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Date: 19 Aug 2006 09:52:02
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Rules of labels on shafts?
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Exceprt from recent USGA Rule of the Week:
".......Rule 1a, Appendix II discusses the general rules affecting all
clubs, whether a wood, iron or putter. Among other things, Rule 1a,
Appendix II states that the club must have no external attachments,
except as otherwise permitted by the Rules. Presently, the USGA
considers the attachment of anything to the head, shaft or grip of a
club to be an external attachment, including practically any item or
material attached to the clubface (see also, Rule 4-2b which prohibits
application of foreign material to the clubface, such as saliva, grass
juice, chalk, aerosol spray, or similar substances, for the purpose of
affecting the ball's performance).
Of course, as with many Rules, exceptions exist. With respect to the
prohibition against external attachments, the USGA has recognized that
certain items should be permitted. For example, decals for
identification are permitted. A player who wishes to create a label
with their name and address and place it on the club shaft may do so.
Manufacturers' product identification labels are also permitted.
However, a player may not place any other information on such a label
or place a label on the shaft which might assist the player in gauging
conditions, such as a decal for plumb-bobbing, assisting with swing
tempo, etc. ......"
Does this mean that Dave Pelz's suggestion to put a label on the shaft
showing how far you carry and roll each of your wedges is illegal or
am I reading something wrong?
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 09:05:09
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:43:48 -0500, fiveiron@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >I thought "scalping" was illegal, or should be. I'm paying $2.85 for
> >gasoline. Or is the right to "free enterprise" being overly exercised?
> >
> >And you are concerned about an innocent label on your golf shaft.:--)
> >
> >>mho
> >>v fe
> >
> >> "d R i V e L e $ s"
>
> What in the world are you talking about?
It would appear that he is trying to say "Who cares"... wrt to labels
on the shaft.
My anwer would be anyone that plays in tourneys where they could be
DQed... should care. Noone else need bother.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 09:43:48
From:
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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I thought "scalping" was illegal, or should be. I'm paying $2.85 for
gasoline. Or is the right to "free enterprise" being overly exercised?
And you are concerned about an innocent label on your golf shaft.:--)
>mho
>v fe
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0"d R i V e =A0L e $ s"
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 17:08:21
From: Big Clobby Bobber
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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Sniveling monkey.
Not even worthy of your species.
<fiveiron@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:13526-44E723A4-151@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
I thought "scalping" was illegal, or should be. I'm paying $2.85 for
gasoline. Or is the right to "free enterprise" being overly exercised?
And you are concerned about an innocent label on your golf shaft.:--)
>mho
>v fe
> "d R i V e L e $ s"
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 10:59:24
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:43:48 -0500, fiveiron@webtv.net wrote:
>I thought "scalping" was illegal, or should be. I'm paying $2.85 for
>gasoline. Or is the right to "free enterprise" being overly exercised?
>
>And you are concerned about an innocent label on your golf shaft.:--)
>
>>mho
>>v fe
>
>> "d R i V e L e $ s"
What in the world are you talking about?
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 10:24:30
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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If you can't remember how far you hit a club, how the hell do you mange to
get home at night?
"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote in message
news:gp5ee29hlsrq923v3l4jm0hap4p3d4keqk@4ax.com...
> Exceprt from recent USGA Rule of the Week:
>
> ".......Rule 1a, Appendix II discusses the general rules affecting all
> clubs, whether a wood, iron or putter. Among other things, Rule 1a,
> Appendix II states that the club must have no external attachments,
> except as otherwise permitted by the Rules. Presently, the USGA
> considers the attachment of anything to the head, shaft or grip of a
> club to be an external attachment, including practically any item or
> material attached to the clubface (see also, Rule 4-2b which prohibits
> application of foreign material to the clubface, such as saliva, grass
> juice, chalk, aerosol spray, or similar substances, for the purpose of
> affecting the ball's performance).
>
> Of course, as with many Rules, exceptions exist. With respect to the
> prohibition against external attachments, the USGA has recognized that
> certain items should be permitted. For example, decals for
> identification are permitted. A player who wishes to create a label
> with their name and address and place it on the club shaft may do so.
> Manufacturers' product identification labels are also permitted.
> However, a player may not place any other information on such a label
> or place a label on the shaft which might assist the player in gauging
> conditions, such as a decal for plumb-bobbing, assisting with swing
> tempo, etc. ......"
>
> Does this mean that Dave Pelz's suggestion to put a label on the shaft
> showing how far you carry and roll each of your wedges is illegal or
> am I reading something wrong?
>
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 10:51:29
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:24:30 -0400, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
>If you can't remember how far you hit a club, how the hell do you mange to
>get home at night?
Aside from not answering my question...............
Off the top of your head, how far you do carry and roll your:
PW w/ a 7:30 swing
PW w/ a 9:00 swing
PW w/ a 12:00 swing
GW w/ a 7:30 swing
GW w/ a 9:00 swing
GW w/ a 12:00 swing
SW w/ a 7:30 swing
SW w/ a 9:00 swing
SW w/ a 12:00 swing
LW w/ a 7:30 swing
LW w/ a 9:00 swing
LW w/ a 12:00 swing
FTR -- I'm not advocating or dismissing Pelz's wedge system. It works
for some people an not others.
>
>"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote in message
>news:gp5ee29hlsrq923v3l4jm0hap4p3d4keqk@4ax.com...
>> Exceprt from recent USGA Rule of the Week:
>>
>> ".......Rule 1a, Appendix II discusses the general rules affecting all
>> clubs, whether a wood, iron or putter. Among other things, Rule 1a,
>> Appendix II states that the club must have no external attachments,
>> except as otherwise permitted by the Rules. Presently, the USGA
>> considers the attachment of anything to the head, shaft or grip of a
>> club to be an external attachment, including practically any item or
>> material attached to the clubface (see also, Rule 4-2b which prohibits
>> application of foreign material to the clubface, such as saliva, grass
>> juice, chalk, aerosol spray, or similar substances, for the purpose of
>> affecting the ball's performance).
>>
>> Of course, as with many Rules, exceptions exist. With respect to the
>> prohibition against external attachments, the USGA has recognized that
>> certain items should be permitted. For example, decals for
>> identification are permitted. A player who wishes to create a label
>> with their name and address and place it on the club shaft may do so.
>> Manufacturers' product identification labels are also permitted.
>> However, a player may not place any other information on such a label
>> or place a label on the shaft which might assist the player in gauging
>> conditions, such as a decal for plumb-bobbing, assisting with swing
>> tempo, etc. ......"
>>
>> Does this mean that Dave Pelz's suggestion to put a label on the shaft
>> showing how far you carry and roll each of your wedges is illegal or
>> am I reading something wrong?
>>
>
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 13:09:33
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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Standard time or daylight savings?
"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote in message
news:j49ee2di1fg2a8f954871nrfc13jg78129@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:24:30 -0400, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote:
>
>>If you can't remember how far you hit a club, how the hell do you mange to
>>get home at night?
>
> Aside from not answering my question...............
>
> Off the top of your head, how far you do carry and roll your:
>
> PW w/ a 7:30 swing
> PW w/ a 9:00 swing
> PW w/ a 12:00 swing
>
> GW w/ a 7:30 swing
> GW w/ a 9:00 swing
> GW w/ a 12:00 swing
>
> SW w/ a 7:30 swing
> SW w/ a 9:00 swing
> SW w/ a 12:00 swing
>
> LW w/ a 7:30 swing
> LW w/ a 9:00 swing
> LW w/ a 12:00 swing
>
> FTR -- I'm not advocating or dismissing Pelz's wedge system. It works
> for some people an not others.
>
>>
>>"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote in message
>>news:gp5ee29hlsrq923v3l4jm0hap4p3d4keqk@4ax.com...
>>> Exceprt from recent USGA Rule of the Week:
>>>
>>> ".......Rule 1a, Appendix II discusses the general rules affecting all
>>> clubs, whether a wood, iron or putter. Among other things, Rule 1a,
>>> Appendix II states that the club must have no external attachments,
>>> except as otherwise permitted by the Rules. Presently, the USGA
>>> considers the attachment of anything to the head, shaft or grip of a
>>> club to be an external attachment, including practically any item or
>>> material attached to the clubface (see also, Rule 4-2b which prohibits
>>> application of foreign material to the clubface, such as saliva, grass
>>> juice, chalk, aerosol spray, or similar substances, for the purpose of
>>> affecting the ball's performance).
>>>
>>> Of course, as with many Rules, exceptions exist. With respect to the
>>> prohibition against external attachments, the USGA has recognized that
>>> certain items should be permitted. For example, decals for
>>> identification are permitted. A player who wishes to create a label
>>> with their name and address and place it on the club shaft may do so.
>>> Manufacturers' product identification labels are also permitted.
>>> However, a player may not place any other information on such a label
>>> or place a label on the shaft which might assist the player in gauging
>>> conditions, such as a decal for plumb-bobbing, assisting with swing
>>> tempo, etc. ......"
>>>
>>> Does this mean that Dave Pelz's suggestion to put a label on the shaft
>>> showing how far you carry and roll each of your wedges is illegal or
>>> am I reading something wrong?
>>>
>>
>
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 07:43:33
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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Yes.
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:09:33 -0400, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
>Standard time or daylight savings?
>
>"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote in message
>news:j49ee2di1fg2a8f954871nrfc13jg78129@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:24:30 -0400, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>If you can't remember how far you hit a club, how the hell do you mange to
>>>get home at night?
>>
>> Aside from not answering my question...............
>>
>> Off the top of your head, how far you do carry and roll your:
>>
>> PW w/ a 7:30 swing
>> PW w/ a 9:00 swing
>> PW w/ a 12:00 swing
>>
>> GW w/ a 7:30 swing
>> GW w/ a 9:00 swing
>> GW w/ a 12:00 swing
>>
>> SW w/ a 7:30 swing
>> SW w/ a 9:00 swing
>> SW w/ a 12:00 swing
>>
>> LW w/ a 7:30 swing
>> LW w/ a 9:00 swing
>> LW w/ a 12:00 swing
>>
>> FTR -- I'm not advocating or dismissing Pelz's wedge system. It works
>> for some people an not others.
>>
>>>
>>>"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote in message
>>>news:gp5ee29hlsrq923v3l4jm0hap4p3d4keqk@4ax.com...
>>>> Exceprt from recent USGA Rule of the Week:
>>>>
>>>> ".......Rule 1a, Appendix II discusses the general rules affecting all
>>>> clubs, whether a wood, iron or putter. Among other things, Rule 1a,
>>>> Appendix II states that the club must have no external attachments,
>>>> except as otherwise permitted by the Rules. Presently, the USGA
>>>> considers the attachment of anything to the head, shaft or grip of a
>>>> club to be an external attachment, including practically any item or
>>>> material attached to the clubface (see also, Rule 4-2b which prohibits
>>>> application of foreign material to the clubface, such as saliva, grass
>>>> juice, chalk, aerosol spray, or similar substances, for the purpose of
>>>> affecting the ball's performance).
>>>>
>>>> Of course, as with many Rules, exceptions exist. With respect to the
>>>> prohibition against external attachments, the USGA has recognized that
>>>> certain items should be permitted. For example, decals for
>>>> identification are permitted. A player who wishes to create a label
>>>> with their name and address and place it on the club shaft may do so.
>>>> Manufacturers' product identification labels are also permitted.
>>>> However, a player may not place any other information on such a label
>>>> or place a label on the shaft which might assist the player in gauging
>>>> conditions, such as a decal for plumb-bobbing, assisting with swing
>>>> tempo, etc. ......"
>>>>
>>>> Does this mean that Dave Pelz's suggestion to put a label on the shaft
>>>> showing how far you carry and roll each of your wedges is illegal or
>>>> am I reading something wrong?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 08:27:00
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> Yes.
I think, John, that in order to abvoid a possible penalty or DQ, you'd
be better off typing out your yardages/club/swing type, on a 4x6 card
and have it laminated. You could then attach it to your bag for easy
reference.
David
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 09:00:08
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:27:00 -0400, David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net >
wrote:
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> Yes.
>
>I think, John, that in order to abvoid a possible penalty or DQ, you'd
>be better off typing out your yardages/club/swing type, on a 4x6 card
>and have it laminated. You could then attach it to your bag for easy
>reference.
>
>David
FTR, David, I have no intention of doing this. I'm not a big Dave
Pelz fan but my dad is. I am pretty sure that those labels make the
clubs non-conforming.
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 09:09:58
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:27:00 -0400, David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>John van der Pflum wrote:
>>
>>>Yes.
>>
>>I think, John, that in order to abvoid a possible penalty or DQ, you'd
>>be better off typing out your yardages/club/swing type, on a 4x6 card
>>and have it laminated. You could then attach it to your bag for easy
>>reference.
>>
>>David
>
>
> FTR, David, I have no intention of doing this. I'm not a big Dave
> Pelz fan but my dad is. I am pretty sure that those labels make the
> clubs non-conforming.
Maybe you could do it for your Dad, then. Cheaper present than taking
hium to Bandon :-) :-) :-)
David
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Date: 20 Aug 2006 09:27:01
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:09:58 -0400, David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net >
wrote:
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:27:00 -0400, David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>John van der Pflum wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>I think, John, that in order to abvoid a possible penalty or DQ, you'd
>>>be better off typing out your yardages/club/swing type, on a 4x6 card
>>>and have it laminated. You could then attach it to your bag for easy
>>>reference.
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>
>> FTR, David, I have no intention of doing this. I'm not a big Dave
>> Pelz fan but my dad is. I am pretty sure that those labels make the
>> clubs non-conforming.
>
>Maybe you could do it for your Dad, then. Cheaper present than taking
>hium to Bandon :-) :-) :-)
>
>David
I'd rather take him to Bandon. Duh. ;-)
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 14:48:00
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Rules of labels on shafts?
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> Exceprt from recent USGA Rule of the Week:
>
> ".......Rule 1a, Appendix II discusses the general rules affecting all
> clubs, whether a wood, iron or putter. Among other things, Rule 1a,
> Appendix II states that the club must have no external attachments,
> except as otherwise permitted by the Rules. Presently, the USGA
> considers the attachment of anything to the head, shaft or grip of a
> club to be an external attachment, including practically any item or
> material attached to the clubface (see also, Rule 4-2b which prohibits
> application of foreign material to the clubface, such as saliva, grass
> juice, chalk, aerosol spray, or similar substances, for the purpose of
> affecting the ball's performance).
>
> Of course, as with many Rules, exceptions exist. With respect to the
> prohibition against external attachments, the USGA has recognized that
> certain items should be permitted. For example, decals for
> identification are permitted. A player who wishes to create a label
> with their name and address and place it on the club shaft may do so.
> Manufacturers' product identification labels are also permitted.
> However, a player may not place any other information on such a label
> or place a label on the shaft which might assist the player in gauging
> conditions, such as a decal for plumb-bobbing, assisting with swing
> tempo, etc. ......"
>
> Does this mean that Dave Pelz's suggestion to put a label on the shaft
> showing how far you carry and roll each of your wedges is illegal or
> am I reading something wrong?
It's perfectly legal, since the label is for informational purposes
only. The label does not affect the ball's performance, as required
in the rule you quoted.
Now, stick the label on the face of the club, and you'd have a
different story.
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