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Date: 20 Aug 2006 11:32:47
From: Patty
Subject: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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I've hit a brick wall don't seem to be getting better (I'm getting
worse ) how ever much I practise. And I do practise..!! Particulary the
short game and putting..
I'm gonna give in get me some lessons, at least let someone see what
I'm doing wrong.
My handicap is 12 and will be up to 20 by the end of the year the way
I'm playing currently.
Problem is when I hear people getting lessons at the club, I hear all
the stuff that I already know I should be doing but I'm probably not.
So I have stayed away from lessons for this reason.
Seems a waste of money to hear him go over this with me. But I suppose
he may see something I'm not doing..
This game drives me nuts !!!
Anyone of a low handicap on the RSG still getting lessons .. ?
Cheers
Patty
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 10:49:07
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Patty wrote:
<snippoo >
> This game drives me nuts !!!
>
> Anyone of a low handicap on the RSG still getting lessons .. ?
>
> Cheers
> Patty
>
Patty,
In talking to many teaching pros in this part of the world (Oz) I have
learned that more than 70% of their teaching goes to single digit
handicappers; and that more than 50% of these have two or more lessons a
month!
No wonder they are good!
In recently discussing the prowess of one of our elderly club members I
was commenting on his apparent 'natural ability' at scoring, and his
easily maintaining a single digit handicap at the age of 74! I also
learned to my surprise that he practises four times a week, spending
hours each time with his short game around the practice greens....he
also plays at least three competition rounds a week!
No wonder he is good!
cheers
david
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 18:13:03
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Patty wrote:
> I've hit a brick wall don't seem to be getting better (I'm getting
> worse ) how ever much I practise. And I do practise..!! Particulary the
> short game and putting..
>
> I'm gonna give in get me some lessons, at least let someone see what
> I'm doing wrong.
>
> My handicap is 12 and will be up to 20 by the end of the year the way
> I'm playing currently.
>
> Problem is when I hear people getting lessons at the club, I hear all
> the stuff that I already know I should be doing but I'm probably not.
> So I have stayed away from lessons for this reason.
>
> Seems a waste of money to hear him go over this with me. But I suppose
> he may see something I'm not doing..
>
> This game drives me nuts !!!
>
> Anyone of a low handicap on the RSG still getting lessons .. ?
>
> Cheers
> Patty
>
My handicap is 6-7 depending on when you look at it. I continue to get
lessons. I need a trained eye to help me avoid falling into bad habits.
Plus, I think I can get better yet, and some of that will come from
lessons.
Patty, getting lessons is a great idea. You don't want to fall into bad
habits that will take you months to break.
And many times, what you think you're doing you're not really doing. If
you can get a video lesson where you are taped and you and the pro
review the tape, I believe you'll find it to be a wonderfully rewarding
experience. What you think you're doing is most likely not what you're
doing.
Mike
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Date: 21 Aug 2006 00:26:29
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:13:03 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@dalecki.net >
wrote:
>My handicap is 6-7 depending on when you look at it. I continue to get
>lessons. I need a trained eye to help me avoid falling into bad habits.
> Plus, I think I can get better yet, and some of that will come from
>lessons.
So do most all of the pros.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 20:22:09
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
> Patty wrote:
>
>> I've hit a brick wall don't seem to be getting better (I'm getting
>> worse ) how ever much I practise. And I do practise..!! Particulary the
>> short game and putting..
>>
>> I'm gonna give in get me some lessons, at least let someone see what
>> I'm doing wrong.
>>
>> My handicap is 12 and will be up to 20 by the end of the year the way
>> I'm playing currently.
>>
>> Problem is when I hear people getting lessons at the club, I hear all
>> the stuff that I already know I should be doing but I'm probably not.
>> So I have stayed away from lessons for this reason.
>>
>> Seems a waste of money to hear him go over this with me. But I suppose
>> he may see something I'm not doing..
>>
>> This game drives me nuts !!!
>>
>> Anyone of a low handicap on the RSG still getting lessons .. ?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Patty
>>
>
> My handicap is 6-7 depending on when you look at it. I continue to get
> lessons. I need a trained eye to help me avoid falling into bad habits.
> Plus, I think I can get better yet, and some of that will come from
> lessons.
>
> Patty, getting lessons is a great idea. You don't want to fall into bad
> habits that will take you months to break.
>
> And many times, what you think you're doing you're not really doing. If
> you can get a video lesson where you are taped and you and the pro
> review the tape, I believe you'll find it to be a wonderfully rewarding
> experience. What you think you're doing is most likely not what you're
> doing.
>
> Mike
>
I'm a 4.5 (and trending upwards) and I'm going to see a pro this week.
Only had 3 lessons in my life before, mostly self-taught. However,
right now I need another set of trained eyes on my swing and set-up to
correct a few problems I'm having.
David
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 12:07:08
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Patty wrote:
> I've hit a brick wall don't seem to be getting better (I'm getting
> worse ) how ever much I practise. And I do practise..!! Particulary the
> short game and putting..
>
> I'm gonna give in get me some lessons, at least let someone see what
> I'm doing wrong.
>
> My handicap is 12 and will be up to 20 by the end of the year the way
> I'm playing currently.
>
> Problem is when I hear people getting lessons at the club, I hear all
> the stuff that I already know I should be doing but I'm probably not.
> So I have stayed away from lessons for this reason.
>
> Seems a waste of money to hear him go over this with me. But I suppose
> he may see something I'm not doing..
>
> This game drives me nuts !!!
>
> Anyone of a low handicap on the RSG still getting lessons .. ?
I've not had a lesson since 1987 or so....once you have the mechanics,
the rest is fine tuning. Most of that fine tuning is between your
ears. Stop worrying, stop thinking, just swing and play the game.
Go play a course you've never played and "just swing".
Tex
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Date: 22 Aug 2006 01:39:50
From: Patty
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Thanks For the replies..
Had my first Lesson yesterday with a Pro, and immediatly my setup was
adjusted.
I was too rigid and upright and I now feel like I'm sitting on a stool.
Feels wierd but I'm sure I will get use to it.
We focused on this quite a bit and not much else as he commented my
swing looked good. So I'm glad now I am taking them.
Will return in a few weeks.
thanks for the help
Patty
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 10:25:59
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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You might take a look at Hogan's "Five Lessons" for some other great
pointers. The static issues like stance, posture, and grip can be easily
self taught. The beginning of the swing and the end of the swing are a bit
more complicated and dynamic.
Lesson 2 covers stance and posture of which the posture deals with sitting
on a spectator stick(stool). He illustrates a standing posture superimposed
over the swing posture.
Otto
"Patty" <simplycisco@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1156235990.001203.272720@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I was too rigid and upright and I now feel like I'm sitting on a stool.
> Feels wierd but I'm sure I will get use to it.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 15:48:49
From: gary hayenga
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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On 2006-08-23 10:25:59 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > said:
>
> "Patty" <simplycisco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1156235990.001203.272720@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>> I was too rigid and upright and I now feel like I'm sitting on a stool.
>> Feels wierd but I'm sure I will get use to it.
> You might take a look at Hogan's "Five Lessons" for some other great
> pointers. The static issues like stance, posture, and grip can be
> easily self taught. The beginning of the swing and the end of the swing
> are a bit more complicated and dynamic.
>
> Lesson 2 covers stance and posture of which the posture deals with
> sitting on a spectator stick(stool). He illustrates a standing posture
> superimposed over the swing posture.
>
> Otto
*Some* people can self-teach these things from a book like "Five Lessons".
There are others of us who are unable to tell when we're not actually
doing those things.
The pro I took lessons from kept telling me to do things I was already
doing, or so I thought. He had to show me video evidence that I wasn't
actually doing it that way. It sure *felt* like I was doing it that
way. And I'm talking about stance and posture here. Grip, I would
forget between lessons, but I could grip the club how he told me when
he reminded me too.
gary hayenga
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 22:45:22
From:
Subject: Re: That's it !! I'm getting lessons..
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>Anyone of a low handicap on the RSG still
>getting lessons .. ?
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
what a laugh.:--)
>mho
>v fe
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0"d R i V e =A0L e $ s"
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 18:55:42
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Tex wrote:
> Patty wrote:
> > I've hit a brick wall don't seem to be getting better (I'm getting
> > worse ) how ever much I practise. And I do practise..!! Particulary the
> > short game and putting..
> >
> > I'm gonna give in get me some lessons, at least let someone see what
> > I'm doing wrong.
> >
> > My handicap is 12 and will be up to 20 by the end of the year the way
> > I'm playing currently.
> >
> > Problem is when I hear people getting lessons at the club, I hear all
> > the stuff that I already know I should be doing but I'm probably not.
> > So I have stayed away from lessons for this reason.
> >
> > Seems a waste of money to hear him go over this with me. But I suppose
> > he may see something I'm not doing..
> >
> > This game drives me nuts !!!
> >
> > Anyone of a low handicap on the RSG still getting lessons .. ?
>
> I've not had a lesson since 1987 or so....once you have the mechanics,
> the rest is fine tuning. Most of that fine tuning is between your
> ears. Stop worrying, stop thinking, just swing and play the game.
>
> Go play a course you've never played and "just swing".
>
> Tex
It's nice to have a trained eye (or even one not so trained) have a
look once in a while though.
Even seeing your self on tape can be an eye opener and reveal many
things you were not aware of.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 18:14:16
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Otto wrote:
> I would agree with this to the most part except total submission.
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Learn what the pro is telling you so YOU can understand. Your long term
> benefits will be far greater.
I started off trying to teach myself the golf swing from Hogans book.
I studied it for years, and probably read it 20 times or more. I've
also read just about every other book on the golf swing I could
find - maybe 50-60 books, at least.
My swing sucks. It used to suck way worse when I was teaching
myself from books, before I started taking lessons.
I'm beginning to believe that you are MUCH better off just taking
the lessons, and forgetting the books. Part of this belief comes
from learning that the golf swing is performed by a different
part of the brain than you use when reading. Feelings vs
logic, and all that. The other part come from my personal
experience, and watching others.
But this is just my personal opinion, and you are welcome to
yours.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 04:51:03
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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On 23-Aug-2006, "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I'm beginning to believe that you are MUCH better off just taking
> the lessons, and forgetting the books. Part of this belief comes
> from learning that the golf swing is performed by a different
> part of the brain than you use when reading. Feelings vs
> logic, and all that. The other part come from my personal
> experience, and watching others.
Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner! FWIW the same thing applies to learning
languages. This is why most language courses in school can seem totally
useless.
--
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 17:46:52
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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gary hayenga wrote:
> On 2006-08-23 10:25:59 -0400, "Otto"
> <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> said:
> >
> > "Patty" <simplycisco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1156235990.001203.272720@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> I was too rigid and upright and I now feel like I'm sitting on a stool.
> >> Feels wierd but I'm sure I will get use to it.
>
>
> > You might take a look at Hogan's "Five Lessons" for some other great
> > pointers. The static issues like stance, posture, and grip can be
> > easily self taught. The beginning of the swing and the end of the swing
> > are a bit more complicated and dynamic.
> >
> > Lesson 2 covers stance and posture of which the posture deals with
> > sitting on a spectator stick(stool). He illustrates a standing posture
> > superimposed over the swing posture.
> >
> > Otto
>
> *Some* people can self-teach these things from a book like "Five Lessons".
>
> There are others of us who are unable to tell when we're not actually
> doing those things.
>
> The pro I took lessons from kept telling me to do things I was already
> doing, or so I thought. He had to show me video evidence that I wasn't
> actually doing it that way. It sure *felt* like I was doing it that
> way. And I'm talking about stance and posture here. Grip, I would
> forget between lessons, but I could grip the club how he told me when
> he reminded me too.
Amen. My advice to anyone taking lessons: forget Hogan's book. Forget
any other book. Listen to the pro, and submit totally. You'll make
progress much faster. (But choose your pro carefully.)
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Date: 23 Aug 2006 20:52:31
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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I would agree with this to the most part except total submission.
Knowledge is power.
Learn what the pro is telling you so YOU can understand. Your long term
benefits will be far greater.
Otto
"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1156380412.754069.146300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Amen. My advice to anyone taking lessons: forget Hogan's book. Forget
> any other book. Listen to the pro, and submit totally. You'll make
> progress much faster. (But choose your pro carefully.)
>
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 12:41:40
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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> Lessons are good when you are just starting to get a good posture, grip
> & etc. After that they are of marginal value.
I couldn't agree less. Most people don't maintain proper posture from
year to year, or retain a good swing plane. That's why people have hot
and cold streaks in hitting.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 11:28:22
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Thats it !! I'm getting lessons..
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Patty wrote:
snippit....
Lessons are good when you are just starting to get a good posture, grip
& etc. After that they are of marginal value. Nothing improves your
game like actually playing golf on a golf course. There is a lot more
to golf than the golf swing, and there are many people otu there with
far worse golf swings that even I who are pretty good golfers because
they know how to play golf a lot better than I do.
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Date: 24 Aug 2006 14:16:49
From:
Subject: Re: That's it !! I'm getting lessons..
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>that's it,
>i'm getting lessons.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
what's wrong, where is your game weak, what are you looking for? don't
interrupt the teacher,
listen to his assessment of your lousy make-up, and what's needed to get
it on track.
try it, if it works, you are a winner, if it doesn't, charge it up to
experience.
Learn how to strike the ball - right down the middle.
>mho
>v fe
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