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Date: 23 Sep 2006 22:22:10
From: warren montgomery
Subject: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere in South
Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse bush or a
clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American style course and I
know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is
that the US team still doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew
what he was doing.
2) Where did some of these guys come from? I've never understood the point
system for picking competitors. I watch the tour events most weeks and
while I think I've seen Zach Johnson, Vaughn Taylor, and I remember seeing J
J Henry play at the PGA championship, I wouldn't have put any of these folks
in the top 50. Again, though, at least in the case of Johnson and Henry the
system worked, but I am curious how these guys wind up on the list. Maybe
it's just that so many of the familiar tour starts are actually neither
American nor European.
3) How long were the morning matches on Saturday in real time? With a
little over 6 hours of tape in the machine and tape delayed coverage I
thought I'd get a bit of the foursomes too, but somehow they made 4 matches
take all 6 hours to play. That
's not how the coverage ran on Friday. I suspect that NBC, like the other
big networks just cram extra junk in.
4) I still don't like Johnny Miller -- too much Jargon and too much stuff
that doesn't relate to the event at hand. Does anyone really care how many
wins each side has had on Par 5's over the last N years? that's different
players playing different courses, what possible relevance does it have? Oh
well, thank god for fast forward.
5) Friday's matches have to be about the best competition I've ever seen.
Too bad for anyone who missed it. 7 of 8 went to the final hole, everything
seesawed towards the conclusion. Long putts rammed on top of eachother for
halves. Chip ins and long ones pre-empting what looked like a sure win.
Match play at it's best. I really love to watch match play anyway. I don't
care which side wins when they play like that.
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Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 04:26:55
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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warren montgomery <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
: Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
:
: 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere in South
: Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse bush or a
: clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American style course and I
: know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is
: that the US team still doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew
: what he was doing.
The captains don't pick the courses, they just set them up.
The European PGA picked that course. Reason: (I don't have
the symbol for Euros at my disposal, but imagine several of
them all in a row.)
: 2) Where did some of these guys come from? I've never understood the point
: system for picking competitors. I watch the tour events most weeks and
: while I think I've seen Zach Johnson, Vaughn Taylor, and I remember seeing J
: J Henry play at the PGA championship, I wouldn't have put any of these folks
: in the top 50. Again, though, at least in the case of Johnson and Henry the
: system worked, but I am curious how these guys wind up on the list. Maybe
: it's just that so many of the familiar tour starts are actually neither
: American nor European.
Those guys all earned it with strong play. The PGA Tour is in
the middle of a generational shift right now and the Loves and
Coupleses are fading.
: 3) How long were the morning matches on Saturday in real time? With a
: little over 6 hours of tape in the machine and tape delayed coverage I
: thought I'd get a bit of the foursomes too, but somehow they made 4 matches
: take all 6 hours to play. That
: 's not how the coverage ran on Friday. I suspect that NBC, like the other
: big networks just cram extra junk in.
This, I wouldn't doubt.
: 4) I still don't like Johnny Miller -- too much Jargon and too much stuff
: that doesn't relate to the event at hand. Does anyone really care how many
: wins each side has had on Par 5's over the last N years? that's different
: players playing different courses, what possible relevance does it have? Oh
: well, thank god for fast forward.
I love Johnny Miller, but he ain't perfect. That's a reasonable
complaint.
: 5) Friday's matches have to be about the best competition I've ever seen.
: Too bad for anyone who missed it. 7 of 8 went to the final hole, everything
: seesawed towards the conclusion. Long putts rammed on top of eachother for
: halves. Chip ins and long ones pre-empting what looked like a sure win.
: Match play at it's best. I really love to watch match play anyway. I don't
: care which side wins when they play like that.
I'm right there with you on this. Except I want Darren Clarke to
win every match he's in, this year.
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Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 07:30:10
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> warren montgomery <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> : Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
> :
> : 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere in South
> : Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse bush or a
> : clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American style course and I
> : know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is
> : that the US team still doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew
> : what he was doing.
>
> The captains don't pick the courses, they just set them up.
> The European PGA picked that course. Reason: (I don't have
> the symbol for Euros at my disposal, but imagine several of
> them all in a row.)
An American fellow, name of Smurfitt owns the K Club. Name ring a bell???
Well, Mr Smurfitt, who is worth gazillions, is sponsoring the European
Masters* in a 10 year deal. His 'reward' was the Ryder Cup.
Bit of a back door deal, especially given all the wonderful courses in
Ireland, that this pile of crap was given the Ryder Cup.
David
*I'm sure it was the Euro Masters (formerly Volvo Masters) that Smufitt
signed the deal on, tho' it may be another tourney on the Euro circuit.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 13:32:25
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 07:30:10 -0400, David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net >
wrote:
>An American fellow, name of Smurfitt owns the K Club. Name ring a bell???
The only time I've heard the name is in regards to this Ryder Cup. But
I thought he was Irish.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 09:00:49
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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The 2008 Ryder Cup is at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville. The PGA of
America owns the club so be careful about throwing stones in your glass
house.
"David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:4nn8i2Fb7ugsU1@individual.net...
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> warren montgomery <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> : Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
>> : : 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere
>> in South : Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse
>> bush or a : clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American
>> style course and I : know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick
>> that one? What's odd is : that the US team still doesn't seem to know
>> how to play it. Maybe he knew : what he was doing.
>>
>> The captains don't pick the courses, they just set them up.
>> The European PGA picked that course. Reason: (I don't have
>> the symbol for Euros at my disposal, but imagine several of
>> them all in a row.)
>
> An American fellow, name of Smurfitt owns the K Club. Name ring a bell???
>
> Well, Mr Smurfitt, who is worth gazillions, is sponsoring the European
> Masters* in a 10 year deal. His 'reward' was the Ryder Cup.
>
> Bit of a back door deal, especially given all the wonderful courses in
> Ireland, that this pile of crap was given the Ryder Cup.
>
> David
>
> *I'm sure it was the Euro Masters (formerly Volvo Masters) that Smufitt
> signed the deal on, tho' it may be another tourney on the Euro circuit.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 09:08:20
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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sfb wrote:
> The 2008 Ryder Cup is at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville. The PGA of
> America owns the club so be careful about throwing stones in your glass
> house.
WTF you talking about stones and glass houses???
Everyone who knows anything about golf knows the PGA owns Valhalla, and
it was purchased to use as a site for the PGA Championship and Ryder Cups.
It's all about maximizing profit.
David
>
> "David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:4nn8i2Fb7ugsU1@individual.net...
>
>>Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>
>>>warren montgomery <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>: Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
>>>: : 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere
>>>in South : Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse
>>>bush or a : clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American
>>>style course and I : know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick
>>>that one? What's odd is : that the US team still doesn't seem to know
>>>how to play it. Maybe he knew : what he was doing.
>>>
>>>The captains don't pick the courses, they just set them up.
>>>The European PGA picked that course. Reason: (I don't have
>>>the symbol for Euros at my disposal, but imagine several of
>>>them all in a row.)
>>
>>An American fellow, name of Smurfitt owns the K Club. Name ring a bell???
>>
>>Well, Mr Smurfitt, who is worth gazillions, is sponsoring the European
>>Masters* in a 10 year deal. His 'reward' was the Ryder Cup.
>>
>>Bit of a back door deal, especially given all the wonderful courses in
>>Ireland, that this pile of crap was given the Ryder Cup.
>>
>>David
>>
>>*I'm sure it was the Euro Masters (formerly Volvo Masters) that Smufitt
>>signed the deal on, tho' it may be another tourney on the Euro circuit.
>
>
>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 07:26:49
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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"David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:4nnea0Fb37lpU2@individual.net...
> sfb wrote:
>> The 2008 Ryder Cup is at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville. The PGA of
>> America owns the club so be careful about throwing stones in your glass
>> house.
>
> WTF you talking about stones and glass houses???
>
> Everyone who knows anything about golf knows the PGA owns Valhalla, and it
> was purchased to use as a site for the PGA Championship and Ryder Cups.
>
> It's all about maximizing profit.
>
> David
Last I heard they first bought 25%, then after the PGA Championship, they
upped it to 51%.
It's a great course, but not a classic.
Can't be a classic because Jack designed it.
If they ripped out the greens on 8 & 18, it would immediately improve.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:54:23
From: Chris Bellomy
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glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote:
:
: "David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
: news:4nnea0Fb37lpU2@individual.net...
: > sfb wrote:
: >> The 2008 Ryder Cup is at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville. The PGA of
: >> America owns the club so be careful about throwing stones in your glass
: >> house.
: >
: > WTF you talking about stones and glass houses???
: >
: > Everyone who knows anything about golf knows the PGA owns Valhalla, and it
: > was purchased to use as a site for the PGA Championship and Ryder Cups.
: >
: > It's all about maximizing profit.
:
: Last I heard they first bought 25%, then after the PGA Championship, they
: upped it to 51%.
: It's a great course, but not a classic.
: Can't be a classic because Jack designed it.
Jack > Pete Dye, at least. Muirfield Village >>>>>>>>> TPC Sawgrass.
: If they ripped out the greens on 8 & 18, it would immediately improve.
As a 16 hole course? :-p
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Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 09:19:10
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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For 2008, the PGA of America has also followed the bucks when selecting an
uninspiring golf course for the Ryder Cup just like the Europeans did this
year to maximize their profits.
"David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:4nnea0Fb37lpU2@individual.net...
> sfb wrote:
>> The 2008 Ryder Cup is at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville. The PGA of
>> America owns the club so be careful about throwing stones in your glass
>> house.
>
> WTF you talking about stones and glass houses???
>
> Everyone who knows anything about golf knows the PGA owns Valhalla, and it
> was purchased to use as a site for the PGA Championship and Ryder Cups.
>
> It's all about maximizing profit.
>
> David
>
>
>>
>> "David Sneddon" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:4nn8i2Fb7ugsU1@individual.net...
>>
>>>Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>>
>>>>warren montgomery <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>>: Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
>>>>: : 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere
>>>>in South : Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a
>>>>gorse bush or a : clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an
>>>>American style course and I : know it's a Palmer design, but why did
>>>>Woosie pick that one? What's odd is : that the US team still doesn't
>>>>seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew : what he was doing.
>>>>
>>>>The captains don't pick the courses, they just set them up.
>>>>The European PGA picked that course. Reason: (I don't have
>>>>the symbol for Euros at my disposal, but imagine several of
>>>>them all in a row.)
>>>
>>>An American fellow, name of Smurfitt owns the K Club. Name ring a
>>>bell???
>>>
>>>Well, Mr Smurfitt, who is worth gazillions, is sponsoring the European
>>>Masters* in a 10 year deal. His 'reward' was the Ryder Cup.
>>>
>>>Bit of a back door deal, especially given all the wonderful courses in
>>>Ireland, that this pile of crap was given the Ryder Cup.
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>*I'm sure it was the Euro Masters (formerly Volvo Masters) that Smufitt
>>>signed the deal on, tho' it may be another tourney on the Euro circuit.
>>
>>
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 10:04:28
From: David Sneddon
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sfb wrote:
> For 2008, the PGA of America has also followed the bucks when selecting an
> uninspiring golf course for the Ryder Cup just like the Europeans did this
> year to maximize their profits.
That's been obvious for years, nothing new there.
Still doesn't explain your stones and glass houses comment, though.
David
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:52:37
From: Chris Bellomy
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David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net > wrote:
: sfb wrote:
: > The 2008 Ryder Cup is at Valhalla Golf Club in Louisville. The PGA of
: > America owns the club so be careful about throwing stones in your glass
: > house.
:
: WTF you talking about stones and glass houses???
:
: Everyone who knows anything about golf knows the PGA owns Valhalla, and
: it was purchased to use as a site for the PGA Championship and Ryder Cups.
:
: It's all about maximizing profit.
This is why I have sfb plonked. You make a simple point and he
turns it into "throwing stones." Rather than constantly correct
him, I decided to ignore him. (He's not nearly as fun as Eric.)
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 20:54:56
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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warren montgomery wrote:
> Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
>
> 1) Where did they get that course and why?
Smurfit has 1000x more cash than anyone else in Ireland maybe??
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 07:41:26
From:
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:22:10 -0500, "warren montgomery"
> <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere in South
> >Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse bush or a
> >clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American style course and I
> >know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is
> >that the US team still doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew
> >what he was doing.
>
> Did Woosie pick it personally? The owner of that course spent lots
> of money to get it picked, and money talks.
Bingo, Howard that is what is wrong with golf. It's not about the
tradition of competition, Its about who is willing to pony up the big
bucks. It is also why NBC bought the coverage at the expense of all
watching for the love of the game.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 13:30:39
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:22:10 -0500, "warren montgomery"
<wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere in South
>Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse bush or a
>clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American style course and I
>know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is
>that the US team still doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew
>what he was doing.
Did Woosie pick it personally? The owner of that course spent lots
of money to get it picked, and money talks.
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 06:17:28
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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> Those guys all earned it with strong play. The PGA Tour is in
> the middle of a generational shift right now and the Loves and
> Coupleses are fading.
Why is our generation shifting when theirs (Monty and Clark) just keep
ticking on like Timexes? :)
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 06:16:18
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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> Those guys all earned it with strong play. The PGA Tour is in
> the middle of a generational shift right now and the Loves and
> Coupleses are fading.
Why is our generation shifting when theirs (Monty and Clark) just keep
ticking on like Timexes? :)
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 17:55:33
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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dsc <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
:
: > Those guys all earned it with strong play. The PGA Tour is in
: > the middle of a generational shift right now and the Loves and
: > Coupleses are fading.
:
: Why is our generation shifting when theirs (Monty and Clark) just keep
: ticking on like Timexes? :)
Darren Clarke is only 38, and Monty *is* fading.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 18:20:43
From: Chris Weston
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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After serious thinking Chris Bellomy wrote :
> dsc <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Those guys all earned it with strong play. The PGA Tour is in
>>> the middle of a generational shift right now and the Loves and
>>> Coupleses are fading.
>>
>> Why is our generation shifting when theirs (Monty and Clark) just keep
>> ticking on like Timexes? :)
>
> Darren Clarke is only 38, and Monty *is* fading.
Fading? He won the 2005 European Tour Order of Merit. At the start of
2005 he was ranked #83 in the World Rankings, at the end, 15th. Hardly
'fading'. He finished 2nd in the 134th Open. He tied 2nd in the 2006
US Open. If Monty is 'fading' then heaven help the rest.
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Chris Weston
In England, holding the Ashes
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 20:00:15
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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"Chris Weston" <chris.weston@ntlworld.com > wrote in message
news:mn.c4907d69c6917633.60301@ntlworld.com...
> After serious thinking Chris Bellomy wrote :
>> dsc <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those guys all earned it with strong play. The PGA Tour is in
>>>> the middle of a generational shift right now and the Loves and
>>>> Coupleses are fading.
>>>
>>> Why is our generation shifting when theirs (Monty and Clark) just keep
>>> ticking on like Timexes? :)
>>
>> Darren Clarke is only 38, and Monty *is* fading.
>
> Fading? He won the 2005 European Tour Order of Merit. At the start of
> 2005 he was ranked #83 in the World Rankings, at the end, 15th. Hardly
> 'fading'. He finished 2nd in the 134th Open. He tied 2nd in the 2006 US
> Open. If Monty is 'fading' then heaven help the rest.
If he had stuck with his original club selection at Winged Foot, he would
have won the damned thing!
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 14:09:48
From: greenkeeper
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In message <vJlPEXVAznFFFwSW@alancampbell.demon.co.uk >, greenkeeper
<greenkeeper@xxxalancampbell.demon.co.uk > writes
>In message <4nn8i2Fb7ugsU1@individual.net>, David Sneddon
><nospam@nospam.net> writes
>>Chris Bellomy wrote:
>>> warren montgomery <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>> : Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
>>> : 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like
>>> :anywhere in South Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds,
>>> :and not a gorse bush or a clump of fescue in sight. I had heard
>>> :it was an American style course and I know it's a Palmer design,
>>> :but why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is that the US team
>>> :still doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew what he was doing.
>>> The captains don't pick the courses, they just set them up.
>>> The European PGA picked that course. Reason: (I don't have
>>> the symbol for Euros at my disposal, but imagine several of
>>> them all in a row.)
>>
>>An American fellow, name of Smurfitt owns the K Club. Name ring a bell???
>>
>>Well, Mr Smurfitt, who is worth gazillions, is sponsoring the European
>>Masters* in a 10 year deal. His 'reward' was the Ryder Cup.
>>
>>Bit of a back door deal, especially given all the wonderful courses in
>>Ireland, that this pile of crap was given the Ryder Cup.
>>
>>David
>>
>>*I'm sure it was the Euro Masters (formerly Volvo Masters) that
>>Smufitt signed the deal on, tho' it may be another tourney on the Euro
>>circuit.
>
>Born in England, dual Irish British nationality. Jefferson Smurfit corp
>is Irish based. That was his fathers company.
>
>http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/67210112/medium
Sorry meant to add it is the European Open.
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alan
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 13:40:32
From: greenkeeper
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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In message <4nn8i2Fb7ugsU1@individual.net >, David Sneddon
<nospam@nospam.net > writes
>Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> warren montgomery <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> : Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
>> : 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like
>> :anywhere in South Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds,
>> :and not a gorse bush or a clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it
>> :was an American style course and I know it's a Palmer design, but
>> :why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is that the US team still
>> :doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew what he was doing.
>> The captains don't pick the courses, they just set them up.
>> The European PGA picked that course. Reason: (I don't have
>> the symbol for Euros at my disposal, but imagine several of
>> them all in a row.)
>
>An American fellow, name of Smurfitt owns the K Club. Name ring a bell???
>
>Well, Mr Smurfitt, who is worth gazillions, is sponsoring the European
>Masters* in a 10 year deal. His 'reward' was the Ryder Cup.
>
>Bit of a back door deal, especially given all the wonderful courses in
>Ireland, that this pile of crap was given the Ryder Cup.
>
>David
>
>*I'm sure it was the Euro Masters (formerly Volvo Masters) that Smufitt
>signed the deal on, tho' it may be another tourney on the Euro circuit.
Born in England, dual Irish British nationality. Jefferson Smurfit corp
is Irish based. That was his fathers company.
http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/67210112/medium
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alan
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 09:06:03
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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greenkeeper wrote:
> Born in England, dual Irish British nationality. Jefferson Smurfit corp
> is Irish based. That was his fathers company.
>
Thanks, Alan - I stand corrected. Thought the guy was an American, I
see his trucks on the road all the time over here.
David
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 20:54:55
From: warren montgomery
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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>
>> Born in England, dual Irish British nationality. Jefferson Smurfit corp
>> is Irish based. That was his fathers company.
>>
>
> Thanks, Alan - I stand corrected. Thought the guy was an American, I see
> his trucks on the road all the time over here.
>
Must be something local -- I was always curious about that "Smurfit"
tournament. Smurfit to me only suggest little blue gnomes.
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Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 22:11:54
From: David Sneddon
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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warren montgomery wrote:
>>>Born in England, dual Irish British nationality. Jefferson Smurfit corp
>>>is Irish based. That was his fathers company.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks, Alan - I stand corrected. Thought the guy was an American, I see
>>his trucks on the road all the time over here.
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>
> Must be something local -- I was always curious about that "Smurfit"
> tournament. Smurfit to me only suggest little blue gnomes.
SmurfitMBI - they have a corrugated paper packaging plant in Milton, ON.
Supply packaging to all kinds of industries. I haven't googled
Smurfit any further, so no idea of everything they might be into.
David
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 06:47:06
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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In article <4nos76Fbeu22U1@individual.net >,
David Sneddon <nospam@nospam.net > wrote:
> warren montgomery wrote:
> >>>Born in England, dual Irish British nationality. Jefferson Smurfit corp
> >>>is Irish based. That was his fathers company.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Thanks, Alan - I stand corrected. Thought the guy was an American, I see
> >>his trucks on the road all the time over here.
> >>
> >
> > Must be something local -- I was always curious about that "Smurfit"
> > tournament. Smurfit to me only suggest little blue gnomes.
>
> SmurfitMBI - they have a corrugated paper packaging plant in Milton, ON.
> Supply packaging to all kinds of industries. I haven't googled
> Smurfit any further, so no idea of everything they might be into.
>
> David
Smurfit is a huge conglomerate into paper, packaging, publishing, you
name it. Alan Smurfit is one of the bigger pieces of the Celtic Tiger
economy.
William Clark
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 05:19:08
From:
Subject: Re: Other Ryder Cup Stuff
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warren montgomery wrote:
> Okay, here are some musings on the cup matches.
>
> 1) Where did they get that course and why? It looks like anywhere in South
> Carolina -- water everywhere, rock line ponds, and not a gorse bush or a
> clump of fescue in sight. I had heard it was an American style course and I
> know it's a Palmer design, but why did Woosie pick that one? What's odd is
> that the US team still doesn't seem to know how to play it. Maybe he knew
> what he was doing.
>
> 2) Where did some of these guys come from? I've never understood the point
> system for picking competitors. I watch the tour events most weeks and
> while I think I've seen Zach Johnson, Vaughn Taylor, and I remember seeing J
> J Henry play at the PGA championship, I wouldn't have put any of these folks
> in the top 50. Again, though, at least in the case of Johnson and Henry the
> system worked, but I am curious how these guys wind up on the list. Maybe
> it's just that so many of the familiar tour starts are actually neither
> American nor European.
>
> 3) How long were the morning matches on Saturday in real time? With a
> little over 6 hours of tape in the machine and tape delayed coverage I
> thought I'd get a bit of the foursomes too, but somehow they made 4 matches
> take all 6 hours to play. That
> 's not how the coverage ran on Friday. I suspect that NBC, like the other
> big networks just cram extra junk in.
>
> 4) I still don't like Johnny Miller -- too much Jargon and too much stuff
> that doesn't relate to the event at hand. Does anyone really care how many
> wins each side has had on Par 5's over the last N years? that's different
> players playing different courses, what possible relevance does it have? Oh
> well, thank god for fast forward.
>
> 5) Friday's matches have to be about the best competition I've ever seen.
> Too bad for anyone who missed it. 7 of 8 went to the final hole, everything
> seesawed towards the conclusion. Long putts rammed on top of eachother for
> halves. Chip ins and long ones pre-empting what looked like a sure win.
> Match play at it's best. I really love to watch match play anyway. I don't
> care which side wins when they play like that.
>
> --
> Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net)
> http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
1. I cant believe in the commercials they show the seaside links
courses how or why they picked this course is stupid. nothing like the
land it is in.0 history.
2.NBC is tanking. Johnny Miller is like a bug annoying and
unintelligent. Shut up!
3.nbc's graphics are un golf like.it looks like a bowl of bad food.Is
it only me I woke up this am wanting to know who was playing in each
match...all matches should be listed vertically 1-11 up or down
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