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Date: 23 Aug 2006 08:31:20
From: Ken Brown
Subject: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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Has anyone successfully used heat to adjust the loft and lie on hard
to bend cast irons?
I know that I will have to re-epoxy the shaft to the head.
I have been trying to change the loft and lie on the 2 iron from 19*
to 20, the 4 from 25* to 24, and the 6 from 33* to 32*. After an hour
and a half, I seem to have accomplished it, but it was so much
trouble, I hate to go back and double check my work in case the steel
has memory and goes back to its original loft.
I've had a Mitchell loft and lie machine for years so am not totally
inexperienced, but I lost my nerve a little when I broke a Cleveland 3
iron from a different set several years ago.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 06:42:10
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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Ken Brown wrote:
> Has anyone successfully used heat to adjust the loft and lie on hard
> to bend cast irons?
>
> I know that I will have to re-epoxy the shaft to the head.
>
> I have been trying to change the loft and lie on the 2 iron from 19*
> to 20, the 4 from 25* to 24, and the 6 from 33* to 32*. After an hour
> and a half, I seem to have accomplished it, but it was so much
> trouble, I hate to go back and double check my work in case the steel
> has memory and goes back to its original loft.
>
> I've had a Mitchell loft and lie machine for years so am not totally
> inexperienced, but I lost my nerve a little when I broke a Cleveland 3
> iron from a different set several years ago.
Seems like a lot of work for 1 degree. Are you scratch?
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 14:26:11
From: Howard U. Dewing
Subject: Re: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Ken Brown wrote:
>
>>Has anyone successfully used heat to adjust the loft and lie on hard
>>to bend cast irons?
>>
>>I know that I will have to re-epoxy the shaft to the head.
>>
>>I have been trying to change the loft and lie on the 2 iron from 19*
>>to 20, the 4 from 25* to 24, and the 6 from 33* to 32*. After an hour
>>and a half, I seem to have accomplished it, but it was so much
>>trouble, I hate to go back and double check my work in case the steel
>>has memory and goes back to its original loft.
>>
>>I've had a Mitchell loft and lie machine for years so am not totally
>>inexperienced, but I lost my nerve a little when I broke a Cleveland 3
>>iron from a different set several years ago.
>
>
> Seems like a lot of work for 1 degree. Are you scratch?
>
No kidding. And why have just a 4* spread among 2-3-4? Isn't the 3 at 21*?
--
Howard U. Dewing
I made up this name. It was a choice between this and Watson deMehneux.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 10:40:58
From: Ken Brown
Subject: Re: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:26:11 GMT, "Howard U. Dewing"
<sample@sample.net > wrote:
>Larry Bud wrote:
>> Ken Brown wrote:
>>
>>>Has anyone successfully used heat to adjust the loft and lie on hard
>>>to bend cast irons?
>>>
>>>I know that I will have to re-epoxy the shaft to the head.
>>>
>>>I have been trying to change the loft and lie on the 2 iron from 19*
>>>to 20, the 4 from 25* to 24, and the 6 from 33* to 32*. After an hour
>>>and a half, I seem to have accomplished it, but it was so much
>>>trouble, I hate to go back and double check my work in case the steel
>>>has memory and goes back to its original loft.
>>>
>>>I've had a Mitchell loft and lie machine for years so am not totally
>>>inexperienced, but I lost my nerve a little when I broke a Cleveland 3
>>>iron from a different set several years ago.
>>
>>
>> Seems like a lot of work for 1 degree. Are you scratch?
No. I'm just one of those people who obsesses over trifles.
I only want to carry seven irons to cover the spread from 20* through
44* so that can I carry four wedges and two woods or three wedges and
three woods. If I left the 2 iron @ 19* and the 4 iron @ 25*, I would
have a 6* spread. I have my numbered irons 4* apart, which for me
translates to about 12 yards apart when my swing is right. I have my
wedges 5* apart (so I can carry four through 64*) which makes them
about 15 yards apart. I figure 6* degrees with my swing would be about
18 yards apart. I used to have my wedges @ 48*, 54*, and 60* degrees
and the gaps seemed too wide.
Besides, I think it is even more important for someone with a lousy
swing like mine to have as much precision in their equipment as
possible to control the variables that they can. I've heard a story
that Sam Snead got tired of being told by reporters that part of the
reason he was such a great golfer was that he had superior equipment.
He challenged a reporter who was a golfer to a match where Snead would
use a tree limb that he had carved and sanded to the shape of a golf
club and the reporter used real golf clubs. Snead made his point by
winning the match.
>No kidding. And why have just a 4* spread among 2-3-4? Isn't the 3 at 21*?
I don't carry a 3 iron in this set. I like to have my irons set up @
20*, 24*, 28* etc. regardless of the number on the club. I bent my 2
iron from 19* to 20* because it was easier than bending the 3 from 22*
to 20*. And for some reason, it always seems easier to weaken a club
rather than strengthen it.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 11:57:29
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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> >>>I've had a Mitchell loft and lie machine for years so am not totally
> >>>inexperienced, but I lost my nerve a little when I broke a Cleveland 3
> >>>iron from a different set several years ago.
> >>
> >>
> >> Seems like a lot of work for 1 degree. Are you scratch?
>
> No. I'm just one of those people who obsesses over trifles.
I'm not a club builder. What's the accuracy of the Mitchell loft
machine? If it's +/- 0.5 degrees or worse, there's no point in the
exercise.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 21:44:49
From:
Subject: Re: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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>No.
>I'm just one of those people who >obsesses over trifles.
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good luck, half the fun is in the going, enjoy it while you can.
procrastinating is the forerunner of apathy.
if you think the metal is being affected by "memory", it's
possible(spring steel), and did you make an allowance for it initially?
1=B0 is usually a manufacturer's tolerance factor. You might have to
resort to trial and error to get - it just right.
"everyone should have a hobby"
>mho
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 11:26:29
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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Larry Bud wrote:
>>>>>I've had a Mitchell loft and lie machine for years so am not totally
>>>>>inexperienced, but I lost my nerve a little when I broke a Cleveland 3
>>>>>iron from a different set several years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Seems like a lot of work for 1 degree. Are you scratch?
>>
>>No. I'm just one of those people who obsesses over trifles.
>
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> I'm not a club builder. What's the accuracy of the Mitchell loft
> machine? If it's +/- 0.5 degrees or worse, there's no point in the
> exercise.
>
Loft and lie machines are for bending, not for measuring! The scale
on a Mitchell machine (and most others) is for initially setting the
hosel to a vertical position so that a relative bend can be performed.
Although somewhat agricultural, the Mitchell machine is by far the best
for initial readings. Absolute measurements should ALWAYS be checked on
an accurately calibrated loft/lie gauge.
cheers
david
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 07:42:39
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Using heat to adjust the loft and lie on CLeveland 588 blades
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david s-a wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> >>>>>I've had a Mitchell loft and lie machine for years so am not totally
> >>>>>inexperienced, but I lost my nerve a little when I broke a Cleveland 3
> >>>>>iron from a different set several years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Seems like a lot of work for 1 degree. Are you scratch?
> >>
> >>No. I'm just one of those people who obsesses over trifles.
> >
> >
> > I'm not a club builder. What's the accuracy of the Mitchell loft
> > machine? If it's +/- 0.5 degrees or worse, there's no point in the
> > exercise.
> >
> Loft and lie machines are for bending, not for measuring! The scale
> on a Mitchell machine (and most others) is for initially setting the
> hosel to a vertical position so that a relative bend can be performed.
Thanks, got it.
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