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Date: 01 Sep 2006 02:23:51
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 ·
Caracas takes golf courses for housing
By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
Tuesday.
The city expropriations, which will likely generate new friction
between supporters and opponents of President Hugo Chavez, are part of
an ambitious government effort to provide more homes amid an acute
housing shortage that has driven up real estate prices.
Mayor Juan Barreto's office has ordered the "forced acquisition" of
two golf courses and will soon issue another decree expropriating a
third course in the ritzy hills of southern Caracas, city attorney
Juan Manuel Vadell told The Associated Press.
Vadell said the golf courses' owners have 30 days to appear before the
mayor's office, starting a negotiation period in which a commission
will eventually decide on fair compensation for the courses.
Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
(snip)
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 21:59:33
From: Captain America
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Captain Compassion wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
> >>built
> >>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
> >>
> >>
> >>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
> >>
> >>gotta be high rise projects
> >
> >What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
> >live in them. Even white americans.
>
> Apartment houses ain't homes.
>
A home is made by the people in whatever living space they have. Cmon,
Captain Compassion, where is the love?
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 08:19:20
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 31 Aug 2006 21:59:33 -0700, "Captain America"
<america.captain@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Captain Compassion wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
>> >>built
>> >>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
>> >>
>> >>gotta be high rise projects
>> >
>> >What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
>> >live in them. Even white americans.
>>
>> Apartment houses ain't homes.
>>
>
>A home is made by the people in whatever living space they have. Cmon,
>Captain Compassion, where is the love?
People ain't building the "homes" Chavez is.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:41:05
From: What, Me Worry?
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote in message
news:fqjgf2h25c3h0voiqr60b18a4vji7avhgs@4ax.com...
> On 31 Aug 2006 21:59:33 -0700, "Captain America"
> <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Captain Compassion wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>>> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
>>> >>built
>>> >>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
>>> >>
>>> >>gotta be high rise projects
>>> >
>>> >What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
>>> >live in them. Even white americans.
>>>
>>> Apartment houses ain't homes.
>>>
>>
>>A home is made by the people in whatever living space they have. Cmon,
>>Captain Compassion, where is the love?
>
> People ain't building the "homes" Chavez is.
What? Does Chavez have home-building commie robots?!?! That bastard!
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 21:40:26
From: Santolina chamaecyparissus
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Captain Compassion wrote:
>
> Sounds like Chavez is changing golf courses for slums. Ah Socialism.
>
Chavez is apparently against it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/30/AR2006083003150.
html
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=golfNews&storyID=2006-08-30T2
00408Z_01_N30202423_RTRIDST_0_VENEZUELA-POLITICS-GOLF.XML
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 22:18:39
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 31 Aug 2006 21:40:26 -0700, "Santolina chamaecyparissus"
<santolina@juno.com > wrote:
>
>Captain Compassion wrote:
>
>>
>> Sounds like Chavez is changing golf courses for slums. Ah Socialism.
>>
>
>Chavez is apparently against it:
>
So Chavez is a golfer? What's his handicap?
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/30/AR2006083003150.
>html
>
>http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=golfNews&storyID=2006-08-30T2
>00408Z_01_N30202423_RTRIDST_0_VENEZUELA-POLITICS-GOLF.XML
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 20:37:56
From: Gman
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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> What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
> live in them. Even white americans.
Only dark white ones...
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 20:29:40
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:23:51 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>
>Tuesday, August 29, 2006 ·
>
>Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>
>By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
>by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
>thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
>Tuesday.
>
>The city expropriations, which will likely generate new friction
>between supporters and opponents of President Hugo Chavez, are part of
>an ambitious government effort to provide more homes amid an acute
>housing shortage that has driven up real estate prices.
>
>Mayor Juan Barreto's office has ordered the "forced acquisition" of
>two golf courses and will soon issue another decree expropriating a
>third course in the ritzy hills of southern Caracas, city attorney
>Juan Manuel Vadell told The Associated Press.
>
>Vadell said the golf courses' owners have 30 days to appear before the
>mayor's office, starting a negotiation period in which a commission
>will eventually decide on fair compensation for the courses.
>
>Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
>on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>
That's about 316.246 sq. feet per home assuming that all homes are
packed together. Them Venezuelans must be damn small.
363 acres = 15,812,280 Sq feet / 50,000 homes = 316.246 sq feet per
home.
Sounds like Chavez is changing golf courses for slums. Ah Socialism.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 20:17:16
From: capri142@usa.com
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Capri wrote:
> >
> >
>
> You call 50,00 units packed into 300 acres an apartment house. LOL!
>
> not even close.........More like a rats nest
Or put it another way.
50,00 units on 363 acres.
these are supposed to be homes for families.
Lets say that there are an average of 4 people per unit.
thats 200,000 people on 363 acres!
there are approx 4800 sq/yds per acre.
which means...........less than 9 sq yd per person!
not including any buildings
Sure...............Just like living in an aparment house in Denver
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 03:59:20
From: Docky Wocky
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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That Hugo. He's so clever.
9 square yards apiece. And them peons don't even have to go up, yet, like in
the former, and rapidly returning, Soviet Union.
It will only take them hard working Venezuelans about 5 years to figure out
they've been had, but why disillusion them while their dictator is such a
huggable and loveable guy? They need to find out these thing for
themselves.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:40:02
From: What, Me Worry?
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net > wrote in message
news:seOJg.9245$4O4.4503@trnddc02...
> That Hugo. He's so clever.
He is a damned genius compared to the moronic Bush Jr.
> 9 square yards apiece. And them peons don't even have to go up, yet, like
> in the former, and rapidly returning, Soviet Union.
Arrogance and dogma is all you repugs have to offer.
> It will only take them hard working Venezuelans about 5 years to figure
> out they've been had, but why disillusion them while their dictator is
> such a huggable and loveable guy? They need to find out these thing for
> themselves.
Been had? Explain.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 18:38:00
From: olushola
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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But the alternative is worst. At least with Chavez the poor have a fighting chance to get something.
> 9 square yards apiece. And them peons don't even have to go up, yet, like in
> the former, and rapidly returning, Soviet Union.
>
> It will only take them hard working Venezuelans about 5 years to figure out
> they've been had, but why disillusion them while their dictator is such a
> huggable and loveable guy? They need to find out these thing for
> themselves.
>
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:38:00 GMT, "olushola"
<olushola@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>But the alternative is worst. At least with Chavez the poor have a fighting chance to get something.
>
What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>> 9 square yards apiece. And them peons don't even have to go up, yet, like in
>> the former, and rapidly returning, Soviet Union.
>>
>> It will only take them hard working Venezuelans about 5 years to figure out
>> they've been had, but why disillusion them while their dictator is such a
>> huggable and loveable guy? They need to find out these thing for
>> themselves.
>>
>>
>
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 04:54:15
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 2-Sep-2006, Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
> --
> "Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
>
> "There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
> whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
> impossible." -- Jack Vance
>
> "Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
>
> "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
>
> "Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
> --Will Durant
I bet your car looks like this too, plastered in bumper stickers.
"I have no thoughts of my own." - Captain Compassion
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 00:11:49
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 04:54:15 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote:
>
>On 2-Sep-2006, Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> --
>> "Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
>>
>> "There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
>> whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
>> impossible." -- Jack Vance
>>
>> "Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
>>
>> "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
>>
>> "Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
>> --Will Durant
>
>I bet your car looks like this too, plastered in bumper stickers.
>
Nope. The Captain is environmentally sensitive. Having stickers on my
bumper would decrease my milage from 8 MPG to 7.85 MPG.
>"I have no thoughts of my own." - Captain Compassion
Nothing is said that has not been said before" -- Terence, Roman
Dramatist (185 - 159 B.C.)
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06
From: JustinW
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>
>
North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:12:48
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com >
wrote:
>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
The "no true Scotsman" argument is consistently used by Communist
apologists.
But the problem with communism isn't its goals - it is because a
system that works hard to depower the powerful ends up getting rid of
competition for those who take over. The end result again and again
and again and again is despotism.
We are better off with multiple powers who have to compromise with
each other than with one power who controls everything.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:34:27
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:12:48 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>wrote:
>
>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>
>The "no true Scotsman" argument is consistently used by Communist
>apologists.
>
>But the problem with communism isn't its goals - it is because a
>system that works hard to depower the powerful ends up getting rid of
>competition for those who take over. The end result again and again
>and again and again is despotism.
>
>We are better off with multiple powers who have to compromise with
>each other than with one power who controls everything.
How about Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? They are two of America's
strongest allies.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com >
wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>
>
>
>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>
>>
>
>
>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>
>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>
Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
span.
The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
available in Castro's Cuba.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>
>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>
>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>span.
"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>available in Castro's Cuba.
Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
there.
American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>
>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>
>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>span.
>
>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>
Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>
>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>there.
>
Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>
>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>
>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>span.
>>
>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>
>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>
>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>there.
>>
>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>
>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>
>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>span.
>>>
>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>
>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>
>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>
>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>
Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
Cuba. The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>
>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>there.
>>>
>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>
>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>
Just so.
>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>span.
>>>>
>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>
>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>
>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>
>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>
>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>Cuba.
The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
trade with Cuba would be good business.
> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
odds stacked against them.
The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>there.
>>>>
>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>
>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>
>Just so.
>
>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>span.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>
>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>
>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>
>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>Cuba.
>
>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>
The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
business with Cuba. So does China.
>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>
>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>odds stacked against them.
>
>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>
Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>there.
>>>>>
>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>
>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>
>>Just so.
>>
>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>
>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>
>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>
>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>Cuba.
>>
>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>
>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>business with Cuba. So does China.
Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>
>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>odds stacked against them.
>>
>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>
>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
accountants.
>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>>
>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>
>>>Just so.
>>>
>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>
>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>Cuba.
>>>
>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>
>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>
>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>
Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
sugar and cigars.
Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>
>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>
>>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>
>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>
>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>
>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>accountants.
>
>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>Just so.
>>>>
>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>
>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>
>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>
>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>
>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>sugar and cigars.
>
>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
By Mary Murray Producer
NBC News
Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
...
>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>
>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>
>>>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>
>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>
>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>
>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>accountants.
>>
>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>
>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>
>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>
>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>
>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>sugar and cigars.
>>
>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>
>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>
>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>By Mary Murray Producer
>NBC News
>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>
>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>
>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>
>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>...
Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
6%. Seems they are #6.
http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>
>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>
>>>>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>
>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>
>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>
>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>accountants.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
--
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"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
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--Will Durant
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>
>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>
>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>
>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>
>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>
>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>By Mary Murray Producer
>>NBC News
>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>
>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>
>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>
>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>...
>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>6%. Seems they are #6.
>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
2002
The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
production.
http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
Demand in end-use markets
Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
air traffic.
Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
contrast, the battery market continues to offer strong growth, albeit
from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
hybrid electric vehicles.
World reserve base and production
The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>
>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>
>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>accountants.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:54:18
From: mr_antone
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
|
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>>
>>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>>
>>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>>
>>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>>
>>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>>
>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>>By Mary Murray Producer
>>>NBC News
>>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>>
>>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>>
>>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>>
>>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>>...
>>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>>6%. Seems they are #6.
>
>>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>2002
>
>The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
>Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
>production.
>
>http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
>Demand in end-use markets
>
>Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
>industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
>performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
>medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
>5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
>air traffic.
>
>Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
>alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
>contrast, the battery market continues to offer strong growth, albeit
>from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
>longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
>batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
>hybrid electric vehicles.
>World reserve base and production
>
>The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
>in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
>2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
>largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
>each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
>
>World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
>recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
>(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
>In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
>nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
>Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
>in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
Another recent find in Cuba has been oil and gas.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095881/
It would be sweet irony if Cuba became an oil exporter.
>
>>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>>accountants.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
Another urban myth.
Drug and sex trade is illegal in Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
mr_antone
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 16:53:12
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:54:18 -0500, mr_antone <mr_antone@ > wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>>>
>>>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>>>
>>>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>>>
>>>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>>>
>>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>>>By Mary Murray Producer
>>>>NBC News
>>>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>>>
>>>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>>>
>>>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>>>
>>>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>>>...
>>>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>>>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>>>6%. Seems they are #6.
>>
>>>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>>2002
>>
>>The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
>>Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
>>production.
>>
>>http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
>>Demand in end-use markets
>>
>>Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
>>industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
>>performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
>>medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
>>5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
>>air traffic.
>>
>>Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
>>alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
>>contrast, the battery market continues to offer strong growth, albeit
>>from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
>>longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
>>batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
>>hybrid electric vehicles.
>>World reserve base and production
>>
>>The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
>>in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
>>2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
>>largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
>>each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
>>
>>World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
>>recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
>>(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
>>In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
>>nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
>>Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
>>in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
>
>Another recent find in Cuba has been oil and gas.
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095881/
>
>It would be sweet irony if Cuba became an oil exporter.
Yes it would be. We will know in several years.
The embargo by the US has forced Cuba to become a world leader in the
conservation of oil. Many nations of the world are flocking there to
learn. The US (except California) is still "thinking" about these
issues while the rest of the world is starting to act upon them.
I wonder where the US will get the nickel needed in the batteries for
hybrid cars? Cuba is the only country that has untapped reserves. The
rest are running at capacity.
In a way, Cuba will have a grip on a few American short hairs. It's
payback time.
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>>>is a glut on the world market and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done remarkably well considering the
>>>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The recent trade of dors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>>>accountants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>
>Another urban myth.
>
>Drug and sex trade is illegal in Cuba.
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
>
>
>mr_antone
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 03:06:22
From: Taylor
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:o46ff2hgqe20lkpm8fkodjahfndfqr0dps@4ax.com...
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>
> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 ·
>
> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>
> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> Tuesday.
>
> The city expropriations, which will likely generate new friction
> between supporters and opponents of President Hugo Chavez, are part of
> an ambitious government effort to provide more homes amid an acute
> housing shortage that has driven up real estate prices.
>
> Mayor Juan Barreto's office has ordered the "forced acquisition" of
> two golf courses and will soon issue another decree expropriating a
> third course in the ritzy hills of southern Caracas, city attorney
> Juan Manuel Vadell told The Associated Press.
>
> Vadell said the golf courses' owners have 30 days to appear before the
> mayor's office, starting a negotiation period in which a commission
> will eventually decide on fair compensation for the courses.
>
> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>
> (snip)
>
Seems like something Hillary Clinton would do.
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 19:54:13
From: Capri
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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>
>
You call 50,00 units packed into 300 acres an apartment house. LOL!
not even close.........More like a rats nest
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23
From: capri142@usa.com
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
built
> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
That'd be 137 homes per acres.
gotta be high rise projects
there goes the neighborhood
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com >
wrote:
> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
>built
>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>
>
>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
>
>gotta be high rise projects
What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
live in them. Even white americans.
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 20:30:50
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
>wrote:
>
>> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
>>built
>>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>>
>>
>>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
>>
>>gotta be high rise projects
>
>What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
>live in them. Even white americans.
Apartment houses ain't homes.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 11:43:52
From: beber
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
>wrote:
>
>> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
>>built
>>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>>
>>
>>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
>>
>>gotta be high rise projects
>
>What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
>live in them. Even white americans.
I think they would be apartments; That works out to about 300 square
feet per. So most likely, the development would consist of apartments,
as streets and alleyways would take much of the space. Most likely,
Chavez is just appropriating the courses to piss off the rich, and get
a good knee slap out of the poor.
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 19:28:11
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>
> (snip)
Now those are the cocksuckers that need to be attacked!
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 21:13:32
From: multi
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 31 Aug 2006 19:28:11 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>>
>> (snip)
>
>Now those are the cocksuckers that need to be attacked!
I'm pretty sure Bush is way ahead of you.
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 21:32:21
From: What Me Worry?
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157077691.098175.60070@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>>
>> (snip)
>
> Now those are the cocksuckers that need to be attacked!
How dare they attempt to provide decent housing for the poor!
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 15:37:14
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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"What Me Worry?" <__@____.___ > wrote in message
news:dOednR_oXepG62XZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157077691.098175.60070@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>>> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
>>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>
>> Now those are the cocksuckers that need to be attacked!
>
> How dare they attempt to provide decent housing for the poor!
50,000 homes on 363 acres? I wouldnt call that decent.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 23:50:28
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 31 Aug 2006 19:28:11 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>>
>> (snip)
>
>Now those are the cocksuckers that need to be attacked!
Attacked? Why? This is democracy and the rule of law in action.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/01-09-2006/84195-Venezuela-golf-0
Venezuela: Chavez’s government protects private golf courses
The national administration objected to an order from the mayor of
Caracas to expropiate golf courses to build public housing.
...
Luis Martinez, Barreto's spokesman, said the mayor plans to move
forward with the two expropriations and is also preparing to seize a
third club, the Lagunita Country Club. Martinez said the next step in
the expropriation process will be a meeting between Barreto and the
club members. Barreto said the city would pay the clubs' owners "fair
value" for the golf course.
But Bareto was wrong. Probably after consulting his boss at the
Miraflores Presidential Palace, Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel
dissapointed Bareto saying that Hugo Chavez's government "does not
share the decision adopted by the mayor." According to Mr. Rangel, the
courts must rule on the seizures first.
...
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 04:56:52
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 2-Sep-2006, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
> But Bareto was wrong. Probably after consulting his boss at the
> Miraflores Presidential Palace, Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel
> dissapointed Bareto saying that Hugo Chavez's government "does not
> share the decision adopted by the mayor." According to Mr. Rangel, the
> courts must rule on the seizures first.
The course owners better hope Justice Souter doesn't do a cameo on the VSC!
:-)
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:27:19
From: Bert Hyman
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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xeton2001@yahoo.com (Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS) wrote in
news:o46ff2hgqe20lkpm8fkodjahfndfqr0dps@4ax.com:
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> Tuesday.
Why are there still any poor in the People's Paradise of Venezuela?
--
Bert Hyman
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 09:26:42
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Captain Compassion wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 06:41:00 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Captain Compassion wrote:
> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> >> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
> >> >>built
> >> >>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
> >> >>
> >> >>gotta be high rise projects
> >> >
> >> >What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
> >> >live in them. Even white americans.
> >>
> >> Apartment houses ain't homes.
> >
> >Really? What are they?
>
> Does the term "apartment home" make sense to you?
And the term "house home" makes MORE sense?
An apartment is a home, but it's not a house.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 09:24:29
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 04:35:32 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> >> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
> >>
> >> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 =B7
> >>
> >> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
> >>
> >> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
> >>
> >> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> >> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> >> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> >> Tuesday.
> >
> >WHAT? I thought socialist countries didn't have poor people!!
>
> America has lots of poor people and it's socialist as proven by all
> the corporate welfare bums we have running companies.
Obviously you have no clue what Socialism is.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 08:06:37
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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snippit..
Sounds like he is planning to do for Venezuela what the Peron's did for
Aregentia. In the end, the poor will suffer the most, but El Dick Tater
will feel like he is a big man and champion of the poor for a
while...and when the economy implodes, he can blame the evil
capitalists....
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 06:45:16
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Taylor wrote:
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:o46ff2hgqe20lkpm8fkodjahfndfqr0dps@4ax.com...
> >
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
> >
> > Tuesday, August 29, 2006 =B7
> >
> > Caracas takes golf courses for housing
> >
> > By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
> >
> > CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> > by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> > thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> > Tuesday.
> >
> > The city expropriations, which will likely generate new friction
> > between supporters and opponents of President Hugo Chavez, are part of
> > an ambitious government effort to provide more homes amid an acute
> > housing shortage that has driven up real estate prices.
> >
> > Mayor Juan Barreto's office has ordered the "forced acquisition" of
> > two golf courses and will soon issue another decree expropriating a
> > third course in the ritzy hills of southern Caracas, city attorney
> > Juan Manuel Vadell told The Associated Press.
> >
> > Vadell said the golf courses' owners have 30 days to appear before the
> > mayor's office, starting a negotiation period in which a commission
> > will eventually decide on fair compensation for the courses.
> >
> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
> > on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
> >
> > (snip)
> >
>
> Seems like something Hillary Clinton would do.
And what would be wrong with that? Suppose Chavez had destroyed a few
thousand housing units for poor people so somebody could build a golf
course? You'd probably applaud him for that, wouldn't you?
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 06:42:52
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Gman wrote:
> > What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
> > live in them. Even white americans.
>
>
> Only dark white ones...
My brother lives in an apt. house in Manhattan where you couldn't
afford to pay rent for one fucking day.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 06:41:00
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Captain Compassion wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
> >>built
> >>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
> >>
> >>
> >>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
> >>
> >>gotta be high rise projects
> >
> >What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
> >live in them. Even white americans.
>
> Apartment houses ain't homes.
Really? What are they?
>
>
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 08:22:40
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 1 Sep 2006 06:41:00 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Captain Compassion wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
>> >>built
>> >>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
>> >>
>> >>gotta be high rise projects
>> >
>> >What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
>> >live in them. Even white americans.
>>
>> Apartment houses ain't homes.
>
>Really? What are they?
Does the term "apartment home" make sense to you?
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 11:27:27
From: Dion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote in message
news:ftjgf2pavtpj6ik4u8qf3ng7o16vp3ij3b@4ax.com...
> On 1 Sep 2006 06:41:00 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Captain Compassion wrote:
> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:43:15 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> >> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 31 Aug 2006 19:35:23 -0700, "capri142@usa.com" <capri142@usa.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be
> >> >>built
> >> >>> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>That'd be 137 homes per acres.
> >> >>
> >> >>gotta be high rise projects
> >> >
> >> >What's wrong with apartment houses?. Tens of millions of americans
> >> >live in them. Even white americans.
> >>
> >> Apartment houses ain't homes.
> >
> >Really? What are they?
>
> Does the term "apartment home" make sense to you?
I'm still wondering why the English call them flats.
--
Dion
PEACE - Back by popular demand
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 04:47:48
From: alohacyberian
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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well, if its a high rise, then you'd have to know how many
floors....so, as usual, amercan arrogant speculation makes fools of
only themselves.
Golf courses and cemetaries, a big waste.
Captain Compassion wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:23:51 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
> >
> >Tuesday, August 29, 2006 =B7
> >
> >Caracas takes golf courses for housing
> >
> >By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
> >
> > CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> >by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> >thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> >Tuesday.
> >
> >The city expropriations, which will likely generate new friction
> >between supporters and opponents of President Hugo Chavez, are part of
> >an ambitious government effort to provide more homes amid an acute
> >housing shortage that has driven up real estate prices.
> >
> >Mayor Juan Barreto's office has ordered the "forced acquisition" of
> >two golf courses and will soon issue another decree expropriating a
> >third course in the ritzy hills of southern Caracas, city attorney
> >Juan Manuel Vadell told The Associated Press.
> >
> >Vadell said the golf courses' owners have 30 days to appear before the
> >mayor's office, starting a negotiation period in which a commission
> >will eventually decide on fair compensation for the courses.
> >
> >Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
> >on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
> >
> That's about 316.246 sq. feet per home assuming that all homes are
> packed together. Them Venezuelans must be damn small.
>
> 363 acres =3D 15,812,280 Sq feet / 50,000 homes =3D 316.246 sq feet per
> home.
>
> Sounds like Chavez is changing golf courses for slums. Ah Socialism.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
>
> "There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
> whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
> impossible." -- Jack Vance
>
> "Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
>
> "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
>
> "Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
> --Will Durant
>=20
> Joseph R. Darancette
> daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 04:35:32
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>
> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 =B7
>
> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>
> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> Tuesday.
WHAT? I thought socialist countries didn't have poor people!!
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:13:16
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 1 Sep 2006 04:35:32 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>>
>> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 ·
>>
>> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>>
>> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>>
>> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
>> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
>> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
>> Tuesday.
>
>WHAT? I thought socialist countries didn't have poor people!!
America has lots of poor people and it's socialist as proven by all
the corporate welfare bums we have running companies.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 04:35:02
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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capri142@usa.com wrote:
> Capri wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You call 50,00 units packed into 300 acres an apartment house. LOL!
> >
> > not even close.........More like a rats nest
>
>
>
> Or put it another way.
>
> 50,00 units on 363 acres.
>
> these are supposed to be homes for families.
>
> Lets say that there are an average of 4 people per unit.
>
> thats 200,000 people on 363 acres!
>
> there are approx 4800 sq/yds per acre.
>
> which means...........less than 9 sq yd per person!
>
> not including any buildings
Yeah, but once half of the tenants kick off from disease, you'll have
18 sq yd per person.
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Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:02:57
From:
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>
> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 =B7
>
> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>
> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> Tuesday.
>
> The city expropriations, which will likely generate new friction
> between supporters and opponents of President Hugo Chavez, are part of
> an ambitious government effort to provide more homes amid an acute
> housing shortage that has driven up real estate prices.
>
> Mayor Juan Barreto's office has ordered the "forced acquisition" of
> two golf courses and will soon issue another decree expropriating a
> third course in the ritzy hills of southern Caracas, city attorney
> Juan Manuel Vadell told The Associated Press.
>
> Vadell said the golf courses' owners have 30 days to appear before the
> mayor's office, starting a negotiation period in which a commission
> will eventually decide on fair compensation for the courses.
>
> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
>
> (snip)
That is way it should be and why giving to the corperate dick heads. no
wonder we are paying 3.25 dollars for gallon and 380 billions for Iraq
and 3000more to be counted. What a waste.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:45:37
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
.
>
>
> Actually doing something to care for the poor and lower income working
> class.
> DAMN those commie, pinko, liberals!!!!!
I bet this doesn't do a thing for the poor. Prolly put up condos and
penthouses.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:15:14
From: ZenIsWhen
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:o46ff2hgqe20lkpm8fkodjahfndfqr0dps@4ax.com...
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>
> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 ·
>
> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>
> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> Tuesday.
>
> The city expropriations, which will likely generate new friction
> between supporters and opponents of President Hugo Chavez, are part of
> an ambitious government effort to provide more homes amid an acute
> housing shortage that has driven up real estate prices.
>
> Mayor Juan Barreto's office has ordered the "forced acquisition" of
> two golf courses and will soon issue another decree expropriating a
> third course in the ritzy hills of southern Caracas, city attorney
> Juan Manuel Vadell told The Associated Press.
>
> Vadell said the golf courses' owners have 30 days to appear before the
> mayor's office, starting a negotiation period in which a commission
> will eventually decide on fair compensation for the courses.
>
> Barreto told state television as many as 50,000 homes would be built
> on 363 acres spanning the three golf courses.
Actually doing something to care for the poor and lower income working
class.
DAMN those commie, pinko, liberals!!!!!
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 06:28:14
From: bushlied
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Bert Hyman wrote:
> xeton2001@yahoo.com (Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS) wrote in
> news:o46ff2hgqe20lkpm8fkodjahfndfqr0dps@4ax.com:
>
> > CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> > by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> > thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> > Tuesday.
>
> Why are there still any poor in the People's Paradise of Venezuela?
>
> --
> Bert Hyman
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 06:27:02
From: bushlied
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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beber wrote:
>. Most likely,
> Chavez is just appropriating the courses to piss off the rich, and get
> a good knee slap out of the poor.
That's what I really like about the guy
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 18:11:01
From:
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>
> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 =B7
>
> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>
> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> Tuesday.
Chavez takes land from the rich to build houses for the poor, and Bush
takes land from the poor to build malls and office buildings for the
rich. Go figure.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20050219-092417-1856r.htm
BTW I'm against taking the land of ANYONE.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:35:09
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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The 1 1/2 year article is talking about state and local governments not the
Feds you dumb shit.
<zerge@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157332261.622713.88690@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
>
> Tuesday, August 29, 2006 ·
>
> Caracas takes golf courses for housing
>
> By FABIOLA SANCHEZ ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
>
> CARACAS, Venezuela -- Three major Caracas golf courses, long favored
> by the city's wealthy, are being expropriated to build housing for
> thousands of poor and middle class Venezuelans, officials said
> Tuesday.
Chavez takes land from the rich to build houses for the poor, and Bush
takes land from the poor to build malls and office buildings for the
rich. Go figure.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20050219-092417-1856r.htm
BTW I'm against taking the land of ANYONE.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 14:05:35
From:
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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capri142@usa.com wrote:
> Capri wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You call 50,00 units packed into 300 acres an apartment house. LOL!
> >
> > not even close.........More like a rats nest
>
>
>
> Or put it another way.
>
> 50,00 units on 363 acres.
>
> these are supposed to be homes for families.
>
> Lets say that there are an average of 4 people per unit.
>
> thats 200,000 people on 363 acres!
>
> there are approx 4800 sq/yds per acre.
>
> which means...........less than 9 sq yd per person!
>
> not including any buildings
>
> Sure...............Just like living in an aparment house in Denver
Do you have even a clue about what you are saying? Do the math again.
363 acres =3D 15,812,280 sq-ft
50,000 one-level units would have an average area of 316 sq-ft
If the same 50,000 were distributed over six levels, the average unit
could be 1896 sq-ft
Lower that number for building construction space and streets and you
would still probably have an area as large or larger than the average
rental apartment built in the US in 1999; 1105 sq-ft according to
buildings.com
(http://www.buildings.com/Articles/detailBuildings.asp?ArticleID=3D3244).
IOW, a housing project of six-story apartment houses could easily
accommodate 50,000 units on 363 acres with apartment sizes comparable
to those in the US.
I can also assume you are unfamiliar with the housing project known as
LeFrak City in Queens, NY. Here is a description:
"LeFrak City is a large housing development in Corona, Queens (in New
York City) built in the mid-1960s for working and middle-class
families. The complex of twenty eighteen-story (technically
sixteen-story, since the lobbies are the 2nd floors and there are no
13th floors) apartment towers covers 40 acres (162,000 m=B2) and
currently houses over 14,000 people. The development is also served by
playgrounds, tennis courts, a swimming pool, a branch of the Queens
Borough Public Library, a post office, two large office buildings,
retail space, and over 3,500 parking spaces. The complex is named for
its developer, Samuel J. LeFrak."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeFrak_City,_Queens)
If you don't think the Venezuelan project is doable, then you're wrong.
But it's moot point anyway since the government requires court
approval before the land could be appropriated.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:19:23
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On 3 Sep 2006 14:05:35 -0700, saroman0414@gmail.com wrote:
>capri142@usa.com wrote:
>> Capri wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > You call 50,00 units packed into 300 acres an apartment house. LOL!
>> >
>> > not even close.........More like a rats nest
>>
>>
>>
>> Or put it another way.
>>
>> 50,00 units on 363 acres.
>>
>> these are supposed to be homes for families.
>>
>> Lets say that there are an average of 4 people per unit.
>>
>> thats 200,000 people on 363 acres!
>>
>> there are approx 4800 sq/yds per acre.
>>
>> which means...........less than 9 sq yd per person!
>>
>> not including any buildings
>>
>> Sure...............Just like living in an aparment house in Denver
>
>Do you have even a clue about what you are saying? Do the math again.
>
>363 acres = 15,812,280 sq-ft
>
>50,000 one-level units would have an average area of 316 sq-ft
>
>If the same 50,000 were distributed over six levels, the average unit
>could be 1896 sq-ft
>
>Lower that number for building construction space and streets and you
>would still probably have an area as large or larger than the average
>rental apartment built in the US in 1999; 1105 sq-ft according to
>buildings.com
>(http://www.buildings.com/Articles/detailBuildings.asp?ArticleID=3244).
>
>IOW, a housing project of six-story apartment houses could easily
>accommodate 50,000 units on 363 acres with apartment sizes comparable
>to those in the US.
>
>I can also assume you are unfamiliar with the housing project known as
>LeFrak City in Queens, NY. Here is a description:
>
>"LeFrak City is a large housing development in Corona, Queens (in New
>York City) built in the mid-1960s for working and middle-class
>families. The complex of twenty eighteen-story (technically
>sixteen-story, since the lobbies are the 2nd floors and there are no
>13th floors) apartment towers covers 40 acres (162,000 m²) and
>currently houses over 14,000 people. The development is also served by
>playgrounds, tennis courts, a swimming pool, a branch of the Queens
>Borough Public Library, a post office, two large office buildings,
>retail space, and over 3,500 parking spaces. The complex is named for
>its developer, Samuel J. LeFrak."
>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeFrak_City,_Queens)
>
>If you don't think the Venezuelan project is doable, then you're wrong.
> But it's moot point anyway since the government requires court
>approval before the land could be appropriated.
Good post.
BTW, more Americans get their land appropriated under eminent domain
than in Venezuela. It is mostly done for private companies who want to
make shopping malls and parking lots and golf courses and not for the
public good such as making affordable housing.
"People who live in glass houses......."
http://www.castlecoalition.org/current_controversies/index.html
Current Controversies
Hardworking Americans nationwide are fighting tooth and nail to save
their homes and small businesses from eminent domain for private
development. Community activists, concerned citizens and property
owners are waging these battles everywhere from the courts to local
town meetings. The Castle Coalition is keeping a close eye on these
controversies, and we encourage you to do the same with our up-to-date
summaries on this page.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 08:28:41
From: Echelon
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:23:51 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1102AP_Venezuela_No_Golf.html
Why Chavez is right.
Golf course development is becoming one of the major threats to the
environment and human rights
By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian
South Buckinghamshire needs another golf course like eighteen holes in
the head. Fairways are creeping across the county like a noxious green
mold; already, within a ten-mile radius of the village of Penn Street,
near High Wycombe, 100 courses have been built. Now a property
developer wants to convert one of the region’s last semi-natural
habitats, the venerable Penn Wood, into the 101st, and the locals have
had enough. A massive campaign has persuaded the government to review
the planning inspector’s recommendation in favour of the course. The
developer’s attempts to clear some of the trees for fairways ahead of
the government’s decision have so incensed local people, that, in this
most genteel corner of the British countryside, there are rumblings of
bloody revolution.
Golf is not only one of the daftest games humanity has ever had the
witlessness to devise, it is also turning into a social and
environmental problem of gigantic proportions. The world already
possesses an astonishing 25,000 golf courses, covering an area the
size of Belgium. Yet golf course construction is now one of the
principal causes of land use change worldwide. It’s not hard to see
why: thanks to broadcasters’ incomprehensible enthusiasm for
televising tournaments, the number of golfers on earth has been rising
by around 20 per cent a year.
Golf tourism is booming, especially in the Third World, where green
fees are often far lower than in Europe and the United States, and no
one dares to laugh at red trousers and tartan caps. The proliferation
of courses in the South is great news for golfers, and disastrous news
for everyone else. Peasant farmers are deprived of vast tracts of
productive land, rivers and aquifers are shrivelling up, pesticides
threaten both medical and ecological calamity.
While local people mutter about a golf war in Buckinghamshire, in
other parts of the world it has started already. Last year, in the
Vietnamese village of Kim No, peasant farmers set light to a truck and
two bulldozers belonging to the company trying to turn their land and
livelihoods into an 18-hole course. In Mexico, at least two people
have been shot dead and dozens wounded, as police have fired at
peaceful demonstrations against plans to turn part of the El Tepozteco
National Park into a golf course.
Like many of the world’s most destructive and unpopular courses, the
El Tepozteco development was designed by a company run by Jack
Niklaus, once the world’s most celebrated champion golfer. Niklaus’s
disregard for human rights and the environment is notorious. His
company has even collaborated with the military government of Burma to
build a course for army officers and government officials.
All over the developing world, the construction of golf courses is
accompanied by forcible dispossession. The Thai campaigner Anita
Pleumarom has compiled scores of cases of golf course developers using
coercive purchase to deprive farmers of their lands. Typically, the
developers buy up a ring of land around the site, depriving the people
inside it of the right to leave or enter their homes. One old lady was
told, “If you don’t sell voluntarily, you’ll have to buy a helicopter,
because whenever you go out, we’ll sue you.”
It’s hard to imagine a scene more alien to the geography of South-East
Asia, Central America, Hawaii or India, all of which are being
blighted for the benefit of this preposterous pastime, than the stark
uniformity of a landscape modelled on the dunes of Scotland. Not only
does the land need be torn apart and reassembled to mimic the pastoral
simplicity of the British coastline, but this artificial wilderness
needs an astonishing amount of control to ensure that it doesn’t
revert to the ecosystem from which it was ripped. An eighteen-hole
golf course requires up to 800,000 gallons of water a day to keep it
green – enough to supply a town of 15,000 people. In Rizal province in
the Phillippines, a golf course is being built right over a drainage
basin supplying tens of thousands of people. Construction is going
ahead despite two cease-and-desist orders from the department of
environment.
Golf courses use seven times as many chemicals per acre as intensive
farmland. A study by the Golf Superintendents Association of America
discovered a horrifying rate of cancer deaths among its former
members. For greenkeepers, caddies and even the players in countries
where environmental regulations are virtually non-existent, the risks
are even higher.
Golf is a pox upon the planet, a plague of naffness devised by the
British to torment the rest of the world. Those of us who are yet to
be infected must do everything we can to stamp it out. We don’t have
to go far to make a start. Next time you see a golf course, take a
walk across it. It might just spoil a good game.
--
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Bush Blair Howard Condoleeza Rumsfeld Cheney Saddam
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