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Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:04:56
From: Dene
Subject: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
They can break 80 at any course and often do.
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 04:04:22
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>
> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
> -Greg
>
Do you have a point here, or are you just being a jerk and throwing
feces at someone at random? I don't get the feeling that Mike "boasts"
about his handicap, the fact that he plays most of his golf at one
course says nothing about his character or his abilities, and you accuse
him of not posting scores with no apparent evidence.
Yes, I think local course knowledge is easily worth 2 or 3 strokes in a
round. Whether that reflects on your actual golf ability is debatable.
If he plays and posts by the rules, then his handicap is what it is. The
folks you mention may be better golfers than Mr. Dalecki ... so what?
Rob
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 22:23:24
From: gregg
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>
> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
> -Greg
>
I am so sick of your school boy crying. Grow a set of balls and quit
whining about what you know nothing about.
Mike shot a 76, I shot a 104 or 108. This was the first time we both saw
the course. He can beat you every time he saw you. On any course.
He's probably better than a 7.
Get use to it.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 02:55:38
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
<snip >
No matter how much you hump his leg, I don't think he's going
to love you.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:52:37
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:1T3edgnaIq0mN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>
> <snip>
>
> No matter how much you hump his leg, I don't think he's going
> to love you.
>
LOL --- you are winning this thread....
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:29:28
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores.
No... that's not the test. If your handicap is stabilized and you are
no longer improving you will most definitely not shoot your handicap
every time... under any conditions.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 02:17:49
From: Kenny Stultz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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In article <1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
gdstrue@aol.com says...
>
>In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
>track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
>RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
>scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>
>Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
>Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
>They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
>-Greg
>
He won the RSG-WI that I attended.
Try getting your facts straight.
--
Kenny Stultz - Troll and SPAM intolerant
"Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can
earn one a reputation for bad sportsmanship"
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 21:39:15
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1 Sep 2006 12:04:56 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
..... snippage
>He has never been a factor in his own tournament,
>
>-Greg
FWIW -- I only know of one host who has won his own tournament.
Organizing an event and playing well are essentially mutually
exclusive.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 22:32:09
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 12:04:56 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>
> ..... snippage
>
>
>>He has never been a factor in his own tournament,
>>
>>-Greg
>
>
> FWIW -- I only know of one host who has won his own tournament.
> Organizing an event and playing well are essentially mutually
> exclusive.
I didn't point it out because it wasn't necessary, but for what it's
worth, I won in 2003. The scratch award, not the handicap award.
Mike
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RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2006 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/pics/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:33:50
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 16:40:30 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Mike Dalecki wrote:
> >> and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
> >> the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
> >> dates:
> >>
> >> 7/21/2006 76 Denton
> >
> >I played that track once...it's not "easy"...some quirks that need
> >local knowledge. I think I shot 74 with a double on #13 (? par 3 over water)
>
> #16.
No, I par'd that one...the one before it...
Tex
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:45:06
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1 Sep 2006 17:33:50 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On 1 Sep 2006 16:40:30 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Mike Dalecki wrote:
>> >> and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
>> >> the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
>> >> dates:
>> >>
>> >> 7/21/2006 76 Denton
>> >
>> >I played that track once...it's not "easy"...some quirks that need
>> >local knowledge. I think I shot 74 with a double on #13 (? par 3 over water)
>>
>> #16.
>
>No, I par'd that one...the one before it...
>
>Tex
No water there. #3 has water all the way down the left side, and
with a finger going in front of the green, OB right.
It's a really good par 3. Maybe that one?
bk
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 02:53:31
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 17:33:50 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Bobby Knight wrote:
>>> On 1 Sep 2006 16:40:30 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Mike Dalecki wrote:
>>> >> and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
>>> >> the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
>>> >> dates:
>>> >>
>>> >> 7/21/2006 76 Denton
>>> >
>>> >I played that track once...it's not "easy"...some quirks that need
>>> >local knowledge. I think I shot 74 with a double on #13 (? par 3 over water)
>>>
>>> #16.
>>
>>No, I par'd that one...the one before it...
>>
>>Tex
> No water there. #3 has water all the way down the left side, and
> with a finger going in front of the green, OB right.
> It's a really good par 3. Maybe that one?
It was #3. I remember it pretty clearly.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:23:37
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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most golfer's handicap never become a tangible item.:--)
>m h o
>=A0v =83e
>d r i v e =A0l e s s =A0- =A0h e l p =A0c r e a t e =A0a =A0g l u t
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:16:07
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:poihf2pfmabcnt7dumjnuni19af3e4esm9@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:28:06 -0400, "A Brick in the Wall"
> <NoSpam@NoThanks.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> <clip>
>>What does confound me is that you don't understand the handicap process
>>better...
>>
>
> He understands. Just a ploy to take potshots at someone he doesn't
> like.
> _
There is evidence to support your conclusion..... I guess he's so desperate
for a foe that he's willing to make himself look foolish to mount an attack.
Now that is a good definition of pathetic in my book
__,
> \o
>
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:04:11
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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long&left wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
> (major snippage)
> >
> > I suggest you ask Scott Newell for the list of RSG-NW attendees, so you
> > can get a head start on the invitation list.
> >
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Count me out!!
We've never met and yet I remember you piling on last December.
Anything to get "in." What a wannabe.
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:26:06
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
>>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>>(major snippage)
>>
>>>I suggest you ask Scott Newell for the list of RSG-NW attendees, so you
>>>can get a head start on the invitation list.
>>>
>>
>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Count me out!!
>
>
>
> We've never met and yet I remember you piling on last December.
> Anything to get "in." What a wannabe.
>
> -Greg
>
hey asshole, at least I was invited to RSG-NW. I don't need to meet you
to know who you "are"...
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 11:34:29
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Tex wrote:
> You don't irratate me you ignoramous, in fact, I take great joy in
> picking on you...kinda like picking on the retarded kid, but in your
> case you are slightly smart enough to understand my verbals jabs.
>
> Tex
Ah yes, a replay of your glory days in middle school.
-Greg
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 21:34:53
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Carbon wrote:
> > Yes.
> >
> > The sickest I've been in my life was in the presence of Eric and his
> > wife. They took excellent care of me.
>
> I remember your post about that. Kidney stones are no joke, and I do not
> doubt Eric's skill as a nurse. His sanity on the other hand...
Life with Eric ain't dull. : >
-Greg
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 11:22:37
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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MnMikew wrote:
> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1157736381.189098.47500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> >> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> >> >> > telling these tales.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think,
> >> >> unlike
> >> >> you
> >> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
> >> >
> >> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
> >> >
> >> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
> >
> > Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with you about them :)
> >
> > Tex
> >
> I'd give up golf before beer. :-)
I'd eat a bullet before giving up golf...besides, didn't say I stopped
drinking :) Just gave up beer. Might still enjoy a single malt with a
cigar from time to time....
Tex
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:28:52
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 8 Sep 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>MnMikew wrote:
>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157736381.189098.47500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
>> >> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
>> >> >> > telling these tales.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think,
>> >> >> unlike
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
>> >> >
>> >> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
>> >
>> > Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with you about them :)
>> >
>> > Tex
>> >
>> I'd give up golf before beer. :-)
>
>I'd eat a bullet before giving up golf...besides, didn't say I stopped
>drinking :) Just gave up beer. Might still enjoy a single malt with a
>cigar from time to time....
>
>Tex
I thought you gave up cigars as well.
--
jvdp
Paging Mike Plowinske. You are on the tee Sept 16.
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:42:56
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> Note: I don't know Scott, have never met him, have never
> attended RSG-NW, have exchanged maybe two emails with him
> ever.
Wow. All this time I thought you were #6. ; >
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:02:21
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 9 Sep 2006 13:42:56 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>Wow. All this time I thought you were #6. ;>
Who's number 1?
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:22:55
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Ben. wrote:
> The Hammer wrote:
>
> > I cannot imagine a class act like Thor allowing something like
> > this to happen. Shows the difference between a gentleman and a.......,
> > well maybe i had better just keep my mouth shut!
>
> The difference between a gentleman and, say, someone who on the one
> hand calls Greg a "cumwad" and then admits it was a troll for
> attention? I'm sure your sick mind can reconcile the two, so I won't
> bother calling attention to the inherent incompatibility.
Ben,
It was a gag. Nothing more.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:17:25
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The Hammer wrote:
> I cannot imagine a class act like Thor allowing something like
> this to happen. Shows the difference between a gentleman and a.......,
> well maybe i had better just keep my mouth shut!
The difference between a gentleman and, say, someone who on the one
hand calls Greg a "cumwad" and then admits it was a troll for
attention? I'm sure your sick mind can reconcile the two, so I won't
bother calling attention to the inherent incompatibility.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:57:44
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> > What's to criticize? He's the absolute best I've seen at
> > using Google to expose hypocrites and liars for being
> > hypocrites and liars. And he's smart enough to do very
> > little editorializing of his own. So, seriously, what's
> > to criticize?
>
> His claim to fame, especially since he has nothing to say about golf.
> It's an example of your C-list circle-jerking in RSG. Rob and Eric had
> an argument which resolved itself 459 days ago. BFD.
>
> You're a married man. Don't you love it when you wife brings up stuff
> 460 days ago.
>
> Speaking of marriage, the #!^%@ shed awaits, plus I have to vacuum,
> clean the kitchen, water the plants, reheat yesterday's pizza.....
>
> I COULD BE PLAYING GOLF!!!
>
> -Greg
The funny thing is that Rob and I have long admitted we were both at
fault, we shook hands, and have not even thought about it since I can
remember. Yet, the cronies keep bringing it up. Recycling it, just
for the sheer fun of it.
If this gives the cronies delight, they can recycle this again and
again. Whatever makes them happy. Go for it guys!
the Hammer
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:08:22
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157828264.548766.64930@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> The funny thing is that Rob and I have long admitted we were both at
> fault, we shook hands, and have not even thought about it since I can
> remember. Yet, the cronies keep bringing it up. Recycling it, just
> for the sheer fun of it.
>
> If this gives the cronies delight, they can recycle this again and
> again. Whatever makes them happy. Go for it guys!
p.s. you never did answer why you thought that assaulting someone for having
poorly organized a golf tournament would be acceptable bevavior.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:06:11
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157828264.548766.64930@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> The funny thing is that Rob and I have long admitted we were both at
> fault, we shook hands, and have not even thought about it since I can
> remember. Yet, the cronies keep bringing it up. Recycling it, just
> for the sheer fun of it.
> If this gives the cronies delight, they can recycle this again and
> again. Whatever makes them happy. Go for it guys!
I'll be delighted to. You boasted that you gossiped about Rob and his wife,
yet you claim to abhor gossip. Regardless as to whether you and Rob have
kissed and made up, is that not hypocritical behavior?
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:48:07
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan <nospam@nospam.net > wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157828264.548766.64930@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> The funny thing is that Rob and I have long admitted we were both at
>> fault, we shook hands, and have not even thought about it since I can
>> remember. Yet, the cronies keep bringing it up. Recycling it, just
>> for the sheer fun of it.
>
>> If this gives the cronies delight, they can recycle this again and
>> again. Whatever makes them happy. Go for it guys!
>
> I'll be delighted to. You boasted that you gossiped about Rob and his wife,
> yet you claim to abhor gossip. Regardless as to whether you and Rob have
> kissed and made up, is that not hypocritical behavior?
It's ok when he does it.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 04:40:58
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 9-Sep-2006, "The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan"
<nospam@nospam.net > wrote:
> Regardless as to whether you and Rob have
> kissed and made up, is that not hypocritical behavior?
Hypocrisy is a part of the human condition; anyone who says they haven't
behaved thusly is a, well, a hypocrite. Just try to keep it to a minimum,
SVP.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 05:00:00
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote in message
news:4504e8cf$0$23899$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com...
>
> On 9-Sep-2006, "The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan"
> <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> Regardless as to whether you and Rob have
>> kissed and made up, is that not hypocritical behavior?
>
> Hypocrisy is a part of the human condition; anyone who says they haven't
> behaved thusly is a, well, a hypocrite. Just try to keep it to a minimum,
> SVP.
IOW, to a sub-Strulowitzian level. I get it.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:29:44
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
.
>
> It ain't working. You haven't exposed a single falsehood in
> Scott's account, as far as I have seen.
Read closer or better yet, let's quit talking about this. The only
reason I'm on RSG right now is that my wife's out of town and I'm
ducking my honeydo list. I have a Rubbermaid Big Max storage shed that
I'm dreading to assemble.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:16:34
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> newellsatwsu wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> > > It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
> > > when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
> > > it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
> > > together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
> > > Lewiston.
> >
> > You might want to look at your email & RSG post archives about all of
> > that silence during your public relations campaign re: RSGNW June -
> > December 2005. Your behavior, grudges and never ending whining on RSG
> > during that period (and before) got to the point that six people
> > emailed me privately in November & December 2005 asking not to be
> > paired with you at RSGNW. That was the catalyst that made me make the
> > decision to exclude you from RSGNW. Like any negotiation or series of
> > complaints about your behavior would have done any good.
> >
> > It really had nothing to do with my relationship with you; it had
> > everything about your other relationships within RSG & RSGNW.
> >
> > You can keep spinning it however you want Greg.
>
> I'm simply calling you out on your lies and cowardly behavior.
>
> -Greg
It is black and white too. It is amazing seeing this guy spin and spin
and spin.
There is no excuse for what happened to you starting last December.
You run an event, you expect others to come, be grateful, and just shut
the fuck up if they don't like someone. Golf is supposed to be a
genetlemen's game. I did not see a whole lot of gentlemen-like
behavior with this host or a share of the participants.
The Hammer
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:36:07
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157825794.132986.158530@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> There is no excuse for what happened to you starting last December.
> You run an event, you expect others to come, be grateful, and just shut
> the fuck up if they don't like someone. Golf is supposed to be a
> genetlemen's game. I did not see a whole lot of gentlemen-like
> behavior with this host or a share of the participants.
>
> The Hammer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well here's an example of your ( Hammer's ) gentlemanly behavior about an
RSG Event.....
~~
"All the participants who came to the SCHMASTERS felt it to be poorly
organziaed. It did not appraoch the expertise that I have seen Randy or
Dalecki in their events. You were winging it, there was no structure and
everyone picked up on it. You oversold it all. The bottom line is that
after the behavior of you and your significant other, the ENTIRE GROUP
wanted nothing to do with either of you. It was a group consensus. So we
enjoyed the rest of the outing without you'all, and we actually had a great
time. And I mean a great time. To the point, that we all will probably do
it again this year, but this time without your puss to deal with."
and
"We rejected you, because we all drove a long way and spent a lot of money
and frankly did not want to see your misireable kisser again for the rest of
the remaining days.."
and
"You are damn right you
were made Persona Non Gratis by myself and the ENTIRE GROUP.. I will not
share specfics with RSG, with all due respect it is no ones business. You
have enough issues to deal with, I willl not add to it by attacking you
publicly. You deserved what you got. Every bit of it. I don't regret
it and relish in the fact that you got exactly what you deserved."
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:02:03
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
...replacing Alan Charbonneau as catcher....The amazing....GREEEEEEEEER!
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 23:46:45
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The POSER formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
> Yeah, you know how to deal with any issues that arise involving your
> attendees.
>
> Listen up, fellow golf tournament organizers and you will learn something;
> Eric's great skill in dealing with people may rub off on you if you just
> follow his rules.
>
> Let's say someone says he will attend and then changes his mind. First
> rule, do not email them privately. Second rule, do not ask them why they
> are not attending, just jump from your unwarrented assumptions to your
> foregone conclusions. Third, and most important rule, blast them in RSG!
Tis a mystery who the crony-list mole is,
But the go-fer's identity is obvious.
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:40:30
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
> the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
> dates:
>
> 7/21/2006 76 Denton
I played that track once...it's not "easy"...some quirks that need
local knowledge.
I think I shot 74 with a double on #13 (? par 3 over water)
> 9/18/2005 79 Away (the Sunday course at RSG-Ohio; was even after 12,
> then back problems erupted)
I played with Mike for this round....there was nothing but good ball
striking and good course management...until his back tweeked, he was
playing well and nothing could be said like "good breaks", it was just
all good golf.
Tex
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:06:09
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1 Sep 2006 16:40:30 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>> and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
>> the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
>> dates:
>>
>> 7/21/2006 76 Denton
>
>I played that track once...it's not "easy"...some quirks that need
>local knowledge. I think I shot 74 with a double on #13 (? par 3 over water)
#16.
___,
\o
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:36:30
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> Normally, for reasons that are obvious to anyone who said they wouldn't
> go to RSG-NW if Dene attended, and probably everyone else on RSG, I
> don't pay attention to what this person writes. But sometimes I see his
> extensive brainpower expressed in the reply of someone else, so I saw it
> this time.
You're a liar. You respond to every post directed at you, plus some.
> And like shooting fish in a barrel, it's fun to reply sometimes. Like now.
Guess you can't resist shootin the fish, cheezbutt.
> Dene wrote:
> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>
> Perhaps you could point that out? Where did I boast about it?
Dalecki/Pitt debate ad-nauseum.
> I've been between a 6.7 and about 8.2 this year. I point that out
> occasionally in context in a post.
>
> If you pointed out that you are a 14 handicap, would that also be
> boasting? Of course not.
How astute.
> > What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> > track.
>
> Admit? You sound like Ken Pitts. My scores are what they are. I've
> been very busy this summer, playing much less that normal, and have had
> very little time for playing anywhere, much less here.
>
> The only rounds I've played away this year were RSG-Wisconsin, at The
> Broadlands, The Oaks, and at Bobby's course in Denton. Sorry if that
> doesn't suit you.
>
> And for what it's worth: You should ask those who came to RSG-Wisconsin
> about 3 years ago how easy my "home track" is.
Never said it was easy. It is easier to maintain a lower index by
primarily posting lower scores on a course you're intimately familar
with, and leaving out the bad.
> > He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> > RSG tournament.
>
> If you ever organized a tournament, you'd realize that it's difficult to
> arrange everything *and* play well. I find myself not having time to
> warm up properly, or hit putts, or do a number of other things I'd
> normally do to warm up, as I'm busy organizing, making sure foursomes
> are set up, getting things handed out, and so on.
No argument.
> I don't organize RSG-W to prove how good, or not good, my golf game is.
> I enjoy the cameraderie--welcoming friends back, enjoying the game,
> and so on--such that how I shoot is not that important.
News for you. Scott won his own tournament.
> Here's an idea: Why don't you organize an RSG event? Get 15 or 20
> RSG'ers to show up, then see how well you do at your own event.
Here's an idea. Win at RSG-Ohio and join the ranks of Annika, Pitts,
etc.
> I suggest you ask Scott Newell for the list of RSG-NW attendees, so you
> can get a head start on the invitation list.
Already have the list. Difficult to host another NW tourney, given
that the weather is so wonderful in May.
> > In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> > scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>
> I think you should learn something about how an index is calculated.
>
> I think you should also think about how well your arguments hold water
> when someone looks closely at them. If you go to my online page which
> shows my index, here:
>
> http://www.starplan.com/member/lookup/ScoreHistory.aspx?ID=j46829l0b&EGLNumber=187752
>
> and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
> the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
> dates:
>
> 7/21/2006 76 Denton
> 6/29/2006 82 Yahara East (Should be 6/24, as it was RSG-Wisconsin)
> 6/23/2006 82 Yahara East
> 6/25/2006 78 The Oaks
> 4/17/2006 77 The Broadlands
> 9/18/2005 79 Away (the Sunday course at RSG-Ohio; was even after 12,
> then back problems erupted)
> 9/17/2005 89 Away (tourney course at RSG-Ohio; back problems.)
> 9/17/2005 75 Away (Friday round at RSG-Ohio)
>
> There--you have 8 scores posted at away courses in the past year.
>
> See anything of interest?
I see that you play/post at your home course a lot.
> > Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> > Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> > They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
> That's fine. They're good golfers.
Of whom you do not compare.....
> But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
> golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game, never have played
> with Brad, but the other three are better.
>
> Does that make my handicap imaginary? Of course not--what they can do
> has absolutely nothing to do with me.
As a "7" you should be right with them, contending in every RSG
tournament.
> Enough people have seen me shoot good scores that I don't worry about
> the perceptions others have of me.
Then why are you defending yourself?
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:12:41
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
>>Normally, for reasons that are obvious to anyone who said they wouldn't
>>go to RSG-NW if Dene attended, and probably everyone else on RSG, I
>>don't pay attention to what this person writes. But sometimes I see his
>>extensive brainpower expressed in the reply of someone else, so I saw it
>>this time.
>
>
> You're a liar. You respond to every post directed at you, plus some.
Every post? Are you nuts? Never mind--rhetorical question.
>>And like shooting fish in a barrel, it's fun to reply sometimes. Like now.
>
>
> Guess you can't resist shootin the fish, cheezbutt.
Nice.
>
>>Dene wrote:
>>
>>>In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>>
>>Perhaps you could point that out? Where did I boast about it?
>
>
> Dalecki/Pitt debate ad-nauseum.
I'm sorry, I don't recall that and can't find it. Please point it
out--innuendo doesn't count. Specific posts, please.
>>I've been between a 6.7 and about 8.2 this year. I point that out
>>occasionally in context in a post.
>>
>>If you pointed out that you are a 14 handicap, would that also be
>>boasting? Of course not.
>
>
> How astute.
Are you jealous? Is that it? Sheesh.
>>> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
>>>track.
>>
>>Admit? You sound like Ken Pitts. My scores are what they are. I've
>>been very busy this summer, playing much less that normal, and have had
>>very little time for playing anywhere, much less here.
>>
>>The only rounds I've played away this year were RSG-Wisconsin, at The
>>Broadlands, The Oaks, and at Bobby's course in Denton. Sorry if that
>>doesn't suit you.
>>
>>And for what it's worth: You should ask those who came to RSG-Wisconsin
>>about 3 years ago how easy my "home track" is.
>
>
> Never said it was easy. It is easier to maintain a lower index by
> primarily posting lower scores on a course you're intimately familar
> with, and leaving out the bad.
Leaving out the bad? Yeah, sure.
>>>He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
>>>RSG tournament.
>>
>>If you ever organized a tournament, you'd realize that it's difficult to
>>arrange everything *and* play well. I find myself not having time to
>>warm up properly, or hit putts, or do a number of other things I'd
>>normally do to warm up, as I'm busy organizing, making sure foursomes
>>are set up, getting things handed out, and so on.
>
>
> No argument.
Whether I was a factor or not, has nothing to do with anything. I don't
organize those events to win, I organize them so the people attending
have a good time.
>>I don't organize RSG-W to prove how good, or not good, my golf game is.
>> I enjoy the cameraderie--welcoming friends back, enjoying the game,
>>and so on--such that how I shoot is not that important.
>
>
> News for you. Scott won his own tournament.
So what? I won it in 2003. But mostly, to focus on winning a
tournament instead of being a good host would be silly. If it happens,
it happens. But I'd rather see everyone else have a good time than win
the tournament.
>>Here's an idea: Why don't you organize an RSG event? Get 15 or 20
>>RSG'ers to show up, then see how well you do at your own event.
>
>
> Here's an idea. Win at RSG-Ohio and join the ranks of Annika, Pitts,
> etc.
I'll try hard, but winning or not winning will do nothing to change what
my skill level is.
>>I suggest you ask Scott Newell for the list of RSG-NW attendees, so you
>>can get a head start on the invitation list.
>
>
> Already have the list. Difficult to host another NW tourney, given
> that the weather is so wonderful in May.
Difficult? Well, what about another month? Surely you can find one.
>
>>>In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
>>>scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>>
>>I think you should learn something about how an index is calculated.
>>
>>I think you should also think about how well your arguments hold water
>>when someone looks closely at them. If you go to my online page which
>>shows my index, here:
>>
>>http://www.starplan.com/member/lookup/ScoreHistory.aspx?ID=j46829l0b&EGLNumber=187752
>>
>>and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
>>the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
>>dates:
>>
>>7/21/2006 76 Denton
>>6/29/2006 82 Yahara East (Should be 6/24, as it was RSG-Wisconsin)
>>6/23/2006 82 Yahara East
>>6/25/2006 78 The Oaks
>>4/17/2006 77 The Broadlands
>>9/18/2005 79 Away (the Sunday course at RSG-Ohio; was even after 12,
>>then back problems erupted)
>>9/17/2005 89 Away (tourney course at RSG-Ohio; back problems.)
>>9/17/2005 75 Away (Friday round at RSG-Ohio)
>>
>>There--you have 8 scores posted at away courses in the past year.
>>
>>See anything of interest?
>
>
> I see that you play/post at your home course a lot.
But your argument was that I don't play well elsewhere. Do you see it
now? Of those eight scores, five of them are in the 70s.
That's FIVE. Or five of eight. Or 62.5%.
My gosh, Greg, don't you feel just the tiniest bit foolish when this
kind of thing comes back to bite you in the butt?
You've been, um, proven wrong. Again.
Aren't you getting tired of this? And it's not just me--how many others
have posted today and refuted your arguments?
And finally, do you think you're making it more or less likely that
people will want to be paired on the golf course with you in the future?
>
>>>Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
>>>Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
>>>They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>>
>>That's fine. They're good golfers.
>
>
> Of whom you do not compare.....
So? I don't live my life to beat those guys. If they're better
golfers, they're better golfers. I play golf for enjoyment, not as a
way to see whose is bigger.
Is that the only reason you play? To see whose is bigger?
>>But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
>>golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game, never have played
>>with Brad, but the other three are better.
>>
>>Does that make my handicap imaginary? Of course not--what they can do
>>has absolutely nothing to do with me.
>
>
> As a "7" you should be right with them, contending in every RSG
> tournament.
Wow.
Let me teach you something about making arguments. You should always
try to think of the ways in which someone can refute your argument, and
if there's a way, you should build an argument so it cannot be refuted,
or refrain from pushing the send button.
I haven't been a 7 forever. Just two years.
Last year, I had serious back problems. I have arthritis and
degeneration in L4-L5. Serious enough that two years ago, I had a cyst
removed (the surgeon thinks it was caused by the L4-L5 problem). My
game was totally dependent on the back. It came and went at RSG-Ohio,
and that's the way it was.
Further, and a really smart guy like you must realize this almost
instantly, a 7 isn't generally going to beat guys who are in the 2-3
index range, of which there are usually a few at an outing. If I played
Bret 10 times in a row, I'd beat him maybe once or twice: Once because
I played great, and once because he blew up. The rest of the time, the
differences in our skill levels will cause him to win.
So being a 7 isn't a panacea.
>>Enough people have seen me shoot good scores that I don't worry about
>>the perceptions others have of me.
>
>
> Then why are you defending yourself?
You confuse my pointing out your stupidity with defending something.
Two questions for you: When it was determined last May that there were,
in fact, 6 people who indicated they wouldn't want to attend RSG-NW if
you did, seems to me you said you'd leave RSG and never come back.
Why are you back? And, what's your word worth, anyway?
Mike
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RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:05:36
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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>Why are you back? And, what's your word worth, anyway?
>Mike
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 23:54:45
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote
>
> I see that you play/post at your home course a lot.
And what, pray tell, is your point with THAT remark?
Most people -- and by "most," I mean a majority of golfers -- play "a lot"
at their home course, therefore they post "a lot" at their home course.
This just in: That's why it's called their HOME course.
Personally, I like to play a lot of different courses. But even I,
occasionally, fall into the rut of playing the same course over and over for
a period of time. Part of the reason is because I'm lucky to find time for
a round of golf, let alone drive all over creation to find a new place to
play, so my "home" course, which happens to be close, gets the nod.
What difference does it make, anyway?
The real point of this whole thread was for you, Greg Schoenberg, to find,
out of the clear blue, a reason to attack Mike Dalecki.
Mission accomplished.
Although in the process, you once again showed the world that you're a turd
in a punchbowl who picks fights without provocation.
Like we needed to be reminded.
>
>> Enough people have seen me shoot good scores that I don't worry about
>> the perceptions others have of me.
>
> Then why are you defending yourself?
Greg, I know life would be so much easier for you if you could just attack
people and they would choose to lie down and not defend themselves. But
when they do defend themselves -- as you surely would if attacked -- you
then attack them for defending themselves, as you've done here.
So tell us, Greggy-poo, what would be Mike's winning move here? To let your
attacks of him go without response?
You're a fuckin' retarded head case. You do know that, right?
Randy
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:06:47
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Rude Dog wrote:
> The 10 differentials that count toward my current index range from 3.6 to
> 12.4. Only 3 of those scores were in the 70s (72, 78, 78). The 10 that don't
> count toward my current index range from 12.5 to 21.8. Included in those
> were 5 scores of 87 or higher (87, 88, 89, 92, 95). My current index is 8.7,
> but according to you I'm not a "true" single digit handicapper.
RD is an 8.7 and I'm an 8.9. I have a great deal of respect for
Adrian's game. While I like the fact that I'm a "Single Digit" guy and
half of my best 10 are sub-80's, I don't really consider myself a
golfer of his calibre. Close, but, he'd prolly win a Best Of Seven
series.
Sometimes, I think these numbers (or our importance placed on them) are
over-rated.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:00:30
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
> golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game,
I understand he kills the ball...
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 22:12:59
From: IcUrdazedandconfused
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1 Sep 2006 16:00:30 -0700, "dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com >
wrote:
>
>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>> But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
>> golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game,
>
>I understand he kills the ball...
Trust me, he does....
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:10:12
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1-Sep-2006, "dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com > wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
> > But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
> > golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game,
>
> I understand he kills the ball...
Yeah and he leaves the corpses lying around the house!
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:53:00
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Rude Dog wrote:
> > "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> > > What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> > > track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> > > RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> > > scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
> > >
> > > Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> > > Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> > > They can break 80 at any course and often do.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> > >
> >
> > The 10 differentials that count toward my current index range from 3.6 to
> > 12.4. Only 3 of those scores were in the 70s (72, 78, 78). The 10 that don't
> > count toward my current index range from 12.5 to 21.8. Included in those
> > were 5 scores of 87 or higher (87, 88, 89, 92, 95). My current index is 8.7,
> > but according to you I'm not a "true" single digit handicapper.
>
> Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores.
That's the misunderstanding of handicaps...your handicap index is your
potential.
Unless you shoot the exact same score each time you play (Tiger doesn't
even do that!) your index and your "average" score will be vastly
different.
Tex
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:49:34
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Normally, for reasons that are obvious to anyone who said they wouldn't
go to RSG-NW if Dene attended, and probably everyone else on RSG, I
don't pay attention to what this person writes. But sometimes I see his
extensive brainpower expressed in the reply of someone else, so I saw it
this time.
And like shooting fish in a barrel, it's fun to reply sometimes. Like now.
Dene wrote:
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
Perhaps you could point that out? Where did I boast about it?
I've been between a 6.7 and about 8.2 this year. I point that out
occasionally in context in a post.
If you pointed out that you are a 14 handicap, would that also be
boasting? Of course not.
> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> track.
Admit? You sound like Ken Pitts. My scores are what they are. I've
been very busy this summer, playing much less that normal, and have had
very little time for playing anywhere, much less here.
The only rounds I've played away this year were RSG-Wisconsin, at The
Broadlands, The Oaks, and at Bobby's course in Denton. Sorry if that
doesn't suit you.
And for what it's worth: You should ask those who came to RSG-Wisconsin
about 3 years ago how easy my "home track" is.
> He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> RSG tournament.
If you ever organized a tournament, you'd realize that it's difficult to
arrange everything *and* play well. I find myself not having time to
warm up properly, or hit putts, or do a number of other things I'd
normally do to warm up, as I'm busy organizing, making sure foursomes
are set up, getting things handed out, and so on.
I don't organize RSG-W to prove how good, or not good, my golf game is.
I enjoy the cameraderie--welcoming friends back, enjoying the game,
and so on--such that how I shoot is not that important.
Here's an idea: Why don't you organize an RSG event? Get 15 or 20
RSG'ers to show up, then see how well you do at your own event.
I suggest you ask Scott Newell for the list of RSG-NW attendees, so you
can get a head start on the invitation list.
> In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
I think you should learn something about how an index is calculated.
I think you should also think about how well your arguments hold water
when someone looks closely at them. If you go to my online page which
shows my index, here:
http://www.starplan.com/member/lookup/ScoreHistory.aspx?ID=j46829l0b&EGLNumber=187752
and you click the "all scores" button, you'll see scores posted back to
the beginning of 2005. Of particular interest are the scores from these
dates:
7/21/2006 76 Denton
6/29/2006 82 Yahara East (Should be 6/24, as it was RSG-Wisconsin)
6/23/2006 82 Yahara East
6/25/2006 78 The Oaks
4/17/2006 77 The Broadlands
9/18/2005 79 Away (the Sunday course at RSG-Ohio; was even after 12,
then back problems erupted)
9/17/2005 89 Away (tourney course at RSG-Ohio; back problems.)
9/17/2005 75 Away (Friday round at RSG-Ohio)
There--you have 8 scores posted at away courses in the past year.
See anything of interest?
>
> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
That's fine. They're good golfers.
But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game, never have played
with Brad, but the other three are better.
Does that make my handicap imaginary? Of course not--what they can do
has absolutely nothing to do with me.
Enough people have seen me shoot good scores that I don't worry about
the perceptions others have of me.
I wonder if you, on the other hand, lie awake at night worrying about that.
Mike
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RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2006 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/pics/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:54:38
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Mike Dalecki" <mike@dalecki.net > wrote in message
news:4lrrnrF3dd6vU1@individual.net...
> But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
> golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game, never have played
> with Brad, but the other three are better.
I'm ducking you.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:00:34
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > writes:
> "Mike Dalecki" <mike@dalecki.net> wrote in message
> news:4lrrnrF3dd6vU1@individual.net...
> > But that has what to do with me? Every one of them is likely a better
> > golfer than I am. I don't know about Sparky's game, never have played
> > with Brad, but the other three are better.
>
> I'm ducking you.
I have seen him eat breakfast, you are making a wise choice.
--
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mr. Aress Gee
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:58:02
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
(major snippage)
>
> I suggest you ask Scott Newell for the list of RSG-NW attendees, so you
> can get a head start on the invitation list.
>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Count me out!!
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 10:38:27
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Tex wrote:
>
> Yet you continue to read/digest/reply....
>
> It must be a small shallow world you live in that your sole purpose in
> returning to RSG (how many times?) is to just stir up shit among those
> that mostly think of you as a Turd in the Punchbowl of Life. Oops,
> maybe I'll get sued for that...
>
> Yet, you'll have all us believe that life is wonderful for you, you are
> successful and you don't need "this place"....So why is it you are
> here?
>
> Tex
Tis the facts. I do have a wonderful life sans the addictions that
carry you through your existence.
As for my presence here, my decision to participate, lurk, or leave are
entirely my own and absolutely none of your business. However, I'm
glad to know my presence irritates you.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 21:13:58
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene wrote:
> Given that, I'm not going to waste
> my time with you, especially in taking your bait for another one of
> your typical LLarry-like debates.
>
> The last word is yours, Newt. Be sure to impress your heroes.
Nearly twelve hours and four lieing posts later
Dene wrote:
> I don't like lies or liars.
I guess that explains why you don't like yourself.
Only a crazy would continue to self-mutilate himself for public display
and continue to say one thing and do another....especially someone who
doesn't like lies or liars.
There's a difference for me...mine weren't lies...one was a poor choice
of words (for which I apologized soon after), and the other is simply
an issue of semantics (RSGNW mail list = RSGNW invite list).
Keep fighting and lieing, Greg.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 09:59:27
From: larry
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
On 7 Sep 2006 21:13:58 -0700, "newellsatwsu"
<newellatwsu@adelphia.net > wrote:
>Dene wrote:
>> Given that, I'm not going to waste
>> my time with you, especially in taking your bait for another one of
>> your typical LLarry-like debates.
>>
>> The last word is yours, Newt. Be sure to impress your heroes.
>
>Nearly twelve hours and four lieing posts later
>
>Dene wrote:
>> I don't like lies or liars.
>
>I guess that explains why you don't like yourself.
>
>Only a crazy would continue to self-mutilate himself for public display
>and continue to say one thing and do another....especially someone who
>doesn't like lies or liars.
>
>There's a difference for me...mine weren't lies...one was a poor choice
>of words (for which I apologized soon after), and the other is simply
>an issue of semantics (RSGNW mail list = RSGNW invite list).
>
>Keep fighting and lieing, Greg.
Whew! You guys don't realize (or maybe you do!) how nutty you
sound-- to someone who just looks at the posts in RSG now and then.
What comes through in a quick overview of a thread like this is the
desperation some of you feel--at the very prospect of rejection by the
clique. Wow, amazing that so many of you value the acceptance of a
bunch of losers!!!
Get a life!! Do something else with your time!!! Several of you
have become myopic by just sitting in front of a computer with RSG
up-- almost salivating for the next post-- all day every day!!!! Your
desperation to regain acceptance means you actually think this silly
stuff is important!! That is a form of insanity. You are letting
this make you a sicko. Get a life!
Larry (the KING of RSG (when I condescend to click on it))
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 10:58:54
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene wrote:
> Tex wrote:
>
> >
> > Yet you continue to read/digest/reply....
> >
> > It must be a small shallow world you live in that your sole purpose in
> > returning to RSG (how many times?) is to just stir up shit among those
> > that mostly think of you as a Turd in the Punchbowl of Life. Oops,
> > maybe I'll get sued for that...
> >
> > Yet, you'll have all us believe that life is wonderful for you, you are
> > successful and you don't need "this place"....So why is it you are
> > here?
> >
> > Tex
>
> Tis the facts. I do have a wonderful life sans the addictions that
> carry you through your existence.
>
> As for my presence here, my decision to participate, lurk, or leave are
> entirely my own and absolutely none of your business. However, I'm
> glad to know my presence irritates you.
You don't irratate me you ignoramous, in fact, I take great joy in
picking on you...kinda like picking on the retarded kid, but in your
case you are slightly smart enough to understand my verbals jabs.
Tex
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 10:49:24
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
newellsatwsu wrote:
<bait ignored >
>
> Quit lieing about your actions Greg and I'll quit replacing them with
> the ever-growing evidence that coincidentially validates my decision to
> pull you from the RSGNW mailing list.
I was never on nor aware of the RSGNW mailing list. I recall some mass
mailings prior to the tournament but that was limited. The only active
RSG mailing lists I was participated in was RSG-OH and the C-list.
-Greg
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:26:21
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
MnMikew wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> >> > telling these tales.
> >> >
> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike
> >> you
> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
> >
> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
> >
> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with you about them :)
Tex
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:53:06
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157736381.189098.47500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
>> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
>> >> > telling these tales.
>> >> >
>> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think,
>> >> unlike
>> >> you
>> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
>> >
>> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
>> >
>> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
>
> Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with you about them :)
>
> Tex
>
I'd give up golf before beer. :-)
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:26:03
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
MnMikew wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> >> > telling these tales.
> >> >
> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike
> >> you
> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
> >
> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
> >
> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with about them :)
Tex
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 08:30:44
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene wrote:
> bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > >
> > How can you say Eric is "harmless but amusing"? He has access to sick
> > patients relying on him for their life. We have watched his descent
> > into madness. We have read his posts about how entire peoples should be
> > killed. What if he decides to start exterminating those he deems guilty
> > of some "Eric sin"? Many nurses go this route. Would you let this man
> > within 100 yards of your loved ones?
>
> Yes.
>
> The sickest I've been in my life was in the presence of Eric and his
> wife. They took excellent care of me.
>
> -Greg
How very lucky for you that you are not of the Muslim religion or any
of the anti-Israeli countrys. You might not be here.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 07:09:43
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Steve S wrote:
> <bigoldcat2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157724053.250385.191890@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > How can you say Eric is "harmless but amusing"? He has access to sick
> > patients relying on him for their life. We have watched his descent
> > into madness. We have read his posts about how entire peoples should be
> > killed. What if he decides to start exterminating those he deems guilty
> > of some "Eric sin"? Many nurses go this route. Would you let this man
> > within 100 yards of your loved ones?
> >
>
> You mean something like this?
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/18/hospital.deaths/index.html .
>
> According to Eric you can wish death on "entire peoples" but if you wish
> death on one person on RSG you are a scrotal wart (BTW does compund W work
> on that?)
>
> Yeah, I would watch him yell at strangers while sipping my wine. I have
> eccentric tastes in amusement.
You guys are really making me laugh. This is class A entertainment.
Gotta give you credit for the imagination and creativity. Thank you ,
thank you for the laughs!
The Hammer
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 22:52:52
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
newellsatwsu wrote:
> Keep fighting and lieing, Greg.
Rest assure, I'll keep fighting, for myself, and occasionally for
others.
LYING is your dept.
-Greg
BTW....it now appears you didn't represent RR accurately. Shocker.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 22:43:46
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
newellsatwsu wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Given that, I'm not going to waste
> > my time with you, especially in taking your bait for another one of
> > your typical LLarry-like debates.
> >
> > The last word is yours, Newt. Be sure to impress your heroes.
>
> Nearly twelve hours and four lieing posts later
>
> Dene wrote:
> > I don't like lies or liars.
>
> I guess that explains why you don't like yourself.
>
> Only a crazy would continue to self-mutilate himself for public display
> and continue to say one thing and do another....especially someone who
> doesn't like lies or liars.
>
> There's a difference for me...mine weren't lies...one was a poor choice
> of words (for which I apologized soon after), and the other is simply
> an issue of semantics (RSGNW mail list = RSGNW invite list).
>
> Keep fighting and lieing, Greg.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 22:04:13
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
MnMikew wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> >> > telling these tales.
> >> >
> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike
> >> you
> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
> >
> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
> >
> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
And what is your mailing address pal. I need to send a tube of KY for
when you are done talking about Dene and I.
The Hammer
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:51:49
From: Bear
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
On 8 Sep 2006 22:04:13 -0700, "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>MnMikew wrote:
>> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
>> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
>> >> > telling these tales.
>> >> >
>> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike
>> >> you
>> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
>> >
>> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
>> >
>> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
>
>And what is your mailing address pal. I need to send a tube of KY for
>when you are done talking about Dene and I.
>
A used tube no doubt.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 10:56:13
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157778253.762634.177160@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
>> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
>> >> > telling these tales.
>> >> >
>> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think,
>> >> unlike
>> >> you
>> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
>> >
>> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
>> >
>> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
>
> And what is your mailing address pal. I need to send a tube of KY for
> when you are done talking about Dene and I.
>
Well if anyone would have a tube of KY handy it would be you.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 22:02:12
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
MnMikew wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> >> > telling these tales.
> >> >
> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike
> >> you
> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
> >
> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
> >
> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
If all you have to talk about is Dene and I, I would say you are one
sorry bag of manure. Get a life oh crown prince of the Dicklik
province.
The Hammer
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 10:18:23
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Greg:
>
> You need to let this go. You'll never make it trying to be punch in a turd
> bowl!
>
> ;^)
Dang funny!
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:04:30
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene wrote:
>
> Speaking of marriage, the #!^%@ shed awaits, plus I have to vacuum,
> clean the kitchen, water the plants, reheat yesterday's pizza.....
>
> I COULD BE PLAYING GOLF!!!
>
>
I'm sealing the grout in the tile floor in the bedroom. Playing the guitar
a bit. Don't golf on the weekends any more. Too slow! I do need to go into
the lab and work on some data though.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 12:01:44
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >> > Hammer's asserted that there are C-list members who...
> >> >
> >> > 1. Don't play golf
> >> > 2. Use Google to dredge up long resolved issues
> >> > 3. Gossip like a pack of gossiping old ladies
> >> >
> >> > If there's any doubt, Colonville's post is all the proof you need.
> >>
> >> The facts really get your goat, don't they? That's all Alan
> >> has done here: repost Eric's own words. And you react like
> >> this. Telling.
> >
> > It's inane and you know it. The "telling" aspect is that you refuse to
> > criticize a fellow crony about it while getting on your high horse and
> > offering me advice.
>
> What's to criticize? He's the absolute best I've seen at
> using Google to expose hypocrites and liars for being
> hypocrites and liars. And he's smart enough to do very
> little editorializing of his own. So, seriously, what's
> to criticize?
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
And let us not forget the slanderous announcement of Alan that Golfing
Don was MAT. Don was real appreciative of that. That was a real
winner.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:40:25
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> What's to criticize? He's the absolute best I've seen at
> using Google to expose hypocrites and liars for being
> hypocrites and liars. And he's smart enough to do very
> little editorializing of his own. So, seriously, what's
> to criticize?
His claim to fame, especially since he has nothing to say about golf.
It's an example of your C-list circle-jerking in RSG. Rob and Eric had
an argument which resolved itself 459 days ago. BFD.
You're a married man. Don't you love it when you wife brings up stuff
460 days ago.
Speaking of marriage, the #!^%@ shed awaits, plus I have to vacuum,
clean the kitchen, water the plants, reheat yesterday's pizza.....
I COULD BE PLAYING GOLF!!!
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:49:17
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
>> What's to criticize? He's the absolute best I've seen at
>> using Google to expose hypocrites and liars for being
>> hypocrites and liars. And he's smart enough to do very
>> little editorializing of his own. So, seriously, what's
>> to criticize?
>
> His claim to fame, especially since he has nothing to say about golf.
> It's an example of your C-list circle-jerking in RSG. Rob and Eric had
> an argument which resolved itself 459 days ago. BFD.
And yet he assails others for (in his view) acting the same
way he acted. Nah, nothing hypocritical about THAT!
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:13:29
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
newellsatwsu wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
> > when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
> > it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
> > together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
> > Lewiston.
>
> You might want to look at your email & RSG post archives about all of
> that silence during your public relations campaign re: RSGNW June -
> December 2005. Your behavior, grudges and never ending whining on RSG
> during that period (and before) got to the point that six people
> emailed me privately in November & December 2005 asking not to be
> paired with you at RSGNW. That was the catalyst that made me make the
> decision to exclude you from RSGNW. Like any negotiation or series of
> complaints about your behavior would have done any good.
>
> It really had nothing to do with my relationship with you; it had
> everything about your other relationships within RSG & RSGNW.
>
> You can keep spinning it however you want Greg.
If you valued your friendship with Greg at all, you would have put the
whiners in their place. When Greg came to my event, if someone didn't
like him, they had some choices.
1. Ignore him
2. Attempt to be civil
3. Stay home
I would not exclude anyone just because they were not liked by others.
I would have rather had Greg attend and everyone else stay home if they
felt that strongly about him. You put peer pressure over principal.
the truth of the matter is that everyone liked Greg here in Atlanta.
When Greg comes back, I am certain that everyone will want to see him
again. He is a good guy. The problem is that he does not suck up to a
denegerate bunch of cronies. He did not deserve your treatment. And
it reflects poorly on your event and sets a bad precedent for future
events. I cannot imagine a class act like Thor allowing something like
this to happen. Shows the difference between a gentleman and a.......,
well maybe i had better just keep my mouth shut!
the Hammer
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 03:24:21
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157825608.907600.88680@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> If you valued your friendship with Greg at all, you would have put the
> whiners in their place. When Greg came to my event, if someone didn't
> like him, they had some choices.
>
> 1. Ignore him
> 2. Attempt to be civil
> 3. Stay home
>
> I would not exclude anyone just because they were not liked by others.
> I would have rather had Greg attend and everyone else stay home if they
> felt that strongly about him. You put peer pressure over principal.
Yeah, you know how to deal with any issues that arise involving your
attendees.
Listen up, fellow golf tournament organizers and you will learn something;
Eric's great skill in dealing with people may rub off on you if you just
follow his rules.
Let's say someone says he will attend and then changes his mind. First
rule, do not email them privately. Second rule, do not ask them why they
are not attending, just jump from your unwarrented assumptions to your
foregone conclusions. Third, and most important rule, blast them in RSG!
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:05:59
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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newellsatwsu wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
> > when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
> > it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
> > together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
> > Lewiston.
>
> You might want to look at your email & RSG post archives about all of
> that silence during your public relations campaign re: RSGNW June -
> December 2005. Your behavior, grudges and never ending whining on RSG
> during that period (and before) got to the point that six people
> emailed me privately in November & December 2005 asking not to be
> paired with you at RSGNW. That was the catalyst that made me make the
> decision to exclude you from RSGNW. Like any negotiation or series of
> complaints about your behavior would have done any good.
>
> It really had nothing to do with my relationship with you; it had
> everything about your other relationships within RSG & RSGNW.
>
> You can keep spinning it however you want Greg.
I'm simply calling you out on your lies and cowardly behavior.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:20:35
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> newellsatwsu wrote:
>> Dene wrote:
>> > It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
>> > when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
>> > it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
>> > together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
>> > Lewiston.
>>
>> You might want to look at your email & RSG post archives about all of
>> that silence during your public relations campaign re: RSGNW June -
>> December 2005. Your behavior, grudges and never ending whining on RSG
>> during that period (and before) got to the point that six people
>> emailed me privately in November & December 2005 asking not to be
>> paired with you at RSGNW. That was the catalyst that made me make the
>> decision to exclude you from RSGNW. Like any negotiation or series of
>> complaints about your behavior would have done any good.
>>
>> It really had nothing to do with my relationship with you; it had
>> everything about your other relationships within RSG & RSGNW.
>>
>> You can keep spinning it however you want Greg.
>
> I'm simply calling you out on your lies and cowardly behavior.
It ain't working. You haven't exposed a single falsehood in
Scott's account, as far as I have seen.
Note: I don't know Scott, have never met him, have never
attended RSG-NW, have exchanged maybe two emails with him
ever.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:21:53
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3f1lh9Ig63N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> newellsatwsu wrote:
>>> Dene wrote:
>>> > It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
>>> > when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
>>> > it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
>>> > together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
>>> > Lewiston.
>>>
>>> You might want to look at your email & RSG post archives about all of
>>> that silence during your public relations campaign re: RSGNW June -
>>> December 2005. Your behavior, grudges and never ending whining on RSG
>>> during that period (and before) got to the point that six people
>>> emailed me privately in November & December 2005 asking not to be
>>> paired with you at RSGNW. That was the catalyst that made me make the
>>> decision to exclude you from RSGNW. Like any negotiation or series of
>>> complaints about your behavior would have done any good.
>>>
>>> It really had nothing to do with my relationship with you; it had
>>> everything about your other relationships within RSG & RSGNW.
>>>
>>> You can keep spinning it however you want Greg.
>>
>> I'm simply calling you out on your lies and cowardly behavior.
>
> It ain't working. You haven't exposed a single falsehood in
> Scott's account, as far as I have seen.
>
> Note: I don't know Scott, have never met him, have never
> attended RSG-NW, have exchanged maybe two emails with him
> ever.
IOW, you two are cronies.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:41:45
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan <nospam@nospam.net > wrote:
> "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0T3f1lh9Ig63N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> newellsatwsu wrote:
>>>> Dene wrote:
>>>> > It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
>>>> > when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
>>>> > it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
>>>> > together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
>>>> > Lewiston.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to look at your email & RSG post archives about all of
>>>> that silence during your public relations campaign re: RSGNW June -
>>>> December 2005. Your behavior, grudges and never ending whining on RSG
>>>> during that period (and before) got to the point that six people
>>>> emailed me privately in November & December 2005 asking not to be
>>>> paired with you at RSGNW. That was the catalyst that made me make the
>>>> decision to exclude you from RSGNW. Like any negotiation or series of
>>>> complaints about your behavior would have done any good.
>>>>
>>>> It really had nothing to do with my relationship with you; it had
>>>> everything about your other relationships within RSG & RSGNW.
>>>>
>>>> You can keep spinning it however you want Greg.
>>>
>>> I'm simply calling you out on your lies and cowardly behavior.
>>
>> It ain't working. You haven't exposed a single falsehood in
>> Scott's account, as far as I have seen.
>>
>> Note: I don't know Scott, have never met him, have never
>> attended RSG-NW, have exchanged maybe two emails with him
>> ever.
>
> IOW, you two are cronies.
Exactly.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:01:55
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
> when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
> it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
> together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
> Lewiston.
You might want to look at your email & RSG post archives about all of
that silence during your public relations campaign re: RSGNW June -
December 2005. Your behavior, grudges and never ending whining on RSG
during that period (and before) got to the point that six people
emailed me privately in November & December 2005 asking not to be
paired with you at RSGNW. That was the catalyst that made me make the
decision to exclude you from RSGNW. Like any negotiation or series of
complaints about your behavior would have done any good.
It really had nothing to do with my relationship with you; it had
everything about your other relationships within RSG & RSGNW.
You can keep spinning it however you want Greg.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 10:51:45
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > newellsatwsu wrote:
> >
> > Scott wrote.... "I'm also saying that you made my life as host
> > miserable...and I removed
> > that common denominator. You can count me as #7."
> >
> > Greg responded...."I wish you could have seen the smile on my face when
> > I read your last statement."
>
> I read that as, "I smiled when I read how miserable I made your
> life." Apologies if I misread it.
>
Accepted....thanks Chris.
Trust me....if I'd known that the Koenig/Pitts challenge made Scott
uncomfortable as host, I'd dropped it in a heartbeat. Also, had Scott
e-mailed me in December saying, "Greg, I've got a problem. I got a
pairings problem with a few guys who prefer to not play with or be
around you. I'm not sure what I should do." I'd responded by saying,
"Scott, you have no problem. We can't make it this year and even if we
could, I wouldn't put my wife or myself in an uncomfortable situation."
The trouble is, I had no chance to do the right thing. Instead, out
of the blue comes his e-mail with his decision.
To further press my point, a month or two prior, Scott listed the
interested participants on RSG. Neither myself or my wife were on the
list. My response...."Don't forget Ken Pitts." Had I intended to
participate, I'd included her and I, but I didn't. Why???....because I
was fairly certain we wouldn't be attending, for reasons I've stated
earlier.
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 18:15:00
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:49:34 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net >
wrote:
>Dene wrote:
<clip >
>Here's an idea: Why don't you organize an RSG event? Get 15 or 20
>RSG'ers to show up, then see how well you do at your own event.
>
>I suggest you ask Scott Newell for the list of RSG-NW attendees, so you
>can get a head start on the invitation list.
>
>Mike
:-)
___,
\o
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:09:18
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1-Sep-2006, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net > wrote:
> Dene said
> > Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> > Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> > They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
> That's fine. They're good golfers.
No they're scratch golfers, which is like comparing my 12 to your 7,
probably not even
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:06:19
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1-Sep-2006, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net > wrote:
> And for what it's worth: You should ask those who came to RSG-Wisconsin
> about 3 years ago how easy my "home track" is.
Ah yes the ambush @ Platteville CC! ;-)
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:40:29
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Rude Dog wrote:
>
> You implied it by saying that true single digit handicappers can break 80 at
> any course and often do.
Your 70's scores reflect that statement.
> > Ps. Does your club computer do the beep thing when you posted 92 and
> > 95? "The score you are about to post is above what is typical for your
> > index. Please check for accuracy."
> >
> > After a bad day, I hate reading that!
> >
>
> I don't belong to a club. My last 20 scores are for 19 different courses. I
> use an internet handicap keeping system that doesn't blink an eye at any
> score I enter.
You're fortunate in that regard.
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:10:08
From: Rude Dog
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157150429.082382.127380@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Rude Dog wrote:
>>
>> You implied it by saying that true single digit handicappers can break 80
>> at
>> any course and often do.
>
> Your 70's scores reflect that statement.
3 scores in the 70s in my last 20 rounds is not often.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:08:52
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Rude Dog wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> > What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> > track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> > RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> > scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
> >
> > Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> > Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> > They can break 80 at any course and often do.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
>
> The 10 differentials that count toward my current index range from 3.6 to
> 12.4. Only 3 of those scores were in the 70s (72, 78, 78). The 10 that don't
> count toward my current index range from 12.5 to 21.8. Included in those
> were 5 scores of 87 or higher (87, 88, 89, 92, 95). My current index is 8.7,
> but according to you I'm not a "true" single digit handicapper.
Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores. Obviously you
post all your scores.
-Greg
Ps. Does your club computer do the beep thing when you posted 92 and
95? "The score you are about to post is above what is typical for your
index. Please check for accuracy."
After a bad day, I hate reading that!
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:17:41
From: Rude Dog
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157148532.777983.295060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Rude Dog wrote:
>> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>> > What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
>> > track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
>> > RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
>> > scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>> >
>> > Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
>> > Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
>> > They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>> >
>> > -Greg
>> >
>>
>> The 10 differentials that count toward my current index range from 3.6 to
>> 12.4. Only 3 of those scores were in the 70s (72, 78, 78). The 10 that
>> don't
>> count toward my current index range from 12.5 to 21.8. Included in those
>> were 5 scores of 87 or higher (87, 88, 89, 92, 95). My current index is
>> 8.7,
>> but according to you I'm not a "true" single digit handicapper.
>
> Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores. Obviously you
> post all your scores.
>
You implied it by saying that true single digit handicappers can break 80 at
any course and often do.
> -Greg
>
> Ps. Does your club computer do the beep thing when you posted 92 and
> 95? "The score you are about to post is above what is typical for your
> index. Please check for accuracy."
>
> After a bad day, I hate reading that!
>
I don't belong to a club. My last 20 scores are for 19 different courses. I
use an internet handicap keeping system that doesn't blink an eye at any
score I enter.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 14:57:48
From: Rude Dog
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>
> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
> -Greg
>
The 10 differentials that count toward my current index range from 3.6 to
12.4. Only 3 of those scores were in the 70s (72, 78, 78). The 10 that don't
count toward my current index range from 12.5 to 21.8. Included in those
were 5 scores of 87 or higher (87, 88, 89, 92, 95). My current index is 8.7,
but according to you I'm not a "true" single digit handicapper.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 14:47:05
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> > You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> > abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> > of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> > course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> > four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> > Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
>
> And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
> couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
> posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
> post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
> index back up to double digits.
>
> I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
> the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
> incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
> last summer and he refused to answer.
At my best I've been a 7 maybe 2 or 3 times. Each time my scoring
record would be several sub 80 rounds (lows of 74 or 75) and several
low 80's rounds and possibley a 90+ or two. The addition of another 90
or 100 will have little or no efffect on such a record unless it (or
another 90+ score) displaces one of the lowest differentials that is
being counted in your handicap. That's almost impossible. While a 90
shot today may push out a 75 shot a month or more ago (remember it's
the most recent 20 scores), the 75 will likely be replaced by an 80
something shot in the meantime... The occasional blow up round never
count. Blow-up rounds are throw-away scores if you have 10 rounds on
your record considerably lower.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 14:01:12
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Koen-pig wrote:
> Thus, once again, showing everyone that you are a Turd in the Punchbowl
> of Life.
>
> Tex
......coming from the expert of punchbowls.
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 01:39:48
From: Big Clobby Bobber
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157144472.696230.204560@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Koen-pig wrote:
>> Thus, once again, showing everyone that you are a Turd in the Punchbowl
>> of Life.
>>
>> Tex
>
> ......coming from the expert of punchbowls.
>
> -Greg
>
and here I used to think one couldn't polish a turd.
Silly me.
--
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 13:58:06
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
> > "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
> > news:44f88f19$0$3580$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> > >
> > > "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1157139835.406897.84160@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > BTW--
> > I understand Mike can really play.
> > I believe what Hogan said. If you really work at your game using proper
> > fundamentals ( '5 lessons' type stuff), most people should often break 80. I
> > think Mike really worked on his game and got it to a very quality level.
>
> He may be a 7 on his own course, where he would know every nuance of
> the greens. A 10 elsewhere. It's elsewhere that truly measures a
> single digit handicap. I should know. Each Thursday, I played at a
> different course, and posted the scores. That definitely made a impact
> on my index, vs. the members who played only at my home course.
Assume 1 round in 6 is at an away course....which means that 3.33
rounds of away scores will appear in your last 20....all of them can be
ignored for handicap purposes if your lower 10 are from your home
course.
Assume every other round is played at an away course...10 rounds from
your home course could count to your handicap.
Regardless of the number, according to the USGA, your index is "valid".
Every player has differing strengths and weaknesses. Every course
brings out those individual strengths and weaknesses. To blanket "all"
players with single digit handicap indexes that can't shoot their index
as "not real single digit hdcp" is pure blather.
My home course "toughness" is the greens...without local knowledge of
them you will score much higher than your normal game. Off the tee,
it's a "links" course with room to move it right / left at will. There
are not alot of bunkers in the fairways and there is virtually no water
on the course. Rated 71 and sloped 122 from the "black" tees it is a
fairly easy track when you know the greens and are having a decent ball
striking day.
Now, take me off that course and put me on a tree lined track with
right and left fairway bends and the scores will change. And if I play
a track like that 3 or 4 times out of 20 rounds, the higher scores will
not be reflected in my index...yet, the USGA still believes my index as
"valid".
If I were to play this same track over and over again, my game would
adjust to the tighter driving requirements and the scores would come
down.
Thus, once again, showing everyone that you are a Turd in the Punchbowl
of Life.
Tex
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 18:34:37
From: Bob Cotter
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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In article <1157144286.688056.84030@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
> Now, take me off that course and put me on a tree lined track with
> right and left fairway bends and the scores will change. And if I play
> a track like that 3 or 4 times out of 20 rounds, the higher scores will
> not be reflected in my index...yet, the USGA still believes my index as
> "valid".
Yes sir... Scotty has had a few rounds at our course under his belt. I
surely do wish for the day to come that you are able to make an RSG
Sunshine Coast some day to play here. He might just give you a good
game. And, if Rude Dog gets up here a few more times then there would be
some great competition with your low handicap being a first timer on the
course and them with the knowledge of our tight fairways and impossible
greens.
Looking forward to seeing you in this part of the world some day.
Cheers... Bob
--
If replying by email, please remove the removes.
Visit my home course at <http://www.sunshinecoastgolf.com >
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 18:51:47
From: Bob Cotter
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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In article
<bob.remove-AB3EF4.18343701092006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net >,
Bob Cotter <bob.remove@remove.educom.com > wrote:
> I surely do wish for the day to come that you are able to make an RSG
> Sunshine Coast some day to play here
Note to self... too many beers during and following today's round led to
too many "day" words in this message.
Cheers... Bob
--
If replying by email, please remove the removes.
Visit my home course at <http://www.sunshinecoastgolf.com >
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 12:23:45
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"Bob Cotter" <bob.remove@remove.educom.com > wrote in message
news:bob.remove-10C60F.18514701092006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article
> <bob.remove-AB3EF4.18343701092006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> Bob Cotter <bob.remove@remove.educom.com> wrote:
>
>> I surely do wish for the day to come that you are able to make an RSG
>> Sunshine Coast some day to play here
>
> Note to self... too many beers during and following today's round led to
> too many "day" words in this message.
>
> Cheers... Bob
This message has been brought to you by the Department of Redundancy
Department.
Randy
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 00:15:39
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote
>
> My home course "toughness" is the greens...without local knowledge of
> them you will score much higher than your normal game.
Still Chase Oaks for you?
Randy
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 04:42:06
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> My home course "toughness" is the greens...without local knowledge of
>> them you will score much higher than your normal game.
>
> Still Chase Oaks for you?
The Tribute.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 13:40:58
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157139835.406897.84160@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> BTW--
> I understand Mike can really play.
> I believe what Hogan said. If you really work at your game using proper
> fundamentals ( '5 lessons' type stuff), most people should often break 80. I
> think Mike really worked on his game and got it to a very quality level.
He may be a 7 on his own course, where he would know every nuance of
the greens. A 10 elsewhere. It's elsewhere that truly measures a
single digit handicap. I should know. Each Thursday, I played at a
different course, and posted the scores. That definitely made a impact
on my index, vs. the members who played only at my home course.
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:28:06
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> glfnaz wrote:
>> "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
>> news:44f88f19$0$3580$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>> >
>> > "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1157139835.406897.84160@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> BTW--
>> I understand Mike can really play.
>> I believe what Hogan said. If you really work at your game using proper
>> fundamentals ( '5 lessons' type stuff), most people should often break
>> 80. I
>> think Mike really worked on his game and got it to a very quality level.
>
> He may be a 7 on his own course, where he would know every nuance of
> the greens. A 10 elsewhere. It's elsewhere that truly measures a
> single digit handicap. I should know. Each Thursday, I played at a
> different course, and posted the scores. That definitely made a impact
> on my index, vs. the members who played only at my home course.
>
> -Greg
>
I can't speak to anyone else's handicap here -- but mine is listed as 8.9. I
play MOST of my golf at the same course & I do find when I travel to other
courses that do not normally score as well - but give me few rounds to
figure out the right angles to approach & to get a feel for the greens & I
can compete with my handicap --- by your silly definition -- I am not a
single digit player --- but do you know what? I still don't quite believe
that number when I see it next to my name.
What does confound me is that you don't understand the handicap process
better...
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:07:50
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:28:06 -0400, "A Brick in the Wall"
<NoSpam@NoThanks.com > wrote:
>
>"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
<clip >
>What does confound me is that you don't understand the handicap process
>better...
>
He understands. Just a ploy to take potshots at someone he doesn't
like.
___,
\o
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 13:16:05
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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I've been playing most of my golf at one course the last couple of
years - and I have been improving. But recently I played at a
different course and discovered that the architecture was sufficiently
different to fool me about the distances. Also, the score card
wasn't enough information for me to decide the best course management
when I couldn't see the whole hole.
If I want to play better in unfamiliar courses - I need to play more
unfamiliar courses.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 00:16:55
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"A Brick in the Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.com > wrote
>
> What does confound me is that you don't understand
> the handicap process better...
Stick around a while and you won't be confounded. Dene doesn't understand
much of anything.
Randy
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:43:55
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> Thanks for the kind words, but I can propably only do that now off 'member'
> tees.
> Age and playing opportunities have made golf a spectator sport for me now.
>
> Only one round in this year, but it was a mid 70.
> ( I do practice a bit to grt my fix)
You forgot priorities, that of being an active parent. Congrats on
your son's Little League success!
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:50:47
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
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> You forgot priorities, that of being an active parent. Congrats on
> your son's Little League success!
>
> -Greg
Mostly club baseball, but he does play Little League for fun.
http://www.desertfirebirds.com/
2005 Triple Crown Sports 10U National Champions
2006 Triple Crown Sports 11U --5th at Nationals.
Click on the web-site above, then click on ALBUMS.
Hit the first pic under Easter Tournament. He's on the left with his MVP
trophy.
New season starts tommorrow--Super Series labor day Classic.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 13:06:14
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157139835.406897.84160@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
BTW--
I understand Mike can really play.
I believe what Hogan said. If you really work at your game using proper
fundamentals ( '5 lessons' type stuff), most people should often break 80. I
think Mike really worked on his game and got it to a very quality level.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:38:01
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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>Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
>Group: rec.sport.golf Date: Fri, Sep 1, 2006, 1:06pm (CDT-2) From:
>glfnaz@qwesttrash.com (glfnaz)
>"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote in message
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>"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
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>BTW--
>I understand Mike can really play.
>I believe what Hogan said. If you really work at
>your game using proper fundamentals ( '5 lessons' type stuff),
>most people should often break 80. I think Mike really
>worked on his game and got it to a very
>quality level.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Did he do this on City time?:--)
>m h o
>=A0v =83e
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0u s o - until everyone comes home
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:42:15
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
index back up to double digits.
I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
last summer and he refused to answer.
-Greg
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 16:37:17
From: A Brick In The Wall
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
>> abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
>> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
>> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
>> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
>> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
>
> And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
> couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
> posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
> post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
> index back up to double digits.
>
> I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
> the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
> incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
> last summer and he refused to answer.
>
> -Greg
>
But that is NOT what you postd --- you said: quoting here: A high 80/90
score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
That is not a correct statement. A high score does not have any play on a
handicap index.
You would think an "expert" would know that.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 23:37:13
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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And you missed Bobby's point. He was exactly right in pointing out that the
only purpose of your post was to find a new way to take a shot at Mike
Dalecki, who you don't happen to like.
And for what purpose?
So you can feel better about yourself?
Lookit, it's been a few years now, but at one point, I had my handicap down
to a 7. It was unofficial -- kept in one of those handicap software
applications, not at a golf course -- but it seemed about right based on the
scores I'd carded throughout that particular year. Could I take that
handicap and play to it on a bigger, longer, more difficult course? (My
home course at the time was a fairly short par 71 measuring around 6100
yards.) Well, obviously, I could not, as time and again, I proved it.
So what does any of that mean? That one handicap is legit while another
isn't? I won't argue for the legitimacy of mine -- I admit it wasn't
"official." But a handicap is a handicap, and if it's kept the way it's
supposed to be kept (without sandbagging), it will reflect the BEST a player
can play to.
You insult Mike for what you allege is a "vanity handicap." Maybe it is,
maybe it isn't. But a far worse crime would be if he didn't post his lowest
scores. And I wouldn't put something like that past YOU.
Randy
"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
>> abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
>> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
>> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
>> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
>> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
>
> And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
> couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
> posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
> post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
> index back up to double digits.
>
> I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
> the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
> incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
> last summer and he refused to answer.
>
> -Greg
>
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:30:46
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
> -Greg
>
Thanks for the kind words, but I can propably only do that now off 'member'
tees.
Age and playing opportunities have made golf a spectator sport for me now.
Only one round in this year, but it was a mid 70.
( I do practice a bit to grt my fix)
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:29:50
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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damnyankee wrote:
>
> Actually, a high 80/90 score would do nothing to a 7.0 index. Last I
> checked, handicapp is based on the low 10 of your last 20 postings. 20
> high 80/90 scores would play havoc with 7.0 index.... I'm sure
> somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Bryan
I'll correct you! If more than 10 of your last 20 scores are in that
range, they will "count". Of course, if you really play golf, all your
scores, "count", not just "ESC scores", and all your strokes count
regardless of ESC.
A lot of "golfers" don't enter those "high" scores because they don't
want anyone to "see" them. It hurts their "image". Of course, they
never play in anything where their score isn't "protected". I don't
know if Dalecki, for example, does this, so I am not accusing him of
anything here.
There are many "golfers" I know who do play in groups such that no one
ever takes more than bogie unless they hit a ball OB and 3 putt, and
most bogies are scored as pars...and that's after rolling the ball a
clublength and 3 foot gimmies!
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:33:14
From: sfb
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Golfer who enter those high scores without using ESC are called sandbaggers
which is to read RSG a capital offense
.
"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
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>
> damnyankee wrote:
>>
>> Actually, a high 80/90 score would do nothing to a 7.0 index. Last I
>> checked, handicapp is based on the low 10 of your last 20 postings. 20
>> high 80/90 scores would play havoc with 7.0 index.... I'm sure
>> somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Bryan
>
> I'll correct you! If more than 10 of your last 20 scores are in that
> range, they will "count". Of course, if you really play golf, all your
> scores, "count", not just "ESC scores", and all your strokes count
> regardless of ESC.
>
> A lot of "golfers" don't enter those "high" scores because they don't
> want anyone to "see" them. It hurts their "image". Of course, they
> never play in anything where their score isn't "protected". I don't
> know if Dalecki, for example, does this, so I am not accusing him of
> anything here.
>
> There are many "golfers" I know who do play in groups such that no one
> ever takes more than bogie unless they hit a ball OB and 3 putt, and
> most bogies are scored as pars...and that's after rolling the ball a
> clublength and 3 foot gimmies!
>
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:15:11
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>
> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>
> -Greg
Actually, a high 80/90 score would do nothing to a 7.0 index. Last I
checked, handicapp is based on the low 10 of your last 20 postings. 20
high 80/90 scores would play havoc with 7.0 index.... I'm sure
somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.
Bryan
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 14:24:27
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 1 Sep 2006 12:15:11 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>Dene wrote:
>> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
>> track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
>> RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
>> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>>
>> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
>> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
>> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
>>
>> -Greg
>
>Actually, a high 80/90 score would do nothing to a 7.0 index. Last I
>checked, handicapp is based on the low 10 of your last 20 postings. 20
>high 80/90 scores would play havoc with 7.0 index.... I'm sure
>somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>Bryan
You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
___,
\o
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 14:59:21
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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anything below 10 should qualify as a "true" single digit hdcp.
most all seasoned golfers can rustle a single digit hdcp.
Mike gets satisfaction from his hdcp status, find some other target for
your questionable conduct.
>m h o
>=A0v =83e
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0u s o - until everyone comes home
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 11:48:50
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> My point is that nothing he says is worthwhile reading. He got
> hammered by a bunch of guys here lately that don't even know those in
> the "clique", who he blames for everything that's befallen him here.
> He has no respect, and all because he's just fucking stupid...he
> doesn't know what is acceptable, and what is not.
Yet you read and respond. But perhaps I should take your criticism and
post like one of your acceptable cronies, Koenig for example.
As for blame....cite whom I'm blaming. Just another stupid smear from
an old has-been with too much time on his hands.
Do tell me when I post something acceptable to you, B.O.B. If so, I
will quickly alter my style. In the meantime, do something now with
your remaining years. I can't imagine spending my retirement years
with little to do but anklebite and net-nanny people on the internet.
I truly pity you.
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:09:15
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index, or a
12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
Mike is quite obviously a "true single digit" golfer. You seem to be
confusing a single digit handicapper with one who can consistently break 80
at unfamiliar courses. In other words, you're a bitter old man who doesn't
really know that the fuck he's talking about.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 05:40:36
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> >Actually, a high 80/90 score would do nothing to a 7.0 index. Last I
> >checked, handicapp is based on the low 10 of your last 20 postings. 20
> >high 80/90 scores would play havoc with 7.0 index.... I'm sure
> >somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.
> >
> >Bryan
>
> You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 00:06:34
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> > > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > No matter how much you hump his leg, I don't think he's going
> > to love you.
> >
>
> That is truly a stupid comment.
>
> -Greg
Chris,
On 2nd thought, that is truly a funny comment. Delayed laughter on my
part. Sorry about the kneejerk reaction.
Cya girls!
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:22:52
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Dene wrote:
>> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>> > > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > No matter how much you hump his leg, I don't think he's going
>> > to love you.
>> >
>>
>> That is truly a stupid comment.
>>
>> -Greg
>
> Chris,
>
> On 2nd thought, that is truly a funny comment. Delayed laughter on my
> part.
See, I *knew* it was funny!
> Sorry about the kneejerk reaction.
Hey, no worries.
> Cya girls!
Later, darlin'.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:57:00
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Rude Dog wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157150429.082382.127380@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Rude Dog wrote:
> >>
> >> You implied it by saying that true single digit handicappers can break 80
> >> at
> >> any course and often do.
> >
> > Your 70's scores reflect that statement.
>
> 3 scores in the 70s in my last 20 rounds is not often.
Your point is well taken. I do find it odd that you're assigned a
single digit handicap with such few 70 rounds. It seemed to me that I
had more 2 years ago yet was only briefly a 9. Maybe I need to get
your program.
But like one poster said, too much importance is assigned to an index.
Perhaps the real measure of a golfer is head to head play.
That's all for me. It's vacation time once again!
-Greg.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:45:01
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Rob Davis wrote:
> Do you have a point here, or are you just being a jerk and throwing
> feces at someone at random? I don't get the feeling that Mike "boasts"
> about his handicap, the fact that he plays most of his golf at one
> course says nothing about his character or his abilities, and you accuse
> him of not posting scores with no apparent evidence.
>
> Yes, I think local course knowledge is easily worth 2 or 3 strokes in a
> round. Whether that reflects on your actual golf ability is debatable.
> If he plays and posts by the rules, then his handicap is what it is. The
> folks you mention may be better golfers than Mr. Dalecki ... so what?
>
> Rob
Try reading the thread I referred to.
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:12:51
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> Try reading the thread I referred to.
Oh the one called "another thread"? Douchebag. Make that lazy douchebag.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:43:48
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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gregg wrote:
I shot a 104 or 108.
That I believe.
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:21:42
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> gregg wrote:
>
> > I shot a 104 or 108.
>
> That I believe.
Brutha's got a back condition, what's he gonna do?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:42:23
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>
> <snip>
>
> No matter how much you hump his leg, I don't think he's going
> to love you.
>
That is truly a stupid comment.
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:20:41
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> No matter how much you hump his leg, I don't think he's going
>> to love you.
>
> That is truly a stupid comment.
Well, I was taking a guess as to why you keep humping his leg.
I ain't psychic, ya know. How about this:
No matter how much you hump his leg, I don't think he's going
to touch you there.
(Stop my stupidity! Quit the leg humping! You don't like Mike,
everybody gets it!)
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:41:04
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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short&stupid wrote:
> >
> > We've never met and yet I remember you piling on last December.
> > Anything to get "in." What a wannabe.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
>
> hey asshole, at least I was invited to RSG-NW. I don't need to meet you
> to know who you "are"...
Oh....such an honor. Let's review the facts, wannabe. We've never
met. We'll never meet, so the reason your opinion of me matters
is???????
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:41:43
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> short&stupid wrote:
>
>
>>>We've never met and yet I remember you piling on last December.
>>>Anything to get "in." What a wannabe.
>>>
>>>-Greg
>>>
>>
>>hey asshole, at least I was invited to RSG-NW. I don't need to meet you
>>to know who you "are"...
>
>
> Oh....such an honor. Let's review the facts, wannabe. We've never
> met. We'll never meet, so the reason your opinion of me matters
> is???????
>
> -Greg
>
since when have you ever worried about or considered "facts"? You're
obviously just a shit disturbing troll and whether you like it or not,
or whether you care or not, you're going in with Ben
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 21:39:27
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Gimmie a nice night and a mandolin and I'll sit out back and play the blues
> as best I can. Nice thing is I get better as I go along! Can't beat it.
Oooooh.....I love the mandolin. Theresa plays a mean piano and sings
like a canary. Me... a little guitar and when I sing, the dog howls
his own version of the Blues. We'll have to disturb the peace should
you ever make the trek toward the Great Wet North.
-Greg
Ps. What's life without a little toxicity?
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:20:29
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
> Ps. What's life without a little toxicity?
Bliss?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 15:14:45
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > Gimmie a nice night and a mandolin and I'll sit out back and play the blues
> > as best I can. Nice thing is I get better as I go along! Can't beat it.
>
> Oooooh.....I love the mandolin. Theresa plays a mean piano and sings
> like a canary. Me... a little guitar and when I sing, the dog howls
> his own version of the Blues. We'll have to disturb the peace should
> you ever make the trek toward the Great Wet North.
I got too much family up there to not get up there. I'll have to make sure I
bring all my fiddles. The dog howling is a great touch!
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:16:22
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157828264.548766.64930@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > The funny thing is that Rob and I have long admitted we were both at
> > fault, we shook hands, and have not even thought about it since I can
> > remember. Yet, the cronies keep bringing it up. Recycling it, just
> > for the sheer fun of it.
>
> > If this gives the cronies delight, they can recycle this again and
> > again. Whatever makes them happy. Go for it guys!
>
> I'll be delighted to. You boasted that you gossiped about Rob and his wife,
> yet you claim to abhor gossip. Regardless as to whether you and Rob have
> kissed and made up, is that not hypocritical behavior?
Eric,
Trust me as one who remembers this twit's M.O. during my C-list days.
He lives for this stuff. It's likely the only thing that is
interesting about his life. I recommend ignoring him.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 12:16:58
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157825794.132986.158530@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > There is no excuse for what happened to you starting last December.
> > You run an event, you expect others to come, be grateful, and just shut
> > the fuck up if they don't like someone. Golf is supposed to be a
> > genetlemen's game. I did not see a whole lot of gentlemen-like
> > behavior with this host or a share of the participants.
> >
> > The Hammer
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Well here's an example of your ( Hammer's ) gentlemanly behavior about an
> RSG Event.....
> ~~
>
> "All the participants who came to the SCHMASTERS felt it to be poorly
> organziaed. It did not appraoch the expertise that I have seen Randy or
> Dalecki in their events. You were winging it, there was no structure and
> everyone picked up on it. You oversold it all. The bottom line is that
> after the behavior of you and your significant other, the ENTIRE GROUP
> wanted nothing to do with either of you. It was a group consensus. So we
> enjoyed the rest of the outing without you'all, and we actually had a great
> time. And I mean a great time. To the point, that we all will probably do
> it again this year, but this time without your puss to deal with."
>
> and
>
> "We rejected you, because we all drove a long way and spent a lot of money
> and frankly did not want to see your misireable kisser again for the rest of
> the remaining days.."
>
> and
>
> "You are damn right you
> were made Persona Non Gratis by myself and the ENTIRE GROUP.. I will not
> share specfics with RSG, with all due respect it is no ones business. You
> have enough issues to deal with, I willl not add to it by attacking you
> publicly. You deserved what you got. Every bit of it. I don't regret
> it and relish in the fact that you got exactly what you deserved."
Hey Brad
I figured it wouldn't be too long before you would show up to lick some
butt. That tongue will be getting real brown soon.
I like this post better. A lot better than that Little League drivel,
which was nothing more than bragging. None of us give a shit about
your Little League exploits. Fucking Braggert, like we give a shit.
For someone who doesn't golf, you sure seem to have a need to cum here
a lot. I love when you chime in. Please continue if you. wish.
If it makes you feel important in front of your crony list, go for it.
And now you have something to talk about all night. Get on that crony
list now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Hammer
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 14:13:46
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157829418.387587.66310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hey Brad
>
> I figured it wouldn't be too long before you would show up to lick some
> butt. That tongue will be getting real brown soon.
>
> I like this post better. A lot better than that Little League drivel,
> which was nothing more than bragging. None of us give a shit about
> your Little League exploits. Fucking Braggert, like we give a shit.
> The Hammer
Well, I was all out of 'Cumwad' and 'scrotal wart' subject matter.
But you supplied that.
I'm sure your kids enjoy wonderful activities.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 20:19:28
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157829418.387587.66310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hey Brad
>
> I like this post better. A lot better than that Little League drivel,
> which was nothing more than bragging. None of us give a shit about
> your Little League exploits. Fucking Braggert, like we give a shit.
I enjoyed reading his posts about his son's baseball accomplishments. So
did the 16,000 members of the C-List (not including the mole).
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 11:49:50
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157825794.132986.158530@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > There is no excuse for what happened to you starting last December.
> > You run an event, you expect others to come, be grateful, and just shut
> > the fuck up if they don't like someone. Golf is supposed to be a
> > genetlemen's game. I did not see a whole lot of gentlemen-like
> > behavior with this host or a share of the participants.
> >
> > The Hammer
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Well here's an example of your ( Hammer's ) gentlemanly behavior about an
> RSG Event.....
So Rob/Eric's one day fued justifies Scott's actions? Is that the
point you're trying to make?? It's apples and oranges, Brad.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 12:43:26
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157827790.800122.13780@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157825794.132986.158530@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> > There is no excuse for what happened to you starting last December.
>> > You run an event, you expect others to come, be grateful, and just shut
>> > the fuck up if they don't like someone. Golf is supposed to be a
>> > genetlemen's game. I did not see a whole lot of gentlemen-like
>> > behavior with this host or a share of the participants.
>> >
>> > The Hammer
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Well here's an example of your ( Hammer's ) gentlemanly behavior about an
>> RSG Event.....
>
> So Rob/Eric's one day fued justifies Scott's actions? Is that the
> point you're trying to make?? It's apples and oranges, Brad.
>
> -Greg
>
No
My point is that he criticized Scott Newall ( RSG NW) about how everybody at
an RSG event needs to 'get along, or don't show up'.
Yet--
Eric Trashed Rob at Rob's Schmasters event.
And, he trashed Rob here after the event.
And he trashed Rob at GEA
( now you get it?)
Hint--he criticizes people for dong the same thing he himself does.
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 23:37:58
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
<Pontifications ignored >
> Two questions for you: When it was determined last May that there were,
> in fact, 6 people who indicated they wouldn't want to attend RSG-NW if
> you did, seems to me you said you'd leave RSG and never come back.
>
> Why are you back? And, what's your word worth, anyway?
>
> Mike
I answered these questions in August. A better question is how much
RSG is worth to me. Answer....very little, especially since I don't
make money off of it.
-Greg
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:13:43
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
> <Pontifications ignored>
>
>>Two questions for you: When it was determined last May that there were,
>>in fact, 6 people who indicated they wouldn't want to attend RSG-NW if
>>you did, seems to me you said you'd leave RSG and never come back.
>>
>>Why are you back? And, what's your word worth, anyway?
>>
>>Mike
>
>
> I answered these questions in August. A better question is how much
> RSG is worth to me. Answer....very little, especially since I don't
> make money off of it.
>
> -Greg
>
Well, since I don't read every post you write, perhaps you could explain
it again. It must be a hell of an explanation, for you to say on the
one hand you're leaving, and on the other hand, to be back.
And if a better question is how much RSG is worth to you, one must
question your sanity if you're back here posting despite what is an
admission of its lack of value to you.
The only thing I can figure is that this is the only place you can get
any attention at all, sad as that may be.
Mike
--
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Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2006 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/pics/
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 07:51:33
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157179078.849853.146680@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
> <Pontifications ignored>
>
>> Two questions for you: When it was determined last May that there were,
>> in fact, 6 people who indicated they wouldn't want to attend RSG-NW if
>> you did, seems to me you said you'd leave RSG and never come back.
>>
>> Why are you back? And, what's your word worth, anyway?
>>
>> Mike
>
> I answered these questions in August. A better question is how much
> RSG is worth to me. Answer....very little, especially since I don't
> make money off of it.
>
> -Greg
>
But why are you back?
P,S. -- I didn't see a clamoring for your return.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 00:14:18
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157179078.849853.146680@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
> <Pontifications ignored>
>
>> Two questions for you: When it was determined last May that there were,
>> in fact, 6 people who indicated they wouldn't want to attend RSG-NW if
>> you did, seems to me you said you'd leave RSG and never come back.
>>
>> Why are you back? And, what's your word worth, anyway?
>>
>> Mike
>
> I answered these questions in August. A better question is how much
> RSG is worth to me. Answer....very little, especially since I don't
> make money off of it.
>
> -Greg
You obviously don't make friends off of it, either.
Randy
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 17:55:30
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Larry Bud wrote:
> jeffc wrote:
> > "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> > > What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> > > track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> > > RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> > > scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
> >
> > A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index, or a
> > 12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
>
> Well, it does affect it, as it throws out a potential top 10
> differential.
... which in most cases is replaced by something much lower than 90...
For most 7.0 handicappers one or more 90+ scores could cycle through
their scoreing record and never actually be figured into their handicap
index. Of course a SOLID 7.0 handicaper won't shoot many 90+ rounds. A
less solid handicapper (like me, when I've been a 7) will have the
occasional train wreck round that tops 90.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 17:44:32
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> > > You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> > > abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> > > of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> > > course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> > > four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> > > Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
> >
> > And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
> > couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
> > posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
> > post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
> > index back up to double digits.
> >
> > I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
> > the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
> > incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
> > last summer and he refused to answer.
>
> Just because your scoring range is erratic doesn't mean everybody's is.
I don't think it uncommon for people that only play about 6 months a
year... but you are correct some golfers will have a much tighter
range.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 17:44:25
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> > > You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> > > abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> > > of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> > > course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> > > four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> > > Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
> >
> > And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
> > couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
> > posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
> > post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
> > index back up to double digits.
> >
> > I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
> > the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
> > incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
> > last summer and he refused to answer.
>
> Just because your scoring range is erratic doesn't mean everybody's is.
I don't think it uncommon for people that only play about 6 months a
year... but you are correct some golfers will have a much tighter
range.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 17:43:34
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> > > You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> > > abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> > > of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> > > course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> > > four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> > > Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
> >
> > And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
> > couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
> > posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
> > post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
> > index back up to double digits.
> >
> > I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
> > the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
> > incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
> > last summer and he refused to answer.
>
> Just because your scoring range is erratic doesn't mean everybody's is.
I don't think it uncommon for people that only play about 6 months a
year... but you are correct some golfers will have a much tighter
range.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 15:56:04
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The_Professor wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > > Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> > > your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores. Obviously you
> > > post all your scores.
> >
> > A lot you know. Statistically, you only play to your handicap 1 out of
> > every 4 rounds.
>
> Maybe so, but it still ignores the issue of the measure of a *REAL*
> single digit handicapper. Remember that the reason for having handicaps
> is to equalize things so people of different abilities can comptete.
> Just consider this!
>
> My index is 10.8. My last 20 differentials (and they are all that
> matter) are 7.1., 7.1, 9.1, 10.1, 10.6, 12.1, 13.1, 13.6, 14.8, 15.2,
> 15.6, 16.1, 16.8, 17.2, 17.2, 17.4, 17.9, 19.8, 20.6 and 21.2.
>
> Now we can look at a 0 handicapper, say Mark Koening. His last 20
> reported differentails are: -1.9, -1.9, -1.9, -0.9, 0.0, 0.9, 0.9, 0.9,
> 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 2.8, 2.8, 2.8, 3.7, 3.7, 3.7, and 4.6.
>
> So let's say he and I are in some sort of match play event, and we come
> up against one another, and he has to give me the 11 strokes the
> handicap difference would usually require. His worst differential is
> 4.6. so if I am 15.6 or higher over my differential, I cannot win as he
> would not be expected to ever shoot that high. In my last 20 rounds, I
> was 15.6 or higher 10 times. 50% of the time. 50% of the time I can't
> win. Koenig's lowest differtential relative to his handicap is -1.9. My
> lowest differeintial relative to my handicap is - 3.7. I did that
> twice. Koenig can't win if I play that well. That's 10% of the time. My
> next lowest is -1.8, and within Koenig's ability to match, according to
> the scores we posted with our happy little fingers!
>
> So I can't win 50% of the time we play; Koenig can't win 10% of the
> times we play so far. Let's look at the rest! Koenig is within 2
> strokes of his index or better 13/20 times. I am within 2 strokes of my
> index 6 times. Of those, I win twice for sure, the -3.7's. The other 4
> I can maybe win...and that's really about it for me. I really only have
> a chance to win maybe 5 of 20 handicapped matches with a zero
> handicapper because of the way scores vary.
>
> My scores are, if anything a little vain. I do pick up 3 footers from
> time to time, and I do roll the ball occasionally. So I am a vanity
> capper. Thus the true measure of a real single digit handicapper is
> that they can give a hacker like me with a vanity cap the strokes as
> per the system and beat me at least 3 out of 4 times.
You need to get out more....playing this out in your head, on eXcel or
even here in the newsgroup is meaningless.
It's why the game is played outdoors on a golf course.
Tex
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 13:29:41
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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jeffc wrote:
> "dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com> wrote in message
> news:1157220306.117998.190660@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Larry Bud wrote:
> >> > A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index,
> >> > or a
> >> > 12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
> >>
> >> Well, it does affect it, as it throws out a potential top 10
> >> differential.
> >
> > As does a score ranked #11 in your set list.
>
> Yeah, a "potential top 10", which is why I said "normally". In other words,
> more often than not, the score is ignored.
Well, no, statistically it would knock one of the top 10 of the last 20
out 50% of the time.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 13:24:43
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Larry Bud wrote:
> > Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> > your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores. Obviously you
> > post all your scores.
>
> A lot you know. Statistically, you only play to your handicap 1 out of
> every 4 rounds.
Maybe so, but it still ignores the issue of the measure of a *REAL*
single digit handicapper. Remember that the reason for having handicaps
is to equalize things so people of different abilities can comptete.
Just consider this!
My index is 10.8. My last 20 differentials (and they are all that
matter) are 7.1., 7.1, 9.1, 10.1, 10.6, 12.1, 13.1, 13.6, 14.8, 15.2,
15.6, 16.1, 16.8, 17.2, 17.2, 17.4, 17.9, 19.8, 20.6 and 21.2.
Now we can look at a 0 handicapper, say Mark Koening. His last 20
reported differentails are: -1.9, -1.9, -1.9, -0.9, 0.0, 0.9, 0.9, 0.9,
1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 2.8, 2.8, 2.8, 3.7, 3.7, 3.7, and 4.6.
So let's say he and I are in some sort of match play event, and we come
up against one another, and he has to give me the 11 strokes the
handicap difference would usually require. His worst differential is
4.6. so if I am 15.6 or higher over my differential, I cannot win as he
would not be expected to ever shoot that high. In my last 20 rounds, I
was 15.6 or higher 10 times. 50% of the time. 50% of the time I can't
win. Koenig's lowest differtential relative to his handicap is -1.9. My
lowest differeintial relative to my handicap is - 3.7. I did that
twice. Koenig can't win if I play that well. That's 10% of the time. My
next lowest is -1.8, and within Koenig's ability to match, according to
the scores we posted with our happy little fingers!
So I can't win 50% of the time we play; Koenig can't win 10% of the
times we play so far. Let's look at the rest! Koenig is within 2
strokes of his index or better 13/20 times. I am within 2 strokes of my
index 6 times. Of those, I win twice for sure, the -3.7's. The other 4
I can maybe win...and that's really about it for me. I really only have
a chance to win maybe 5 of 20 handicapped matches with a zero
handicapper because of the way scores vary.
My scores are, if anything a little vain. I do pick up 3 footers from
time to time, and I do roll the ball occasionally. So I am a vanity
capper. Thus the true measure of a real single digit handicapper is
that they can give a hacker like me with a vanity cap the strokes as
per the system and beat me at least 3 out of 4 times.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 00:10:12
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote
>>
>> A lot you know. Statistically, you only play to your handicap 1 out of
>> every 4 rounds.
>
> Maybe so, but it still ignores the issue of the measure of a *REAL*
> single digit handicapper.
Maybe this debate has simply deteriorated to an argument about syntax.
A "real single digit handicapper" is someone who has a real single digit
handicap, and the only judge of what makes it so -- like it or not -- is the
USGA (here in the US, anyway).
What you and Schoenshit-for-brains are really saying is that there's a
difference between someone who has a legit single digit handicap and someone
who is a bona fide "player" who can play to a single digit (or most likely
break 80) pretty much anywhere in the world, pretty much every time.
That's an entirely different argument, and one with which I wouldn't have
any particular issue. Like I said before, there was a time when I had a
single-digit handicap, and I'd be the first to tell you that I couldn't play
to it on a regular basis anywhere but at my home course, which was an
admittedly fairly short (about 6100 yards) course, par 71. But that doesn't
change the fact that for one short spurt, my game was as good as it will
probably ever be, and every score I carded was included in that 7 hdcp I had
for that "golden year" of my golf career.
But nowadays, I'd be the first to tell you that I'll shoot 78 every time I
play. The only real question would be which hole I'll get to that number
on. :-)
Randy
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:51:40
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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larry wrote:
> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
> wagering.
Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
What a maroon!
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:42:20
From: larry
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 6 Sep 2006 17:51:40 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>
>larry wrote:
>> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
>> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
>> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
>> wagering.
>
>Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
>What a maroon!
Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
grade did you drop out of?
Larry (the KING of RSG)
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 21:22:49
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:42:20 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>On 6 Sep 2006 17:51:40 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>larry wrote:
>>> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
>>> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
>>> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
>>> wagering.
>>
>>Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
>>What a maroon!
>
>Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
>grade did you drop out of?
>
>Larry (the KING of RSG)
I thought that you owned an ISP. Maroon is Internet slang, but only
the Clown Prince of RSG wouldn't know that.
___,
\o
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 12:01:08
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:22:49 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>I thought that you owned an ISP. Maroon is Internet slang, but only
>the Clown Prince of RSG wouldn't know that.
There is some Internet slang which is really dumb (mooie instead of
movie). I don't mind this one though, maybe because it is much older
than the Internet.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:58:27
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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larry wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2006 17:51:40 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
> >> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
> >> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
> >> wagering.
> >
> >Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
> >What a maroon!
>
> Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
> grade did you drop out of?
>
Is anyone here enough of a gullibull to take this seriously?
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 21:25:30
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:58:27 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>larry wrote:
>
>> On 6 Sep 2006 17:51:40 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >larry wrote:
>> >> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
>> >> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
>> >> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
>> >> wagering.
>> >
>> >Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
>> >What a maroon!
>>
>> Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
>> grade did you drop out of?
>>
>
>Is anyone here enough of a gullibull to take this seriously?
>
Of course Rob. He doesn't have a clue.
___,
\o
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 08:39:47
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:58:27 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>larry wrote:
>
>> On 6 Sep 2006 17:51:40 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >larry wrote:
>> >> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
>> >> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
>> >> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
>> >> wagering.
>> >
>> >Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
>> >What a maroon!
>>
>> Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
>> grade did you drop out of?
>>
>
>Is anyone here enough of a gullibull to take this seriously?
>
Only the nincowpoops.
--
jvdp
Paging Mike Plowinske. You are on the tee Sept 16.
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:54:34
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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In article <06uuf2l3tu5iiq72mj383nd15f9ahjb0ge@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2006 17:51:40 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
> >> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
> >> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
> >> wagering.
> >
> >Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
> >What a maroon!
>
> Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
> grade did you drop out of?
>
> Larry (the KING of RSG)
You really are clueless aren't you? He said exactly what he meant to
say; you just don't know enough about the world around you (in your
typical, it's-all-about-me, self-centred way) to realize it.
<URL:http://www.google.com/search?q=%22what%20a%20maroon%22 >
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 11:58:58
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:42:20 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>>Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
>>What a maroon!
>
>Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
>grade did you drop out of?
He was quoting Bugs Bunny. That's not an uncommon quote.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:19:09
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2006 12:15:11 -0700, "damnyankee" <bryanberguson@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Dene wrote:
> >> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> >> What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> >> track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> >> RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> >> scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
> >>
> >> Whereas I've played with true single digit golfers. Pitts, Annika,
> >> Koenig, Glnaz, and Sparky come to mind. What do they have in common?
> >> They can break 80 at any course and often do.
> >>
> >> -Greg
> >
> >Actually, a high 80/90 score would do nothing to a 7.0 index. Last I
> >checked, handicapp is based on the low 10 of your last 20 postings. 20
> >high 80/90 scores would play havoc with 7.0 index.... I'm sure
> >somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.
> >
> >Bryan
>
> You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 16:21:18
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 2 Sep 2006 11:19:09 -0700, Andrcom@aol.com wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
> As a matter
>> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
>> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
>> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
>> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
>> bk
>
>IS that the same course you challanged me to the 1000 dollar a hole
>match a few years back?
I don't recall that bet...but it would be the same course if I made
it. :-)
___,
\o
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:05:06
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Larry Bud wrote:
> > A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index, or a
> > 12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
>
> Well, it does affect it, as it throws out a potential top 10
> differential.
As does a score ranked #11 in your set list.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 18:38:49
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com > wrote in message
news:1157220306.117998.190660@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Larry Bud wrote:
>> > A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index,
>> > or a
>> > 12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
>>
>> Well, it does affect it, as it throws out a potential top 10
>> differential.
>
> As does a score ranked #11 in your set list.
Yeah, a "potential top 10", which is why I said "normally". In other words,
more often than not, the score is ignored.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 10:52:47
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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jeffc wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157137496.217360.177290@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
> > What he doesn't admit is that virtually all the posts are at his home
> > track. He has never been a factor in his own tournament, nor any other
> > RSG tournament. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if he's posted those
> > scores. A high 80/90 score plays havoc with a 7.0 index.
>
> A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index, or a
> 12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
Well, it does affect it, as it throws out a potential top 10
differential.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 10:47:42
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores. Obviously you
> post all your scores.
A lot you know. Statistically, you only play to your handicap 1 out of
every 4 rounds.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 10:44:49
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> > You miss the point of Dene's post. He has no idea of what Dalecki's
> > abilities are, but blindly puts him down at any chance. As a matter
> > of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> > course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> > four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> > Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
>
> And you missed the point of my OP. I'm a 14 and yet I've broken 80 a
> couple of times this summer. Two years ago, I was briefly down to a 9,
> posting a 74 (my record) and several posts in the 70's. However, I
> post ALL my scores, and consequently, a few mid-80's scores brought my
> index back up to double digits.
>
> I have no trouble believing MD got a 76 and posted it. I'm capable of
> the same score. The real question, does he post all the scores he
> incurs at his own tournament, and others? I challenged him about this
> last summer and he refused to answer.
Just because your scoring range is erratic doesn't mean everybody's is.
I'm a 5 and my last *9* differentials range from 3.9 to 6.4. I play
tough tracks where a 77 gets you the 3.9 differential (72.3/135). I
rarely go REAL low, but out of the 62 rounds I've played this year,
only 3 were an 85 or higher.
So without EVER seeing someone's game over a period of time, you're
talking out of your ass.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 09:26:21
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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R&B wrote:
> Must be new. I don't recall it from my days living there.
>
> I know there've been many new courses built in the years since I left.
Hell, since you left, the place has doubled in size and we have the
internet now :)
Tribute opened in April 2000, ranked 71 in Golf Digest Public Play
courses.
North out of The Colony, built on a penisula on Lake Lewisville.
Second course being shaped this Fall, new road and housing community
going in now...
The original course will never have homes on/near it....the second
course will have 6 holes with homes "nearby".
Tex
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 08:47:40
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 2 Sep 2006 11:19:09 -0700, Andrcom@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> > As a matter
> >> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
> >> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
> >> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
> >> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
>
> >> bk
> >
> >IS that the same course you challanged me to the 1000 dollar a hole
> >match a few years back?
>
> I don't recall that bet...but it would be the same course if I made
> it. :-)
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:35:14
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 3 Sep 2006 08:47:40 -0700, Andrcom@aol.com wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> On 2 Sep 2006 11:19:09 -0700, Andrcom@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Bobby Knight wrote:
>> > As a matter
>> >> of fact, someone posted Mike's scores and they show one from my
>> >> course, in Texas. The first time he ever saw it he shot a 76, with a
>> >> four-putt on one hole. It's rated 70.5 and 129 slope. Gregg Little,
>> >> Chris Bellomy and I witnessed it. He is a 7, or better.
>>
>> >> bk
>> >
>> >IS that the same course you challanged me to the 1000 dollar a hole
>> >match a few years back?
>>
>> I don't recall that bet...but it would be the same course if I made
>> it. :-)
>> ___,
>> \o
>>
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 07:17:37
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> Personally, I like to play a lot of different courses. But even I,
> occasionally, fall into the rut of playing the same course over and over for
> a period of time. Part of the reason is because I'm lucky to find time for
> a round of golf, let alone drive all over creation to find a new place to
> play, so my "home" course, which happens to be close, gets the nod.
For me it's purely economics. I play mostly at my home course because I
pay for that by the month. It costs me the same if it's one round per
year or 100. So my adventures to other courses where I have to pay out
of pocket by the round are limited to a handfull a year... most of
which occur during my annual jaunt to Myrtle Beach... which by the way
starts tomorrow. :)
I should get in 5 handiccap rounds and 3 scramles while I'm there.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 12:22:27
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote in message
news:1157293057.714362.101510@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Personally, I like to play a lot of different courses. But even I,
>> occasionally, fall into the rut of playing the same course over and over
>> for
>> a period of time. Part of the reason is because I'm lucky to find time
>> for
>> a round of golf, let alone drive all over creation to find a new place to
>> play, so my "home" course, which happens to be close, gets the nod.
>
>
>
> For me it's purely economics. I play mostly at my home course because I
> pay for that by the month. It costs me the same if it's one round per
> year or 100. So my adventures to other courses where I have to pay out
> of pocket by the round are limited to a handfull a year... most of
> which occur during my annual jaunt to Myrtle Beach... which by the way
> starts tomorrow. :)
> I should get in 5 handiccap rounds and 3 scramles while I'm there.
Good point, Dudley.
I would imagine quite a few folks who have memberships at a particular club
play most of their golf there since it's already paid for, in a manner of
speaking. That is, unless their club has reciprocal privileges with other
clubs in the nearby area, making it more economically feasible to "play
around" a bit more.
Randy
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 12:16:07
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"R&B" wrote:
> "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote in message
> news:1157293057.714362.101510@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>>Personally, I like to play a lot of different courses. But even I,
>>>occasionally, fall into the rut of playing the same course over and over
>>>for
>>>a period of time. Part of the reason is because I'm lucky to find time
>>>for
>>>a round of golf, let alone drive all over creation to find a new place to
>>>play, so my "home" course, which happens to be close, gets the nod.
>>
>>
>>
>>For me it's purely economics. I play mostly at my home course because I
>>pay for that by the month. It costs me the same if it's one round per
>>year or 100. So my adventures to other courses where I have to pay out
>>of pocket by the round are limited to a handfull a year... most of
>>which occur during my annual jaunt to Myrtle Beach... which by the way
>>starts tomorrow. :)
>>I should get in 5 handiccap rounds and 3 scramles while I'm there.
>
>
>
> Good point, Dudley.
>
> I would imagine quite a few folks who have memberships at a particular club
> play most of their golf there since it's already paid for, in a manner of
> speaking. That is, unless their club has reciprocal privileges with other
> clubs in the nearby area, making it more economically feasible to "play
> around" a bit more.
>
> Randy
>
>
That's the case in my case. I have a membership locally, so that's
where I play the large majority of my rounds. We do have some
reciprocal play agreements--play the other courses for only the cost of
a cart--and we do take advantage of them. Except for me, this year.
It's hard to justify a lot of other courses golf, other than
reciprocals, when I've already committed that kind of money here. It
might be different if we had a lot of local courses of the same caliber,
but there aren't. Our closest reciprocal is about 35-40 minutes away,
and one is nearly 2 hours.
Mike
--
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 07:10:56
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> > Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> > your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores.
>
> That's the misunderstanding of handicaps...your handicap index is your
> potential.
That's not qujite true either. The index by itself is just one of the
numbers needed to determine your potential on any given course.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 07:07:03
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> That's an entirely different argument, and one with which I wouldn't have
> any particular issue. Like I said before, there was a time when I had a
> single-digit handicap, and I'd be the first to tell you that I couldn't play
> to it on a regular basis anywhere but at my home course, which was an
> admittedly fairly short (about 6100 yards) course, par 71.
For one thing, this entire discussion has focused on handicap index.
That is not the correct numbber to focus on. It's the course handicap
that matters. If you are a 7 index on an average difficulty course,
your course handicap could range from 5 or 6 up to 9 or more depending
on the difficulty of the course in question. I'm sure most in rsg know
that, but it sure seems to be lost in this discussion.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 06:01:47
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The_Professor wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > > Never said that about you. The lithmus test is being able to play to
> > > your handicap, anywhere, and posting all your scores. Obviously you
> > > post all your scores.
> >
> > A lot you know. Statistically, you only play to your handicap 1 out of
> > every 4 rounds.
>
> Maybe so, but it still ignores the issue of the measure of a *REAL*
> single digit handicapper. Remember that the reason for having handicaps
> is to equalize things so people of different abilities can comptete.
> Just consider this!
>
> My index is 10.8. My last 20 differentials (and they are all that
> matter) are 7.1., 7.1, 9.1, 10.1, 10.6, 12.1, 13.1, 13.6, 14.8, 15.2,
> 15.6, 16.1, 16.8, 17.2, 17.2, 17.4, 17.9, 19.8, 20.6 and 21.2.
>
> Now we can look at a 0 handicapper, say Mark Koening. His last 20
> reported differentails are: -1.9, -1.9, -1.9, -0.9, 0.0, 0.9, 0.9, 0.9,
> 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 1.9, 2.8, 2.8, 2.8, 3.7, 3.7, 3.7, and 4.6.
>
> So let's say he and I are in some sort of match play event, and we come
> up against one another, and he has to give me the 11 strokes the
> handicap difference would usually require. His worst differential is
> 4.6. so if I am 15.6 or higher over my differential, I cannot win as he
> would not be expected to ever shoot that high.
Except that you're assuming as a 15.6, you're bogeying nearly every
hole to get that 15.6. Most likely you're getting a few of pars, then
toss in a triple or worse. In stroke play you may have a point, but
not in match play.
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Date: 02 Sep 2006 23:52:24
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"R&B" wrote:
> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote
> >
> > My home course "toughness" is the greens...without local knowledge of
> > them you will score much higher than your normal game.
>
>
> Still Chase Oaks for you?
Oh God no! They destroyed that course years ago....replacing the bent
greens with bermuda was the first mistake.
I'm now "home" at The Tribute....links style, Scottish knockoff...
Tex
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 12:19:47
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Must be new. I don't recall it from my days living there.
I know there've been many new courses built in the years since I left.
Randy
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157266344.327048.205130@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> > My home course "toughness" is the greens...without local knowledge of
>> > them you will score much higher than your normal game.
>>
>>
>> Still Chase Oaks for you?
>
> Oh God no! They destroyed that course years ago....replacing the bent
> greens with bermuda was the first mistake.
>
> I'm now "home" at The Tribute....links style, Scottish knockoff...
>
> Tex
>
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 23:03:10
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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dsc wrote:
> > A real single digit handicapper can play to it. Its that simple.
>
> The pros don't even play to their potential every time out... noone
> does... it's just that simple... :)
>
> > In my experince, most of them are phoneys,
>
> Sure... many are... but not all. Even the ones that don't play to their
> handicap all the time are not necessarily phoneys. That's golf. Some
> days you just don't have it.
When the best you do in a tournament or in a challenge is worst than the
worst scores you post for handicap nothing more need be said.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 00:21:21
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:03:10 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>When the best you do in a tournament or in a challenge is worst than the
>worst scores you post for handicap nothing more need be said.
Pretty much - but I do know of people who fall apart under pressure.
One was a wonderful pianist who got stage fright.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 14:11:23
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> The fact is
> that I cannot beat a real scratch golfer very often if that person gives me the
> handicap dicated by the USAG index; and that to me is the measure.
If you shoot 75 or less, aint no scratch in the world gonna beat you.
You state your "best" score was 68...less 10 is 58. Name me all the
"scratches" that could shoot 58 and get a TIE!
Want to restate your statement above?
> Someone
> claiming to be scratch plays me say a 5 buck nassau for some fun is the real
> thing. Someone who comes up with a litany of excuses, diversions and obfuscations
> when you dare make such a suggestion is a phoney.
Speaking of phoneys....which alter ego wanted a match? Which alter ego
will never show up? Which alter ego keeps blathering about and has
zero intention of ever putting up or shutting up?
> The real thing can and will play when challenged. The phoneys will not.
I guess you are a phoney then. You've been challenged, you've thrown
down challenges and yet you continue to hide in BumFuck Mississippi.
Tex
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 13:51:10
From: dsc
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> A real single digit handicapper can play to it. Its that simple.
The pros don't even play to their potential every time out... noone
does... it's just that simple... :)
> In my experince, most of them are phoneys,
Sure... many are... but not all. Even the ones that don't play to their
handicap all the time are not necessarily phoneys. That's golf. Some
days you just don't have it.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 00:30:36
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 3-Sep-2006, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
> The pros don't even play to their potential every time out... no one
> does... it's just that simple... :)
Except for the mediocre, who are always at their best! :-)
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 20:35:31
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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dsc wrote:
> > Personally, I like to play a lot of different courses. But even I,
> > occasionally, fall into the rut of playing the same course over and over for
> > a period of time. Part of the reason is because I'm lucky to find time for
> > a round of golf, let alone drive all over creation to find a new place to
> > play, so my "home" course, which happens to be close, gets the nod.
>
> For me it's purely economics. I play mostly at my home course because I
> pay for that by the month. It costs me the same if it's one round per
> year or 100. So my adventures to other courses where I have to pay out
> of pocket by the round are limited to a handfull a year... most of
> which occur during my annual jaunt to Myrtle Beach... which by the way
> starts tomorrow. :)
> I should get in 5 handiccap rounds and 3 scramles while I'm there.
The first time I played Patrick Farms, a long hitters type of course (and I am not
a long hitter) I shot an 81. The first time I played The Island, a tight dogleggy
kinda course, I shot an 83. The first time I play Dancing Rabgitr Azaleas course,
from the #2 tees (6800 yard course) I shot an 86. I have had my really bad rounds
on first experiences too, but the reality is that a hacker like me can, from time
to time, play to my index from time to time regardless; and I can shoot 100 on a
course I have played many times, and it shows in my last 20 scores, where I have 2
differentials over 20.
A real single digit handicapper can play to it. Its that simple. In my experince,
most of them are phoneys, and they will not ever play in anything where their game
is exposed. It's always team things or something against like players. The fact is
that I cannot beat a real scratch golfer very often if that person gives me the
handicap dicated by the USAG index; and that to me is the measure. Someone
claiming to be scratch plays me say a 5 buck nassau for some fun is the real
thing. Someone who comes up with a litany of excuses, diversions and obfuscations
when you dare make such a suggestion is a phoney.
The real thing can and will play when challenged. The phoneys will not.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 11:10:09
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Miss Anne Thrope wrote:
> Oh c'mon......everyone knows the true measure of a single digit handicap
> golfer, is a 3 inch penis.
Given you expertise and vast knowledge, I'll not question your facts.
Maybe when you grow up you'll gain the length required to achieve your
potential.
Tex
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 13:43:00
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Oh c'mon......everyone knows the true measure of a single digit handicap
golfer, is a 3 inch penis.
Fully engorged, of course.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 22:20:11
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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long&left wrote:
>
> since when have you ever worried about or considered "facts"? You're
> obviously just a shit disturbing troll and whether you like it or not,
> or whether you care or not, you're going in with Ben
Good decision, idiot.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:38:35
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1157476233.777557.101870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > annika1980 wrote:
> >
> >> If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
> >> match seems to be in order.
> >
> > I wouldn't hesitate to play him straight up. Trouble is....I cannot
> > think of a scenario where we will ever meet, unless down-the-road, Eric
> > hosts a Bobby Knight Memorial Invitational.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
>
> Come on Greg
> Thats hitting below the belt
Tongue in cheek.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:36:08
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> annika1980 wrote:
>
> > If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
> > match seems to be in order.
>
> Just a minute. What's in it for me?
>
> A "challenge" sounds like I would have to spend money to do something
> that at least six people already said they would not do at RSG-NW this year.
>
> I have the same sentiments. I can't see anything in it for me.
>
> Mike
I agree. BTW.....you keep throwing this RSG-NW stuff like it's a badge
of shame. First of all, the six do not constitute a majority.
Secondly, we had no intention of attending anyway, not just because of
Theresa's knee but because the weather is 50/50 at best. When Koenig
started attending, the atmosphere within became worse. Finally, the
only pain associated with Newt's decision was when Rider and Buege
revealed themselves. I was initially surprised but then again, the
upside is that I know whom I can trust, whom I can't. So keep on using
this, Mikey. It doesn't hurt or shame me a bit. I'd rather be out
than in.
BTW...why do you continue to respond to me. Likely behind all the
blubber (literally and figuratively) is an insecure boy who is
compelled to defend himself while looking good with a pack of
cyber-pals. I assure you that I have no such need. If I did, then I
wouldn't be so honest and blunt with my assessments of how I see
things.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:12:20
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
> If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
> match seems to be in order.
I wouldn't hesitate to play him straight up. Trouble is....I cannot
think of a scenario where we will ever meet, unless down-the-road, Eric
hosts a Bobby Knight Memorial Invitational.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:10:33
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
> If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
> match seems to be in order.
I wouldn't hesitate to play him straight up. Trouble is....I cannot
think of a scenario where we will ever meet, unless down-the-road, Eric
hosts a Bobby Knight Memorial Invitational.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:31:33
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157476233.777557.101870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> annika1980 wrote:
>
>> If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
>> match seems to be in order.
>
> I wouldn't hesitate to play him straight up. Trouble is....I cannot
> think of a scenario where we will ever meet, unless down-the-road, Eric
> hosts a Bobby Knight Memorial Invitational.
>
> -Greg
>
Come on Greg
Thats hitting below the belt
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 12:43:45
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:31:33 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>
>"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1157476233.777557.101870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> annika1980 wrote:
>>
>>> If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
>>> match seems to be in order.
>>
>> I wouldn't hesitate to play him straight up. Trouble is....I cannot
>> think of a scenario where we will ever meet, unless down-the-road, Eric
>> hosts a Bobby Knight Memorial Invitational.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>
>Come on Greg
>Thats hitting below the belt
>
Why in the world are you still reading this idiot's posts Glfnaz?
He's so far off base here it's funny.
First, no way would Eric ever host anything with my name involved.
Next, Schoenshit wouldn't be invited to any tournament with my name
on it.
Thirdly, I'm sure Dalecki wouldn't play in ANY tournament Shoenshit
attended.
Lastly, he couldn't beat Mike with strokes, much less straight up.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:47:50
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:lddrf2dr8a4ctfl5olajjis3188qogi609@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:31:33 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:1157476233.777557.101870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> annika1980 wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
>>>> match seems to be in order.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't hesitate to play him straight up. Trouble is....I cannot
>>> think of a scenario where we will ever meet, unless down-the-road, Eric
>>> hosts a Bobby Knight Memorial Invitational.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>
>>Come on Greg
>>Thats hitting below the belt
>>
> Why in the world are you still reading this idiot's posts Glfnaz?
> He's so far off base here it's funny.
> First, no way would Eric ever host anything with my name involved.
> Next, Schoenshit wouldn't be invited to any tournament with my name
> on it.
> Thirdly, I'm sure Dalecki wouldn't play in ANY tournament Shoenshit
> attended.
> Lastly, he couldn't beat Mike with strokes, much less straight up.
I'm not commenting on the merits of a grudge match challenge. Thats all
speculation and won't happen anyway. Everyone's welcome to their thoughts
and feelings both good and bad. But I take exception to the BK Memorial
comment. Guys don't need to like each other, but looking forward to doom &
gloom is a low punch.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 13:16:34
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:47:50 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>> Why in the world are you still reading this idiot's posts Glfnaz?
>> He's so far off base here it's funny.
>> First, no way would Eric ever host anything with my name involved.
>> Next, Schoenshit wouldn't be invited to any tournament with my name
>> on it.
>> Thirdly, I'm sure Dalecki wouldn't play in ANY tournament Shoenshit
>> attended.
>> Lastly, he couldn't beat Mike with strokes, much less straight up.
>
>I'm not commenting on the merits of a grudge match challenge. Thats all
>speculation and won't happen anyway. Everyone's welcome to their thoughts
>and feelings both good and bad. But I take exception to the BK Memorial
>comment. Guys don't need to like each other, but looking forward to doom &
>gloom is a low punch.
>
My point is that nothing he says is worthwhile reading. He got
hammered by a bunch of guys here lately that don't even know those in
the "clique", who he blames for everything that's befallen him here.
He has no respect, and all because he's just fucking stupid...he
doesn't know what is acceptable, and what is not.
___,
\o
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 09:11:42
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"R&B" wrote:
> You insult Mike for what you allege is a "vanity handicap." Maybe it is,
> maybe it isn't. But a far worse crime would be if he didn't post his lowest
> scores. And I wouldn't put something like that past YOU.
>
For years, I kept my handicap artificially low, not because of vanity
or trying to impress someone. I did it simply to allow me to play in
more USGA events like US Ams and Mid-Ams. Most of these qualifiers
were held at nice private courses that I would otherwise not be able to
play. Back in the day, you could pay your $60 and get two tournament
rounds and one practice round at a great course.
I paid the price for my "vanity handicap" in the few tournaments around
here that were pre-flighted by handicap, but I wasn't playing in those
to win anyway. I think that pre-flighting is the only good use for a
handicap. I don't pay too much attention to anyone's handicap, anyway.
Its just a number and can be easily manipulated, especially if you
happen to be the handicap chairman at your club like I was. It's even
easier today with online posting and the lack of true peer review.
If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
match seems to be in order.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 12:13:18
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
> If Dene thinks Dalecki's handicap is artificially low, then a challenge
> match seems to be in order.
Just a minute. What's in it for me?
A "challenge" sounds like I would have to spend money to do something
that at least six people already said they would not do at RSG-NW this year.
I have the same sentiments. I can't see anything in it for me.
Mike
--
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RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 09:08:47
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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larryrsf wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>
> At my club (and every golf club) the really good golfers HATE their low
> handicaps-- because they win less money! Too often they can't play to
> it.
At my club, the really good golfers play straight up and leave those
that need handicaps to prove something to fight it out who is the best
bagger.
> They LOVE to have someone come in with a fat wallet and a vanity
> handicap!
I love fat wallets and people that need handicaps, because you won't
touch my money unless you play straight up.
Tex
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 09:18:14
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157472527.437799.99310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> larryrsf wrote:
>> Dene wrote:
>> > In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>>
>> At my club (and every golf club) the really good golfers HATE their low
>> handicaps-- because they win less money! Too often they can't play to
>> it.
>
> At my club, the really good golfers play straight up and leave those
> that need handicaps to prove something to fight it out who is the best
> bagger.
> Tex
Tex. Larry just won't understand that.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 12:22:28
From: larry
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:18:14 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
>> At my club, the really good golfers play straight up
Pure BS. Your club like all clubs has fewer than a dozen guys with
scratch or + handicaps. And even so when they play each other for
serious money, they give or take strokes.
Larry
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 14:41:42
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:22:28 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:18:14 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>
>>> At my club, the really good golfers play straight up
>
>Pure BS. Your club like all clubs has fewer than a dozen guys with
>scratch or + handicaps. And even so when they play each other for
>serious money, they give or take strokes.
>
>Larry
What kind of thinking is that? You have to be a scratch or + handicap
to play straight up, without shots? We have a group of 15-20 that
play twice weekly, ranging from 10-20 handicap, and many of them
play without strokes. It would be silly for the 10 to play the 20
even, but there are several that are 5 to 6 strokes apart in handicap
that play straight up...stroke play. As for serious money, I know 7
that match cards on weekends for $5 a hole, plus $5 front, $5 back,
and $10 overall (stroke play). that's $105 per match at risk. This is
in addition to the $2 bets, and $5 team bets with the rest of the
group. All in all, if one took total gas for a weekend it could run
into 4 figures. Then there are the $25 nassau bettors.
___,
\o
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 12:33:45
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:pcjrf2plrbmsoepp03ms0a2l6tcnnl6dli@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:18:14 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>
>>> At my club, the really good golfers play straight up
>
> Pure BS. Your club like all clubs has fewer than a dozen guys with
> scratch or + handicaps. And even so when they play each other for
> serious money, they give or take strokes.
>
> Larry
I didn't type " At my club, the really good golfers play straight up "
But I agree with the statement.
The really good players at my club, like TEX wrote, have their own events.
The only club events they play are the Major ones. There's 25-30 guys who
play together 2X per week off scratch. They aren't all scratch players, but
they don't want to use handicaps.
One need not be a scratch or plus handicap to enjoy playing straight up.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 08:45:22
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
At my club (and every golf club) the really good golfers HATE their low
handicaps-- because they win less money! Too often they can't play to
it.
They LOVE to have someone come in with a fat wallet and a vanity
handicap!
Larry
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:55:36
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
On 5 Sep 2006 08:45:22 -0700, "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
>
>Dene wrote:
>> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>
>At my club (and every golf club) the really good golfers HATE their low
>handicaps-- because they win less money! Too often they can't play to
>it.
>
>They LOVE to have someone come in with a fat wallet and a vanity
>handicap!
>
>Larry
You must be the belle of the ball there.
___,
\o
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 21:01:33
From: Steve S
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1157471122.340622.247320@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dene wrote:
>> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>
> At my club (and every golf club) the really good golfers HATE their low
> handicaps-- because they win less money! Too often they can't play to
> it.
>
> They LOVE to have someone come in with a fat wallet and a vanity
> handicap!
>
> Larry
>
Speaking of vanity handicaps we have the king. He was on the Big Break I
and was the first one eliminated.
http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=23233&select=3180.
Look up his handicap here by typing in his name:
http://golfnetonline.net/namesearch.asp?StateId=2A . It's amazing he has a
60 on his listing and then an 89 during a tournament round. I've seen him
run up to the green and throw his coin down several feet closer to the ball
than his ball actually lies. He always takes his own cart so there are 3
carts in his foursome. Yesterday he cheated twice on the same shot. He
sliced his ball off the hole onto the adjacent hole, he then dropped one out
of his cart on the correct hole and went to get his sliced ball. He didn't
like his drop so he moved it again. Later on that round he gave himself 3
5-7 footers that were breaking. After the round he said he shot a 70 and
couldn't make a putt all day. Imagine if he had ;-).
And, as if you need to guess, he's a dickhead, always bitching out the staff
about something or other. Another guy I played with called him Judge
Smails.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:30:10
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Steve S wrote:
> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> news:1157471122.340622.247320@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Dene wrote:
>>> In another thread, Mike Dalecki once again boasts of his 7.0 handicap.
>> At my club (and every golf club) the really good golfers HATE their low
>> handicaps-- because they win less money! Too often they can't play to
>> it.
>>
>> They LOVE to have someone come in with a fat wallet and a vanity
>> handicap!
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
> Speaking of vanity handicaps we have the king. He was on the Big Break I
> and was the first one eliminated.
> http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=23233&select=3180.
>
> Look up his handicap here by typing in his name:
> http://golfnetonline.net/namesearch.asp?StateId=2A . It's amazing he has a
> 60 on his listing and then an 89 during a tournament round. I've seen him
> run up to the green and throw his coin down several feet closer to the ball
> than his ball actually lies. He always takes his own cart so there are 3
> carts in his foursome. Yesterday he cheated twice on the same shot. He
> sliced his ball off the hole onto the adjacent hole, he then dropped one out
> of his cart on the correct hole and went to get his sliced ball. He didn't
> like his drop so he moved it again. Later on that round he gave himself 3
> 5-7 footers that were breaking. After the round he said he shot a 70 and
> couldn't make a putt all day. Imagine if he had ;-).
>
> And, as if you need to guess, he's a dickhead, always bitching out the staff
> about something or other. Another guy I played with called him Judge
> Smails.
>
>
career low score 58??? Come on, get real Garrett, age 56, married, 2
kids, CHEATER...
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 21:29:35
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> I wasn't talkin Little league.
> BTW--times change.
> Sounds like you have Pitts' 'good 'ol days Jack Syndrome.
> My kid can tell you what Tito Fuentes hit in 1974, and who caught the last
> out of the '62 world series..... and he wore out the Pitch Back long ago
> with a 10 year old 70 mph fastball.
> He always uses a wood bat for batting practice, but the rules allow for 2
> piece composite with a flex handle during games. You want him handicapped
> with your memories of black Adirondack garbage?
> Tell you what, you dig your white keds into the batter's box from 48' while
> he's on the mound throwing his Steve Ontiveros trained repitoire.
> Can you spell chin music?
> We'll see who gets the bubble gum.
> Likewise we'll have you pitch. He'll take you deep with a 30' White Ash
> stuck up his ass.
Whoa! What a post!! Anni....I got news for you. For a brief shining
moment, Brad (and his kid) ruled!
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 21:08:44
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Ben. wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > long&left wrote:
> >
> > > since when have you ever worried about or considered "facts"? You're
> > > obviously just a shit disturbing troll and whether you like it or not,
> > > or whether you care or not, you're going in with Ben
>
> A couple of things here, Greg:
>
> You have really pissed off this imbecile Dave/long&left if you coaxed
> him into actual cursing w/ no asterisks - for that I applaud you - I've
> been trying to do that for some time now! He's an ankle
> biter/sycophant as you have correctly pointed out, and takes great
> pains to publicly proclaim I am in his killfile, as if I give a shit
> (nothing says idiot more than the public proclamation of plonkage).
> But then he sees no irony in responding to me through quoted passages -
> just watch - he'll resond here. Plonking in appearance only is a rather
> hollow gesture.
>
So Dave is it's name?
>
> The second thing is this - you once privately called me a "Gosh Darn
> Independent - GDI", and you were right. I have no allegiances to
> anyone in this confab. I don't align myself with the fabled
> "c-listers", the wannabes like Dave, or anyone else. With that said,
> since your re-emergence, you appear very bitter, confused, vengeful and
> flat out hell-bent on fighting with those you perceive are persecuting
> you. As I recall, you were a pretty level-headed guy...a little on the
> paranoid/conspiracy theory side, but not as aggressive as you have
> seemingly become.
>
> It is kinda sad, as you were the guy who reached out to me, introduced
> yourself, and generally welcomed me to the group. Something happened
> to that guy. Just a word of advice, for whatever it is worth to you -
> lighten up, man, it's just a newsgroup. Fuck it if Dalecki isn't
> really a single digit, who cares what BK says to you - ironically,
> we've come to a level of mutual respect...at least I have, don't worry
> about these things. Speaking of the BK thing, in this very thread you,
> again, made light of the span of someone's life - not cool. You're
> probably a pretty decent guy in real life - act like it!
I like your advice and will probably heed it carefully if I decide to
stick around. I truly wish there were more GDI's like yourself within
RSG. As for my true nature, I truly am a nice person. I wouldn't be
successful in business, my two golf clubs, etc. if I wasn't. However,
in the real world, I rarely run across the petty, crony crap that
permeates RSG.
It's ironic about the "mental" stuff I get accused of. Last spring, I
won full custody of my kids, which is not an easy thing for a father to
win. I had to undergo a full battery of psychological testing and
interviews from the best (most expensive) custody evaluator in Portland
and I passed all with flying colors.
Yet in here I'm a nutcase. Go figure. Regardless, I do need to
insulate myself from the nonsense if I decide to stick around.
Thanks for your kind words, Ben.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 20:05:39
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Steve S wrote:
> Speaking of vanity handicaps we have the king. He was on the Big Break I
> and was the first one eliminated.
> http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=23233&select=3180.
>
> Look up his handicap here by typing in his name:
> http://golfnetonline.net/namesearch.asp?StateId=2A . It's amazing he has a
> 60 on his listing and then an 89 during a tournament round.
Like I told a similar guy at our club, "It's a little tougher playin
with people, ain't it?"
> And, as if you need to guess, he's a dickhead, always bitching out the staff
> about something or other. Another guy I played with called him Judge
> Smails.
In some places, they'd call him "Lefty" or "Three-Finger Garland."
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 20:01:01
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Miss Anne Thrope wrote:
> Oh c'mon......everyone knows the true measure of a single digit handicap
> golfer, is a 3 inch penis.
>
Hey, I have a 3-inch penis!
>From the ground.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:56:02
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > gregg wrote:
> >
> > > I shot a 104 or 108.
> >
> > That I believe.
>
> Brutha's got a back condition, what's he gonna do?
>
Sumbitch probably won the Closest to the Pin prize, though.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 03:57:52
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> > gregg wrote:
>> >
>> > > I shot a 104 or 108.
>> >
>> > That I believe.
>>
>> Brutha's got a back condition, what's he gonna do?
>
> Sumbitch probably won the Closest to the Pin prize, though.
But did he make the putt? Fuck no.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:52:53
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> So I was eligible. Even though we had a practice round, and I wrote a
> fairly detailed "how to play the course" piece with pictures and
> everything, I still won.
>
> I attribute that to the fact that our greens are small, sloped, and
> fast, and the course offers a lot of uneven lies.
I attribute it to the fact that I wasn't there.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 23:52:45
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
>>So I was eligible. Even though we had a practice round, and I wrote a
>>fairly detailed "how to play the course" piece with pictures and
>>everything, I still won.
>>
>>I attribute that to the fact that our greens are small, sloped, and
>>fast, and the course offers a lot of uneven lies.
>
>
> I attribute it to the fact that I wasn't there.
>
You would have lost. My course would eat you up.
--
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Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2006 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/pics/
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:50:42
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> > I know, buddy, I know. And my only message is that it must suck for
> > you not to have Hibbard around to fuss with these days. See ya' in the
> > next round, palooka.
> >
> http://www.perfectimpact.com/phpBB2/index.php
You hear that swoosh over your head, buddy? Hint - it ain't a Nike
commercial...
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:46:56
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Ben. wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
>
> > Getting life's lessons from Ben.
>
> Hardly a life lesson, Brad. Just the truth as I see it.
>
> > Scary thing.
>
> Bite me. You only show up when there's a fight to be had, anyway...the
> instant this one dries up, you'll go back to being dormant.
Brad doesn't have much free time to post here. He's busy doing
scouting for his kid's Little League team.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:51:17
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157510813.938058.16370@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ben. wrote:
>> glfnaz wrote:
>>
>> > Getting life's lessons from Ben.
>>
>> Hardly a life lesson, Brad. Just the truth as I see it.
>>
>> > Scary thing.
>>
>> Bite me. You only show up when there's a fight to be had, anyway...the
>> instant this one dries up, you'll go back to being dormant.
>
> Brad doesn't have much free time to post here. He's busy doing
> scouting for his kid's Little League team.
"An Involved Parent"
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:44:16
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Ben. wrote:
> The second thing is this - you once privately called me a "Gosh Darn
> Independent - GDI", and you were right. I have no allegiances to
> anyone in this confab. I don't align myself with the fabled
> "c-listers", the wannabes like Dave, or anyone else.
But you kinda like me, right?
> Speaking of the BK thing, in this very thread you,
> again, made light of the span of someone's life - not cool. You're
> probably a pretty decent guy in real life - act like it!
Does this mean Dene won't be hosting the I PISS ON YOUR GRAVE
INVITATIONAL?
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:34:08
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> If I played Bret 10 times in a row, I'd beat him maybe once or twice: Once because
> I played great, and once because he blew up.
LOL!
Gee, maybe Dene is right and you really DO have an inflated opinion of
your game?
Oh wait, I forgot I haven't played in 6 months. So yeah, you MIGHT
play great and win the first one.
But once I got warmed up .... well, call Katie.
-Annika ----- > 2.4 and holding steady
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:22:45
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
>
>
> Just got done with the Super Series Labor Day Championship this weekend here
> in AZ.
> 1st place in 11U
> Lil' glfnaz was tournament MVP.
That's great news for Lil' glfnaz, but not so great news for all those
kids playing for the teams that your All-Star team routinely
slaughters.
That's why golf is better than Little League. In golf, there are many
life lessons to be learned like honesty and fair play. In Little
League, it's all about holding up that big shiny trophy.
Back in my day, we played because we loved it. We couldn't wait for
school to get out for Summer so baseball season could begin. Nowadays,
some leagues around here start in February.
If we won the big game we'd get all the bubble gum we wanted.
Nowadays, the team gets to go to Vegas.
We developed a love for the game and it's history. Today's kids
develop a love for room service.
In the old days even the dorky kid got to stand in right field for an
inning or two.
Now they have tryouts to determine the players qualified to play on
these "Select" teams.
I learned to pitch and catch by using a "Pitch Back" in the back yard
and by throwing a tennis ball against the back of the house. Kids now
have their own trainers and strength coaches.
Our bats were Louisville Sluggers made of WOOD! And that trademark
better be straight up or straight down when you hit the ball or else
you'd feel it. If you splintered one you could sometimes save it by
taping it up real tight with electrical tape. If you ever got a new
bat, you'd keep the old one just to hit rocks and stuff with. Golf
balls went a long way. Some of the bats today cost more than I'd make
in a year of allowance money.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:56:19
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The_Professor wrote:
>
> My scores are, if anything a little vain. I do pick up 3 footers from
> time to time, and I do roll the ball occasionally. So I am a vanity
> capper. Thus the true measure of a real single digit handicapper is
> that they can give a hacker like me with a vanity cap the strokes as
> per the system and beat me at least 3 out of 4 times.
I never did like the handicap system for many of the reasons you
mentioned. Also, the system is based on stroke play scores and then is
applied to matches in match play which seems kinda weird to me.
The purpose of the handicap system is to allow golfers of varying
abilities to compete equally, but that can never happen. They weight it
slightly to favor the better player, the assumption being that the
better player should win more times than not. So why bother with the
handicap system in the first place?
Pre-flighting a tournament by handicaps makes sense. It allows players
to compete only with other players of similar abilities, but even that
is not an exact science.
There is a local tournament that uses full handicaps (or at least a
certain percentage of your index) and subtracts that from your gross
score to get the net. High-handicappers lick their chops when they
hear about this, thinking that they'll rob 'em. What they often forget
is that there is no ESC in the tournament so the 11 they made on the
14th hole counts as 11. And that 5-footer that they normally raked in
for bogey becomes a 3-putt triple-bogey when they blow it 4 feet past.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:20:17
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 5 Sep 2006 18:56:19 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>I never did like the handicap system for many of the reasons you
>mentioned. Also, the system is based on stroke play scores and then is
>applied to matches in match play which seems kinda weird to me.
>The purpose of the handicap system is to allow golfers of varying
>abilities to compete equally, but that can never happen. They weight it
>slightly to favor the better player, the assumption being that the
>better player should win more times than not. So why bother with the
>handicap system in the first place?
The primary use of handicaps in the U.S. is to create a starting point
for betting. It also is used to set a starting point for tournaments
- some with players you know, and some with strangers.
Do you have any recommendations on how to better do this?
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:54:30
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> I found you giving life's pearls of wisdom kind of funny.
> That was my only message.
I know, buddy, I know. And my only message is that it must suck for
you not to have Hibbard around to fuss with these days. See ya' in the
next round, palooka.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:09:43
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157507670.817050.163660@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> I found you giving life's pearls of wisdom kind of funny.
>> That was my only message.
>
> I know, buddy, I know. And my only message is that it must suck for
> you not to have Hibbard around to fuss with these days. See ya' in the
> next round, palooka.
>
http://www.perfectimpact.com/phpBB2/index.php
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:09:29
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157507670.817050.163660@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> I found you giving life's pearls of wisdom kind of funny.
>> That was my only message.
>
> I know, buddy, I know. And my only message is that it must suck for
> you not to have Hibbard around to fuss with these days. See ya' in the
> next round, palooka.
>
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:34:35
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> Memory is the second thing to go. :-)
So what is the first thing to go?
-Annika ----- > straight man
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 20:50:20
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 5 Sep 2006 18:34:35 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> Memory is the second thing to go. :-)
>
>So what is the first thing to go?
>
>
>-Annika -----> straight man
I must've been wrong. Obviously it's your imagination :-)
___,
\o
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:33:41
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
>
> Mostly club baseball, but he does play Little League for fun.
>
> http://www.desertfirebirds.com/
>
> 2005 Triple Crown Sports 10U National Champions
> 2006 Triple Crown Sports 11U --5th at Nationals.
> Click on the web-site above, then click on ALBUMS.
> Hit the first pic under Easter Tournament. He's on the left with his MVP
> trophy.
>
> New season starts tommorrow--Super Series labor day Classic.
I'm probably in the minority here, but something about shuttling your
kid all over the country to play Little League tournaments year-round
is just WRONG.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:11:17
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157506421.390413.57810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>>
>> Mostly club baseball, but he does play Little League for fun.
>>
>> http://www.desertfirebirds.com/
>>
>> 2005 Triple Crown Sports 10U National Champions
>> 2006 Triple Crown Sports 11U --5th at Nationals.
>> Click on the web-site above, then click on ALBUMS.
>> Hit the first pic under Easter Tournament. He's on the left with his MVP
>> trophy.
>>
>> New season starts tommorrow--Super Series labor day Classic.
>
> I'm probably in the minority here, but something about shuttling your
> kid all over the country to play Little League tournaments year-round
> is just WRONG.
>
Why is it that guys with no kids are experts on raising kids?
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 02:31:11
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> Why is it that guys with no kids are experts on raising kids?
I would never criticise a parent who spent enough time with their kids
to develop some sort of passion and/or love of a game (provided you
don't over-indulge or over stress them by re-living your life's
shortcomings vicariously through your kids).
The worst parents are the ones who never spend any time with their kids
doing anything. Bored kids without interests are the delinquents of
tomorrow. Beats me why parents have them.
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:40:11
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157506421.390413.57810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>>
>> Mostly club baseball, but he does play Little League for fun.
>>
>> http://www.desertfirebirds.com/
>>
>> 2005 Triple Crown Sports 10U National Champions
>> 2006 Triple Crown Sports 11U --5th at Nationals.
>> Click on the web-site above, then click on ALBUMS.
>> Hit the first pic under Easter Tournament. He's on the left with his MVP
>> trophy.
>>
>> New season starts tommorrow--Super Series labor day Classic.
>
> I'm probably in the minority here, but something about shuttling your
> kid all over the country to play Little League tournaments year-round
> is just WRONG.
>
We play 90% in AZ within driving distance from home.
We go to 2-3 away tournaments per year, usually by invitation to a National.
Less travel than most competitive soccer teams I know.
Just got done with the Super Series Labor Day Championship this weekend here
in AZ.
1st place in 11U
Lil' glfnaz was tournament MVP.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 16:43:16
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> Getting life's lessons from Ben.
Hardly a life lesson, Brad. Just the truth as I see it.
> Scary thing.
Bite me. You only show up when there's a fight to be had, anyway...the
instant this one dries up, you'll go back to being dormant.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:29:57
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157499796.428063.316810@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> Getting life's lessons from Ben.
>
> Hardly a life lesson, Brad. Just the truth as I see it.
>
>> Scary thing.
>
> Bite me. You only show up when there's a fight to be had, anyway...the
> instant this one dries up, you'll go back to being dormant.
>
I found you giving life's pearls of wisdom kind of funny.
That was my only message.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 16:10:45
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
>
> I didn't type " At my club, the really good golfers play straight up "
> But I agree with the statement.
> The really good players at my club, like TEX wrote, have their own events.
> The only club events they play are the Major ones. There's 25-30 guys who
> play together 2X per week off scratch. They aren't all scratch players, but
> they don't want to use handicaps.
> One need not be a scratch or plus handicap to enjoy playing straight up.
At the infamous Hemorrhoid Classic I drew David Laville for my second
round match.
I asked, "How many strokes do you need to make this thing fair?"
David said something to the effect of, "Up your ass with the spot, I'll
play you straight up!"
You gotta admire that.
-Annika ----- > 7&6
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 18:28:43
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157497845.593081.211430@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>>
>> I didn't type " At my club, the really good golfers play straight up "
>> But I agree with the statement.
>> The really good players at my club, like TEX wrote, have their own
>> events.
>> The only club events they play are the Major ones. There's 25-30 guys who
>> play together 2X per week off scratch. They aren't all scratch players,
>> but
>> they don't want to use handicaps.
>> One need not be a scratch or plus handicap to enjoy playing straight up.
>
> At the infamous Hemorrhoid Classic I drew David Laville for my second
> round match.
> I asked, "How many strokes do you need to make this thing fair?"
> David said something to the effect of, "Up your ass with the spot, I'll
> play you straight up!"
> You gotta admire that.
>
> -Annika -----> 7&6
>
Same with me when David and I played.
He just wanted to play, he didn't want to take or give any strokes.
.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 15:56:00
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
> > since when have you ever worried about or considered "facts"? You're
> > obviously just a shit disturbing troll and whether you like it or not,
> > or whether you care or not, you're going in with Ben
A couple of things here, Greg:
You have really pissed off this imbecile Dave/long&left if you coaxed
him into actual cursing w/ no asterisks - for that I applaud you - I've
been trying to do that for some time now! He's an ankle
biter/sycophant as you have correctly pointed out, and takes great
pains to publicly proclaim I am in his killfile, as if I give a shit
(nothing says idiot more than the public proclamation of plonkage).
But then he sees no irony in responding to me through quoted passages -
just watch - he'll resond here. Plonking in appearance only is a rather
hollow gesture.
> Good decision, idiot.
The second thing is this - you once privately called me a "Gosh Darn
Independent - GDI", and you were right. I have no allegiances to
anyone in this confab. I don't align myself with the fabled
"c-listers", the wannabes like Dave, or anyone else. With that said,
since your re-emergence, you appear very bitter, confused, vengeful and
flat out hell-bent on fighting with those you perceive are persecuting
you. As I recall, you were a pretty level-headed guy...a little on the
paranoid/conspiracy theory side, but not as aggressive as you have
seemingly become.
It is kinda sad, as you were the guy who reached out to me, introduced
yourself, and generally welcomed me to the group. Something happened
to that guy. Just a word of advice, for whatever it is worth to you -
lighten up, man, it's just a newsgroup. Fuck it if Dalecki isn't
really a single digit, who cares what BK says to you - ironically,
we've come to a level of mutual respect...at least I have, don't worry
about these things. Speaking of the BK thing, in this very thread you,
again, made light of the span of someone's life - not cool. You're
probably a pretty decent guy in real life - act like it!
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 15:59:24
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157496960.842170.287690@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dene wrote:
>> long&left wrote:
>>
>> > since when have you ever worried about or considered "facts"? You're
>> > obviously just a shit disturbing troll and whether you like it or not,
>> > or whether you care or not, you're going in with Ben
>
> A couple of things here, Greg:
>
> You have really pissed off this imbecile Dave/long&left if you coaxed
> him into actual cursing w/ no asterisks - for that I applaud you - I've
> been trying to do that for some time now! He's an ankle
> biter/sycophant as you have correctly pointed out, and takes great
> pains to publicly proclaim I am in his killfile, as if I give a shit
> (nothing says idiot more than the public proclamation of plonkage).
> But then he sees no irony in responding to me through quoted passages -
> just watch - he'll resond here. Plonking in appearance only is a rather
> hollow gesture.
>
>> Good decision, idiot.
>
> The second thing is this - you once privately called me a "Gosh Darn
> Independent - GDI", and you were right. I have no allegiances to
> anyone in this confab. I don't align myself with the fabled
> "c-listers", the wannabes like Dave, or anyone else. With that said,
> since your re-emergence, you appear very bitter, confused, vengeful and
> flat out hell-bent on fighting with those you perceive are persecuting
> you. As I recall, you were a pretty level-headed guy...a little on the
> paranoid/conspiracy theory side, but not as aggressive as you have
> seemingly become.
>
> It is kinda sad, as you were the guy who reached out to me, introduced
> yourself, and generally welcomed me to the group. Something happened
> to that guy. Just a word of advice, for whatever it is worth to you -
> lighten up, man, it's just a newsgroup. Fuck it if Dalecki isn't
> really a single digit, who cares what BK says to you - ironically,
> we've come to a level of mutual respect...at least I have, don't worry
> about these things. Speaking of the BK thing, in this very thread you,
> again, made light of the span of someone's life - not cool. You're
> probably a pretty decent guy in real life - act like it!
>
Getting life's lessons from Ben.
Scary thing.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:23:05
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157829418.387587.66310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Hey Brad
> >
> > I like this post better. A lot better than that Little League drivel,
> > which was nothing more than bragging. None of us give a shit about
> > your Little League exploits. Fucking Braggert, like we give a shit.
>
> I enjoyed reading his posts about his son's baseball accomplishments. So
> did the 16,000 members of the C-List (not including the mole).
Of course you would say you enjoyed reading about the accomplishments
of the braggert's son. You are a cronie, you have no other choice but
to agree with whatever your ilk decrees. But for those of us who do
not have our tongues up each others butts, we couldn't and didn't care
less. Talk about OT posting. Discussion of Little League in a golf
forum.
If Brad said he enjoyed shit and peanut butter on rye, you would
respond that you similarly enjoy such a diet and then would follow-up
with three recipes of your own.
Polly the computer nerd parrott. That is all you are. Now take
that to your crony list and whine and tell them how your precious
feelings have been hurt.
The Hammer
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 02:34:37
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157854985.856140.83140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> If Brad said he enjoyed shit and peanut butter on rye, you would
> respond that you similarly enjoy such a diet and then would follow-up
> with three recipes of your own.
No wonder you wanted Brad to pay for breakfast.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:22:59
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> > So Rob/Eric's one day fued justifies Scott's actions? Is that the
> > point you're trying to make?? It's apples and oranges, Brad.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> No
> My point is that he criticized Scott Newall ( RSG NW) about how everybody at
> an RSG event needs to 'get along, or don't show up'.
> Yet--
> Eric Trashed Rob at Rob's Schmasters event.
> And, he trashed Rob here after the event.
> And he trashed Rob at GEA
> ( now you get it?)
> Hint--he criticizes people for dong the same thing he himself does.
Imagine that - there's yet another juvenile conflict in RSG and guess
who somehow finds time to join in the fun? Shocking...
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:27:42
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157833379.713118.189550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> > So Rob/Eric's one day fued justifies Scott's actions? Is that the
>> > point you're trying to make?? It's apples and oranges, Brad.
>> >
>> > -Greg
>> >
>> No
>> My point is that he criticized Scott Newall ( RSG NW) about how everybody
>> at
>> an RSG event needs to 'get along, or don't show up'.
>> Yet--
>> Eric Trashed Rob at Rob's Schmasters event.
>> And, he trashed Rob here after the event.
>> And he trashed Rob at GEA
>> ( now you get it?)
>> Hint--he criticizes people for dong the same thing he himself does.
>
> Imagine that - there's yet another juvenile conflict in RSG and guess
> who somehow finds time to join in the fun? Shocking...
>
I guess your own post of 5 minutes ago didn't count.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:09:49
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> No
> My point is that he criticized Scott Newall ( RSG NW) about how everybody at
> an RSG event needs to 'get along, or don't show up'.
> Yet--
> Eric Trashed Rob at Rob's Schmasters event.
> And, he trashed Rob here after the event.
> And he trashed Rob at GEA
> ( now you get it?)
> Hint--he criticizes people for dong the same thing he himself does.
I believe Eric would have handled Scott's "dilemma" in the way he
described. He's up front with people, including Rob. Your's and
Colonville's google dredging further reinforces this belief.
Back to the shed.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:15:42
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157832589.533210.220040@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> No
>> My point is that he criticized Scott Newall ( RSG NW) about how everybody
>> at
>> an RSG event needs to 'get along, or don't show up'.
>> Yet--
>> Eric Trashed Rob at Rob's Schmasters event.
>> And, he trashed Rob here after the event.
>> And he trashed Rob at GEA
>> ( now you get it?)
>> Hint--he criticizes people for dong the same thing he himself does.
>
> I believe Eric would have handled Scott's "dilemma" in the way he
> described. He's up front with people, including Rob. Your's and
> Colonville's google dredging further reinforces this belief.
>
> Back to the shed.
>
> -Greg
>
I wasn't addressing how Eric would have handled it (being in Newall's
place).
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 11:53:01
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Rude Dog wrote:
> > Your point is well taken. I do find it odd that you're assigned a
> > single digit handicap with such few 70 rounds. It seemed to me that I
> > had more 2 years ago yet was only briefly a 9. Maybe I need to get
> > your program.
> >
>
> Maybe the program isn't right ... that could be. You're welcome to go to
> www.fairwayfiles.com and take a look (you have to signup first). My userid
> is adrianhcole. It has a breakdown of how my index is determined.
Thanks for the link. I'm sure your input and program are honest.
Perhaps you play tougher courses than I do, thus breaking 80 is less of
a standard.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:53:51
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> Why in the world are you still reading this idiot's posts Glfnaz?
So you dictate whom he can respond to. How typical anal-nanny of you,
B.O.B.
> He's so far off base here it's funny.
Hence the term, tongue in cheek.
> First, no way would Eric ever host anything with my name involved.
He probably would, but not in an honorable sense. What a better way to
follow up the Rhoid with a tourney honoring a real Anus.
> Next, Schoenshit wouldn't be invited to any tournament with my name
> on it.
Read above, genius.
> Thirdly, I'm sure Dalecki wouldn't play in ANY tournament Shoenshit
> attended.
Likewise.
> Lastly, he couldn't beat Mike with strokes, much less straight up.
We'll never know. But this I do know....I post all my scores.
-Greg
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 21:05:51
From: Steve S
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157478831.810524.10310@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hence the term, tongue in cheek.
>
I believe you have the wrong body parts I belive you meant to say head up
ass.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 10:25:56
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Carbon wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:08:44 -0700, Dene wrote:
>
> > Yet in here I'm a nutcase. Go figure.
>
> Well, you did threaten to sue someone over a golf tournament...
I privately warned the host about slandering my name with a "TITPB
ceremony" during his golf tournament, and in RSG afterwards.
-Greg
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 09:48:22
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The_Professor wrote:
> The bottom line remains the same though. The true measure of a single
> digit handicapper is that they can play to it.
Problem is Rob, you are saying that they need to play to it always,
when the hcp system simply says that they need to play to it 10 outta
20 times to be single digit.
Why the double standard and blanket profiling? It's okay for you to
sandbag a few rounds here and there with some net rounds in the mid
60s, but Tex/Mike/whoever need critics to point out that their
inability to do the same with a gross score or their limited hcp
advantage? Me thinks the descrepancies lie with you.
And on the flip side, sorry Tex, but just because Rob shot a 68 x# of
years ago does not a hcp make. But Rob, why is that the VARIANCE okay
for you, but not for Tex? Huh? Not that I'm saying an 11 should be
shooting the mid 70s on even a semi-regular basis either. :-)
That's why match play should be very limited in the strokes used, if at
all (not to mention the f-ed up way the strokes are distributed via
hole hcp'ing). And that's why I prefer match play....takes away all of
that crap, when the strokes are used in a limited fashion, if at all.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 09:22:41
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Tex wrote:
>
> An 11 'capper that claims his lowest ever round is 68...an 11 capper
> that shoots in the mid 70's sometimes. Maybe Pitts will give you 3
> strokes, he claimed to be an 8 in 2005 for RSG-NW.
I'm a 10.8, not a 11. My lowest round is 68, and I did shoot it in a
tournament, and I finished 3rd in the 8-15 handicap division!
>
> Got news for you Prof...you fire a mid 70's against someone who's
> giving you 11 pops, you had better hope your life insurance is paid up
> because you'll be getting at least another 11 pops in the parking lot.
Pop away at me in the parking lot all day if you want. Put me in the
hospital. I'm ready to retire! I enter all my scores and the index
comes out as it is. Get over it. Anyone who can't handle the other
player having a good round is someone who shouldn't be playing
competitively. If you don't *KNOW* that it's the *VARIANCE* in scores
that makes me an 11 handicapper, like it does for many of us, you don't
know much about golf. A real competitor can take the odd anomalous
round and live with the fact he will win 75% of the time. But you are
the type of jerk who will physically assault someone for playing well
against you. What a guy! I'm game though. Like I said, I'm ready to
retire!
If your highest differential is something like 6, and you shoot an 80
on a course rated 69, that's your problem, and no one else's. I can
shoot a 78 from the number 2 tees and lose easily to a zero capper
because he shoots 65 from the same tees. One big difference is I
usually play the #2 tees, whereas most scratch golfers I know play from
the #1 tees. It's drive, pitch and putt for them.
Whine away all you want, but I have played many rounds against scratch
golfers with all the strokes, and the real ones are tough to beat. I
don't mind losing at all because it's fun to play those kinds of
matches.The phoneys can't win though, and always whine about it. I
really don't like golfing with them because they always seem to have to
whine about how unfair everything is, and how unlucky they are to have
shot a 79 today. Anyone can go to a local course on friday afternoon,
say around 5:30, when the 12:30 group is finished, and you will hear
them whining away, going on for over 30 minutes sometimes.
The bottom line remains the same though. The true measure of a single
digit handicapper is that they can play to it. Annika1980 playing
regularly could give me 11 strokes and beat me like a drum all day
long. Once in a while I might pull off a 74, but overall, he's going to
win at least 3/4 of the time.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:58:50
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> >>I attribute that to the fact that our greens are small, sloped, and
> >>fast, and the course offers a lot of uneven lies.
> > I attribute it to the fact that I wasn't there.
> You would have lost. My course would eat you up.
I kinda doubt it.
What was your winning score? I'm sure I could break 80 on it, unless
the course is +7000 yards or so. Probably two of the toughest course
I've played are Harbour Town and Princeville. Unless your course is as
tight as Harbour Town or as penal as the Prince Course, I'd do ok. Of
course, if it were then you wouldn't be a 7 there. More like a 37.
Small fast greens don't bother me cause I can chip and putt. Uneven
lies can be tricky, however, since I'm a flatlander.
I agree with Dene's original premise that a single-digit handicap
should be able to break 80 almost anywhere he plays. And when I
started playing golf that was one of my goals; to be able to go to any
course and score decently, and to be able to play with anyone of any
ability and have a fun time and not embarrass myself.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 11:14:21
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
>>>>I attribute that to the fact that our greens are small, sloped, and
>>>>fast, and the course offers a lot of uneven lies.
>
>
>>>I attribute it to the fact that I wasn't there.
>
>
>>You would have lost. My course would eat you up.
>
>
> I kinda doubt it.
> What was your winning score? I'm sure I could break 80 on it, unless
> the course is +7000 yards or so. Probably two of the toughest course
> I've played are Harbour Town and Princeville. Unless your course is as
> tight as Harbour Town or as penal as the Prince Course, I'd do ok. Of
> course, if it were then you wouldn't be a 7 there. More like a 37.
> Small fast greens don't bother me cause I can chip and putt. Uneven
> lies can be tricky, however, since I'm a flatlander.
>
> I agree with Dene's original premise that a single-digit handicap
> should be able to break 80 almost anywhere he plays. And when I
> started playing golf that was one of my goals; to be able to go to any
> course and score decently, and to be able to play with anyone of any
> ability and have a fun time and not embarrass myself.
>
I thought that would get your attention! :)
--
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Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:56:59
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The_Professor wrote:
> If a zero capper is afraid to give me the 11 strookes my USGA index
> calls for, they are a phoney, because they have the edge if they are
> legit, and will know it, and gladly play.
An 11 'capper that claims his lowest ever round is 68...an 11 capper
that shoots in the mid 70's sometimes. Maybe Pitts will give you 3
strokes, he claimed to be an 8 in 2005 for RSG-NW.
Got news for you Prof...you fire a mid 70's against someone who's
giving you 11 pops, you had better hope your life insurance is paid up
because you'll be getting at least another 11 pops in the parking lot.
If you want to boast about your game, fine, boast against those with
similiar games...that's another thing the handicap system does, it
groups baggers together so you can fight it out for bagger of the year
award.
If you'd like to play zero, call Eric, he's the biggest zero around
here.
Tex
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:46:35
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> He always uses a wood bat for batting practice, but the rules allow for 2
> piece composite with a flex handle during games. You want him handicapped
> with your memories of black Adirondack garbage?
Hey, don't you go knockin my George Foster bat! I still have it
somewhere.
I'm sure your kid could strike me out, but that wasn't the point.
The point was how parents try to re-live their own childhoods through
their children, a point you have strengthened, IMO. There is a fine
line between being a proud parent and basing a child's worth on their
accomplishments, that's all I'm saying. Every kid should be an MVP to
their parents. If you (not you personally) place too much emphasis on
the kid winning trophies, what happens when the kid can't play anymore?
Does he then feel worthless?
Now I don't know you or your boy so these are just generic questions
based on the stereotypical Little League parent. You are obviously
proud of your son, and there's nothing wrong with that. I hope you'd
be just as proud of him if he quit baseball tomorrow and took up
ballet.
BTW, my dog would whip your dog.
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/1537800
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 09:21:05
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157557595.756393.48140@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Now I don't know you or your boy so these are just generic questions
> based on the stereotypical Little League parent. You are obviously
> proud of your son, and there's nothing wrong with that. I hope you'd
> be just as proud of him if he quit baseball tomorrow and took up
> ballet.
He's a good kid, and once the game is over he moves on. The tournaments are
social activities where the families all like each other and support the
team.
I long ago left the role of Little league Parent. I used to manage, coach,
umpire, and was a Board Member at the league. I found the parental politics
unbearable. So I resigned. Now, I just watch from the outfield to stay away
from all the parents. Then 2 years ago I wanted to give something back. I
became the Challenger Baseball Director for our District. It's just like
Special Olympics and is an official Division of Little League. Kids with
Downs Syndrome, CP, Autism, etc. Each 'special needs' player goes on the
field with a 'traditional Little Leaguer' for safety. And they play
baseball, some even in wheelchairs. I run the program for District #6 in AZ.
The entire season. My son and 20 other kids from our Little league run the
14 game schedule. It's really fun. And guess who gains the most from the
experience?---- Those kids who volunteer to help the special needs kids grow
a great deal from it.
http://www.littleleague.org/divisions/challenger.asp
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:24:26
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
>
> I never did like the handicap system for many of the reasons you
> mentioned. Also, the system is based on stroke play scores and then is
> applied to matches in match play which seems kinda weird to me.
> The purpose of the handicap system is to allow golfers of varying
> abilities to compete equally, but that can never happen. They weight it
> slightly to favor the better player, the assumption being that the
> better player should win more times than not. So why bother with the
> handicap system in the first place?
>
> Pre-flighting a tournament by handicaps makes sense. It allows players
> to compete only with other players of similar abilities, but even that
> is not an exact science.
> There is a local tournament that uses full handicaps (or at least a
> certain percentage of your index) and subtracts that from your gross
> score to get the net. High-handicappers lick their chops when they
> hear about this, thinking that they'll rob 'em. What they often forget
> is that there is no ESC in the tournament so the 11 they made on the
> 14th hole counts as 11. And that 5-footer that they normally raked in
> for bogey becomes a 3-putt triple-bogey when they blow it 4 feet past.
The handicap system works OK. I think the better players should have an
adavntage, but the weaker player should have a chance to win. I like
pre flighted tournaments because of the way they expose both vanity
cappers and sandbaggers. The vanity cappers have zero chance, and the
sandbaggers are totally exposed. A few years ago I was in a club
championship where a low single digit handicapper claimed to be a mid
capper, and played in the same flight as mine. He shot two rounds in
the low 70's. People wouldn't even talk to him. It was brutal; he would
say something to someone and they would ignore him. He hung around that
club for a couple of more months, but no one would play with him and he
left.
IMHO, the vanity cappers have too much control over MGAs to allow too
much flighting by handicap. They love the flighting after the first
round; lets them get away from having to compete at the level they
claim. They can still make the claim but not have to pay for it by
being blown out by the legit low handicappers. Round here tournaments
draw very little interest because of this.
If a zero capper is afraid to give me the 11 strookes my USGA index
calls for, they are a phoney, because they have the edge if they are
legit, and will know it, and gladly play. I challenge people all the
time, and have lost many times to real low digit handicappers with the
strokes. I have also soundly thrashed golfers claiming as low as a 4
handicap with no strokes, and it boils down to what you say. No
gimmies, play it as it lies, and their game totally falls apart! The 4
foot comebacker that they have to putt out takes a lot of aggression
out of the 8 foot birdie tries!
The true measure of a single digit handicap is they can play to it.
Either they do or they don't! And that's the bottom line because the
professor says so!
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:55:35
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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larry wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2006 17:51:40 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> Amateur golf is a popular sport for wagering-- ONLY because the
> >> handicap system makes matches reasonably fair and unpredictable. Other
> >> sports are not so easily handicapped-- and thus not as popular for
> >> wagering.
> >
> >Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
> >What a maroon!
>
> Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
> grade did you drop out of?
I'm pretty sure he meant "maroon". I believe it's from a Bugs Bunny
cartoon.
Bryan
I have a rule about heckling on the golf course, I never do it until
after I've hit.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 07:15:03
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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larry wrote:
> >Yeah, nobody ever bets on football or baseball.
> >What a maroon!
>
> Actually the word you meant is spelled 'moron,' Whew! So what 6th
> grade did you drop out of?
>
> Larry (the KING of RSG)
Swoosh!
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:36:43
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 6-Sep-2006, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
> IMHO, the vanity cappers have too much control over MGAs to allow too
> much flighting by handicap. They love the flighting after the first
> round;
These types of tournaments are the bagger's delight. Flight by handicap or
play stright up!
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:52:09
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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glfnaz wrote:
> I long ago left the role of Little league Parent. I used to manage, coach,
> umpire, and was a Board Member at the league. I found the parental politics
> unbearable. So I resigned. Now, I just watch from the outfield to stay away
> from all the parents.
Translation from glfnaz speak into Reality:
The parents took a vote and sent a delegation asking Brad if he
wouldn't mind just watching the games on VHS at his home. He countered
with watching from the outfield, away from everyone. The deal was
done, and on a quiet night at the ball park you can hear the sobs of
"Ball my ass!" from right field.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:11:14
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Ben. <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> I long ago left the role of Little league Parent. I used to manage, coach,
>> umpire, and was a Board Member at the league. I found the parental politics
>> unbearable. So I resigned. Now, I just watch from the outfield to stay away
>> from all the parents.
>
> Translation from glfnaz speak into Reality:
>
> The parents took a vote and sent a delegation asking Brad if he
> wouldn't mind just watching the games on VHS at his home. He countered
> with watching from the outfield, away from everyone. The deal was
> done, and on a quiet night at the ball park you can hear the sobs of
> "Ball my ass!" from right field.
That was uncalled for, dude.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 12:49:55
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Wayne wrote:
>
> Bottom line, if you want to play me for anything, we're playing straight up.
> You'll beat me because I don't play enough anymore, but that's not the
> point.
>
Nothing wrong with that, however, if you were say a 4 handciapper, I
don't want to play you straight up. I also don't want to be conned into
playing in flights with you in a tournament either. Play other 4
handicaps or better. There are waaaay more people my speed out there in
any event, and I will give weaker golfers strokes according to GHIN,
which adds even more people I can golf with. Top that off with there
are a lot of scratch golfers who have no problem giving me strokes
according to GHIN, and there are lots of potential matches out there
for me. The only people I can play are 4 handicappers who shoot 85 a
lot. Don't get me wrong, I like the easy money, but they don't seem to
want to play! No skin off my bones though!!
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 16:12:33
From: Otto
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The handicap system is great but it can not compensate for two types of
golfers:
Sandbaggers
and
Handicap snobs
The sandbaggers post scores well over their "true speed" and the snobs can't
stand to post a crappy score when they have one so they have too low a
handicap.
The sandbaggers all want to play for money/fame. The snobs all want to flout
their handicap as long as no money is on the line.
The rest of us just play golf by the rules and have fun. If you regularly
play with folks for money and the money just seems to circulate around and
no one ends up by much over time, the handicaps are probably about right. If
you have someone consistently losing or winning money over a long period of
time, they probably fall into one of the above categories.
Otto
"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1157572194.974094.306590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Nothing wrong with that, however, if you were say a 4 handciapper, I
> don't want to play you straight up. I also don't want to be conned into
> playing in flights with you in a tournament either. Play other 4
> handicaps or better. There are waaaay more people my speed out there in
> any event, and I will give weaker golfers strokes according to GHIN,
> which adds even more people I can golf with. Top that off with there
> are a lot of scratch golfers who have no problem giving me strokes
> according to GHIN, and there are lots of potential matches out there
> for me. The only people I can play are 4 handicappers who shoot 85 a
> lot. Don't get me wrong, I like the easy money, but they don't seem to
> want to play! No skin off my bones though!!
>
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 12:40:55
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Tex wrote:
>
> No need to aplogize...I'm merely pointing out the wild variations in
> his logic. If a "0" is supposed to have a tight spread on scores, why
> not an "11".
Because that's the way the scores actually do vary. You report a spread
from -1.9 to 4.6 over your last 20 rounds. That's a difference of 6.5
strokes. 20 rounds is considered represeanttive of your range of play.
My differentials range from 7.1 to over 21. That's a difference of
about 14 strokes. The differences in score variance as handicap
increase is a fact, it's just the way things are, and can be seen
comparing low and high handicappers anywhere.
> Your handicap is "supposed" to reflect your potential scoring ability,
> it's not your average, it's not a crutch to use to make bets. However,
> the system is broken when people who consistantly beat their index do
> not return with lower indexes year in and year out. Lower scores can
> be washed out in less than a month. Who's to know?
Most people rarely beat their index, but most people rarely shoot over
the highest score over their last 20 rounds either. The fact remains
that the lower handicapper has the endge with the GHIN system
The bottom line remains, despite anything else, that the true measure
of a single digit handicapper is that they can play to it! If I played
a zero handicapper with 11 strokes, that person would win 75% of the
time. That person would be expected to shoot 75 or less most of the
time (on your typical par 72 course rated around 70) and I will shoot
over 86 most of the time. These are facts born out by comparison of
your scores with mine. The odd 74 I shoot will get me a sure win. The
-1.9s you shoot will not get you an instant win, but the times I shoot
over 86 you do get the instant win, and I am far more likely to do that
than shoot 74. Now, if you shoot 80, you almost can't win, but in your
last 20 rounds you were nowhere near 80, so no way you are going to
shoot 80, right?
You never take strokes when you play? Good for you! No one should be
giving you any strokes anyways!
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 11:09:52
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Tex wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > I privately warned the host about slandering my name with a "TITPB
> > ceremony" during his golf tournament, and in RSG afterwards.
>
> And in fact, the host had nothing to do with it at the
> tournament...yet, you still splashed your turd.
Apparently they've added a new synonym for the word threatened
("warned"). I received no warning whatsoever unless warnings these
days conclude with sympathetic statements like this..."Hope you and
Kelli (sic) haven't spent that down payment yet."
Was there any mention/slander of your name in conjunction of this
surprise on me at RSGNW? No. But you wouldn't want to get the facts
straight before sending a threatening pair of emails? Nah....why waste
time in over reacting?
Did I apologize for my mis-use of the phrase "TITPB ceremony"?
Yes...twice. I have yet to see an apology from you for threatening my
livelihood.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 11:08:48
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
> > >>I attribute that to the fact that our greens are small, sloped, and
> > >>fast, and the course offers a lot of uneven lies.
>
> > > I attribute it to the fact that I wasn't there.
>
> > You would have lost. My course would eat you up.
>
> I kinda doubt it.
> What was your winning score? I'm sure I could break 80 on it, unless
> the course is +7000 yards or so. Probably two of the toughest course
> I've played are Harbour Town and Princeville. Unless your course is as
> tight as Harbour Town or as penal as the Prince Course, I'd do ok. Of
> course, if it were then you wouldn't be a 7 there. More like a 37.
> Small fast greens don't bother me cause I can chip and putt. Uneven
> lies can be tricky, however, since I'm a flatlander.
>
> I agree with Dene's original premise that a single-digit handicap
> should be able to break 80 almost anywhere he plays. And when I
> started playing golf that was one of my goals; to be able to go to any
> course and score decently, and to be able to play with anyone of any
> ability and have a fun time and not embarrass myself.
Score really doesn't matter, it's differential. A 9 at my home course
isn't going to break 80 very often. Shooting 79 gets you a 5.5
differential (72.3/135). Play on my dad's muni and a 5.5
differential gets you about a 73.
>ability and have a fun time and not embarrass myself.
Since when did not embarrassing yourself get tossed out the window? ;-)
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 11:00:52
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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newellsatwsu wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > The bottom line remains the same though. The true measure of a single
> > digit handicapper is that they can play to it.
>
> Problem is Rob, you are saying that they need to play to it always,
> when the hcp system simply says that they need to play to it 10 outta
> 20 times to be single digit.
>
> Why the double standard and blanket profiling? It's okay for you to
> sandbag a few rounds here and there with some net rounds in the mid
> 60s, but Tex/Mike/whoever need critics to point out that their
> inability to do the same with a gross score or their limited hcp
> advantage? Me thinks the descrepancies lie with you.
>
> And on the flip side, sorry Tex, but just because Rob shot a 68 x# of
> years ago does not a hcp make. But Rob, why is that the VARIANCE okay
> for you, but not for Tex? Huh? Not that I'm saying an 11 should be
> shooting the mid 70s on even a semi-regular basis either. :-)
>
> That's why match play should be very limited in the strokes used, if at
> all (not to mention the f-ed up way the strokes are distributed via
> hole hcp'ing). And that's why I prefer match play....takes away all of
> that crap, when the strokes are used in a limited fashion, if at all.
No need to aplogize...I'm merely pointing out the wild variations in
his logic. If a "0" is supposed to have a tight spread on scores, why
not an "11".
I could easily "use" (read: abuse) the handicap system and come to the
next RSG-NW with a 10 index....would that be acceptable? I will
honestly state that I post all my scores.
Your handicap is "supposed" to reflect your potential scoring ability,
it's not your average, it's not a crutch to use to make bets. However,
the system is broken when people who consistantly beat their index do
not return with lower indexes year in and year out. Lower scores can
be washed out in less than a month. Who's to know?
That is why I play straight up games only....don't like it, fine by me,
don't play. Now, I will give strokes/holes to those people I know well
enough. If I don't know your game, we play even. I don't trust the
USGA index that says "x" because it is too easy to make "x" into
anything you prefer.
Tex
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:40:14
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 6-Sep-2006, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
> Now, I will give strokes/holes to those people I know well
> enough.
or that are so skinny that the shear thought of 2 strokes a side keeps them
tethered to the ground!
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 10:48:00
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
> > On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:08:44 -0700, Dene wrote:
> >
> > > Yet in here I'm a nutcase. Go figure.
> >
> > Well, you did threaten to sue someone over a golf tournament...
>
> I privately warned the host about slandering my name with a "TITPB
> ceremony" during his golf tournament, and in RSG afterwards.
And in fact, the host had nothing to do with it at the
tournament...yet, you still splashed your turd.
Tex
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 10:30:52
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Then start governing it by paying close attention to the last phrase,
> which you conveniently deleted.
Yeah, unlike you, I didn't delete the entire post. Because I have an
answer for every one of your little squabbles and false acusations that
you post about me...plus your actions/reputation that you refuse to
take responsibility for.
> I don't want anything to do with you,
> in person, in RSG, or in any aspect of my life!
That's fine with me. But like I said, everytime you lie about the past
events concerning you, RSGNW and your threats against me, I'll be here
to set the record straight.
> If Google allowed for plonking, you'd be in the idiot box.
And here comes the name calling. What do you have for us today Greg?
More material about how my wife makes more money than I do and that my
golf game sucks?
> You're just a little twit of whom I have zero respect or regard for.
Oh, I see you're using the same treatment I thought you only reserved
for Mike. I feel so honored that you're comfortable enough to spin
away from the debate at hand and move right into the playground
tactics.
> Given that, I'm not going to waste my time with you, especially in taking your bait for
> another one of your typical LLarry-like debates.
Seems that I heard these same words from you about a month ago.
Another change of heart? Heck, even $1,000 couldn't keep you away from
RSG, who's to think you'd do something on your word.
> The last word is yours, Newt. Be sure to impress your heroes.
Quit lieing about your actions Greg and I'll quit replacing them with
the ever-growing evidence that coincidentially validates my decision to
pull you from the RSGNW mailing list.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 10:36:40
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"newellsatwsu" <newellatwsu@adelphia.net > wrote in message
news:1157650252.892215.298150@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> And here comes the name calling. What do you have for us today Greg?
> More material about how my wife makes more money than I do and that my
> golf game sucks?
If you could only flip those around you'd be doing just fine in my book.
< just a joke Scott >
( smiley face)
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 09:17:57
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> newellsatwsu wrote:
> > > Instead, I recommend that you cease referencing this matter
> > > while you're ahead and move on with the life you've chosen for
> > > yourself.
> >
> > You first. And every time you try to sugarcoat your threats to me as
> > "a warning" or any other mis-statements of the facts, I'll be here to
> > set the record straight. I can govern my own posting behavior here in
> > RSG just fine Greg....you might want to take a look at your own.
>
> Then start governing it by paying close attention to the last phrase,
> which you conveniently deleted. I don't want anything to do with you,
> in person, in RSG, or in any aspect of my life! If Google allowed for
> plonking, you'd be in the idiot box. You're just a little twit of whom
> I have zero respect or regard for. Given that, I'm not going to waste
> my time with you, especially in taking your bait for another one of
> your typical LLarry-like debates.
>
> The last word is yours, Newt. Be sure to impress your heroes.
Yet you continue to read/digest/reply....
It must be a small shallow world you live in that your sole purpose in
returning to RSG (how many times?) is to just stir up shit among those
that mostly think of you as a Turd in the Punchbowl of Life. Oops,
maybe I'll get sued for that...
Yet, you'll have all us believe that life is wonderful for you, you are
successful and you don't need "this place"....So why is it you are
here?
Tex
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 09:09:23
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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newellsatwsu wrote:
> > Instead, I recommend that you cease referencing this matter
> > while you're ahead and move on with the life you've chosen for
> > yourself.
>
> You first. And every time you try to sugarcoat your threats to me as
> "a warning" or any other mis-statements of the facts, I'll be here to
> set the record straight. I can govern my own posting behavior here in
> RSG just fine Greg....you might want to take a look at your own.
Then start governing it by paying close attention to the last phrase,
which you conveniently deleted. I don't want anything to do with you,
in person, in RSG, or in any aspect of my life! If Google allowed for
plonking, you'd be in the idiot box. You're just a little twit of whom
I have zero respect or regard for. Given that, I'm not going to waste
my time with you, especially in taking your bait for another one of
your typical LLarry-like debates.
The last word is yours, Newt. Be sure to impress your heroes.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 08:28:04
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Rude Dog did a classy job of explaining his role in the gag.
His "role"? There was no role....he was the whole thing. You simply
refuse to let this go so that you can hang on every thread of your
conspiracy theory that allows you to continue to martyr your way
through RSG.
> > Did I apologize for my mis-use of the phrase "TITPB ceremony"?
> > Yes...twice. I have yet to see an apology from you for threatening my
> > livelihood.
>
> We have a difference of opinion about the nature of a sincere apology.
> In my book, there are two types of sorrow. Being sorry for what you
> did vs. being sorry that you got caught.
Got caught for what exactly? I apologized for my mistake...saying
there was a "TITPB ceremony"...that was a total falsehood and poor
choice of words. Nothing more.
> Bottom line, Newt. You're not sorry about your attempt to embarrass
> me.
You've done that all on your own, Greg.
> You're sorry about the consequences.
And what just exactly have those been? Once again, you've suffered a
heck of a lot more from your own actions than you (or I) have from
mine.
> Fortunately for you, I
> decided to drop the legalities for selfish reasons. I'd felt bad if
> I'd won. I'd felt bad if I lost. So I dropped it, despite my
> attorney's protests.
You dropped it because you didn't have any material to bring such a
case. I suggest you set your sights on Hammer for calling you a semen
wad. You have a much better case there.
> Your "apology" is not accepted, nor will there ever be one given in
> return.
Well, you go on believing what you want to believe and holding onto
your grudges. I can't make you believe or accept a sincere apology for
the one small thing that was my fault. Keep hanging on to it and keep
trying to spin your social problems here as my fault.
> Instead, I recommend that you cease referencing this matter
> while you're ahead and move on with the life you've chosen for
> yourself.
You first. And every time you try to sugarcoat your threats to me as
"a warning" or any other mis-statements of the facts, I'll be here to
set the record straight. I can govern my own posting behavior here in
RSG just fine Greg....you might want to take a look at your own.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 00:09:45
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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newellsatwsu wrote:
> Tex wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> > > I privately warned the host about slandering my name with a "TITPB
> > > ceremony" during his golf tournament, and in RSG afterwards.
> >
> > And in fact, the host had nothing to do with it at the
> > tournament...yet, you still splashed your turd.
>
> Apparently they've added a new synonym for the word threatened
> ("warned"). I received no warning whatsoever unless warnings these
> days conclude with sympathetic statements like this..."Hope you and
> Kelli (sic) haven't spent that down payment yet."
>
> Was there any mention/slander of your name in conjunction of this
> surprise on me at RSGNW? No. But you wouldn't want to get the facts
> straight before sending a threatening pair of emails? Nah....why waste
> time in over reacting?
Rude Dog did a classy job of explaining his role in the gag.
> Did I apologize for my mis-use of the phrase "TITPB ceremony"?
> Yes...twice. I have yet to see an apology from you for threatening my
> livelihood.
We have a difference of opinion about the nature of a sincere apology.
In my book, there are two types of sorrow. Being sorry for what you
did vs. being sorry that you got caught. I believe, more strongly than
ever, that your choice of words in RSG was a deliberate attempt to
bring a private gag out into the open so that you could embarrass me.
Well guess what, Newt. You came perilously close to biting off more
than you could chew.
Bottom line, Newt. You're not sorry about your attempt to embarrass
me. You're sorry about the consequences. Fortunately for you, I
decided to drop the legalities for selfish reasons. I'd felt bad if
I'd won. I'd felt bad if I lost. So I dropped it, despite my
attorney's protests.
Your "apology" is not accepted, nor will there ever be one given in
return. Instead, I recommend that you cease referencing this matter
while you're ahead and move on with the life you've chosen for
yourself.
I, for one, am grateful that I'll never be part of it.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 19:23:55
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> I have absolutely no recollection of you objecting to the Pitts/Koenig
> bet. Had you said something, privately or in RSG, I'd withdrawn the
> bet.
It wasn't the bet...it was the fuel you used from it to further your
campaign. As with everything from you there is always a hidden agenda.
> Uh huh. Regardless if they were requested or independent, the decision
> to include or exclude was entirely yours. Quit blaming them and take
> responsibility.
I don't blame them. I have always taken responsibility for flipping
the switch. I think it's just amazing how good you are at making
enemies rather quickly. I guess everyone should be good at something.
> > By describing it as removing you from the RSGNW mailing list, I'm also
> > saying you you were no longer further invited to the tourney.
>
> There is a distinction. You lied....simple as that. "TITPB ceremony"
> was another lie.
No....no lies here. There was no ceremony. Sure there is a list, but
it's used exactly as I described in my prior post. You were on it when
you were an valued participant of RSGNW...now you're not. Simple.
> I wish you could have seen the smile on my face when I read your last
> statement. You act as though your two bit tournament is a monumental
> event. I'm certain it's the highlight of your life. For me, it was
> just a tournament, one of many I've attended, whose worth to me was
> ebbing as the years went by. This is precisely why we didn't attend,
> May of 2005. It just wasn't important to us anymore. When are you
> going to understand this?
I recall you flipped back & forth - opting in and out of RSGNW -- about
2-3 different times in 2005 all the way up until the end of
April...citing that you really wanted to come, but had problems with
the ex-wife and getting someone to watch the kids on your weekend. You
didn't mention anything to me about a disinterest in the event. Could
it be another case of Greg not showing his true colors?
For something that's not important in your life you sure do like to
talk, lie, smear, defend your actions and throw dung around here about
it. I find that rather hard to believe.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 18:45:45
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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newellsatwsu wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > newellsatwsu wrote:
> > Complex....give me a break. RSG-NW is your baby and I dared to
> > criticize it.
>
> Nope...had everything to do with your "not backing down" campaign
> taking you to the point of keeping people from attending. For most
> people, it's their choice to attend or not based on the atmosphere of
> the tourney. You are the only one I've had to make that decision for.
>
> > > I was sick of babysitting you.
> >
> > In one sentence, you claim that it had nothing to do with tournament
> > behavior. On the other hand, you now claim to have babysat me.
>
> In terms of playing these stupid he said/she said games (like we're
> doing now), and wondering how everyone was going to get along during
> the tourney after your critiques of RSGNW '04 and the Pitts/Koenig bet
> of '05....yeah, it's kinda like babysitting.
I have absolutely no recollection of you objecting to the Pitts/Koenig
bet. Had you said something, privately or in RSG, I'd withdrawn the
bet.
> > Hmmm.....are you saying there wasn't discussion within the RSG-NW
> > mailing list that I was supposedly outed from? Oh wait....you haven't
> > addressed that lie yet.
>
> Yes, I'm saying there wasn't discussion within the RSG-NW mailing list
> about outing you. I'm saying I received six independent private emails
> (with no other cc's) addressed to me only stating an interest to attend
> RSGNW '06, but didn't want to play with you or be there if you were to
> be in attendance. I made the decision alone based on those emails and
> your past posting behavior in RSG towards RSGNW participants.
Uh huh. Regardless if they were requested or independent, the decision
to include or exclude was entirely yours. Quit blaming them and take
responsibility.
> By describing it as removing you from the RSGNW mailing list, I'm also
> saying you you were no longer further invited to the tourney.
There is a distinction. You lied....simple as that. "TITPB ceremony"
was another lie.
The only
> thing I use the e-mail list I created on Outlook for is to pass along
> info to new/veteran RSGNW attnedees on who's attending and specifics as
> the tourney develops. That list is reduced as people RSVP for the
> tourney; then the master is recycled for the next year. You were
> permanently removed from my Outlook address book as of the middle of
> December 2005.
>
> I'm also saying that you made my life as host miserable...and I removed
> that common denominator. You can count me as #7.
I wish you could have seen the smile on my face when I read your last
statement. You act as though your two bit tournament is a monumental
event. I'm certain it's the highlight of your life. For me, it was
just a tournament, one of many I've attended, whose worth to me was
ebbing as the years went by. This is precisely why we didn't attend,
May of 2005. It just wasn't important to us anymore. When are you
going to understand this?
-Greg
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:54:42
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
> newellsatwsu wrote:
>> I'm also saying that you made my life as host miserable...and I removed
>> that common denominator. You can count me as #7.
>
> I wish you could have seen the smile on my face when I read your last
> statement.
Are you admitting that you take joy in the misery of others?
> You act as though your two bit tournament is a monumental
> event.
Have you organized a tournament, ever? It's a helluva lot of work.
It's very easy and maybe trivial to *attend*, but maybe you should
try seeing it from the other person's view.
I think this is one of the most revealing paragraphs, and
unflattering, that you've ever written.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:10:15
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> newellsatwsu wrote:
> Complex....give me a break. RSG-NW is your baby and I dared to
> criticize it.
Nope...had everything to do with your "not backing down" campaign
taking you to the point of keeping people from attending. For most
people, it's their choice to attend or not based on the atmosphere of
the tourney. You are the only one I've had to make that decision for.
> > I was sick of babysitting you.
>
> In one sentence, you claim that it had nothing to do with tournament
> behavior. On the other hand, you now claim to have babysat me.
In terms of playing these stupid he said/she said games (like we're
doing now), and wondering how everyone was going to get along during
the tourney after your critiques of RSGNW '04 and the Pitts/Koenig bet
of '05....yeah, it's kinda like babysitting.
> Hmmm.....are you saying there wasn't discussion within the RSG-NW
> mailing list that I was supposedly outed from? Oh wait....you haven't
> addressed that lie yet.
Yes, I'm saying there wasn't discussion within the RSG-NW mailing list
about outing you. I'm saying I received six independent private emails
(with no other cc's) addressed to me only stating an interest to attend
RSGNW '06, but didn't want to play with you or be there if you were to
be in attendance. I made the decision alone based on those emails and
your past posting behavior in RSG towards RSGNW participants.
By describing it as removing you from the RSGNW mailing list, I'm also
saying you you were no longer further invited to the tourney. The only
thing I use the e-mail list I created on Outlook for is to pass along
info to new/veteran RSGNW attnedees on who's attending and specifics as
the tourney develops. That list is reduced as people RSVP for the
tourney; then the master is recycled for the next year. You were
permanently removed from my Outlook address book as of the middle of
December 2005.
I'm also saying that you made my life as host miserable...and I removed
that common denominator. You can count me as #7.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:47:48
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Tex wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Ironic, especially when you consider that the only person who
> > has behaved badly in a RSG tournament is Mark Koenig, at RSG-Atl, and
> > an earlier tournament at a restaurant.
>
> Cite factual proof/evidence.
>
> Tex
> p.s evidence is not one's "feelings", nor is the word of a single
> individual.
You know exactly what I'm referring to. Cite your side of the story.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 07:48:25
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> >Gimmie a nice night and a mandolin and I'll sit out back and play the blues
> >as best I can. Nice thing is I get better as I go along! Can't beat it.
> >
> The blues....on a mandolin?
That's funny, I was little confused w/ this one, too! Must be Italian
blues...
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 04:53:29
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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> The blues....on a mandolin?
> --
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:36:07
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Ironic, especially when you consider that the only person who
> has behaved badly in a RSG tournament is Mark Koenig, at RSG-Atl, and
> an earlier tournament at a restaurant.
Cite factual proof/evidence.
Tex
p.s evidence is not one's "feelings", nor is the word of a single
individual.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 20:37:16
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Tex wrote:
> Ben. wrote:
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >
> > > Yup. Played with a guy last week that was smoking a really nice cigar and he
> > > would just chunk it on the ground when he needed to hit. Now I could see
> > > doing this with a Swisher Sweet or the like.
> >
> > What...do you carry an ash tray with you on the course? What effect
> > does putting a cigar on the ground have on it? I smoke mid-range
> > sticks and the occasional indulgence. I've found that the earth is a
> > perfectly suitable location to hold my smoke while I play.
>
> Just imagine all the toxins you are smoking...besides the ones already
> in the cigar....
So Swisher Sweets absorb fewer toxins than, say, a La Gloria Serie R
#6? How's that?
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 10:52:23
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157773036.438874.215700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Tex wrote:
>> Ben. wrote:
>> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yup. Played with a guy last week that was smoking a really nice cigar
>> > > and he
>> > > would just chunk it on the ground when he needed to hit. Now I could
>> > > see
>> > > doing this with a Swisher Sweet or the like.
>> >
>> > What...do you carry an ash tray with you on the course? What effect
>> > does putting a cigar on the ground have on it? I smoke mid-range
>> > sticks and the occasional indulgence. I've found that the earth is a
>> > perfectly suitable location to hold my smoke while I play.
>>
>> Just imagine all the toxins you are smoking...besides the ones already
>> in the cigar....
>
> So Swisher Sweets absorb fewer toxins than, say, a La Gloria Serie R
> #6? How's that?
>
Swishers are already at full toxin capacity when they hit the ground. :-)
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 18:59:27
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Ben. wrote:
> MnMikew wrote:
>
> > Yup. Played with a guy last week that was smoking a really nice cigar and he
> > would just chunk it on the ground when he needed to hit. Now I could see
> > doing this with a Swisher Sweet or the like.
>
> What...do you carry an ash tray with you on the course? What effect
> does putting a cigar on the ground have on it? I smoke mid-range
> sticks and the occasional indulgence. I've found that the earth is a
> perfectly suitable location to hold my smoke while I play.
Just imagine all the toxins you are smoking...besides the ones already
in the cigar....
Tex
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 18:15:54
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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MnMikew wrote:
> Yup. Played with a guy last week that was smoking a really nice cigar and he
> would just chunk it on the ground when he needed to hit. Now I could see
> doing this with a Swisher Sweet or the like.
What...do you carry an ash tray with you on the course? What effect
does putting a cigar on the ground have on it? I smoke mid-range
sticks and the occasional indulgence. I've found that the earth is a
perfectly suitable location to hold my smoke while I play.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 10:51:28
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Ben." <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157764554.775889.305130@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>
>> Yup. Played with a guy last week that was smoking a really nice cigar and
>> he
>> would just chunk it on the ground when he needed to hit. Now I could see
>> doing this with a Swisher Sweet or the like.
>
> What...do you carry an ash tray with you on the course? What effect
> does putting a cigar on the ground have on it? I smoke mid-range
> sticks and the occasional indulgence. I've found that the earth is a
> perfectly suitable location to hold my smoke while I play.
>
Greens to? Not with the goose population we have up here.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:03:59
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On 8 Sep 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >MnMikew wrote:
> >> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157736381.189098.47500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> >> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> >> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> >> >> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> >> >> >> > telling these tales.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think,
> >> >> >> unlike
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
> >> >
> >> > Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with you about them :)
> >> >
> >> > Tex
> >> >
> >> I'd give up golf before beer. :-)
> >
> >I'd eat a bullet before giving up golf...besides, didn't say I stopped
> >drinking :) Just gave up beer. Might still enjoy a single malt with a
> >cigar from time to time....
> >
> >Tex
>
> I thought you gave up cigars as well.
The constant cat turd while playing, yes I did...the odd cigar after a
round, or sharing a smoke at Bandon is different :) Everything in
moderation is good for the soul...
Tex
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 16:21:30
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157742239.552917.122650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On 8 Sep 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >MnMikew wrote:
>> >> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1157736381.189098.47500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> >> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> >> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he
>> >> >> >> > travels all
>> >> >> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his
>> >> >> >> > back and
>> >> >> >> > telling these tales.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people
>> >> >> >> think,
>> >> >> >> unlike
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with you about them :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Tex
>> >> >
>> >> I'd give up golf before beer. :-)
>> >
>> >I'd eat a bullet before giving up golf...besides, didn't say I stopped
>> >drinking :) Just gave up beer. Might still enjoy a single malt with a
>> >cigar from time to time....
>> >
>> >Tex
>>
>> I thought you gave up cigars as well.
>
> The constant cat turd while playing, yes I did...the odd cigar after a
> round, or sharing a smoke at Bandon is different :) Everything in
> moderation is good for the soul...
>
> Tex
Yup. Played with a guy last week that was smoking a really nice cigar and he
would just chunk it on the ground when he needed to hit. Now I could see
doing this with a Swisher Sweet or the like.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 15:26:18
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 8 Sep 2006 12:03:59 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On 8 Sep 2006 11:22:37 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >MnMikew wrote:
>> >> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1157736381.189098.47500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> >> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > MnMikew wrote:
>> >> >> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
>> >> >> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
>> >> >> >> > telling these tales.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think,
>> >> >> >> unlike
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nah, I gave up beer....but I'll still laugh with you about them :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Tex
>> >> >
>> >> I'd give up golf before beer. :-)
>> >
>> >I'd eat a bullet before giving up golf...besides, didn't say I stopped
>> >drinking :) Just gave up beer. Might still enjoy a single malt with a
>> >cigar from time to time....
>> >
>> >Tex
>>
>> I thought you gave up cigars as well.
>
>The constant cat turd while playing, yes I did...the odd cigar after a
>round, or sharing a smoke at Bandon is different :) Everything in
>moderation is good for the soul...
>
>Tex
Agreed, well, except for things like Russian Rulette, feeding great
white sharks by hand, and sharing heroin needles. But I get your
general point.
--
jvdp
Paging Mike Plowinske. You are on the tee Sept 16.
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:22:14
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Tex wrote:
> John van der Pflum wrote:
(snip)
>> I thought you gave up cigars as well.
>
> The constant cat turd while playing, yes I did...the odd cigar after a
> round, or sharing a smoke at Bandon is different :) Everything in
> moderation is good for the soul...
>
> Tex
>
ah shit, I thought I was the only one in training, having given up
cigars and AA (all alcohol). My hope was to be able to outphysical and
outsmart you next May...guess not :)
Dave
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:15:46
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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long&left wrote:
> Tex wrote:
> > John van der Pflum wrote:
> (snip)
> >> I thought you gave up cigars as well.
> >
> > The constant cat turd while playing, yes I did...the odd cigar after a
> > round, or sharing a smoke at Bandon is different :) Everything in
> > moderation is good for the soul...
> >
> > Tex
> >
>
> ah shit, I thought I was the only one in training, having given up
> cigars and AA (all alcohol). My hope was to be able to outphysical and
> outsmart you next May...guess not :)
Glad you took my advice on the girly asterisks, Dave. Step up, next
thing you know you'll be shaving! " :) "
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:30:39
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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newellsatwsu wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Unless someone tells me otherwise,
> > this had nothing to do with my behavior in any golf tournament.
>
> True...to the best of my knowledge as well. It has everything to do
> with the post tourney/newsgroup behavior.
>
> > It's simply that I offended the host in RSG by criticizing an aspect of his
> > tournament.
>
> False...it's actually quite complex that you independently were able to
> offend six people (including two you had never met) to the point that
> they emailed me stating they didn't want to play golf with you at the
> RSGNW tournament. I can't keep that promise due to the random pairings
> for most rounds. And I wasn't going to let one common person dictate
> the attendence of others and use the event as a spotlight for further
> fueding and fuel (i.e. the bet you set up with Pitts/Koenig to draw a
> further excuse to shit-stir from a tourney that you didn't even
> attend!...your powers are amazing).
Complex....give me a break. RSG-NW is your baby and I dared to
criticize it.
> Your inability to shake off your grudges against some RSGNW
> participants and false critiques of them pushed me to the point of
> making that decision as host. I wasn't going to let your RSG campaign
> against the bullies ruin our event any further.
Translation....I don't back down.
I was sick of
> babysitting you.
In one sentence, you claim that it had nothing to do with tournament
behavior. On the other hand, you now claim to have babysat me.
You seemed so upset with the tourney and how it had
> depreciated in your standards anyways, I almost felt that I was doing
> you a favor.
In hindsight, you did.
> It had nothing to do with one aspect. It had everything to do with
> that you were always the common denominator in each seperate
> shit-stirring incident. Every time. For all of Tex's critics here on
> RSG, I've yet to get one request from someone attending RSGNW
> questioning their attendance based on his.
No surprise there.
> > A month later, I received an e-mail from him stating that
> > I was excluded, citing six people who refused to play with me.
>
> I didn't cite the actual people. They came out themselves. Again,
> dispelling your conspiracy theory that I made the whole thing up as an
> excuse to oust you as a groupthink vendetta.
Hmmm.....are you saying there wasn't discussion within the RSG-NW
mailing list that I was supposedly outed from? Oh wait....you haven't
addressed that lie yet.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:19:42
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Unless someone tells me otherwise,
> this had nothing to do with my behavior in any golf tournament.
True...to the best of my knowledge as well. It has everything to do
with the post tourney/newsgroup behavior.
> It's simply that I offended the host in RSG by criticizing an aspect of his
> tournament.
False...it's actually quite complex that you independently were able to
offend six people (including two you had never met) to the point that
they emailed me stating they didn't want to play golf with you at the
RSGNW tournament. I can't keep that promise due to the random pairings
for most rounds. And I wasn't going to let one common person dictate
the attendence of others and use the event as a spotlight for further
fueding and fuel (i.e. the bet you set up with Pitts/Koenig to draw a
further excuse to shit-stir from a tourney that you didn't even
attend!...your powers are amazing).
Your inability to shake off your grudges against some RSGNW
participants and false critiques of them pushed me to the point of
making that decision as host. I wasn't going to let your RSG campaign
against the bullies ruin our event any further. I was sick of
babysitting you. You seemed so upset with the tourney and how it had
depreciated in your standards anyways, I almost felt that I was doing
you a favor.
It had nothing to do with one aspect. It had everything to do with
that you were always the common denominator in each seperate
shit-stirring incident. Every time. For all of Tex's critics here on
RSG, I've yet to get one request from someone attending RSGNW
questioning their attendance based on his.
> A month later, I received an e-mail from him stating that
> I was excluded, citing six people who refused to play with me.
I didn't cite the actual people. They came out themselves. Again,
dispelling your conspiracy theory that I made the whole thing up as an
excuse to oust you as a groupthink vendetta.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:49:28
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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newellsatwsu <newellatwsu@adelphia.net > wrote:
[To Dene]
> Your inability to shake off your grudges against some RSGNW
> participants and false critiques of them pushed me to the point of
> making that decision as host.
I hesitated to jump into this thread because we've been over
this so many times before, and nobody has any real use for
further he-said/she-said bs, but Scott touched on something
fundamental to this story here that deserves some emphasis.
And that would be "inability to shake off your grudges."
Just about everybody who participates on Usenet ends up in
a few flamewars; they're a part of the culture. Most people
get over them. Some refuse ever to let them die. Greg lives
in the second category, and that's a big reason why this
general animus exists towards him, IMO: "oh boy, here he
goes flaming Dalecki out of left field again." At some point,
a willingness to let bygones be bygones becomes an essential
social skill lest one become a complete bore, but Greg carries
every perceived slight prominently on his sleeve and makes
damn sure that everyone sees them.
Finally, it becomes nearly impossible to differentiate this
refusal to move on from obsession, which is why I coined the
leg humping metaphor to describe it. Is there some other
reason to constantly seek the grills of people you dislike
other than to win their attention? Maybe, but I can't figure
out what it is.
Truthfully, I still don't think Greg's a bad guy, but this
weakness of his drives him to some very ugly behavior, and
in the end it usually doesn't matter whether the bad actor
a good guy with issues or just an evil prick -- the damage
done to everybody else is the same. There's just some hope
that the good guy eventually figures it out and comes around,
that's the only difference.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 04:38:00
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 8-Sep-2006, Chris Bellomy <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
> I hesitated to jump into this thread because we've been over
> this so many times before, and nobody has any real use for
> further he-said/she-said bs, but Scott touched on something
> fundamental to this story here that deserves some emphasis.
> And that would be "inability to shake off your grudges."
Or as George Carlin said: "Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the
sweaty things!"
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:07:10
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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dugjustdug wrote:
> Dene wrote:
>
> > Just some delayed clarification, in case the above wasn't clear. I
> > don't recall who the sixth was but of the five, I had befriended/played
> > golf with Rick Rider and Jeff Buege. Dugjustdug, I'd met but never
> > played golf with, nor had any memorable conversations.
>
> That;s just it, Greg. It wasn't memorable to you...
Got something to say, then spill it. RSG or e-mail
(dene@ipns.com)....you choose. I honesty don't recall anything
negative between us.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:02:36
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Just some delayed clarification, in case the above wasn't clear. I
> don't recall who the sixth was but of the five, I had befriended/played
> golf with Rick Rider and Jeff Buege. Dugjustdug, I'd met but never
> played golf with, nor had any memorable conversations.
That;s just it, Greg. It wasn't memorable to you...
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 15:58:38
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Herbert wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > The bottom line remains, despite anything else, that the true measure
> > of a single digit handicapper is that they can play to it! If I played
>
> The bottom line for this thread is the original post was suspect - high
> single digit players are nowhere near as good as low single digit
> players, and any such comparison is unfair. A 7 index should not be
> *expected* to break 80 on an any single round. The 7 definitely has
> the potential to break 80, but it would not be expected.
>
> Handicaps based on non-competitive rounds mean shit anyway. "T" scores
> are the only ones that should count. Now if they original poster is
> questioning the 7s ability to "play" to his index in competitions,
> that's a valid stance to take against *any* golfer whose index is based
> primarily on social play.
That's a fairly reasonable analysis. I guess what gets me is that if
you are claiing to be a 7 on your typical recreational alyout with a
course rating of 68-69, it means 96% of the average of your best 10 of
your last 20 scores is 75/76, so you should be breaking 80 a lot. While
a 7 certainly leaves a lot of room for 80+ scores, the range of my
scores (from highest to lowest) as an 11 handicapper is about 14. It
should be lower for a 7, but even as a 7, he's going to have to have
some scores around 73 or so, and that means even with the range of a
hacker like me, his highest scores should be like 87 or so.
Realistically, they should be maybe 85 or so.
I any event, I feel fully justified in pointing these issues out as we
are talking about someone who thinks my claims as a hacker, who has
posted socres here of over 100, are braggadocious, and yet cannot
respond to a simple challenge without a lot of hubris.
In any event, I will probably be able to make it up to Ohio sometime
next July. I don't want to play in RSG-Cincy though. Nothing against
Pflum, but I don't need the drama from people who need a scapegoat to
dump a lot of drama on to sooth the feelings induced by massive
reduction in testosterone secretion and the accompanying physiological
consequences of that, and some such people usually attend RSG-Cincy.
Nonetheless, I would still be willing to play Dalecki in a 5 buck
nassau sometime next July in Ohio, which is reasonably intermediate for
the two of us, just to give him the chance to show everyone how
braggadocious and what a phoney I am, and confirm what a great golfer
he is. I'd prefer Cowlumbus, but the noble city of Cincinnati is more
than worthy. No drama, just arrange a date and show up and play, which
has always been my MO!
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 15:36:38
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> Herbert wrote:
>
> >
> > You do not seem like a nutcase to me. You had a beef with the
> > C-listers and then the RSG/NW gang and you stood your ground each time.
> > I'm sure you're not all peaches n' cream however - there are 6 people
> > you previously met from RSG/NW that now refuse to golf with you. There
> > must be some aspect to your character that some find most unpleasant,
> > but I still can't imagine what would compel six grown men to burden The
> > RSG/NW host with special requests to the dance-card.
>
> Actually, without recalling exactly who the "six" were, three I had
> met. Two I had played golf with. Unless someone tells me otherwise,
> this had nothing to do with my behavior in any golf tournament. It's
> simply that I offended the host in RSG by criticizing an aspect of his
> tournament. A month later, I received an e-mail from him stating that
> I was excluded, citing six people who refused to play with me.
Just some delayed clarification, in case the above wasn't clear. I
don't recall who the sixth was but of the five, I had befriended/played
golf with Rick Rider and Jeff Buege. Dugjustdug, I'd met but never
played golf with, nor had any memorable conversations. I've never met
Peter Strauss or Dave Sneddon.
Nonetheless, whether there was one, five, or six is irrelevent. It's
the host's tournament. His sole decision to invite or exclude. I
never considered pressure from these people, whether actual or
exaggerated, to be a significant factor in his decision. I just wanted
to know who they were.
And yes....it's too bad that the pettiness of RSG spilled over in real
life. Ironic, especially when you consider that the only person who
has behaved badly in a RSG tournament is Mark Koenig, at RSG-Atl, and
an earlier tournament at a restaurant. Yet he's a VIP at RSG-NW. This
was a contributing factor as to why my wife and I decided not to
attend prior to Scott's decision.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:52:39
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Herbert wrote:
>
> You do not seem like a nutcase to me. You had a beef with the
> C-listers and then the RSG/NW gang and you stood your ground each time.
> I'm sure you're not all peaches n' cream however - there are 6 people
> you previously met from RSG/NW that now refuse to golf with you. There
> must be some aspect to your character that some find most unpleasant,
> but I still can't imagine what would compel six grown men to burden The
> RSG/NW host with special requests to the dance-card.
Actually, without recalling exactly who the "six" were, three I had
met. Two I had played golf with. Unless someone tells me otherwise,
this had nothing to do with my behavior in any golf tournament. It's
simply that I offended the host in RSG by criticizing an aspect of his
tournament. A month later, I received an e-mail from him stating that
I was excluded, citing six people who refused to play with me.
> The intolerance within RSG has not often made the leap to real-life,
> and it's unfortunate you were the target. I understand how that has
> affected your online nature since, no big deal, but don't let that drag
> you down into the ditch.
Good advice.....thanks!
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 07:34:30
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bear wrote:
> On 8 Sep 2006 22:04:13 -0700, "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >MnMikew wrote:
> >> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> >> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> >> >> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> >> >> > telling these tales.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike
> >> >> you
> >> >> and your buttbuddy Dene.
> >> >
> >> > Mark and Mike should get a room.
> >> >
> >> Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
> >
> >And what is your mailing address pal. I need to send a tube of KY for
> >when you are done talking about Dene and I.
> >
>
> A used tube no doubt.
How would you know?
The Hammer
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:37:03
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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annika1980 wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just got done with the Super Series Labor Day Championship this weekend here
> > in AZ.
> > 1st place in 11U
> > Lil' glfnaz was tournament MVP.
>
> That's great news for Lil' glfnaz, but not so great news for all those
> kids playing for the teams that your All-Star team routinely
> slaughters.
>
> That's why golf is better than Little League. In golf, there are many
> life lessons to be learned like honesty and fair play. In Little
> League, it's all about holding up that big shiny trophy.
>
That's a foolish statement, coaches and parents can and do embrace fair
play and sportsmanship with kids at an elite level. That some do not
is no reason to discourage exceptional kids from excelling in their
sport at the highest level. I recall glfnaz was a pro ballplayer at
one time, right? In my experience parents that played sports at a
high-level are better able to help kids' cope with the pressures of
sports than the has-been parent who never was.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:17:42
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> The worst parents are the ones who never spend any time with their kids
> doing anything. Bored kids without interests are the delinquents of
> tomorrow. Beats me why parents have them.
I suspect some men lack that "big picture" view of child rearing once
they leave the tavern and find themselves sawing some chick's ass in
half.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 12:59:51
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene wrote:
> It's ironic about the "mental" stuff I get accused of. Last spring, I
> won full custody of my kids, which is not an easy thing for a father to
> win. I had to undergo a full battery of psychological testing and
> interviews from the best (most expensive) custody evaluator in Portland
> and I passed all with flying colors.
>
> Yet in here I'm a nutcase. Go figure. Regardless, I do need to
> insulate myself from the nonsense if I decide to stick around.
You do not seem like a nutcase to me. You had a beef with the
C-listers and then the RSG/NW gang and you stood your ground each time.
I'm sure you're not all peaches n' cream however - there are 6 people
you previously met from RSG/NW that now refuse to golf with you. There
must be some aspect to your character that some find most unpleasant,
but I still can't imagine what would compel six grown men to burden The
RSG/NW host with special requests to the dance-card.
The intolerance within RSG has not often made the leap to real-life,
and it's unfortunate you were the target. I understand how that has
affected your online nature since, no big deal, but don't let that drag
you down into the ditch.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 04:54:09
From: RoR
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 7 Sep 2006 12:59:51 -0700, "Herbert" <humphrey_Herbert@yahoo.com > wrote:
> there are 6 people
>you previously met from RSG/NW that now refuse to golf with you.
I wish to put this mistaken impression to rest.
I, for one, never said I "refused to play with" Greg. What I said was that I would rather
not be paired with him and/or his wife if at all possible.
I would have played with Greg, or his wife, I simply chose not to if it could be arranged
that way. Happily, it worked out to everyone's satisfaction, since Greg thinks we are all
not worth his time.
Hmmm, why then does he spend so much of it here?
New sig to follow:
--
As Greg might say,
\
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 20:50:50
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
RoR wrote:
> On 9 Sep 2006 01:17:25 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Rider....same story. And yet you have nothing to say about morality or
> >courage of these individuals blindsiding me.
>
> And just how was I to bring up your idiocy?
> "Gee, Greg, you seem to be pissing off quite a few more rsg'ers than usual, why is that?"
>
> Yeah, there is just no civil way to bring up things like that, especially in front of
> wives and friends.
You bring it up to my face or at least a private e-mail. That's what
men do.
> At least I have some civility.
Coward is a more accurate discriptor.
> Rick R
You still have yet to answer why you didn't want to play golf with my
wife.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:58:38
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157854985.856140.83140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > If Brad said he enjoyed shit and peanut butter on rye, you would
> > respond that you similarly enjoy such a diet and then would follow-up
> > with three recipes of your own.
>
> No wonder you wanted Brad to pay for breakfast.
Lets see...wasn't that 642 days ago....or 643.
I shall spend the rest of my night counting. Ah the simple life of a
french wannabe.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 12:30:49
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Herbert wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > The bottom line remains, despite anything else, that the true measure
> > of a single digit handicapper is that they can play to it! If I played
>
> The bottom line for this thread is the original post was suspect - high
> single digit players are nowhere near as good as low single digit
> players, and any such comparison is unfair. A 7 index should not be
> *expected* to break 80 on an any single round. The 7 definitely has
> the potential to break 80, but it would not be expected.
Admittedly, the "potential" aspect is something I learned from this
thread re. the handicap system. However, when I'm around the 10 range,
which I've been every summer except this, I always expect to break 80,
and "often" do.
> Handicaps based on non-competitive rounds mean shit anyway. "T" scores
> are the only ones that should count. Now if they original poster is
> questioning the 7s ability to "play" to his index in competitions,
> that's a valid stance to take against *any* golfer whose index is based
> primarily on social play.
Good point as usual. I wish you posted more here.
-Greg
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 12:13:55
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > The parents took a vote and sent a delegation asking Brad if he
> > wouldn't mind just watching the games on VHS at his home. He countered
> > with watching from the outfield, away from everyone. The deal was
> > done, and on a quiet night at the ball park you can hear the sobs of
> > "Ball my ass!" from right field.
>
> That was uncalled for, dude.
Surely you jest. W/ all of the insanity in this NG of recent past, my
light verbal sparring w/ Brad is mice nuts. I harken back to a poster
who said "lighten up"...maybe you know that guy?
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 11:59:57
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The_Professor wrote:
> The bottom line remains, despite anything else, that the true measure
> of a single digit handicapper is that they can play to it! If I played
The bottom line for this thread is the original post was suspect - high
single digit players are nowhere near as good as low single digit
players, and any such comparison is unfair. A 7 index should not be
*expected* to break 80 on an any single round. The 7 definitely has
the potential to break 80, but it would not be expected.
Handicaps based on non-competitive rounds mean shit anyway. "T" scores
are the only ones that should count. Now if they original poster is
questioning the 7s ability to "play" to his index in competitions,
that's a valid stance to take against *any* golfer whose index is based
primarily on social play.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 00:39:47
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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On 7 Sep 2006 11:59:57 -0700, "Herbert" <humphrey_Herbert@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Handicaps based on non-competitive rounds mean shit anyway. "T" scores
>are the only ones that should count.
There are huge differences between the way tournaments are run.
But most golfers in the U.S. don't play tournaments at all. I think
most do bet though.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:23:58
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The Hammer wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Tex wrote:
> > > Dene wrote:
> > > > Ironic, especially when you consider that the only person who
> > > > has behaved badly in a RSG tournament is Mark Koenig, at RSG-Atl, and
> > > > an earlier tournament at a restaurant.
> > >
> > > Cite factual proof/evidence.
> > >
> > > Tex
> > > p.s evidence is not one's "feelings", nor is the word of a single
> > > individual.
> >
> > You know exactly what I'm referring to. Cite your side of the story.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> We all have heard these stories about inappropriate and drunken
> behavior. In fact, whenever these stories were told, they were told by
> folks who are considered his friends and cronies, not his protagonists.
Really? CITE.
> Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> telling these tales.
Really? CITE.
> how sad that one needs to post all day and night and travel all over
> the country for years on end for validation. And some of those for
> whom he seeks validation are telling stories and laughing behind his
> back. And why shoudn't you laugh. The joke is good!
Really? CITE.
To steal a page from Douche Bag Dene.
Tex
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:22:29
From: Tex
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene wrote:
> Tex wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> > > Ironic, especially when you consider that the only person who
> > > has behaved badly in a RSG tournament is Mark Koenig, at RSG-Atl, and
> > > an earlier tournament at a restaurant.
> >
> > Cite factual proof/evidence.
> >
> > Tex
> > p.s evidence is not one's "feelings", nor is the word of a single
> > individual.
>
> You know exactly what I'm referring to. Cite your side of the story.
Doesn't work that way Greg....you are the challenger, CITE!
(ring a bell? dipshit)
Tex
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 09:14:51
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
MnMikew wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> > telling these tales.
> >
> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike you
> and your buttbuddy Dene.
Mark and Mike should get a room.
-Greg
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 11:22:43
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1157732090.886784.99710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
>> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
>> > telling these tales.
>> >
>> Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike
>> you
>> and your buttbuddy Dene.
>
> Mark and Mike should get a room.
>
Great, we can drink beer and talk about you two.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:05:40
From: larry
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Actually the true measure of a golfer able to play well enough to earn
a handicap below 10 is the ability to make a transition in his golf
swing (according to SLAP).
Statistically, most of you swing like this
http://www.megspace.com/sports/moetown/videos/ng_infom_amateur3.html
And most of you will never learn to get off your back foot-- thus you
are doomed to play "Army" golf, hitting it left, right, left, right.
If you swing hard enough you will be OB, in the hazard, OB, hazard,
treeline, rough, etc. always playing "recovery' golf. If you play
long enough and have some decent hand-eye coordination, you will
eventually learn to recover well and get up and down from
anyplace--knock on the door of single-digit ville, but it is still not
real golf until you can consistently hit it straight-- and that
requires the golfer to make a transition.
Larry
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 04:42:51
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
On 8-Sep-2006, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> Statistically, most of you swing like this
Statistics don't swing clubs your highness.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 08:00:44
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> How can you say Eric is "harmless but amusing"? He has access to sick
> patients relying on him for their life. We have watched his descent
> into madness. We have read his posts about how entire peoples should be
> killed. What if he decides to start exterminating those he deems guilty
> of some "Eric sin"? Many nurses go this route. Would you let this man
> within 100 yards of your loved ones?
Yes.
The sickest I've been in my life was in the presence of Eric and his
wife. They took excellent care of me.
-Greg
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 07:30:36
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
The_Professor wrote:
>
> In any event, I will probably be able to make it up to Ohio sometime
> next July. I don't want to play in RSG-Cincy though. Nothing against
> Pflum, but I don't need the drama from people who need a scapegoat to
> dump a lot of drama on to sooth the feelings induced by massive
> reduction in testosterone secretion and the accompanying physiological
> consequences of that, and some such people usually attend RSG-Cincy.
>
> Nonetheless, I would still be willing to play Dalecki in a 5 buck
> nassau sometime next July in Ohio, which is reasonably intermediate for
> the two of us, just to give him the chance to show everyone how
> braggadocious and what a phoney I am, and confirm what a great golfer
> he is. I'd prefer Cowlumbus, but the noble city of Cincinnati is more
> than worthy. No drama, just arrange a date and show up and play, which
> has always been my MO!
bump
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 04:05:11
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
On 8-Sep-2006, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
> bump
WTF? this is usenet not some web lounge!
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 07:00:53
From:
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Steve S wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > We all have heard these stories about inappropriate and drunken
> > behavior. In fact, whenever these stories were told, they were told by
> > folks who are considered his friends and cronies, not his protagonists.
> > Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> > over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> > telling these tales.
> >
> > how sad that one needs to post all day and night and travel all over
> > the country for years on end for validation. And some of those for
> > whom he seeks validation are telling stories and laughing behind his
> > back. And why shoudn't you laugh. The joke is good!
> >
> > The Hammer
> >
>
> It's funny, you remind me of my wife's aunt, the one they called the crazy
> aunt.
>. She was
> harmless but amusing.....sort of like you.
>
How can you say Eric is "harmless but amusing"? He has access to sick
patients relying on him for their life. We have watched his descent
into madness. We have read his posts about how entire peoples should be
killed. What if he decides to start exterminating those he deems guilty
of some "Eric sin"? Many nurses go this route. Would you let this man
within 100 yards of your loved ones?
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:06:13
From: Steve S
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
<bigoldcat2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157724053.250385.191890@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> How can you say Eric is "harmless but amusing"? He has access to sick
> patients relying on him for their life. We have watched his descent
> into madness. We have read his posts about how entire peoples should be
> killed. What if he decides to start exterminating those he deems guilty
> of some "Eric sin"? Many nurses go this route. Would you let this man
> within 100 yards of your loved ones?
>
You mean something like this?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/18/hospital.deaths/index.html .
According to Eric you can wish death on "entire peoples" but if you wish
death on one person on RSG you are a scrotal wart (BTW does compund W work
on that?)
Yeah, I would watch him yell at strangers while sipping my wine. I have
eccentric tastes in amusement.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 06:34:32
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Mike Dalecki wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Mike Dalecki wrote:
> >
> > <Pontifications ignored>
> >
> >>Two questions for you: When it was determined last May that there were,
> >>in fact, 6 people who indicated they wouldn't want to attend RSG-NW if
> >>you did, seems to me you said you'd leave RSG and never come back.
> >>
> >>Why are you back? And, what's your word worth, anyway?
> >>
> >>Mike
> >
> >
> > I answered these questions in August. A better question is how much
> > RSG is worth to me. Answer....very little, especially since I don't
> > make money off of it.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
>
> Well, since I don't read every post you write, perhaps you could explain
> it again. It must be a hell of an explanation, for you to say on the
> one hand you're leaving, and on the other hand, to be back.
>
> And if a better question is how much RSG is worth to you, one must
> question your sanity if you're back here posting despite what is an
> admission of its lack of value to you.
>
> The only thing I can figure is that this is the only place you can get
> any attention at all, sad as that may be.
>
> Mike
>
> --
And this is the only place where you can attention to your sig for some
club sales. Free advertsing, what a deal.
The Hammer
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 06:16:25
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Dene wrote:
> Tex wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> > > Ironic, especially when you consider that the only person who
> > > has behaved badly in a RSG tournament is Mark Koenig, at RSG-Atl, and
> > > an earlier tournament at a restaurant.
> >
> > Cite factual proof/evidence.
> >
> > Tex
> > p.s evidence is not one's "feelings", nor is the word of a single
> > individual.
>
> You know exactly what I'm referring to. Cite your side of the story.
>
> -Greg
We all have heard these stories about inappropriate and drunken
behavior. In fact, whenever these stories were told, they were told by
folks who are considered his friends and cronies, not his protagonists.
Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
telling these tales.
how sad that one needs to post all day and night and travel all over
the country for years on end for validation. And some of those for
whom he seeks validation are telling stories and laughing behind his
back. And why shoudn't you laugh. The joke is good!
The Hammer
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 09:28:27
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> telling these tales.
>
Tex probably has nads to not give a shit what other people think, unlike you
and your buttbuddy Dene.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 09:36:50
From: Steve S
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157721385.289382.132720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> We all have heard these stories about inappropriate and drunken
> behavior. In fact, whenever these stories were told, they were told by
> folks who are considered his friends and cronies, not his protagonists.
> Little does this shithead know that some of the guys he travels all
> over the country with to play golf are laughing behind his back and
> telling these tales.
>
> how sad that one needs to post all day and night and travel all over
> the country for years on end for validation. And some of those for
> whom he seeks validation are telling stories and laughing behind his
> back. And why shoudn't you laugh. The joke is good!
>
> The Hammer
>
It's funny, you remind me of my wife's aunt, the one they called the crazy
aunt. She would stand on her porch all day and yell at everyone who walked
by, sometimes she would tell the people that walked by that she knows their
dirty little secrets. She didn't even know them, but she didn't know that,
she firmly believed she did in fact know them. Sometimes she would yell at
them for pissing on her lawn, not that they did, but she was convinced they
did. In a nutshell (excuse the pun) she was either senile, schizophrenic or
just plain wacko. It was even funnier when she would yell at my wife
without even knowing it's her niece. My wife would tell her "I'm you neice,
don't you recognize me?" and her aunt would counter with "Don't try and pull
that shit with me. I'm onto your ways".
My wife lived across the street from her for a year while we were dating and
we would sit on her porch, drink some wine and laugh at her antics. She was
harmless but amusing.....sort of like you.
And now that I think about it, I see a bit of Dene in her too.
Carry on........Oh waiter, I'll have another glass on Pinot Grigio please.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 10:17:43
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157817208.240890.288020@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >You google back 10 years if you have to , when you need to prove a point.
>
> I do not have to go back 10 years, just 460 days ago...
>
>
> <snip>
> > A bunch of gossiping old ladies.
>
> From the post "Question about golf etiquette", July 6th, 2005 where you
> blasted Frostback: "OH, and one other thing.....You and yours made for some
> good group gossip and laughs after a few beers and margaritas."
>
> So, you abhor gossip, yet you brag about how you gossiped about Rob and his
> wife. Why did you engage in such behavior if it is so distasteful to you?
>
> Oh, though this is somewhat unrelated to your current rant, please explain
> to my why you believe that it is, in your opinion, perfectly acceptable to
> physically assault a middle-aged man simply because you felt he did a poor
> job of organizing a golf tournament: "Someone else would have probably
> decked your sorry ass on the pavement. And believe me, the ONLY reason I
> didn't was because I run a business and have a professional reputation to
> uphold"
>
>
> I know that I will not get direct, simple, answers to these questions, but I
> was ordered to write this post by the new head of the C-list, fiveiron.
Hammer's asserted that there are C-list members who...
1. Don't play golf
2. Use Google to dredge up long resolved issues
3. Gossip like a pack of gossiping old ladies
If there's any doubt, Colonville's post is all the proof you need. I
criticized longnleft for being a wannabe. He's milktoast compared to
this guy.
And yes...some Crony is undoubtably going to react by telling the world
about Colonville's medical condition, and yet that doesn't seem to have
any effect on his writing ability or character.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:41:45
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan wrote:
>> "The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157817208.240890.288020@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >You google back 10 years if you have to , when you need to prove a point.
>>
>> I do not have to go back 10 years, just 460 days ago...
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>> > A bunch of gossiping old ladies.
>>
>> From the post "Question about golf etiquette", July 6th, 2005 where you
>> blasted Frostback: "OH, and one other thing.....You and yours made for some
>> good group gossip and laughs after a few beers and margaritas."
>>
>> So, you abhor gossip, yet you brag about how you gossiped about Rob and his
>> wife. Why did you engage in such behavior if it is so distasteful to you?
>>
>> Oh, though this is somewhat unrelated to your current rant, please explain
>> to my why you believe that it is, in your opinion, perfectly acceptable to
>> physically assault a middle-aged man simply because you felt he did a poor
>> job of organizing a golf tournament: "Someone else would have probably
>> decked your sorry ass on the pavement. And believe me, the ONLY reason I
>> didn't was because I run a business and have a professional reputation to
>> uphold"
>>
>>
>> I know that I will not get direct, simple, answers to these questions, but I
>> was ordered to write this post by the new head of the C-list, fiveiron.
>
> Hammer's asserted that there are C-list members who...
>
> 1. Don't play golf
> 2. Use Google to dredge up long resolved issues
> 3. Gossip like a pack of gossiping old ladies
>
> If there's any doubt, Colonville's post is all the proof you need.
The facts really get your goat, don't they? That's all Alan
has done here: repost Eric's own words. And you react like
this. Telling.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 08:53:28
From: The Hammer
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> newellsatwsu <newellatwsu@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> [To Dene]
>
> > Your inability to shake off your grudges against some RSGNW
> > participants and false critiques of them pushed me to the point of
> > making that decision as host.
>
> I hesitated to jump into this thread because we've been over
> this so many times before, and nobody has any real use for
> further he-said/she-said bs, but Scott touched on something
> fundamental to this story here that deserves some emphasis.
> And that would be "inability to shake off your grudges."
>
> Just about everybody who participates on Usenet ends up in
> a few flamewars; they're a part of the culture. Most people
> get over them. Some refuse ever to let them die. Greg lives
> in the second category, and that's a big reason why this
> general animus exists towards him, IMO: "oh boy, here he
> goes flaming Dalecki out of left field again." At some point,
> a willingness to let bygones be bygones becomes an essential
> social skill lest one become a complete bore, but Greg carries
> every perceived slight prominently on his sleeve and makes
> damn sure that everyone sees them.
>
> Finally, it becomes nearly impossible to differentiate this
> refusal to move on from obsession, which is why I coined the
> leg humping metaphor to describe it. Is there some other
> reason to constantly seek the grills of people you dislike
> other than to win their attention? Maybe, but I can't figure
> out what it is.
>
> Truthfully, I still don't think Greg's a bad guy, but this
> weakness of his drives him to some very ugly behavior, and
> in the end it usually doesn't matter whether the bad actor
> a good guy with issues or just an evil prick -- the damage
> done to everybody else is the same. There's just some hope
> that the good guy eventually figures it out and comes around,
> that's the only difference.
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
What a bunch of sanctimonious horsecrap. My only issue now is should I
puke now or later.
you and your ilk are the biggest tresspassers, when it comes to not
letting things go. You google back 10 years if you have to , when you
need to prove a point. Like who the hell cares!
You have guys like Tex that go around and tear apart folks wives, and
no outrage. If Dene said that about one of your wives, there would be
a 200 post thread expressing outrage and everything he said in the last
10 years would be googled.
Knight routinely tells folks to "F-ck off", nothing said. If I say it
or Dene says it, the drauma unfolds.
There are two sets of standards here for permissible behavior. The
cronies get away with crap like knocking down wives of others and
telling others to "F-ck off", because they have numbers and an email
network that mobilizes quickly. A bunch of gossiping old ladies. You
guys need each other. You are no better than a cult. It pisses you
all off that we see it and have no need for a crony network and to
receive constant validation from others, publicly and privately.
Cut the shit, you guys love all this flaming. You love the drauma.
You love digging up dirt and watching the cronies in a very coordinated
fashion retailiate. And frankly, there are those of us that enjoy
watching you do it. Because, you'all take it so seriously, it becomes
comic relief for us who frankly don't care about all this crony crap.
We don't care what you say, we don't care how many of you say it. It
becomes hysterical though watching you all come out at once in such a
coordinated manner. All the power to you if this gives meaning to your
lives. May the crony network live and prosper for many more years.
the Hammer
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:26:40
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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The Hammer <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote:
> You have guys like Tex
<snip >
Who has guys like Tex?
It's amusing to me how quickly you lump "everybody who is mean
to me" into a single monolithic entity. It speaks volumes about
your psychological state.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 16:44:03
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
"The Hammer" <buggertt@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157817208.240890.288020@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>You google back 10 years if you have to , when you need to prove a point.
I do not have to go back 10 years, just 460 days ago...
<snip >
> A bunch of gossiping old ladies.
From the post "Question about golf etiquette", July 6th, 2005 where you
blasted Frostback: "OH, and one other thing.....You and yours made for some
good group gossip and laughs after a few beers and margaritas."
So, you abhor gossip, yet you brag about how you gossiped about Rob and his
wife. Why did you engage in such behavior if it is so distasteful to you?
Oh, though this is somewhat unrelated to your current rant, please explain
to my why you believe that it is, in your opinion, perfectly acceptable to
physically assault a middle-aged man simply because you felt he did a poor
job of organizing a golf tournament: "Someone else would have probably
decked your sorry ass on the pavement. And believe me, the ONLY reason I
didn't was because I run a business and have a professional reputation to
uphold"
I know that I will not get direct, simple, answers to these questions, but I
was ordered to write this post by the new head of the C-list, fiveiron.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 15:16:25
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Greg:
You need to let this go. You'll never make it trying to be punch in a turd
bowl!
;^)
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 01:23:30
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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I'll give your analysis the weight it's due.
-Greg
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> newellsatwsu <newellatwsu@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> [To Dene]
>
> > Your inability to shake off your grudges against some RSGNW
> > participants and false critiques of them pushed me to the point of
> > making that decision as host.
>
> I hesitated to jump into this thread because we've been over
> this so many times before, and nobody has any real use for
> further he-said/she-said bs, but Scott touched on something
> fundamental to this story here that deserves some emphasis.
> And that would be "inability to shake off your grudges."
>
> Just about everybody who participates on Usenet ends up in
> a few flamewars; they're a part of the culture. Most people
> get over them. Some refuse ever to let them die. Greg lives
> in the second category, and that's a big reason why this
> general animus exists towards him, IMO: "oh boy, here he
> goes flaming Dalecki out of left field again." At some point,
> a willingness to let bygones be bygones becomes an essential
> social skill lest one become a complete bore, but Greg carries
> every perceived slight prominently on his sleeve and makes
> damn sure that everyone sees them.
>
> Finally, it becomes nearly impossible to differentiate this
> refusal to move on from obsession, which is why I coined the
> leg humping metaphor to describe it. Is there some other
> reason to constantly seek the grills of people you dislike
> other than to win their attention? Maybe, but I can't figure
> out what it is.
>
> Truthfully, I still don't think Greg's a bad guy, but this
> weakness of his drives him to some very ugly behavior, and
> in the end it usually doesn't matter whether the bad actor
> a good guy with issues or just an evil prick -- the damage
> done to everybody else is the same. There's just some hope
> that the good guy eventually figures it out and comes around,
> that's the only difference.
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 01:17:25
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> > newellsatwsu wrote:
Scott wrote.... "I'm also saying that you made my life as host
miserable...and I removed
that common denominator. You can count me as #7."
Greg responded...."I wish you could have seen the smile on my face when
I read your last statement."
And now Chris writes....
> Are you admitting that you take joy in the misery of others?
Read what I wrote carefully, please. Scott's last statement was, "You
can count me as #7" to which I smiled. (if I can't remember number
six, why does it matter to me that he's declaring himself as #7?)
It's also worth noting that Scott's 1st complaint to me as a host came
when he e-mailed me that I was excluded. Prior to that, silence. And
it wasn't like he didn't have opportunities. We spent 4 hours
together, playing golf the previous summer, at his home course in
Lewiston. We talked about all kinds of things. Not one word about the
Koenig/Pitts challenge, not one word about "babysitting" me, not one
word about his life as a host.
Rider....same story. And yet you have nothing to say about morality or
courage of these individuals blindsiding me.
> > You act as though your two bit tournament is a monumental
> > event.
>
> Have you organized a tournament, ever? It's a helluva lot of work.
> It's very easy and maybe trivial to *attend*, but maybe you should
> try seeing it from the other person's view.
I don't dispute that. What I was trying to say is that his tournament
is not, nor ever has been, a monumental event in my life. It's one of
several I've attended and will attend.
And yes....I've organized more detailed events. Two building projects
with teenagers and adults to 3rd world countries. Try being
responsible for 25 people, getting them through customs, to
who-knows-what on the other side of the border.
> I think this is one of the most revealing paragraphs, and
> unflattering, that you've ever written.
I think you need to discern the entire context before you jump on your
high horse.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:29:55
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>> > newellsatwsu wrote:
>
> Scott wrote.... "I'm also saying that you made my life as host
> miserable...and I removed
> that common denominator. You can count me as #7."
>
> Greg responded...."I wish you could have seen the smile on my face when
> I read your last statement."
I read that as, "I smiled when I read how miserable I made your
life." Apologies if I misread it.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 03:29:00
From: RoR
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
On 9 Sep 2006 01:17:25 -0700, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>Rider....same story. And yet you have nothing to say about morality or
>courage of these individuals blindsiding me.
And just how was I to bring up your idiocy?
"Gee, Greg, you seem to be pissing off quite a few more rsg'ers than usual, why is that?"
Yeah, there is just no civil way to bring up things like that, especially in front of
wives and friends.
At least I have some civility.
Rick R
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 10:57:45
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > Hammer's asserted that there are C-list members who...
> >
> > 1. Don't play golf
> > 2. Use Google to dredge up long resolved issues
> > 3. Gossip like a pack of gossiping old ladies
> >
> > If there's any doubt, Colonville's post is all the proof you need.
>
> The facts really get your goat, don't they? That's all Alan
> has done here: repost Eric's own words. And you react like
> this. Telling.
It's inane and you know it. The "telling" aspect is that you refuse to
criticize a fellow crony about it while getting on your high horse and
offering me advice.
FTR, I appreciate advice....from GDI's.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:22:30
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> > Hammer's asserted that there are C-list members who...
>> >
>> > 1. Don't play golf
>> > 2. Use Google to dredge up long resolved issues
>> > 3. Gossip like a pack of gossiping old ladies
>> >
>> > If there's any doubt, Colonville's post is all the proof you need.
>>
>> The facts really get your goat, don't they? That's all Alan
>> has done here: repost Eric's own words. And you react like
>> this. Telling.
>
> It's inane and you know it. The "telling" aspect is that you refuse to
> criticize a fellow crony about it while getting on your high horse and
> offering me advice.
What's to criticize? He's the absolute best I've seen at
using Google to expose hypocrites and liars for being
hypocrites and liars. And he's smart enough to do very
little editorializing of his own. So, seriously, what's
to criticize?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:58:32
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> What's to criticize? He's the absolute best I've seen at
> using Google to expose hypocrites and liars for being
> hypocrites and liars. And he's smart enough to do very
> little editorializing of his own. So, seriously, what's
> to criticize?
C'mon Chrissy. Charbonneau is is as "old hen" as the get around here.
Consider this recdent post"
"From the post "Question about golf etiquette", July 6th, 2005 where you
blasted Frostback: "OH, and one other thing.....You and yours made for some
good group gossip and laughs after a few beers and margaritas."
So, you abhor gossip, yet you brag about how you gossiped about Rob and his
wife. Why did you engage in such behavior if it is so distasteful to you?
Oh, though this is somewhat unrelated to your current rant, please explain
to my why you believe that it is, in your opinion, perfectly acceptable to
physically assault a middle-aged man simply because you felt he did a poor
job of organizing a golf tournament: "Someone else would have probably
decked your sorry ass on the pavement. And believe me, the ONLY reason I
didn't was because I run a business and have a professional reputation to
uphold"
I know that I will not get direct, simple, answers to these questions, but I
was ordered to write this post by the new head of the C-list, fiveiron."
172 words, of which 59 were quoted, and one of the quoted phrases contained a
deletion. 34% quote; 66% editorial comment. I love the "questions"! Talk
about looking for recognition!
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 00:20:15
From: pete z
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:22:28 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:18:14 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> >
> >>> At my club, the really good golfers play straight up
> >
> >Pure BS. Your club like all clubs has fewer than a dozen guys with
> >scratch or + handicaps. And even so when they play each other for
> >serious money, they give or take strokes.
> >
> >Larry
>
> What kind of thinking is that? You have to be a scratch or + handicap
> to play straight up, without shots? We have a group of 15-20 that
> play twice weekly, ranging from 10-20 handicap, and many of them
> play without strokes. It would be silly for the 10 to play the 20
> even, but there are several that are 5 to 6 strokes apart in handicap
> that play straight up...stroke play. As for serious money, I know 7
> that match cards on weekends for $5 a hole, plus $5 front, $5 back,
> and $10 overall (stroke play). that's $105 per match at risk. This is
> in addition to the $2 bets, and $5 team bets with the rest of the
> group. All in all, if one took total gas for a weekend it could run
> into 4 figures. Then there are the $25 nassau bettors.
>
>
>
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 08:24:16
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
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pete z wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > jeffc wrote:
> > > "dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1157220306.117998.190660@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Larry Bud wrote:
> > > >> > A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index,
> > > >> > or a
> > > >> > 12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, it does affect it, as it throws out a potential top 10
> > > >> differential.
> > > >
> > > > As does a score ranked #11 in your set list.
> > >
> > > Yeah, a "potential top 10", which is why I said "normally". In other words,
> > > more often than not, the score is ignored.
> >
> > Well, no, statistically it would knock one of the top 10 of the last 20
> > out 50% of the time.
>
>
> Bull. Where did you study math?
Bull? The handicap system is calculated using your best 10 out of your
LAST 20 differentials. The odds of a differential which is used in the
calculation being tossed out is 10 in 20, hence 50%.
This isn't brain surgery.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 08:10:02
From: pete z
Subject: Re: The true measure of a single digit hdcp
|
Larry Bud wrote:
> jeffc wrote:
> > "dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157220306.117998.190660@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Larry Bud wrote:
> > >> > A score of 90 normally does nothing at all to a 7.0 index, a 1.0 index,
> > >> > or a
> > >> > 12.0 index, let alone "wreaking havoc".
> > >>
> > >> Well, it does affect it, as it throws out a potential top 10
> > >> differential.
> > >
> > > As does a score ranked #11 in your set list.
> >
> > Yeah, a "potential top 10", which is why I said "normally". In other words,
> > more often than not, the score is ignored.
>
> Well, no, statistically it would knock one of the top 10 of the last 20
> out 50% of the time.
Bull. Where did you study math?
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