mike
>
> snip
>
> Mike - just curious. Can you hit the ball when wearing your regular glasses?
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
>
>
I've never tried it--perhaps I will this week.
Mike
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RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 10:08:42
From:
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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Wow!!! the best to you. I have read about there being "eye dors" out
there that
specialize in the optical needs of golfers.
you might seek one out, and see what
s/he has to offer in the way of help for your condition.
>m h o
> v =83e
=A0
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 16:09:23
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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<fiveiron@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:8288-4517F0FA-1734@storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
Wow!!! the best to you. I have read about there being "eye dors" out
there that
specialize in the optical needs of golfers.
you might seek one out, and see what
s/he has to offer in the way of help for your condition.
>m h o
> v fe
Now, Fivey. You need to be careful here with regards to posting useful
information. It could ruin your reputation here on RSG :-)
dave
ps. Thanks - I should consider this.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 07:10:39
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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Dave Lee wrote:
> I've worn glasses since my early teens. It was only far vision correction
> until 12 years ago when I had to go the bifocal route. Since then I have
> always worn 'progressive lenses' bifocals (no line - continual change
> between near and far vision portions) and have never had a problem (that I
> am aware of) with them in any sport, including tennis. But when I changed I
> was not playing golf (restarted my golf career in 2002, well into the
> bifocal era). FWIW, I am basically legally blind (vision much worse than
> 20/400) without glasses.
>
> Back some time ago (maybe 18 months) as an experiment I found a pair of old,
> single vision lenses from the early 90's. I could see OK with them, but
> could tell that they were not quite right. So I wore them at the range one
> day and was shocked at the result. Not only could I literally not put the
> clubhead onto the golf ball, I could not even keep from falling down on my
> follow through (and I have a pretty smooth/easy swing with good balance).
> This is not an exaggeration and it was an astounding experience - I could
> not hit the ball and could not keep my feet on the follow-through.
>
> I finally decided that what was going on is that at the top of my swing, my
> nose blocks my view of the ball through my right eye (I am RH'ed and my
> dominant eye is my right). It was the left eye vision correction that was
> wrong in these old glasses and it was that sudden shift to only that eye
> seeing the ball that caused the problem. That was my deduction, anyway. I
> never tried it again, but ever since have been kind of petrified at the
> thought of changing my prescription.
>
> So it has been a while since my last eye doc appointment and I will
> definitely need to be doing that - particularly since this morning I broke
> my frames and had to fix it with my clubbuilding epoxy (doubt that will last
> long). Back in 2001/2 I had a new pair of glasses made and a 'matching' pair
> of sunglasses (also bifocals - progressive lenses). I'll swear that in my
> last dor's visit there was no prescription change, but maybe I'm wrong
> about that. Regardless, the old sunglasses (which I almost never wore)
> seemed fine for today while I was waiting for the epoxy to set.
>
> Went to the range today and started my usual routine of some stretches and
> then some full swing, but very easy, PW'es to get going. First one fat
> (first swing, so what). Second one fat (damn). Third one fat (what the
> crap). Fourth one fat (what the hell is going on). Fifth one fat (Oh My God
> ..)
>
> Then I remembered a couple of months ago it was real bright and I decided to
> put on the sunglasses (been at least a year since they had been out of the
> case - don't recall ever using them on the course). It was a warm-up before
> playing session and I hit a couple of balls fat and just put them back in
> the case because I didn't want that uncertainty during the round. But truly
> thought nothing of it at the time.
>
> Now, of course, they are the only glasses I've got. Recalling my earlier
> experiment and conclusion I started swinging with my right eye closed. It
> was kind of a pain in the butt and not very natural, but certainly not hard
> to do (basically no adjustment time - worked on the first swing). And the
> fats went away instantly and I had an OK, but not great, full swing session.
>
> Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in that
> I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and so
> I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
> response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out there.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
> ps. A very good question to ask (on the first tee) a competitor who uses
> this one eye technique is "do you open that eye before or after impact" :-)
Can you see the ball on the tee or on the ground without glasses? I
wear progressives, but I look under them when addressing the ball, as I
don't need any vision correction at that short distance. You need to
keep your chin up to do this, but you should do that anyway to avoid
contact with your shoulder.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:20:27
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
snip
> Can you see the ball on the tee or on the ground without glasses? I
> wear progressives, but I look under them when addressing the ball, as I
> don't need any vision correction at that short distance. You need to
> keep your chin up to do this, but you should do that anyway to avoid
> contact with your shoulder.
>
That is an interesting twist on things. My current lenses are simply too big
to allow this (almost no space between my cheeks and the bottom of the
lenses). But "reverse reading glasses" - a very interesting thought. The
ball would be quite blurry for me, but I don't think that would be a
particular problem.
dave
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 06:59:46
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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> Laser surgery - not comfortable with that yet. Was seriously considering
> that until the experience of a good golfing buddy who had his eyes done
> early this year - and again in the spring and again in the summer. He's done
> talking to dors and is now negotiating with the dor's business
> manager.
>
> I know that others have had success, but ...
Apparently the key is to find a really good dor to do it. The way
they license it... it could be a total quack with only a little
trainging. You don't want that. I know maybe 3 or 4 people that have
had it and it was very successful for all of them. I don't know any
horror stories personally, but I know they do exist.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:15:58
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote in message
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>
>
> > Laser surgery - not comfortable with that yet. Was seriously considering
> > that until the experience of a good golfing buddy who had his eyes done
> > early this year - and again in the spring and again in the summer. He's
done
> > talking to dors and is now negotiating with the dor's business
> > manager.
> >
> > I know that others have had success, but ...
>
>
> Apparently the key is to find a really good dor to do it. The way
> they license it... it could be a total quack with only a little
> trainging. You don't want that. I know maybe 3 or 4 people that have
> had it and it was very successful for all of them. I don't know any
> horror stories personally, but I know they do exist.
>
Here is a twist for you. First of all I am very leery of any procedure that
supposedly can correct for both near and far vision, so any surgery that I
chose would correct far vision only. Being near sighted I can easily read
without my glasses as long as what I am reading is 14" or less from my face.
That said ....
I used to be an amateur astronomer and for some reason did not ever take it
up again after retiring. Maybe the fear is "aperture envy" (always wanting a
bigger scope) that I can no longer afford (retired and more careful with my
money). For me 'the fun' is finding objects (clusters, nebulae, galaxies,
etc). The methodology is to find a 'starting star' in the sky on your scope
and on the sky map (this would be a naked eye visible star). And then you
'star hop' from that point to whatever you are looking for, constantly going
back/forth between map and finder scope (or main scope eyepiece).
The only way to do this is with a small, faint, red led-light led flashlight
to illuminate the starmap (don't want to lose your night vision) and you
have to have your eyes almost against the starmap to see it. This, of
course, is no problem for someone near-sighted like me. And it is much more
convenient to look through the main scope eyepiece without the glasses
anyway.
If my far vision was corrected then there is no way that I could see my star
map without using glasses (or maybe with them for that matter). This would
be a significant convenience issue.
Another excuse for not getting laser surgery - or maybe I just don't want to
do it. Could probably buy a 20" Dobsonian reflector for the price of the
surgery. Yeah - that's it.
dave
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 07:18:55
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
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> Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in
> that
> I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and
> so
> I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
> response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out
> there.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave
>
Refraction is a MAJOR issue in making good contact with a golf ball about 5
feet away from your eyes where the tolerance for near perfect impact is
about 1/4". And of course eyeglasses are for the very purpose OF refracting
the light, bending the rays, hence "moving" the location of the object in
the line of vision in the same way that water refracts and "moves" a fish
"norther" to the observer. If a spear fisherman does not aim "south" of the
fish out in front of his boat he will come home empty.
Therefore when good impact is elusive and you do wear glasses and have to
aim "south" or "north" of the sweet spot of the ball in order to make
consistent contact, THEY are probably the culprit, NOT the swing.
George Hibbard
www.perfectimpact.com
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 16:26:41
From: RoR
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 07:18:55 -0400, "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:
>"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
>news:eQFRg.5828$UG4.3885@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in
>> that
>> I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and
>> so
>> I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
>> response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out
>> there.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> dave
>>
>
>
>Refraction is a MAJOR issue in making good contact with a golf ball about 5
>feet away from your eyes where the tolerance for near perfect impact is
>about 1/4". And of course eyeglasses are for the very purpose OF refracting
>the light, bending the rays, hence "moving" the location of the object in
>the line of vision in the same way that water refracts and "moves" a fish
>"norther" to the observer. If a spear fisherman does not aim "south" of the
>fish out in front of his boat he will come home empty.
Only because the plane of refraction is so far away from his eyes. If he were wearing
that same refractive plane, he would not need to make an adjustment.
>
>Therefore when good impact is elusive and you do wear glasses and have to
>aim "south" or "north" of the sweet spot of the ball in order to make
>consistent contact, THEY are probably the culprit, NOT the swing.
I see you still have not grasped the basics of optical correction in lenses and the way we
humans adapt to wearing corrective lenses.
Rick R
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 21:59:03
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"RoR" <rorider@gmail.default > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 07:18:55 -0400, "George Hibbard"
> <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote:
>
>>Therefore when good impact is elusive and you do wear glasses and have to
>>aim "south" or "north" of the sweet spot of the ball in order to make
>>consistent contact, THEY are probably the culprit, NOT the swing.
>
> I see you still have not grasped the basics of optical correction in
> lenses and the way we
> humans adapt to wearing corrective lenses.
>
> Rick R
>
>
>
I had to get new glasses when my frame broke earlier this year. My
prescription was not changed. When I picked up the new glasses and the
optician was inspecting my old ones she noted that THEY had been made wrong:
the distance from my nose to my right eye was shorter than to my left, but
the old glasses had the center of each lens equidistant from center. hence
the old glasses were actually mis-fitted.
The VERY FIRST TIME I had the new glasses on when hitting balls on the
range, all sense of struggle for good impact dissolved and I was making
better contact than I had been doing for the three years or so that I was
wearing the mis-made glasses.
My eyes DID NOT "get used" to the wrong ones: of course I could function,
but perfect impact on a ball five feet away within 1/2" is not so natural
with precision under these circumstances: it reminded me of a pupil I had
who COULD NOT HIT the ball AT ALL -- and later in his lesson he told me of
having diplopia (double vision); so we found out that by aiming 2" south of
the ball he could hit it dead center!
Spear fishermen DO NOT GET USED to the optical problem of the refraction of
the water. They must always adjust. HE had to adjust as well. My own
experience convinced me of the fact that we can not assume that the body and
eyes will automatically adjust.
Do this if you have glasses on: focus on something across the room and move
the glasses up and down in front of your eyes. Which image would you aim at
if you were shooting a gun or swinging a club at something out there a bit?
The one at the "top" of the moving images, or the one at the bottom, or some
other one? Because when you do move the lenses up and down, the image of
the stationary object moves.
George Hibbard
www.perfectimpact.com
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 16:23:41
From: RoR
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
>news:eQFRg.5828$UG4.3885@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> Anyone else have a similar experience? I find it kind of comforting in
>> that
>> I know that I've got to make an eye dor's appointment before long and
>> so
>> I now feel that I have a way around my feared 'prescription change
>> response'. But was wondering about other glasses wearing golfers out
>> there.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> dave
>>
>
>
Think about it. You see through your glasses. You have become accustomed to seeing
through your glasses. You will not have to make adjustments for your glasses, once you
get used to new Rx, that is, for any difference in where things are versus where they seem
to be. You are not viewing the world other than through your own eyes.
If you needed to make adjustments for where things actually are versus where you see them,
you couldn't grasp a penny or a dime without groping around. Grabbing a door handle would
be a clumsy experience, and stepping onto a train would be dangerous. Imagine a surgeon
needing to account for the differences when doing fine, delicate work.
If the floating feeling, or the movement of the image bothers you while wearing
progressives, as it does me, simply get single vision lenses for golf, as I have done, it
really does work.
They also make "golf glasses" with the reading correction in a very small outside corner
of the lens so you can see to write or read if needed. It's far enough to the side it
doesn't bother normal vision yet allows reading a rule book or writing a score.
Ask your optician.
Rick R
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:54:35
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote in message
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Nice to see you post again, George. I mostly lurk here and have wondered
how you (and your teaching) have been doing.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 15:56:08
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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Thank you. Doing fine: might need something to fix injury to left
shoulder...Otherwise same as always. People like to think of me as
cantankerous and critical.
Guess good things happen to bad people, -- is that how it goes?
"Herbert" <humphrey_herbert@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>
> "George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
> news:uWORg.9231$zF5.8712@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> Nice to see you post again, George. I mostly lurk here and have wondered
> how you (and your teaching) have been doing.
>
>
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 19:05:33
From: RoR
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:54:35 GMT, "Herbert" <humphrey_herbert@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>news:uWORg.9231$zF5.8712@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
>Nice to see you post again, George. I mostly lurk here and have wondered
>how you (and your teaching) have been doing.
>
Judge for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwfd7tc_E8&NR
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 15:57:12
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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That is not my swing. It is my attempt to do what Shauger said was the
Austin swing before I came to know better. I'll have MY swing posted and
available for viewing on the net in about a week when my camera gets back
from repair.
Stay tuned.
"RoR" <rorider@gmail.default > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:54:35 GMT, "Herbert"
> <humphrey_herbert@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"George Hibbard" <gh@perfectimpact.com> wrote in message
>>news:uWORg.9231$zF5.8712@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>Nice to see you post again, George. I mostly lurk here and have wondered
>>how you (and your teaching) have been doing.
>>
> Judge for yourself
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwfd7tc_E8&NR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 08:15:50
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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George Hibbard wrote:
something
> George Hibbard
> www.perfectimpact.com
============================
Hey George!
Where ya been for the past 5 months? We've missed you (that is the
singular we, not the collective we). Anyway, glad to hear from you.
Tell us what you've been up to.
I hope all is well in your life.
Your fan,
-annika1980
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 15:54:09
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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Hi, Bret. Still there yourself, I see. Same old same old, R&B, Annika,
etc.
Been writing and teaching. Producing new books and DVDs: one of each on the
REAL Mike Austin swing, and another in the tank "How to Teach Golf". (Those
who can't do, teach, right?)
Turns out it's the same as what I was already doing: the false one was not.
What subjects should I pay attention to?
George
"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> George Hibbard wrote:
>
> something
>
>> George Hibbard
>> www.perfectimpact.com
> ============================
>
> Hey George!
> Where ya been for the past 5 months? We've missed you (that is the
> singular we, not the collective we). Anyway, glad to hear from you.
> Tell us what you've been up to.
> I hope all is well in your life.
>
> Your fan,
> -annika1980
>
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 10:16:58
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Vision Correction and Golf (longish)
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George Hibbard wrote:
> Hi, Bret. Still there yourself, I see. Same old same old, R&B, Annika,
> etc.
>
> Been writing and teaching. Producing new books and DVDs: one of each on the
> REAL Mike Austin swing, and another in the tank "How to Teach Golf". (Those
> who can't do, teach, right?)
>
> Turns out it's the same as what I was already doing: the false one was not.
> What subjects should I pay attention to?
Why? I thought you knew everything already?
Just teasin.
I'd like to hear more about the REAL Mike Austin swing. Is this
different from the one he used?
The "How to Teach Golf" thing sounds interesting although I think Mike
Hebron has already covered most of that. Perhaps you could just take
Percy Boomer's epic, "On Learning Golf" and just reverse it?
I'm sure our mutual friend, The Oldest Member, would be very interested
in reading or watching what you come up with. He still practices every
day. Give him a call some evening if you have time. You can e-mail me
for his number if you don't have it.
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