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Date: 25 Oct 2006 15:01:41
From: Vincent
Subject: The Golf Machine
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This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there any
turorials for this system? :-)
Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
Hong Kong
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 10:54:52
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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If you are struggling with the book go to lynnblakegolf.com. I agree,
it is THE BEST GOLF SITE I have ever seen. Yoda is great. He truly
understands the entire book. You can ask questions and get good
answers from people (even many Authorized Instructors) who have been
studying the book for a long time. Make sure you go to the archives
when you get stuck at a certain part of the book. The video section at
lynnblakegolf.com is amazing. The videos have helped me so much. Make
sure you go through the book in the order that Homer tells you to read
it.
I would be no where near the level I have reached without that website.
Sometimes I will make giant improvements in a very short amount of
time. Other times it takes more time. Everything Yoda says is like an
extension of the book. He actually learned from Homer Kelley
personally.
some advise: pay attention to the Star system triad. Apply this system
to Stage 1, Stage 2, and Stage 3....Basic, acquired, and total motion.
Pay special attention to basic motion, it is critical. Focus on the
major concepts: especially the flying wedges, they are critical.
I would be happy to help you with any of your questions, post them
here. If they are over my head then we can post at yoda's forum. I
have developed a fair degree of understanding of TGM. It is actually
wierd being on the golf course sometimes and watching people
swing....or at least try to. I can see if somebody is standing at the
ball correctly or not. And I am beginning to see swing flaws. I used
to read alot of the posts here from David Laville before I found yoda's
site. After spending like 2 months reading alot of stuff, I come back
here and realize most people here do not know the difference between
hitting and swinging.
The Golfing Maching contains all the information anybody needs to
effectively strike a golf ball. For me, it is G.O.L.F for life.
Booker Little wrote:
> "Vincent" <albatrossGolfer@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45427c1a.19980437@news.netvigator.com...
> > This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there any
> > turorials for this system? :-)
> >
> > Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
> > Hong Kong
> >
> Go here. The best golf site I have found.
> http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:37:10
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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Vincent wrote:
> This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there any
> turorials for this system? :-)
>
> Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
> Hong Kong
Back in 2001 I was studying the book and, like you, found it hard to
understand. But David Laville, who is a certified TGM instructor,
helped me out with it via email. He gave me permission to post our
emails to RSG, which I did.
If you search google from Jan 1, 2001 to about May 30, 2001, searching
on Dalecki and Laville together, you'll find a number of threads on it
(IIRC, I did something like 10 separate threads). It's almost all a Q&A
type of format, based on specific numbered sections of the book.
Here's a link to one of them:
http://tinyurl.com/yfy5jn
You can find the other ones by simply searching during that time block;
I think the first one was posted about the 18th of January, and it
wasn't, initially, identified by "thread" number, but you should be able
to find them.
Mike
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:47:09
From: Vincent
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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On Wed, 25 2006 11:37:10 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@clubdor.com >
wrote:
>Vincent wrote:
>> This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there
any
>> turorials for this system? :-)
>>
>> Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
>> Hong Kong
>
>Back in 2001 I was studying the book and, like you, found it hard to
>understand. But David Laville, who is a certified TGM instructor,
>helped me out with it via email. He gave me permission to post our
>emails to RSG, which I did.
>
>If you search google from Jan 1, 2001 to about May 30, 2001,
searching
>on Dalecki and Laville together, you'll find a number of threads on
it
>(IIRC, I did something like 10 separate threads). It's almost all a
Q&A
>type of format, based on specific numbered sections of the book.
>
>Here's a link to one of them:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yfy5jn
>
>You can find the other ones by simply searching during that time
block;
>I think the first one was posted about the 18th of January, and it
>wasn't, initially, identified by "thread" number, but you should be
able
>to find them.
>
>Mike
Thanks, Mike. I'll study your post as I struggle along.
Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
Hong Kong
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 08:27:18
From: Booker Little
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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"Vincent" <albatrossGolfer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:45427c1a.19980437@news.netvigator.com...
> This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there any
> turorials for this system? :-)
>
> Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
> Hong Kong
>
Go here. The best golf site I have found.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:43:34
From: Vincent
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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On Wed, 25 2006 08:27:18 -0700, "Booker Little"
<bookerlives@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>"Vincent" <albatrossGolfer@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45427c1a.19980437@news.netvigator.com...
>> This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there
any
>> turorials for this system? :-)
>>
>> Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
>> Hong Kong
>>
>Go here. The best golf site I have found.
>http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/
>
>
Thanks, I'll take a good look.
Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
Hong Kong
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 08:16:38
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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"Vincent" <albatrossGolfer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:45427c1a.19980437@news.netvigator.com...
> This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there any
> turorials for this system? :-)
>
> Vincent 'Seahawk' Chui
> Hong Kong
In the Preface to the Book, Homer tells the reader how to read it, and in
what order.
Stick with that .
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 08:12:38
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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Vincent wrote:
> This book is tough to understand. I'm stalling already. Are there any
> turorials for this system? :-)
>
Forget it. It's all crap.
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 19:27:24
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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KnighT wrote:
> If you are struggling with the book go to lynnblakegolf.com. I agree,
> it is THE BEST GOLF SITE I have ever seen. Yoda is great. He truly
> understands the entire book. You can ask questions and get good
> answers from people (even many Authorized Instructors) who have been
> studying the book for a long time. Make sure you go to the archives
> when you get stuck at a certain part of the book. The video section at
> lynnblakegolf.com is amazing. The videos have helped me so much. Make
> sure you go through the book in the order that Homer tells you to read
> it.
>
> I would be no where near the level I have reached without that website.
> Sometimes I will make giant improvements in a very short amount of
> time. Other times it takes more time. Everything Yoda says is like an
> extension of the book. He actually learned from Homer Kelley
> personally.
>
> some advise: pay attention to the Star system triad. Apply this system
> to Stage 1, Stage 2, and Stage 3....Basic, acquired, and total motion.
> Pay special attention to basic motion, it is critical. Focus on the
> major concepts: especially the flying wedges, they are critical.
>
> I would be happy to help you with any of your questions, post them
> here. If they are over my head then we can post at yoda's forum. I
> have developed a fair degree of understanding of TGM. It is actually
> wierd being on the golf course sometimes and watching people
> swing....or at least try to. I can see if somebody is standing at the
> ball correctly or not. And I am beginning to see swing flaws. I used
> to read alot of the posts here from David Laville before I found yoda's
> site. After spending like 2 months reading alot of stuff, I come back
> here and realize most people here do not know the difference between
> hitting and swinging.
>
> The Golfing Maching contains all the information anybody needs to
> effectively strike a golf ball. For me, it is G.O.L.F for life.
I have some questions. What was your golf game like before and after
TGM via Lyn Blake? Secondly, what specific element(s) did you adopt to
your swing?
I'm familiar with Blake's site. One thing it lacks is Laville's gift
of translating TGM into the language of the everyday Joe. To read
Blake, one has to have the Book handy.....which I find annoying.
-Greg
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:26:59
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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>I have some questions. What was your golf game like before and after
>TGM via Lyn Blake? Secondly, what specific element(s) did you adopt to
>your swing?
>I'm familiar with Blake's site. One thing it lacks is Laville's gift
>of translating TGM into the language of the everyday Joe. To read
>Blake, one has to have the Book handy.....which I find annoying.
>-Greg
Before the golfing machine I had no idea what I was doing with the golf
club in my swing. Now I know what I want to do and I am beginning to
actually do it because I understand (There are only 12 sections....they
must be learned, differentiated, and overlapped to produce an
uncomprimised stroke).
I can tell you why I began to study The Golfing Machine. I attended a
1 day seminar at a local course here (Summer of '05) with somebody I
just found out was in the top 50 teachers list from one of those
magazines. It has been a great journey since that day. The man was
Michael Hebron, and he opened my eyes to a golf swing based on the laws
of force and motion. He taught me about compression, which is
something I never knew even happened. He taught me about a forward
leaning clubshaft. 2 very important ideas. He proved to me that he
understood the golf swing....without even trying. One time, he pointed
at a tree about 120 yards away. He addressed the ball and knocked it
right off the tree. I realized this man was on another level of ball
striking that I have ever seen. It actually was David Laville who told
me through a post here on RSG that Michael Hebron was an autorized
instructor, and much of his information came from TGM. So, I bought
the book. I read it. Now I study it, and use the help of ALL the
videos and posts from lynnblakegolf.com and I am beginning to really
apply it to the golf club.
Before lynnBlakeGolf.com I read TGM (most of it) but I had trouble
focusing on, understanding, and applying the main concepts. After I
found the site I used it to help me with the main ideas from the book
that I thought/think are the most important. I think the first thing I
really focused on, and thought alot about was The Flying Wedges(I think
my first post was 'Why are they called Flying Wedges?'. I still work
on my wedges. I think that is the core idea behind the whole book.
Get them and you can do anything you want with a golf club. Another
idea that must comply with the flying wedges is extensor action. This
is becoming a very good habit during my swing. "Extensor action
provides an indespensible control to all strokes." In the past few
days I have really started to get into chapter 6, which is one of the
best chapters in the book. Lately I have been finding the delivery
line, and directing all motion down the delivery line toward the
straight plane line. As well as tracing the straight plane line with
pressure point #3 and the right forearm.
Direct results have been more distance. Alot more distance. I always
hit my irons similar distance and trajectory. My dad would use a 7
iron, and I would need a 5. Now I can crank up the 7 if I need, or
swing a nice easy 6. I have gained 25-30 yards with every club.
Trajectory is better. Direction is better. Distance is much better,
and I am only scratching the surface of chapter 6. Chapter 6 = Power =
Distance.
The best advice I can give is to follow the star system triad in the
preface. Always apply the 3 imperatives, across the 3 stations
(address, top, finish) in a single motion. Go to chapter 12 and do A
LOT of basic motion chip shots. Then do acquired motion. Then total
motion. I mean weeks of each before moving on to the next stage.
Basic motion is critical. Do not ignore it. It is the gateway to good
golf.
I find Yoda's posts to be very clear and detailed. His posts are like
a supplemant to the book. First try to understand one part from the
book as best you can by thinking about it, then training with stage 1
chip shots. I suggest you start with the flying wedges. Keep
thinking, keep rereading, then go to yoda's forum and start at the
archives. Read every post you can find about that one idea, or
chapter, or paragraph that you can find (7-3 last paragraph is
'magical'). Then keep at it. Another one to focus on is the law of
the flail. I just found this one out, and it is amazing. Once you get
something, everything else is different.
Use the pressure points in your hands to hit the ball....not the
clubhead. This is the basis of the desirable hands controlled pivot
(5-0 Educated hands). The mechanical checklist for all strokes (12-3,
I think) tells you everything you need to build a precise golf swing.
It's all about G.O.L.F
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 08:12:54
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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I do not think Mike Hebron is active with the golfing machine anymore.
It was only through this forum that I was told by David Laville, and
one other person who said he was a GSED. That really caught my
attention. During the seminar that day he never spoke about TGM. He
gave everybody a copy of 'Inside moves the outside' and I still read it
to this day. I know that book pretty well, and it is actually
beginning to apply to my swing. I am able to use my motion to generate
more force and acceloration than I ever have before....and I know what
I am doing, so I can do it repeatidy. I am finding the consistency
that I always thought was impossible to find with a golf club. I mean,
I was really poor. It was like a 25% chance that I would even make
solid contact, and then it would probably go right if I really caught
it. I needed to swing very slow and easy to hit it straight.
To answer your question about his books, 'inside moves the outside'
makes no reference to The Golfing Machine. It is alot like his
interpretation of the most important ideas from the book. It is very
very good. Great pictures of Ben Hogan. Afterall, Homer Kelley did
use Hogan as his original model for the book (I think). Hogan
understood, but he figured it all out on his own....just trial and
error. We are luck enough to have it all spelled out for us in one
book. Hebron explains and shows (with good pics and illustrations) the
physics used in the golf swing. It also is his main swing philosophy:
The inside moves the outside. The more I understand TGM the more this
idea makes sense and helps me move the golf club. Just last week It
just came to me and I said to myself "Wow, the inside DOES more the
outside." It is very cool when things start to come together.
In the another book that I took out of the library: "Golf Mind, Golf
Body, Golf Swing" there is actually a chapter at the very end of the
book where he gives his notes and ideas about TGM. This book is great,
it is very large and very detailed.
The thing about Mike Hebron that made a large impression on me was his
core philosophy. "Golf is not a subject but a motor skill which can
only be learned and not taught." He stresses how he helps the student
learn, instead of teaching them exactly how to swing the golf club.
Now, at first this was a bit of a let down for me because I was hoping
for somebody to tell, and show me how to swing the club. It turned out
that the most knowledgable person I have ever met regarding the golf
swing told me that I had to figure it out on my own. But he doesn't
just end there. It is important to base your swing on accurate
information. So I used his book, then I got his DVDs which were great.
That is when I first discovered Lag. Very big discovery. An extra
10-20 yards per club, instantly. Then I realized, through David
Laville that The Golfing Machine was the most accurate source of
information on the golf swing. And the fact that I had already seen
what Mike Hebron, and his son can do with the ideas from that one
book....I just had to get it. The journey has been difficult at times,
and it is no where near over. But I can say that that little book
(combined with Yoda's website) has increased my golf swing, and entire
game more that would ever been possible by just taking lessons and
practicing on my own. The information is real, and it really works.
Go find an Authorized Instructor, have them hit some balls for you.
They will prove to you the understanding and knowledge they have with
ball flight. High and long.
Dene wrote:
> Great post. I apologize for top posting but my response is brief.
> Couple of questions. Is Mike Hebron as devoted to TGM as Blake?
> Secondly, do his books reflect this? I'd love to read his teaching
> without chapter/verse references to TGM.
>
> -Greg
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:40:34
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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Great post. I apologize for top posting but my response is brief.
Couple of questions. Is Mike Hebron as devoted to TGM as Blake?
Secondly, do his books reflect this? I'd love to read his teaching
without chapter/verse references to TGM.
-Greg
KnighT wrote:
> Before the golfing machine I had no idea what I was doing with the golf
> club in my swing. Now I know what I want to do and I am beginning to
> actually do it because I understand (There are only 12 sections....they
> must be learned, differentiated, and overlapped to produce an
> uncomprimised stroke).
>
> I can tell you why I began to study The Golfing Machine. I attended a
> 1 day seminar at a local course here (Summer of '05) with somebody I
> just found out was in the top 50 teachers list from one of those
> magazines. It has been a great journey since that day. The man was
> Michael Hebron, and he opened my eyes to a golf swing based on the laws
> of force and motion. He taught me about compression, which is
> something I never knew even happened. He taught me about a forward
> leaning clubshaft. 2 very important ideas. He proved to me that he
> understood the golf swing....without even trying. One time, he pointed
> at a tree about 120 yards away. He addressed the ball and knocked it
> right off the tree. I realized this man was on another level of ball
> striking that I have ever seen. It actually was David Laville who told
> me through a post here on RSG that Michael Hebron was an autorized
> instructor, and much of his information came from TGM. So, I bought
> the book. I read it. Now I study it, and use the help of ALL the
> videos and posts from lynnblakegolf.com and I am beginning to really
> apply it to the golf club.
>
> Before lynnBlakeGolf.com I read TGM (most of it) but I had trouble
> focusing on, understanding, and applying the main concepts. After I
> found the site I used it to help me with the main ideas from the book
> that I thought/think are the most important. I think the first thing I
> really focused on, and thought alot about was The Flying Wedges(I think
> my first post was 'Why are they called Flying Wedges?'. I still work
> on my wedges. I think that is the core idea behind the whole book.
> Get them and you can do anything you want with a golf club. Another
> idea that must comply with the flying wedges is extensor action. This
> is becoming a very good habit during my swing. "Extensor action
> provides an indespensible control to all strokes." In the past few
> days I have really started to get into chapter 6, which is one of the
> best chapters in the book. Lately I have been finding the delivery
> line, and directing all motion down the delivery line toward the
> straight plane line. As well as tracing the straight plane line with
> pressure point #3 and the right forearm.
>
> Direct results have been more distance. Alot more distance. I always
> hit my irons similar distance and trajectory. My dad would use a 7
> iron, and I would need a 5. Now I can crank up the 7 if I need, or
> swing a nice easy 6. I have gained 25-30 yards with every club.
> Trajectory is better. Direction is better. Distance is much better,
> and I am only scratching the surface of chapter 6. Chapter 6 = Power =
> Distance.
>
> The best advice I can give is to follow the star system triad in the
> preface. Always apply the 3 imperatives, across the 3 stations
> (address, top, finish) in a single motion. Go to chapter 12 and do A
> LOT of basic motion chip shots. Then do acquired motion. Then total
> motion. I mean weeks of each before moving on to the next stage.
> Basic motion is critical. Do not ignore it. It is the gateway to good
> golf.
>
> I find Yoda's posts to be very clear and detailed. His posts are like
> a supplemant to the book. First try to understand one part from the
> book as best you can by thinking about it, then training with stage 1
> chip shots. I suggest you start with the flying wedges. Keep
> thinking, keep rereading, then go to yoda's forum and start at the
> archives. Read every post you can find about that one idea, or
> chapter, or paragraph that you can find (7-3 last paragraph is
> 'magical'). Then keep at it. Another one to focus on is the law of
> the flail. I just found this one out, and it is amazing. Once you get
> something, everything else is different.
>
> Use the pressure points in your hands to hit the ball....not the
> clubhead. This is the basis of the desirable hands controlled pivot
> (5-0 Educated hands). The mechanical checklist for all strokes (12-3,
> I think) tells you everything you need to build a precise golf swing.
>
> It's all about G.O.L.F
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 07:00:58
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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"Golf Swing Secrets ........And Lies"
" The Inside Moves The Outside"
"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1162017633.995697.197160@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Great post. I apologize for top posting but my response is brief.
> Couple of questions. Is Mike Hebron as devoted to TGM as Blake?
> Secondly, do his books reflect this? I'd love to read his teaching
> without chapter/verse references to TGM.
>
> -Greg
>
> KnighT wrote:
>
>> Before the golfing machine I had no idea what I was doing with the golf
>> club in my swing. Now I know what I want to do and I am beginning to
>> actually do it because I understand (There are only 12 sections....they
>> must be learned, differentiated, and overlapped to produce an
>> uncomprimised stroke).
>>
>> I can tell you why I began to study The Golfing Machine. I attended a
>> 1 day seminar at a local course here (Summer of '05) with somebody I
>> just found out was in the top 50 teachers list from one of those
>> magazines. It has been a great journey since that day. The man was
>> Michael Hebron, and he opened my eyes to a golf swing based on the laws
>> of force and motion. He taught me about compression, which is
>> something I never knew even happened. He taught me about a forward
>> leaning clubshaft. 2 very important ideas. He proved to me that he
>> understood the golf swing....without even trying. One time, he pointed
>> at a tree about 120 yards away. He addressed the ball and knocked it
>> right off the tree. I realized this man was on another level of ball
>> striking that I have ever seen. It actually was David Laville who told
>> me through a post here on RSG that Michael Hebron was an autorized
>> instructor, and much of his information came from TGM. So, I bought
>> the book. I read it. Now I study it, and use the help of ALL the
>> videos and posts from lynnblakegolf.com and I am beginning to really
>> apply it to the golf club.
>>
>> Before lynnBlakeGolf.com I read TGM (most of it) but I had trouble
>> focusing on, understanding, and applying the main concepts. After I
>> found the site I used it to help me with the main ideas from the book
>> that I thought/think are the most important. I think the first thing I
>> really focused on, and thought alot about was The Flying Wedges(I think
>> my first post was 'Why are they called Flying Wedges?'. I still work
>> on my wedges. I think that is the core idea behind the whole book.
>> Get them and you can do anything you want with a golf club. Another
>> idea that must comply with the flying wedges is extensor action. This
>> is becoming a very good habit during my swing. "Extensor action
>> provides an indespensible control to all strokes." In the past few
>> days I have really started to get into chapter 6, which is one of the
>> best chapters in the book. Lately I have been finding the delivery
>> line, and directing all motion down the delivery line toward the
>> straight plane line. As well as tracing the straight plane line with
>> pressure point #3 and the right forearm.
>>
>> Direct results have been more distance. Alot more distance. I always
>> hit my irons similar distance and trajectory. My dad would use a 7
>> iron, and I would need a 5. Now I can crank up the 7 if I need, or
>> swing a nice easy 6. I have gained 25-30 yards with every club.
>> Trajectory is better. Direction is better. Distance is much better,
>> and I am only scratching the surface of chapter 6. Chapter 6 = Power =
>> Distance.
>>
>> The best advice I can give is to follow the star system triad in the
>> preface. Always apply the 3 imperatives, across the 3 stations
>> (address, top, finish) in a single motion. Go to chapter 12 and do A
>> LOT of basic motion chip shots. Then do acquired motion. Then total
>> motion. I mean weeks of each before moving on to the next stage.
>> Basic motion is critical. Do not ignore it. It is the gateway to good
>> golf.
>>
>> I find Yoda's posts to be very clear and detailed. His posts are like
>> a supplemant to the book. First try to understand one part from the
>> book as best you can by thinking about it, then training with stage 1
>> chip shots. I suggest you start with the flying wedges. Keep
>> thinking, keep rereading, then go to yoda's forum and start at the
>> archives. Read every post you can find about that one idea, or
>> chapter, or paragraph that you can find (7-3 last paragraph is
>> 'magical'). Then keep at it. Another one to focus on is the law of
>> the flail. I just found this one out, and it is amazing. Once you get
>> something, everything else is different.
>>
>> Use the pressure points in your hands to hit the ball....not the
>> clubhead. This is the basis of the desirable hands controlled pivot
>> (5-0 Educated hands). The mechanical checklist for all strokes (12-3,
>> I think) tells you everything you need to build a precise golf swing.
>>
>> It's all about G.O.L.F
>
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Date: 28 Oct 2006 11:22:58
From: Dene
Subject: Re: The Golf Machine
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Thanks! I'll pick up a copy!
-Greg
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