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Date: 28 Sep 2006 07:14:35
From: Fairway
Subject: The real final point
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A friend sent me this:
Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 10:34:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The real final point
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On 28 Sep 2006 07:14:35 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
>suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
>Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
>to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
>was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
While I don't think that this should be needed to make the cup more
even, I like it because I think Canadian golfers should have an
opportunity to play in such events.
Do golfers from South America, Central America, & Mexico have similar
opportunities?
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 13:41:10
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: The real final point
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:34:09 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:
>On 28 Sep 2006 07:14:35 -0700, "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
>>suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
>>Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
>>to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
>>was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>
>While I don't think that this should be needed to make the cup more
>even, I like it because I think Canadian golfers should have an
>opportunity to play in such events.
>
>Do golfers from South America, Central America, & Mexico have similar
>opportunities?
Yes -- It's called the President's Cup.
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jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com/files/OH_2006_make_a_putt.avi
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 13:01:28
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The real final point
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:41:10 -0400, John van der Pflum
<jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
>>Do golfers from South America, Central America, & Mexico have similar
>>opportunities?
>
>Yes -- It's called the President's Cup.
I wasn't sure - I don't remember any players from the Americas playing
for the world team. Which doesn't mean they don't exist.
So Weir and Cabrera can play with the Africans, Aussies, Japanese, &
Fijians. I can see that changes may be called for in the future.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 17:25:11
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: The real final point
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In article <1159452875.542719.199570@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
arminsson@yahoo.com says...
> A friend sent me this:
>
> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>
At least Sandy hasn't lost his sense of humour, even if he lost his game
long time ago (sadly).
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Howard
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 07:45:58
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The real final point
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Fairway wrote:
> A friend sent me this:
>
> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>
you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 11:51:53
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: The real final point
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:45:58 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com >
wrote:
>Fairway wrote:
>> A friend sent me this:
>>
>> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
>> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
>> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
>> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
>> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>>
>
>you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
Is it inaccurate?
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jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com/files/OH_2006_make_a_putt.avi
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 11:37:46
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The real final point
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:45:58 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Fairway wrote:
>>> A friend sent me this:
>>>
>>> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
>>> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
>>> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
>>> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
>>> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>>>
>> you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
>
> Is it inaccurate?
IMO, extremely accurate...but still the kind of statement that might
fire up the US team...uh, wait, never mind...they're playing for free
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 22:53:05
From:
Subject: Re: The real final point
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:45:58 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com >
wrote:
>Fairway wrote:
>> A friend sent me this:
>>
>> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
>> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
>> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
>> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
>> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>>
>
>you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
And it won't make one iota of difference.
Craig
"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 21:42:57
From: long&left
Subject: Re: The real final point
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zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:45:58 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Fairway wrote:
>>> A friend sent me this:
>>>
>>> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
>>> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
>>> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
>>> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
>>> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>>>
>> you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
>
> And it won't make one iota of difference.
>
yer absolutely correct, but it makes for good press, which is ALL that
the RC is all about...
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 07:13:19
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: The real final point
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In article <fv1Tg.95$UB2.34@newsfe04.lga >,
long&left <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote:
> zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:45:58 -0700, long&left <nospam@diespammers.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Fairway wrote:
> >>> A friend sent me this:
> >>>
> >>> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
> >>> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
> >>> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
> >>> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
> >>> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
> >>>
> >> you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
> >
> > And it won't make one iota of difference.
> >
>
> yer absolutely correct, but it makes for good press, which is ALL that
> the RC is all about...
Exactly, that type of team golf is just no fun at all to watch. No
atmosphere, no energy, no excitement, no passion.
Better take a no doze.
William Clark
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 12:36:06
From: Mister Hand
Subject: Re: The real final point
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long&left wrote:
> Fairway wrote:
> > A friend sent me this:
> >
> > Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
> > suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
> > Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
> > to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
> > was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
> >
>
> you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
Weir and Ames in '08!
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 17:14:14
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: The real final point
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"Mister Hand" <mister-hand@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159472166.195816.194980@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> long&left wrote:
>> Fairway wrote:
>> > A friend sent me this:
>> >
>> > Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
>> > suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
>> > Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
>> > to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
>> > was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>> >
>>
>> you can bet that quote will be on the bulletin board in '08!
>
> Weir and Ames in '08!
>
I think we might need Australia too....
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 04:27:37
From: Tony
Subject: Re: The real final point
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Fairway wrote:
> A friend sent me this:
>
> Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
> suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
> Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
> to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
> was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
I suppose this point has been made before: the RC format is match play,
which really doesn't isolate the best all around stoke play consistant
golfers. 72 hole scores address consistancy, where the winner need not
have the best score of any of the 4 rounds. It's not that often the
first round leader (unless his name is Woods) is the leader after 4
rounds. Match play at the highest level is a kind of Russian Roulette
with golf balls.
Phil when he was younger used to be streaky, I'd have thought he'd do
better in match play than he has. After all, in a match, a blown hole
only loses that hole.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 10:44:22
From:
Subject: Re: The real final point
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In article <1159529257.043185.36550@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"Tony" <ajw27703@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Fairway wrote:
> > A friend sent me this:
> >
> > Sandy Lyle's tongue happened to be nowhere near his cheek when he
> > suggested yesterday that Europe should be handicapped in future Ryder
> > Cups and that maybe America could be allowed to pick Canadians as well
> > to ensure the matches are more even. Ian Woosnam's assistant captain
> > was deadly serious. And that just about sums it all up.
>
> I suppose this point has been made before: the RC format is match play,
> which really doesn't isolate the best all around stoke play consistant
> golfers. 72 hole scores address consistancy, where the winner need not
> have the best score of any of the 4 rounds. It's not that often the
> first round leader (unless his name is Woods) is the leader after 4
> rounds. Match play at the highest level is a kind of Russian Roulette
> with golf balls.
Match play may not even indicate who had the best overall round. Here
is an example where players score Par 3s and Par 5s much differently.
Obviously just a hypothetical to illustrate the issue.
Hole Par Player 1 score Player 2 score Match Play
1 4 4 4 All square
2 3 2 3 P1 1-up
3 5 5 3 All square
4 4 4 4 All square
5 4 4 4 All square
6 5 5 3 P2 1-up
7 4 4 4 P2 1-up
8 4 4 4 P2 1-up
9 3 2 3 All square
10 4 4 4 All square
11 4 4 4 All square
12 5 5 3 P2 1-up
13 3 2 3 All square
14 4 4 4 All square
15 3 2 3 P1 1-up
16 4 4 4 P1 1-up
17 5 5 3 All square
18 4 4 4 All square
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Strokes 72 68 64 All square
So bigger hitting player 2 scores on the Par 5s and player 1 scores on
the Par 3s. Player 2 wins stroke play with a good margin, but match
play is all square. Even eagling only Par 5 makes a difference compared
to the match play result.
Who had the better round? Which is the better indicator?
Why not have Ryder cup points with some dependence on stroke play as
well?
B. Martin
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 21:54:23
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: The real final point
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On 29 Sep 2006 04:27:37 -0700, "Tony" <ajw27703@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Phil when he was younger used to be streaky, I'd have thought he'd do
>better in match play than he has. After all, in a match, a blown hole
>only loses that hole.
Me too. But lately he has shut down his game this late in the year.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 11:24:58
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: The real final point
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marti285@umn.edu wrote:
> Why not have Ryder cup points with some dependence on stroke play as
> well?
Match play is the real thing. Man against man. There used to be a
stroke play contest, World Championship of golf or something like that,
two players from every nation. Rather boring to watch. No drama. Might
be the same as the following but not sure(found it on google):
The International Federation of PGA Tours has announced that the
Caribbean Island of Barbados will host the 2006 World Golf
Championships-World Cup. The Country Club Course at the Sandy Lane
Resort in St. James, Barbados will serve as the host competitive venue
for this global championship.
A total of 24 nations, including the host country, will participate in
this prestigious event, which will be known as the World Golf
Championships-Barbados World Cup, from Dec. 4-10, 2006, with a minimum
purse of U.S. $4,000,000.
F
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