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Date: 17 Dec 2006 21:43:19
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Status of a Dog?
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My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
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jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 21:28:48
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > writes:
> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>
> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
I think you recently wasted $175 if he's giving you answers
like that.
--
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Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:55:35
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On 17 Dec 2006 21:28:48 -0600, Aress Gee
<invalid@not_real_address.com > wrote:
>John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> writes:
>
>> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
>> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
>> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
>> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>>
>> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
>> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
>> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
>> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
>> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
>
>I think you recently wasted $175 if he's giving you answers
>like that.
That's what I tried to tell him at dinner last night but he was
convinced.
I just put this on his desk and he's think that since I brought the
dog and likely trained it to move my ball closer to the hole then I
should be penalized.
I think he's developing alzheimer's.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:50:53
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > writes:
> On 17 Dec 2006 21:28:48 -0600, Aress Gee
> <invalid@not_real_address.com> wrote:
>
> >John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> writes:
> >
> >> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> >> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> >> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> >> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
> >>
> >> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> >> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> >> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> >> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> >> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
> >
> >I think you recently wasted $175 if he's giving you answers
> >like that.
>
> That's what I tried to tell him at dinner last night but he was
> convinced.
>
> I just put this on his desk and he's think that since I brought the
> dog and likely trained it to move my ball closer to the hole then I
> should be penalized.
>
> I think he's developing alzheimer's.
I think he's developing "a little knowledge is a
dangerous thing" syndrome.
Ask your dad to explain to you *how* you would benefit
from the dog (outside agency) moving the ball,
whether at rest (Rule 18-1), or in motion (Rule 19-1),
nearer to the hole.
--
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Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 02:51:55
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>
> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
>
> Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
Can't be anything but an outside agency. Replace with no penalty.
When we had an RSG outing here in Jackson once, Eric was putting while we
were being harassed by a young (*ENERGETIC*) Jack Russell Terrier that
stuck it's nose into the hole during Eric's putt...so what happens if Eric
had hit the mutt with the putt, preventing the putt from going into the
hole?
I had a dog take a ball off the green and swallow it once, long before
anyone got there to know precisely where the ball was. What's the ruling
there?
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 22:48:34
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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In article <4586003E.94FBB560@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:
> John van der Pflum wrote:
>
> > My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> > discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> > I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> > heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
> >
> > We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> > he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> > outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> > that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> > be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
> >
> > Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
>
> Can't be anything but an outside agency. Replace with no penalty.
>
> When we had an RSG outing here in Jackson once, Eric was putting while we
> were being harassed by a young (*ENERGETIC*) Jack Russell Terrier that
> stuck it's nose into the hole during Eric's putt...so what happens if Eric
> had hit the mutt with the putt, preventing the putt from going into the
> hole?
>
> I had a dog take a ball off the green and swallow it once, long before
> anyone got there to know precisely where the ball was. What's the ruling
> there?
Play it where it lies.
William Clark
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:42:56
From: Hunt
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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In article <4586003E.94FBB560@att.net >, DBID@att.net says...
>
>
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>
>> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
>> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
>> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
>> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>>
>> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
>> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
>> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
>> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
>> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
>>
>> Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
>
>Can't be anything but an outside agency. Replace with no penalty.
>
>When we had an RSG outing here in Jackson once, Eric was putting while we
>were being harassed by a young (*ENERGETIC*) Jack Russell Terrier that
>stuck it's nose into the hole during Eric's putt...so what happens if Eric
>had hit the mutt with the putt, preventing the putt from going into the
>hole?
>
>I had a dog take a ball off the green and swallow it once, long before
>anyone got there to know precisely where the ball was. What's the ruling
>there?
I think that you might have to follow the pooch for a day, or so, and see
where the ball comes to rest, though your playing partners and any group
behind you might decide to "play through." Hey, that term might also work for
the dog's digestive system... or maybe not. I do not know if you get to "lift
& clean" though.
Hunt
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 06:04:29
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote in message
news:acvbo2lboics7qmi83i2it54rgqicp989g@4ax.com...
> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>
> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
>
> Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
> --
>
> jvdp
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
I would have to agree with you under the outside agency rule. I recall a few
years ago at the players championship a bird picked up a ball on the 17th
green and dropped it in the water. The player was allowed to place a new
ball at the closest possible spot as could be determined by the officials
and onlookers without penalty.
But have to say as a ranger at my course I hate people bringing their dogs.
They (the dogs) crap on the course and the owners dont clean it up...just a
thought :-)
Bill
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 08:56:08
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 06:04:29 -0500, "Bill" <bill@home.com > wrote:
>
>"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote in message
>news:acvbo2lboics7qmi83i2it54rgqicp989g@4ax.com...
>> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
>> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
>> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
>> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>>
>> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
>> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
>> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
>> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
>> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
>>
>> Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
>> --
>>
>> jvdp
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
>I would have to agree with you under the outside agency rule. I recall a few
>years ago at the players championship a bird picked up a ball on the 17th
>green and dropped it in the water. The player was allowed to place a new
>ball at the closest possible spot as could be determined by the officials
>and onlookers without penalty.
>
>But have to say as a ranger at my course I hate people bringing their dogs.
>They (the dogs) crap on the course and the owners dont clean it up...just a
>thought :-)
>
>Bill
>
Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:19:46
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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Birdie Bill wrote:
>
> Hank soon had the dogs fenced in pens. And there WAS
> a lawsuit.
That explains the retarded swing alignment gimmick he is now hawking!
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 20:50:24
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote ...
> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>
> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
>
> Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
> --
>
> jvdp
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
There was a course I played where one of the rangers rode around with his
dog every day.
At Brookhaven GC in Dallas, there was a guy who lived in a house behind one
of the greens, and every aftternoon, he and his dog would be out there
chipping. Well, he would be chipping, and the dog would be retrieving his
golf balls. Very well-trained.
Legend had it that there was a golden retriever that lived in one of the
houses along the right side of the 8th hole at Trophy Club here in
Alpharetta, GA who would occasionally dart out into the fairway, pick up a
golf ball, and bring it back to his back yard. I'd played there a few years
and never actually saw it happen, so I didn't really believe the story. Then
one day about a year ago, I saw it with my own eyes. The dog had actually
collected enough balls to pile them up in one nice, neat pile in the woods
between his back yard and the fairway. I don't know whether he was selling
them or not. I was afraid to get close enough to the golf balls to find
out, and I didn't figure he could make change. Now THAT would be a good
trick!
Randy
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 11:39:36
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Dec 18, 7:56 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
>
> Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
You should check with the proshop first before bringing your dog.
Some courses don't allow them because of insurance rules.
I know a guy who had to leave his dog tied up to his
car bumper while he played, even though the course owner
had two big yellow labs which roamed the course at will.
Not sure why the owner's dogs were exempt, but the
insurance company had a rule that no players could
bring a dog along with them.
Hank Haney used to have several large dogs wandering freely
around his "Golf Ranch" north of Dallas. Until the day that
Cargo, the sweetest big old sheepdog you can imagine, bit
a little girl in the face. The girl made the mistake of trying
to hug Cargo while Cargo was finishing off an ice cream
cone the girl dropped on the ground. I was there
to see it happen.
Hank soon had the dogs fenced in pens. And there WAS
a lawsuit.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 16:09:26
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On 18 Dec 2006 11:39:36 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>On Dec 18, 7:56 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>wrote:
>>
>> Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
>
>You should check with the proshop first before bringing your dog.
>Some courses don't allow them because of insurance rules.
>I know a guy who had to leave his dog tied up to his
>car bumper while he played, even though the course owner
>had two big yellow labs which roamed the course at will.
>Not sure why the owner's dogs were exempt, but the
>insurance company had a rule that no players could
>bring a dog along with them.
>
>Hank Haney used to have several large dogs wandering freely
>around his "Golf Ranch" north of Dallas. Until the day that
>Cargo, the sweetest big old sheepdog you can imagine, bit
>a little girl in the face. The girl made the mistake of trying
>to hug Cargo while Cargo was finishing off an ice cream
>cone the girl dropped on the ground. I was there
>to see it happen.
>
>Hank soon had the dogs fenced in pens. And there WAS
>a lawsuit.
Oh, I would get in touch with the course, definitely. It would be
rude just to show out and expect to have the dog allowed out.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 15:37:44
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:09:26 -0500, John van der Pflum
<nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote:
>On 18 Dec 2006 11:39:36 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
><bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>On Dec 18, 7:56 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
>>
>>You should check with the proshop first before bringing your dog.
>>Some courses don't allow them because of insurance rules.
>>I know a guy who had to leave his dog tied up to his
>>car bumper while he played,
<clip >
>Oh, I would get in touch with the course, definitely. It would be
>rude just to show out and expect to have the dog allowed out.
You could always do what the asshole above did and tie your dog to
your car bumper. NOT !
___,
\o
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 17:15:14
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:37:44 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:09:26 -0500, John van der Pflum
><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>
>>On 18 Dec 2006 11:39:36 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
>><bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Dec 18, 7:56 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
>>>
>>>You should check with the proshop first before bringing your dog.
>>>Some courses don't allow them because of insurance rules.
>>>I know a guy who had to leave his dog tied up to his
>>>car bumper while he played,
><clip>
>>Oh, I would get in touch with the course, definitely. It would be
>>rude just to show out and expect to have the dog allowed out.
>
>You could always do what the asshole above did and tie your dog to
>your car bumper. NOT !
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 18:59:05
From: TheHack
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote in
news:hm4eo2dap7dk213gqe3h0per5o4j4kmq5j@4ax.com:
>>"Someone likes every shot"!
>>bk
>
> True! I'd just lock him in the car with the windows cracked just a
> little bit. Duh.
> --
>
> jvdp
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
How about this ?
http://masl.to/?Y3DE4246E
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 09:06:29
From: johnty
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> John van der Pflum wrote:
>
> > My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> > discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> > I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> > heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
> >
> > We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> > he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> > outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> > that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> > be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
> >
> > Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
>
> Can't be anything but an outside agency. Replace with no penalty.
>
> When we had an RSG outing here in Jackson once, Eric was putting while we
> were being harassed by a young (*ENERGETIC*) Jack Russell Terrier that
> stuck it's nose into the hole during Eric's putt...so what happens if Eric
> had hit the mutt with the putt, preventing the putt from going into the
> hole?
Rule 19-1b. Eric gets another putt.
>
> I had a dog take a ball off the green and swallow it once, long before
> anyone got there to know precisely where the ball was. What's the ruling
> there?
Rule 18-1 (and dec 18-1/5). Make your best guess at the spot,
substitute ball allowed.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:42:05
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Dec 19, 10:25 am, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 05:19:46 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
> <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Dec 18, 3:37 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:09:26 -0500, John van der Pflum
>
> >> <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org> wrote:
> >> >On 18 Dec 2006 11:39:36 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
> >> ><bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>On Dec 18, 7:56 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
> >> >>wrote:
>
> >> >>> Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
>
> >> >>You should check with the proshop first before bringing your dog.
> >> >>Some courses don't allow them because of insurance rules.
> >> >>I know a guy who had to leave his dog tied up to his
> >> >>car bumper while he played,
> >> <clip>
> >> >Oh, I would get in touch with the course, definitely. It would be
> >> >rude just to show out and expect to have the dog allowed out. You could always do what the asshole above did and tie your dog to
> >> your car bumper. NOT !
>
> >Maybe I should have gone into more detail on how he did it, and the
> >nature of the course
> >and parking lot, etc., but the dog was in a safe place on a grassy
> >area, and not a nuisance
> >to anyone.Not worried about him being a nuisance. He's tied to a car, and has
> plenty of water? No problem with other dogs in the area attacking
> him, when he's tethered with limited defense? Someone walks up to pet
> him, and since he's pissed he bites them? Available for someone to
> just undo him and split? ( Lately there have been several instances in
> this area of dogs being taken, and then returned for the rewards
> offered). It was just a bad idea for you buddy, Bill.
Sorry, but you'd have to know the course, neighborhood, and dog
to understand, but the dog was really in no danger of any of those
things happening. But keep imagining things.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:14:36
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On 19 Dec 2006 08:42:05 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
>> You could always do what the asshole above did and tie your dog to
>> >> your car bumper. NOT !
>>
>> >Maybe I should have gone into more detail on how he did it, and the
>> >nature of the course
>> >and parking lot, etc., but the dog was in a safe place on a grassy
>> >area, and not a nuisance
>> >to anyone.Not worried about him being a nuisance. He's tied to a car, and has
>> plenty of water? No problem with other dogs in the area attacking
>> him, when he's tethered with limited defense? Someone walks up to pet
>> him, and since he's pissed he bites them? Available for someone to
>> just undo him and split? ( Lately there have been several instances in
>> this area of dogs being taken, and then returned for the rewards
>> offered). It was just a bad idea for you buddy, Bill.
>
>Sorry, but you'd have to know the course, neighborhood, and dog
>to understand, but the dog was really in no danger of any of those
>things happening. But keep imagining things.
C'mon Bill. That kind of thinking is like "I'll just be a second, and
leave my two year old in the car while I get some milk, it's not that
hot".
Those aren't imagined things, they're all possibilities. But then you
and your bud may not have much attachment to dogs.
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 14:58:57
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> On Dec 18, 8:19 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
> > Birdie Bill wrote:
> >
> > > Hank soon had the dogs fenced in pens. And there WAS
> > > a lawsuit.That explains the retarded swing alignment gimmick he is now hawking!
>
> I haven't seen that one. You must be watching too much
> Golf Channel.
Came on just following the SA Open last week. It's two sticks used to form a cross,
like you'd do with 2 clubs. A PT Barnum special!
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 05:22:16
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Dec 18, 8:19 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net > wrote:
> Birdie Bill wrote:
>
> > Hank soon had the dogs fenced in pens. And there WAS
> > a lawsuit.That explains the retarded swing alignment gimmick he is now hawking!
I haven't seen that one. You must be watching too much
Golf Channel.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 05:19:46
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Dec 18, 3:37 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:09:26 -0500, John van der Pflum
>
> <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org> wrote:
> >On 18 Dec 2006 11:39:36 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
> ><bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Dec 18, 7:56 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>> Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
>
> >>You should check with the proshop first before bringing your dog.
> >>Some courses don't allow them because of insurance rules.
> >>I know a guy who had to leave his dog tied up to his
> >>car bumper while he played,
> <clip>
> >Oh, I would get in touch with the course, definitely. It would be
> >rude just to show out and expect to have the dog allowed out. You could always do what the asshole above did and tie your dog to
> your car bumper. NOT !
Maybe I should have gone into more detail on how he did it, and the
nature of the course
and parking lot, etc., but the dog was in a safe place on a grassy
area, and not a nuisance
to anyone.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 10:25:44
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On 19 Dec 2006 05:19:46 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>On Dec 18, 3:37 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:09:26 -0500, John van der Pflum
>>
>> <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org> wrote:
>> >On 18 Dec 2006 11:39:36 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
>> ><bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Dec 18, 7:56 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org>
>> >>wrote:
>>
>> >>> Well, those people who don't clean up after their dogs are jerks.
>>
>> >>You should check with the proshop first before bringing your dog.
>> >>Some courses don't allow them because of insurance rules.
>> >>I know a guy who had to leave his dog tied up to his
>> >>car bumper while he played,
>> <clip>
>> >Oh, I would get in touch with the course, definitely. It would be
>> >rude just to show out and expect to have the dog allowed out. You could always do what the asshole above did and tie your dog to
>> your car bumper. NOT !
>
>Maybe I should have gone into more detail on how he did it, and the
>nature of the course
>and parking lot, etc., but the dog was in a safe place on a grassy
>area, and not a nuisance
>to anyone.
Not worried about him being a nuisance. He's tied to a car, and has
plenty of water? No problem with other dogs in the area attacking
him, when he's tethered with limited defense? Someone walks up to pet
him, and since he's pissed he bites them? Available for someone to
just undo him and split? ( Lately there have been several instances in
this area of dogs being taken, and then returned for the rewards
offered). It was just a bad idea for you buddy, Bill.
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:20:55
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On Dec 19, 11:14 am, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 08:42:05 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
>
>
>
>
>
> <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> You could always do what the asshole above did and tie your dog to
> >> >> your car bumper. NOT !
>
> >> >Maybe I should have gone into more detail on how he did it, and the
> >> >nature of the course
> >> >and parking lot, etc., but the dog was in a safe place on a grassy
> >> >area, and not a nuisance
> >> >to anyone.Not worried about him being a nuisance. He's tied to a car, and has
> >> plenty of water? No problem with other dogs in the area attacking
> >> him, when he's tethered with limited defense? Someone walks up to pet
> >> him, and since he's pissed he bites them? Available for someone to
> >> just undo him and split? ( Lately there have been several instances in
> >> this area of dogs being taken, and then returned for the rewards
> >> offered). It was just a bad idea for you buddy, Bill.
>
> >Sorry, but you'd have to know the course, neighborhood, and dog
> >to understand, but the dog was really in no danger of any of those
> >things happening. But keep imagining things.C'mon Bill. That kind of thinking is like "I'll just be a second, and
> leave my two year old in the car while I get some milk, it's not that
> hot".
>
> Those aren't imagined things, they're all possibilities. But then you
> and your bud may not have much attachment to dogs.
LOL.
OK Bobby, so since you know so much about what happened,
let me ask you:
- what breed of dog was it?
- what was the temperature?
- how long was the dog left tied up?
- how private was the location where the dog was left?
- what was the nature of the community that the golf
course is located in?
Do you think these factors may make a difference?
But OK, keep hurling the insults.
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:05:04
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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On 19 Dec 2006 21:20:55 -0800, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>LOL.
>
>OK Bobby, so since you know so much about what happened,
>let me ask you:
>- what breed of dog was it?
>- what was the temperature?
>- how long was the dog left tied up?
>- how private was the location where the dog was left?
>- what was the nature of the community that the golf
>course is located in?
>
>Do you think these factors may make a difference?
>
>But OK, keep hurling the insults.
No insult intended to you Bill. At best, It was a stupid thing for
your friend to do. Period.
___,
\o
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:59:28
From: bianca.binky09@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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well i too got a dog and about two weeks after i got him, my boyfriend
and I wanted to go play a round of golf. As we were getting ready to
leave he is standing by the door and gives us those puppy eyes that all
dog owners hate but love. So we called the golf course to see if we
could take him, they sad it was cool just as along as he doesn't damage
the course. At about the 16th hole me boyfriend's old school mate saw
us and wanted to join. His name was John and as he was teeing off the
dog stands in front of him and takes the ball right off the tee LOL.
The manager was driving by and John , my boyfriends friend, got mad and
asked the manager what the rules were... The manager said that the
ball could be replace with no penalty in a situation like that. Did
the manager know what he was talking about... I Dont Know
John van der Pflum wrote:
> My father fancies himself a rules expert and we were having a
> discussion today. I recently got a new dog who is very well behaved.
> I thought it would be fun to take him with me on the course, as I've
> heard they do a lot on the other side of the pond.
>
> We talked about what that status of the dog would be under the ROG if
> he grabbed a ball and moved it. I thought he would be considered an
> outside agency and the ball could be replaced w/o penalty. He thought
> that the dog would be considered my caddie/assistant and that I would
> be assessed various penalties under Rule 18.
>
> Personally, I think my father is crazy. Thoughts?
> --
>
> jvdp
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 18:13:54
From: carl llewellyn
Subject: Re: Status of a Dog?
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Who is paying for the round of golf?
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