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Date: 12 Sep 2006 16:40:23
From: KnighT
Subject: Revisited: Solution to Off-Center hits from TGM
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I was poking around RSG today and came across this thread from March
2001. I am sure many of you are more familiar with TGM than I am, but
here is the section of the book for those who have not delved into the
ultimate golf swing resource (IMHO). In 2-J-1.Impact Alignments -
Homer Kelley describes a 'geometrically proper procedure to establish
the correct radius' at impact. Here is a breakdown:
1-Raise the clubhead to the desired impact relationship
2-Maintain the center of the arc (left shoulder) and hold the hands at
the height now established
3-Then, let the club swing down from the wrist to rest on the ground
4-Now apply extensor action (The right arm, I think....please correct
me if I am wrong) to stretch the left arm and get "as far away from the
ball as possible" without disturbing any impact fix alignments
He continues: 'so "Soled", the ball is toward the toe of the clubface,
but "on center" for Impact. All this is the geometry for a clean
pick-off.
I took out the book 'golf mind, golf body, golf swing' by Mike Hebron
from the library, and I can recall reading something where he said that
adressing the ball on the toe of the club gives an advantage. In that
book there are two pictures of Ben Hogan at address with short irons.
1/2 of the golf ball can be seen because the club is soled with ball at
the toe.
So....I took a piece of tape and slapped it right on the face of my 6
iron. I hit several shots with my usual address procedure of keeping
the clubface square behind the ball. They were what I thought to be
'solid' shots with no twisting of the club and a nice sound at impact.
But I was amazed that each shot was contacting the club toward the
heel. Is it possible that I have been playing golf with the hell of my
clubface ?
I said to myself: "Trust Homer....use his procedure." I cannot say
that I can use this procedure exactly as Homer intends it to be
used....but I made sure that the ball was on the toe of the club at
address. I put some trust into it, took one swing. Bam ! The feeling
was a new one at impact. The tape does not lie: The ball contacted the
clubface square in middle of the face.....Sweet spot ? I think so.
If is familiar with this TGM procedure of soling the golf club, please
share it with me because I do not fully understand how this procedure
ends up with the club at the toe, and the advantages of having the ball
addressed in this manner.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 20:58:04
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Revisited: Solution to Off-Center hits from TGM
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KnighT wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/browse_thread/thread/c0ad29d13f8a87e7/43a0d1b71d653214?lnk=st&q=tgm&rnum=5#43a0d1b71d653214
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> I was poking around RSG today and came across this thread from March
> 2001. I am sure many of you are more familiar with TGM than I am, but
> here is the section of the book for those who have not delved into the
> ultimate golf swing resource (IMHO). In 2-J-1.Impact Alignments -
> Homer Kelley describes a 'geometrically proper procedure to establish
> the correct radius' at impact. Here is a breakdown:
> 1-Raise the clubhead to the desired impact relationship
> 2-Maintain the center of the arc (left shoulder) and hold the hands at
> the height now established
> 3-Then, let the club swing down from the wrist to rest on the ground
> 4-Now apply extensor action (The right arm, I think....please correct
> me if I am wrong) to stretch the left arm and get "as far away from the
> ball as possible" without disturbing any impact fix alignments
>
> He continues: 'so "Soled", the ball is toward the toe of the clubface,
> but "on center" for Impact. All this is the geometry for a clean
> pick-off.
>
> I took out the book 'golf mind, golf body, golf swing' by Mike Hebron
> from the library, and I can recall reading something where he said that
> adressing the ball on the toe of the club gives an advantage. In that
> book there are two pictures of Ben Hogan at address with short irons.
> 1/2 of the golf ball can be seen because the club is soled with ball at
> the toe.
>
> So....I took a piece of tape and slapped it right on the face of my 6
> iron. I hit several shots with my usual address procedure of keeping
> the clubface square behind the ball. They were what I thought to be
> 'solid' shots with no twisting of the club and a nice sound at impact.
> But I was amazed that each shot was contacting the club toward the
> heel. Is it possible that I have been playing golf with the hell of my
> clubface ?
>
> I said to myself: "Trust Homer....use his procedure." I cannot say
> that I can use this procedure exactly as Homer intends it to be
> used....but I made sure that the ball was on the toe of the club at
> address. I put some trust into it, took one swing. Bam ! The feeling
> was a new one at impact. The tape does not lie: The ball contacted the
> clubface square in middle of the face.....Sweet spot ? I think so.
>
>
> If is familiar with this TGM procedure of soling the golf club, please
> share it with me because I do not fully understand how this procedure
> ends up with the club at the toe, and the advantages of having the ball
> addressed in this manner.
Even though you may have a clear idea about how to swing the golf
club, it is quite likely that you are not actually doing what you think
you are doing. If you look at your swing frame by frame on video,
you will see what I mean. So Homer's theory means nothing if you
are not executing it correctly.
However, swings tend to be repeatable, even though the
results of the swings may not be. If you find a way to measure
yourself to the golf ball that results in you consistently hitting
the sweet spot, then that is good.
There are a lot of possible reasons why the clubhead may get
farther from you at impact rather than address. Consider that
a lot of people routinely hit fat shots.
Of course, it doesn't have to be that way. A lot of pros routinely
take their address position with the ball in the center of the
clubface, and hit the ball fine. I'd venture to say that most do,
judging from a random sample of my swing library. Tiger does,
for example, and seems to hit it OK.
But other pros address the ball off the toe of the club, and others
with the ball off the heel of the club. It just depends on their
swings.
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 10:03:17
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Revisited: Solution to Off-Center hits from TGM
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> Even though you may have a clear idea about how to swing the golf
> club, it is quite likely that you are not actually doing what you think
> you are doing. If you look at your swing frame by frame on video,
> you will see what I mean. So Homer's theory means nothing if you
> are not executing it correctly.
I completely agree with this. I will practice this procedure and
hopefully improve with it. I am not so sure that I have a clear idea
about how to swing...I am still learning. Although my 'idea' is slowly
clearing up.
> If you find a way to measure
> yourself to the golf ball that results in you consistently hitting
> the sweet spot, then that is good.
I would call that very good. If I can consistently hit the sweet spot
I will be one happy golfer. This will be one of my goals of every
swing.
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