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Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:05:05
From: No cameras and shut up while I am putting
Subject: They need GOOGLE Scan to ZOOM IN and find the ball ! Hell Google can
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find my den and the deck ...surely they can find the Ball ....
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 19:40:56
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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Bobby Knight wrote: > On 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 > >yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. > > > >Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up > >making bogey. > <clip> > >Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. > > Other players, in other tournaments, have hit the ball behind > bleachers, tents, etc., and been given very generous drops. Did you see it? This was more than hitting a ball behind some bleachers. This thing was gone. How it couldn't have been OB is beyond me.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 22:06:34
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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On 25 Aug 2006 19:40:56 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: > >Bobby Knight wrote: >> On 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> >If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 >> >yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. >> > >> >Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up >> >making bogey. >> <clip> >> >Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. >> >> Other players, in other tournaments, have hit the ball behind >> bleachers, tents, etc., and been given very generous drops. > >Did you see it? This was more than hitting a ball behind some >bleachers. This thing was gone. How it couldn't have been OB is >beyond me. From MSNBC report on Bridgestone: "Rules official Slugger White said the clubhouse has never been deemed to be out-of-bounds. In fact, he said Woods’ ball could have bounced across Warner Road and onto the North Course and still would have been in play. Adding to Woods luck was that rules official Mike Shea said the ball was located — or enough evidence to figure out what happened — seconds before the five minutes allowed to search for a lost ball." The USGA suggests that there be no interior OBs on a course, and I guess they never marked it such there. ___, \o
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 17:02:10
From: No cameras and shut up while I am putting
Subject: Re: They need GOOGLE Scan to ZOOM IN and find the ball ! Hell Google can
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Tex wrote: > No cameras and shut up while I am putting wrote: > > find my den and the deck ...surely they can find the Ball .... > > Another Monkey Brain falls from the banana tree... > > Ask yourself....do you really think you control a *live* satelite with > Google ?? > If you answer yes, see professional assistance immediately. > If you answer no, why did you bother to post your original rubbish? > > Tex And finally .... you will love this ....and I checked with Google and .. ooops Sworn to secrecy ...here ................................... 3 Secrets the pros know that you don't All very good players do three things well...and now you can too By T.J. Tomasi GOLF MAGAZINE Top 100 Teacher Secret Move #1: Maintain wrist hinge until release WHAT IT IS Leonard Kamsler If you're a highhandicapper, you probably hinge your right wrist backward at the top of your swing-and that's a good thing. But unlike players on Tour, you don't keep that angle through impact-you lose it way too early. Maintaining that angle will help you maintain the correct loft on the club, so you'll get the proper distance. DRILL TO GET IT Use your left thumb to lock your right wrist in plaveLeonard Kamsler Take your normal grip on the club, then move your left thumb off the shaft of the club and over and on top of your right wrist. Take a few half-swings with an iron from this position and notice how your thumb helps keep the right-wrist angle intact and the clubhead behind your hands at impact. This combination allows you to maximize your power and distance. Secret Move #2: Rotate your head Leonard Kamsler WHAT IT IS: By trying to keep your eye on the ball, you can develop "turkey peeking over a log" syndrome, in which your shoulders turn all the way to the right but you're still looking over your left shoulder to see the ball. Your head should rotate to the right along with your shoulders in the backswing, then back to the left during the downswing. 2 DRILLS TO GET IT: Keep your eye on the straw for proper head rotationLeonard Kamsler First, imagine that you're gently shaking your head "no"-right and then left-as you swing. Or try a second drill: Take practice swings with a straw in your mouth. Concentrate on keeping the straw in the center of your vision as you swing back and then through. This will automatically give you the head rotation you need. Secret Move #3 Keep your trailing knee flexed Leonard Kamsler WHAT IT IS: All golfers, even Tour pros, have to watch the tendency to straighten the right knee in the downswing. It's an easy mistake to make, and the results are disastrous. The move forces you to stand up and throws the entire hitting mechanism out of whack. Expect poor contact every time. Contact with the chair will keep your right knee flexedLeonard Kamsler DRILL TO GET IT: Prop the back of a chair under your backside and swing without losing contact with the chair. If you can do this, your right knee will stay flexed and you'll deliver full power to the ball. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:52:21
From: No cameras and shut up while I am putting
Subject: Re: They need GOOGLE Scan to ZOOM IN and find the ball ! Hell Google can
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Tex wrote: > No cameras and shut up while I am putting wrote: > > find my den and the deck ...surely they can find the Ball .... > > Another Monkey Brain falls from the banana tree... > > Ask yourself....do you really think you control a *live* satelite with > Google ?? > If you answer yes, see professional assistance immediately. > If you answer no, why did you bother to post your original rubbish?> > Tex ## Here Tex .. this is for you ...study hard we ask questions later. ok ready ..## Monkey Brains Most people probably have heard the tale of the barbaric foreigners who strap a live monkey down and eat its brains while it screams. It has even made it into the Hollywood mainstream in movies like "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom." The common aspects of this story, as it is almost always told, make it an excellent illustration of a classic urban legend. Recipe Legends have traditionally been passed down orally and it is no different with the Live Monkey Brain legend. The following is the universal recipe for this legend: * Take one (1) living monkey. The story does not work without the kicking and the screaming and the biting. Just eating monkey brain stew is not particularly interesting or shocking. * Strap beneath special table with hole in center. The monkey must be strapped beneath a table with its head poking up through a hole. * Bop monkey on the head, scoop and serve. The diners usually deliver the fatal blow themselves with hammers, the skull is sawed off and the brains are scooped out with spoons. That's about as complex as the legend gets, but I'd like to add two special ingredients that you may not have noticed in your culinary excursions: * Others do it in other places. This is universal in every version I have ever heard or seen. Americans say the Taiwanese do it. Indonesians say the Taiwanese do it. Taiwanese say that Hong Kongers do it. Hong Kongers say it is rural Chinese on the border with Vietnam. Historical versions by officials from Beijing (in the North) report that it is Southerners who do it. Variations might get as close as another ethnic group in the same area or even that Grandfather did it once in the old days, but you rarely hear a reliable first hand account, which brings us to... * A friend of a friend told me. The story is often claimed true because a friend had a friend who was in Asia during the Vietnam war who ate monkey brains or saw tables with holes while traveling. Occasionally, someone does tell this as a first hand story, but (with two anecdotal exceptions) everyone I have ever challenged has backed down or has been unable to provide convincing details. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Note: Two normal people have contacted me by e-mail with first-hand accounts. One account happened when the person was a child and the other stated that each dinner had their own monkey and that its head was "the size of a human infant." I remain skeptical, but these two anecdotes are important. Variations There are a few variation, but what makes this such a classic legend is that it is so consistent in its many tellings. For example, the location can be Asia or some Middle Eastern country, but it is always foreigners. Some locations I have heard or seen associated with this story are: Taiwan, China, Hong Kong, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Japan, Thailand, India, Africa and the Middle East. The most common variation, by far, involves the Chinese. And the most common report is from Indonesians (or Western reporters in Indonesia) about ethnic Chinese Indonesians. If you ask someone from China about the legend, they will almost certainly have heard of it. If you ask them if it is true, as with all of the best legends, most people will say that it is indeed true and may even offer the "we Chinese eat anything with four legs that isn't a table" explanation. But if pressed for details, it will inevitably involve people from some other region, ethnic group or time. I have collected a large number of references which I have critically annotated. It's not just a boring list, so you should definitely hop over and check out the movies and plays that feature monkey brain eating (including Italian porn from the 70s), lots of newspaper articles and even pictures of a woman eating monkey brains. Historical References One of the best early references I have found is from a reporter in Japan who heard that the legend was started by a colorful columnist in 1948, but the story is much older and has Chinese origins. There are two important Chinese historical references. One is a legendary menu, called the "Man Han Quan Xi" ("The Manchu-Han Complete Banquet" - see title in Chinese at the end of the article), that is said to be from the ultimate Chinese feast and is supposed to contain the most exotic and wonderful foods from all over the empire. The menu (which no longer exists, but is referenced by other sources) is from the Qing Dynasty period, which peaked in the 18th century. The other reference is from a book titled "ManTuoLuo Xuan XianHua" ("Casual Chat on Mantuolou's Veranda"), written by Zhang HaiOu in the mid-19th century. This text collects traditional Chinese medicine and food knowledge from various locales around China and in turn refers to an account by a general who traveled around China, possibly as early as the 16th century. He recounts a feast that he attended that included live monkey brain, which he described as being quite tasty. The previously mentioned Qing Dynasty menu and this 16th century report may or may not be distinct references, however, and both may come from the same source (e.g. the general traveled about and collected the dishes that ended up on the now-lost menu). Unfortunately, this is a literary-historical friend-of-a-friend tale, as I do not have access to this 19th century Chinese book and have not read the actual account, which of course refers to the other older source, of which I know basically nothing (not even the title). While this is all very interesting, hunting down primary source documents in classical Chinese far exceeds my abilities and the patience of my Chinese friends (who are far less obsessed with monkey brains than I am). In any case, there is little doubt that this classic legend is probably as old as time itself, first told by Java Man to Lucy about the exotic eating habits of barbaric Peking Man. Is It True? The main purpose of this article is to discuss the canonical Live Monkey Brain feast. As a legend, it is a classic in every way and is particularly interesting because of its age and the extent of the documentation surrounding it, whether it is true or false. * Eating live monkey brains as a delicacy is highly unlikely and the canonical tale is almost certainly not true. Key elements are unbelievable and undocumented. This includes that the monkey is live (and conscious), strapped below the table and that the diners excitedly bop the screaming, kicking monkey on the head, while blood squirts all around. Then they presumably wipe off the blood, have a good laugh and enjoy the delicious brains. Yum! * Eating live monkey brains as medicine is much more believable, but I'd only put even money on it. This is not the standard version of the tale, but it is a horrific and commonly reported variation. Paying money to have the chef prepare fresh monkey brain sushi is only one step removed from selecting a lobster from a tank and boiling it alive. * Eating fresh (but not live) monkey brains as medicine is more likely still , given the large number of reports. Powdered monkey brain in a medicine shop seems quite plausible. Still, there is always room of skepticism. * Eating cooked monkey brains is also believable. Monkey brain stew might even taste good.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 18:55:09
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: They need GOOGLE Scan to ZOOM IN and find the ball ! Hell Google can
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On 25 Aug 2006 16:52:21 -0700, "No cameras and shut up while I am putting" <fastpitstops@aol.com > wrote: > Monkey Brains > <clip more than anyone wanted to know > ___, \o
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:44:54
From: No cameras and shut up while I am putting
Subject: Re: They need GOOGLE Scan to ZOOM IN and find the ball ! Hell Google can
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Tex wrote: > No cameras and shut up while I am putting wrote: > > find my den and the deck ...surely they can find the Ball .... > > Another Monkey Brain falls from the banana tree... > > Ask yourself....do you really think you control a *live* satelite with > Google ?? > If you answer yes, see professional assistance immediately. > If you answer no, why did you bother to post your original rubbish? > > Tex Tex ol buddy ol pal....First of all . **** .GET A Sense of Humor *****....Second get another sense of humor and third how in THEEE HELL DO you know what Google can do ..or what an Eye in the Sky can do. Tell you what ...you all come back now .... when u get that sense of humor.. Ooops wait a second....I think it is too late for you. Just stick to what you know best ...uhh whatever that is.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:31:13
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: They need GOOGLE Scan to ZOOM IN and find the ball ! Hell Google can
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Tex wrote: > No cameras and shut up while I am putting wrote: > > find my den and the deck ...surely they can find the Ball .... > > Another Monkey Brain falls from the banana tree... > > Ask yourself....do you really think you control a *live* satelite with > Google ?? > If you answer yes, see professional assistance immediately. I think NC has seen 1 too many episodes of "24".
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up making bogey. Here's why this decision was BS 1) No OB line. So what? So if nobody ever painted an OB line, there's no OB on the course? 2) Tiger never identified his ball 3) They claim an outside agent picked up his ball. Nobody ESPN interviewed or even the rules official knew this for a fact 4) They don't know exactly where his ball ended up, so to declare the grand stands Temp Immovable Obstructions when you don't even know if they were in the way is BS Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling.
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 00:03:00
From: OldSailor
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote > > Here's why this decision was BS > > 1) No OB line. So what? So if nobody ever painted an OB line, there's > no OB on the course? > 2) Tiger never identified his ball > 3) They claim an outside agent picked up his ball. Nobody ESPN > interviewed or even the rules official knew this for a fact > 4) They don't know exactly where his ball ended up, so to declare the > grand stands Temp Immovable Obstructions when you don't even know if > they were in the way is BS > > Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. > I tend to agree, but think the ruling could have been valid except: First of all, there was no OB so if Tiger's ball was found (and it was), he should first of all have gone to where the ball was and determined if he could play it from where it was. But he didn't do this. The ball was found by a cook (who picked it up) in a courtyard on the far side of the clubhouse and the blimp camera even picked this up. Tiger himself never even started to look for the ball, so presumably he assumed ball was lost. Given that ball was found, if they knew this, they should have had the cook re-place the ball and then give Tiger the opportunity of hitting from there. Then, if the grandstand was in the way, he would get his drop. But if the clubhouse was in the way, he should NOT (It is not temporary) and he would likely have to go back and rehit. Seems like they made their decision before confirming that the ball had been found and based their decision on the ball having been lost somewhere on the roof and assumed that wherever it was, the grandstand would have been in the way. He did not even complete hole with same ball. Apparently it is OK to lose a ball in a clubhouse, but not in an open area? To give Tiger his due, he also could not believe that he was not OB. This type of thing makes a nonsense of the rules - Tiger hit a very poor shot and received no penalty.
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 19:42:09
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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>Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D as idiosyncratic as it seemed. it worked. the show must go on. >mho >v fe >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0"d R i V e =A0L e $ s"
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 16:44:55
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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On 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: >If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 >yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. > >Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up >making bogey. <clip > >Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. Other players, in other tournaments, have hit the ball behind bleachers, tents, etc., and been given very generous drops. bk ___, \o
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 15:29:40
From: multi
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:44:55 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote: >On 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 >>yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. >> >>Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up >>making bogey. ><clip> >>Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. > >Other players, in other tournaments, have hit the ball behind >bleachers, tents, etc., and been given very generous drops. IMO they need to change the rule on drops. I've seen pros clank one into deep rough, and get two or three drops to end up on the fringe. They should have a provision that if you land in the rough, you drop in the rough.
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 10:25:47
From:
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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fiveiron@webtv.net wrote: > >Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. > ======= > as idiosyncratic as it seemed. it worked. the show must go on. > > >mho > >v fe > > > "d R i V e L e $ s" Ruling was BULLSHIT!
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Date: 25 Aug 2006 14:08:19
From: Tex
Subject: Re: They need GOOGLE Scan to ZOOM IN and find the ball ! Hell Google can
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No cameras and shut up while I am putting wrote: > find my den and the deck ...surely they can find the Ball .... Another Monkey Brain falls from the banana tree... Ask yourself....do you really think you control a *live* satelite with Google ?? If you answer yes, see professional assistance immediately. If you answer no, why did you bother to post your original rubbish? Tex
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 17:24:06
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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Bobby Knight wrote: > On 26 Aug 2006 14:30:28 -0700, "Thor" <thorpub@rsgohio.com> wrote: > > > > >Bobby Knight wrote: > >> On 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 > >> >yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. > >> > > >> >Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up > >> >making bogey. > >> <clip> > >> >Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. > >> > >> Other players, in other tournaments, have hit the ball behind > >> bleachers, tents, etc., and been given very generous drops. > > > > > >But they never found the ball! And no convincing evidence that an > >outside angency moved it... just some kid picked up some ball... > > > >ThereforeI think it is very questionable.... no, I just think it was > >wrong. > > > > > >-- Thor > They did find the ball. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14518915/ > I'm anxiously awaiting a comment from the USGA though. Hmmm... not sure. The other articles I have read indicate they made the decision that his ball had been moved by an outside agency based only on the word of a security guard who heard this guy ask who was throwing balls at him and pick up A ball. I don't think that is sufficient evidence. This article does not really say if they actually did find the ball before the ruling was made. I haven't heard of them bringing this guy back to indicate exactly where he picked it up from. -- Thor
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 14:30:28
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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Bobby Knight wrote: > On 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 > >yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. > > > >Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up > >making bogey. > <clip> > >Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. > > Other players, in other tournaments, have hit the ball behind > bleachers, tents, etc., and been given very generous drops. But they never found the ball! And no convincing evidence that an outside angency moved it... just some kid picked up some ball... ThereforeI think it is very questionable.... no, I just think it was wrong. -- Thor
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 04:23:10
From: rich
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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"Thor" <thorpub@rsgohio.com > wrote in message news:1156627828.156450.151810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > But they never found the ball! And no convincing evidence that an > outside angency moved it... just some kid picked up some ball... > > ThereforeI think it is very questionable.... no, I just think it was > wrong. But even if there had been no evidence of an outside agency moving the ball, there still was ample evidence to think that the ball was lost in an immovable obstruction, which does not involve a lost ball penalty, no? And in that case the Temporary Immovable Obstruction rule that applies in PGA events would control and the relief granted. It seems to me that the whole issue of whether the ball was moved by an outside agency or it was lost in an immovable obstruction is academic, because in either case the relief was going to be from the Temporary Immovable Obstruction. Or am I missing something? Rich
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Date: 27 Aug 2006 05:15:49
From: rich
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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"rich" <dummy@nothere.com > wrote in message news:O69Ig.2368$Xl5.1819@trnddc06... > > "Thor" <thorpub@rsgohio.com> wrote in message > news:1156627828.156450.151810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >> But they never found the ball! And no convincing evidence that an >> outside angency moved it... just some kid picked up some ball... >> >> ThereforeI think it is very questionable.... no, I just think it was >> wrong. > > But even if there had been no evidence of an outside agency moving the > ball, there still was ample evidence to think that the ball was lost in an > immovable obstruction, which does not involve a lost ball penalty, no? > And in that case the Temporary Immovable Obstruction rule that applies in > PGA events would control and the relief granted. > > It seems to me that the whole issue of whether the ball was moved by an > outside agency or it was lost in an immovable obstruction is academic, > because in either case the relief was going to be from the Temporary > Immovable Obstruction. Or am I missing something? > > Rich I just read the transcript of the new conference and apparently the fact that the ball was found was significant in that it changed the place of the drop. Since the ball was found the drop was made at a distance that was the same as the distance where the ball was deemed to have been before it was moved by the outside agency, around 90 yards. If the ball had not been found then the drop would have been closer to the green, according to the rules officials. So the finding of the ball was actually a disadvantage. http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/news/story/r476/9620232 Excerpts: MIKE SHEA: If we hadn't found a ball, then we would have operated under a rule that deals with a ball lost in an obstruction, the obstruction being the clubhouse, and there's another rule procedure, and Tiger would have dropped the ball somewhere between the grandstand and the clubhouse where the ball would have entered on top of the clubhouse, the nearest point of relief from that. Once he dropped that ball, then he would have taken relief from the grandstand behind the 9 green. So he probably would have ended up playing his shot closer to the green than what he did, but it would have been towards the same on the same angle, but it would have been 30, 40, 50 yards closer to the flag stick probably. . . . MIKE SHEA: When we arrived there, I started a stopwatch running, just a little five minutes and two seconds, I think I clicked the watch, and I called to Dillard and Steve Carman and said we can operate under a lost ball rule, and Dillard said, no, we've already spotted where the ball is. He was within five minutes of knowing where the ball was picked up by this person originally, so they had a spot and reasonable evidence that the ball was taken by someone, and that's why the ball was never lost in the clubhouse. Rich
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Date: 26 Aug 2006 16:47:26
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Tiger's Big Break
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On 26 Aug 2006 14:30:28 -0700, "Thor" <thorpub@rsgohio.com > wrote: > >Bobby Knight wrote: >> On 25 Aug 2006 14:29:49 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> >If you haven't seen it yet, Tiger air mailed the 9th green by 100 >> >yards, onto the roof of the clubhouse. >> > >> >Long story short, he gets a FREE DROP no closer to the hole. Ends up >> >making bogey. >> <clip> >> >Only Tiger would have gotten this ruling. >> >> Other players, in other tournaments, have hit the ball behind >> bleachers, tents, etc., and been given very generous drops. > > >But they never found the ball! And no convincing evidence that an >outside angency moved it... just some kid picked up some ball... > >ThereforeI think it is very questionable.... no, I just think it was >wrong. > > >-- Thor They did find the ball. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14518915/ I'm anxiously awaiting a comment from the USGA though. ___, \o
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