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Date: 12 Nov 2006 09:17:06
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
somehow keep it going?
It'd sure be great for Nike and Tiger if they could get him to a dozen
consecutive wins. That'd show the world.
Ed
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 18:27:49
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On 12 Nov 2006 09:17:06 -0800, "EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>somehow keep it going?
Of course.
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 22:09:11
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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"EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1163351826.737844.125600@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
> reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
> somehow keep it going?
>
> It'd sure be great for Nike and Tiger if they could get him to a dozen
> consecutive wins. That'd show the world.
The only record that matters is his PGA TOUR record.
He lost an event overseas when he was winning 6 in a row back in '99-'00.
His PGA TOUR streak remains intact until he fails to win an official PGA
TOUR event that he enters.
Randy
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 17:44:39
From: David
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:09:11 -0500, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
>"EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1163351826.737844.125600@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>> reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>> somehow keep it going?
>>
>> It'd sure be great for Nike and Tiger if they could get him to a dozen
>> consecutive wins. That'd show the world.
>
>The only record that matters is his PGA TOUR record.
>
>He lost an event overseas when he was winning 6 in a row back in '99-'00.
>
>His PGA TOUR streak remains intact until he fails to win an official PGA
>TOUR event that he enters.
http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline/features/features/article/0,17742,1558941,00.html
>Randy
David
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 16:03:27
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> It's interesting though, that Woods plays badly, and in an event with a
> top field, he finishes second!
He didn't play badly, for starters, he birdie three straight holes,
then birdie three in the last five holes, in the final round,
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 12:29:07
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On 12 Nov 2006 09:17:06 -0800, "EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>somehow keep it going?
If by "it" you mean your constant complaining about the attention
Tiger gets, the answer is yes.
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 19:15:47
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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"EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1163351826.737844.125600@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
> reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
> somehow keep it going?
>
> It'd sure be great for Nike and Tiger if they could get him to a dozen
> consecutive wins. That'd show the world.
>
> Ed
Well, since the HSBC Tourney was on the European Tour, it will not affect
Tigers consecutive win streak on the pga tour in any way.
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 11:03:11
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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EdSmithers wrote:
> Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
> reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
> somehow keep it going?
>
No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
events and it is still intact.
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 23:49:32
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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annika1980 wrote:
> EdSmithers wrote:
> > Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
> > reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
> > somehow keep it going?
> >
>
> No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
> events and it is still intact.
It looks more than a little lame at this point though. He won some n
number of PGA Tour events, but lost a Euro Tour event and an Asian Tour
event in between!
It's interesting though, that Woods plays badly, and in an event with a
top field, he finishes second!
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 22:11:22
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:4557B123.7F70B614@att.net...
>
>
> annika1980 wrote:
>
>> EdSmithers wrote:
>> > Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>> > reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>> > somehow keep it going?
>> >
>>
>> No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
>> events and it is still intact.
>
> It looks more than a little lame at this point though. He won some n
> number of PGA Tour events, but lost a Euro Tour event and an Asian Tour
> event in between!
>
> It's interesting though, that Woods plays badly, and in an event with a
> top field, he finishes second!
Not lame at all. He's won 6 PGA TOUR events in a row. And he hasn't played
in one since he won his 6th. Period. The end. What part of that is so
hard to understand?
The Miami Dolphins had an undefeated NFL season in 1972. Had they stopped
mid-season and played an exhibition game against, say, the College
All-Stars, and lost, they still would have been undefeated for their 1972
NFL season.
This ain't rocket science, Rob.
Randy
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 19:07:35
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:32 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>annika1980 wrote:
>
>> EdSmithers wrote:
>> > Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>> > reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>> > somehow keep it going?
>> >
>>
>> No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
>> events and it is still intact.
>
>It looks more than a little lame at this point though. He won some n
>number of PGA Tour events, but lost a Euro Tour event
If you mean the Wentworth Match Play, IMO that shouldn't count either
for or against. Losing a match is not like losing over four days.
And beating a field of 16 is not like beating a field of 150.
> and an Asian Tour event in between!
The HSBC Champions was sanctioned by several tours, including the Euro
PGA. It had a stronger field than many PGA events, especially the
alternate events like the BC Open.
>It's interesting though, that Woods plays badly, and in an event with a
>top field, he finishes second!
What's more interesting to me is that he beat all the big name players
in the field (and there were many), but he lost to someone most of us
have never heard of. All in accord with my assertion that Byron
Nelson would not have won so much in 1945 if the fields weren't
depleted. It's not enough to say that Snead and Hogan were there.
They weren't for many of the events, but even if they were, the
absence of many players who never had the chance to become famous made
it easier to win that year.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 16:14:38
From: David
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:07:35 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:32 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>wrote:
>>annika1980 wrote:
>>
>>> EdSmithers wrote:
>>> > Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>>> > reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>>> > somehow keep it going?
>>> >
>>>
>>> No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
>>> events and it is still intact.
>>
>>It looks more than a little lame at this point though. He won some n
>>number of PGA Tour events, but lost a Euro Tour event
>
>If you mean the Wentworth Match Play, IMO that shouldn't count either
>for or against. Losing a match is not like losing over four days.
>And beating a field of 16 is not like beating a field of 150.
That is funny. Events with no cuts count toward his no-cut streak,
yet, a match play event should not?
<snipped >
FWIW, Woods himself has said that his streak ended then. If Woods
declares that his streak has ended, why can't you guys accept that it
is over. Rationalizing the fact that he lost with the fact that it
was not a USPGA event seems ridiculous when Woods does not even
believe you.
David
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:11:18
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:14:38 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:07:35 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:32 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>>wrote:
>>>annika1980 wrote:
>>>
>>>> EdSmithers wrote:
>>>> > Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>>>> > reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>>>> > somehow keep it going?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
>>>> events and it is still intact.
>>>
>>>It looks more than a little lame at this point though. He won some n
>>>number of PGA Tour events, but lost a Euro Tour event
>>
>>If you mean the Wentworth Match Play, IMO that shouldn't count either
>>for or against. Losing a match is not like losing over four days.
>>And beating a field of 16 is not like beating a field of 150.
>
> That is funny. Events with no cuts count toward his no-cut streak,
>yet, a match play event should not?
Try to keep up. Nobody has talked about his cut streak for a year.
We're talking about his win streak. But if you want to argue that
events with no cuts shouldn't count for a cut streak, then Tiger broke
Nelson's record in 1996 at the GMO, when he ran his streak up to 1.
If you want to argue that no-cut events should only count if you
finish in the top 20, which was what Nelson allegedly did, then you
need to subtract a whopping two events from Tiger's streak, bringing
him down to 140. If you only want to accept top tens, subtract
another three. If you only want to accept wins, he still has 8 more
cuts than Nelson. I'll leave it to you to decide how much it matters
that those stats were compiled against the strongest fields in golf
history, rather than a bunch of 4-Fs and local club pros.
> FWIW, Woods himself has said that his streak ended then. If Woods
>declares that his streak has ended, why can't you guys accept that it
>is over. Rationalizing the fact that he lost with the fact that it
>was not a USPGA event seems ridiculous when Woods does not even
>believe you.
We get it, Einstein. What you don't seem to get is that there are
several concurrent streaks. His streak of winning every possible
event ended the first time he skipped a week. His streak of winning
every event he entered, which has been Tiger's stated goal since he
turned pro, ended at Wentworth. His streak of winning every stroke
play event he entered ended Sunday. His streak of winning official
PGA events is still going. I realize that's small potatoes to pros
like you, but some of us still find it impressive. And as Randy says,
it's the only one that goes in the record books.
Tiger would never admit it, but his Asian events are paid vacations,
not serious golf. If he skips the Tour Championship and then plays
the Borat Invitational the following week, you know he's already
collected ten times the first place prize money, just for showing up.
He took five weeks off, and now he's playing himself back into shape,
simple as that. The fact that he can do that and still finish second
in a strong field sends a pretty strong message for next year.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 16:55:44
From: David
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:11:18 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:14:38 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:07:35 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:32 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>>annika1980 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> EdSmithers wrote:
>>>>> > Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
>>>>> > reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
>>>>> > somehow keep it going?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
>>>>> events and it is still intact.
>>>>
>>>>It looks more than a little lame at this point though. He won some n
>>>>number of PGA Tour events, but lost a Euro Tour event
>>>
>>>If you mean the Wentworth Match Play, IMO that shouldn't count either
>>>for or against. Losing a match is not like losing over four days.
>>>And beating a field of 16 is not like beating a field of 150.
>>
>> That is funny. Events with no cuts count toward his no-cut streak,
>>yet, a match play event should not?
>
>Try to keep up. Nobody has talked about his cut streak for a year.
>We're talking about his win streak. But if you want to argue that
>events with no cuts shouldn't count for a cut streak, then Tiger broke
>Nelson's record in 1996 at the GMO, when he ran his streak up to 1.
>If you want to argue that no-cut events should only count if you
>finish in the top 20, which was what Nelson allegedly did, then you
>need to subtract a whopping two events from Tiger's streak, bringing
>him down to 140. If you only want to accept top tens, subtract
>another three. If you only want to accept wins, he still has 8 more
>cuts than Nelson. I'll leave it to you to decide how much it matters
>that those stats were compiled against the strongest fields in golf
>history, rather than a bunch of 4-Fs and local club pros.
>
>> FWIW, Woods himself has said that his streak ended then. If Woods
>>declares that his streak has ended, why can't you guys accept that it
>>is over. Rationalizing the fact that he lost with the fact that it
>>was not a USPGA event seems ridiculous when Woods does not even
>>believe you.
>
>We get it, Einstein. What you don't seem to get is that there are
>several concurrent streaks. His streak of winning every possible
>event ended the first time he skipped a week. His streak of winning
>every event he entered, which has been Tiger's stated goal since he
>turned pro, ended at Wentworth. His streak of winning every stroke
>play event he entered ended Sunday. His streak of winning official
>PGA events is still going. I realize that's small potatoes to pros
>like you, but some of us still find it impressive. And as Randy says,
>it's the only one that goes in the record books.
>
>Tiger would never admit it, but his Asian events are paid vacations,
>not serious golf. If he skips the Tour Championship and then plays
>the Borat Invitational the following week, you know he's already
>collected ten times the first place prize money, just for showing up.
>He took five weeks off, and now he's playing himself back into shape,
>simple as that. The fact that he can do that and still finish second
>in a strong field sends a pretty strong message for next year.
Whatever. Obviously, you miss the entire point, Newton. My
prediction--Woods loses his first PGA tour even tnext year and then
this idiocy can end.
David
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 10:14:54
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:55:44 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:
>My
>prediction--Woods loses his first PGA tour even tnext year and then
>this idiocy can end.
Nope, the Tiger Slam will still be alive. He's also on track to
overtake Arnie in career wins next year. If he does that, he'll only
need two more to catch Hogan. Face it, when you're watching the GOAT,
there is no shortage of stuff to talk about.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:39:30
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:14:54 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:55:44 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>My
>>prediction--Woods loses his first PGA tour even tnext year and then
>>this idiocy can end.
>
>Nope, the Tiger Slam will still be alive. He's also on track to
>overtake Arnie in career wins next year. If he does that, he'll only
>need two more to catch Hogan. Face it, when you're watching the GOAT,
>there is no shortage of stuff to talk about.
Holy crap.
I've been reading these threads and people keep taking about GOAT and
I have no idea what they were talking about.
I just figured it out. Ugh.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 15:32:21
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:39:30 -0500, John van der Pflum
<nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:14:54 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:55:44 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>My
>>>prediction--Woods loses his first PGA tour even tnext year and then
>>>this idiocy can end.
>>
>>Nope, the Tiger Slam will still be alive. He's also on track to
>>overtake Arnie in career wins next year. If he does that, he'll only
>>need two more to catch Hogan. Face it, when you're watching the GOAT,
>>there is no shortage of stuff to talk about.
>
>Holy crap.
>
>I've been reading these threads and people keep taking about GOAT and
>I have no idea what they were talking about.
>
>I just figured it out. Ugh.
It's been in fairly common use for a fairly long time --- I know Jerry
Rice's teammates were calling him GOAT ten years ago. But if you
don't know something, why not use the google? Type in goat acronym
and you get the answer, several times, without even following any of
the links.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 10:34:20
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:32:21 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:39:30 -0500, John van der Pflum
><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:14:54 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:55:44 +0100, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>My
>>>>prediction--Woods loses his first PGA tour even tnext year and then
>>>>this idiocy can end.
>>>
>>>Nope, the Tiger Slam will still be alive. He's also on track to
>>>overtake Arnie in career wins next year. If he does that, he'll only
>>>need two more to catch Hogan. Face it, when you're watching the GOAT,
>>>there is no shortage of stuff to talk about.
>>
>>Holy crap.
>>
>>I've been reading these threads and people keep taking about GOAT and
>>I have no idea what they were talking about.
>>
>>I just figured it out. Ugh.
>
>It's been in fairly common use for a fairly long time --- I know Jerry
>Rice's teammates were calling him GOAT ten years ago. But if you
>don't know something, why not use the google? Type in goat acronym
>and you get the answer, several times, without even following any of
>the links.
Just lazy I guess. Plus, I'm a masochist. ;-)
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 09:05:12
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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Woods also said he was quite disgusted with his play on the weekend. On
his last shot, he let go of his club in disgust with the shot. The
commentators even had the temerity to state that Wood's brought his B-
game.
I can't see Woods himself seeing any streak here. It would be like LSU
claiming some streak because they won some number of SEC games in a
row, but in between lost to Troy State and Boise State. The NCAA in
general would condier them to have 2 losses.
Woods considers himself to have lost 2 tournaments in the last half of
the year. The actual fact is that Woods lost two tournaments in the
last half of the year...but he has won some number of consecutive PGA
TOUR events in a row...so he has that going for him! I don't think
that's how Woods wants to look at himself (becuase he himself says
so!), and I, at least, can respect that!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 03:20:10
From: EdSmithers
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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"R&B" wrote:
> The only record that matters is his PGA TOUR record.
Good news, Randy. All the media outlets who are claiming that the
streak has ended could use a little dose of reality.
Ed
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:47:02
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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multi wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2006 09:17:06 -0800, "EdSmithers" <spirosdarlotts@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
> >reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
> >somehow keep it going?
>
> If by "it" you mean your constant complaining about the attention
> Tiger gets, the answer is yes.
The second time I read this....and I laughed again.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 13:10:33
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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"R&B" wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:4557B123.7F70B614@att.net...
> >
> >
> > annika1980 wrote:
> >
> >> EdSmithers wrote:
> >> > Now that Yang Yong-Eun has beaten Tiger, will there be some
> >> > reconfiguration of what his consecutive win streak is so that we can
> >> > somehow keep it going?
> >> >
> >>
> >> No reconfiguration neccessary. The streak is for official PGA Tour
> >> events and it is still intact.
> >
> > It looks more than a little lame at this point though. He won some n
> > number of PGA Tour events, but lost a Euro Tour event and an Asian Tour
> > event in between!
> >
> > It's interesting though, that Woods plays badly, and in an event with a
> > top field, he finishes second!
>
> Not lame at all. He's won 6 PGA TOUR events in a row. And he hasn't played
> in one since he won his 6th. Period. The end. What part of that is so
> hard to understand?
>
> The Miami Dolphins had an undefeated NFL season in 1972. Had they stopped
> mid-season and played an exhibition game against, say, the College
> All-Stars, and lost, they still would have been undefeated for their 1972
> NFL season.
>
> This ain't rocket science, Rob.
>
I have never confused golf with rocket sceince, although it might be
cool to paint a golf ball with aluminum oxide and see what happens when
you get some sparks off the titanium driver!
Tiger doesn't respect the PGA TOUR win streak. If you think it's a big
deal, bully for you. I'm with Tiger on this one. IMHO, he's looking for
the Grand Slam next year..no "Tiger Slam", but the real thing, and I
doubt he would care if he won 20 PGA Tour events in a row if he didn't
get the Grand Slam. JMHO, of course. No better, no worse than yours.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 12:12:01
From: Jack Thompson
Subject: Re: Tiger's Streak - Delayed?
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multi wrote:
>
> Nope, the Tiger Slam will still be alive.
Oh great, that again. So if Tiger wins all four, will that means he had
3 Grand Slams (from 6 in a row) by his logic?
"Tiger, how does your PGA, Masters, US Open, British Open Slam compare
to your British Open, PGA, Masters, US Open Slam?"
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