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Date: 09 Sep 2006 12:15:06
From: Alan B
Subject: Playing with only irons
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Greetings. I am a very casual golfer, rightly saddled with an informal
36hcp. Last weekend I played my first round in over a year, for various
reasons related to an active life. I showed up late and joined my friends
on #6 tee, and couldn't hit a wood worth a damn. I joked that since I
showed up late, I had to catch up on score before #10 tee, and just about
did.
At 10, I finally started teeing off with a five iron, just to get the ball
in play. I actually out-drove the other three players on one hole, when
they all mis-hit their wood tee-shots. I started getting bogeys, and
parred the lone par-five on the back nine. I finished with a respectable
(for me) 48 on the back. I did pull out the driver on the par 5, but
didn't hit it very well and would have easily out-driven it with a 3-iron.
At least I made the fairway.
Anyway, I've been told that a lofted wood is good for lies in the rough,
but also that balls that are laying down in the deep stuff require a
steeper swing, which can be executed with a medium iron. So, since I have
no problem sticking to irons off the tee (at least until I gain some
confidence on the DR with the woods), is it reasonable not to carry woods
at all, and still expect to become a bogey golfer?
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 01:38:26
From: JJK
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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"Alan B" wrote:
<snip >
> At 10, I finally started teeing off with a five iron, just to get the ball
> in play. I actually out-drove the other three players on one hole, when
> they all mis-hit their wood tee-shots.
<snip >
Hardly surprising as the average 5-iron carry for RSGers is about 210 yards.
Depending on the fairway conditions, a solid 5-iron could net you 215-255
yards. ~`8^)
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 23:15:19
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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If any iron in your bag varies by 40 yards, you have a problem.
Otto
Btw, I call bovine squeeze on a 210 yard average for an amateur 5 iron
"JJK" <surpher@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:m0KMg.2540$xC3.1558@trnddc06...
> Hardly surprising as the average 5-iron carry for RSGers is about 210
> yards.
> Depending on the fairway conditions, a solid 5-iron could net you 215-255
> yards. ~`8^)
>
>
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:02:54
From: Alan B
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:15:19 -0400, in message
<6rLMg.32612$ry2.11729@bignews3.bellsouth.net >, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > scribed:
>Btw, I call bovine squeeze on a 210 yard average for an amateur 5 iron
I think you missed this bit:
>> ~`8^)
Krusty the Klown if I ever saw one.
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 13:04:36
From: carl llewellyn
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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If you want to learn how to use your woods, go to a wide open course one
afternoon when there are very few people. Every time that you arw in a
position to use a wood, use it. Somewhere along the line you will
figure out how to start using your woods.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:00:52
From: Alan B
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:38:26 GMT, in message
<m0KMg.2540$xC3.1558@trnddc06 >, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net> scribed:
>"Alan B" wrote:
><snip>
>> At 10, I finally started teeing off with a five iron, just to get the ball
>> in play. I actually out-drove the other three players on one hole, when
>> they all mis-hit their wood tee-shots.
><snip>
>
>
>Hardly surprising as the average 5-iron carry for RSGers is about 210 yards.
>Depending on the fairway conditions, a solid 5-iron could net you 215-255
>yards. ~`8^)
Ah hell, I hit that five at least 320!
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 01:16:27
From: JJK
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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JJK wrote:
> >Hardly surprising as the average 5-iron carry for RSGers is about 210
yards.
> >Depending on the fairway conditions, a solid 5-iron could net you 215-255
> >yards. ~`8^)
"Alan B" wrote:
> Ah hell, I hit that five at least 320!
Yeah, but how well can you control skulling the ball?
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 01:13:20
From: Don Miller
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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Have you tried using hybrids. I have a hybrid one iron (17 degrees) that is
much easier to hit than a driver. I use it on shorter par fours and fives
when I want a high probability of getting it in the fairway. It's also a
good fairway wood. I replaced my 5 wood with it, and I actually hit it a
little farther than a five wood.
"Alan B" <nannerbac@nothotmailbutyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:8r36g2hecktql7dmrim8bd21gkg9qeohs7@4ax.com...
> Greetings. I am a very casual golfer, rightly saddled with an informal
> 36hcp. Last weekend I played my first round in over a year, for various
> reasons related to an active life. I showed up late and joined my friends
> on #6 tee, and couldn't hit a wood worth a damn. I joked that since I
> showed up late, I had to catch up on score before #10 tee, and just about
> did.
>
> At 10, I finally started teeing off with a five iron, just to get the ball
> in play. I actually out-drove the other three players on one hole, when
> they all mis-hit their wood tee-shots. I started getting bogeys, and
> parred the lone par-five on the back nine. I finished with a respectable
> (for me) 48 on the back. I did pull out the driver on the par 5, but
> didn't hit it very well and would have easily out-driven it with a 3-iron.
> At least I made the fairway.
>
> Anyway, I've been told that a lofted wood is good for lies in the rough,
> but also that balls that are laying down in the deep stuff require a
> steeper swing, which can be executed with a medium iron. So, since I have
> no problem sticking to irons off the tee (at least until I gain some
> confidence on the DR with the woods), is it reasonable not to carry woods
> at all, and still expect to become a bogey golfer?
>
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:57:52
From: Alan B
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:13:20 GMT, in message
<PEJMg.957601$084.599878@attbi_s22 >, "Don Miller" <golferdhm@mchsi.com>
scribed:
>Have you tried using hybrids. I have a hybrid one iron (17 degrees) that is
>much easier to hit than a driver. I use it on shorter par fours and fives
>when I want a high probability of getting it in the fairway. It's also a
>good fairway wood. I replaced my 5 wood with it, and I actually hit it a
>little farther than a five wood.
Yes, I have a hybrid 3-thingy, I've only swung with it once, and it was a
bad hit. Right now, I think it adds too much complication to the equation.
I suppose I could carry it in lieu of the driver and the 7-wood. Part of
the reason for asking this question was ensuring that I carry an assortment
of clubs that I can utilize properly, without exceeding the club limit
rule. Something I will always keep in mind thanks to Ian Woosnam.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 15:26:43
From:
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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uncle k wrote:
. If you're playing legitimate golf courses, you need woods.
>> Unc
I play nothing but legitimate golf courses, what ever that is, and
until recently carried no woods. I shoot in the 80's, sometimes high,
sometimes low. Tee off with my 3 iron and take it from there. I find a
3 iron in the middle beats the shit out of a driver in the woods.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:28:36
From: Alan B
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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On 9 Sep 2006 15:26:43 -0700, in message
<1157840803.554116.167090@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
bigoldcat2@yahoo.com scribed:
>
>uncle k wrote:
>
>. If you're playing legitimate golf courses, you need woods.
>
>>> Unc
>
>I play nothing but legitimate golf courses, what ever that is, and
>until recently carried no woods. I shoot in the 80's, sometimes high,
>sometimes low. Tee off with my 3 iron and take it from there. I find a
>3 iron in the middle beats the shit out of a driver in the woods.
Well those were both good answers. I'm going to tote a 3-wood for those
occasions when I can get away with a wayward drive, and try to get
consistent with it. Meanwhile, I'm going to dump the 7-wood and driver for
a spell, until I feel frisky. Thanks.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 11:10:31
From: Shintaro
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> uncle k wrote:
>
> . If you're playing legitimate golf courses, you need woods.
>
>
>>>Unc
>
>
> I play nothing but legitimate golf courses, what ever that is, and
> until recently carried no woods. I shoot in the 80's, sometimes high,
> sometimes low. Tee off with my 3 iron and take it from there. I find a
> 3 iron in the middle beats the shit out of a driver in the woods.
>
I cannot carry water with a 3-iron on two holes at tee off on my course.
What should I do? ;)
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 05:10:37
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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"Shintaro" <not_necessary@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:4508c828_1@news.tm.net.my...
> bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
>> uncle k wrote:
>>
>> . If you're playing legitimate golf courses, you need woods.
>>
>>
>>>>Unc
>>
>>
>> I play nothing but legitimate golf courses, what ever that is, and
>> until recently carried no woods. I shoot in the 80's, sometimes high,
>> sometimes low. Tee off with my 3 iron and take it from there. I find a
>> 3 iron in the middle beats the shit out of a driver in the woods.
>>
>
> I cannot carry water with a 3-iron on two holes at tee off on my course.
> What should I do? ;)
Get off the tour and only play courses with no 200 yd carries off the tees
that are unplayable as lay-ups. There might be a few in your area.
Alternately, you might look into this wacky new concept they have called
hybrids ;)
Scott
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 23:29:35
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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"Shintaro" <not_necessary@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:4508c828_1@news.tm.net.my...
> I cannot carry water with a 3-iron on two holes at tee off on my course.
> What should I do? ;)
Get a 2 iron.
If that puts you in the water, get a 1 iron.
Otto
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 20:10:51
From: uncle k
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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"Alan B" <nannerbac@nothotmailbutyahoo.com > wrote in message
>.......................................
> Anyway, I've been told that a lofted wood is good for lies in the rough,
> but also that balls that are laying down in the deep stuff require a
> steeper swing, which can be executed with a medium iron. So, since I have
> no problem sticking to irons off the tee (at least until I gain some
> confidence on the DR with the woods), is it reasonable not to carry woods
> at all, and still expect to become a bogey golfer?
"Reasonable" is in the eyes of the beholder. You'd have to be awfully
steady in every area of the game to pull off bogey golf without a full set
of tools. If you're playing legitimate golf courses, you need woods.
Assuming you're capable of making a "reasonable" golf swing, try this: Tee
up a ball. Pull out your driver. Try to hit it to a target at 100 yds.
There now, wasn't that easy? That'll be forty-five bucks.
Unc
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 14:45:38
From:
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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well it depends upon what your objective is, either carry a full set, or
a short set.
deep-sweep out of the rough with an *opened - faced* nine iron.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 13:43:27
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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"Alan B" <nannerbac@nothotmailbutyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:8r36g2hecktql7dmrim8bd21gkg9qeohs7@4ax.com...
> Greetings. I am a very casual golfer, rightly saddled with an informal
> 36hcp. Last weekend I played my first round in over a year, for various
> reasons related to an active life. I showed up late and joined my friends
> on #6 tee, and couldn't hit a wood worth a damn. I joked that since I
> showed up late, I had to catch up on score before #10 tee, and just about
> did.
>
> At 10, I finally started teeing off with a five iron, just to get the ball
> in play. I actually out-drove the other three players on one hole, when
> they all mis-hit their wood tee-shots. I started getting bogeys, and
> parred the lone par-five on the back nine. I finished with a respectable
> (for me) 48 on the back. I did pull out the driver on the par 5, but
> didn't hit it very well and would have easily out-driven it with a 3-iron.
> At least I made the fairway.
>
> Anyway, I've been told that a lofted wood is good for lies in the rough,
> but also that balls that are laying down in the deep stuff require a
> steeper swing, which can be executed with a medium iron. So, since I have
> no problem sticking to irons off the tee (at least until I gain some
> confidence on the DR with the woods), is it reasonable not to carry woods
> at all, and still expect to become a bogey golfer?
>
Yes, this is not unusual for a beginning golfer. But at some point you might
want to at try an "offset" driver or fairway metal. Various manufacturers
make them including Adams and Cobra. Also, try choking up on the driver by
about 2 inches.
In the past, I have seen a lot of new Adams offset drivers and fairway
metals on EBay. You can get them at huge discounts since they are usually
"last years" model.
To start with, you might want to try an offset 3-wood, which can be useful
from ruff or other situations. Make sure you get a "regular" shaft (not
stiff).
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:06:49
From: Alan B
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:43:27 -0600, in message
<oradnV1ykMbChJ7YnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com >, "Mark A"
<nobody@nowhere.com > scribed:
>Also, try choking up on the driver by
>about 2 inches.
That looks like an interesting try.
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:25:39
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Playing with only irons
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Alan B wrote:
> Greetings. I am a very casual golfer, rightly saddled with an informal
> 36hcp. Last weekend I played my first round in over a year, for various
> reasons related to an active life. I showed up late and joined my friends
> on #6 tee, and couldn't hit a wood worth a damn. I joked that since I
> showed up late, I had to catch up on score before #10 tee, and just about
> did.
>
> At 10, I finally started teeing off with a five iron, just to get the ball
> in play. I actually out-drove the other three players on one hole, when
> they all mis-hit their wood tee-shots. I started getting bogeys, and
> parred the lone par-five on the back nine. I finished with a respectable
> (for me) 48 on the back. I did pull out the driver on the par 5, but
> didn't hit it very well and would have easily out-driven it with a 3-iron.
> At least I made the fairway.
>
> Anyway, I've been told that a lofted wood is good for lies in the rough,
> but also that balls that are laying down in the deep stuff require a
> steeper swing, which can be executed with a medium iron. So, since I have
> no problem sticking to irons off the tee (at least until I gain some
> confidence on the DR with the woods), is it reasonable not to carry woods
> at all, and still expect to become a bogey golfer?
Some years ago I got paired up with a very good golfer. It took me a
few holes to realize that he didn't have any woods in his bag - all
irons. When I asked him about it, he said he "wasn't good enough"
to hit woods. I don't know if he was joking about that, or if the
course
we were playing wasn't long enough to contain his drives. He was
outdriving me using his 2I vs my driver, (although that's not that big
of
an accomplishment). I don't know his score, exactly, but I remember
him making several birdies, and I don't remember seeing too many
bogies.
So, yes, I know it is definitely possible to score better than bogey
golf using only irons.
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