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Date: 03 Oct 2006 21:58:47
From: David
Subject: OT: The presidential plane

This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
all over the country attending party fundraisers?

That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.

David

Date: 04 Oct 2006 01:27:49
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <o1g5i2dmc0e2nfehkdl50rpgep18ds7tr6@4ax.com >
David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:

This is all duh-bya has done for 6 years. Fly around, play prince while
the "braintrust" does his bidding. He is a poster boy president that can
only smirk and wave, and really isn't even too good at that.

Date: 03 Oct 2006 15:27:51
From: Bucky
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

I usually don't reply to OT topics, but this one allowed me to share an
Onion article. =)

Flustered Bush Misses Air Force One Flight
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53594

Some excerpts:

"The 12-person crew was not able to accommodate the president due to
strict federal guidelines requiring all passengers to arrive at their
departure gate 15 minutes prior to takeoff."

"When Bush inquired into the possibility of being placed on standby for
Air Force Two, the exasperated commander in chief was informed that the
flight was full and Vice President Dick Cheney was unwilling to give up
his seat."

"They just lost their best customer. I remember when Air Force One used
to care about customer service. Now it's all about their bottom line."

Date: 03 Oct 2006 23:35:06
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

Too bad this is fiction. It could happen. He might still have a mannequin
from his days in the National Guard.

"Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com > wrote in message
news:1159914471.817889.37940@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I usually don't reply to OT topics, but this one allowed me to share an
> Onion article. =)
>
> Flustered Bush Misses Air Force One Flight
> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53594
>
> Some excerpts:
>
> "The 12-person crew was not able to accommodate the president due to
> strict federal guidelines requiring all passengers to arrive at their
> departure gate 15 minutes prior to takeoff."
>
> "When Bush inquired into the possibility of being placed on standby for
> Air Force Two, the exasperated commander in chief was informed that the
> flight was full and Vice President Dick Cheney was unwilling to give up
> his seat."
>
> "They just lost their best customer. I remember when Air Force One used
> to care about customer service. Now it's all about their bottom line."
>

Date: 03 Oct 2006 14:15:58
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

A little OTT, and a little outside in...not that I am an expert, just a
guess!

Date: 03 Oct 2006 16:44:36
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:

>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>
> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>
>David

What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?

Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
them.

Date: 03 Oct 2006 20:45:16
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <1oi5i2hqmbsphaj9pn2jitui4e4765uo9k@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> >This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> >should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> >all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >
> > That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> >going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> >spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> >
> >David
>
> What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
>
> Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
> them.

To do his job, absolutely. To raise money to buy these smear ads for GoP
candidates - absolutely not! Those are my taxes, and his time that I am
paying for.

Do the job he was elected for, and mind the shop!

William Clark

Date: 03 Oct 2006 21:14:04
From: long&left
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <1oi5i2hqmbsphaj9pn2jitui4e4765uo9k@4ax.com>,
> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>>> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>>> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>>>
>>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>>>
>>> David
>> What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
>>
>> Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
>> them.
>
> To do his job, absolutely. To raise money to buy these smear ads for GoP
> candidates - absolutely not! Those are my taxes, and his time that I am
> paying for.
>
> Do the job he was elected for, and mind the shop!
>
> William Clark

Dear William T...if you want to worry about wasted taxes there are about
a million other battles to wage. The Presidential AF1 flights regardless
of where they go or what they are for are such a minuscule drop in the
bucket that it's hardly worth wasting typing time on.
Dave

Date: 04 Oct 2006 06:56:33
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <hyGUg.957$J01.206@newsfe04.lga >,
long&left <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <1oi5i2hqmbsphaj9pn2jitui4e4765uo9k@4ax.com>,
> > Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> >>> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> >>> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >>>
> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> >>> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> >>> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >> What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
> >>
> >> Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
> >> them.
> >
> > To do his job, absolutely. To raise money to buy these smear ads for GoP
> > candidates - absolutely not! Those are my taxes, and his time that I am
> > paying for.
> >
> > Do the job he was elected for, and mind the shop!
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Dear William T...if you want to worry about wasted taxes there are about
> a million other battles to wage. The Presidential AF1 flights regardless
> of where they go or what they are for are such a minuscule drop in the
> bucket that it's hardly worth wasting typing time on.
> Dave

No, but there is a point of principle here. AF! is provided (quite
rightly) to the President to help him do his job. It should be off
limits for any party political purposes. When Dubya came to Columbus
recently to attend a $5,000 a plate GoP fundraiser, the entire freeway
system on the North side of the city shut was shut down for an hour in
the middle of Friday evening rush hour. I dare say that cost him more
votes that the money he raised, but it is still an offensive abuse of
power and his office, and I don't care which party he might be schilling
for.

William Clark

Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:19:41
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-D44586.06563304102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>
> No, but there is a point of principle here. AF! is provided (quite
> rightly) to the President to help him do his job. It should be off
> limits for any party political purposes. When Dubya came to Columbus
> recently to attend a $5,000 a plate GoP fundraiser, the entire freeway
> system on the North side of the city shut was shut down for an hour in
> the middle of Friday evening rush hour. I dare say that cost him more
> votes that the money he raised, but it is still an offensive abuse of
> power and his office, and I don't care which party he might be schilling
> for.
>
> William Clark

Yes, Clinton did the exact thing here in MN to the traffic when he was here
attending a $5,000 a plate DNC fundraiser. Was cool watching the swat guys
on the rooftops though.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 13:59:39
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <4oi1oeFem4t4U1@individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:

> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-D44586.06563304102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > No, but there is a point of principle here. AF! is provided (quite
> > rightly) to the President to help him do his job. It should be off
> > limits for any party political purposes. When Dubya came to Columbus
> > recently to attend a $5,000 a plate GoP fundraiser, the entire freeway
> > system on the North side of the city shut was shut down for an hour in
> > the middle of Friday evening rush hour. I dare say that cost him more
> > votes that the money he raised, but it is still an offensive abuse of
> > power and his office, and I don't care which party he might be schilling
> > for.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Yes, Clinton did the exact thing here in MN to the traffic when he was here
> attending a $5,000 a plate DNC fundraiser. Was cool watching the swat guys
> on the rooftops though.

I said, regardless of party. However, Dubya does seem to take it to new
heights, though. Maybe it's just that he makes so little impact in his
day job!

William Clark

Date: 04 Oct 2006 14:46:56
From: larry
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

On Wed, 04 2006 13:59:39 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:

>In article <4oi1oeFem4t4U1@individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:clark.31-D44586.06563304102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> >
>> > No, but there is a point of principle here. AF! is provided (quite
>> > rightly) to the President to help him do his job. It should be off
>> > limits for any party political purposes. When Dubya came to Columbus
>> > recently to attend a $5,000 a plate GoP fundraiser, the entire freeway
>> > system on the North side of the city shut was shut down for an hour in
>> > the middle of Friday evening rush hour. I dare say that cost him more
>> > votes that the money he raised, but it is still an offensive abuse of
>> > power and his office, and I don't care which party he might be schilling
>> > for.
>> >
>> > William Clark
>>
>> Yes, Clinton did the exact thing here in MN to the traffic when he was here
>> attending a $5,000 a plate DNC fundraiser. Was cool watching the swat guys
>> on the rooftops though.
>
>I said, regardless of party. However, Dubya does seem to take it to new
>heights, though. Maybe it's just that he makes so little impact in his
>day job!
>
>William Clark

New heights????? I doubt the lows of the Clinton administration will
ever be reached again!

Clinton had dozens or even hundreds of fund raiser parties in the
White House-- and many attending and bringing checks to the DNC were
foreign nationals, China, Indonesia, India, etc.-- whose participation
in the US election system is totally illegal. The ONLY reason that
wasn't shut down and prosecuted for the FLAGRANT felony it was --was
Janet Reno refusing to investigate or prosecute. Clinton's fund
raising from foreign countries, some of them communist, was
outrageous--and when confronted with the illegality of it and the
certain prosecution should Dole win-- said, 'then we will just have to
win!!" He knew they would all go to jail if the next administration
were republican, especially the Attorney General.

Clinton traded US secrets and valuable assets such as the right to
operate the US Port of Long Beach, for campaign funds. He got money
for allowing China to take our secret methods for milling submarine
propellers (against the strong advice of the entire Pentagon!). When
what Clinton traded to get reelected comes out we will realize we had
a traitor as President.

Larry

Date: 05 Oct 2006 20:34:55
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <3da8i2dgiq0mkv9unnj50jq2b39rhj9kpp@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:

> On Wed, 04 2006 13:59:39 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
>
> >In article <4oi1oeFem4t4U1@individual.net>,
> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:clark.31-D44586.06563304102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> >
> >> > No, but there is a point of principle here. AF! is provided (quite
> >> > rightly) to the President to help him do his job. It should be off
> >> > limits for any party political purposes. When Dubya came to Columbus
> >> > recently to attend a $5,000 a plate GoP fundraiser, the entire freeway
> >> > system on the North side of the city shut was shut down for an hour in
> >> > the middle of Friday evening rush hour. I dare say that cost him more
> >> > votes that the money he raised, but it is still an offensive abuse of
> >> > power and his office, and I don't care which party he might be schilling
> >> > for.
> >> >
> >> > William Clark
> >>
> >> Yes, Clinton did the exact thing here in MN to the traffic when he was
> >> here
> >> attending a $5,000 a plate DNC fundraiser. Was cool watching the swat guys
> >> on the rooftops though.
> >
> >I said, regardless of party. However, Dubya does seem to take it to new
> >heights, though. Maybe it's just that he makes so little impact in his
> >day job!
> >
> >William Clark
>
> New heights????? I doubt the lows of the Clinton administration will
> ever be reached again!
>
> Clinton had dozens or even hundreds of fund raiser parties in the
> White House-- and many attending and bringing checks to the DNC were
> foreign nationals, China, Indonesia, India, etc.-- whose participation
> in the US election system is totally illegal. The ONLY reason that
> wasn't shut down and prosecuted for the FLAGRANT felony it was --was
> Janet Reno refusing to investigate or prosecute. Clinton's fund
> raising from foreign countries, some of them communist, was
> outrageous--and when confronted with the illegality of it and the
> certain prosecution should Dole win-- said, 'then we will just have to
> win!!" He knew they would all go to jail if the next administration
> were republican, especially the Attorney General.
>
> Clinton traded US secrets and valuable assets such as the right to
> operate the US Port of Long Beach, for campaign funds. He got money
> for allowing China to take our secret methods for milling submarine
> propellers (against the strong advice of the entire Pentagon!). When
> what Clinton traded to get reelected comes out we will realize we had
> a traitor as President.
>
> Larry

Larry, you need help, you really do.

William Clark

Date: 04 Oct 2006 14:15:35
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-FEFCBA.13593904102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <4oi1oeFem4t4U1@individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:clark.31-D44586.06563304102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> >
>> > No, but there is a point of principle here. AF! is provided (quite
>> > rightly) to the President to help him do his job. It should be off
>> > limits for any party political purposes. When Dubya came to Columbus
>> > recently to attend a $5,000 a plate GoP fundraiser, the entire freeway
>> > system on the North side of the city shut was shut down for an hour in
>> > the middle of Friday evening rush hour. I dare say that cost him more
>> > votes that the money he raised, but it is still an offensive abuse of
>> > power and his office, and I don't care which party he might be
>> > schilling
>> > for.
>> >
>> > William Clark
>>
>> Yes, Clinton did the exact thing here in MN to the traffic when he was
>> here
>> attending a $5,000 a plate DNC fundraiser. Was cool watching the swat
>> guys
>> on the rooftops though.
>
> I said, regardless of party. However, Dubya does seem to take it to new
> heights, though. Maybe it's just that he makes so little impact in his
> day job!
>
Regardless of party, you?

Date: 04 Oct 2006 21:33:52
From: Dave Baker
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-D44586.06563304102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <hyGUg.957$J01.206@newsfe04.lga>,
> long&left <nospam@diespammers.com> wrote:
>
> > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > In article <1oi5i2hqmbsphaj9pn2jitui4e4765uo9k@4ax.com>,
> > > Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> > >>> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> > >>> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> > >>>
> > >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> > >>> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> > >>> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> > >>>
> > >>> David
> > >> What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
> > >>
> > >> Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
> > >> them.
> > >
> > > To do his job, absolutely. To raise money to buy these smear ads for
GoP
> > > candidates - absolutely not! Those are my taxes, and his time that I
am
> > > paying for.
> > >
> > > Do the job he was elected for, and mind the shop!
> > >
> > > William Clark
> >
> > Dear William T...if you want to worry about wasted taxes there are about
> > a million other battles to wage. The Presidential AF1 flights regardless
> > of where they go or what they are for are such a minuscule drop in the
> > bucket that it's hardly worth wasting typing time on.
> > Dave
>
> No, but there is a point of principle here. AF! is provided (quite
> rightly) to the President to help him do his job. It should be off
> limits for any party political purposes. When Dubya came to Columbus
> recently to attend a $5,000 a plate GoP fundraiser, the entire freeway
> system on the North side of the city shut was shut down for an hour in
> the middle of Friday evening rush hour. I dare say that cost him more
> votes that the money he raised, but it is still an offensive abuse of
> power and his office, and I don't care which party he might be schilling
> for.

Looking in from outside what is really offensive about this is how much
money is spent installing these dimwits into power in the first place. I
believe the cost of the 2004 elections as reported at the time was between 2
and 3 billion dollars, much of it spent on totally obnoxious tv adverts like
the anti-Kerry Swift Boat campaign which was pure lies made up by people who
had never even served with him. Someone will now pipe up that this was paid
for privately and not by the GOP. Yeah right. We have that sort of thing in
the UK all the time. Private people paying for TV ads to say how nasty some
particular politician is.

The entire process is so utterly corrupt and devoid of honesty. Spin dors
dictate how the candidates dress, speak, smell, walk, do their hair to
appeal to the particular electorate being wooed at the time. TV, newspaper
and radio adverts costing millions upon millions propound the virtues of
candidate A and the devil worshipping tendencies of B who must never get
into power. The same gravel voiced specialists who do the film adverts do
the voice overs for political ads. You never actually get to see what the
candidates are really like because of the superficial gloss plastered
thickly over them. Well, not unless they go really insane and call out "Hey
you, Macaca, or whatever your name is" to someone in the crowd. (See, I
really do follow your politics from over here)

And what are the people getting to choose between here at such expense? It's
basically do you want to elect fucking idiot A or fucking idiot B either of
whom will then spend the next 4 years screwing their own country and
invading everyone else's. The original intention of the founding fathers
that this process whittle down the candidates to men of outstanding virtue
and talent is so dead and buried it's almost funny. I'm not saying it's that
much better in the UK but it's certainly less blatant, less expensive and
thankfully very much less partisan.
--
Dave Baker
www.pumaracing.co.uk
"Why," said Ford squatting down beside him and shivering, "are you lying
face down in the dust?"
"It's a very effective way of being wretched," said Marvin.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:42:24
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:42:54
From: John Reddy
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <1oi5i2hqmbsphaj9pn2jitui4e4765uo9k@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?

Those of us old enough to be on the back nine of life may remember that
Richard Nixon once flew commercial from DC to California as some sort of
ridiculous political gesture.

It caused complete havoc at both airports. His entourage took up half
the seats and it cost a fortune in additional security and Air Force One
still had to fly to CA to bring him back.

Aside from Air Force One, there are always additional cargo planes to
carry armored limos, security vehicles, even helicopters. When the
President goes airborne, it's a pretty complicated and expensive affair.

I thought I remembered reading a while back that when a sitting
president campaigns for re-election his political party's National
Committee reimburses the government the cost of a commercial flight. I
don't know if that applies to campaigning for others or not.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 20:10:57
From: JJK
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"John Reddy" wrote:
> Those of us old enough to be on the back nine of life may remember that
> Richard Nixon once flew commercial from DC to California as some sort of
> ridiculous political gesture.
>
> It caused complete havoc at both airports. His entourage took up half
> the seats and it cost a fortune in additional security and Air Force One
> still had to fly to CA to bring him back.
>
> Aside from Air Force One, there are always additional cargo planes to
> carry armored limos, security vehicles, even helicopters. When the
> President goes airborne, it's a pretty complicated and expensive affair.
>
> I thought I remembered reading a while back that when a sitting
> president campaigns for re-election his political party's National
> Committee reimburses the government the cost of a commercial flight. I
> don't know if that applies to campaigning for others or not.

The president can still fly AF1, but his war chest can foot most of the bill
when the travel is not related to his job.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 17:44:27
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

Considering the Dick Cheney would become president and that Dennis Hastert
(sp?) is third in line, maybe Bush should have two planes to keep him safe.

"JJK" <surpher@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:lzUUg.23473$Oh3.6003@trnddc04...
> "John Reddy" wrote:
>> Those of us old enough to be on the back nine of life may remember that
>> Richard Nixon once flew commercial from DC to California as some sort of
>> ridiculous political gesture.
>>
>> It caused complete havoc at both airports. His entourage took up half
>> the seats and it cost a fortune in additional security and Air Force One
>> still had to fly to CA to bring him back.
>>
>> Aside from Air Force One, there are always additional cargo planes to
>> carry armored limos, security vehicles, even helicopters. When the
>> President goes airborne, it's a pretty complicated and expensive affair.
>>
>> I thought I remembered reading a while back that when a sitting
>> president campaigns for re-election his political party's National
>> Committee reimburses the government the cost of a commercial flight. I
>> don't know if that applies to campaigning for others or not.
>
>
> The president can still fly AF1, but his war chest can foot most of the
> bill
> when the travel is not related to his job.
>
>

Date: 04 Oct 2006 15:32:20
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <lzUUg.23473$Oh3.6003@trnddc04 >, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "John Reddy" wrote:
> > Those of us old enough to be on the back nine of life may remember that
> > Richard Nixon once flew commercial from DC to California as some sort of
> > ridiculous political gesture.
> >
> > It caused complete havoc at both airports. His entourage took up half
> > the seats and it cost a fortune in additional security and Air Force One
> > still had to fly to CA to bring him back.
> >
> > Aside from Air Force One, there are always additional cargo planes to
> > carry armored limos, security vehicles, even helicopters. When the
> > President goes airborne, it's a pretty complicated and expensive affair.
> >
> > I thought I remembered reading a while back that when a sitting
> > president campaigns for re-election his political party's National
> > Committee reimburses the government the cost of a commercial flight. I
> > don't know if that applies to campaigning for others or not.
>
>
> The president can still fly AF1, but his war chest can foot most of the bill
> when the travel is not related to his job.

While technically true, the President usually schedules some 'official'
reason to make the trip so they don't have to.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:24:04
From: David
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com >
wrote:

>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>>
>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>>
>>David
>
>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?

Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.

>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
>them.

Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the republican
party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the bill,
not the taxpayers.

The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add this
up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he has
cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.

That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
better spent on other things.

David

Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:22:51
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>>>
>>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
>
> Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
>
>>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
>>them.
>
> Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the republican
> party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the bill,
> not the taxpayers.
>
> The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add this
> up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he has
> cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
>
> That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
> better spent on other things.
>
> David

It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for fundraising
trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG WITH
ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?

Date: 04 Oct 2006 14:01:19
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <4oi1ucFeq660U1@individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:

> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> >>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> >>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >>>
> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> >>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> >>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> >>>
> >>>David
> >>
> >>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
> >
> > Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
> >
> >>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
> >>them.
> >
> > Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the republican
> > party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the bill,
> > not the taxpayers.
> >
> > The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add this
> > up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he has
> > cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
> >
> > That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
> > better spent on other things.
> >
> > David
>
> It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for fundraising
> trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG WITH
> ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?

There you go - five seconds into any discussion of the Dubya
"Presidency", and the "Clinton did . . " mantra comes trotting out.

At least it is clear that Clinton obviously had a far greater impact a
President than Dubya.

William Clark

Date: 04 Oct 2006 14:16:19
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-F7AC0C.14011904102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <4oi1ucFeq660U1@individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>> news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
>> > On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>> >>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>> >>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>> >>>
>> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>> >>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>> >>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>> >>>
>> >>>David
>> >>
>> >>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
>> >
>> > Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
>> >
>> >>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
>> >>them.
>> >
>> > Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the republican
>> > party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the bill,
>> > not the taxpayers.
>> >
>> > The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add this
>> > up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he has
>> > cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
>> >
>> > That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
>> > better spent on other things.
>> >
>> > David
>>
>> It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for fundraising
>> trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG WITH
>> ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?
>
> There you go - five seconds into any discussion of the Dubya
> "Presidency", and the "Clinton did . . " mantra comes trotting out.
>
> At least it is clear that Clinton obviously had a far greater impact a
> President than Dubya.
>
Do you ever pay attention?

Date: 05 Oct 2006 06:55:15
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <4oifk3Feg0mlU1@individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:

> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-F7AC0C.14011904102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <4oi1ucFeq660U1@individual.net>,
> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> >> news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> >> >>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> >> >>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> >> >>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> >> >>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>David
> >> >>
> >> >>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
> >> >
> >> > Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
> >> >
> >> >>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
> >> >>them.
> >> >
> >> > Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the republican
> >> > party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the bill,
> >> > not the taxpayers.
> >> >
> >> > The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add this
> >> > up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he has
> >> > cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
> >> >
> >> > That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
> >> > better spent on other things.
> >> >
> >> > David
> >>
> >> It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for fundraising
> >> trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG WITH
> >> ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?
> >
> > There you go - five seconds into any discussion of the Dubya
> > "Presidency", and the "Clinton did . . " mantra comes trotting out.
> >
> > At least it is clear that Clinton obviously had a far greater impact a
> > President than Dubya.
> >
> Do you ever pay attention?

To intelligent comment, yes.

William Clark

Date: 05 Oct 2006 10:55:56
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-57FB96.06551505102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <4oifk3Feg0mlU1@individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:clark.31-F7AC0C.14011904102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> > In article <4oi1ucFeq660U1@individual.net>,
>> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>> >> news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de>
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>> >> >>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to
>> >> >>>fly
>> >> >>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so
>> >> >>> much
>> >> >>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>> >> >>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>David
>> >> >>
>> >> >>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
>> >> >
>> >> >>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
>> >> >>them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the
>> >> > republican
>> >> > party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the bill,
>> >> > not the taxpayers.
>> >> >
>> >> > The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add
>> >> > this
>> >> > up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he
>> >> > has
>> >> > cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
>> >> >
>> >> > That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
>> >> > better spent on other things.
>> >> >
>> >> > David
>> >>
>> >> It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for fundraising
>> >> trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG
>> >> WITH
>> >> ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?
>> >
>> > There you go - five seconds into any discussion of the Dubya
>> > "Presidency", and the "Clinton did . . " mantra comes trotting out.
>> >
>> > At least it is clear that Clinton obviously had a far greater impact a
>> > President than Dubya.
>> >
>> Do you ever pay attention?
>
> To intelligent comment, yes.
>
You might try making some then.

Date: 05 Oct 2006 12:09:47
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <4oko8dFels76U1@individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:

> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-57FB96.06551505102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <4oifk3Feg0mlU1@individual.net>,
> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:clark.31-F7AC0C.14011904102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> > In article <4oi1ucFeq660U1@individual.net>,
> >> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> >> >> news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de>
> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> >> >> >>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to
> >> >> >>>fly
> >> >> >>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so
> >> >> >>> much
> >> >> >>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> >> >> >>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>David
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one of
> >> >> >>them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the
> >> >> > republican
> >> >> > party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the bill,
> >> >> > not the taxpayers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he
> >> >> > has
> >> >> > cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
> >> >> > better spent on other things.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > David
> >> >>
> >> >> It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for fundraising
> >> >> trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG
> >> >> WITH
> >> >> ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?
> >> >
> >> > There you go - five seconds into any discussion of the Dubya
> >> > "Presidency", and the "Clinton did . . " mantra comes trotting out.
> >> >
> >> > At least it is clear that Clinton obviously had a far greater impact a
> >> > President than Dubya.
> >> >
> >> Do you ever pay attention?
> >
> > To intelligent comment, yes.
> >
> You might try making some then.

Aaaah, that great neocon wit!

William Clark

Date: 05 Oct 2006 13:25:18
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-140045.12094705102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <4oko8dFels76U1@individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:clark.31-57FB96.06551505102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> > In article <4oifk3Feg0mlU1@individual.net>,
>> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
>> >> news:clark.31-F7AC0C.14011904102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> >> > In article <4oi1ucFeq660U1@individual.net>,
>> >> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis
>> >> >> > <xsleeper@aol.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de>
>> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>> >> >> >>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to
>> >> >> >>>fly
>> >> >> >>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so
>> >> >> >>> much
>> >> >> >>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers
>> >> >> >>>while
>> >> >> >>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply
>> >> >> >>>attrocious.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>David
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one
>> >> >> >>of
>> >> >> >>them.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the
>> >> >> > republican
>> >> >> > party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the
>> >> >> > bill,
>> >> >> > not the taxpayers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he
>> >> >> > has
>> >> >> > cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
>> >> >> > better spent on other things.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > David
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for
>> >> >> fundraising
>> >> >> trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG
>> >> >> WITH
>> >> >> ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?
>> >> >
>> >> > There you go - five seconds into any discussion of the Dubya
>> >> > "Presidency", and the "Clinton did . . " mantra comes trotting out.
>> >> >
>> >> > At least it is clear that Clinton obviously had a far greater impact
>> >> > a
>> >> > President than Dubya.
>> >> >
>> >> Do you ever pay attention?
>> >
>> > To intelligent comment, yes.
>> >
>> You might try making some then.
>
> Aaaah, that great neocon wit!
>
> William Clark

Aaah, the typical Billy A.T. Clark response. Nothing.

Date: 05 Oct 2006 17:32:18
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

In article <4ol10fFf7s55U1@individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:

> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-140045.12094705102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <4oko8dFels76U1@individual.net>,
> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:clark.31-57FB96.06551505102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> > In article <4oifk3Feg0mlU1@individual.net>,
> >> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
> >> >> news:clark.31-F7AC0C.14011904102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >> >> > In article <4oi1ucFeq660U1@individual.net>,
> >> >> > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:iou6i2h4ic9oj9dsu54a5o3qlreebnl1su@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> > On Tue, 03 2006 16:44:36 -0400, Jack Hollis
> >> >> >> > <xsleeper@aol.com>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de>
> >> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> >> >> >> >>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to
> >> >> >> >>>fly
> >> >> >> >>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so
> >> >> >> >>> much
> >> >> >> >>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers
> >> >> >> >>>while
> >> >> >> >>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply
> >> >> >> >>>attrocious.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>David
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>What do you want him to do, book a seat on a commercial plane?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes, that is exactly what I want him to do.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>Being President has its privileges and going places on AF1 is one
> >> >> >> >>of
> >> >> >> >>them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Well, it should not be a privelge that is abused. If the
> >> >> >> > republican
> >> >> >> > party is so worried about raising money, they should foot the
> >> >> >> > bill,
> >> >> >> > not the taxpayers.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The cost to the american taxpayer is probably six figures. Add
> >> >> >> > this
> >> >> >> > up all of the times that he has done this the last 6 years and he
> >> >> >> > has
> >> >> >> > cost the american taxpayer somewhere in the 8 digits.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That is not exactly peanuts. This is money that could be much
> >> >> >> > better spent on other things.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > David
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's amazing all you libs whining about Bush using AF1 for
> >> >> >> fundraising
> >> >> >> trips. Funny nobody mentions the CLINTON DID THE SAME THING! ALONG
> >> >> >> WITH
> >> >> >> ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT! Hello, anybody home?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There you go - five seconds into any discussion of the Dubya
> >> >> > "Presidency", and the "Clinton did . . " mantra comes trotting out.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At least it is clear that Clinton obviously had a far greater impact
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > President than Dubya.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Do you ever pay attention?
> >> >
> >> > To intelligent comment, yes.
> >> >
> >> You might try making some then.
> >
> > Aaaah, that great neocon wit!
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Aaah, the typical Billy A.T. Clark response. Nothing.

Pot and kettle, my friend, pot and kettle.

William Clark

Date: 03 Oct 2006 14:33:35
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:

> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>all over the country attending party fundraisers?

While I don't care for fund raisers, he has a right to go where he
wants. Using Air Force One allows him to work at his job longer in
a secure environment with state of the art communication.

> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.

If he was going on vacation would you be objecting?

Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:12:43
From: David
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

On Tue, 03 2006 14:33:35 -0600, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:

>On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>
>While I don't care for fund raisers, he has a right to go where he
>wants. Using Air Force One allows him to work at his job longer in
>a secure environment with state of the art communication.

Attending fundraisers is a personal trip that has nothing to do with
governing america. When he, or any politician,uses governement
equipment and personnel for personal gain, they should be required to
pay for this out of pocket.

>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>
>If he was going on vacation would you be objecting?

Yes, of course I would, Howard. He does, however, plan his
vacations well. He simply needs to set up a meeting with a head of
state and call it official government business.

David

Date: 04 Oct 2006 13:13:03
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

On Wed, 04 2006 11:12:43 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote:

>>While I don't care for fund raisers, he has a right to go where he
>>wants. Using Air Force One allows him to work at his job longer in
>>a secure environment with state of the art communication.
>
> Attending fundraisers is a personal trip that has nothing to do with
>governing america. When he, or any politician,uses governement
>equipment and personnel for personal gain, they should be required to
>pay for this out of pocket.

I suppose he could reimburse us for the cost of a plane ticket - and
then save us a lot of money and hassle by using Air Force One anyway.
The plane has to be ready. What happens if he's reading a kid's
book in a grade school when America gets attacked?

>>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>>
>>If he was going on vacation would you be objecting?
>
> Yes, of course I would, Howard. He does, however, plan his
>vacations well. He simply needs to set up a meeting with a head of
>state and call it official government business.

Sort of what other businessmen do. (even authors)

Date: 03 Oct 2006 23:32:37
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:b3i5i2t2vnl0fmb3lh7vm9c9ufg2mml4ps@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>
> While I don't care for fund raisers, he has a right to go where he
> wants. Using Air Force One allows him to work at his job longer in
> a secure environment with state of the art communication.
>
>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>
> If he was going on vacation would you be objecting?

Can the Space Shuttle be comparably equipped?

Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:20:44
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
news:OHIUg.1598$v43.119@fed1read02...
>
> "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
> news:b3i5i2t2vnl0fmb3lh7vm9c9ufg2mml4ps@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>>
>> While I don't care for fund raisers, he has a right to go where he
>> wants. Using Air Force One allows him to work at his job longer in
>> a secure environment with state of the art communication.
>>
>>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>>
>> If he was going on vacation would you be objecting?
>
> Can the Space Shuttle be comparably equipped?
I believe Sir Branson can hook you up.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:39:48
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote in message
news:4oi1qdFem5iaU1@individual.net...
>
> "AKA Gray Asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> news:OHIUg.1598$v43.119@fed1read02...
>>
>> "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
>> news:b3i5i2t2vnl0fmb3lh7vm9c9ufg2mml4ps@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 03 2006 21:58:47 +0200, David <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>>>>should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>>>>all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>>>
>>> While I don't care for fund raisers, he has a right to go where he
>>> wants. Using Air Force One allows him to work at his job longer in
>>> a secure environment with state of the art communication.
>>>
>>>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>>>>going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>>>>spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>>>
>>> If he was going on vacation would you be objecting?
>>
>> Can the Space Shuttle be comparably equipped?
> I believe Sir Branson can hook you up.

I babysit Bush. How many spaces are on the space station? He could read to
me. I didn't get to hear the rest of that story from 911. And I haven't
heard the fairy tale about Katrina yet.

Date: 03 Oct 2006 14:18:10
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
news:o1g5i2dmc0e2nfehkdl50rpgep18ds7tr6@4ax.com...
> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>
> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>
> David

The president has a 24x7x365 job and his plane is part of his office. It has
sophisticated communication equipment in case of a national emergency.

The president flies one of the presidential planes wherever he goes, even on
vacation. This has been true, regardless of the president or the political
party.

Date: 03 Oct 2006 23:33:35
From: Dave Baker
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:WpudnRIHt6HjWL_YnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:o1g5i2dmc0e2nfehkdl50rpgep18ds7tr6@4ax.com...
> > This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> > should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> > all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >
> > That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> > going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> > spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> >
> > David
>
> The president has a 24x7x365 job and his plane is part of his office. It
has
> sophisticated communication equipment

So pretty much the direct opposite of the man himself eh :)
--
Dave Baker
www.pumaracing.co.uk
"Why," said Ford squatting down beside him and shivering, "are you lying
face down in the dust?"
"It's a very effective way of being wretched," said Marvin.

Date: 03 Oct 2006 20:42:26
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

Mark A <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote:
: "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
: news:o1g5i2dmc0e2nfehkdl50rpgep18ds7tr6@4ax.com...
: > This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
: > should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
: > all over the country attending party fundraisers?
: >
: > That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
: > going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
: > spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
:
: The president has a 24x7x365 job and his plane is part of his office. It has
: sophisticated communication equipment in case of a national emergency.
:
: The president flies one of the presidential planes wherever he goes, even on
: vacation. This has been true, regardless of the president or the political
: party.

I'm with Mark. The President is by definition a politician,
and the job also demands the security and communications that
AF1 affords. I have lots of reasons to dislike Bush, but this
is not one of them.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 03 Oct 2006 23:31:21
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3h16r9I8c5N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Mark A <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> : "David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> : news:o1g5i2dmc0e2nfehkdl50rpgep18ds7tr6@4ax.com...
> :> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> :> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> :> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> :>
> :> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> :> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> :> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> :
> : The president has a 24x7x365 job and his plane is part of his office. It
> has
> : sophisticated communication equipment in case of a national emergency.
> :
> : The president flies one of the presidential planes wherever he goes,
> even on
> : vacation. This has been true, regardless of the president or the
> political
> : party.
>
> I'm with Mark. The President is by definition a politician,
> and the job also demands the security and communications that
> AF1 affords. I have lots of reasons to dislike Bush, but this
> is not one of them.

Try.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 04:51:09
From: multi
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

On Tue, 3 2006 14:18:10 -0600, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com >
wrote:
>The president has a 24x7x365 job

We're talking about Bush, right?

Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:37:37
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
news:k087i21d34be1rpbop0qm1alshgsqnf502@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 2006 14:18:10 -0600, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>>The president has a 24x7x365 job
>
> We're talking about Bush, right?

I think he meant that the president knows what a 2 x 4 is.

Date: 03 Oct 2006 13:00:25
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

David wrote:
> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>
> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.

A molecule in a huge bucket. If your goal is to reduce waste, you're
starting in the wrong place.

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer

Date: 04 Oct 2006 05:05:50
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

On 3--2006, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote:

> A molecule in a huge bucket. If your goal is to reduce waste, you're
> starting in the wrong place.
>
> http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer

related site:

http://truthlaidbear.com/porkbusters/index.php

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 03 Oct 2006 23:30:19
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

Yeah. Why set a good example? It might be catchy.

"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1159905624.981208.178880@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> David wrote:
>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>>
>> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
>> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
>> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
>
> A molecule in a huge bucket. If your goal is to reduce waste, you're
> starting in the wrong place.
>
> http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer
>

Date: 04 Oct 2006 09:14:28
From: johnty
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

Dave Baker wrote:
>...........
> "Why," said Ford squatting down beside him and shivering, "are you lying
> face down in the dust?"
> "It's a very effective way of being wretched," said Marvin.

That sig made me laugh. I'm now digging out my four volumes of the
trilogy to read it all over again...

Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:36:50
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

"johnty" <johnty1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159978468.856538.212260@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dave Baker wrote:
>>...........
>> "Why," said Ford squatting down beside him and shivering, "are you lying
>> face down in the dust?"
>> "It's a very effective way of being wretched," said Marvin.
>
> That sig made me laugh. I'm now digging out my four volumes of the
> trilogy to read it all over again...

Does our government remind anyone of something from "A Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy"? The movie sucked but the book was interesting. Some of them
monsters just needed to be hid from.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 09:01:40
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1159905624.981208.178880@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > David wrote:
> >> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> >> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> >> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
> >>
> >> That he is even concerning himself with this when there is so much
> >> going wrong is abhorable. That he is attending fundraisers while
> >> spending american tax dollars in the process is simply attrocious.
> >
> > A molecule in a huge bucket. If your goal is to reduce waste, you're
> > starting in the wrong place.
> >
> > http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer

AKA Gray Asphalt wrote:
> Yeah. Why set a good example? It might be catchy.
>

Because there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to real government
waste. Hell, get rid of the Dept of Education and Dept of Commerce for
starters.

Date: 04 Oct 2006 10:02:00
From: the Moderator
Subject: Re: The presidential plane

Date: 04 Oct 2006 05:15:02
From: dsc
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

David wrote:
> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
> all over the country attending party fundraisers?

I think the President (even unpopular ones) pretty much has to use
either the presidential jumbo jet or presidential heleciptor when he
files. That's a security thing... he can't be flying commerical that's
for sure. :)

Date: 04 Oct 2006 11:45:12
From: AKA Gray Asphalt
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote in message
news:1159964102.677406.66510@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> David wrote:
>> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
>> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane to fly
>> all over the country attending party fundraisers?
>
> I think the President (even unpopular ones) pretty much has to use
> either the presidential jumbo jet or presidential heleciptor when he
> files. That's a security thing... he can't be flying commerical that's
> for sure. :)

I didn't know he knows the alphabet.

Date: 05 Oct 2006 01:25:01
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

David wrote:
> This goes for all politicians, regardless of party affiliation:
> should the president be allowed to use the presidential plane

Yes, provided the approach isn't too steep, or over the top at impact.

--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 05 Oct 2006 05:19:31
From: dsc
Subject: Re: OT: The presidential plane

>
> The president can still fly AF1, but his war chest can foot most of the bill
> when the travel is not related to his job.
\

I'm not against that... but is that the way past presidents did it?
I'm also not convinced that past presidents really need SS for life...
especially if they will retire, get out of the picture and not publicly
express any opinions once they leave office. :)