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Date: 17 Sep 2006 02:29:05
From: RoR
Subject: PING: Eric Strulowitz

Hey, Is this you?

I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position. I had the
impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?

In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.

http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643

Rick R

Date: 16 Sep 2006 21:26:42
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz wrote:
> "RoR" <rorider@gmail.default> wrote in message
> news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com...
> > Hey, Is this you?
> >
> > I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position. I
> > had the
> > impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
> >
> > In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
> >
> >
> > http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643
> >
> > Rick R
>
> I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?

Relatively certain that EVERYONE needs to seperate themselves from the
complete and total moronic postings on this board (by many parties) and
not cross that line.

Date: 16 Sep 2006 21:21:32
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz wrote:
>
> I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?

No doubt a few of you idiots will race to see who will become the first
to cross that line.
Why not leave his personal life out of it?

I've probably been called more things by him than all of you folks put
together (Randy & Bobby excepted, perhaps). What would you have me do,
go tell on him? Grow the fuck up.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 16:58:58
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1158466892.177567.68310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
>
> No doubt a few of you idiots will race to see who will become the first
> to cross that line.
> Why not leave his personal life out of it?
>
Yes. Nothing lower that a Usenet snitch.

Date: 16 Sep 2006 20:39:37
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"RoR" <rorider@gmail.default > wrote in message
news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com...
> Hey, Is this you?
>
> I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position. I
> had the
> impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
>
> In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
>
>
> http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643
>
> Rick R

I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?

Date: 17 Sep 2006 08:30:09
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote:

: I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?

I wonder if the DR there *needs* to know that.

Actually, I don't. There's no need for that at all. So much for
crony groupthink. Damn.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 16 Sep 2006 19:47:49
From: long&left
Subject: Re: PING: Eric Strulowitz

RoR wrote:
> Hey, Is this you?
>
> I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position. I had the
> impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
>
> In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
>
>
> http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643
>
>
>
>
> Rick R
>
>
>
yeah that's probably him, but does he have a degree?
:)

Date: 17 Sep 2006 09:31:20
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
>
> : At the end of the day though, there are always those people who
> : like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And they are what
> : they are, and most people know the score.
>
> Ya know, Rob, you've never met me. You don't really know what
> motivates me. And here you are passing judgment on me, if I'm
> reading you correctly. I'm reminded a bit of glass houses and
> stone throwing.
>
> I'm not going to rerun my list of reasons to dislike Eric yet
> again -- I think he has posted plenty enough lately for people
> to make up their own minds. But I will reiterate again that it's
> his unrepentant racism that bothers me most. If we're judged by
> the company we keep, that item turn out to be a bit of a problem
> for you.

Take a fuckin' breath, High Road! My god:

http://tinyurl.com/rp829

Do you sleep?!?!?

Date: 17 Sep 2006 17:01:01
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Ben. <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:

: Take a fuckin' breath, High Road! My god:
:
: http://tinyurl.com/rp829
:
: Do you sleep?!?!?

Rust never sleeps.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 17 Sep 2006 09:20:57
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Gordo wrote:
>
> > glfnaz wrote:
> > > "RoR" <rorider@gmail.default> wrote in message
> > > news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com...
> > > > Hey, Is this you?
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position. I
> > > > had the
> > > > impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
> > > >
> > > > In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643
> > > >
> > > > Rick R
> > >
> > > I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
> >
> > Relatively certain that EVERYONE needs to seperate themselves from the
> > complete and total moronic postings on this board (by many parties) and
> > not cross that line.
>
> I have what to me is an interesting Roy Buchanan Cd called "Malaguena". I got it because I wanted to hear Roy
> play the title track, which sucks becuase it at best sounds like a cheesy bootleg from the 1960's...like the 60's
> portable tape recorder was in a briefcase. The producers of the CD are big Roy Buchanan fans though, and they put
> a quote on the back of the CD, that obviously reflects how they feel about Roy:
>
> "He beld from a thousand wounds...and with his candle he opened the heavens so that we may hear and feel that
> which is ordinarily beyond us."
>
> I don't know if Eric opens up the heavens for anyone like Roy did, but I do know that Eric has been more than
> willing to open his wallet and give of his time to those in need, much moreso that most people. Eric also very
> obviously "bleeds" when people attack him, again much moreso than most people. His great fault, as I see it
> anyways, is that he is too sensitive to things, and over reacts. Some people who pose here as human beings get
> great joy in making him bleed on this board. Just about anyone with any sense, however, can see what is
> happening, and judge it accordingly. When it comes to business, its about business, and if Eric is doing
> something that works, thats all anyone will care about. Most people in "business" don't really do much, and rely
> on people like Eric to actually do the work that brings in the "business" so that they can have a job,
> "marketing" or "accounting". Eric is the kind of person who actually does the thing that brings in the business,
> and I suspect he could do that in any context, and there are lots of marketing people and accountants looking for
> people like Eric to make them some money so they can get paid for sitting on their butt punching a keyboard.
>
> At the end of the day though, there are always those people who like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And
> they are what they are, and most people know the score. What they say about themselves when they post their vile,
> mean spirited filth is far more damming that anything Eric can post here. They can gnash their teeth at the fact
> that Eric has come to the aid of many people, and he is appreciated for his efforts, and there is nothing they
> can ever do about it...but sit in their cave and gnash their teeth and spew forth the vile posts for which they
> are well known...and that's all they have. Truely pathetic.
>
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> Gordo wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>glfnaz wrote:
> > "RoR" <rorider@gmail.default> wrote in message
> > <a href="news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com">news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com</a>...
> > > Hey, Is this you?
> > >
> > > I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position.
> I
> > > had the
> > > impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
> > >
> > > In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
> > >
> > >
> > > <a href="http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643">http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit&section=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643</a>
> > >
> > > Rick R
> >
> > I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
> Relatively certain that EVERYONE needs to seperate themselves
> from the
> complete and total moronic postings on this board (by many parties)
> and
> not cross that line.</blockquote>
> I have what to me is an interesting Roy Buchanan Cd called "Malaguena".
> I got it because I wanted to hear Roy play the title track, which sucks
> becuase it at best sounds like a cheesy bootleg from the 1960's...like
> the 60's portable tape recorder was in a briefcase. The producers of the
> CD are big Roy Buchanan fans though, and they put a quote on the back of
> the CD, that obviously reflects how they feel about Roy:
> "He beld from a thousand wounds...and with his candle he opened the
> heavens so that we may hear and feel that which is ordinarily beyond us."
> I don't know if Eric opens up the heavens for anyone like Roy did, but
> I do know that Eric has been more than willing to open his wallet and give
> of his time to those in need, much moreso that most people. Eric also very
> obviously "bleeds" when people attack him, again much moreso than most
> people. His great fault, as I see it anyways, is that he is too sensitive
> to things, and over reacts. Some people who pose here as human beings get
> great joy in making him bleed on this board. Just about anyone with any
> sense, however, can see what is happening, and judge it accordingly. When
> it comes to business, its about business, and if Eric is doing something
> that works, thats all anyone will care about. Most people in "business"
> don't really do much, and rely on people like Eric to actually do the work
> that brings in the "business" so that they can have a job, "marketing"
> or "accounting". Eric is the kind of person who actually does the thing
> that brings in the business, and I suspect he could do that in any context,
> and there are lots of marketing people and accountants looking for people
> like Eric to make them some money so they can get paid for sitting on their
> butt punching a keyboard.
> At the end of the day though, there are always those people who like
> to make more sensitive people "bleed". And they are what they are, and
> most people know the score. What they say about themselves when they post
> their vile, mean spirited filth is far more damming that anything Eric
> can post here. They can gnash their teeth at the fact that Eric has come
> to the aid of many people, and he is appreciated for his efforts, and there
> is nothing they can ever do about it...but sit in their cave and gnash
> their teeth and spew forth the vile posts for which they are well known...and
> that's all they have. Truely pathetic.</html>
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Professor Shitforbrains, Once again you earn your name. This
firstcorpwellness scam seems like a match made in heaven between a
chiropractor with what is probably a laser pointer (medical miracle)
and a nurse/huckster who might know some insurance tricks and such. I
went to a chiropractor once, she had a little stick with a spring on it
and used it for "adjustments." You are correct about, at least me,
wanting to see him bleed. I feel he has the feelings and compassion of
maybe an earthworm.

Date: 17 Sep 2006 09:09:34
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> At the end of the day though, there are always those people who like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And
> they are what they are, and most people know the score. What they say about themselves when they post their vile,
> mean spirited filth is far more damming that anything Eric can post here. They can gnash their teeth at the fact
> that Eric has come to the aid of many people, and he is appreciated for his efforts, and there is nothing they
> can ever do about it...but sit in their cave and gnash their teeth and spew forth the vile posts for which they
> are well known...and that's all they have. Truely pathetic.

How very poetic. If it weren't for all the filthy, vile, personal
attacks that Eric has
spewed, I'd be really touched. Go back and look at Eric's attack on
Randy, for just
one example.

Far from being a victim, Eric constantly provokes this crap, no matter
how you
try to spin it. Eric's behaviour in this NG is the very definition of
pathetic.

Date: 17 Sep 2006 14:28:02
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

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Gordo wrote:

> glfnaz wrote:
> > "RoR" <rorider@gmail.default> wrote in message
> > news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com...
> > > Hey, Is this you?
> > >
> > > I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position. I
> > > had the
> > > impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
> > >
> > > In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643
> > >
> > > Rick R
> >
> > I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
>
> Relatively certain that EVERYONE needs to seperate themselves from the
> complete and total moronic postings on this board (by many parties) and
> not cross that line.

I have what to me is an interesting Roy Buchanan Cd called "Malaguena". I got it because I wanted to hear Roy
play the title track, which sucks becuase it at best sounds like a cheesy bootleg from the 1960's...like the 60's
portable tape recorder was in a briefcase. The producers of the CD are big Roy Buchanan fans though, and they put
a quote on the back of the CD, that obviously reflects how they feel about Roy:

"He beld from a thousand wounds...and with his candle he opened the heavens so that we may hear and feel that
which is ordinarily beyond us."

I don't know if Eric opens up the heavens for anyone like Roy did, but I do know that Eric has been more than
willing to open his wallet and give of his time to those in need, much moreso that most people. Eric also very
obviously "bleeds" when people attack him, again much moreso than most people. His great fault, as I see it
anyways, is that he is too sensitive to things, and over reacts. Some people who pose here as human beings get
great joy in making him bleed on this board. Just about anyone with any sense, however, can see what is
happening, and judge it accordingly. When it comes to business, its about business, and if Eric is doing
something that works, thats all anyone will care about. Most people in "business" don't really do much, and rely
on people like Eric to actually do the work that brings in the "business" so that they can have a job,
"marketing" or "accounting". Eric is the kind of person who actually does the thing that brings in the business,
and I suspect he could do that in any context, and there are lots of marketing people and accountants looking for
people like Eric to make them some money so they can get paid for sitting on their butt punching a keyboard.

At the end of the day though, there are always those people who like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And
they are what they are, and most people know the score. What they say about themselves when they post their vile,
mean spirited filth is far more damming that anything Eric can post here. They can gnash their teeth at the fact
that Eric has come to the aid of many people, and he is appreciated for his efforts, and there is nothing they
can ever do about it...but sit in their cave and gnash their teeth and spew forth the vile posts for which they
are well known...and that's all they have. Truely pathetic.

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Gordo wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE >glfnaz wrote:
 > "RoR" <rorider@gmail.default> wrote in message
 > <a href="news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com">news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com</a>...
 > > Hey, Is this you?
 > >
 > > I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position.
I
 > > had the
 > > impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
 > >
 > > In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
 > >
 > >
 > > <a href="http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643">http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit&section=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643</a>
 > >
 > > Rick R
 >
 > I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
Relatively certain that EVERYONE needs to seperate themselves
from the
 complete and total moronic postings on this board (by many parties)
and
 not cross that line.</blockquote>
I have what to me is an interesting Roy Buchanan Cd called "Malaguena".
I got it because I wanted to hear Roy play the title track, which sucks
becuase it at best sounds like a cheesy bootleg from the 1960's...like
the 60's portable tape recorder was in a briefcase. The producers of the
CD are big Roy Buchanan fans though, and they put a quote on the back of
the CD, that obviously reflects how they feel about Roy:
"He beld from a thousand wounds...and with his candle he opened the
heavens so that we may hear and feel that which is ordinarily beyond us."
I don't know if Eric opens up the heavens for anyone like Roy did, but
I do know that Eric has been more than willing to open his wallet and give
of his time to those in need, much moreso that most people. Eric also very
obviously "bleeds" when people attack him, again much moreso than most
people. His great fault, as I see it anyways, is that he is too sensitive
to things, and over reacts. Some people who pose here as human beings get
great joy in making him bleed on this board. Just about anyone with any
sense, however, can see what is happening, and judge it accordingly. When
it comes to business, its about business, and if Eric is doing something
that works, thats all anyone will care about. Most people in "business"
don't really do much, and rely on people like Eric to actually do the work
that brings in the "business" so that they can have a job, "marketing"
or "accounting". Eric is the kind of person who actually does the thing
that brings in the business, and I suspect he could do that in any context,
and there are lots of marketing people and accountants looking for people
like Eric to make them some money so they can get paid for sitting on their
butt punching a keyboard.
At the end of the day though, there are always those people who like
to make more sensitive people "bleed". And they are what they are, and
most people know the score. What they say about themselves when they post
their vile, mean spirited filth is far more damming that anything Eric
can post here. They can gnash their teeth at the fact that Eric has come
to the aid of many people, and he is appreciated for his efforts, and there
is nothing they can ever do about it...but sit in their cave and gnash
their teeth and spew forth the vile posts for which they are well known...and
that's all they have. Truely pathetic.</html >

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Date: 17 Sep 2006 15:39:19
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:

: At the end of the day though, there are always those people who
: like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And they are what
: they are, and most people know the score.

Ya know, Rob, you've never met me. You don't really know what
motivates me. And here you are passing judgment on me, if I'm
reading you correctly. I'm reminded a bit of glass houses and
stone throwing.

I'm not going to rerun my list of reasons to dislike Eric yet
again -- I think he has posted plenty enough lately for people
to make up their own minds. But I will reiterate again that it's
his unrepentant racism that bothers me most. If we're judged by
the company we keep, that item turn out to be a bit of a problem
for you.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 17 Sep 2006 17:03:25
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

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Chris Bellomy wrote:

> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
>
> : At the end of the day though, there are always those people who
> : like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And they are what
> : they are, and most people know the score.
>
> Ya know, Rob, you've never met me. You don't really know what
> motivates me. And here you are passing judgment on me, if I'm
> reading you correctly. I'm reminded a bit of glass houses and
> stone throwing.
>
> I'm not going to rerun my list of reasons to dislike Eric yet
> again -- I think he has posted plenty enough lately for people
> to make up their own minds. But I will reiterate again that it's
> his unrepentant racism that bothers me most. If we're judged by
> the company we keep, that item turn out to be a bit of a problem
> for you.
>

I'll respond to you and Randy in one shot. First to you:

Eric provides service to people of various races every day. We are
talking about direct, person to person interactions. No way he is going
to acheive any sort of responsible position doing such a thing if he
cannot tolerate people of other races. Of course this is a statement
based on what he actually does, not what you think of what he says. Eric
also provides his free time and professional services to people of all
races in need as charity. List out how much Eric has helped people of
races other than his own and list the same for you and we may see who
the real racist is. What you say aside, the real proof of a person is
what they do.

As for Randy, what I have seen here is people attack Eric, and Eric
over-respond. Yes, he over reacts, and that's what "they" like to see.
He is easy to wound and he will bleed all over the place. All you do is
re-enforce my point. I am, of course, offering up my opinion based on my
experience. I have never seen Eric really go after someone like certain
people go after Eric, constantly at him, year after year. Eric does not,
for example, constantly post about you, digging up old posts you have
made and jumping into virtually any thread you start. Some people do
that to Eric though. If you don't like him, leave him alone.

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Chris Bellomy wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE >Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
: At the end of the day though, there are always those people who
 : like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And they are what
 : they are, and most people know the score.
Ya know, Rob, you've never met me. You don't really know what
 motivates me. And here you are passing judgment on me, if I'm
 reading you correctly. I'm reminded a bit of glass houses and
 stone throwing.
I'm not going to rerun my list of reasons to dislike Eric yet
 again -- I think he has posted plenty enough lately for people
 to make up their own minds. But I will reiterate again that it's
 his unrepentant racism that bothers me most. If we're judged by
 the company we keep, that item turn out to be a bit of a problem
 for you.
 <a href="http://clist.org/"></a> </blockquote>
I'll respond to you and Randy in one shot. First to you:
Eric provides service to people of various races every day. We are talking
about direct, person to person interactions. No way he is going to acheive
any sort of responsible position doing such a thing if he cannot tolerate
people of other races. Of course this is a statement based on what he actually
does, not what you think of what he says. Eric also provides his free time
and professional services to people of all races in need as charity. List
out how much Eric has helped people of races other than his own and list
the same for you and we may see who the real racist is. What you say aside,
the real proof of a person is what they do.
As for Randy, what I have seen here is people attack Eric, and Eric
over-respond. Yes, he over reacts, and that's what "they" like to see.
He is easy to wound and he will bleed all over the place. All you do is
re-enforce my point. I am, of course, offering up my opinion based on my
experience. I have never seen Eric really go after someone like certain
people go after Eric, constantly at him, year after year. Eric does not,
for example, constantly post about you, digging up old posts you have made
and jumping into virtually any thread you start. Some people do that to
Eric though. If you don't like him, leave him alone.
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Date: 17 Sep 2006 17:25:05
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:

You seem to be posting in text and HTML. Can you fix this?

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: I'll respond to you and Randy in one shot. First to you:
:
: Eric provides service to people of various races every day. We are
: talking about direct, person to person interactions. No way he is going
: to acheive any sort of responsible position doing such a thing if he
: cannot tolerate people of other races.

Ok, let's step back and dissect that statement on its own merit
for a second. You imply that the healthcare industry must be
bigot-free because there's no room for bigots in that field.
That's pretty obviously false on the face of it, don't you
think? You may not remember, but I used to post here from a
hsc.unt.edu account, the "hsc" being "health science center."
I saw a lot of student dors come through that place. Trust
me, plenty of them were racist pricks. The system accommodates
them just fine.

: Of course this is a statement
: based on what he actually does, not what you think of what he says.

Do you work with him in some capacity, or are you assuming facts
not in evidence?

: Eric
: also provides his free time and professional services to people of all
: races in need as charity. List out how much Eric has helped people of
: races other than his own and list the same for you and we may see who
: the real racist is. What you say aside, the real proof of a person is
: what they do.

Speech is an action, Rob. Sorry to burst your bubble on that,
but speech counts.

And I'm really curious how much time you've spent with Eric as
he has provided his free time and professional services to people
of all races.

: As for Randy, what I have seen here is people attack Eric, and Eric
: over-respond. Yes, he over reacts, and that's what "they" like to see.
: He is easy to wound and he will bleed all over the place. All you do is
: re-enforce my point. I am, of course, offering up my opinion based on my
: experience. I have never seen Eric really go after someone like certain
: people go after Eric, constantly at him, year after year.

You mean the way that certain others go after Mike Dalecki?

Sorry, Rob, Eric is a serial liar, a racist, and essentially
unstable. The last part I can forgive. The first two, not so
easily. If he doesn't like being called on those things, the
obvious appropriate action is to stop *being* those things.
If he's a victim, it's only of his own behavior. He had every
chance to be just another part of the rsg community; it was
he who made the choices that made that untenable.

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Date: 17 Sep 2006 19:46:54
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

I'm just bottom posting. You lied when you claimed I made a statement about
the health care industry. As Mr. Miller has pointed out, you have made
statements that any good decent all talk no action PC type would classify as
racist, so who are you to talk?

If a person who is what the racist infrastructure calls a "minority" needs a
root canal, words don't count, it's the people who will put up the cash, or
the denstist/oral surgeon who will do the work for free who count, and that's
all that does count.

I think you will find that the vast majority of posts Dalecki makes go by
without comment from me. A far higher percentage than those of Eric that pass
without comment from you.

Date: 17 Sep 2006 20:28:41
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:

: As Mr. Miller has pointed out, you have made
: statements that any good decent all talk no action PC type would classify as
: racist, so who are you to talk?

Ben, do you have any idea wtf Rob is talking about here?

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Date: 17 Sep 2006 20:25:31
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Are you replying to me?

Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:
: I'm just bottom posting.

Hmm. This post is all text, so it's better. *shrug*

: You lied when you claimed I made a statement about
: the health care industry.

I did? What was this?

"Eric provides service to people of various races every day.
We are talking about direct, person to person interactions."

Eric's a nurse, right? So it follows that you were talking
about his providing service in that industry, right?

: As Mr. Miller has pointed out, you have made
: statements that any good decent all talk no action PC type would classify as
: racist, so who are you to talk?

You had better get to citing. Those are fighting words.

: If a person who is what the racist infrastructure calls a
: "minority" needs a root canal, words don't count,

They don't? You think attitude doesn't matter? Do you really
want to get root canal from somebody predisposed to dislike
you on account of how you look?

: I think you will find that the vast majority of posts Dalecki makes go by
: without comment from me.

Yeah, I wasn't referring to you there, Rob.

: A far higher percentage than those of Eric that pass
: without comment from you.

He deserves every brickbat he gets.

Now if you'll please be so kind as to repost the racist statements
I have made while I still consider you a decent guy, I'd appreciate
it. Short of that, I would appreciate a retraction.

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Date: 17 Sep 2006 21:51:42
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

I am not required to justify anything to you. I think you are a racist. One
evidence is the lie about healthcare you made. I said nothing about the healthcare
industry al all, let alone in general, I spoke about Eric in his job. I is your
racist tendancies that interposed some sort of racist view of the healthcare
industry in general into my statement about Eric.

You want to call people like Eric a rasict...well that can be just as easily
thrown right back into your face. What do you do in your life to serve minority
communities that is anywhwere near the level to which Eric serves minority
communities? Nothing but words...accusations directed at others? Eric actually
serves minority communities. That's a fact. You type words on a screen. When it
comes to what you actually do..what? ...that's where reality lives..in what you
actually do.

Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:15:37
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Rob, I'm sorry. I was trying to have an honest conversation
with you. I thought you were up to it.

I won't make that mistake again.

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Date: 18 Sep 2006 01:31:32
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:

> Rob, I'm sorry. I was trying to have an honest conversation
> with you. I thought you were up to it.
>
> I won't make that mistake again.
>

Truth hurts I suppose.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 01:55:54
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
:
: > Rob, I'm sorry. I was trying to have an honest conversation
: > with you. I thought you were up to it.
: >
: > I won't make that mistake again.
:
: Truth hurts I suppose.

That you're not interested in a sincere conversation? No,
it doesn't hurt. It disappoints some. I thought you were
better than this.

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Date: 18 Sep 2006 01:42:29
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:450DF533.D4DE88BB@att.net...
>
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
>> Rob, I'm sorry. I was trying to have an honest conversation
>> with you. I thought you were up to it.
>>
>> I won't make that mistake again.
>>
>
> Truth hurts I suppose.

You would have to suppose; you've never actually engaged in anything
truthful.

If you ever decide to tell the truth about anything, please alert the media.
I've never seen anyone's head implode before; it should make an interesting
video.

Date: 23 Sep 2006 18:16:20
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:

> And as for Arizona ranking dead last in education, I find that hard to
> believe. Georgia owned that distinction for years, and only recently crept
> up the list to 49. Are you sure Arizona is 50th? I would think it would be
> Mississippi or Ala-dumbass-bama.

Then that's what you get for thinking and not researching, Randy. For
someone throwing out the stupid call so much lately, you sure seem
incapable of doing a little fact finding, yourself. With that said,
you stumble-fucked your way into being partially correct, Arizona is
not at the bottom...they are slightly south of the 2005 national
average for percentage of the population 25 years of age or older w/
high school graduates. Congrats on Mississippi - they are dead last.
Alabama is ahead of California, Kentucky, Texas, and, yes, Mississippi.
As far as Georgia owning that dubious distinction "for years" - also
wrong....thanks for playing.

> And oh, by the way...who's first?

Look it up yourself, "smart guy".

Date: 17 Sep 2006 11:54:21
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
>
> : At the end of the day though, there are always those people who
> : like to make more sensitive people "bleed". And they are what
> : they are, and most people know the score.
>
> Ya know, Rob, you've never met me. You don't really know what
> motivates me. And here you are passing judgment on me, if I'm
> reading you correctly. I'm reminded a bit of glass houses and
> stone throwing.

You and everyone else judge others based upon their looks, speech and
actions every day and all day long. To be offended because someone has
made a judgment about you is a little pretentious and juvenile.

> I'm not going to rerun my list of reasons to dislike Eric yet
> again -- I think he has posted plenty enough lately for people
> to make up their own minds. But I will reiterate again that it's
> his unrepentant racism that bothers me most. If we're judged by
> the company we keep, that item turn out to be a bit of a problem
> for you.

What judgments can be made about the company you keep and your speech
and actions?

Date: 17 Sep 2006 06:34:32
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Noons wrote:
> Gordo wrote:
>
>
> You mean it's NEVER been crossed? Amazing...

Yes it has been, and it shouldn't be again. The thing that I see is
that there are many on this board who like the anonymity of the
keyboard. It helps them to be something that they're not. In person,
they are totally different people. If others can't tell the
difference, they should step away from the keyboard.

Date: 17 Sep 2006 05:25:38
From: Noons
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Gordo wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
> > "RoR" <rorider@gmail.default> wrote in message
> > news:pecpg29mo600v55jnvafk6lnfefatduq8c@4ax.com...
> > > Hey, Is this you?
> > >
> > > I don't have a date for the announcement, but this is a nice position. I
> > > had the
> > > impression you worked in oncology. Was I wrong?
> > >
> > > In any event, if this is you, congrats, it seems to be a good gig.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://firstcorpwellness.com/index.php?package=iedit§ion=custom_content&action=show_page&content=2643
> > >
> > > Rick R
> >
> > I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
>
> Relatively certain that EVERYONE needs to seperate themselves from the
> complete and total moronic postings on this board (by many parties) and
> not cross that line.

You mean it's NEVER been crossed? Amazing...

Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:07:20
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote:
>
> : I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
>
> I wonder if the DR there *needs* to know that.
>
> Actually, I don't. There's no need for that at all. So much for
> crony groupthink. Damn.

OTOH, you wrote this 12 hours after calling Eric a liar and a racist.
I'd charactize your criticism of cronysm as both lite and late.

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 05:37:54
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote:
: >
: > : I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
: >
: > I wonder if the DR there *needs* to know that.
: >
: > Actually, I don't. There's no need for that at all. So much for
: > crony groupthink. Damn.
:
: OTOH, you wrote this 12 hours after calling Eric a liar and a racist.

Which he is. What's your point?

: I'd charactize your criticism of cronysm as both lite and late.

I'm not criticizing it. I'm lampooning your lame accusations
of same. If you'll notice, I was disagreeing here with known
crony Brad. That sort of thing happens all the time, but you
either don't notice or don't want to acknowledge it.

If it's wagon circling you want, grab a mirror. There appears
to be a drine of Strulowitzian Infallability in the works.
(Enjoy the phrase, Eric, it's free of charge.)

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Date: 18 Sep 2006 07:32:16
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3fnvveIqncN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> I'm not criticizing it. I'm lampooning your lame accusations
> of same. If you'll notice, I was disagreeing here with known
> crony Brad. That sort of thing happens all the time, but you
> either don't notice or don't want to acknowledge it.
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/

I'd never be your crony.
You have zero taste in music.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 16:54:06
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote:
:
: "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
: news:0T3fnvveIqncN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
: > I'm not criticizing it. I'm lampooning your lame accusations
: > of same. If you'll notice, I was disagreeing here with known
: > crony Brad. That sort of thing happens all the time, but you
: > either don't notice or don't want to acknowledge it.
:
: I'd never be your crony.
: You have zero taste in music.

Maybe I need to smoke a lot more weed!

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Date: 18 Sep 2006 12:09:19
From: ynaught
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3fnvveIqncN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>
> : I'd charactize your criticism of cronysm as both lite and late.
>
> I'm not criticizing it. I'm lampooning your lame accusations
> of same. If you'll notice, I was disagreeing here with known
> crony Brad. That sort of thing happens all the time, but you
> either don't notice or don't want to acknowledge it.

Geez Chris, you don't get it! You need to read RSG on a 24/7 basis so that
when you disagree with a crony you can *immediately post* it here. A reply
12 hours later makes it seem that you don't give a rip what someome wrote.
You are late to the party. You need to have less of a life so that you can
monitor all messages on this board. In that way you will win the praise of
a pair of trolls.

Date: 17 Sep 2006 21:41:05
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> Sorry, Rob, Eric is a serial liar, a racist, and essentially
> :> unstable. The last part I can forgive. The first two, not so
> :> easily. If he doesn't like being called on those things, the
> :> obvious appropriate action is to stop *being* those things.
> :> If he's a victim, it's only of his own behavior. He had every
> :> chance to be just another part of the rsg community; it was
> :> he who made the choices that made that untenable.
> :
> : You have yet to prove that he's a liar. As for being a racist, I saw
> : no evidence of this when I was with him. I challenge you to cite your
> : proof.
>
> All of his original posts have apparently been removed from
> Google (gosh, I wonder why), but sadly for him, the followups
> remain:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/9e660384a96b7f8e?dmode=source&hl=en
>
> Maerst wrote:
> >
> > i disagree with your premise that golf courses
> > charge too much. if golf was cheap, just think
> > of all the low class imbeciles that would be on the
> > golfcourse. the nice thing about golf is the you
> > have the chance to get away in a beautiful environment
> > with quality people who respect the game and its
> > environment. by pricing out low class people, you
> > can enjoy a day out without having to rub elbows with
> > these slobs. can you imagine if golf was only $10.00.
>
> <BEGIN SPECIAL EMPHASIS>
>
> > you would have every redneck and african out there
> > hacking away at the turf. these people will not take
> > the time to learn the game and pay it the homage it
> > deserves.
>
> <END SPECIAL EMPHASIS>
>
> > The same for equipment. if you keep the
> > tools expensive, you will maintain an element of
> > elitism. I am not rich, but work extra hours
> > to afford to play nice courses. i say keep prices
> > high to keep trash out
>
> Logical inferences here:
>
> 1. "African" = "redneck"
> 2. "Africans" will not take the time to learn the game, etc.
> 3. "Africans" = "trash"
> 4. Elitism is good.
>
> As is pretty obvious, that post stuck in my craw, permanently,
> as it should with any decent person. It's one of the most
> despicable things I've ever seen posted in rsg.

I looked at the link and noted that it's dated 12/23/1998? So you're
hanging Eric on something he said 8 years ago. As for the racial
aspect of it, Rob is doing a nice job of defeating that smear.

You didn't cite any proof that Eric is a liar. So, in summary, all you
have is one 8 year old post.

Now how about some facts. There is a "person" in RSG who routinely
says disparaging remarks about women and handicapped people. You have
never criticized him for it. In fact, you went out of your way to play
golf with this individual two months ago.

Yet, in your own words, Eric cannot be forgiven for being a presumed
liar or racist, but misogyny and prejudice toward the handicap
people.....no problem.

That's an interesting set of values you have, Chris.

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 05:15:14
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:

: I looked at the link and noted that it's dated 12/23/1998?

Yes. He hasn't retracted, why act as though he doesn't still
believe what he wrote?

: So you're
: hanging Eric on something he said 8 years ago. As for the racial
: aspect of it, Rob is doing a nice job of defeating that smear.

Good grief, you guys will circle the wagons around the lamest
of pretense. How embarrassing for you, Greg. I thought you were
better than to condone this sort of filth.

: You didn't cite any proof that Eric is a liar.

I'm sorry. I thought you had been reading rsg all these years.
My bad.

: Now how about some facts. There is a "person" in RSG who routinely
: says disparaging remarks about women and handicapped people. You have
: never criticized him for it. In fact, you went out of your way to play
: golf with this individual two months ago.

"Person?" In quotation marks? What the fuck kind of dehumanization
bullshit are you up to here, Greg? I don't even know who or what
you're talking about, for that matter.

: Yet, in your own words, Eric cannot be forgiven for being a presumed
: liar or racist, but misogyny and prejudice toward the handicap
: people.....no problem.

I don't hold people accountable for things I'm not aware that
they've said. Silly me! I'm CRRRAAAAAZZZZYYY!!!!!

: That's an interesting set of values you have, Chris.

That's an interesting habit of building strawmen you have, Greg.

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Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:21:43
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1158554465.392055.224360@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>> :
>> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> :> Sorry, Rob, Eric is a serial liar, a racist, and essentially
>> :> unstable. The last part I can forgive. The first two, not so
>> :> easily. If he doesn't like being called on those things, the
>> :> obvious appropriate action is to stop *being* those things.
>> :> If he's a victim, it's only of his own behavior. He had every
>> :> chance to be just another part of the rsg community; it was
>> :> he who made the choices that made that untenable.
>> :
>> : You have yet to prove that he's a liar. As for being a racist, I saw
>> : no evidence of this when I was with him. I challenge you to cite your
>> : proof.
>>
>> All of his original posts have apparently been removed from
>> Google (gosh, I wonder why), but sadly for him, the followups
>> remain:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/9e660384a96b7f8e?dmode=source&hl=en
>>
>> Maerst wrote:
>> >
>> > i disagree with your premise that golf courses
>> > charge too much. if golf was cheap, just think
>> > of all the low class imbeciles that would be on the
>> > golfcourse. the nice thing about golf is the you
>> > have the chance to get away in a beautiful environment
>> > with quality people who respect the game and its
>> > environment. by pricing out low class people, you
>> > can enjoy a day out without having to rub elbows with
>> > these slobs. can you imagine if golf was only $10.00.
>>
>> <BEGIN SPECIAL EMPHASIS>
>>
>> > you would have every redneck and african out there
>> > hacking away at the turf. these people will not take
>> > the time to learn the game and pay it the homage it
>> > deserves.
>>
>> <END SPECIAL EMPHASIS>
>>
>> > The same for equipment. if you keep the
>> > tools expensive, you will maintain an element of
>> > elitism. I am not rich, but work extra hours
>> > to afford to play nice courses. i say keep prices
>> > high to keep trash out
>>
>> Logical inferences here:
>>
>> 1. "African" = "redneck"
>> 2. "Africans" will not take the time to learn the game, etc.
>> 3. "Africans" = "trash"
>> 4. Elitism is good.
>>
>> As is pretty obvious, that post stuck in my craw, permanently,
>> as it should with any decent person. It's one of the most
>> despicable things I've ever seen posted in rsg.
>
> I looked at the link and noted that it's dated 12/23/1998? So you're
> hanging Eric on something he said 8 years ago. As for the racial
> aspect of it, Rob is doing a nice job of defeating that smear.
>
> You didn't cite any proof that Eric is a liar. So, in summary, all you
> have is one 8 year old post.
>
> Now how about some facts. There is a "person" in RSG who routinely
> says disparaging remarks about women and handicapped people. You have
> never criticized him for it. In fact, you went out of your way to play
> golf with this individual two months ago.
>
> Yet, in your own words, Eric cannot be forgiven for being a presumed
> liar or racist, but misogyny and prejudice toward the handicap
> people.....no problem.
>
> That's an interesting set of values you have, Chris.
>
> -Greg

Eric did not start posting until much later than '98.

It was around 2001.

Randy

Date: 18 Sep 2006 18:05:24
From: Steve S
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:LeCdnXSGHZ9IkJLYnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com...

> Eric did not start posting until much later than '98.
>
> It was around 2001.
>
> Randy
>

Are you suggesting there was more than one Maerst and Eric took the name
after 2001?

You responded to Maerst in Dec1998:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/browse_frm/thread/a1fa0437fcaf4d54/d2014afa78364c0b?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#d2014afa78364c0b

It is distinctly Hammerhead. The lower case I, the disjointed writing.

He also posted as Maerst in 1999 to a nursing newsgroup:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nursing/browse_frm/thread/4a70ebcc4161d6ad/b9431eb655968459?lnk=st&q=maerst&rnum=1&hl=en#b9431eb655968459

There are posts around from 2000 and 2001 also.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 23:57:27
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Alright I stand corrected.

I sure thought MAERST didn't burst on the scene until after I'd returned to
metro Atlanta from Chattanowhere.

Randy

"Steve S" <none@fughettaboutit.com > wrote in message
news:4n8jh5F97m3rU1@individual.net...
>
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:LeCdnXSGHZ9IkJLYnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>> Eric did not start posting until much later than '98.
>>
>> It was around 2001.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>
> Are you suggesting there was more than one Maerst and Eric took the name
> after 2001?
>
> You responded to Maerst in Dec1998:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/browse_frm/thread/a1fa0437fcaf4d54/d2014afa78364c0b?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#d2014afa78364c0b
>
> It is distinctly Hammerhead. The lower case I, the disjointed writing.
>
> He also posted as Maerst in 1999 to a nursing newsgroup:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nursing/browse_frm/thread/4a70ebcc4161d6ad/b9431eb655968459?lnk=st&q=maerst&rnum=1&hl=en#b9431eb655968459
>
> There are posts around from 2000 and 2001 also.
>

Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:57:44
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

: Eric did not start posting until much later than '98.

The post in question was dated 12/23/1998.

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Date: 17 Sep 2006 18:26:43
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Date: 17 Sep 2006 16:20:05
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
>
> : As Mr. Miller has pointed out, you have made
> : statements that any good decent all talk no action PC type would classify as
> : racist, so who are you to talk?
>
> Ben, do you have any idea wtf Rob is talking about here?

I saw that, but clearly there's another Mr. Miller he is referring to.
I certainly never said you are a racist...I just think you're bored.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 00:46:14
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Ben. <kombi45@yahoo.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
: >
: > : As Mr. Miller has pointed out, you have made
: > : statements that any good decent all talk no action PC type would classify as
: > : racist, so who are you to talk?
: >
: > Ben, do you have any idea wtf Rob is talking about here?
:
: I saw that, but clearly there's another Mr. Miller he is referring to.
: I certainly never said you are a racist...I just think you're bored.

That's me. I pretty much alternate between frenzied and bored,
not much in-between unless I'm on the golf course.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 17 Sep 2006 13:25:22
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Sorry, Rob, Eric is a serial liar, a racist, and essentially
> unstable. The last part I can forgive. The first two, not so
> easily. If he doesn't like being called on those things, the
> obvious appropriate action is to stop *being* those things.
> If he's a victim, it's only of his own behavior. He had every
> chance to be just another part of the rsg community; it was
> he who made the choices that made that untenable.

You have yet to prove that he's a liar. As for being a racist, I saw
no evidence of this when I was with him. I challenge you to cite your
proof.

-Greg

Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:11:09
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Sorry, Rob, Eric is a serial liar, a racist, and essentially
: > unstable. The last part I can forgive. The first two, not so
: > easily. If he doesn't like being called on those things, the
: > obvious appropriate action is to stop *being* those things.
: > If he's a victim, it's only of his own behavior. He had every
: > chance to be just another part of the rsg community; it was
: > he who made the choices that made that untenable.
:
: You have yet to prove that he's a liar. As for being a racist, I saw
: no evidence of this when I was with him. I challenge you to cite your
: proof.

All of his original posts have apparently been removed from
Google (gosh, I wonder why), but sadly for him, the followups
remain:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/9e660384a96b7f8e?dmode=source&hl=en

Maerst wrote:
>
> i disagree with your premise that golf courses
> charge too much. if golf was cheap, just think
> of all the low class imbeciles that would be on the
> golfcourse. the nice thing about golf is the you
> have the chance to get away in a beautiful environment
> with quality people who respect the game and its
> environment. by pricing out low class people, you
> can enjoy a day out without having to rub elbows with
> these slobs. can you imagine if golf was only $10.00.

<BEGIN SPECIAL EMPHASIS >

> you would have every redneck and african out there
> hacking away at the turf. these people will not take
> the time to learn the game and pay it the homage it
> deserves.

<END SPECIAL EMPHASIS >

> The same for equipment. if you keep the
> tools expensive, you will maintain an element of
> elitism. I am not rich, but work extra hours
> to afford to play nice courses. i say keep prices
> high to keep trash out

Logical inferences here:

1. "African" = "redneck"
2. "Africans" will not take the time to learn the game, etc.
3. "Africans" = "trash"
4. Elitism is good.

As is pretty obvious, that post stuck in my craw, permanently,
as it should with any decent person. It's one of the most
despicable things I've ever seen posted in rsg.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 01:40:14
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:

>
> : You have yet to prove that he's a liar. As for being a racist, I saw
> : no evidence of this when I was with him. I challenge you to cite your
> : proof.
>
> All of his original posts have apparently been removed from
> Google (gosh, I wonder why), but sadly for him, the followups
> remain:
>
> > you would have every redneck and african out there
> > hacking away at the turf. these people will not take
> > the time to learn the game and pay it the homage it
> > deserves.
>
> As is pretty obvious, that post stuck in my craw, permanently,
> as it should with any decent person. It's one of the most
> despicable things I've ever seen posted in rsg.

Regardless of your "interpretations", I have heard African Americans make exactly the
same references, except African Americans can use the N word, and do in that reference.
Why don't you and your buddies play at some inner city Dallas courses...like Billo used
to play an inner city course in Jackson? I know about Billo because I played there with
him a few times when he was in Jackson. Eric's statement is a bit of an elitist
statement, but an elitism no different from yours, as you don't want to play on courses
with "those sorts of people" either. Deeds speak!

Pretty selective on despicable statements. I can think of far worse. Doesn't make you
anything other than what you are in any event.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 02:04:56
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:

: Regardless of your "interpretations",

Those weren't interpretations. They were logical inferences.
You're smart enough to know the difference.

: I have heard African Americans make exactly the
: same references, except African Americans can use the N word,
: and do in that reference.

My God, Rob. Are you seriously saying that racial self-deprecation
justifies others labeling that race as "trash?" You're a much
uglier person than imagined. I just can't believe you really
think this way.

: Why don't you and your buddies play at some inner city Dallas courses...

1. I live in Fort Worth.
2. I played Cedar Crest just last week.
3. I play Tenison Park on occasion.
4. I play Meadowbrook and Rockwood in FW regularly.

So you can take this particular bit of sanctimony and have Eric
insert it where his expertise apparently lies.

One other thing: your insistence that I produce some sort of
resume of reaching out to other races before I can criticize
Eric's labeling of Africans as trash is itself despicable.
My family has worked for social justice for all races for
generations -- and lived with the hostility of bigots for
our trouble as we did. I'm proud that my grandmother was
known as the "n***er lover" of Chilicothe, Texas, and I hope
I live up to her standard. But I don't have a fuckin' thing
to prove to you.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 03:57:25
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:

> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
>
> : I have heard African Americans make exactly the
> : same references, except African Americans can use the N word,
> : and do in that reference.
>
> My God, Rob. Are you seriously saying that racial self-deprecation
> justifies others labeling that race as "trash?" You're a much
> uglier person than imagined. I just can't believe you really
> think this way.

So it's OK to refer to certain caucasians as "rednecks", but African-Americans
aren't "supposed" to call the African-American thugs, drug dealers & etc in
the community "N's"? That is clearly the reference Eric was making, and you
have to know this, as it is a very common reference to that specific sort of
person. Your interpretation sounds like you want to hector the
African-American community on what they are "supposed" to do. The basic fact
is though that it isn't up to you, and no one really needs someone like you
(or me) telling them how to interpret their own community for themselves.It
certainly doesn't make you look "enlightened", that's for sure.

If Eric is a racist, no way he is going to serve the community he serves. He
doesn't have to serve that community. He can find some north GA lilly white
hospital and work there. He doesn't. It's that simple. Eic chooses to serve
minorities on a daily basis as part of his professional life (at the very
least). And you? Who do you choose to interact with directly and daily in your
professional life?

Date: 18 Sep 2006 04:32:53
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
:
: > Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
: >
: > : I have heard African Americans make exactly the
: > : same references, except African Americans can use the N word,
: > : and do in that reference.
: >
: > My God, Rob. Are you seriously saying that racial self-deprecation
: > justifies others labeling that race as "trash?" You're a much
: > uglier person than imagined. I just can't believe you really
: > think this way.
:
: So it's OK to refer to certain caucasians as "rednecks", but African-Americans
: aren't "supposed" to call the African-American thugs, drug dealers & etc in
: the community "N's"?

WTF are you babbling about? This isn't about what epithets
are and aren't ok. It's about Eric's plainly stated equivalence
of "Africans" with "trash." Period!

: If Eric is a racist, no way he is going to serve the community he serves.

Is that a fact? How many times have you been to work with him?
Zero? Please.

Goodbye, Rob. I'm sorry I thought you had any reason left in you.
It's back to /dev/null with you now.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:47:10
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris,

He lives in Mississippi.

Do you really need to know much more?

Randy

"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3fnsa9Ipn1N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :
> :> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
> :>
> :> : I have heard African Americans make exactly the
> :> : same references, except African Americans can use the N word,
> :> : and do in that reference.
> :>
> :> My God, Rob. Are you seriously saying that racial self-deprecation
> :> justifies others labeling that race as "trash?" You're a much
> :> uglier person than imagined. I just can't believe you really
> :> think this way.
> :
> : So it's OK to refer to certain caucasians as "rednecks", but
> African-Americans
> : aren't "supposed" to call the African-American thugs, drug dealers & etc
> in
> : the community "N's"?
>
> WTF are you babbling about? This isn't about what epithets
> are and aren't ok. It's about Eric's plainly stated equivalence
> of "Africans" with "trash." Period!
>
> : If Eric is a racist, no way he is going to serve the community he
> serves.
>
> Is that a fact? How many times have you been to work with him?
> Zero? Please.
>
> Goodbye, Rob. I'm sorry I thought you had any reason left in you.
> It's back to /dev/null with you now.
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 23:37:36
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

X-No-Archive: yes

\"R&B\" wrote:

> Chris,
>
> He lives in Mississippi.
>
> Do you really need to know much more?
>

Given that there is unlikely anywhere in MS that is as racist as The City of
Hate or Atlanta, I suspect the meaning here is that in being from Mississippi,
I'm not familiar first hand with racism so much as Bellomy or Brown. Bellomy
definately comes across as racist to me; your classic old style liberal racist.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 00:00:09
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:450F2BFF.97F9F103@att.net...
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> \"R&B\" wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> He lives in Mississippi.
>>
>> Do you really need to know much more?
>>
>
> Given that there is unlikely anywhere in MS that is as racist as The City
> of
> Hate or Atlanta, I suspect the meaning here is that in being from
> Mississippi,
> I'm not familiar first hand with racism so much as Bellomy or Brown.
> Bellomy
> definately comes across as racist to me; your classic old style liberal
> racist.

No one accuses me of being a racist without suffering some repercussions.

Yours must be simply that you're the blindest, most misinformed, useless
fucktard that has ever been belched out from under a rock.

Rob, don't cross my path in person. Your accusation is one that I would not
let pass without a confrontation.

Randy

Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:28:05
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
: Chris,
:
: He lives in Mississippi.
:
: Do you really need to know much more?

I'm just confused, because by many accounts, yours included,
he's a very pleasant, easy going guy in person. Maybe that
just turned out to be misleading, I dunno.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 19 Sep 2006 09:19:54
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

In article <svGdnfnoFrUxapPYnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com >,
"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

> Chris,
>
> He lives in Mississippi.
>
> Do you really need to know much more?
>
> Randy

Posting something like this belittles you, not your target.

B. Martin

Date: 19 Sep 2006 14:43:42
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

<marti285@umn.edu > wrote ...
> In article <svGdnfnoFrUxapPYnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> He lives in Mississippi.
>>
>> Do you really need to know much more?
>>
>> Randy
>
> Posting something like this belittles you, not your target.
>
> B. Martin

Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:38:34
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

In article <7fidndcTdtnUp43YnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com >,
"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

> <marti285@umn.edu> wrote ...
> > In article <svGdnfnoFrUxapPYnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> He lives in Mississippi.
> >>
> >> Do you really need to know much more?
> >>
> >> Randy
> >
> > Posting something like this belittles you, not your target.
> >
> > B. Martin
>
>
> Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.

Yes, Mississippi has a weaker reputation for supporting education. But,
not everyone currently there was educated there. Many folks originally
from Mississippi went elsewhere for college and many others from other
states are employed in the state. Equating living in Mississippi with
an inferior mind-set or intellectual capabiity says more about your
limitations than it does about anyone in Mississippi.

Note that for most of the country, the reputation of Georgia in
education is little better than Mississippi. Every state education
system has its defenders and its critics. I currently live in
Minnesota, which has a stronger reputation than Tennessee where I lived
just before moving to Minnesota. I am less satisfied with the Minnesota
schools than Tennessee schools in the development of problem solving
skills, outside the box thining, and other areas. Many of the states
with good reputations are bogged down with "teaching to the test" for
the purpose of scoring high on nationally-normed achievement tests, such
as the Terra Nova. These reanking data do not prove anything about the
true quality of the education product.

B. Martin

B. Martin

Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:15:06
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:450E1763.FFDE6410@att.net...
>
> So it's OK to refer to certain caucasians as "rednecks",

Redneck is a state of mind, not a race.

Date: 24 Sep 2006 14:02:01
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz/Another Death Threat?

The_Professor wrote:
> Gordo wrote:
> >
> > Good research Ben. Perhaps now RB will shut the hell up.
>
> A song I like says "everybodies got to die one day". That's the only
> thing that will shut Brown up. He is a leading expert on saying nothing
> with the maximum words possible, and not even seeing the lameness of
> what he says! Mr. Miller isn't much different!

Are you saying that Randy must die because you think his posts are too
long?

Date: 24 Sep 2006 12:38:48
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Gordo wrote:
>
> Good research Ben. Perhaps now RB will shut the hell up.

A song I like says "everybodies got to die one day". That's the only
thing that will shut Brown up. He is a leading expert on saying nothing
with the maximum words possible, and not even seeing the lameness of
what he says! Mr. Miller isn't much different!

Date: 17 Sep 2006 13:23:49
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

annika1980 wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
>
> No doubt a few of you idiots will race to see who will become the first
> to cross that line.
> Why not leave his personal life out of it?
>
> I've probably been called more things by him than all of you folks put
> together (Randy & Bobby excepted, perhaps). What would you have me do,
> go tell on him? Grow the fuck up.

Well said Bret.

Eric runs a very successful side business. Basically he and a staff of
medical professionals will come to a large employer and do basic health
exams, teach classes, etc., all designed to create a healthier
workplace.

When I was in Atlanta, I played with Eric and a CEO of large company
who joined up with us. Eric was very smooth in introducing his
business, when asked. By the time we were done with the round, Eric
had a client. I was very impressed with his approach and
professionalism. One more reason I have no trouble believing Eric when
he states that graduated at the top of his class, with his multiple
degrees.

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:18:56
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1158524629.409439.134390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> annika1980 wrote:
>> glfnaz wrote:
>> >
>> > I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
>>
>> No doubt a few of you idiots will race to see who will become the first
>> to cross that line.
>> Why not leave his personal life out of it?
>>
>> I've probably been called more things by him than all of you folks put
>> together (Randy & Bobby excepted, perhaps). What would you have me do,
>> go tell on him? Grow the fuck up.
>
> Well said Bret.
>
> Eric runs a very successful side business. Basically he and a staff of
> medical professionals will come to a large employer and do basic health
> exams, teach classes, etc., all designed to create a healthier
> workplace.

Back when we were still on speaking terms, Eric had told me more or less the
same thing. I understood completely what the website was all about -- it
was one of Eric's clients, not an "employer," per se. And I'm sure, given
his training, he's quite good at providing the services described above.

And for the record, I know of no one here or on the c-list who has ever even
so much as contemplated mentioning any of Eric's naughty online behavior to
one of his clients or his employer.

Most, if not all of us, were around back when some low-life in RSG (whose
name escapes me now) did just that to the employer of another RSGer (whose
name also escapes me now, but I don't believe he posts here any more). We
were outraged then, and we'd be equally outraged now if someone pullled a
similar trick again....yes, even against Eric, who isn't exactly our
favorite person in the world.

To suggest that we don't have lines that divide acceptable and unacceptable
behavior is a ridiculous insinuation. The truth is, you have your lines and
we have ours. We don't all agree on where those lines should be. But
clearly, we're all in agreement that personal vendettas against posters in a
Usenet newsgroup should be left at the keyboard and not acted upon in a
real-life circumstance. Anyone who would do is is clearly off their rocker.

> When I was in Atlanta, I played with Eric and a CEO of large company
> who joined up with us. Eric was very smooth in introducing his
> business, when asked. By the time we were done with the round, Eric
> had a client. I was very impressed with his approach and
> professionalism. One more reason I have no trouble believing Eric when
> he states that graduated at the top of his class, with his multiple
> degrees.

I've known plenty of people who can interract in the kindest, most cordial
way possible in business and social circles. Heck, they thrive on it.
Doesn't mean they're not completely phucked up people who will turn on
someone in a New Jersey minute when they're away from those more
public/professional settings. It only means they know how and when to turn
on the charm when it serves their interest.

There's a word for people like that -- phony.

Eric has shown his ass (and at times described, in graphic detail, what it
is up to) enough times here not to believe there's a side to him that's not
as cordial, polite, proper and "professional" as he'd like us to believe he
truly is.

The fact that you're willing to completely ignore that side of him. yet only
believe the worst about others, demonstrates a level of hypocrisy that I
find utterly you.

Didn't you once tell me privately that you were in the ministry?

Randy

Date: 18 Sep 2006 08:59:18
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

X-No-Archive: yes

Dene wrote:
>
> You only monitor this and one other thread, both having to do with
> Eric.
>
> Why?

Just a guess, but when you live in Wimberley, Texas, and the big day
out is a trip to pioneer town, it doesn't leave much to do!

HAVE MERCY!!!!

Date: 18 Sep 2006 08:51:56
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

ynaught wrote:

> Geez Chris, you don't get it! You need to read RSG on a 24/7 basis so that
> when you disagree with a crony you can *immediately post* it here. A reply
> 12 hours later makes it seem that you don't give a rip what someome wrote.
> You are late to the party. You need to have less of a life so that you can
> monitor all messages on this board. In that way you will win the praise of
> a pair of trolls.

Mr. naught,

You only monitor this and one other thread, both having to do with
Eric.

Why?

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 08:14:40
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> : I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
> :>
> :> I wonder if the DR there *needs* to know that.
> :>
> :> Actually, I don't. There's no need for that at all. So much for
> :> crony groupthink. Damn.
> :
> : OTOH, you wrote this 12 hours after calling Eric a liar and a racist.
>
> Which he is. What's your point?

Which he's not, nor do you have any evidence thereof to support your
lame accusations. You've been around Eric once and yet you know him
better than Rob? Guess Rob is dumb and you are smart.

> : I'd charactize your criticism of cronysm as both lite and late.
>
> I'm not criticizing it. I'm lampooning your lame accusations
> of same. If you'll notice, I was disagreeing here with known
> crony Brad. That sort of thing happens all the time, but you
> either don't notice or don't want to acknowledge it.

Brad use to refer to himself as a GDI, and for a time, he was.

As for your criticism of these cronies, just tell me the last time it
occured, or better yet, have your go-fer do it for me. Won't take
long.

> If it's wagon circling you want, grab a mirror. There appears
> to be a drine of Strulowitzian Infallability in the works.
> (Enjoy the phrase, Eric, it's free of charge.)

I've criticized Eric for a number of things.

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 08:20:09
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1158592479.857401.42150@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Brad use to refer to himself as a GDI, and for a time, he was.
> -Greg
>
Honestly Greg, and I do not wish to be in any flame war with you, but...
I think for myself.
And nobody that I may share any relationship with whether it be a mail list,
a club, a political party, a church, or anything else....will ever cause me
to be like-minded on any subject.
Just because I enjoy associations with selected folks, does not mean I want
to think as they do on all subjects. In fact the reverse is true...I enjoy
the exchange of different ideas.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 16:55:02
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote:
:
: "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
: news:1158592479.857401.42150@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
: > Brad use to refer to himself as a GDI, and for a time, he was.
: > -Greg
: >
: Honestly Greg, and I do not wish to be in any flame war with you, but...
: I think for myself.
: And nobody that I may share any relationship with whether it be a mail list,
: a club, a political party, a church, or anything else....will ever cause me
: to be like-minded on any subject.
: Just because I enjoy associations with selected folks, does not mean I want
: to think as they do on all subjects. In fact the reverse is true...I enjoy
: the exchange of different ideas.

And, uh, we're all pretty much that way.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 22:01:01
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
: > :
: > : Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > :> glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote:
: > :>
: > :> : I wonder if the DR there knows that Eric is a CumWad poster?
: > :>
: > :> I wonder if the DR there *needs* to know that.
: > :>
: > :> Actually, I don't. There's no need for that at all. So much for
: > :> crony groupthink. Damn.
: > :
: > : OTOH, you wrote this 12 hours after calling Eric a liar and a racist.
: >
: > Which he is. What's your point?
:
: Which he's not, nor do you have any evidence thereof to support your
: lame accusations.

The racism is pretty much beyond dispute.

The lying? If he's not a liar, why is still posting here?

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 07:31:08
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> WTF are you babbling about? This isn't about what epithets
> are and aren't ok. It's about Eric's plainly stated equivalence
> of "Africans" with "trash." Period!

The statements of the equivalence of African Americans with trash come
from your mind; that's your interpretation of Erics use of a fairly
commonly used phrase, which, as I have rather clearly stated, has
another meaning, and is well known.

When people around here talk like you do, we say that the person is
either ignorant or up to something. I suspect you are the latter. This
thread is a specific and pointed attack on Eric, and is nothing more
than the expression of the meaness of spirit of the person who started
it, who is, IMHO as someone who has been around here for a while, one
of the most mean spirited person who posts here.

I have had the misfortune of having to golf with racists from time to
time in Toronto, Athens Ohio, Saskatoon (the worst case I have ever
experienced was there) and here. Eric is nothing like those people, and
I have socialized with Eric and his wife on numerous occasions. You
just throw out the accusation as a barb to wound him, and you can get a
response...and it makes you feel good. Well good for you! IMHO, you are
no different than a racist...running other people down to serve
whatever.....

Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:12:29
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:

>
> No, here is where you are simply wrong.
>
> He has never apologized and shown a hint of remorse for the severity of his
> attacks. He raised issues that had never been an issue and attempted to
> humiliate me by throwing every possible thing concerning my personal life --
> much of which he simply made up out of thin air -- and never expressed even
> a hint of regret for doing so.
>
> So, Dene, this is where you lose me. There was never a sincere apology and
> an expression of remorse for turning a Usenet debate into a all-out personal
> assult for no reason whatsoever.
>
> And frankly, if the apology finally came now (which I'm not holding my
> breath for), it would be about 2 1/2 years too late.
>
> Oh, and unbeknownst to you, there was a little telephone call exchange after
> the Usenet postings that nobody here will ever know the full details of.
> Suffice it to say that the same tone expressed in those Usenet postings were
> repeated to me over the phone.
>
> So, no -- you're simply misinformed. There was no apology. There never has
> been.

I could indeed be misinformed. If Eric didn't own up, then you have
every reason to hold this on him. At least....that's how I see it.
I've applied the same standard with you, for all the unprovoked attacks
you've laid on me.

> Show me where he's ever owned up to what he did. I don't accept
that. I've
> never once seen him admit -- with sufficient details concerning our exchange
> to indicate he's apologizing for THIS -- that he was blatantly over the top,
> mean-spirited and unecessarily personal in his reaction to a debate that had
> nothing whatsoever to do with most of the issues he brought up to attack me
> with.
>
> Have you ever actually READ what he said, for Chrissake, Dene? How can you
> possible defend it?

Of course I read it. Again, as I stated before, I criticized Eric for
it.

> > As for his and mine relationship, Eric and I had a rough beginning, but
> > now we have a solid friendship. There may come a time when he blasts
> > me. If so, then I will have the same decision you have about him,
> > assuming he and I own up for our role in the conflict. Until then, I
> > trust him, like him, and will continue to until he gives me "7 times
> > 77" reasons not to. If that makes me a hypocrite in your eyes, so be
> > it.
>
>
> I don't consider you that much of a hypocrite. I just think you have very
> low standards.

My standards for friendship would be lower if we were friends.

> >> Didn't you once tell me privately that you were in the ministry?
> >
> > In my 20's, I worked with kids in a church/para-church setting. And
> > the reason you bring up a private discussion is......???
>
>
> Not all that private, actually. You brought it up on the c-list before your
> banishment. So I guess I'm as guilty of taking a c-list conversation to RSG
> as you have been on numerous occasions. Sue me.

Misinformed are you. I told Annika privately what Strauss said. He
brought it out into the open. Name these other times, showboat.

> Just wanted it out in the open.

For what purpose? I'm not ashamed of the impact the program had on
young people. We did a lot of wonderful things. I was broke as can
be....but fulfilled.

-Greg

Date: 19 Sep 2006 14:41:29
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote
>
>> Just wanted it out in the open.
>
> For what purpose? I'm not ashamed of the impact the program had on
> young people.

You have no reason to be ashamed of its affect on young people.

I'm just wondering how proud they are of the lasting effect (or lack
thereof) it had on you.

Randy

Date: 18 Sep 2006 19:51:10
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:

> : An obvious trolling post given 8 years ago.
>
> On what basis do you think it's an obvious troll? And on what
> basis would that make it acceptable?

It's the same kind of troll/gag he made at me. Even if he meant it
then, is it possible that he's grown in that regard? Many people do.

> : There is no subsequent
> : evidence that he meant it, by his posts in RSG, or in real life
> : encounters.
>
> That's not the only racist post he's ever made. It's just the
> one I remembered vividly enough to google up.

Eric's been a regular since 2001. There have been no posts of that
nature since then. I suggest getting your pet go-fer on it. Should
only take him 460 seconds.

> : And yet you play golf with a misogynist.
>
> Who the fuck are you talking about?

Don't play dumb.

> :> :> The lying? If he's not a liar, why is still posting here?
> :> :
> :> : ?????
> :>
> :> Why is he still posting here? (lost: one pronoun)
> :
> : Free country?
>
> Yeah, he's free to lie about his intentions, that's true. But
> he's still a liar when he does.

So says you.

-Greg

Date: 19 Sep 2006 02:00:07
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Snippit...

Of course the originator of this post, and its main perpetuator are both
showing their extreme anti-semetism in attacking a man like this, by
name, and wanting to claim he is a racist, even though they live
racially segrergated lives while Eric does not, is a tad funny and a lot
pathetic. Eric has the personality of a person of Jewish ancestry from
New Jersey, and that type of person is clearly not welcome in the world
of Rick Rider and Chris Bellomy.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 18:16:05
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> The racism is pretty much beyond dispute.
> :
> : So far, it's just you claiming it. Are you the king of RSG?
>
> Oh come on, his words speak for themselves.

An obvious trolling post given 8 years ago. There is no subsequent
evidence that he meant it, by his posts in RSG, or in real life
encounters.

And yet you play golf with a misogynist.

> :> The lying? If he's not a liar, why is still posting here?
> :
> : ?????
>
> Why is he still posting here? (lost: one pronoun)

Free country?

-Greg

Date: 19 Sep 2006 01:28:26
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
: > :
: > : Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > :> The racism is pretty much beyond dispute.
: > :
: > : So far, it's just you claiming it. Are you the king of RSG?
: >
: > Oh come on, his words speak for themselves.
:
: An obvious trolling post given 8 years ago.

On what basis do you think it's an obvious troll? And on what
basis would that make it acceptable?

: There is no subsequent
: evidence that he meant it, by his posts in RSG, or in real life
: encounters.

That's not the only racist post he's ever made. It's just the
one I remembered vividly enough to google up.

: And yet you play golf with a misogynist.

Who the fuck are you talking about?

: > :> The lying? If he's not a liar, why is still posting here?
: > :
: > : ?????
: >
: > Why is he still posting here? (lost: one pronoun)
:
: Free country?

Yeah, he's free to lie about his intentions, that's true. But
he's still a liar when he does.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:28:49
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> The racism is pretty much beyond dispute.

So far, it's just you claiming it. Are you the king of RSG?

> The lying? If he's not a liar, why is still posting here?

?????

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 23:31:05
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > The racism is pretty much beyond dispute.
:
: So far, it's just you claiming it. Are you the king of RSG?

Oh come on, his words speak for themselves.

: > The lying? If he's not a liar, why is still posting here?
:
: ?????

Why is he still posting here? (lost: one pronoun)

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:25:35
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:

> I've known plenty of people who can interract in the kindest, most cordial
> way possible in business and social circles. Heck, they thrive on it.
> Doesn't mean they're not completely phucked up people who will turn on
> someone in a New Jersey minute when they're away from those more
> public/professional settings. It only means they know how and when to turn
> on the charm when it serves their interest.
>
> There's a word for people like that -- phony.
>
> Eric has shown his ass (and at times described, in graphic detail, what it
> is up to) enough times here not to believe there's a side to him that's not
> as cordial, polite, proper and "professional" as he'd like us to believe he
> truly is.
>
> The fact that you're willing to completely ignore that side of him. yet only
> believe the worst about others, demonstrates a level of hypocrisy that I
> find utterly you.

Here are the facts, Randy. Eric blasted you. I criticized him for it,
along with others. He apologized to you and yet you still will not let
it go, often referring to it each time your post about him.

There is a word for that.....bitterness. Eric owned up. It's up to
you to either let it go or hang on to it.

As for his and mine relationship, Eric and I had a rough beginning, but
now we have a solid friendship. There may come a time when he blasts
me. If so, then I will have the same decision you have about him,
assuming he and I own up for our role in the conflict. Until then, I
trust him, like him, and will continue to until he gives me "7 times
77" reasons not to. If that makes me a hypocrite in your eyes, so be
it.

> Didn't you once tell me privately that you were in the ministry?

In my 20's, I worked with kids in a church/para-church setting. And
the reason you bring up a private discussion is......???

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 23:55:15
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1158618335.482537.207970@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>
>> I've known plenty of people who can interract in the kindest, most
>> cordial
>> way possible in business and social circles. Heck, they thrive on it.
>> Doesn't mean they're not completely phucked up people who will turn on
>> someone in a New Jersey minute when they're away from those more
>> public/professional settings. It only means they know how and when to
>> turn
>> on the charm when it serves their interest.
>>
>> There's a word for people like that -- phony.
>>
>> Eric has shown his ass (and at times described, in graphic detail, what
>> it
>> is up to) enough times here not to believe there's a side to him that's
>> not
>> as cordial, polite, proper and "professional" as he'd like us to believe
>> he
>> truly is.
>>
>> The fact that you're willing to completely ignore that side of him. yet
>> only
>> believe the worst about others, demonstrates a level of hypocrisy that I
>> find utterly you.
>
> Here are the facts, Randy. Eric blasted you. I criticized him for it,
> along with others. He apologized to you and yet you still will not let
> it go, often referring to it each time your post about him.

No, here is where you are simply wrong.

He has never apologized and shown a hint of remorse for the severity of his
attacks. He raised issues that had never been an issue and attempted to
humiliate me by throwing every possible thing concerning my personal life --
much of which he simply made up out of thin air -- and never expressed even
a hint of regret for doing so.

So, Dene, this is where you lose me. There was never a sincere apology and
an expression of remorse for turning a Usenet debate into a all-out personal
assult for no reason whatsoever.

And frankly, if the apology finally came now (which I'm not holding my
breath for), it would be about 2 1/2 years too late.

Oh, and unbeknownst to you, there was a little telephone call exchange after
the Usenet postings that nobody here will ever know the full details of.
Suffice it to say that the same tone expressed in those Usenet postings were
repeated to me over the phone.

So, no -- you're simply misinformed. There was no apology. There never has
been.

> There is a word for that.....bitterness. Eric owned up. It's up to
> you to either let it go or hang on to it.

Show me where he's ever owned up to what he did. I don't accept that. I've
never once seen him admit -- with sufficient details concerning our exchange
to indicate he's apologizing for THIS -- that he was blatantly over the top,
mean-spirited and unecessarily personal in his reaction to a debate that had
nothing whatsoever to do with most of the issues he brought up to attack me
with.

Have you ever actually READ what he said, for Chrissake, Dene? How can you
possible defend it?

> As for his and mine relationship, Eric and I had a rough beginning, but
> now we have a solid friendship. There may come a time when he blasts
> me. If so, then I will have the same decision you have about him,
> assuming he and I own up for our role in the conflict. Until then, I
> trust him, like him, and will continue to until he gives me "7 times
> 77" reasons not to. If that makes me a hypocrite in your eyes, so be
> it.

I don't consider you that much of a hypocrite. I just think you have very
low standards.

>> Didn't you once tell me privately that you were in the ministry?
>
> In my 20's, I worked with kids in a church/para-church setting. And
> the reason you bring up a private discussion is......???

Not all that private, actually. You brought it up on the c-list before your
banishment. So I guess I'm as guilty of taking a c-list conversation to RSG
as you have been on numerous occasions. Sue me.

Just wanted it out in the open.

Randy

> -Greg
>

Date: 18 Sep 2006 13:07:25
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:
> Chris,
>
> He lives in Mississippi.
>
> Do you really need to know much more?
>

Insightful.

Date: 18 Sep 2006 11:45:09
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1158602630.567702.115390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >> And, uh, we're all pretty much that way.
> >
> > Perhaps within the C-list but I see little evidence of this in RSG.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> Many Listers have each other <plonked> on RSG.
> Hows that for a crony club?

Sounds like we need to have breakfast. I got my own list to report to.
; >

-Greg

Ps. You're buying!

Date: 18 Sep 2006 11:03:50
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote:
> :
> : "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message
> : news:1158592479.857401.42150@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> :> Brad use to refer to himself as a GDI, and for a time, he was.
> :> -Greg
> :>
> : Honestly Greg, and I do not wish to be in any flame war with you, but...
> : I think for myself.
> : And nobody that I may share any relationship with whether it be a mail list,
> : a club, a political party, a church, or anything else....will ever cause me
> : to be like-minded on any subject.
> : Just because I enjoy associations with selected folks, does not mean I want
> : to think as they do on all subjects. In fact the reverse is true...I enjoy
> : the exchange of different ideas.
>
> And, uh, we're all pretty much that way.

Perhaps within the C-list but I see little evidence of this in RSG.

-Greg

Date: 18 Sep 2006 11:22:04
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1158602630.567702.115390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> And, uh, we're all pretty much that way.
>
> Perhaps within the C-list but I see little evidence of this in RSG.
>
> -Greg
>
Many Listers have each other <plonked > on RSG.
Hows that for a crony club?

Date: 19 Sep 2006 07:51:16
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Dene wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:

>
> > >> Didn't you once tell me privately that you were in the ministry?
> > >
> > > In my 20's, I worked with kids in a church/para-church setting. And
> > > the reason you bring up a private discussion is......???
> >
> >
> > Not all that private, actually. You brought it up on the c-list before your
> > banishment. So I guess I'm as guilty of taking a c-list conversation to RSG
> > as you have been on numerous occasions. Sue me.
>
> Misinformed are you. I told Annika privately what Strauss said. He
> brought it out into the open. Name these other times, showboat.
>
> > Just wanted it out in the open.
>
> For what purpose? I'm not ashamed of the impact the program had on
> young people. We did a lot of wonderful things. I was broke as can
> be....but fulfilled.
>
> -Greg

I'm still totally trying to figure out what this had to do with this
thread. Unbelievable the things that are coming up. For the record, I
once also worked with youth in a Church that I was attending. Most
fulfilling time of my life. There, I said it!

Date: 20 Sep 2006 02:34:37
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Gordo wrote:

> >
> >
> > Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.
> >
> > Randy
>
> I'm having a bit of difficulty finding the ranking of states per
> education. Can anyone help me with that??
>
> Spent a lot of time in Mississsippi (playing golf with Rob) while I
> lived in New Orleans. This would be interesting information to have
> since we've got some of that foot in mouth thing going on.

I always wonder why it is so tough to find data on say, high school
diplomas per unit of money invested in education, or comparing like to
like, schools in poor rural areas tothe like in different states, or
schools in inner cities, or school in upscale suburbs. I wonder how rich
areas that get heavy federal subsidies nonetheless, like Seattle or
Baltimore compare to Jackson for number of HS diplomas per total $ spend
on HS education? Now if Jackson gets more bang for the buck, and is poor
and thus cannot tax it's own tax base (like MD can), why wouldn't the
needier, more efficient system get more federal $?

Date: 19 Sep 2006 21:32:10
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:4510A6FA.D6E32DC5@att.net...
> I always wonder why it is so tough to find data on say, high school
> diplomas per unit of money invested in education, or comparing like to
> like, schools in poor rural areas tothe like in different states, or
> schools in inner cities, or school in upscale suburbs. I wonder how rich
> areas that get heavy federal subsidies nonetheless, like Seattle or
> Baltimore compare to Jackson for number of HS diplomas per total $ spend
> on HS education? Now if Jackson gets more bang for the buck, and is poor
> and thus cannot tax it's own tax base (like MD can), why wouldn't the
> needier, more efficient system get more federal $?
>

Lousy Federal Representatives.
If they weren't all children of their cousins, concieved in the back of a
red pick-up, the system might change.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 11:56:01
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz wrote:

> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:4510A6FA.D6E32DC5@att.net...
> > I always wonder why it is so tough to find data on say, high school
> > diplomas per unit of money invested in education, or comparing like to
> > like, schools in poor rural areas tothe like in different states, or
> > schools in inner cities, or school in upscale suburbs. I wonder how rich
> > areas that get heavy federal subsidies nonetheless, like Seattle or
> > Baltimore compare to Jackson for number of HS diplomas per total $ spend
> > on HS education? Now if Jackson gets more bang for the buck, and is poor
> > and thus cannot tax it's own tax base (like MD can), why wouldn't the
> > needier, more efficient system get more federal $?
> >
>
> Lousy Federal Representatives.
> If they weren't all children of their cousins, concieved in the back of a
> red pick-up, the system might change.

That's a very racist thing to say about our representative, Mr. Thompson. I
understand the "naz" thing now.

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 19 Sep 2006 18:17:11
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Date: 19 Sep 2006 18:02:44
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Date: 19 Sep 2006 17:24:57
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

>
>
> Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.
>
> Randy

I'm having a bit of difficulty finding the ranking of states per
education. Can anyone help me with that??

Spent a lot of time in Mississsippi (playing golf with Rob) while I
lived in New Orleans. This would be interesting information to have
since we've got some of that foot in mouth thing going on.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 20:33:54
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Gordo wrote:
>>
>> Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.
>>
>> Randy
>
> I'm having a bit of difficulty finding the ranking of states per
> education. Can anyone help me with that??

Mississippi is usually figthing to get to 49th place.

> Spent a lot of time in Mississsippi (playing golf with Rob) while I
> lived in New Orleans. This would be interesting information to have
> since we've got some of that foot in mouth thing going on.
>

Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:57:32
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Bert Robbins" <screw@you.com > wrote in message
news:ZfOdnVqxZPruEY3YnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Gordo wrote:
>>>
>>> Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>
>> I'm having a bit of difficulty finding the ranking of states per
>> education. Can anyone help me with that??
>
> Mississippi is usually figthing to get to 49th place.

Usually fighting with Georgia, the state in which I live.

However, I didn't get my education here.

Randy

Date: 22 Sep 2006 23:47:17
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

On 20-Sep-2006, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

> > Mississippi is usually figthing to get to 49th place.
>
>
> Usually fighting with Georgia, the state in which I live.

When I lived there the state motto was: "Thank God for Louisiana!"

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 23 Sep 2006 02:03:09
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote in message
news:451475fc$0$23944$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com...
>
> On 20-Sep-2006, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>> > Mississippi is usually figthing to get to 49th place.
>>
>>
>> Usually fighting with Georgia, the state in which I live.
>
> When I lived there the state motto was: "Thank God for Louisiana!"

Yes, and I believe the state motto of Mississippi goes something like this:

"Mississippi: Three million people. Seven last names."

Randy

Date: 19 Sep 2006 16:47:54
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Gordo wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Excuse me, asshole, but I have never accused you of being a racist.
> >
> > The rest of this drivel is not worthy of a response.
> >
> > Randy
>
> That eloquence brought a tear to my eye..........
>
> LOL!

Just for the record, I am really sick of people who have no clue what
they are talking about running down Mississippi. The people of
Mississippi are the best people in the US...by far. Look at the
response to Katrina, and compare it to any other.

I can give many examples of the nature of people here, but just one. A
guy at a golf course where I played had his house destroyed by a
tornado, and he was seriously injured. He was not some great popular
guy, or someone who was entrenched in any social elite, just some guy.
The guys who golfed there gave him a furnished home to live in while he
revocered, and so much money was donated that he actually made money
off the disaster. We are not talking about some rich upscale gof course
either; a 35 buck (with cart) semi private course. I have seen things
like that many times here; never anywhere else.

We always get jerks running us down as some sort of den of old style
racists, which is a load of bull. Sure some of those guys are around,
but not as much as in say Atlanta, or DFW (the city of hate), and they
certainly do not have much if any politcal power. We have racism here
too, but no more than I have seen in Toronto, for example. What you
don't find in Toronto is the way people really help each other, really
care about each other, regardless of race, as evidenced by the response
to Katrina, and really pull together in times of trouble. Mississippi
is poor in the financial sense, but very rich in the human sense.

You can "think" whatever you want of Mississippi, but as one who has
moved around quite a bit in my life, this place has the best people I
have ever had the honor to live amongst.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 16:20:02
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Shows how good I am at this post lookup behavior! How about this!

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/8e7afd3dc4433182

Date: 19 Sep 2006 21:43:41
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1158708001.953968.107640@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Shows how good I am at this post lookup behavior! How about this!
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/8e7afd3dc4433182
>
To my eye, Rob Frostback appears the racist.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 12:02:02
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

glfnaz wrote:

> "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote in message
> news:1158708001.953968.107640@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Shows how good I am at this post lookup behavior! How about this!
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/8e7afd3dc4433182
> >
> To my eye, Rob Frostback appears the racist.

To each his own! If you think that I am a racist because I think that
troubled inner city youth doesn't spend a lot of time in high scholol,
so be it. IMHO you are plain ignorant....stick your head in the sand and
think good thoughts and the problems of the world will go away!

Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:30:03
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

In article <45112BF7.5AA36C35@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> glfnaz wrote:
>
> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:1158708001.953968.107640@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Shows how good I am at this post lookup behavior! How about this!
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/msg/8e7afd3dc4433182
> > >
> > To my eye, Rob Frostback appears the racist.
>
> To each his own! If you think that I am a racist because I think that
> troubled inner city youth doesn't spend a lot of time in high scholol,
> so be it. IMHO you are plain ignorant....stick your head in the sand and
> think good thoughts and the problems of the world will go away!

You were the poster citing inner city youth as a group staying away from
school without sense of reporting percentage. Do you really think all
inner city youth stay away from school? 80%? 40%?

If you can't understand how people will read this as you stereotyping a
group of people, then I find it hard to believe you are well regarded as
an instructor.

B. Martin

Date: 19 Sep 2006 16:17:31
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:

I have never accused you of being a racist.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/browse_frm/thread/f83c752da293129b/375344db6618c59b?lnk=gst&q=Inner+city+school&rnum=1#375344db6618c59b

I don't do the tiny URL thing, and I still contend that troubled inner
city youth, of any racial background, don't spend much time in high
school. Although if you assume that all kids in high school in inner
cities are "troubled"...well that's another thing! I know personally of
some examples that are not...many examples actually.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 16:17:26
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:

. > >>
> >> I'm just wondering how proud they are of the lasting effect (or lack
> >> thereof) it had on you

> > Got any more cheap shots, Randy? Of course, you have quite the dandy
> > life and legacy, don't ya?

> What would you know about it?

What I do know, I don't envy. The rest....I don't care, which is
precisely why I don't pose these kinds of questions to you.

> I said nothing about yours. I only posed a rhetorical question.

Hmmm....wasn't it you who penned these words.....
" I'm just wondering how proud they are of the lasting effect (or lack
thereof) it had on you."

Only rhetorical....uh huh....if that isn't a cheap shot at my
life/legacy, then what is? Rob is calling you a racist. I'm calling
you a liar.

-Greg

Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:55:45
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote
>
> I'm calling you a liar.

The minute I start caring what you think of me, I'll be sure to let you
know.

Randy

Date: 19 Sep 2006 16:13:16
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:

>
>
> Excuse me, asshole, but I have never accused you of being a racist.
>
> The rest of this drivel is not worthy of a response.
>
> Randy

That eloquence brought a tear to my eye..........

LOL!

Date: 19 Sep 2006 15:53:12
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

X-No-Archive: yes

"R&B" wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:450F2BFF.97F9F103@att.net...
> > X-No-Archive: yes
> >
> > \"R&B\" wrote:
> >
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> He lives in Mississippi.
> >>
> >> Do you really need to know much more?
> >>
> >
> > Given that there is unlikely anywhere in MS that is as racist as The City
> > of
> > Hate or Atlanta, I suspect the meaning here is that in being from
> > Mississippi,
> > I'm not familiar first hand with racism so much as Bellomy or Brown.
> > Bellomy
> > definately comes across as racist to me; your classic old style liberal
> > racist.
>
>
> No one accuses me of being a racist without suffering some repercussions.
>
> Yours must be simply that you're the blindest, most misinformed, useless
> fucktard that has ever been belched out from under a rock.
>
> Rob, don't cross my path in person. Your accusation is one that I would not
> let pass without a confrontation.
>

When you go off the deep end, you don't mess around. Eric may over
react to things people say, but at least people say the thing he is
reacting to.

However, I am a kind, caring, compassionate person, and you put so much
veracity into your post, that I would hate to see it go to waste, so
here ya go:

Randy Brown, you are a racist!

Now I get to say why!

You always bring up race. I basically don't care about race. We have
different cultures here in MS that are more or less race based, and we
can live with it on all sides and try to work together to understand
each other as best we can. I have never made any accomodation to anyone
one way or another based on race in my job. It's simply not an
important issue to me. I don't care. You called me a racist for stating
the fact that Jackson Public chools had serious truancy problems;
showing nothing but your total ignorance of the real life facts people
in inner cities have to live with, regardless.

Interestingly enough, it's the African American community that wants
segregation in MS, and it's the African American community that really
doesn't want much of the "dream" of politicians like Barack Obama, who
want us to all be one big happy monolithic culture. We have African
American schools, African American churches, African American
communties (gated with security!) and African American social clubs;
and that isn't goingto change in our lifetimes because the
African-American community wants it that way. I have no problem with
this at all, because it's none of my business. I have yet to run into
anyone who thinks they need mighty whitey to reach down to help lift up
the oppressed black people, that's for sure. No one needs you to stand
up for them, that's also for sure.

I really like the blues, and thus appreciate African American culture,
but not because of the skin color of the people involved; I just like
the blues. I have supported the blues about as much as any person such
as me could, simply because I appreciate the art form. I really like
low down juke-joint style blues, and was really dissappointed when the
last low down type juke joint around here that was more or less open to
everyone closed down. I also feel really guilty for not taking people
at the first Schmasters to that place. It was a total dump though, and
I didn't think anyone would have appreciated it for what it was. I
found out later I was wrong, and now the place is gone.

You want to jump all over me with this nonesense, fine with me, it's a
free world. I will tred where I will though, and if I run into you, and
you feel the need to physically assault me, so be it. I will not
resist, but I will do what I can to introduce you to a concept known as
the rule of law to the fullest extent that I can apply it to the
situation.

People like you, running around huffing and puffing about someone or
another being a racist is in itself racist; it's you who's making the
big deal out of race. JMHO though, and if yours differs thats fine with
me. I'm not going to assault you over it.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 18:57:37
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1158706392.427393.61990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:450F2BFF.97F9F103@att.net...
>> > X-No-Archive: yes
>> >
>> > \"R&B\" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Chris,
>> >>
>> >> He lives in Mississippi.
>> >>
>> >> Do you really need to know much more?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Given that there is unlikely anywhere in MS that is as racist as The
>> > City
>> > of
>> > Hate or Atlanta, I suspect the meaning here is that in being from
>> > Mississippi,
>> > I'm not familiar first hand with racism so much as Bellomy or Brown.
>> > Bellomy
>> > definately comes across as racist to me; your classic old style liberal
>> > racist.
>>
>>
>> No one accuses me of being a racist without suffering some repercussions.
>>
>> Yours must be simply that you're the blindest, most misinformed, useless
>> fucktard that has ever been belched out from under a rock.
>>
>> Rob, don't cross my path in person. Your accusation is one that I would
>> not
>> let pass without a confrontation.
>>
>
> When you go off the deep end, you don't mess around. Eric may over
> react to things people say, but at least people say the thing he is
> reacting to.
>
> However, I am a kind, caring, compassionate person, and you put so much
> veracity into your post, that I would hate to see it go to waste, so
> here ya go:
>
> Randy Brown, you are a racist!
>
> Now I get to say why!
>
> You always bring up race. I basically don't care about race. We have
> different cultures here in MS that are more or less race based, and we
> can live with it on all sides and try to work together to understand
> each other as best we can. I have never made any accomodation to anyone
> one way or another based on race in my job. It's simply not an
> important issue to me. I don't care. You called me a racist for stating
> the fact that Jackson Public chools had serious truancy problems;
> showing nothing but your total ignorance of the real life facts people
> in inner cities have to live with, regardless.
>
> Interestingly enough, it's the African American community that wants
> segregation in MS, and it's the African American community that really
> doesn't want much of the "dream" of politicians like Barack Obama, who
> want us to all be one big happy monolithic culture. We have African
> American schools, African American churches, African American
> communties (gated with security!) and African American social clubs;
> and that isn't goingto change in our lifetimes because the
> African-American community wants it that way. I have no problem with
> this at all, because it's none of my business. I have yet to run into
> anyone who thinks they need mighty whitey to reach down to help lift up
> the oppressed black people, that's for sure. No one needs you to stand
> up for them, that's also for sure.
>
> I really like the blues, and thus appreciate African American culture,
> but not because of the skin color of the people involved; I just like
> the blues. I have supported the blues about as much as any person such
> as me could, simply because I appreciate the art form. I really like
> low down juke-joint style blues, and was really dissappointed when the
> last low down type juke joint around here that was more or less open to
> everyone closed down. I also feel really guilty for not taking people
> at the first Schmasters to that place. It was a total dump though, and
> I didn't think anyone would have appreciated it for what it was. I
> found out later I was wrong, and now the place is gone.
>
> You want to jump all over me with this nonesense, fine with me, it's a
> free world. I will tred where I will though, and if I run into you, and
> you feel the need to physically assault me, so be it. I will not
> resist, but I will do what I can to introduce you to a concept known as
> the rule of law to the fullest extent that I can apply it to the
> situation.
>
> People like you, running around huffing and puffing about someone or
> another being a racist is in itself racist; it's you who's making the
> big deal out of race. JMHO though, and if yours differs thats fine with
> me. I'm not going to assault you over it.

Excuse me, asshole, but I have never accused you of being a racist.

The rest of this drivel is not worthy of a response.

Randy

Date: 19 Sep 2006 12:04:03
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote
> >
> >> Just wanted it out in the open.
> >
> > For what purpose? I'm not ashamed of the impact the program had on
> > young people.
>
>
> You have no reason to be ashamed of its affect on young people.
>
> I'm just wondering how proud they are of the lasting effect (or lack
> thereof) it had on you.
>
> Randy

The work was done in a town that I haven't lived in for 15 years, but I
assure you when I routinely visit, I'm thanked, by the grown kids and
their parents.

Here is one of the young men....

http://www.jefflucasmemorial.com

(he was something in "capture the flag")

Got any more cheap shots, Randy? Of course, you have quite the dandy
life and legacy, don't ya?

-Greg

Date: 19 Sep 2006 18:56:17
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1158692643.317739.258700@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote
>> >
>> >> Just wanted it out in the open.
>> >
>> > For what purpose? I'm not ashamed of the impact the program had on
>> > young people.
>>
>>
>> You have no reason to be ashamed of its affect on young people.
>>
>> I'm just wondering how proud they are of the lasting effect (or lack
>> thereof) it had on you.
>>
>> Randy
>
> The work was done in a town that I haven't lived in for 15 years, but I
> assure you when I routinely visit, I'm thanked, by the grown kids and
> their parents.
>
> Here is one of the young men....
>
> http://www.jefflucasmemorial.com
>
> (he was something in "capture the flag")
>
> Got any more cheap shots, Randy? Of course, you have quite the dandy
> life and legacy, don't ya?

What would you know about it?

I said nothing about yours. I only posed a rhetorical question.

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:01:29
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

marti285@umn.edu wrote:
> In article <7fidndcTdtnUp43YnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> > <marti285@umn.edu> wrote ...
> > > In article <svGdnfnoFrUxapPYnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > > "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris,
> > >>
> > >> He lives in Mississippi.
> > >>
> > >> Do you really need to know much more?
> > >>
> > >> Randy
> > >
> > > Posting something like this belittles you, not your target.
> > >
> > > B. Martin
> >
> >
> > Right. When I think education, I think Mississippi.
>
> Yes, Mississippi has a weaker reputation for supporting education. But,
> not everyone currently there was educated there. Many folks originally
> from Mississippi went elsewhere for college and many others from other
> states are employed in the state. Equating living in Mississippi with
> an inferior mind-set or intellectual capabiity says more about your
> limitations than it does about anyone in Mississippi.
>
> Note that for most of the country, the reputation of Georgia in
> education is little better than Mississippi. Every state education
> system has its defenders and its critics. I currently live in
> Minnesota, which has a stronger reputation than Tennessee where I lived
> just before moving to Minnesota. I am less satisfied with the Minnesota
> schools than Tennessee schools in the development of problem solving
> skills, outside the box thining, and other areas. Many of the states
> with good reputations are bogged down with "teaching to the test" for
> the purpose of scoring high on nationally-normed achievement tests, such
> as the Terra Nova. These reanking data do not prove anything about the
> true quality of the education product.
>
> B. Martin
>
I couldn't agree more with you. However, if you look at the schools in
the typical yuppie subdivisions in MS, they perform just as well as
anywhere else. I personally think Jackson Public schools probably get
more bang for the buck than say DC public schools, but that's just an
opinion. I'd like to see the data though. The worst numbers for MS come
from poor, rural, black areas that no one cares about, except people
like Thad Cochran and Bennie Thompson.

This last budget year, the state had to take money out of education to
buy pills for seniors. Say what you will about it, but the seniors
kicked up a big fuss about cuts in subsidies, and the money had to come
from somewhere. They cut the funding for pills because the feds
increased funding, so the net is that seniors, overall, get more money
for pills and middle schools in MS lose arts and music programs.

Date: 22 Sep 2006 01:41:32
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote
>
> The worst numbers for MS come from poor, rural,
> black areas that no one cares about, except people
> like Thad Cochran and Bennie Thompson.

?

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 07:22:58
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Tex wrote:
>
> I thought you were educated, and did research? What part of his
> statement is concerning race? Hell, he didn't even mention the color
> of the pickup!
>
> But since your intent was to spew the "nazi" comment, this thread is
> now terminated.
>
> Tex

Yup, I do research. This is naz

http://www.nuveen.com/

They invest in municipal utilites and services. You basic urban rail
system takes money from inner city people trying to get to work and
puts it in the pocket of fund investors.

But it's OK to make nasty remarks about local congressional
representatives...as long as the fund "generates revenue". While I have
noting against people making a buck, taking tax money to build up
public services is a different issue, IMHO. If they "make money" that
money should go back to the taxpayer, not to "investors".

So who's got nazi on the brain?

Date: 23 Sep 2006 02:06:31
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1158762178.728697.33450@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Tex wrote:
>>
>> I thought you were educated, and did research? What part of his
>> statement is concerning race? Hell, he didn't even mention the color
>> of the pickup!
>>
>> But since your intent was to spew the "nazi" comment, this thread is
>> now terminated.
>>
>> Tex
>
> Yup, I do research. This is naz
>
> http://www.nuveen.com/

Uh, Rob.....maybe you could do research, but have you considered THINKING?

glfnaz = Golf In Arizona (AZ) (which is the state where Brad lives)

DUHHH. Even a dummy like me could figure that one out.

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 06:18:43
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
>
> > "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:4510A6FA.D6E32DC5@att.net...
> > > I always wonder why it is so tough to find data on say, high school
> > > diplomas per unit of money invested in education, or comparing like to
> > > like, schools in poor rural areas tothe like in different states, or
> > > schools in inner cities, or school in upscale suburbs. I wonder how rich
> > > areas that get heavy federal subsidies nonetheless, like Seattle or
> > > Baltimore compare to Jackson for number of HS diplomas per total $ spend
> > > on HS education? Now if Jackson gets more bang for the buck, and is poor
> > > and thus cannot tax it's own tax base (like MD can), why wouldn't the
> > > needier, more efficient system get more federal $?
> > >
> >
> > Lousy Federal Representatives.
> > If they weren't all children of their cousins, concieved in the back of a
> > red pick-up, the system might change.
>
> That's a very racist thing to say about our representative, Mr. Thompson. I
> understand the "naz" thing now.

I thought you were educated, and did research? What part of his
statement is concerning race? Hell, he didn't even mention the color
of the pickup!

But since your intent was to spew the "nazi" comment, this thread is
now terminated.

Tex

Date: 20 Sep 2006 20:18:12
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz

"R&B" wrote:
> "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote
> >
> > I'm calling you a liar.
>
>
> The minute I start caring what you think of me, I'll be sure to let you
> know.
>
> Randy

Then I'll quote my friend Rob....

"I'll go back to ignoring you, and
suggest you do the same for me."

-Greg

Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:39:04
From:
Subject: Re: Eric Strulowitz