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Date: 22 Oct 2006 09:35:17
From: ken
Subject: Takeaway Swing thought
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I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
Ken
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 15:36:59
From: Joe
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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ken wrote:
> I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>
> Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>
> Ken
>
>
Just a thought. Everyone's sense of kinesthesia is different so you
need to be looking for the feeling that fits you and your body when you
execute a good takeaway and turn. What you are really trying to do is
rotate your upper body around a line running down your spine so, for me
at least, thinking about "back" or pushing can lead to a sway away from
the target.
I learned that the feeling I need is one where my right shoulder feels
as though it is being pulled around my body toward the target. One side
benefit is that it is easier to make a complete turn when thinking this
way.
Find out what works for you. There is no correct or preferred way.
Joe
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 07:49:33
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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>
> "ken" <kschw9883@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:kLmdnaLh4fkC7qbYnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> >Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
> >
> > Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
> >
> > Ken
sfb wrote:
> Since shoulders are connected to each other, it would be a bit of a
> challenge to move one without moving the other.
Your shoulders have a limited amount of separate movement to them. I
can easily move my right shoulder back without moving my left.
But the OP is talking about a swing "thought". There are many swing
thoughts that can accomplish the same thing. Some work better for one
person than another. I have 3 different swing thoughts to help me make
a complete turn. Sometimes one works better than the other. Must
depend on what I ate for breakfast that morning.... at least, it seems
that random.
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 11:49:52
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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Yes, you can shrug one shoulder independently of the other, but any turn
around the axis of the body and they both turn.
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1161528573.359888.138250@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> "ken" <kschw9883@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:kLmdnaLh4fkC7qbYnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front
>> >shoulder.
>> >Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>> >
>> > Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>> >
>> > Ken
>
> sfb wrote:
>> Since shoulders are connected to each other, it would be a bit of a
>> challenge to move one without moving the other.
>
> Your shoulders have a limited amount of separate movement to them. I
> can easily move my right shoulder back without moving my left.
>
> But the OP is talking about a swing "thought". There are many swing
> thoughts that can accomplish the same thing. Some work better for one
> person than another. I have 3 different swing thoughts to help me make
> a complete turn. Sometimes one works better than the other. Must
> depend on what I ate for breakfast that morning.... at least, it seems
> that random.
>
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 23:36:52
From: ken
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote in message
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> Yes, you can shrug one shoulder independently of the other, but any turn
> around the axis of the body and they both turn.
>
> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161528573.359888.138250@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>
>>> "ken" <kschw9883@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:kLmdnaLh4fkC7qbYnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> >I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front
>>> >shoulder.
>>> >Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>>> >
>>> > Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>>> >
>>> > Ken
>>
>> sfb wrote:
>>> Since shoulders are connected to each other, it would be a bit of a
>>> challenge to move one without moving the other.
>>
>> Your shoulders have a limited amount of separate movement to them. I
>> can easily move my right shoulder back without moving my left.
>>
>> But the OP is talking about a swing "thought". There are many swing
>> thoughts that can accomplish the same thing. Some work better for one
>> person than another. I have 3 different swing thoughts to help me make
>> a complete turn. Sometimes one works better than the other. Must
>> depend on what I ate for breakfast that morning.... at least, it seems
>> that random.
I need to clarify.. I am talking about taking it back to the point where the
club is parallel to the ground.
Once I get it to this point I rotate my shoulders to get my club to the top
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 09:41:33
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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Since shoulders are connected to each other, it would be a bit of a
challenge to move one without moving the other.
"ken" <kschw9883@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:kLmdnaLh4fkC7qbYnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
>Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>
> Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>
> Ken
>
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 19:23:02
From: Indiana_John
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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I know it isn't exaclty what you're looking for, but I have to say it.
My normal swing thought is "DON'T HIT IT IN THE WATER!".
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 19:21:55
From: Indiana_John
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> On 22, 8:35 am, "ken" <kschw9...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> > Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
> >
> > Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
> >
> > Ken
>
> Hey, Ken,
>
> I posted a response to this thread, but it didn't show up.
> I'm wondering if I made a mistake and sent it directly
> to you as an email. If so, would you mind posting it?
> I don't feel like typing it in again.
>
> - Bill
Now that's lazy! Of course I say that because I can relate.
If I had done the same thing, I would have asked him to post my reply
because I had forgotten what I'd typed.
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:25:36
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On 22, 8:35 am, "ken" <kschw9...@comcast.net > wrote:
> I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>
> Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>
> Ken
Hey, Ken,
I posted a response to this thread, but it didn't show up.
I'm wondering if I made a mistake and sent it directly
to you as an email. If so, would you mind posting it?
I don't feel like typing it in again.
- Bill
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 12:15:37
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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ken wrote:
> I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>
> Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
One thing that has helped get me away from my tendency to take the club
away on an outside plane (an opposite problem fromwhat most struggle
with...taking it away too flat) is to feel as though my left arm is
extending while my right arm is pulling in (I'm right handed).
You can feel it in your grip as if the hands are trying to stay more on
top of one another. This has helped with the width of my arc and in
eliminating a reverse pivot as well as getting the clubface in a
rotated "toe up" position when the shaft is parallel with the ground in
the first 1/4 of the swing.
Watch out for the hooks you might encounter with this method though.
:-) Good luck.
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 11:34:11
From:
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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ken wrote:
> I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>
> Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>
Probably good ways, but nothing etched in stone.
> Ken
I push instead of pull with my left hand, hence the arms, and move my
shoulder too independently, but don't think how I am manuevering my
shoulder except by the plane direction it goes.
CJ
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 17:34:01
From: Frankie Mc
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Sun, 22 2006 09:35:17 -0400, "ken" <kschw9883@comcast.net >
wrote:
>I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
>Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>
>Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>
>Ken
>
>
Got the Greg Norman video where he strongly advises that you should
push the club away with the left arm.
I suppose every golfer has a method,I try to remember this one and it
seems right for me.
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 19:25:15
From: Roger Thaat
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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Frankie Mc wrote:
> On Sun, 22 2006 09:35:17 -0400, "ken" <kschw9883@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
>>Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>>
>>Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>
>
> Got the Greg Norman video where he strongly advises that you should
> push the club away with the left arm.
> I suppose every golfer has a method,I try to remember this one and it
> seems right for me.
I caught the pro teacher who wears a cardigan and a shirt and tie on TGC
a few years ago and he said something like, "The golfer begins the
takeaway with the left upper arm..." On the odd occasion when I'm doing
this, and have that sensation on every swing, I hit my irons well. I've
been unable to replicate the feeling/results with driver or long woods
however.
--
Roger Thaat
You may remember me. I used to be called Howard U. Dewing, but only one
guy ever answered the question.
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 13:42:34
From: Draco
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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ken wrote:
> I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
>
> Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
>
There really is no "correct way" of taking back
the club and preparing to swing. What is right
for you is the correct swing take away. Look at
a lot of Pro golfers and see how each has his/her
own take away style.
In my take away thought is, "let the club do the work
and hit the big ball last." At other times it is, "Hit the
dang thing, this time".
Draco
Getting even isn't good enough.
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 10:27:32
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
designed.
Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
forearm.
This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
unless they contol the pivot.
Draco wrote:
> ken wrote:
> > I have been told that on the take awa to push back with the front shoulder.
> > Others have said both shoulders should direct the club back.
> >
> > Is there a preferred or correct way of doing this?
> >
>
> There really is no "correct way" of taking back
> the club and preparing to swing. What is right
> for you is the correct swing take away. Look at
> a lot of Pro golfers and see how each has his/her
> own take away style.
>
> In my take away thought is, "let the club do the work
> and hit the big ball last." At other times it is, "Hit the
> dang thing, this time".
>
>
> Draco
>
>
>
> Getting even isn't good enough.
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:13:17
From: larry
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
>designed.
>
>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
>
>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
>
>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
>forearm.
>
>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
>unless they contol the pivot.
Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
during the backswing.
Larry
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 21:54:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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I've read that when pros see teaching pros, the most common thing for
them to do is start off by asking "How's my setup?".
But that same article said when hackers see teaching pros, we
virtually never ask that question.
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:23:27
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:c3avj2hj8l5oi8ovd9j9q7u04ubujg9ac9@4ax.com...
> On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
>>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
>>designed.
>>
>>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
>>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
>>
>>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
>>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
>>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
>>
>>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
>>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
>>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
>>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
>>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
>>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
>>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
>>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
>>forearm.
>>
>>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
>>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
>>unless they contol the pivot.
>
> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
> during the backswing.
>
> Larry
"There is only one perfect way to strike a golf ball: That is by swinging
the clubhead. You swing the clubhead with your hands and fingers. You sense
the feel of the swing through your hands and fingers. Your hands are
everything in this business of playing good golf easily."
- Ernest Jones
STC GURU to LLLLaarrryy
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 02:07:26
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:c3avj2hj8l5oi8ovd9j9q7u04ubujg9ac9@4ax.com...
> On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
>>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
>>designed.
>>
>>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
>>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
>>
>>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
>>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
>>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
>>
>>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
>>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
>>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
>>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
>>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
>>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
>>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
>>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
>>forearm.
>>
>>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
>>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
>>unless they contol the pivot.
>
> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
> during the backswing.
>
> Larry
I must disagree with you on many levels.
I don't hold a swing thought.
I have a swing thought process more than a single swing thought. A single
goal rules my mind throughout: Make proper contact. For me, It's a step by
step process of intermediate goals. Choose target, target chosen, go to next
intermediate goal. Aim for target, target locked, go to next intermediate
goal. Grip club and align clubhead, done, go to next intermediate goal. Etc
until the ball is thoroughly in the air.
All these intermediate goals are practiced and put in sequence. Some become
automatic and even become automatically correct.
I think about my hands and what I'm about to do with them. I control the
club with my hands.
I don't think about technique, I've thought about it enough during practice.
I've practiced it enough that it's become automatic.
Martin Levac
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 09:55:02
From: larry
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Thu, 26 2006 02:07:26 -0400, "Martin Levac"
<vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca > wrote:
>
>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>news:c3avj2hj8l5oi8ovd9j9q7u04ubujg9ac9@4ax.com...
>> On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
>>>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
>>>designed.
>>>
>>>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
>>>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
>>>
>>>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
>>>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
>>>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
>>>
>>>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
>>>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
>>>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
>>>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
>>>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
>>>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
>>>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
>>>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
>>>forearm.
>>>
>>>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
>>>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
>>>unless they contol the pivot.
>>
>> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
>> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
>> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
>> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
>> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
>> during the backswing.
>>
>> Larry
>
>I must disagree with you on many levels.
>
>I don't hold a swing thought.
>
>I have a swing thought process more than a single swing thought. A single
>goal rules my mind throughout: Make proper contact. For me, It's a step by
>step process of intermediate goals. Choose target, target chosen, go to next
>intermediate goal. Aim for target, target locked, go to next intermediate
>goal. Grip club and align clubhead, done, go to next intermediate goal. Etc
>until the ball is thoroughly in the air.
>
>All these intermediate goals are practiced and put in sequence. Some become
>automatic and even become automatically correct.
>
>I think about my hands and what I'm about to do with them. I control the
>club with my hands.
>
>I don't think about technique, I've thought about it enough during practice.
>I've practiced it enough that it's become automatic.
>
>
>Martin Levac
I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
Larry
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 17:26:07
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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In article <f1q1k2lifk1kfdhsphfv23982f5oh7u8ob@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 26 2006 02:07:26 -0400, "Martin Levac"
> <vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> >news:c3avj2hj8l5oi8ovd9j9q7u04ubujg9ac9@4ax.com...
> >> On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
> >>>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
> >>>designed.
> >>>
> >>>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
> >>>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
> >>>
> >>>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
> >>>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
> >>>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
> >>>
> >>>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
> >>>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
> >>>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
> >>>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
> >>>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
> >>>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
> >>>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
> >>>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
> >>>forearm.
> >>>
> >>>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
> >>>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
> >>>unless they contol the pivot.
> >>
> >> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
> >> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
> >> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
> >> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
> >> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
> >> during the backswing.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >I must disagree with you on many levels.
> >
> >I don't hold a swing thought.
> >
> >I have a swing thought process more than a single swing thought. A single
> >goal rules my mind throughout: Make proper contact. For me, It's a step by
> >step process of intermediate goals. Choose target, target chosen, go to next
> >intermediate goal. Aim for target, target locked, go to next intermediate
> >goal. Grip club and align clubhead, done, go to next intermediate goal. Etc
> >until the ball is thoroughly in the air.
> >
> >All these intermediate goals are practiced and put in sequence. Some become
> >automatic and even become automatically correct.
> >
> >I think about my hands and what I'm about to do with them. I control the
> >club with my hands.
> >
> >I don't think about technique, I've thought about it enough during practice.
> >I've practiced it enough that it's become automatic.
> >
> >
> >Martin Levac
>
> I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>
> Larry
Why are your thoughts important to anyone else then. You're just a 9
yourself and you admit that it's not you're full swing that's
responsible (you're "deadly" short game, remember?)
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 13:33:39
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:f1q1k2lifk1kfdhsphfv23982f5oh7u8ob@4ax.com...
> I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>
My swingthought is to imagine Larrry standing about 3 feet in front of me,
and swing for his crotch. Helps to prevent decelleration through the
ball(s).
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 22:05:53
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Thu, 26 2006 09:55:02 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
>level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
Should we disregard what people say who are not as good as scratch?
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:18:57
From: larry
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Thu, 26 2006 22:05:53 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:
>On Thu, 26 2006 09:55:02 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
>>level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>
>Should we disregard what people say who are not as good as scratch?
Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
don't know--yet.
Larry
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 01:46:42
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Thu, 26 2006 16:18:57 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
>Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
>with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
>don't know--yet.
And pros think both are important.
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 10:41:20
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:d7p2k2p1qodnubria658bj9sko49b01pnd@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 2006 16:18:57 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
>>Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
>>with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
>>don't know--yet.
>
> And pros think both are important.
It wouldn't surprise me if pros spend a lot more time thinking about the
mental aspects, though. At their level, the mechanics are pretty much
already optimal. Unless a swing problem pops up, I'd think they'd spend
more time working on their mental game than any of the mechanical bits.
When I get my card, I'll let you know for sure :-)
Scott
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:19:38
From: larry
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Fri, 27 2006 10:41:20 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com >
wrote:
>
>"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
>news:d7p2k2p1qodnubria658bj9sko49b01pnd@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 26 2006 16:18:57 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
>>>Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
>>>with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
>>>don't know--yet.
>>
>> And pros think both are important.
>
>It wouldn't surprise me if pros spend a lot more time thinking about the
>mental aspects, though. At their level, the mechanics are pretty much
>already optimal. Unless a swing problem pops up, I'd think they'd spend
>more time working on their mental game than any of the mechanical bits.
>When I get my card, I'll let you know for sure :-)
>
>Scott
All we can do is ask accomplished golfers what they think about as
they prepare to swing and as they swing. We can ask them what they
thought about while they were learning and about their learning
process. We can learn how they learned--and if we are wise, we will
imitate what they did to become that good.
I am wise. Accordingly I am working to apply what I learned from the
handful of touring pros at my club.
See ya out there.
Larry
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:32:22
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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In article <k2c4k2tg81hov977d1lsnm05hajhgm6ul7@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 27 2006 10:41:20 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
> >news:d7p2k2p1qodnubria658bj9sko49b01pnd@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 26 2006 16:18:57 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
> >>>Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
> >>>with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
> >>>don't know--yet.
> >>
> >> And pros think both are important.
> >
> >It wouldn't surprise me if pros spend a lot more time thinking about the
> >mental aspects, though. At their level, the mechanics are pretty much
> >already optimal. Unless a swing problem pops up, I'd think they'd spend
> >more time working on their mental game than any of the mechanical bits.
> >When I get my card, I'll let you know for sure :-)
> >
> >Scott
>
> All we can do is ask accomplished golfers what they think about as
> they prepare to swing and as they swing. We can ask them what they
> thought about while they were learning and about their learning
> process. We can learn how they learned--and if we are wise, we will
> imitate what they did to become that good.
They thought a lot about their hands, and their arms, and every other
part of their body and what it was doing during the golf swing.
>
> I am wise. Accordingly I am working to apply what I learned from the
> handful of touring pros at my club.
Now it's the "handful of touring pros", is it?
LOL
>
> See ya out there.
>
> Larry
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 23:25:54
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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In article <mfg2k2tqrpd2eova4kne99ogn8i09ui6vh@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 26 2006 22:05:53 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 26 2006 09:55:02 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> >>level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
> >
> >Should we disregard what people say who are not as good as scratch?
>
> Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
> Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
> with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
> don't know--yet.
>
> Larry
You seem to be claiming you're an advanced golfer whose mechanics are
fundamentally sound...
You're not, you know...
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 22:51:16
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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Howard Brazee wrote:
>> I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
>> level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>
> Should we disregard what people say who are not as good as scratch?
No, but Larry's the exception.
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:52:54
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:f1q1k2lifk1kfdhsphfv23982f5oh7u8ob@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 2006 02:07:26 -0400, "Martin Levac"
> <vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>>news:c3avj2hj8l5oi8ovd9j9q7u04ubujg9ac9@4ax.com...
>>> On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
>>>>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
>>>>designed.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
>>>>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
>>>>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
>>>>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
>>>>
>>>>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
>>>>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
>>>>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
>>>>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
>>>>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
>>>>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
>>>>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
>>>>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
>>>>forearm.
>>>>
>>>>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
>>>>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
>>>>unless they contol the pivot.
>>>
>>> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
>>> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
>>> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
>>> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
>>> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
>>> during the backswing.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>
>>I must disagree with you on many levels.
>>
>>I don't hold a swing thought.
>>
>>I have a swing thought process more than a single swing thought. A single
>>goal rules my mind throughout: Make proper contact. For me, It's a step by
>>step process of intermediate goals. Choose target, target chosen, go to
>>next
>>intermediate goal. Aim for target, target locked, go to next intermediate
>>goal. Grip club and align clubhead, done, go to next intermediate goal.
>>Etc
>>until the ball is thoroughly in the air.
>>
>>All these intermediate goals are practiced and put in sequence. Some
>>become
>>automatic and even become automatically correct.
>>
>>I think about my hands and what I'm about to do with them. I control the
>>club with my hands.
>>
>>I don't think about technique, I've thought about it enough during
>>practice.
>>I've practiced it enough that it's become automatic.
>>
>>
>>Martin Levac
>
> I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>
> Larry
I come in peace.
I may have replied to you directly but I've also satisfied the original
post's request.
I don't have a handicap.
A few days ago, I posted two clips taken earlier this month, check it out.
I will remind you that the explicit purpose of the handicap system is to
allow two or more players of different current ability to compete with each
other with reasonable fairness. I don't compete.
Martin Levac
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:13:10
From: larry
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
|
On Thu, 26 2006 16:52:54 -0400, "Martin Levac"
<vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca > wrote:
>
>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>news:f1q1k2lifk1kfdhsphfv23982f5oh7u8ob@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 26 2006 02:07:26 -0400, "Martin Levac"
>> <vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>>>news:c3avj2hj8l5oi8ovd9j9q7u04ubujg9ac9@4ax.com...
>>>> On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
>>>>>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
>>>>>designed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
>>>>>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
>>>>>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
>>>>>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
>>>>>
>>>>>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
>>>>>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
>>>>>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
>>>>>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
>>>>>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
>>>>>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
>>>>>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
>>>>>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
>>>>>forearm.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
>>>>>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
>>>>>unless they contol the pivot.
>>>>
>>>> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
>>>> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
>>>> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
>>>> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
>>>> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
>>>> during the backswing.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>
>>>I must disagree with you on many levels.
>>>
>>>I don't hold a swing thought.
>>>
>>>I have a swing thought process more than a single swing thought. A single
>>>goal rules my mind throughout: Make proper contact. For me, It's a step by
>>>step process of intermediate goals. Choose target, target chosen, go to
>>>next
>>>intermediate goal. Aim for target, target locked, go to next intermediate
>>>goal. Grip club and align clubhead, done, go to next intermediate goal.
>>>Etc
>>>until the ball is thoroughly in the air.
>>>
>>>All these intermediate goals are practiced and put in sequence. Some
>>>become
>>>automatic and even become automatically correct.
>>>
>>>I think about my hands and what I'm about to do with them. I control the
>>>club with my hands.
>>>
>>>I don't think about technique, I've thought about it enough during
>>>practice.
>>>I've practiced it enough that it's become automatic.
>>>
>>>
>>>Martin Levac
>>
>> I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
>> level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>>
>> Larry
>
>I come in peace.
>
>I may have replied to you directly but I've also satisfied the original
>post's request.
>
>I don't have a handicap.
>
>A few days ago, I posted two clips taken earlier this month, check it out.
>
>I will remind you that the explicit purpose of the handicap system is to
>allow two or more players of different current ability to compete with each
>other with reasonable fairness. I don't compete.
>
>
>Martin Levac
Peaceful intent accepted!!!
I asked your handicap because after golfers attain a reasonably good
movement-- they advance in scoring ability by becoming consistent.
Consistency is mental-- dependent upon our ability to do it correctly
again, and again, and under the pressure of a bet or a tournament. The
champions I have talked to (and those I have read about) consciously
grip and setup, align, etc. and then go into a mental "zone" wherein
they call up a mental approach, a concept, that they know will always
work. If you were a really good golfer, I wanted to know your swing
thought.
Larry
>
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 23:18:33
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
|
In article <uuf2k252gl4v131mtron6tbq1jsngojvao@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 26 2006 16:52:54 -0400, "Martin Levac"
> <vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> >news:f1q1k2lifk1kfdhsphfv23982f5oh7u8ob@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 26 2006 02:07:26 -0400, "Martin Levac"
> >> <vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:c3avj2hj8l5oi8ovd9j9q7u04ubujg9ac9@4ax.com...
> >>>> On 25 2006 10:27:32 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>There is no single 'correct way' to move the golf club. But there are
> >>>>>proper mechanics which allow us to use the club the way it was
> >>>>>designed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Regarding the take away: you guys can stick with that shoulder turn
> >>>>>takeaway if you want, but that is not a good idea, in my opinion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There is a procedure that is superior to the shoulders flapping the
> >>>>>hands back and through. It is called the right forearm takeaway. It
> >>>>>is the core idea behind a hands controlled pivot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>A shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands. The body pivot
> >>>>>moves the hands. You have the option of swinging like this. I choose
> >>>>>the superior method. My hands are the command post for my swing. They
> >>>>>monitor and guide every action. Especially from the takeaway. I want
> >>>>>to bend my right wrist, then use my right forearm to take everything to
> >>>>>the top by bending my right elbow. This will flatten and cock the left
> >>>>>wrist. This gets me to the top without any turning of the hips or
> >>>>>shoulders. The hips and shoulders just respond to the pull of my right
> >>>>>forearm.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This is the basis of a hands controlled pivot. It is very desirable.
> >>>>>This is the basis of educated hands. Your hands are not educated
> >>>>>unless they contol the pivot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
> >>>> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
> >>>> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
> >>>> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
> >>>> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
> >>>> during the backswing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>I must disagree with you on many levels.
> >>>
> >>>I don't hold a swing thought.
> >>>
> >>>I have a swing thought process more than a single swing thought. A single
> >>>goal rules my mind throughout: Make proper contact. For me, It's a step by
> >>>step process of intermediate goals. Choose target, target chosen, go to
> >>>next
> >>>intermediate goal. Aim for target, target locked, go to next intermediate
> >>>goal. Grip club and align clubhead, done, go to next intermediate goal.
> >>>Etc
> >>>until the ball is thoroughly in the air.
> >>>
> >>>All these intermediate goals are practiced and put in sequence. Some
> >>>become
> >>>automatic and even become automatically correct.
> >>>
> >>>I think about my hands and what I'm about to do with them. I control the
> >>>club with my hands.
> >>>
> >>>I don't think about technique, I've thought about it enough during
> >>>practice.
> >>>I've practiced it enough that it's become automatic.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Martin Levac
> >>
> >> I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> >> level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >I come in peace.
> >
> >I may have replied to you directly but I've also satisfied the original
> >post's request.
> >
> >I don't have a handicap.
> >
> >A few days ago, I posted two clips taken earlier this month, check it out.
> >
> >I will remind you that the explicit purpose of the handicap system is to
> >allow two or more players of different current ability to compete with each
> >other with reasonable fairness. I don't compete.
> >
> >
> >Martin Levac
>
> Peaceful intent accepted!!!
>
> I asked your handicap because after golfers attain a reasonably good
> movement-- they advance in scoring ability by becoming consistent.
So you're still waiting, then?
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:13:12
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
|
Larry,
What are your thoughts on the takeaway, and getting to the top ?
Have you ever tried a right forearm takeaway ?
larry wrote:
> On 25 2006 13:05:14 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> We all know how the hands should work during the swing. But
> experienced golfers know that consciousness of the hands during the
> swing is deadly poison--the path to erratic inconsistency. Hence
> Gene Littler's strong admonition, "the hands have no role in the golf
> swing." They call him "Gene the Machine" because he hasn't missed a
> fairway since the 60s. He thinks that accuracy accrues from swinging
> with "dead hands." I know at least two other golf champions who
> agree with him. Likely they all do.
>
> We get our hands to do what is necessary during the golf swing
> indirectly, we make the big muscles work in the right sequence and the
> hands do their thing without conscious manipulation.
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 18:26:51
From: larry
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
|
On 25 2006 17:13:12 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Larry,
>
>What are your thoughts on the takeaway, and getting to the top ?
>
>Have you ever tried a right forearm takeaway ?
What all golfers (who become good players) learn is to quit
experimenting when they finally have something that works.
I have something that works. I can play scratch golf with this and I
can do it without need to practice or beat balls on the range. I
don't need to maintain timing from a poor swing with hand action.
So, I am not gonna do anything but keep doing this and get better at
short game.
See ya out there. I will be in the Championship flight.
Larry
>larry wrote:
>> On 25 2006 13:05:14 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> We all know how the hands should work during the swing. But
>> experienced golfers know that consciousness of the hands during the
>> swing is deadly poison--the path to erratic inconsistency. Hence
>> Gene Littler's strong admonition, "the hands have no role in the golf
>> swing." They call him "Gene the Machine" because he hasn't missed a
>> fairway since the 60s. He thinks that accuracy accrues from swinging
>> with "dead hands." I know at least two other golf champions who
>> agree with him. Likely they all do.
>>
>> We get our hands to do what is necessary during the golf swing
>> indirectly, we make the big muscles work in the right sequence and the
>> hands do their thing without conscious manipulation.
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 02:28:32
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
|
larry wrote:
> I can play scratch golf with this
With your swing, you couldn't play scratch golf to save yourself.
I'd invite you to play at my course (strict R&A competition rules of
course). It's only 5800 yards, par 70, but it's narrow. To play to
scratch you'd need to shoot the ACR, which is 67, and beat the course
record by a shot.
Bet you wouldn't even break 80.
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
------------------------------------------------------------------
Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 19:46:34
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
|
"Colin Wilson" <nowhere@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:k3V%g.53160$rP1.20810@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> larry wrote:
>
>> I can play scratch golf with this
>
> With your swing, you couldn't play scratch golf to save yourself.
>
> I'd invite you to play at my course (strict R&A competition rules of
> course). It's only 5800 yards, par 70, but it's narrow. To play to scratch
> you'd need to shoot the ACR, which is 67, and beat the course record by a
> shot.
>
> Bet you wouldn't even break 80.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Colin Wilson
Bet he won't respond.
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 03:15:20
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
|
glfnaz wrote:
> Bet he won't respond.
Of course not. He's all wind.
Actually, if he wanted to play to scratch on my piddly little course,
he'd have to shoot 66 (or better) every second or third time he played.
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Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 22:26:21
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Thu, 26 2006 03:15:20 GMT, Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com >
wrote:
>glfnaz wrote:
>
>> Bet he won't respond.
>
>Of course not. He's all wind.
>
>Actually, if he wanted to play to scratch on my piddly little course,
>he'd have to shoot 66 (or better) every second or third time he played.
The more I read LLLLLarrry's posts the more I honestly feel that he's
reached senility at a much too early age. He can't possibly believe
what he says about his game, swing or abilities. I'm starting to feel
sorry for him. It's too sad to laugh at him anymore.
___,
\o
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 04:05:04
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> He can't possibly believe
> what he says about his game, swing or abilities.
He doesn't. He's even shit at trolling.
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Colin Wilson
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 08:14:39
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> Bet he won't respond.
>
>
> Of course not. He's all wind.
>
> Actually, if he wanted to play to scratch on my piddly little course,
> he'd have to shoot 66 (or better) every second or third time he played.
>
I don't think llarry will play Colin. He plays under USGA Rules and
playing under R&A Rules would put him at a disadvantage..............
;-p
David
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 01:54:42
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Wed, 25 2006 18:26:51 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>What all golfers (who become good players) learn is to quit
>experimenting when they finally have something that works.
I wonder when Tiger will reach that level.
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 13:05:14
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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I disagree.
No matter where your thoughts are, if you are thinking about casting or
decelerating before impact you will do a good job of achieving that
every time. You interpret the idea of monitoring the hands as swinging
with the hands. There is a big difference.
If you have educated hands, and constantly monitor them good things
will happen to that golf ball. Ben Hogan said the grip is the
heartbeat of the swing. Our hands are the only connection we have
between the club and our bodies. If you do not know how the hands
should work during the swing, you will have a hard time making them
work correctly to produce a sound golf swing.
larry wrote:
>
> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
> during the backswing.
>
> Larry
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:04:49
From: larry
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On 25 2006 13:05:14 -0700, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>I disagree.
>
>No matter where your thoughts are, if you are thinking about casting or
>decelerating before impact you will do a good job of achieving that
>every time. You interpret the idea of monitoring the hands as swinging
>with the hands. There is a big difference.
>
>If you have educated hands, and constantly monitor them good things
>will happen to that golf ball. Ben Hogan said the grip is the
>heartbeat of the swing. Our hands are the only connection we have
>between the club and our bodies. If you do not know how the hands
>should work during the swing, you will have a hard time making them
>work correctly to produce a sound golf swing.
We all know how the hands should work during the swing. But
experienced golfers know that consciousness of the hands during the
swing is deadly poison--the path to erratic inconsistency. Hence
Gene Littler's strong admonition, "the hands have no role in the golf
swing." They call him "Gene the Machine" because he hasn't missed a
fairway since the 60s. He thinks that accuracy accrues from swinging
with "dead hands." I know at least two other golf champions who
agree with him. Likely they all do.
We get our hands to do what is necessary during the golf swing
indirectly, we make the big muscles work in the right sequence and the
hands do their thing without conscious manipulation.
larry
>
>
>larry wrote:
>>
>> Whew! Show me a guy conscious of his hands during the golf swing and
>> I will show you mishit after mishit, coupled with casting and
>> deceleration before impact. We can hold only one effective swing
>> thought during the golf swing. Consequently, NO GOOD GOLFER allows
>> his mind to stray to his hands, wrists, elbow, or any other body part
>> during the backswing.
>>
>> Larry
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 18:16:02
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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larry wrote:
> On Thu, 26 2006 22:05:53 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 26 2006 09:55:02 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> >>level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
> >
> >Should we disregard what people say who are not as good as scratch?
>
> Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
> Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
> with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
> don't know--yet.
>
> Larry
Larry,
Since you are only an 8 handicap and not scratch, I disregard what
you say.
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Date: 27 Oct 2006 01:17:43
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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In article <1161911762.528272.123130@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:
> larry wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 2006 22:05:53 GMT, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Thu, 26 2006 09:55:02 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> > >>level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
> > >
> > >Should we disregard what people say who are not as good as scratch?
> >
> > Pretty much-- since advanced golf is essentially all mental.
> > Elementary and intermediate golfers think it is physical, has to do
> > with mechanics, so I couldn't care less what they think. They simply
> > don't know--yet.
> >
> > Larry
>
> Larry,
> Since you are only an 8 handicap and not scratch, I disregard what
> you say.
He's not an 8 and he never has been. He's a 9 if you take his handicap
at face value.
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 20:22:48
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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On Fri, 27 2006 01:17:43 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net >
wrote:
>In article <1161911762.528272.123130@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> larry wrote:
>> > >>I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
>> > >>level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>> > Larry
>>
>> Larry,
>> Since you are only an 8 handicap and not scratch, I disregard what
>> you say.
>
>He's not an 8 and he never has been. He's a 9 if you take his handicap
>at face value.
That's if you believe that his entries are more truthful than his
posts to RSG.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 14:12:56
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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> I could not care less what you think about-- unless you are a scratch
> level tournament golfer. What is your handicap?
>
> Larry
If you dismiss all opinions except those of a scratch level tournament
golfer, then you're missing a lot.
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Date: 26 Oct 2006 14:10:42
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Takeaway Swing thought
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> I have something that works. I can play scratch golf with this and I
> can do it without need to practice or beat balls on the range. I
> don't need to maintain timing from a poor swing with hand action.
>
> So, I am not gonna do anything but keep doing this and get better at
> short game.
>
> See ya out there. I will be in the Championship flight.
>
> Larry
You're playing scratch golf now? Wow, you sure are improving quickly!
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