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Date: 23 Aug 2006 16:18:50
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.

Date: 23 Aug 2006 23:00:12
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

I like your other biennial rant better...............No matter how much
I scrub my vagina, it still attracts stray cats.

Date: 23 Aug 2006 18:47:18
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
> to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
> the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
> we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
> wins.
>

Hell yes. Why would anyone root for america, the leading terror and
torture nation in the world.? Only the perverts hope america wins.

Date: 24 Aug 2006 03:32:33
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>
>> I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
>> to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
>> the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
>> we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
>> wins.
>
> Hell yes. Why would anyone root for america, the leading terror and
> torture nation in the world.? Only the perverts hope america wins.

I know you're half trolling, but in truth your logic is just
as bad as that of the jingos. Blaming golfers for this sort
of thing is just more nationalistic idiocy. Don't.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 24 Aug 2006 04:52:36
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:32:33 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>>
>>> I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
>>> to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
>>> the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
>>> we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
>>> wins.
>>
>> Hell yes. Why would anyone root for america, the leading terror and
>> torture nation in the world.? Only the perverts hope america wins.
>
>I know you're half trolling, but in truth your logic is just
>as bad as that of the jingos. Blaming golfers for this sort
>of thing is just more nationalistic idiocy.

You're the illogical one. Nobody is blaming golfers for what our govt
is doing.

Date: 23 Aug 2006 18:44:49
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

dsc wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> > > I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
> > > vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
> > > aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
> > > COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>
>
> DUH... announcers at most amateur events get paid while the
> participants don't... so what's the big deal? It's not like they are
> setting some kind of precedent. :)

Hey stupid. Tiger is not an amateur. I don't think phil is either.

Date: 23 Aug 2006 15:22:30
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
> to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
> the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
> we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
> wins.

I like all of the US team and I won=B4t turn against them because I was
lucky enough to be born in Europe, the most advanced continent in our
troubled world. I just hope everyone playes well and we see some
exciting matches. Of course I want Europe to win - but not with a great
margin. Ideally it should be down to the last putt on the last green in
the last group. I root for Europe but I think that this time US are
strong favourites. May the best man win. F

Date: 23 Aug 2006 21:22:47
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
> vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
> aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
> COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.

I'm sick of the players looking at the Ryder Cup as work. It
was far better when the Ryder Cup was about golfers playing for
the cameraderie and their own enjoyment, and not an overhyped
overexploited nationalistic jingofest.

I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
wins.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 23 Aug 2006 19:23:18
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
>>vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
>>aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
>>COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>
>
> I'm sick of the players looking at the Ryder Cup as work. It
> was far better when the Ryder Cup was about golfers playing for
> the cameraderie and their own enjoyment, and not an overhyped
> overexploited nationalistic jingofest.
>
> I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
> to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
> the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
> we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
> wins.
>

Well said, Chris.

Unfortunmately the Ryder Cup has gone through an overblown hype fest in
the media the past decade or more, where jingoism counts more than
cameraderie and enjoyment.

I hope for a good match, sportsman like conduct, and that the best team
wins.

David

Date: 23 Aug 2006 23:46:11
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:4l46b6F724gU1@individual.net...
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
>>>vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
>>>aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
>>>COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>>
>>
>> I'm sick of the players looking at the Ryder Cup as work. It
>> was far better when the Ryder Cup was about golfers playing for
>> the cameraderie and their own enjoyment, and not an overhyped
>> overexploited nationalistic jingofest.
>>
>> I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
>> to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
>> the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
>> we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
>> wins.
>>
>
> Well said, Chris.
>
> Unfortunmately the Ryder Cup has gone through an overblown hype fest in
> the media the past decade or more, where jingoism counts more than
> cameraderie and enjoyment.

I do not recall the media being guilty of jingoism. Care to site any
examples of this?

Fans, on the other hand, have been quite out of hand showing their jingoism
at times. Of course it's always convenient to blame the media, but if all
they're doing is reporting on what the fans are doing, isn't that their job?

Randy

Date: 24 Aug 2006 06:32:20
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:
> "David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:4l46b6F724gU1@individual.net...
>
>>Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>
>>>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
>>>>vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
>>>>aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
>>>>COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sick of the players looking at the Ryder Cup as work. It
>>>was far better when the Ryder Cup was about golfers playing for
>>>the cameraderie and their own enjoyment, and not an overhyped
>>>overexploited nationalistic jingofest.
>>>
>>>I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
>>>to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
>>>the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
>>>we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
>>>wins.
>>>
>>
>>Well said, Chris.
>>
>>Unfortunmately the Ryder Cup has gone through an overblown hype fest in
>>the media the past decade or more, where jingoism counts more than
>>cameraderie and enjoyment.
>
>
>
> I do not recall the media being guilty of jingoism. Care to site any
> examples of this?

Just read some of the US and British rags at Ryder Cup time.

David

Date: 25 Aug 2006 00:39:38
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:4l5dhlFb408U1@individual.net...
> "R&B" wrote:
>> "David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:4l46b6F724gU1@individual.net...
>>
>>>Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>>
>>>>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
>>>>>vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
>>>>>aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
>>>>>COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm sick of the players looking at the Ryder Cup as work. It
>>>>was far better when the Ryder Cup was about golfers playing for
>>>>the cameraderie and their own enjoyment, and not an overhyped
>>>>overexploited nationalistic jingofest.
>>>>
>>>>I like most of the Euro team and I'll be damned if I'm going
>>>>to turn against them because I was lucky enough to be born in
>>>>the United States. I just hope that everyone plays well and
>>>>we see some fun matches. I really don't care much which team
>>>>wins.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well said, Chris.
>>>
>>>Unfortunmately the Ryder Cup has gone through an overblown hype fest in
>>>the media the past decade or more, where jingoism counts more than
>>>cameraderie and enjoyment.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not recall the media being guilty of jingoism. Care to site any
>> examples of this?
>
> Just read some of the US and British rags at Ryder Cup time.

Hmmmm. Well, we may just have to agree to disagree here, David. But go
with me on this and see if you don't see a little bit of truth to a somewhat
different take on it...

Jingoism, if I understand the term correctly, is an overt attempt to convey
the thought that "our country is better than yours." It is more of a
political statement, if you will. "Our country is great, yours sucks."

The press on both sides of the pond may very well be homers, just like the
Dallas Morning News will cover the NFL from the perspective of a Dallas
Cowboys fan, just as the Miami Herald would cover the NFL from a Miami
Dolphins perspective, and so on. Similarly, the Atlanta
Journal-Constipation predictably gives a pro-Atlanta Braves slant to their
coverage of Major League Baseball just as I'm sure the L.A. Times gives a
pro-L.A. Dodgers spin to their coverage of MLB.

But just like the Dallas Morning News wouldn't say in their sports section,
"Dallas is a better place to live than Philadelphia" (even though it is), I
don't see sportswriters that cover the Ryder Cup portraying their countries
as somehow superior to the land(s) from which the opposing Ryder Cup team
hails. They just give more favorable coverage to the "home" team. I don't
see anything unusual or wrong with that, and it most certainly is not
"jingoism." It's just being a homer, and every sportswriter in the world
who covers a local beat is guilty of it.

Homerism isn't quite the same thing as jingoism. It's just what
sportswriters everywhere in the world do, regardless of what sport they're
writing about. There's nothing nationalistic (or "city-istic") about it.

Randy

Date: 25 Aug 2006 05:14:47
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:
> "David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message

>>Just read some of the US and British rags at Ryder Cup time.
>
>
>
> Hmmmm. Well, we may just have to agree to disagree here, David. But go
> with me on this and see if you don't see a little bit of truth to a somewhat
> different take on it...
>
> Jingoism, if I understand the term correctly, is an overt attempt to convey
> the thought that "our country is better than yours." It is more of a
> political statement, if you will. "Our country is great, yours sucks."
>
> The press on both sides of the pond may very well be homers, just like the
> Dallas Morning News will cover the NFL from the perspective of a Dallas
> Cowboys fan, just as the Miami Herald would cover the NFL from a Miami
> Dolphins perspective, and so on. Similarly, the Atlanta
> Journal-Constipation predictably gives a pro-Atlanta Braves slant to their
> coverage of Major League Baseball just as I'm sure the L.A. Times gives a
> pro-L.A. Dodgers spin to their coverage of MLB.
>
> But just like the Dallas Morning News wouldn't say in their sports section,
> "Dallas is a better place to live than Philadelphia" (even though it is), I
> don't see sportswriters that cover the Ryder Cup portraying their countries
> as somehow superior to the land(s) from which the opposing Ryder Cup team
> hails. They just give more favorable coverage to the "home" team. I don't
> see anything unusual or wrong with that, and it most certainly is not
> "jingoism." It's just being a homer, and every sportswriter in the world
> who covers a local beat is guilty of it.
>
> Homerism isn't quite the same thing as jingoism. It's just what
> sportswriters everywhere in the world do, regardless of what sport they're
> writing about. There's nothing nationalistic (or "city-istic") about it.
>
> Randy

Most golf sportswriters are fairy mundane as far as jingoism goes,
however the Ryder Cup seems to bring out a bunch of articles from
writers who have no idea of golf, nor what the Ryder Cup is all about.

Similar in concept to the constant fawning over Woods - it sells.

David

Date: 25 Aug 2006 12:15:00
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:4l7tc7Flve6U1@individual.net...
> "R&B" wrote:
>> "David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>
>>>Just read some of the US and British rags at Ryder Cup time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmmm. Well, we may just have to agree to disagree here, David. But go
>> with me on this and see if you don't see a little bit of truth to a
>> somewhat different take on it...
>>
>> Jingoism, if I understand the term correctly, is an overt attempt to
>> convey the thought that "our country is better than yours." It is more
>> of a political statement, if you will. "Our country is great, yours
>> sucks."
>>
>> The press on both sides of the pond may very well be homers, just like
>> the Dallas Morning News will cover the NFL from the perspective of a
>> Dallas Cowboys fan, just as the Miami Herald would cover the NFL from a
>> Miami Dolphins perspective, and so on. Similarly, the Atlanta
>> Journal-Constipation predictably gives a pro-Atlanta Braves slant to
>> their coverage of Major League Baseball just as I'm sure the L.A. Times
>> gives a pro-L.A. Dodgers spin to their coverage of MLB.
>>
>> But just like the Dallas Morning News wouldn't say in their sports
>> section, "Dallas is a better place to live than Philadelphia" (even
>> though it is), I don't see sportswriters that cover the Ryder Cup
>> portraying their countries as somehow superior to the land(s) from which
>> the opposing Ryder Cup team hails. They just give more favorable
>> coverage to the "home" team. I don't see anything unusual or wrong with
>> that, and it most certainly is not "jingoism." It's just being a homer,
>> and every sportswriter in the world who covers a local beat is guilty of
>> it.
>>
>> Homerism isn't quite the same thing as jingoism. It's just what
>> sportswriters everywhere in the world do, regardless of what sport
>> they're writing about. There's nothing nationalistic (or "city-istic")
>> about it.
>>
>> Randy
>
> Most golf sportswriters are fairy mundane as far as jingoism goes, however
> the Ryder Cup seems to bring out a bunch of articles from writers who have
> no idea of golf, nor what the Ryder Cup is all about.
>
> Similar in concept to the constant fawning over Woods - it sells.
>
> David

David, if you see an example of jingoism in the press concerning the Ryder
Cup -- and I do mean jingoism, not merely "homer-ism" (the type of thing
common to all sportswriting where the writer's beat is to cover a particular
team) -- then by all means, please provide a link, as I'd like to see it. I
am simply unaware of anything that could be interpreted as jingoism in the
press pertaining to the Ryder Cup in the past. Homerism, yes. Jingoism,
no. I could be wrong, but I think you'll be hard-pressed to find
anything -- especially in the American press, which is pretty docile
compared to the British tabloid press which passes for mainstream over
there -- that can justifiably be called jingoism. But I'm open to being
proven wrong. So if you see something next month (or can find something
from the past) that is an example of jingoism in the press' coverage of the
Ryder Cup, I'd like to see it.

Randy

Date: 25 Aug 2006 15:01:32
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Bobby Knight wrote:
> I'd rather irritate you with fact....which you don't recognize.

So your wife has finally left you, I presume. Can=B4t blame her. F

Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:39:17
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

multi wrote:
I always
> thought a Homerism was "wine-dark sea" or "rosy-fingered Dawn" or
> "Doh!"

You are not far off the mark. This is from Wikipedia:

Homerism is a word to describe the activity of miming of scenes from
Homers epic. It was common in Greek and Roman era pagan festivals,
along with other displays of virtuosity such as juggling, acrobatics
and trumpet blowing.

F

Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:44:05
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Bobby Knight wrote:
> You have no room to call anyone names.

First check this:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jingo&x=22&y=8, then close
your computer and go and irritate your wife. F

Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:48:55
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 25 Aug 2006 14:44:05 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> You have no room to call anyone names.
>
>First check this:
>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jingo&x=22&y=8, then close
>your computer and go and irritate your wife. F

You dunce! The word jingo has been around for a longer time than
jingoism, which was the term R&B used. Jingoism took root much
later, just as I reported from the Cambridge Dictionary.

I'd rather irritate you with fact....which you don't recognize.
___,
\o

Date: 26 Aug 2006 16:43:53
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Howard Brazee wrote:

> Yep, and we complain bitterly that the national broadcasters are
> tremendously biased towards the other team when our team is involved.

Part of the game, Howard. F

Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:35:01
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1156635833.364430.169370@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Howard Brazee wrote:
>
>> Yep, and we complain bitterly that the national broadcasters are
>> tremendously biased towards the other team when our team is involved.
>
> Part of the game, Howard. F

During the pro football season here in America, you can log on to NFL.com
and listen to the local radio play-by-play of most games as they happen
live. (Some stations that carry play-by-play do not allow their broadcasts
to be simulcast over the web due to legal reasons, but many do.) So in a
lot of cases, you can listen to the local broadcasters of either team while
a game is being played. So if you're, say, a Miami Dolphins fan, you can
listen to the Dolphins play-by-play broadcasters, and if they're playing the
Philadelphia Eagles and you're a Philly fan, you can listen to the Eagles'
play-by-play team. Or you can switch back and forth. I can pretty much
guarantee you that the coverage on either side won't be the same, and
neither one will be purely unbiased in its coverage.

Such is the nature of broadcasting a team sport back to the home city or
home country of a team. And quite honestly, that's as it should be.

The national TV networks, on the other hand, whose telecasts of the same
games are seen in both cities, will make every effort to be less slanted in
their coverage, which is also as it should be.

Randy

Date: 27 Aug 2006 08:54:49
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:
> Such is the nature of broadcasting a team sport back to the home city or
> home country of a team. And quite honestly, that's as it should be.
>
> The national TV networks, on the other hand, whose telecasts of the same
> games are seen in both cities, will make every effort to be less slanted in
> their coverage, which is also as it should be.

Sums it up nicely. Everybody happy! F

Date: 23 Aug 2006 12:57:52
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Date: 23 Aug 2006 12:54:39
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Larry Bud wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> > I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
> > vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
> > aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
> > COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>
> Oh, yeah, brilliant idea. That ought to get the networks scrambling to
> cover the event. What do you propose, tax payer funded ryder cup
> coverage?
>
>
> BTW: Pride of America=Aunt Judy=Laura Bush Murdered her
> Boyfriend=Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
>

You must really be a loser if you sit around worrying about stuff like
that.

Date: 23 Aug 2006 15:40:10
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1156362879.270186.138050@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Larry Bud wrote:
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> > I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
>> > vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
>> > aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
>> > COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>>
>> Oh, yeah, brilliant idea. That ought to get the networks scrambling to
>> cover the event. What do you propose, tax payer funded ryder cup
>> coverage?
>>
>>
>> BTW: Pride of America=Aunt Judy=Laura Bush Murdered her
>> Boyfriend=Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
>>
>
> You must really be a loser if you sit around worrying about stuff like
> that.
>
Like worrying about the Ryder Cup?

Date: 23 Aug 2006 12:21:12
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Larry Bud wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> > I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
> > vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
> > aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
> > COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>
> Oh, yeah, brilliant idea. That ought to get the networks scrambling to
> cover the event. What do you propose, tax payer funded ryder cup
> coverage?
>

We should tell the networks the same thing we tell the players. It's
your PATRIOTIC DUTY to perform in the Ryder Cup without pay. I'm
serious as a canker. If that argument applies to the players why not
the networks?

Date: 23 Aug 2006 14:37:51
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 23 Aug 2006 12:21:12 -0700, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend"
<xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>Larry Bud wrote:
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> > I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
>> > vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
>> > aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
>> > COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>>
>> Oh, yeah, brilliant idea. That ought to get the networks scrambling to
>> cover the event. What do you propose, tax payer funded ryder cup
>> coverage?
>>
>
>We should tell the networks the same thing we tell the players. It's
>your PATRIOTIC DUTY to perform in the Ryder Cup without pay. I'm
>serious as a canker. If that argument applies to the players why not
>the networks?

Well, you're right about one thing; you're a serious, as a canker.
___,
\o

Date: 23 Aug 2006 11:54:50
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
> vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
> aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
> COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.

Oh, yeah, brilliant idea. That ought to get the networks scrambling to
cover the event. What do you propose, tax payer funded ryder cup
coverage?

BTW: Pride of America=Aunt Judy=Laura Bush Murdered her
Boyfriend=Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

In case anybody is unsure.

Date: 23 Aug 2006 12:44:18
From: Jim Garnett
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

In article <1156359290.517317.261500@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote:

>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>> I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
>> vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
>> aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
>> COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.
>
>Oh, yeah, brilliant idea. That ought to get the networks scrambling to
>cover the event. What do you propose, tax payer funded ryder cup
>coverage?
>
>
>BTW: Pride of America=Aunt Judy=Laura Bush Murdered her
>Boyfriend=Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

Aunt Judy? Is that the same one I know of? Er, I mean, I think a buddy,
or friend of a friend told me about her website. =: )

~j.

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Date: 23 Aug 2006 14:41:16
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Date: 23 Aug 2006 11:30:08
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

In article <qjvoe21ghciqvit9efpcl47o85mkjslb7i@4ax.com >,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com >
wrote:

> I'm sick of the players working for free while the goddam stinking
> vultures in the press make a fortune off the event. If the players
> aren't paid then don't pay the press either - than means NO
> COMMERCIALS during TV coverage.

I'm just sick of the Ryder, which, as Tiger's body language will
tell you, is a basically meaningless event. Back in the 60s and
70s you could read about the Ryder on page 8 of the Sports
section, right next to the horse racing stats. That's where they
should have kept it.

Date: 24 Aug 2006 01:44:15
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

David Sneddon wrote:
> Unfortunmately the Ryder Cup has gone through an overblown hype fest in
> the media the past decade or more, where jingoism counts more than
> cameraderie and enjoyment.

A healthy dose of jingoism does no harm, on the contrary, it arouses
emotions and makes the contest all the more colorful. We still remember
Azinger=B4s: we thumped them Iraquis, now we thump the Europeans.

> I hope for a good match, sportsman like conduct,

The players always behave. A small friction here and there - after all,
it is a contest - but nothing serious.

F

Date: 24 Aug 2006 06:35:35
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Fairway wrote:
> David Sneddon wrote:
>
>>Unfortunmately the Ryder Cup has gone through an overblown hype fest in
>>the media the past decade or more, where jingoism counts more than
>>cameraderie and enjoyment.
>
>
> A healthy dose of jingoism does no harm, on the contrary, it arouses
> emotions and makes the contest all the more colorful. We still remember
> Azinger�s: we thumped them Iraquis, now we thump the Europeans.

Azinger = idiot. Poster Boy for all that is wrong with Ryder Cup
sentiments.

It certainly is fine to root for your side, but not to the exclusion of
appreciating the other side.

>
>
>>I hope for a good match, sportsman like conduct,
>
>
> The players always behave. A small friction here and there - after all,
> it is a contest - but nothing serious.

I was thinking more of the fans than the players.

David

Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:25:07
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I think you'll be hard-pressed to find
> anything -- especially in the American press, which is pretty docile
> compared to the British tabloid press which passes for mainstream over
> there --

Well, you're wrong there for a start.

Isn't 'homerism' just a word you (or someone else) has made up to
describe a mild form of jingoism?

Date: 25 Aug 2006 15:08:00
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote ...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>>
>
> Isn't 'homerism' just a word you (or someone else) has made up to
> describe a mild form of jingoism?

Not at all, johnty. Homerism is not a term I made up. It's been around for
decades.

Jingoism is a form of political expression, as if to say, "our country is
great, yours sucks."

Homerism is a broadcasting term that was coined years ago -- it goes back to
the earliest days of baseball broadcasts on radio in the 1940s and '50s by
local broadcasters covering their local team. A homer is a broadcaster who
slants his/her coverage of team sports by describing the action from the
home team's point of view. Homerism is, in some ways, an acknowledgement by
the announcers that the vast majority of people listening to their
play-by-play are fans of the home team they're covering. That's why you'd
never see it on a national telecast of two cities' teams; the network's
telecast is seen in both cities. Homerism is generally something you'll
find only in local broadcasts of team sports by local announcers.

For example, the Dallas Cowboys radio play-by-play announcer, Brad Sham,
might sound as if he's rooting for the Cowboys, and in fact, he may well be
even if not overtly so. The team pays his salary, and if he sounds more
excited when the Cowboys win a game than when they lose, it's because he's a
homer. (Sham may or may not be a good example of this, but there are plenty
of local broadcasters who are homers in every way.) A far more subtle
example of homerism might be when Sham replaces the word "Cowboys" with the
word "we" when talking about how "if WE can just get a first down here, WE
could run out the clock." Perhaps the best example of homerism in the
country is Larry Munson, the long-time voice of the Georgia Bulldogs
football broadcasts on radio.

Similarly, sportswriters for the Dallas Morning News might very well cover
their "beat" from a Cowboy fan's perspective, rather than straddling a
middle ground in the name of unbiased journalism, since they are, after all,
covering the team for their readers, who are, for the most part, residents
of the Dallas/Fort Worth area, and one could reasonably assume, are more
likely to root for the Cowboys than, say, the hated Washington Redskins.

But a national telecast of the Ryder Cup is, in some ways, more similar to a
local broadcast of a team sport between teams from two cities. The network
covering the event is telecasting the event back to its home country, which
is where the team comes from. While the pictures they are shooting may be
used on other networks' telecasts, their announcers are typically heard only
in their home country. So it's perfectly reasonable to expect American
broadcasters, knowing their telecast is being watched (and heard) primarily
in the US, to cover the Ryder Cup from an American perspective, just as the
BBC might cover the same event from a UK perspective. This is homerism, and
is no different than Merrill Reese, the voice of the Philadelphia Eagles,
calling an Eagles game from a Philly fan's perspective, which, frankly, is
what he SHOULD do.

If the announcers were to bash the other COUNTRY (not the team), or to try
to morph their team's superiority into a case that their country is better
and should prevail politically, then you'd have jingoism. That would be
like Merrill Reese saying, "not only do we want to see the Eagles win this
game, but let's hope they wipe out the Dallas economy in the process, since
Texas is such a nasty place to live." Now that would be stepping over the
line into a form of jingoism, kinda sorta.

And I've just never seen or read such a thing in Ryder Cup coverage, despite
claims to the contrary here.

Randy

Date: 25 Aug 2006 20:05:41
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

> Perhaps the best example of homerism in the
> country is Larry Munson, the long-time voice of the Georgia Bulldogs
> football broadcasts on radio.

Dave South's homerism has chunks of Larry Munson's homerism in
its stool.

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Date: 25 Aug 2006 12:51:51
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 25 Aug 2006 10:25:07 -0700, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:

>
>"R&B" wrote:
>> I could be wrong, but I think you'll be hard-pressed to find
>> anything -- especially in the American press, which is pretty docile
>> compared to the British tabloid press which passes for mainstream over
>> there --
>
>Well, you're wrong there for a start.
>
>Isn't 'homerism' just a word you (or someone else) has made up to
>describe a mild form of jingoism?

To be a "homer" is a broadcast term for announcers who overly laud the
play of their employer's team's efforts. All words are made up by
someone. In fact," jingoism" is derived from an Irish singer's lyric
"by jingo" in the late 1800s.
___,
\o

Date: 25 Aug 2006 10:01:25
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:
I
> am simply unaware of anything that could be interpreted as jingoism in the
> press pertaining to the Ryder Cup in the past. Homerism, yes. Jingoism,
> no. I could be wrong, but I think you'll be hard-pressed to find
> anything -- especially in the American press, which is pretty docile
> compared to the British tabloid press which passes for mainstream over
> there -- that can justifiably be called jingoism.

Homerism, jingoism - when Azinger urged his fellow players to thump the
Europeans, he didn=B4t mean it literally. Very aggressive talk, yes, and
it awoke quite a furore in Europe, which is good. We, Western men, are,
if anything, far too much domesticated, and it is good to bring out
some aggression now and then. I always appreciated Azinger and his
knock-down shot and I also love his main antagonist in Europe, Maestro
Seve. F

Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:15:58
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Bobby Knight wrote:
> > >Origin: 1660-70; orig. conjurer's call hey jingo appear! come forth!
> >(opposed to hey presto hasten away!), taken into general use in the
> >phrase by Jingo, euphemism for by God; chauvinistic sense from by Jingo
> >in political song supporting use of British forces against Russia in
> >1878.
> Did I not say "by jingo", and that it came from an Irish
> singer...and 1878 is the late 1800s? There was no implication that
> the word is bad.

I was commenting on your idea of the origin of the word. You are
obviously able to read but clearly too stupid to understand the meaning
of a simple text. And I wasn=B4t answering you in particular, just
putting some rather innocent remarks in the discussion. You are a poor
soul, Bobby Knight. F

Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:32:49
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 25 Aug 2006 14:15:58 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> > >Origin: 1660-70; orig. conjurer's call hey jingo appear! come forth!
>> >(opposed to hey presto hasten away!), taken into general use in the
>> >phrase by Jingo, euphemism for by God; chauvinistic sense from by Jingo
>> >in political song supporting use of British forces against Russia in
>> >1878.

>> Did I not say "by jingo", and that it came from an Irish
>> singer...and 1878 is the late 1800s? There was no implication that
>> the word is bad.
>
>I was commenting on your idea of the origin of the word. You are
>obviously able to read but clearly too stupid to understand the meaning
>of a simple text. And I wasn�t answering you in particular, just
>putting some rather innocent remarks in the discussion. You are a poor
>soul, Bobby Knight. F

The reference by the OP was to jingoism, not the word jingo. You
tried to be a pedant, but as usual, ended up an idiot. Get your
glasses fixed so that you know what the subject of a thread is before
jumping in with extraneous, and useless input.

Now, just check this from Colulmbia University Press Encyclopedia,
which should, but probably won't, educate you. Remember, the word
discussed was jingoism, not jingo.

Directory > Reference > Encyclopedia > jingoism
jingoism (jing'goiz?m) , advocacy of a policy of aggressive
nationalism. The term was first used in connection with certain
British politicians who sought to bring England into the Russo-Turkish
War (1877-78) on the side of the Turks. It apparently derived from a
popular song of the period: "We don't want to fight, but, by jingo, if
we do...."

You have no room to call anyone names.

___,
\o

Date: 25 Aug 2006 13:14:12
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Bobby Knight wrote:
> All words are made up by
> someone. In fact," jingoism" is derived from an Irish singer's lyric
> "by jingo" in the late 1800s.

Umm, no. See the following extract - and keep in mind: jingoism isn=B4t
necessarily bad.

Origin: 1660-70; orig. conjurer's call hey jingo appear! come forth!
(opposed to hey presto hasten away!), taken into general use in the
phrase by Jingo, euphemism for by God; chauvinistic sense from by Jingo
in political song supporting use of British forces against Russia in
1878.

1=2E a person who professes his or her patriotism loudly and excessively,
favoring vigilant preparedness for war and an aggressive foreign
policy; bellicose chauvinist.
2=2E English History. a Conservative supporter of Disraeli's policy in
the Near East during the period 1877-78.
-adjective 3. of jingoes.
4=2E characterized by jingoism.
-Idiom5. by jingo! Informal. (an exclamation used to emphasize the
truth or importance of a foregoing statement, or to express
astonishment, approval, etc.): I know you can do it, by jingo! =20

F

Date: 25 Aug 2006 15:31:28
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 25 Aug 2006 13:14:12 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> All words are made up by
>> someone. In fact," jingoism" is derived from an Irish singer's lyric
>> "by jingo" in the late 1800s.
>
>Umm, no. See the following extract - and keep in mind: jingoism isn�t
>necessarily bad.
>
>
>Origin: 1660-70; orig. conjurer's call hey jingo appear! come forth!
>(opposed to hey presto hasten away!), taken into general use in the
>phrase by Jingo, euphemism for by God; chauvinistic sense from by Jingo
>in political song supporting use of British forces against Russia in
>1878.
Did I not say "by jingo", and that it came from an Irish
singer...and 1878 is the late 1800s? There was no implication that
the word is bad.

<clip extraneous >

Can't you read?

Date: 25 Aug 2006 23:07:34
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Bobby Knight wrote:

> >
> >Isn't 'homerism' just a word you (or someone else) has made up to
> >describe a mild form of jingoism?
>
> To be a "homer" is a broadcast term for announcers who overly laud the
> play of their employer's team's efforts. All words are made up by
> someone.

Indeed. The distinction, though, is that one appears in the dictionary
and the other does not.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 05:42:54
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 25 Aug 2006 23:07:34 -0700, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:

>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> >
>> >Isn't 'homerism' just a word you (or someone else) has made up to
>> >describe a mild form of jingoism?
>>
>> To be a "homer" is a broadcast term for announcers who overly laud the
>> play of their employer's team's efforts. All words are made up by
>> someone.
>
>Indeed. The distinction, though, is that one appears in the dictionary
>and the other does not.

Look up colloquialism.
___,
\o

Date: 25 Aug 2006 23:06:12
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:
> "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote ...
> >
> > "R&B" wrote:
> >>
> >
> > Isn't 'homerism' just a word you (or someone else) has made up to
> > describe a mild form of jingoism?
>
>
> Not at all, johnty. Homerism is not a term I made up. It's been around for
> decades.
>

Interesting. It hasn't made much progress across the Atlantic in that
form, to my knowledge.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 13:15:33
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1156572372.642143.326380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>> "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com> wrote ...
>> >
>> > "R&B" wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> > Isn't 'homerism' just a word you (or someone else) has made up to
>> > describe a mild form of jingoism?
>>
>>
>> Not at all, johnty. Homerism is not a term I made up. It's been around
>> for
>> decades.
>>
>
>
> Interesting. It hasn't made much progress across the Atlantic in that
> form, to my knowledge.

I'm not sure I believe that, although I'm not familiar enough with the
broadcasting infrastructure in the UK to really know.

But I pose this question to you:

I know there are soccer teams over there representing different cities, much
the same way NFL football teams represent cities in the US. Do those soccer
teams not have local radio play-by-play networks based in their home city?
Would the play-by-play announcers covering one team not be justified in
covering their local team from the local fans' perspective, while the
announcers covering the other team cover the game from their fans'
perspective?

That's being a homer.

And I don't see much difference between that and the US media covering the
Ryder Cup from a US perspective while the BBC covers it from a UK
perspective. That's what they SHOULD do.

If Al Jezzeera were covering the event for the Arab world -- since those
folks hate both the US *and* the UK, they might not take sides and would be
more fair and balanced in their approach. Which would be a refreshing
change.

Randy

Date: 26 Aug 2006 16:45:58
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> Well, if it matters[0], do not include me in that group.

OK, son, I just crossed out your name. Have a nice round tomorrow. F

Date: 26 Aug 2006 12:15:22
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Who, here, is "we?"

The two sides involved, Americans and Europeans. I=B4ve never listened
to a neutral report - always from the European point of view - but it
has never the less always been respectful of the opponent. I am the
viewer, I root for Europe and the reporter is serving me and that=B4s
the way I want it. F

Date: 26 Aug 2006 20:25:22
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Who, here, is "we?"
>
> The two sides involved, Americans and Europeans. I?ve never listened
> to a neutral report - always from the European point of view - but it
> has never the less always been respectful of the opponent. I am the
> viewer, I root for Europe and the reporter is serving me and that?s
> the way I want it.

Ah, it's "you." The royal we, I suppose.

Well, if it matters[0], do not include me in that group.

[0] It probably doesn't, and it probably doesn't need to.

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Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:29:59
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3dsvgkIhqbN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>> Who, here, is "we?"
>>
>> The two sides involved, Americans and Europeans. I?ve never listened
>> to a neutral report - always from the European point of view - but it
>> has never the less always been respectful of the opponent. I am the
>> viewer, I root for Europe and the reporter is serving me and that?s
>> the way I want it.
>
> Ah, it's "you." The royal we, I suppose.
>
> Well, if it matters[0], do not include me in that group.
>
> [0] It probably doesn't, and it probably doesn't need to.

So you're saying that when you watch a sporting event with a team involved,
you don't root for one side, whether it be the Ryder Cup, a Rangers game, a
Mavericks game, a Cowboys game, or what have you?

I find that a wee bit hard to believe.

Randy

Date: 27 Aug 2006 15:26:22
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
> "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0T3dsvgkIhqbN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>> Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>>> Who, here, is "we?"
>>>
>>> The two sides involved, Americans and Europeans. I?ve never listened
>>> to a neutral report - always from the European point of view - but it
>>> has never the less always been respectful of the opponent. I am the
>>> viewer, I root for Europe and the reporter is serving me and that?s
>>> the way I want it.
>>
>> Ah, it's "you." The royal we, I suppose.
>>
>> Well, if it matters[0], do not include me in that group.
>>
>> [0] It probably doesn't, and it probably doesn't need to.
>
> So you're saying that when you watch a sporting event with a team involved,
> you don't root for one side, whether it be the Ryder Cup, a Rangers game, a
> Mavericks game, a Cowboys game, or what have you?

No, I'm saying that I don't watch the Ryder Cup that way.

> I find that a wee bit hard to believe.

And well you should, generally. Ryder Cup is different. :)

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Date: 27 Aug 2006 19:25:08
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:26:22 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>> So you're saying that when you watch a sporting event with a team involved,
>> you don't root for one side, whether it be the Ryder Cup, a Rangers game, a
>> Mavericks game, a Cowboys game, or what have you?
>
>No, I'm saying that I don't watch the Ryder Cup that way.
>
>> I find that a wee bit hard to believe.
>
>And well you should, generally. Ryder Cup is different. :)

There are those who say I can't be a Real American without always
rooting for the U.S. team at all costs.

But I don't need a Ryder Cup win to validate my country (or a loss to
invalidate it). I enjoy the team competition, and root for the
players I like the most.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 10:53:56
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:

> If Al Jezzeera were covering the event for the Arab world -- since those
> folks hate both the US *and* the UK, they might not take sides and would =
be
> more fair and balanced in their approach. Which would be a refreshing
> change.

An amusing remark - but in the end we don=B4t want a neutral, unbiased
report. We want homerism, jingosim, call it want you want - makes us
feel as a vital part of the contest. F

Date: 26 Aug 2006 22:48:26
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 26 Aug 2006 10:53:56 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

>An amusing remark - but in the end we don�t want a neutral, unbiased
>report. We want homerism, jingosim, call it want you want - makes us
>feel as a vital part of the contest. F

Yep, and we complain bitterly that the national broadcasters are
tremendously biased towards the other team when our team is involved.

Date: 26 Aug 2006 18:39:07
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>
>> If Al Jezzeera were covering the event for the Arab world -- since those
>> folks hate both the US *and* the UK, they might not take sides and would be
>> more fair and balanced in their approach. Which would be a refreshing
>> change.
>
> An amusing remark - but in the end we don?t want a neutral, unbiased
> report. We want homerism, jingosim, call it want you want - makes us
> feel as a vital part of the contest.

Who, here, is "we?"

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Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:12:51
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:

> >
> >
> > You don't believe that I am giving you an honest opinion?
>
>
>
> Of course I believe you. I have no reason to question your honesty.
>

I know, I was just pulling your leg.

>
>
> So the question still begs: Do such local broadcasts exist over there for,
> oh, say, soccer or rugby? If they do, and if the local broadcasters do,
> indeed, give somewhat slanted coverage from the local team's perspective,
> then your earlier remark about how homerism hasn't quite caught on over
> there falls apart. That's all I was saying.

Sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. What I was saying
(or meaning to) was that the term 'homerism' is not widespread over
here, not the fact that it happens, which of course it does.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:32:50
From: multi
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On 27 Aug 2006 10:12:51 -0700, "johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote:

>
>"R&B" wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> > You don't believe that I am giving you an honest opinion?
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course I believe you. I have no reason to question your honesty.
>>
>
>
>I know, I was just pulling your leg.
>
>
>>
>>
>> So the question still begs: Do such local broadcasts exist over there for,
>> oh, say, soccer or rugby? If they do, and if the local broadcasters do,
>> indeed, give somewhat slanted coverage from the local team's perspective,
>> then your earlier remark about how homerism hasn't quite caught on over
>> there falls apart. That's all I was saying.
>
>
>Sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. What I was saying
>(or meaning to) was that the term 'homerism' is not widespread over
>here, not the fact that it happens, which of course it does.

I don't think it's that widespread in the US, either. I always
thought a Homerism was "wine-dark sea" or "rosy-fingered Dawn" or
"Doh!"

Date: 28 Aug 2006 00:12:43
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:32:50 -0700, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:

> I always
> thought a Homerism was "wine-dark sea" or "rosy-fingered Dawn" or
> "Doh!"

Now, NOW you're talkin' bidness!
:-))

Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:00:23
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't really matter anyway. The original point I was making still stands.
> > Jingoism is one thing. It is ugly and inappropriate. But homerism is not
> > only common in the coverage of sports, but it is expected, appropriate and
> > not altogether undesirable by most of the fans listening/watching/reading.
>
> I hate it. I mean, *HATE* it. Let me explain how much I hate
> it.

I think it depends on how it's done. The great Larry Munson has been
calling Georgia Bulldogs football ever since I can remember and he's
about the best there is at it. Munson doesn't attempt to hide his
favoritism, and that's probably why he's so popular.
He'll say stuff like, "Hunker down, dogs!" or "We ran the ball to the
other guy's 15 yard line."

Here's two that no Tennessee fan will ever forget:
http://www.larrymunson.com/audio/UGA_UT_1980.MP3

http://www.larrymunson.com/audio/UGA_UT_2001.MP3

Date: 27 Aug 2006 17:18:03
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Doesn't really matter anyway. The original point I was making still stands.
>> > Jingoism is one thing. It is ugly and inappropriate. But homerism is not
>> > only common in the coverage of sports, but it is expected, appropriate and
>> > not altogether undesirable by most of the fans listening/watching/reading.
>>
>> I hate it. I mean, *HATE* it. Let me explain how much I hate
>> it.
>
> I think it depends on how it's done. The great Larry Munson has been
> calling Georgia Bulldogs football ever since I can remember and he's
> about the best there is at it. Munson doesn't attempt to hide his
> favoritism, and that's probably why he's so popular.
> He'll say stuff like, "Hunker down, dogs!" or "We ran the ball to the
> other guy's 15 yard line."

I hate that crap. It's unlistenable.

You should be citing the great Lindsey Nelson as an example of
my ideal, dammit.

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Date: 27 Aug 2006 08:02:42
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
>
> Hell yes. Why would anyone root for america, the leading terror and
> torture nation in the world.? Only the perverts hope america wins.

I'll thank you to leave me the Hell out of this!

Date: 27 Aug 2006 01:08:00
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Fairway <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >> Who, here, is "we?"
> >
> > The two sides involved, Americans and Europeans. I?ve never listened
> > to a neutral report - always from the European point of view - but it
> > has never the less always been respectful of the opponent. I am the
> > viewer, I root for Europe and the reporter is serving me and that?s
> > the way I want it.
>
> Ah, it's "you." The royal we, I suppose.
>

I'm with Fairway on this, so make it 'we' again.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 01:06:07
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"R&B" wrote:

> >>
> >
> >
> > Interesting. It hasn't made much progress across the Atlantic in that
> > form, to my knowledge.
>
>
> I'm not sure I believe that,....

You don't believe that I am giving you an honest opinion?

>
> But I pose this question to you:
>
> I know there are soccer teams over there representing different cities, much
> the same way NFL football teams represent cities in the US. Do those soccer
> teams not have local radio play-by-play networks based in their home city?
> Would the play-by-play announcers covering one team not be justified in
> covering their local team from the local fans' perspective, while the
> announcers covering the other team cover the game from their fans'
> perspective?
>
> That's being a homer.

Yes, indeed but my query was with the word 'homer', not the fact that
such local bias exists.

Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:28:28
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1156665967.335074.31160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Interesting. It hasn't made much progress across the Atlantic in that
>> > form, to my knowledge.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure I believe that,....
>
>
> You don't believe that I am giving you an honest opinion?

Of course I believe you. I have no reason to question your honesty.

What I wasn't so sure of is whether you are aware of the amount of
"homerism" that goes on, even in your own local media. But as I said in my
earlier response, I am, of course, not as aware of the broadcasting
infrastructure over there to be sure my thesis would apply there. So I
offered an example of how it might, wondering if you were aware of it.

>> But I pose this question to you:
>>
>> I know there are soccer teams over there representing different cities,
>> much
>> the same way NFL football teams represent cities in the US. Do those
>> soccer
>> teams not have local radio play-by-play networks based in their home
>> city?
>> Would the play-by-play announcers covering one team not be justified in
>> covering their local team from the local fans' perspective, while the
>> announcers covering the other team cover the game from their fans'
>> perspective?
>>
>> That's being a homer.
>
>
> Yes, indeed but my query was with the word 'homer', not the fact that
> such local bias exists.

So the question still begs: Do such local broadcasts exist over there for,
oh, say, soccer or rugby? If they do, and if the local broadcasters do,
indeed, give somewhat slanted coverage from the local team's perspective,
then your earlier remark about how homerism hasn't quite caught on over
there falls apart. That's all I was saying.

I'm not meaning to be argumentative, just pointing out that "homers" -- be
they broadcasters or writers -- are prevelant anywhere a local media covers
local teams for their local readers/viewers/listeners from the local
perspective. You may just not be as aware of it, perhaps because you don't
follow those other sports as closely. I have no way of knowing that.

Doesn't really matter anyway. The original point I was making still stands.
Jingoism is one thing. It is ugly and inappropriate. But homerism is not
only common in the coverage of sports, but it is expected, appropriate and
not altogether undesirable by most of the fans listening/watching/reading.

Randy

Date: 27 Aug 2006 15:38:21
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

> Doesn't really matter anyway. The original point I was making still stands.
> Jingoism is one thing. It is ugly and inappropriate. But homerism is not
> only common in the coverage of sports, but it is expected, appropriate and
> not altogether undesirable by most of the fans listening/watching/reading.

I hate it. I mean, *HATE* it. Let me explain how much I hate
it.

If you were to cut me, I would bleed Aggie maroon. Yeah, I know
that's surprising, because I can spell and everything, but it's
true. Nothing draws me to the radio or TV like Aggie football,
I *have* to watch or listen to their games if I can. In DFW in
recent years, that means I could listen to Dave South call the
games on 1190... or I could try to find the game on the other
school's station.

I invariably try to find the opponent's broadcast. It may be
homerfied for them, but it's never as homerfied as Dave South
is for A&M, and whatever irritation I have at the naked homerism
never has to convert to embarrassment. This used to be a much
easier thing to do when guys like Frank Fallon at Baylor and
Jack Dale at Texas Tech were the alternatives, as those guys
were old school and could deliver pretty even-handed broadcasts.
Their replacements are pretty bad in comparison. But still better
than the awful South.

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Date: 28 Aug 2006 00:11:17
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:38:21 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't really matter anyway. The original point I was making still stands.
> > Jingoism is one thing. It is ugly and inappropriate. But homerism is not
> > only common in the coverage of sports, but it is expected, appropriate and
> > not altogether undesirable by most of the fans listening/watching/reading.
>
> I hate it. I mean, *HATE* it. Let me explain how much I hate
> it.
>
I hate homerism, too. With a passion. So does every red-blooded
American.

Date: 28 Aug 2006 00:33:13
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Time for my biennial rant on the Ryder Cup

Peter Strauss <pfs126@earthlink.net > wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:38:21 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Doesn't really matter anyway. The original point I was making still stands.
>> > Jingoism is one thing. It is ugly and inappropriate. But homerism is not
>> > only common in the coverage of sports, but it is expected, appropriate and
>> > not altogether undesirable by most of the fans listening/watching/reading.
>>
>> I hate it. I mean, *HATE* it. Let me explain how much I hate
>> it.
>>
> I hate homerism, too. With a passion. So does every red-blooded
> American.

Fuckin' traitors. We should deport them to Canada or something.

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