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Date: 08 Nov 2006 09:34:33
From: zumafan
Subject: OT: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Then in two years I can vote against Hillary in the primary AND the
general election.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 10:35:15
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

MnMikew wrote:
> "zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163007272.965967.107170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> But then we'd have to chop off your nuts and scoop out your brain like a
> pumpkin on Halloween.

Well that certainly is a minority viewpoint, ain't it?

ROFL!

Have fun being stuck in the party of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and
Rush.
Maybe you guys can get together and plan some more illegal invasions,
shoot somebody's face off, take some painkillers, waterboard a few
Mexican terrerrists and make fun of some MS victims.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 13:02:24
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1163010915.268087.35310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> "zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1163007272.965967.107170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> But then we'd have to chop off your nuts and scoop out your brain like a
>> pumpkin on Halloween.
>
> Well that certainly is a minority viewpoint, ain't it?
>
> ROFL!
>
> Have fun being stuck in the party of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and
> Rush.
> Maybe you guys can get together and plan some more illegal invasions,
> shoot somebody's face off, take some painkillers, waterboard a few
> Mexican terrerrists and make fun of some MS victims.

I see you've already registered.

Date: 10 Nov 2006 04:37:49
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Dene wrote:

>
> 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> Reagan, make mistakes.
>
> The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
>
>

What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that they are
more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and H.
Clinton as leaders! I'll grant that W. Clinton is bright, but so is Thad
Cochran on the right. So are Guliani and McCain.Edwards seems fairly bright
too, FWIW. Kerry is as a matter of reecord not as bright as Bush...and what
party nominated Kerry for Pres?Surely not the party of those that call Bush
stupid...and keep insisting that they are more intelligent than the other
party?!

I feel it to be my responsibility to point out that a lot of academics are
former premeds that didn't make it...and suspect that most doctors are
conservatives...while the ones that didn't make it are liberals! So who's
smarter? I have had a passion for ecology since childhood, FWIW, and never
had any interest at all in med school...making me the smartest of them all!
;^)

Date: 10 Nov 2006 09:20:04
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <45540035.212C8AE@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> Dene wrote:
>
> >
> > 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> > concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> > Reagan, make mistakes.
> >
> > The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
> >
> >
>
> What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that they are
> more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and H.
> Clinton as leaders! I'll grant that W. Clinton is bright, but so is Thad
> Cochran on the right. So are Guliani and McCain.Edwards seems fairly bright
> too, FWIW. Kerry is as a matter of reecord not as bright as Bush...and what
> party nominated Kerry for Pres?Surely not the party of those that call Bush
> stupid...and keep insisting that they are more intelligent than the other
> party?!
>
> I feel it to be my responsibility to point out that a lot of academics are
> former premeds that didn't make it...and suspect that most doctors are
> conservatives...while the ones that didn't make it are liberals! So who's
> smarter? I have had a passion for ecology since childhood, FWIW, and never
> had any interest at all in med school...making me the smartest of them all!
> ;^)

Good, and I suppose you have real evidence for this, other than your
wishful thinking?

William Clark

Date: 10 Nov 2006 13:06:37
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:37:49 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:

>What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that they are
>more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and H.
>Clinton as leaders!

Everybody knows that their beliefs are right - and people who believe
different are either stupid or evil.

In this case, something else is entered. Rural people trust slow
talking rural types. They distrust fast talking city folk. City
people are comfortable with fast talking - they think slow means
stupid.

Date: 12 Nov 2006 09:38:38
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
>
> > In article <45565967.17831E79@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Alan Baker wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <45565157.8226DAFC@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Alan Baker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <45564CDD.E536313E@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In article <4555FC43.901E1438@att.net>, Robert Hamilton
> > > > > > > > <DBID@att.net>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <pan.2006.11.11.13.00.35.854890@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:34:48 -0500, Jack Hollis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:14:18 GMT, Carbon
> > > > > > > > > > > > <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> My guess is that Bush is smarter than Kerry.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>Was he smarter than Clinton too? Either Clinton? Come on,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>say
> > > > > > > > > > > >>it, I
> > > > > > > > > > > >>could use the laugh.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know, what were Bill's SAT scores?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know. 1. SAT scores do not have a 1:1 correlation to
> > > > > > > > > > > IQ
> > > > > > > > > > > scores.
> > > > > > > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > > > > > > If you honestly think Bush and Clinton are even in the same
> > > > > > > > > > > academic
> > > > > > > > > > > solar
> > > > > > > > > > > system you have really been drinking the kool-aid. The
> > > > > > > > > > > difference
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > absolutely night and day. I would seriously start to wonder
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > length the bus was that took you to school when you were a
> > > > > > > > > > > kid.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The last smart Republican president was Nixon, and he was a
> > > > > > > > > > > crook.
> > > > > > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > > > > then so is Bush, so...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regardless of these SAT scores and GPAs, there is a big
> > > > > > > > > > difference
> > > > > > > > > > between test scores and "intelligence". However Bush, Gore,
> > > > > > > > > > CLinton,
> > > > > > > > > > Kerry et al. stack up on standardized tests, there is little
> > > > > > > > > > doubt
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > Dubya is ignorant, in the strict sense of the word. He has not
> > > > > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > > > widely (if at all), he did not travel extensively when he could
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > done, nor did he immerse himself in the political process until
> > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > selected for the Texas Governorship. There is no quantitative
> > > > > > > > > > measure
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > that - it just shows through on every public appearance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Right. just make it up. You wouldn't want to look at any
> > > > > > > > > quantitative
> > > > > > > > > data...it
> > > > > > > > > doesn't allow for personal bias...and we can't have that!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If that's the case, then Clinton's academic record should win him
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > undying reverence. Do you know how many Rhodes Scholars the US
> > > > > > > > sends to
> > > > > > > > Oxford ever year, and the competition and selection process to get
> > > > > > > > one?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rhodes College. Formerly Memphis Methodist College..or whas it
> > > > > > > Presbyterian.
> > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > give pout scholarships..so what? I don't deny that Clinton is an
> > > > > > > intelligent
> > > > > > > man,
> > > > > > > BTW, but it is funny how quantification aplliesw to him, but not
> > > > > > > Buch,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > certainly not Bush as compared to you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You really don't have a clue what the Rhodes Scholarships are, do you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > I know what they are...and I also know that Rhodes College has made some
> > > > > big
> > > > > mileage
> > > >
> > > > Which is in what way related to what's being discussed.
> > >
> > > I hate it when people in my business start judging other people's
> > > intellectual
> > > ability, and offer nothing but so called credentials as a basis for their
> > > qualifications to make judgements. So you have a Ph.D. or some scholarship.
> > > Big
> > > whoop. IMHO the idea is you are then supposed to go on and accomplish
> > > something. If
> > > you have all these great credentials, nothing to show for it in the form of
> > > life
> > > accomlishments, but run down other people's intelligence, especially people
> > > of
> > > accomplshment, you look like a total loser to me. It is common in my
> > > business, BTW;
> > > the people with the least accomplishment seem to be the quickest to pronounce
> > > judgement on the itellectual abilities of others. We all do it to some
> > > extent, BTW,
> > > it is required of the job...but how far do you take it?
> > >
> > > Not that I would feel comfortable judging other people's accomlishments, but
> > > I
> > > reserve the right to get ticked when others do. I've seen too many people who
> > > weren't judged by the great academics as being all that smart do very well,
> > > while
> > > these vaunted judges really have nothing to show for their lives.
> >
> > I also hate it when some idiot starts belittling someone's achievements
> > without having a CLUE what that achievement is. Truly Republican, I
> > would say.
> >
> > Now go away, look at the list of Rhodes Scholars and where they have
> > ended up in life. Pretty much a who's who in the intelligent end of US
> > society. No sign of Dubya, though.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> You get so blinded by your personal biases that you are incapabale of comprehending
> the prose of others. I'd love to have someone follow you around and report on your
> rhetorical gaffs!

This is evidence of your gift for prose? I'm laughing out loud as I
type. BTW, its gaffes, not gaffs.

Date: 12 Nov 2006 12:43:31
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

John B. wrote:
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
>> You get so blinded by your personal biases that you are incapabale
>> of comprehending the prose of others. I'd love to have someone
>> follow you around and report on your rhetorical gaffs!
>
> This is evidence of your gift for prose? I'm laughing out loud as I
> type. BTW, its gaffes, not gaffs.

Don't "spell flame" the moron on Usenet. Just spank him for the content
(or lack thereof) of his message.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 12 Nov 2006 18:04:33
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Head Shot wrote:

> John B. wrote:
> > Robert Hamilton wrote:
> >> You get so blinded by your personal biases that you are incapabale
> >> of comprehending the prose of others. I'd love to have someone
> >> follow you around and report on your rhetorical gaffs!
> >
> > This is evidence of your gift for prose? I'm laughing out loud as I
> > type. BTW, its gaffes, not gaffs.
>
> Don't "spell flame" the moron on Usenet. Just spank him for the content
> (or lack thereof) of his message.
>
> --

This sort of thing remains the main reason for the decline of this group, as
others have stated. Certain authors have to demonize those who disagree with
them.

Date: 12 Nov 2006 13:10:39
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> This sort of thing remains the main reason for the decline of this
> group, as others have stated. Certain authors have to demonize those
> who disagree with them.

Your views are being brought into question. You are doing that; not the
golf group. If you do not want to be asked to support your positions; then
do not post them on Usenet for the world to laugh at.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 12 Nov 2006 17:33:57
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Dene wrote:

> Head Shot wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> > > Uh....Dr. Robert Hamilton is a professor and researcher in genetic
> > > biology.
> >
> >
> > Are we talking about the Robert Hamilton that thinks Rhodes is a college and
> > not a trust fund? That didn't know what the 14th Ammendment was? Oh
> > please - he is bullshitting you. He has the IQ of a bag of Cheetos.
>
> He's been playing you. Bellomy warned you. Many people in RSG know
> him personally.
>
> 3:30 a.m. and you're up? Ambien, my friend....Ambien!
>
> -Greg

Rhodes is a college, FWIW...and does offer scholarships! I wonder why they changed
their name to Rhodes?
;^)

Date: 12 Nov 2006 12:42:06
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Rhodes is a college, FWIW...and does offer scholarships!

Rhodes is also a dozen golf courses. Stop back pedaling. You were caught
dead to rights on not having a clue what a Rhodes university scholarship is;
so just move on. And please do not continue to trivialize academic
accomplishments; it just comes off as sour grapes from someone who stalled
in 11th grade.

> I wonder why
> they changed their name to Rhodes?
> ;^)

I know you are struggling with comprehension on this topic; but perhaps you
might want to consider that more than one person with the name Rhodes exists
or existed on this planet?

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 12 Nov 2006 20:01:33
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4557591C.4AAB557F@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> Dene wrote:
>
> > Head Shot wrote:
> > > Dene wrote:
> > > > Uh....Dr. Robert Hamilton is a professor and researcher in genetic
> > > > biology.
> > >
> > >
> > > Are we talking about the Robert Hamilton that thinks Rhodes is a college
> > > and
> > > not a trust fund? That didn't know what the 14th Ammendment was? Oh
> > > please - he is bullshitting you. He has the IQ of a bag of Cheetos.
> >
> > He's been playing you. Bellomy warned you. Many people in RSG know
> > him personally.
> >
> > 3:30 a.m. and you're up? Ambien, my friend....Ambien!
> >
> > -Greg
>
> Rhodes is a college, FWIW...and does offer scholarships! I wonder why they
> changed
> their name to Rhodes?
> ;^)

After a former President of the College. Sheesh! Don't you read
anyhthing posted in response to your ramblings?

William Clark

Date: 12 Nov 2006 00:37:57
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Head Shot wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Uh....Dr. Robert Hamilton is a professor and researcher in genetic
> > biology.
>
>
> Are we talking about the Robert Hamilton that thinks Rhodes is a college and
> not a trust fund? That didn't know what the 14th Ammendment was? Oh
> please - he is bullshitting you. He has the IQ of a bag of Cheetos.

He's been playing you. Bellomy warned you. Many people in RSG know
him personally.

3:30 a.m. and you're up? Ambien, my friend....Ambien!

-Greg

Date: 12 Nov 2006 11:41:15
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Dene wrote:
> He's been playing you. Bellomy warned you. Many people in RSG know
> him personally.

When I see a lucid post I will decide if he is that stupid or just playing.

> 3:30 a.m. and you're up? Ambien, my friend....Ambien!

I have had the worst time trying to get tired since I hurt my foot and back.
It's going to suck tomorrow morning when I have to head to work. :-( I
have never been much of a morning person; but as I get older I like to
sleep later and longer.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 09 Nov 2006 20:15:52
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Carbon wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:10:11 -0800, Dene wrote:
> > Carbon wrote:
>
> >> IQ over a hundred. It matters in a President. You get a dull normal
> >> like Bush in there and he's going to fuck things up.
> >
> > Well what's your specific solution to Iraq, bright guy?
>
> Not invading in the first place.

20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
Reagan, make mistakes.

The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????

-Greg

Date: 10 Nov 2006 04:33:28
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:15:52 -0800, Dene wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:10:11 -0800, Dene wrote:
>> > Carbon wrote:
>>
>> >> IQ over a hundred. It matters in a President. You get a dull normal
>> >> like Bush in there and he's going to fuck things up.
>> >
>> > Well what's your specific solution to Iraq, bright guy?
>>
>> Not invading in the first place.
>
> 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> Reagan, make mistakes.

The invasion wasn't just a "mistake". It was a scam and everyone knew it.
Remember the "Coalition of the Willing?" A bunch of little countries
bought with various bribes, and Great Britain, which also has extensive
oil interests in the Middle East. The rest of the G8 would have nothing to
do with Iraq.

> The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????

We're fucked. Pardon my French. There's no good solution. We've spent
hundreds of billions and cost the lives of thousands of troops, and the
lives of thousands more Iraqi citizens. We will undoubtedly leave the
place in much worse shape than we found it. All we can hope for now is to
minimize the further loss of lives and money.

Date: 10 Nov 2006 14:23:26
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Dene wrote:
> The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????

You are not going to like my solution! I say we pull out immediately and
let the onus fall upon the UN to figure something out. When UN bitches and
moans; we tell them to leave NYC and give them about a week to get out.
Let them all head to the Hague. We all know it's just a puppet for the Arab
Coalition now anyway (Libya as the head of Human Rights?!?! Are they kidding
us?!?!?!). then next time we decide we want to invade somewhere; we just
get the NATO forces to agree and screw what the UN thinks.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 10 Nov 2006 20:27:33
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:20:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:

<clip >
>Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how pathetic
>are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM* stupid!
>Now thgat's stupid!

Do you hold that one can't be stupid and fall into fortuitous
situations that gain them wealth, fame, or high regard?

Date: 11 Nov 2006 16:39:04
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Bobby Knight wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:20:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> <clip>
> >Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how pathetic
> >are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM* stupid!
> >Now thgat's stupid!
>
> Do you hold that one can't be stupid and fall into fortuitous
> situations that gain them wealth, fame, or high regard?

Stupid? Maybe in the media...but business or politics? No way.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 10:21:11
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <l4dal257oj37dl87cge69e2hgqb3216asi@4ax.com >,
Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:20:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> <clip>
> >Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how
> >pathetic
> >are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM*
> >stupid!
> >Now thgat's stupid!
>
>
> Do you hold that one can't be stupid and fall into fortuitous
> situations that gain them wealth, fame, or high regard?

To which I say - "Paris Hilton and Prince Charles".

I rest my case, m'lud.

William CLark

Date: 11 Nov 2006 16:56:35
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"William A. T. Clark" wrote:

> In article <l4dal257oj37dl87cge69e2hgqb3216asi@4ax.com>,
> Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:20:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > <clip>
> > >Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how
> > >pathetic
> > >are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM*
> > >stupid!
> > >Now thgat's stupid!
> >
> >
> > Do you hold that one can't be stupid and fall into fortuitous
> > situations that gain them wealth, fame, or high regard?
>
> To which I say - "Paris Hilton and Prince Charles".
>
> I rest my case, m'lud.
>

A US citizen can't be a prince. It's against the law.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 13:10:06
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4555FED8.D7D79B9A@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
>
> > In article <l4dal257oj37dl87cge69e2hgqb3216asi@4ax.com>,
> > Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:20:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > <clip>
> > > >Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but
> > > >how
> > > >pathetic
> > > >are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call
> > > >*HIM*
> > > >stupid!
> > > >Now thgat's stupid!
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you hold that one can't be stupid and fall into fortuitous
> > > situations that gain them wealth, fame, or high regard?
> >
> > To which I say - "Paris Hilton and Prince Charles".
> >
> > I rest my case, m'lud.
> >
>
> A US citizen can't be a prince. It's against the law.

Oh, I didn't realize that only US citizens could be stupid.

Bit hard on yourself, aren't you?

William Clark

Date: 11 Nov 2006 11:58:21
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> A US citizen can't be a prince. It's against the law.

What law might that be? I didn't see it in the US Constitution anywhere.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 11 Nov 2006 17:03:43
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Head Shot wrote:

> Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > A US citizen can't be a prince. It's against the law.
>
> What law might that be? I didn't see it in the US Constitution anywhere.
>

Look at the laws associated with citizenship...it defines the laws with
respect to what it means to be a US citizen there. I had thought this was
well known to all Americans.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 12:27:43
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Head Shot wrote:
>
>> Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>> A US citizen can't be a prince. It's against the law.
>>
>> What law might that be? I didn't see it in the US Constitution
>> anywhere.
>>
>
> Look at the laws associated with citizenship...it defines the laws
> with respect to what it means to be a US citizen there. I had thought
> this was well known to all Americans.

I am calling "bullshit" on this one. I am not sure where you live; but
here in the United States of America we have the 14th Ammendment. And your
contention is in direct opposition to that; so I am calling "bullshit" .
So, if the 14th Ammendment has been repealed you should cite that.

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 11 Nov 2006 22:25:57
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Head Shot wrote:

> Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > Head Shot wrote:
> >
> >> Robert Hamilton wrote:
> >>> A US citizen can't be a prince. It's against the law.
> >>
> >> What law might that be? I didn't see it in the US Constitution
> >> anywhere.
> >>
> >
> > Look at the laws associated with citizenship...it defines the laws
> > with respect to what it means to be a US citizen there. I had thought
> > this was well known to all Americans.
>
> I am calling "bullshit" on this one. I am not sure where you live; but
> here in the United States of America we have the 14th Ammendment. And your
> contention is in direct opposition to that; so I am calling "bullshit" .
> So, if the 14th Ammendment has been repealed you should cite that.
>
> http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html
> 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the
> jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
> wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall
> abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
> shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
> due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
> protection of the laws.

Call what you will, but if you have some aristocratic title, you have to give it
up to become a US citizen. I'm not going to look it up though...but I've seen
it.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:14:14
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Call what you will, but if you have some aristocratic title, you have
> to give it up to become a US citizen. I'm not going to look it up
> though...but I've seen it.

I'm not calling anything. I am just saying that the 14th Amendment is clear
and completely unambiguous.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 11 Nov 2006 11:35:07
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <l4dal257oj37dl87cge69e2hgqb3216asi@4ax.com>,
> Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:20:03 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <clip>
>>> Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either,
>>> but how pathetic
>>> are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU*
>>> call *HIM* stupid!
>>> Now thgat's stupid!
>>
>>
>> Do you hold that one can't be stupid and fall into fortuitous
>> situations that gain them wealth, fame, or high regard?
>
> To which I say - "Paris Hilton and Prince Charles".

Bill Gates - spends $50 and drops out of college to become King of the
Planet Earth.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 10 Nov 2006 08:00:20
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

annika1980 wrote:

>
> My solution is to get the fuck out.
>
> The Repugs say, "We can't leave now, it would be chaos."
> Well, it's already chaos so that argument rings hollow.
>
> What they really mean is "We can't leave now, we'll lose control of the
> oil reserves, and all our defense contractors like Halliburton will
> lose their billions of taxpayer money.
>
>
> It's ironic that we say we can't leave until Iraq has a new government
> in place. Then when the new Iraqi government tells us to leave, we
> say, "Not so fast, we're still in charge here."

O'Reilly or a guest of his had an imaginative solution. Put a
referendum before the Iraqi people. Do you want the USA to stay
another year? If they say yes, we continue the course of training,
equiping their security forces. If they say no, we leave. Either
scenario, the Iraqi people will own the decision, their outcome. Isn't
that we're hoping for??

-Greg

Date: 10 Nov 2006 12:01:15
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <1163174420.003458.32310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:

> annika1980 wrote:
>
> >
> > My solution is to get the fuck out.
> >
> > The Repugs say, "We can't leave now, it would be chaos."
> > Well, it's already chaos so that argument rings hollow.
> >
> > What they really mean is "We can't leave now, we'll lose control of the
> > oil reserves, and all our defense contractors like Halliburton will
> > lose their billions of taxpayer money.
> >
> >
> > It's ironic that we say we can't leave until Iraq has a new government
> > in place. Then when the new Iraqi government tells us to leave, we
> > say, "Not so fast, we're still in charge here."
>
> O'Reilly or a guest of his had an imaginative solution. Put a
> referendum before the Iraqi people. Do you want the USA to stay
> another year? If they say yes, we continue the course of training,
> equiping their security forces. If they say no, we leave. Either
> scenario, the Iraqi people will own the decision, their outcome. Isn't
> that we're hoping for??
>
> -Greg

Every now and then, O'Reilly comes up with a good idea. This is one of
them.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 03:41:15
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On 10-Nov-2006, Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:

> > O'Reilly or a guest of his had an imaginative solution. Put a
> > referendum before the Iraqi people. Do you want the USA to stay
> > another year? If they say yes, we continue the course of training,
> > equiping their security forces. If they say no, we leave. Either
> > scenario, the Iraqi people will own the decision, their outcome. Isn't
> > that we're hoping for??
> >
> > -Greg
>
> Every now and then, O'Reilly comes up with a good idea. This is one of
> them.

It is their country.

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 10:27:29
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: OT: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

zumafan wrote:
> Then in two years I can vote against Hillary in the primary AND the
> general election.

The most popular bumper sticker the next two years will be
the one that says, "RUN, HILLARY, RUN!"

The Democrats have it on the back bumper of their cars while the Repubs
put it on the front.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 12:06:23
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163007272.965967.107170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

But then we'd have to chop off your nuts and scoop out your brain like a
pumpkin on Halloween.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 18:17:24
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
>
> We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
>
> There, now you've seen it.

Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
it. That's what a Communist society does.

Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
it.

Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.

But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
think you can get it done.
Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
2007....don't forget.

Tex

Date: 09 Nov 2006 03:12:02
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
: >
: > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
: > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
: >
: > There, now you've seen it.
:
: Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
: You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
: it. That's what a Communist society does.

http://www.thepoorman.net/wp-content/DiscFY2004Pie.gif
http://www.thepoorman.net/wp-content/WorldMilitarySpending.jpg

: Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
: it.

I dunno, $300B will buy a lot of loops around Pac Dunes. To
update William Proxmire, spend a billion here and a billion
there, and pretty soon you're talking about a lot of money.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 08 Nov 2006 21:27:54
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:12:02 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>:
>: Chris Bellomy wrote:
>:> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>:>
>:> : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
>:>
>:> We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
>:> competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
>:>
>:> There, now you've seen it.
>:
>: Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
>: You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
>: it. That's what a Communist society does.
>
>http://www.thepoorman.net/wp-content/DiscFY2004Pie.gif
>http://www.thepoorman.net/wp-content/WorldMilitarySpending.jpg
>
>: Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
>: it.
>
>I dunno, $300B will buy a lot of loops around Pac Dunes. To
>update William Proxmire, spend a billion here and a billion
>there, and pretty soon you're talking about a lot of money.

Not Proxmire...Everett Dirksen.
bk

Date: 09 Nov 2006 03:54:03
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
: On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:12:02 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
:
: >Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
: >:
: >: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: >:> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
: >:>
: >:> : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
: >:>
: >:> We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
: >:> competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
: >:>
: >:> There, now you've seen it.
: >:
: >: Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
: >: You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
: >: it. That's what a Communist society does.
: >
: >http://www.thepoorman.net/wp-content/DiscFY2004Pie.gif
: >http://www.thepoorman.net/wp-content/WorldMilitarySpending.jpg
: >
: >: Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
: >: it.
: >
: >I dunno, $300B will buy a lot of loops around Pac Dunes. To
: >update William Proxmire, spend a billion here and a billion
: >there, and pretty soon you're talking about a lot of money.
:
: Not Proxmire...Everett Dirksen.

Oh. I'm pretty sure that Proxmire reappropriated it with his
Golden Fleece Awards, but my apologies to the late Sen. Dirksen.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 08 Nov 2006 22:07:04
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> >
> > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> >
> > There, now you've seen it.
>
> Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
> You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
> it. That's what a Communist society does.
>
> Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
> it.
>
> Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
>
> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> think you can get it done.
> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> 2007....don't forget.
>
> Tex

See, Chris there's just no point. One the one hand he slams you for what
he THINKS you believe, and when you tell him is isn't so, he slams you
as a liar. You simply cannot win when dealing with bigots.

And they are probably wondering why they got booted out of the House and
(probably) the Senate. They simply are not very bright.

William Clark

Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:47:47
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-3EB7E1.22070408112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
>> >
>> > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
>> > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
>> >
>> > There, now you've seen it.
>>
>> Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
>> You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
>> it. That's what a Communist society does.
>>
>> Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
>> it.
>>
>> Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
>>
>> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
>> think you can get it done.
>> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
>> 2007....don't forget.
>>
>> Tex
>
> See, Chris there's just no point. One the one hand he slams you for what
> he THINKS you believe, and when you tell him is isn't so, he slams you
> as a liar. You simply cannot win when dealing with bigots.
>
So just what did Tex say in that post that makes him a bigot?

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 09 Nov 2006 16:33:14
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote
>
> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> think you can get it done.
> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> 2007....don't forget.

Now wait a minute, Tex.

You "boys" on the right have been blaming Bill Clinton for everything you
thought was wrong, despite the fact that he's been out of office for nearly
six years (ignoring, by the way, that it was a Republican Congress passing
all the legislation that you so vehemently opposed during that period).

Now you say that as soon as the Dems take office, everything that goes wrong
is their fault.

I'm calling bullshit. You don't get to have it both ways.

Randy

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:27:28
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> >
> > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> >
> > There, now you've seen it.
>
> Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
> You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
> it. That's what a Communist society does.
>
> Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
> it.
>
> Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
>
> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> think you can get it done.
> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> 2007....don't forget.
>
> Tex

Oh, yes, but don't we get to blame the current administration for at
least the next six years? That's what you guys have been doing so
vehemently with the Clinton years. Fair's fair, after all.

William Clark

Date: 08 Nov 2006 16:39:00
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Date: 08 Nov 2006 16:13:21
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

The_Professor wrote:
> Tex wrote:
> > "R&B" wrote:
> > > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
> > > >
> > > > ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> > > > looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> > > > pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> > > > money!
> > >
> > > Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
> > > you've heard of it.
> >
> > Send more in than they rob from you if you think they need more.
> >
> > > With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress that
> > > has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly think the
> > > financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our kids and our
> > > grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway Repubs will be
> > > leaving behind.
> >
> > I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...in fact, when
> > a automatic increase is scaled back, they call it a spending cut.
> > Ridiculous!
> >
> > They already take in over $2.4T a year...no need to raise revenue with
> > tax increases...but the spending. Cut the future promises.
> >
> > If you think they need more money, send it in. Nothing stopping you.
> > Robbing us at gunpoint is never a solution.
> >
>
>
> These people who want to reduce the debt like this should organize
> themselves and send in their money. They could pay off the debt in no
> time! I personally don't mind govt. services, but a "medicare" plan
> that pays benefits to poor people who don't work, but not to poor
> people who do work...that is in fact set up only to pay people who
> don't work is a little bit odd, to me at least, especuially in the case
> of able bodied people who could work, but for one reason or another
> choose not to! It's a free country, of course, but if they choose to
> not work, and as a consequence have no money, how is that someone
> else's problem? ..and who cares how old you are (how young you
> are...maybe, but how old you are?).
>
> I don't get why poor workjing people get medicare and why poor non
> working people do, not to mention old people who don't work as compared
> to young people who do work.

In too much of a hurry to get out of here...been here since 8:30AM
*WORKING* so that the govt will have money to give to people who don't
work so they can buy pills and fancy ZTR chairs...at no cost to them!!
I still don't get why poor working people don't get medicare but poor
non working people do......

Date: 08 Nov 2006 16:10:19
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Tex wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
> > >
> > > ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> > > looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> > > pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> > > money!
> >
> > Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
> > you've heard of it.
>
> Send more in than they rob from you if you think they need more.
>
> > With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress that
> > has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly think the
> > financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our kids and our
> > grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway Repubs will be
> > leaving behind.
>
> I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...in fact, when
> a automatic increase is scaled back, they call it a spending cut.
> Ridiculous!
>
> They already take in over $2.4T a year...no need to raise revenue with
> tax increases...but the spending. Cut the future promises.
>
> If you think they need more money, send it in. Nothing stopping you.
> Robbing us at gunpoint is never a solution.
>

These people who want to reduce the debt like this should organize
themselves and send in their money. They could pay off the debt in no
time! I personally don't mind govt. services, but a "medicare" plan
that pays benefits to poor people who don't work, but not to poor
people who do work...that is in fact set up only to pay people who
don't work is a little bit odd, to me at least, especuially in the case
of able bodied people who could work, but for one reason or another
choose not to! It's a free country, of course, but if they choose to
not work, and as a consequence have no money, how is that someone
else's problem? ..and who cares how old you are (how young you
are...maybe, but how old you are?).

I don't get why poor workjing people get medicare and why poor non
working people do, not to mention old people who don't work as compared
to young people who do work.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 15:38:39
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"R&B" wrote:
> "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
> >
> > ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> > looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> > pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> > money!
>
> Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
> you've heard of it.

Send more in than they rob from you if you think they need more.

> With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress that
> has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly think the
> financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our kids and our
> grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway Repubs will be
> leaving behind.

I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...in fact, when
a automatic increase is scaled back, they call it a spending cut.
Ridiculous!

They already take in over $2.4T a year...no need to raise revenue with
tax increases...but the spending. Cut the future promises.

If you think they need more money, send it in. Nothing stopping you.
Robbing us at gunpoint is never a solution.

Tex

Date: 09 Nov 2006 01:13:21
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

: I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...

We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.

There, now you've seen it.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:45:56
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3k0k7oI8e0N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
>
> We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
>
It's thinking like this why terrorists support Dems.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:13:43
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:45:56 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:

>It's thinking like this why terrorists support Dems.

I thought it was Big Business that gave the big money to Democrats
(and Republicans). So you believe terrorists are contributing?

Terrorists don't care who rules the U.S. - except if they can get the
response they want. Islamic terrorists are working for local causes
- such as the overthrow of secular governments (and of rival Islamic
governments), to be replaced by their brand of Islam. One tool is
to convince their peers that the U.S. and Israel are running their
governments. So they are happy when they can point to the U.S.
attacking Muslims.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 19:57:45
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

MnMikew <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:
:
: "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
: news:0T3k0k7oI8e0N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
: > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
: >
: > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
: > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
: >
: It's thinking like this why terrorists support Dems.

It's posts like this that prove Republicans to be serially
stupid and/or dishonest.

Let me ask you this, Mike, since you're so gung ho to line
the pockets of defense contractors: how much money do we need
to spend to be safe? $500 billion/year? $1 trillion? $10 trillion?
How much is enough? And how does every other country do it so
much more cheaply?

Does it not bother you at all, having your money ripped out
of your wallet to pad the pockets of billionaires?

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:39:53
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3k2m20Iqr3N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>
> Let me ask you this, Mike, since you're so gung ho to line
> the pockets of defense contractors: how much money do we need
> to spend to be safe? $500 billion/year? $1 trillion? $10 trillion?
> How much is enough? And how does every other country do it so
> much more cheaply?

And when there's another 911 you'll be saying we didn't spend enough, or do
enough. Being world cop is expensive.
>
> Does it not bother you at all, having your money ripped out
> of your wallet to pad the pockets of billionaires?
>
Billionare defense contractors? Do you know of any? Bet George Soros has
plenty of Defence Contractors in his portfolio. Beats having money ripped
out of my wallet to fund illegal immigrants welfare and schooling.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 23:26:41
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:39:53 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:

>
>And when there's another 911 you'll be saying we didn't spend enough, or do
>enough. Being world cop is expensive.

We'll never be 100% safe. Especially if we give up our liberties to
do so. But some strategies give us better return for our costs than
others.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 16:30:25
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163029119.468831.224510@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>> "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
>> >
>> > ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
>> > looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
>> > pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
>> > money!
>>
>> Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
>> you've heard of it.
>
> Send more in than they rob from you if you think they need more.
>
>> With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress
>> that
>> has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly think
>> the
>> financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our kids and our
>> grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway Repubs will
>> be
>> leaving behind.
>
> I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...in fact, when
> a automatic increase is scaled back, they call it a spending cut.
> Ridiculous!
>
> They already take in over $2.4T a year...no need to raise revenue with
> tax increases...but the spending. Cut the future promises.
>
> If you think they need more money, send it in. Nothing stopping you.
> Robbing us at gunpoint is never a solution.

Look, I'm all for scaled-down government. But if you think the Republicans
were giving it to America, you're all wet. They have run up a debt like
nobody's business. The entitlements that have been signed into law in the
last five years are rivaled only by those during the LBJ years. The only
difference is that most of them have been going to big oil and corporate
America.

Will the Dems be any more fiscally responsible? Nobody knows for sure. But
if you base your predictions on history, you would not have predicted that a
so-called "conservative" Republican Congress would have spent money like a
bunch of drunken sailors, but that's exactly what this last crop of
Republicans did. So forget about trying to project what this next Congress
will do. When it comes to predicting the future, you guys on the right have
already played your hand, and you haven't been right yet.

Randy

Date: 10 Nov 2006 07:43:17
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <45540035.212C8AE@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Dene wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> > > concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> > > Reagan, make mistakes.
> > >
> > > The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
> > >
> > >
> >
> > What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that they are
> > more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and H.
> > Clinton as leaders! I'll grant that W. Clinton is bright, but so is Thad
> > Cochran on the right. So are Guliani and McCain.Edwards seems fairly bright
> > too, FWIW. Kerry is as a matter of reecord not as bright as Bush...and what
> > party nominated Kerry for Pres?Surely not the party of those that call Bush
> > stupid...and keep insisting that they are more intelligent than the other
> > party?!
> >
> > I feel it to be my responsibility to point out that a lot of academics are
> > former premeds that didn't make it...and suspect that most doctors are
> > conservatives...while the ones that didn't make it are liberals! So who's
> > smarter? I have had a passion for ecology since childhood, FWIW, and never
> > had any interest at all in med school...making me the smartest of them all!
> > ;^)
>
> Good, and I suppose you have real evidence for this, other than your
> wishful thinking?
>
> William Clark

Kerry graduated lower than Bush at Yale in the same year. No real big
deal, unless one of them (or his supporters) claim to be smarter than
the other!

..or do you mean the academic thing? Are you a failed premed? I'm not!

Date: 10 Nov 2006 12:26:38
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <1163173396.997008.18480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <45540035.212C8AE@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dene wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> > > > concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> > > > Reagan, make mistakes.
> > > >
> > > > The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that they
> > > are
> > > more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and H.
> > > Clinton as leaders! I'll grant that W. Clinton is bright, but so is Thad
> > > Cochran on the right. So are Guliani and McCain.Edwards seems fairly
> > > bright
> > > too, FWIW. Kerry is as a matter of reecord not as bright as Bush...and
> > > what
> > > party nominated Kerry for Pres?Surely not the party of those that call
> > > Bush
> > > stupid...and keep insisting that they are more intelligent than the other
> > > party?!
> > >
> > > I feel it to be my responsibility to point out that a lot of academics
> > > are
> > > former premeds that didn't make it...and suspect that most doctors are
> > > conservatives...while the ones that didn't make it are liberals! So who's
> > > smarter? I have had a passion for ecology since childhood, FWIW, and
> > > never
> > > had any interest at all in med school...making me the smartest of them
> > > all!
> > > ;^)
> >
> > Good, and I suppose you have real evidence for this, other than your
> > wishful thinking?
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Kerry graduated lower than Bush at Yale in the same year. No real big
> deal, unless one of them (or his supporters) claim to be smarter than
> the other!
>
> ..or do you mean the academic thing? Are you a failed premed? I'm not!

I see, so the only criteria for intellectual attainment is graduating
GPA? How about reading a few books afterwards, traveling with an
inquiring mind, getting involved in important issues - you know,
generally continuing your education? So far, it's Kerry/Gore leading
Shrub 3-0. You know, of course, that Winston Churchill was kept back two
years at Harrow because he was so dumb. Seems to me he made up for that
in later life.

You can't have it both ways - sneer at those with academic attainment,
and then cite GPA as a measure of a man 40 years later.

William Clark

Date: 10 Nov 2006 14:34:45
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On 10 Nov 2006 07:43:17 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

>Kerry graduated lower than Bush at Yale in the same year. No real big
>deal, unless one of them (or his supporters) claim to be smarter than
>the other!
>

My guess is that Bush is smarter than Kerry. Obviously, the reason
that Kerry failed to release his college records was because he knew
that Bush did better. I also wonder what Kerry's SAT scores were.
I'll bet again that they were lower than Bush's.

BTW, there's a fairly high correlation between IQ and SAT scores.
Bush's SAT scores were 1206. That would translate into around 1300
using today's scoring system. That would put Bush's estimated IQ at
around 125. Bush is no genius, but he's no dummy either. There are
lots of Ph. Ds with 125 IQs.

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Date: 10 Nov 2006 15:21:48
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <jkk9l25qn0lllrdmfa38p6m249mj6n93h3@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On 10 Nov 2006 07:43:17 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> >Kerry graduated lower than Bush at Yale in the same year. No real big
> >deal, unless one of them (or his supporters) claim to be smarter than
> >the other!
> >
>
>
> My guess is that Bush is smarter than Kerry. Obviously, the reason
> that Kerry failed to release his college records was because he knew
> that Bush did better. I also wonder what Kerry's SAT scores were.
> I'll bet again that they were lower than Bush's.
>
> BTW, there's a fairly high correlation between IQ and SAT scores.
> Bush's SAT scores were 1206. That would translate into around 1300
> using today's scoring system. That would put Bush's estimated IQ at
> around 125. Bush is no genius, but he's no dummy either. There are
> lots of Ph. Ds with 125 IQs.

And Bush's SAT score is about 200 points lower than the average for
incoming Yale freshmen at that time. Not sure quite why you scale his
late '60s SAT up to 1300 - probably cosmetic wishful thinking based on
urban legend. Actual SAT data show SAT scores declining slightly over
the last 35 years, at least.

However, SAT and IQ score cannot make up for a total lack of interest in
continuing the education process in adult life.

William Clark

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Date: 08 Nov 2006 23:14:24
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: OT: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On 8 Nov 2006 09:34:33 -0800, "zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com > wrote:

>Then in two years I can vote against Hillary in the primary AND the
>general election.

I register a the primary - for the party who has the candidate I want
to vote against. Then switch to independent the next week.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 11:59:32
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

The_Professor wrote:
> annika1980 wrote:
> > MnMikew wrote:
> > > "zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1163007272.965967.107170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > But then we'd have to chop off your nuts and scoop out your brain like a
> > > pumpkin on Halloween.
> >
> > Well that certainly is a minority viewpoint, ain't it?
> >
> > ROFL!
> >
> > Have fun being stuck in the party of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and
> > Rush.
> > Maybe you guys can get together and plan some more illegal invasions,
> > shoot somebody's face off, take some painkillers, waterboard a few
> > Mexican terrerrists and make fun of some MS victims.
>
> With the Dems back in control of the legisiature, they need to bomb the
> Serbians again to remind them that the KLA has a right to shoot
> Serbians down in the streets of Serbia, and the US needs drive more of
> a wedge between the US and Slavic nations...and it only costs 20
> billion a pop! The US also needs to support the regime in Khartoum the
> same way they supported the regime in Rwanda under the noble Hutu
> government. We also need more sexual relations between pages and
> government officials; maybe have some special trips for teenage pages
> and congressmen.

> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> money!

You must be joking...you think Anni makes enough to actually PAY taxes?
Sheesh! He was hoping for Dem control so he'd get a raise in his
public assitance check!

Tex

Date: 08 Nov 2006 11:04:06
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

annika1980 wrote:
> MnMikew wrote:
> > "zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1163007272.965967.107170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > But then we'd have to chop off your nuts and scoop out your brain like a
> > pumpkin on Halloween.
>
> Well that certainly is a minority viewpoint, ain't it?
>
> ROFL!
>
> Have fun being stuck in the party of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and
> Rush.
> Maybe you guys can get together and plan some more illegal invasions,
> shoot somebody's face off, take some painkillers, waterboard a few
> Mexican terrerrists and make fun of some MS victims.

With the Dems back in control of the legisiature, they need to bomb the
Serbians again to remind them that the KLA has a right to shoot
Serbians down in the streets of Serbia, and the US needs drive more of
a wedge between the US and Slavic nations...and it only costs 20
billion a pop! The US also needs to support the regime in Khartoum the
same way they supported the regime in Rwanda under the noble Hutu
government. We also need more sexual relations between pages and
government officials; maybe have some special trips for teenage pages
and congressmen.

...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
money!

Date: 08 Nov 2006 18:30:18
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote
>
> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> money!

Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
you've heard of it.

With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress that
has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly think the
financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our kids and our
grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway Repubs will be
leaving behind.

Randy

Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:42:43
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:vuqdnYMZttjy9c_YnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
>>
>> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
>> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
>> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
>> money!
>
>
> Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
> you've heard of it.
>
> With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress
> that has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly
> think the financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our
> kids and our grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway
> Repubs will be leaving behind.
>
So you don't think the current congress wont spend like drunken sailors?
You're nuts.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:24:10
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4rh7kkFr2ge9U1@mid.individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:

> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:vuqdnYMZttjy9c_YnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
> >>
> >> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> >> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> >> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> >> money!
> >
> >
> > Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
> > you've heard of it.
> >
> > With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress
> > that has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly
> > think the financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our
> > kids and our grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway
> > Repubs will be leaving behind.
> >
> So you don't think the current congress wont spend like drunken sailors?
> You're nuts.

This would be as opposed to $1B down the drain in Iraq every day? I
would be hard to outspend that.

William Clark

Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:46:39
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-1C2734.15241009112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <4rh7kkFr2ge9U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:vuqdnYMZttjy9c_YnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
>> >>
>> >> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
>> >> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay
>> >> for
>> >> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
>> >> money!
>> >
>> >
>> > Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go."
>> > Maybe
>> > you've heard of it.
>> >
>> > With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress
>> > that has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly
>> > think the financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our
>> > kids and our grandkids. That's some legacy the
>> > don't-tax-and-spend-anyway
>> > Repubs will be leaving behind.
>> >
>> So you don't think the current congress wont spend like drunken sailors?
>> You're nuts.
>
> This would be as opposed to $1B down the drain in Iraq every day? I
> would be hard to outspend that.
>
Once they grant amnesty to all the illegals it won't.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 22:15:17
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Dene wrote:
>
> >
> > 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> > concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> > Reagan, make mistakes.
> >
> > The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
> >
> >
>
> What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that they are
> more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and H.
> Clinton as leaders! I'll grant that W. Clinton is bright, but so is Thad
> Cochran on the right. So are Guliani and McCain.Edwards seems fairly bright
> too, FWIW. Kerry is as a matter of reecord not as bright as Bush...and what
> party nominated Kerry for Pres?Surely not the party of those that call Bush
> stupid...and keep insisting that they are more intelligent than the other
> party?!
>
> I feel it to be my responsibility to point out that a lot of academics are
> former premeds that didn't make it...and suspect that most doctors are
> conservatives...while the ones that didn't make it are liberals! So who's
> smarter? I have had a passion for ecology since childhood, FWIW, and never
> had any interest at all in med school...making me the smartest of them all!
> ;^)

Remind me of RSG. People like Bobby Knight, etc. questioning your
intelligence. And you're a genetic biologist.

-Greg

Date: 09 Nov 2006 22:11:55
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Carbon wrote:

>
> > The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
>
> We're fucked. Pardon my French. There's no good solution. We've spent
> hundreds of billions and cost the lives of thousands of troops, and the
> lives of thousands more Iraqi citizens. We will undoubtedly leave the
> place in much worse shape than we found it. All we can hope for now is to
> minimize the further loss of lives and money.

"Hope"?? That's your solution....hope???

I hope the Dems are little bit more imaginative.

-Greg

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Date: 10 Nov 2006 06:35:11
From: zumafan
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Nov 9, 11:33 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com > wrote:

> Remember the "Coalition of the Willing?" A bunch of little countries
> bought with various bribes, and Great Britain, which also has extensive
> oil interests in the Middle East. The rest of the G8 would have nothing to
> do with Iraq.

Not completely true, they were happily taking bribes from Saddam.

Date: 10 Nov 2006 06:10:37
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Dene wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
> > On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:10:11 -0800, Dene wrote:
> > > Carbon wrote:
> >
> > >> IQ over a hundred. It matters in a President. You get a dull normal
> > >> like Bush in there and he's going to fuck things up.
> > >
> > > Well what's your specific solution to Iraq, bright guy?
> >
> > Not invading in the first place.
>
> 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> Reagan, make mistakes.

Selling weapons to Iran so that Hezbollah would release American
hostages, then turning the proceeds over to the Nicaraguan contras in
direct violation of federal law, then lying about it wasn't a mistake?
Actually, no, it wasn't. He did it all on purpose. Forget I said
anything.

>
> The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
>
>
> -Greg

Date: 10 Nov 2006 14:48:49
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

John B. wrote:
> Selling weapons to Iran so that Hezbollah would release American
> hostages, then turning the proceeds over to the Nicaraguan contras in
> direct violation of federal law, then lying about it wasn't a mistake?
> Actually, no, it wasn't. He did it all on purpose. Forget I said
> anything.

Reagan didn't remember doing those things.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

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Date: 10 Nov 2006 14:25:33
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On 10 Nov 2006 06:10:37 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

>Selling weapons to Iran so that Hezbollah would release American
>hostages, then turning the proceeds over to the Nicaraguan contras in
>direct violation of federal law, then lying about it wasn't a mistake?

I think this is a fairly simplistic analysis of what Reagan did with
regards to Iran. He also was hoping to improve relations. The loss
of Iran was a major blow to the US visa vie the Soviet Union. There
was some hope that Rafsanjani was a guy they could deal with. It
didn't work, but it was worth a try.

The divergence of the profits to the Contras was a stroke of
brilliance. I'd like to think that Reagan thought it up, but from
reports, the idea came from the Israelis. There's no doubt that it
was illegal, but some laws are so grievous that acts of civil
disobedience are necessary.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 13:53:20
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message
news:1163012646.719785.152670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> annika1980 wrote:
>> MnMikew wrote:
>> > "zumafan" <mgeorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1163007272.965967.107170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > But then we'd have to chop off your nuts and scoop out your brain like
>> > a
>> > pumpkin on Halloween.
>>
>> Well that certainly is a minority viewpoint, ain't it?
>>
>> ROFL!
>>
>> Have fun being stuck in the party of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and
>> Rush.
>> Maybe you guys can get together and plan some more illegal invasions,
>> shoot somebody's face off, take some painkillers, waterboard a few
>> Mexican terrerrists and make fun of some MS victims.
>
> With the Dems back in control of the legisiature, they need to bomb the
> Serbians again to remind them that the KLA has a right to shoot
> Serbians down in the streets of Serbia, and the US needs drive more of
> a wedge between the US and Slavic nations...and it only costs 20
> billion a pop! The US also needs to support the regime in Khartoum the
> same way they supported the regime in Rwanda under the noble Hutu
> government. We also need more sexual relations between pages and
> government officials; maybe have some special trips for teenage pages
> and congressmen.
>
> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> money!
>
Let's not forget all the illegals that will get amnesty and free College.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 09:51:42
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

MnMikew wrote:
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:vuqdnYMZttjy9c_YnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
> >>
> >> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> >> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay for
> >> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> >> money!
> >
> >
> > Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go." Maybe
> > you've heard of it.
> >
> > With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress
> > that has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly
> > think the financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our
> > kids and our grandkids. That's some legacy the don't-tax-and-spend-anyway
> > Repubs will be leaving behind.
> >
> So you don't think the current congress wont spend like drunken sailors?
> You're nuts.

Well, at least people expect that of them. The Republicans came into
power preaching fiscal austerity, then went on a binge. Actually, I
think the Dems have learned their lesson where pork-barrel spending is
concerned.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 12:07:16
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163094702.352282.209450@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> MnMikew wrote:
>> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:vuqdnYMZttjy9c_YnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
>> >>
>> >> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
>> >> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay
>> >> for
>> >> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
>> >> money!
>> >
>> >
>> > Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go."
>> > Maybe
>> > you've heard of it.
>> >
>> > With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress
>> > that has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly
>> > think the financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our
>> > kids and our grandkids. That's some legacy the
>> > don't-tax-and-spend-anyway
>> > Repubs will be leaving behind.
>> >
>> So you don't think the current congress wont spend like drunken sailors?
>> You're nuts.
>
>
> Well, at least people expect that of them. The Republicans came into
> power preaching fiscal austerity, then went on a binge. Actually, I
> think the Dems have learned their lesson where pork-barrel spending is
> concerned.
>
Learned their lesson? HA! They cant wait to get to all that pork. Sure the
Repubs spent like Dems. But they also had a war and several hurricanes to
deal with.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 12:09:25
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:07:16 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:

>
>"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>
>> Well, at least people expect that of them. The Republicans came into
>> power preaching fiscal austerity, then went on a binge. Actually, I
>> think the Dems have learned their lesson where pork-barrel spending is
>> concerned.
>>
>Learned their lesson? HA! They cant wait to get to all that pork. Sure the
>Repubs spent like Dems. But they also had a war and several hurricanes to
>deal with.
>
The hurricanes weren't of their making, but the war damned sure was.
They screwed both up.
___,
\o

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:57:08
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4rh92lFrgaorU1@mid.individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:

> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163094702.352282.209450@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > MnMikew wrote:
> >> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> >> news:vuqdnYMZttjy9c_YnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> ...and don't forget to pay more taxes. A guy like you is probably
> >> >> looking at another $1500. or so for 2007! We need more money to pay
> >> >> for
> >> >> pills for people who don't work...and someone has to come up with the
> >> >> money!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Personally, I'm all in favor of it. It's called "pay as you go."
> >> > Maybe
> >> > you've heard of it.
> >> >
> >> > With the debt America is facing today, thanks to a Republican congress
> >> > that has spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors, do you honestly
> >> > think the financial burden won't fall on SOMEONE? It will fall on our
> >> > kids and our grandkids. That's some legacy the
> >> > don't-tax-and-spend-anyway
> >> > Repubs will be leaving behind.
> >> >
> >> So you don't think the current congress wont spend like drunken sailors?
> >> You're nuts.
> >
> >
> > Well, at least people expect that of them. The Republicans came into
> > power preaching fiscal austerity, then went on a binge. Actually, I
> > think the Dems have learned their lesson where pork-barrel spending is
> > concerned.
> >
> Learned their lesson? HA! They cant wait to get to all that pork. Sure the
> Repubs spent like Dems. But they also had a war and several hurricanes to
> deal with.

"spent like Dems"? They far exceeded that!

Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:08:36
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:07:16 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:

>Learned their lesson? HA! They cant wait to get to all that pork. Sure the
>Repubs spent like Dems. But they also had a war and several hurricanes to
>deal with.

One of the hurricanes was more expensive than usual - but the money
spent wasn't spent competently.

The president ran on the platform that he was better prepared to deal
with disaster, and his new department was in charge of the hurricane
disasters - and screwed up.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:42:19
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:9j27l25sma673lc2reppt4ckueo4b9la1m@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:07:16 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Learned their lesson? HA! They cant wait to get to all that pork. Sure the
>>Repubs spent like Dems. But they also had a war and several hurricanes to
>>deal with.
>
> One of the hurricanes was more expensive than usual - but the money
> spent wasn't spent competently.

Most of it was wasted on fraud perpetrated by the folks it was supposed to
help.
>
> The president ran on the platform that he was better prepared to deal
> with disaster, and his new department was in charge of the hurricane
> disasters - and screwed up.

FEMA is a NEW department?

Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:43:39
From: Don Kirkman
Subject: Re: Larry-A Good Reason to Vote Democratic

It seems to me I heard somewhere that larry wrote in article
<et24l2151g6062aomjognlhelrtfacp74o@4ax.com >:

>On 8 Nov 2006 08:15:31 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:

>>larry wrote:

>>>But no responsible
>>> person doubts that they are planning more 9/11 type attacks and will
>>> NEVER stop planning them. Bush simply wants to ensure that the next
>>> horrific attack is not on his watch. I would do exactly the same, and
>>> so would you.

>>No I wouldn't. Certainly al qaeda and other groups would love to attack
>>the US again. But as is clear to every human being on earth but you,
>>"winning" in Iraq will not prevent them from doing that.

>There have been no further large attacks here-- primarily due to their
>total focus on Iraq.

When was the last large attack in the US by non-Americans *prior* to
9/11? If conservatives are going to take credit for five years without
a major attack, someone deserves get credit for the eight years between
the 1993 Trade Center attack (minor by comparison) and 9/11 in which
there was no attack. The policies of previous administrations held off
major attacks for eight years, and Bush will have to keep us untouched
until the end of his term to match that record.
--
Don Kirkman

Date: 09 Nov 2006 17:20:26
From: larry
Subject: Re: Larry-A Good Reason to Vote Democratic

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:43:39 -0800, Don Kirkman
<donsno2@wavecable.com > wrote:

>It seems to me I heard somewhere that larry wrote in article
><et24l2151g6062aomjognlhelrtfacp74o@4ax.com>:
>
>>On 8 Nov 2006 08:15:31 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>larry wrote:
>
>>>>But no responsible
>>>> person doubts that they are planning more 9/11 type attacks and will
>>>> NEVER stop planning them. Bush simply wants to ensure that the next
>>>> horrific attack is not on his watch. I would do exactly the same, and
>>>> so would you.
>
>>>No I wouldn't. Certainly al qaeda and other groups would love to attack
>>>the US again. But as is clear to every human being on earth but you,
>>>"winning" in Iraq will not prevent them from doing that.
>
>>There have been no further large attacks here-- primarily due to their
>>total focus on Iraq.
>
>When was the last large attack in the US by non-Americans *prior* to
>9/11? If conservatives are going to take credit for five years without
>a major attack, someone deserves get credit for the eight years between
>the 1993 Trade Center attack (minor by comparison) and 9/11 in which
>there was no attack. The policies of previous administrations held off
>major attacks for eight years, and Bush will have to keep us untouched
>until the end of his term to match that record.

So what color is the sky where you live? Damn, it is amazing to hear
from someone from another planet, who apparently missed about a dozen
Al Queda attacks on us or our Navy or our allies around the world.

Larry

Date: 10 Nov 2006 13:00:35
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Larry-A Good Reason to Vote Democratic

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:20:26 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:

>So what color is the sky where you live? Damn, it is amazing to hear
>from someone from another planet, who apparently missed about a dozen
>Al Queda attacks on us or our Navy or our allies around the world.

Al Queda? Which attacks are you referring to that were done by them?

Date: 10 Nov 2006 14:23:14
From: Don Kirkman
Subject: Re: Larry-A Good Reason to Vote Democratic

It seems to me I heard somewhere that larry wrote in article
<dsk7l2hfego9st92hkhephsig5pd0vk35t@4ax.com >:

>On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:43:39 -0800, Don Kirkman
><donsno2@wavecable.com> wrote:

>>It seems to me I heard somewhere that larry wrote in article
>><et24l2151g6062aomjognlhelrtfacp74o@4ax.com>:

>>>On 8 Nov 2006 08:15:31 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>larry wrote:

>>>There have been no further large attacks here-- primarily due to their
>>>total focus on Iraq.

>>When was the last large attack in the US by non-Americans *prior* to
>>9/11? If conservatives are going to take credit for five years without
>>a major attack, someone deserves get credit for the eight years between
>>the 1993 Trade Center attack (minor by comparison) and 9/11 in which
>>there was no attack. The policies of previous administrations held off
>>major attacks for eight years, and Bush will have to keep us untouched
>>until the end of his term to match that record.

> Damn, it is amazing to hear
>from someone from another planet, who apparently missed about a dozen
>Al Queda attacks on us or our Navy or our allies around the world.

I responded to what you wrote, not to what you wish you'd written:
"There have been no further large attacks here-- primarily due to their
total focus on Iraq."

If by "here" you meant anywhere in the world you should have done a
better job of stating your point.
--
Don Kirkman

Date: 09 Nov 2006 20:32:48
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :
> :> Or maybe we should quit spending all our money on... nothing.
> :
> : Sorry, Military is "something"....Social Experimentation is nothing.
>
> Sorry, there's diminishing returns with defense spending just
> as there is with anything. We get pennies of value for every
> dollar we spend at our current rate. We could be putting that
> money into schools, into roads and other infrastructure... into,
> ya know, retiring the freakin' debt and getting out from under
> the thumbs of the Chinese.

Not the job of the Federal Government to fund schools.
Road yes, Interstate highways only.
Infrastructure, yes, unless it's a State's right.

> Ironic, isn't it, that we're squandering our national security
> by spending so heavily on national defense?

How about a wealth tax? Anyone with over $10M in wealth, one time 50%
hit.
They can afford it, right?
Think George Soros would like that? Being the good Communist, he's
appreciate it.

That would go a long way to fixing the debt....

Tex

Date: 10 Nov 2006 05:36:10
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
: > : Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > :
: > :> Or maybe we should quit spending all our money on... nothing.
: > :
: > : Sorry, Military is "something"....Social Experimentation is nothing.
: >
: > Sorry, there's diminishing returns with defense spending just
: > as there is with anything. We get pennies of value for every
: > dollar we spend at our current rate. We could be putting that
: > money into schools, into roads and other infrastructure... into,
: > ya know, retiring the freakin' debt and getting out from under
: > the thumbs of the Chinese.
:
: Not the job of the Federal Government to fund schools.

Who said anything about the federal government?

: Road yes, Interstate highways only.
: Infrastructure, yes, unless it's a State's right.

Who said anything about the federal government?

: > Ironic, isn't it, that we're squandering our national security
: > by spending so heavily on national defense?
:
: How about a wealth tax? Anyone with over $10M in wealth, one time 50%
: hit.

You have weird ideas.

: They can afford it, right?

That's beside the point.

: Think George Soros would like that? Being the good Communist, he's
: appreciate it.

You do realize that Soros made his reputation by taking
down Communist regimes, don't you? Or is your kneejerk
need to smear people you disagree with just too strong
for you to resist?

Stick to golf, it's the only thing you know much about.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 10 Nov 2006 09:17:30
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <2T3k3ntdIfnmN34@redshark.goodshow.net >,
Chris Bellomy <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> :> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> :
> :> :> Or maybe we should quit spending all our money on... nothing.
> :> :
> :> : Sorry, Military is "something"....Social Experimentation is nothing.
> :>
> :> Sorry, there's diminishing returns with defense spending just
> :> as there is with anything. We get pennies of value for every
> :> dollar we spend at our current rate. We could be putting that
> :> money into schools, into roads and other infrastructure... into,
> :> ya know, retiring the freakin' debt and getting out from under
> :> the thumbs of the Chinese.
> :
> : Not the job of the Federal Government to fund schools.
>
> Who said anything about the federal government?
>
> : Road yes, Interstate highways only.
> : Infrastructure, yes, unless it's a State's right.
>
> Who said anything about the federal government?
>
> :> Ironic, isn't it, that we're squandering our national security
> :> by spending so heavily on national defense?
> :
> : How about a wealth tax? Anyone with over $10M in wealth, one time 50%
> : hit.
>
> You have weird ideas.
>
> : They can afford it, right?
>
> That's beside the point.
>
> : Think George Soros would like that? Being the good Communist, he's
> : appreciate it.
>
> You do realize that Soros made his reputation by taking
> down Communist regimes, don't you? Or is your kneejerk
> need to smear people you disagree with just too strong
> for you to resist?
>
> Stick to golf, it's the only thing you know much about.

Chris, Chris, don't you realize by now that injecting actual true facts
in to any discussion with the loony right on this ng is a waste of time?

Still, it's fun to prod then and listen to the screams, though.

William Clark

Date: 09 Nov 2006 20:10:11
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Carbon wrote:

>
> IQ over a hundred. It matters in a President. You get a dull normal like
> Bush in there and he's going to fuck things up.

Well what's your specific solution to Iraq, bright guy?

-Greg

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 09 Nov 2006 19:36:07
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Carbon wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:15:09 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> > The other reason is that no one wants Cheney to take over. As flakey as
> > Bush is, Cheney is truly dangerous and has a very scary world view.
>
> Too bad we couldn't round them all up. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz,
> Bush--everyone who was in on the con.
>
> Hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of troops dead. Hell, they
> impeached Clinton over a blowjob.

You can't stop talking about him, can you?

Tex

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 09 Nov 2006 18:35:01
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Head Shot wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > Dumbass rednecks in Mississippi use their FEMA dollars to clean up and
> > rebuild
>
>
> How do they rebuild a swamp? Do they glue parts of gators and crawdads back
> together?

What are you talking about? They've done virtually nothing in the City
of NO. They could at least clean it up. If they build the levees
properly, it should be no problem anyways. I wonder where all the money
really went?

Date: 10 Nov 2006 14:50:16
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

The_Professor wrote:
> Head Shot wrote:
>> The_Professor wrote:
>>> Dumbass rednecks in Mississippi use their FEMA dollars to clean up
>>> and rebuild
>>
>>
>> How do they rebuild a swamp? Do they glue parts of gators and
>> crawdads back together?
>
> What are you talking about? They've done virtually nothing in the City
> of NO. They could at least clean it up. If they build the levees
> properly, it should be no problem anyways. I wonder where all the
> money really went?

Swiss bank accounts. Seriously.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 09 Nov 2006 17:44:45
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Head Shot wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > Dumbass rednecks in Mississippi use their FEMA dollars to clean up and
> > rebuild
>
>
> How do they rebuild a swamp? Do they glue parts of gators and crawdads back
> together?
>
>
> On a serious note - with Dems taking power in both houses is anyone
> predicting an attempt to impeach Bushtard with some excuse or another?

Won't happen...the Clinton's will never allow it. Quickest way to
assure no Hillary in '08 is to impeach Bush.

Tex

Date: 09 Nov 2006 20:15:09
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <1163123085.340149.283580@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

> Head Shot wrote:
> > The_Professor wrote:
> > > Dumbass rednecks in Mississippi use their FEMA dollars to clean up and
> > > rebuild
> >
> >
> > How do they rebuild a swamp? Do they glue parts of gators and crawdads back
> > together?
> >
> >
> > On a serious note - with Dems taking power in both houses is anyone
> > predicting an attempt to impeach Bushtard with some excuse or another?
>
> Won't happen...the Clinton's will never allow it. Quickest way to
> assure no Hillary in '08 is to impeach Bush.
>
> Tex

The other reason is that no one wants Cheney to take over. As flakey as
Bush is, Cheney is truly dangerous and has a very scary world view.

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:56:55
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Dene wrote:
> John B. wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> > > "R&B" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Look, I'm all for scaled-down government. But if you think the Republicans
> > > > were giving it to America, you're all wet. They have run up a debt like
> > > > nobody's business.
> > >
> > > Gee....ya think a couple of hurricanes and a war might have been a
> > > factor. Your hero, Bubba, didn't face these situations, did he?
> >
> > If they spent that much on Katrina relief, than they all should be
> > stood up against a wall and shot, given what the people of the Gulf
> > Coast got for their money. But you're conveniently ignoring the ruaway
> > pork-barrel spending that the last several Republican Congresses got
> > away with, because they had a president who was too stupid and
> > indifferent to stand up to them. They brought appropriations bills to
> > the House floor that were loaded with pork ear-marked for individual
> > Republican members -- bridges, roads, tunnels, water projects, etc.
> > This was an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money that had nothing to do
> > with wars or hurricanes.
>
> Can you cite some specific pork? If not, I do agree that the system of
> rewarding the homeboy districts is flawed. This is precisely why there
> should be less Federal government and more reliance on the state and
> local governments.

Ted Stevens' "bridge to nowhere" comes to mind. If you want to see
specific projects then look at the energy and water approps. bill or
the transportation approps. bill or the supplemental. They're all full
of earmarks.

>
> But do you see the Dems advocating this kind of reform?

No, but I don't see them going on a wild spending spree, either.

>
>
> -Greg

Date: 10 Nov 2006 06:37:18
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

> Dene wrote:
>
> Can you cite some specific pork?

You want pork? Whole hog baby! from 1991 to 2006

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2006

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:43:48
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

John B. wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > "R&B" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Look, I'm all for scaled-down government. But if you think the Republicans
> > > were giving it to America, you're all wet. They have run up a debt like
> > > nobody's business.
> >
> > Gee....ya think a couple of hurricanes and a war might have been a
> > factor. Your hero, Bubba, didn't face these situations, did he?
>
> If they spent that much on Katrina relief, than they all should be
> stood up against a wall and shot, given what the people of the Gulf
> Coast got for their money. But you're conveniently ignoring the ruaway
> pork-barrel spending that the last several Republican Congresses got
> away with, because they had a president who was too stupid and
> indifferent to stand up to them. They brought appropriations bills to
> the House floor that were loaded with pork ear-marked for individual
> Republican members -- bridges, roads, tunnels, water projects, etc.
> This was an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money that had nothing to do
> with wars or hurricanes.

Can you cite some specific pork? If not, I do agree that the system of
rewarding the homeboy districts is flawed. This is precisely why there
should be less Federal government and more reliance on the state and
local governments.

But do you see the Dems advocating this kind of reform?

-Greg

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:28:32
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

John B. wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > "R&B" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Look, I'm all for scaled-down government. But if you think the Republicans
> > > were giving it to America, you're all wet. They have run up a debt like
> > > nobody's business.
> >
> > Gee....ya think a couple of hurricanes and a war might have been a
> > factor. Your hero, Bubba, didn't face these situations, did he?
>
> If they spent that much on Katrina relief, than they all should be
> stood up against a wall and shot, given what the people of the Gulf
> Coast got for their money. But you're conveniently ignoring the ruaway
> pork-barrel spending that the last several Republican Congresses got
> away with, because they had a president who was too stupid and
> indifferent to stand up to them. They brought appropriations bills to
> the House floor that were loaded with pork ear-marked for individual
> Republican members -- bridges, roads, tunnels, water projects, etc.
> This was an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money that had nothing to do
> with wars or hurricanes.

Funny how they've done a lot with the money in Mississippi, which had
far more destruction across a much larger area (and got much less
money), than they have in New Orleans...flood damage only and they got
*A LOT* more money...and done virtually nothing...but they did rebuild
the superdome! ...and many residents apparently took their fed dollars
and bought season tickets...and no doubt will be looking for more money
next year to rebuild thier homes...er renew their tickets...with the
residential areas virtually untouched.

Dumbass rednecks in Mississippi use their FEMA dollars to clean up and
rebuild....deserve a Republican govt!

Date: 09 Nov 2006 18:48:04
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

The_Professor wrote:
> Dumbass rednecks in Mississippi use their FEMA dollars to clean up and
> rebuild

How do they rebuild a swamp? Do they glue parts of gators and crawdads back
together?

On a serious note - with Dems taking power in both houses is anyone
predicting an attempt to impeach Bushtard with some excuse or another?

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:21:12
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Dene wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
>
> >
> > Look, I'm all for scaled-down government. But if you think the Republicans
> > were giving it to America, you're all wet. They have run up a debt like
> > nobody's business.
>
> Gee....ya think a couple of hurricanes and a war might have been a
> factor. Your hero, Bubba, didn't face these situations, did he?

If they spent that much on Katrina relief, than they all should be
stood up against a wall and shot, given what the people of the Gulf
Coast got for their money. But you're conveniently ignoring the ruaway
pork-barrel spending that the last several Republican Congresses got
away with, because they had a president who was too stupid and
indifferent to stand up to them. They brought appropriations bills to
the House floor that were loaded with pork ear-marked for individual
Republican members -- bridges, roads, tunnels, water projects, etc.
This was an outrageous waste of taxpayers' money that had nothing to do
with wars or hurricanes.

>
> The entitlements that have been signed into law in the
> > last five years are rivaled only by those during the LBJ years. The only
> > difference is that most of them have been going to big oil and corporate
> > America.
>
> Medicare Part D. Seems that a pack of senior citizens are the direct
> recipients of this entitlement. Name the others?
>
> > Will the Dems be any more fiscally responsible? Nobody knows for sure. But
> > if you base your predictions on history, you would not have predicted that a
> > so-called "conservative" Republican Congress would have spent money like a
> > bunch of drunken sailors, but that's exactly what this last crop of
> > Republicans did.
>
> Hurricanes and war is expensive.
>
> So forget about trying to project what this next Congress
> > will do. When it comes to predicting the future, you guys on the right have
> > already played your hand, and you haven't been right yet.
>
> It will be interesting to see how the leftists like you fare.
>
> -Greg

Date: 10 Nov 2006 10:01:38
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <1163173396.997008.18480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
>
> > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > In article <45540035.212C8AE@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dene wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> > > > > concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> > > > > Reagan, make mistakes.
> > > > >
> > > > > The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that they
> > > > are
> > > > more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and H.
> > > > Clinton as leaders! I'll grant that W. Clinton is bright, but so is Thad
> > > > Cochran on the right. So are Guliani and McCain.Edwards seems fairly
> > > > bright
> > > > too, FWIW. Kerry is as a matter of reecord not as bright as Bush...and
> > > > what
> > > > party nominated Kerry for Pres?Surely not the party of those that call
> > > > Bush
> > > > stupid...and keep insisting that they are more intelligent than the other
> > > > party?!
> > > >
> > > > I feel it to be my responsibility to point out that a lot of academics
> > > > are
> > > > former premeds that didn't make it...and suspect that most doctors are
> > > > conservatives...while the ones that didn't make it are liberals! So who's
> > > > smarter? I have had a passion for ecology since childhood, FWIW, and
> > > > never
> > > > had any interest at all in med school...making me the smartest of them
> > > > all!
> > > > ;^)
> > >
> > > Good, and I suppose you have real evidence for this, other than your
> > > wishful thinking?
> > >
> > > William Clark
> >
> > Kerry graduated lower than Bush at Yale in the same year. No real big
> > deal, unless one of them (or his supporters) claim to be smarter than
> > the other!
> >
> > ..or do you mean the academic thing? Are you a failed premed? I'm not!
>
> I see, so the only criteria for intellectual attainment is graduating
> GPA? How about reading a few books afterwards, traveling with an
> inquiring mind, getting involved in important issues - you know,
> generally continuing your education? So far, it's Kerry/Gore leading
> Shrub 3-0. You know, of course, that Winston Churchill was kept back two
> years at Harrow because he was so dumb. Seems to me he made up for that
> in later life.
>
> You can't have it both ways - sneer at those with academic attainment,
> and then cite GPA as a measure of a man 40 years later.
>

So you are making the fool claim that George Bush doesn't read books,
doesn't have an inquiring mind and doesn't get involved with the
issues? You glasses aren't rose colored, they are totally opaque!
People get held back for lots of reasons. College GPA is something
accumulated over 4 several years, and is a good measure of academic
ability. Bush pursued education after his undergraduate degree as well.

As a behavior, people who are stupid are the ones who are always
carping on other people intelligence. People who really are smart don't
worry about it. Its like people who worry about how much money other
people have; they are more envious than anything else when they obsess
on the issue. As a group, democrats are no more or less intelligent
than republicans. However, in my experience, people in the media are a
lot dumber than people in general. A few exceptions. O'Reilly and
Franken seem pretty smart to me, but Letterman, Garafalo, unsmart!
...a dumb conservative media person......can't think of one...but there
must be some out there!

..so I guess you weren't challenging me on the failed premed thing! In
my experience, some of those sorts are the WORST in our business! Note
that I am not talking about people who went to med school and didn't
finish, but those who played the premed game throughout HS and college
and never made it to med school.

Date: 10 Nov 2006 15:28:13
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <1163181698.631218.114750@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <1163173396.997008.18480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > > In article <45540035.212C8AE@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dene wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 20/20 hindsight brilliance, with most of America, including me,
> > > > > > concurring. Bush made a big mistake. Most presidents, aside from
> > > > > > Reagan, make mistakes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The real question is.....what does the USA do now?????
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What amazes me most about US politics is the idea the left has that
> > > > > they
> > > > > are
> > > > > more intelligent than the right...with people like Kennedy, Biden and
> > > > > H.
> > > > > Clinton as leaders! I'll grant that W. Clinton is bright, but so is
> > > > > Thad
> > > > > Cochran on the right. So are Guliani and McCain.Edwards seems fairly
> > > > > bright
> > > > > too, FWIW. Kerry is as a matter of reecord not as bright as
> > > > > Bush...and
> > > > > what
> > > > > party nominated Kerry for Pres?Surely not the party of those that
> > > > > call
> > > > > Bush
> > > > > stupid...and keep insisting that they are more intelligent than the
> > > > > other
> > > > > party?!
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel it to be my responsibility to point out that a lot of
> > > > > academics
> > > > > are
> > > > > former premeds that didn't make it...and suspect that most doctors
> > > > > are
> > > > > conservatives...while the ones that didn't make it are liberals! So
> > > > > who's
> > > > > smarter? I have had a passion for ecology since childhood, FWIW, and
> > > > > never
> > > > > had any interest at all in med school...making me the smartest of
> > > > > them
> > > > > all!
> > > > > ;^)
> > > >
> > > > Good, and I suppose you have real evidence for this, other than your
> > > > wishful thinking?
> > > >
> > > > William Clark
> > >
> > > Kerry graduated lower than Bush at Yale in the same year. No real big
> > > deal, unless one of them (or his supporters) claim to be smarter than
> > > the other!
> > >
> > > ..or do you mean the academic thing? Are you a failed premed? I'm not!
> >
> > I see, so the only criteria for intellectual attainment is graduating
> > GPA? How about reading a few books afterwards, traveling with an
> > inquiring mind, getting involved in important issues - you know,
> > generally continuing your education? So far, it's Kerry/Gore leading
> > Shrub 3-0. You know, of course, that Winston Churchill was kept back two
> > years at Harrow because he was so dumb. Seems to me he made up for that
> > in later life.
> >
> > You can't have it both ways - sneer at those with academic attainment,
> > and then cite GPA as a measure of a man 40 years later.
> >
>
>
> So you are making the fool claim that George Bush doesn't read books,
> doesn't have an inquiring mind and doesn't get involved with the
> issues? You glasses aren't rose colored, they are totally opaque!
> People get held back for lots of reasons. College GPA is something
> accumulated over 4 several years, and is a good measure of academic
> ability. Bush pursued education after his undergraduate degree as well.
>
Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
weeks to answer this one.

>
> As a behavior, people who are stupid are the ones who are always
> carping on other people intelligence. People who really are smart don't
> worry about it. Its like people who worry about how much money other
> people have; they are more envious than anything else when they obsess
> on the issue. As a group, democrats are no more or less intelligent
> than republicans. However, in my experience, people in the media are a
> lot dumber than people in general. A few exceptions. O'Reilly and
> Franken seem pretty smart to me, but Letterman, Garafalo, unsmart!
> ...a dumb conservative media person......can't think of one...but there
> must be some out there!
>
People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really dumb
manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great deal of
harm.

>
> ..so I guess you weren't challenging me on the failed premed thing! In
> my experience, some of those sorts are the WORST in our business! Note
> that I am not talking about people who went to med school and didn't
> finish, but those who played the premed game throughout HS and college
> and never made it to med school.

Never ever had any inclination to become a body mechanic. Why spend your
whole life patching up faults with the human body, when you can create
things that advance the human condition instead? Plenty of them in the
family, though, and good luck to them. They do noble work, but not the
challenge for me.

William Clark

Date: 11 Nov 2006 02:20:03
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"William A. T. Clark" wrote:

> >
> Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
> done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
> weeks to answer this one.

Are you kidding or what. He graduated from Yale, pursued post graduate eduation
following that graduation. Was elected governor of Texas and President of the
Unitted Steas. What have you done that compares with that?

>
> >
> People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really dumb
> manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great deal of
> harm.
>

I see. So we replace Thad Cochran with Robert Byrd as chair of one of the, if not
the most powerful of senate committees. I guess you have to assume Byrd is more
intelligent than Cochran to follow the party line...and that Cochran must be a
racist, being from Mississippi and all, while Byrd surely cannot be a racist, as he
is a democrat leader...because that's the party line. Heaven forbind you look at
the record...follow that party line! Skits on saturday night live present Bush as
stupid, so he must be stupid!

Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how pathetic
are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM* stupid!
Now thgat's stupid!

Date: 11 Nov 2006 10:20:18
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4555316B.BAA45327@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
>
> > >
> > Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
> > done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
> > weeks to answer this one.
>
> Are you kidding or what. He graduated from Yale, pursued post graduate
> eduation
> following that graduation. Was elected governor of Texas and President of the
> Unitted Steas. What have you done that compares with that?

Worked hard, based on nothing but my own ability and motivation.
Doctorate from an institution every bit as good, and better, than Yale,
especially in my field. Achieved more academically than Dubya by a mile.
What, of course, I lacked was a name famous enough to attract the
interest and sponsorship of a group of wealthy Texan oil men who were
looking for a puppet to put in power that would reward them with
favorable legislation. Seems to me that Dubya really didn't have to do
anything for that. How nice.
>
> >
> > >
> > People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really dumb
> > manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great deal of
> > harm.
> >
>
> I see. So we replace Thad Cochran with Robert Byrd as chair of one of the, if
> not
> the most powerful of senate committees. I guess you have to assume Byrd is
> more
> intelligent than Cochran to follow the party line...and that Cochran must be
> a
> racist, being from Mississippi and all, while Byrd surely cannot be a racist,
> as he
> is a democrat leader...because that's the party line. Heaven forbind you look
> at
> the record...follow that party line! Skits on saturday night live present
> Bush as
> stupid, so he must be stupid!

Good, well there's a nice collection of hoary old chestnuts to put into
someone's mouth with no justification. This is simply preposterous - did
I ever compare Byrd and Cochran? No, but in your world I have to judged
them, and done so by your worn cliche. Nothing about Democrats or
Republicans - but to you, that's what it has to be, because you can't
see any other explanation. How sad.
>
> Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how
> pathetic
> are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM*
> stupid!
> Now thgat's stupid!

Reagan wasn't a mental giant, but he had some smarts, certainly enough
to run a government that was far more familiar with consensus that the
current administration. Also, not as corrupt. Nor as absurd as trying to
quantify "accomplishments in life" as you do, and inferring that they
bestow the right to an opinion. How very Republican.

William Clark

Date: 11 Nov 2006 16:55:41
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"William A. T. Clark" wrote:

> In article <4555316B.BAA45327@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
> > > done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
> > > weeks to answer this one.
> >
> > Are you kidding or what. He graduated from Yale, pursued post graduate
> > eduation
> > following that graduation. Was elected governor of Texas and President of the
> > Unitted Steas. What have you done that compares with that?
>
> Worked hard, based on nothing but my own ability and motivation.
> Doctorate from an institution every bit as good, and better, than Yale,
> especially in my field. Achieved more academically than Dubya by a mile.
> What, of course, I lacked was a name famous enough to attract the
> interest and sponsorship of a group of wealthy Texan oil men who were
> looking for a puppet to put in power that would reward them with
> favorable legislation. Seems to me that Dubya really didn't have to do
> anything for that. How nice.

Really. So you have a prestigious Ph.D. From an institution more prestigious than
any Bush has a degree from (hopefully not the worn out, long out of date Oxbridge
group!). So what have you accomplshed then? ..as compared to Bush? Clinton was
hardly wealthy, and he was elected governor and president. Lots of rich guys try to
buy their way into major political positions, and it doesn't work. You want to
think that you don't need any ability to make it as big as Bush has in politics,
fine, but all that shows me is that you are ignorant.

Where is the EVIDENCE that the current administration is corrupt...looks to me like
we had phoney allegations against Delay..certainly no substance has emerged
yet...and I'm no fan of Delay. We have the lobbyist scandal, but if the politicians
in question did nothing but accept contributions from him, how is that corruption?
Are they supposed to investigate every lobbyist who makes campaign contributions?
Let's investigate what goes on in Philadelphia and Chicago while we are at it. How
about a detailed, full light investigation of The Rainbow Coalition? We goona see
it? No way! How about investigating Clinton's associations with Halliburton? Or
even say Biden's association with Halliburton? May as well; if we are going to look
at Cheny and Bush, we may as well look at them all!

Date: 11 Nov 2006 13:23:37
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4555FEA0.8044C37C@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
>
> > In article <4555316B.BAA45327@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
> > > > done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
> > > > weeks to answer this one.
> > >
> > > Are you kidding or what. He graduated from Yale, pursued post graduate
> > > eduation
> > > following that graduation. Was elected governor of Texas and President of
> > > the
> > > Unitted Steas. What have you done that compares with that?
> >
> > Worked hard, based on nothing but my own ability and motivation.
> > Doctorate from an institution every bit as good, and better, than Yale,
> > especially in my field. Achieved more academically than Dubya by a mile.
> > What, of course, I lacked was a name famous enough to attract the
> > interest and sponsorship of a group of wealthy Texan oil men who were
> > looking for a puppet to put in power that would reward them with
> > favorable legislation. Seems to me that Dubya really didn't have to do
> > anything for that. How nice.
>
> Really. So you have a prestigious Ph.D. From an institution more prestigious
> than
> any Bush has a degree from (hopefully not the worn out, long out of date
> Oxbridge
> group!). So what have you accomplshed then? ..as compared to Bush? Clinton
> was
> hardly wealthy, and he was elected governor and president. Lots of rich guys
> try to
> buy their way into major political positions, and it doesn't work. You want
> to
> think that you don't need any ability to make it as big as Bush has in
> politics,
> fine, but all that shows me is that you are ignorant.

You know, this is really getting tired, and it doesn't make you look
very good, either. Clinton made his mind up very early to make his life
in politics and public service. I chose differently, and I am glad that
I had choice. I don't believe that Dubya had any particular skills or
accomplishments for his career in politics. He certainly was not well
informed and inquisitive during his party boy days. You may feel
important and comfortable calling people you really know nothing about
"ignorant", but it probably says more about you than me.
>
> Where is the EVIDENCE that the current administration is corrupt...looks to
> me like
> we had phoney allegations against Delay..certainly no substance has emerged
> yet...and I'm no fan of Delay. We have the lobbyist scandal, but if the
> politicians
> in question did nothing but accept contributions from him, how is that
> corruption?
> Are they supposed to investigate every lobbyist who makes campaign
> contributions?
> Let's investigate what goes on in Philadelphia and Chicago while we are at
> it. How
> about a detailed, full light investigation of The Rainbow Coalition? We goona
> see
> it? No way! How about investigating Clinton's associations with Halliburton?
> Or
> even say Biden's association with Halliburton? May as well; if we are going
> to look
> at Cheny and Bush, we may as well look at them all!

Let's see - Delay (to be continued), Ney (convicted), Cunningham
(convicted), Foley (enough said), Giordano (convicted), Packwood
(resigned after scandal), Gingrich (lied to Congressional committee),
Burton (immorality) along with Armey, Canady, Peterson, Janlow,
Chenoweth, Watts, Mack, Schmitz, Thurmond, Sherwood, . . . gosh I'm
exhausted already. There's more, and we haven;t even followed the
Abramoff corruption chain. Bt you get the picture.

William Clark

Date: 11 Nov 2006 22:37:02
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

I don't get anything. A lot of accusations, not much reality. Cunningham, of
course! I don't call people like the President of the US stupid; you do, and I
wonder who you are to make such a call. You seemngly have little to show for your
life. How about Clinton having sexual relations with a page and lying about it, or
some Dem congressman who took some teenqage page on a trip and had sex with the kid
being hailed as a champion of gay rights by the left?

There is some corruption on all sides, but not as much as the those who beleive in
black helicopters would have us beleive.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 21:48:44
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45564EA4.77AAAE6B@att.net...
> or
> some Dem congressman who took some teenqage page on a trip and had sex
> with the kid
> being hailed as a champion of gay rights by the left?

Who?

Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:36:35
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <45564EA4.77AAAE6B@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> I don't get anything. A lot of accusations, not much reality. Cunningham, of
> course! I don't call people like the President of the US stupid; you do, and
> I
> wonder who you are to make such a call. You seemngly have little to show for
> your
> life. How about Clinton having sexual relations with a page and lying about
> it, or
> some Dem congressman who took some teenqage page on a trip and had sex with
> the kid
> being hailed as a champion of gay rights by the left?
>
> There is some corruption on all sides, but not as much as the those who
> beleive in
> black helicopters would have us beleive.

Oh, now we try to shoot the messenger. Well, you might not see it, but
the evidence of last Tuesday indicates that the US electorate clearly
does. I suggest that you go and talk to a few of them.

William Clark

Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:34:21
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> I don't get anything.

That's clear to everyone in this group.

> I don't call people like the President of the
> US stupid;

Probably because you cannot pronounce "nuclear" either; just like your
blow-hound, alcoholic President.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 11 Nov 2006 16:44:31
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <45564EA4.77AAAE6B@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> I don't get anything. A lot of accusations, not much reality. Cunningham, of
> course! I don't call people like the President of the US stupid; you do, and
> I
> wonder who you are to make such a call. You seemngly have little to show for
> your
> life. How about Clinton having sexual relations with a page and lying about
> it, or
> some Dem congressman who took some teenqage page on a trip and had sex with
> the kid
> being hailed as a champion of gay rights by the left?
>
> There is some corruption on all sides, but not as much as the those who
> beleive in
> black helicopters would have us beleive.

What you describe are perversions, not corruption.

Corruption is a pretty good word for what 'campaign contributions' have
turned into. In anything but politics, 'campaign contributions' would
be called 'bribery'.

That's corrupt! And it occurs on both sides. It is the worst part of
our political system, imo.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 15:52:44
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> Let's see - Delay (to be continued), Ney (convicted), Cunningham
> (convicted), Foley (enough said), Giordano (convicted), Packwood
> (resigned after scandal), Gingrich (lied to Congressional committee),
> Burton (immorality) along with Armey, Canady, Peterson, Janlow,
> Chenoweth, Watts, Mack, Schmitz, Thurmond, Sherwood, . . . gosh I'm
> exhausted already. There's more, and we haven;t even followed the
> Abramoff corruption chain. Bt you get the picture.

If most Americans had any common sense; they would refuse to pick either
party.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:37:41
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <nKq5h.20602$lY5.9176@bignews6.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > Let's see - Delay (to be continued), Ney (convicted), Cunningham
> > (convicted), Foley (enough said), Giordano (convicted), Packwood
> > (resigned after scandal), Gingrich (lied to Congressional committee),
> > Burton (immorality) along with Armey, Canady, Peterson, Janlow,
> > Chenoweth, Watts, Mack, Schmitz, Thurmond, Sherwood, . . . gosh I'm
> > exhausted already. There's more, and we haven;t even followed the
> > Abramoff corruption chain. Bt you get the picture.
>
> If most Americans had any common sense; they would refuse to pick either
> party.

I have no problem with that - it is the constant "everything Republican
good, everything Democrat bad" that really gets on my nerves.

William Clark

Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:49:35
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> I have no problem with that - it is the constant "everything
> Republican good, everything Democrat bad" that really gets on my
> nerves.

My theory is "every Republican bad, every Democrat bad, and I am moving to
the Caymans as soon as I hit $10M".

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 12 Nov 2006 00:16:06
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:55:41 +0000, Robert Hamilton wrote:

> Where is the EVIDENCE that the current administration is corrupt...

Is this a joke?

Date: 11 Nov 2006 11:34:13
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> Worked hard, based on nothing but my own ability and motivation.
> Doctorate from an institution every bit as good, and better, than
> Yale, especially in my field. Achieved more academically than Dubya
> by a mile. What, of course, I lacked was a name famous enough to
> attract the interest and sponsorship of a group of wealthy Texan oil
> men who were looking for a puppet to put in power that would reward
> them with favorable legislation. Seems to me that Dubya really didn't
> have to do anything for that. How nice.

Not to further shock you; but the Royal Family of USA is the Kennedy Clan;
which got their money by rum running from Canada during Prohibition; then
some serious insider trading when their mafia based political ties put the
original Irish Mafia member (Joseph P Scumbag) in the position of Emporer
of the SEC.

This country is about how much cash you can make illegally; and then how
many politicians you can buy with the cash.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

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From:
Subject:

Date: 11 Nov 2006 02:45:12
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4555316B.BAA45327@att.net >
Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net > wrote:
>
>
>
> "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
>
> > >
> > Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
> > done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
> > weeks to answer this one.
>
> Are you kidding or what. He graduated from Yale, pursued post graduate eduation
> following that graduation. Was elected governor of Texas and President of the
> Unitted Steas. What have you done that compares with that?
>
> >
> > >
> > People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really dumb
> > manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great deal of
> > harm.
> >
>
> I see. So we replace Thad Cochran with Robert Byrd as chair of one of the, if not
> the most powerful of senate committees. I guess you have to assume Byrd is more
> intelligent than Cochran to follow the party line...and that Cochran must be a
> racist, being from Mississippi and all, while Byrd surely cannot be a racist, as he
> is a democrat leader...because that's the party line. Heaven forbind you look at
> the record...follow that party line! Skits on saturday night live present Bush as
> stupid, so he must be stupid!
>
> Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how pathetic
> are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM* stupid!
> Now thgat's stupid!

Reagan was an actor. He acted in Hollywood and then he acted in DC. He
acted like he was napping in meetings while he was obviously wide awake.
He even acted like trickle down was going to work and many are still
waiting for that trickle to come trickling down.
As for dubya, you might want to look at:
http://bushwhackerusa.blogspot.com/
to see an archive of his verbal gaffes. Then again, maybe dubya is an
actor too who specializes in tripping over his sentences and knee-jerking
while still cleverly hiding the fact that he's an overlooked Rhodes
Scholar.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 16:40:52
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

tiggerspalewife wrote:

> In article <4555316B.BAA45327@att.net>
> Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
> > > done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
> > > weeks to answer this one.
> >
> > Are you kidding or what. He graduated from Yale, pursued post graduate eduation
> > following that graduation. Was elected governor of Texas and President of the
> > Unitted Steas. What have you done that compares with that?
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really dumb
> > > manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great deal of
> > > harm.
> > >
> >
> > I see. So we replace Thad Cochran with Robert Byrd as chair of one of the, if not
> > the most powerful of senate committees. I guess you have to assume Byrd is more
> > intelligent than Cochran to follow the party line...and that Cochran must be a
> > racist, being from Mississippi and all, while Byrd surely cannot be a racist, as he
> > is a democrat leader...because that's the party line. Heaven forbind you look at
> > the record...follow that party line! Skits on saturday night live present Bush as
> > stupid, so he must be stupid!
> >
> > Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but how pathetic
> > are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call *HIM* stupid!
> > Now thgat's stupid!
>
> Reagan was an actor. He acted in Hollywood and then he acted in DC. He
> acted like he was napping in meetings while he was obviously wide awake.
> He even acted like trickle down was going to work and many are still
> waiting for that trickle to come trickling down.
> As for dubya, you might want to look at:
> http://bushwhackerusa.blogspot.com/
> to see an archive of his verbal gaffes. Then again, maybe dubya is an
> actor too who specializes in tripping over his sentences and knee-jerking
> while still cleverly hiding the fact that he's an overlooked Rhodes
> Scholar.

I'll tell ya what. Record every statement you have ever made anywhere in your life and
lets look at how dumb you are. This strategy of following people around and making some
issue of "verbal gaffes" is idiocy. Imagine if someone had followed Kerry around, or
Biden..how about Clinton! Imagine some of the things they have said!

Date: 11 Nov 2006 13:08:59
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <4555FB29.C63E9602@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
wrote:

> tiggerspalewife wrote:
>
> > In article <4555316B.BAA45327@att.net>
> > Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > Fine, provide us with one shred of evidence in anything he has said or
> > > > done that speaks to a rounded, well-read, adult. I'll allow you several
> > > > weeks to answer this one.
> > >
> > > Are you kidding or what. He graduated from Yale, pursued post graduate
> > > eduation
> > > following that graduation. Was elected governor of Texas and President of
> > > the
> > > Unitted Steas. What have you done that compares with that?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really
> > > > dumb
> > > > manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great deal of
> > > > harm.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I see. So we replace Thad Cochran with Robert Byrd as chair of one of
> > > the, if not
> > > the most powerful of senate committees. I guess you have to assume Byrd
> > > is more
> > > intelligent than Cochran to follow the party line...and that Cochran must
> > > be a
> > > racist, being from Mississippi and all, while Byrd surely cannot be a
> > > racist, as he
> > > is a democrat leader...because that's the party line. Heaven forbind you
> > > look at
> > > the record...follow that party line! Skits on saturday night live present
> > > Bush as
> > > stupid, so he must be stupid!
> > >
> > > Just like Reagan was stupid; right? I was no fan of Reagan either, but
> > > how pathetic
> > > are your accomplishments in life compared to his? ...and *YOU* call
> > > *HIM* stupid!
> > > Now thgat's stupid!
> >
> > Reagan was an actor. He acted in Hollywood and then he acted in DC. He
> > acted like he was napping in meetings while he was obviously wide awake.
> > He even acted like trickle down was going to work and many are still
> > waiting for that trickle to come trickling down.
> > As for dubya, you might want to look at:
> > http://bushwhackerusa.blogspot.com/
> > to see an archive of his verbal gaffes. Then again, maybe dubya is an
> > actor too who specializes in tripping over his sentences and knee-jerking
> > while still cleverly hiding the fact that he's an overlooked Rhodes
> > Scholar.
>
> I'll tell ya what. Record every statement you have ever made anywhere in your
> life and
> lets look at how dumb you are. This strategy of following people around and
> making some
> issue of "verbal gaffes" is idiocy. Imagine if someone had followed Kerry
> around, or
> Biden..how about Clinton! Imagine some of the things they have said!

No, there is no public figure in history who is as incapable of
expressing himself in public as Dubya. Well, possibly Dan Quayle. The
press don;t follow these if he isn't a routine source of syntactical
lunacy.

William Clark

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Date: 10 Nov 2006 15:38:16
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really
> dumb manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great
> deal of harm.

Places like the Oval Office and the Senate?

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 10 Nov 2006 18:36:54
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <Qq55h.9857$TX.6366@bignews1.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > People who are smart only worry about it when people who are really
> > dumb manage to get placed in positions where they can cause a great
> > deal of harm.
>
> Places like the Oval Office and the Senate?

For starters, yes.

William Clark

Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:11:52
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <4rh7u4FrgtpbU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> > news:clark.31-3EB7E1.22070408112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > > In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > >> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> > >> >
> > >> > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> > >> > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> > >> >
> > >> > There, now you've seen it.
> > >>
> > >> Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
> > >> You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
> > >> it. That's what a Communist society does.
> > >>
> > >> Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
> > >>
> > >> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> > >> think you can get it done.
> > >> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> > >> 2007....don't forget.
> > >>
> > >> Tex
> > >
> > > See, Chris there's just no point. One the one hand he slams you for what
> > > he THINKS you believe, and when you tell him is isn't so, he slams you
> > > as a liar. You simply cannot win when dealing with bigots.
> > >
> > So just what did Tex say in that post that makes him a bigot?
>
> 'bigot' - obstinate and intolerant adherent of a creed or view (Oxford
> English Dictionary.
>
> Next question?

Was there a picture of George Allen next to the definition?

>
> William Clark

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Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:45:10
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> :
> : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> :> MnMikew <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> :> :
> :> : "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
> :> : news:0T3k0k7oI8e0N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> :> :> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> :> :>
> :> :> : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> :> :>
> :> :> We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> :> :> competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> :> :>
> :> : It's thinking like this why terrorists support Dems.
> :>
> :> It's posts like this that prove Republicans to be serially
> :> stupid and/or dishonest.
> :
> : And it's jackasses like you that prove Dems are whining little shits.
> : Quit lumping everyone together !
> :
> : Jesus you whine like fucking shool kid Chris.
>
> And you shriek like a little girl. So you have no room to talk.
>
> :> Let me ask you this, Mike, since you're so gung ho to line
> :> the pockets of defense contractors: how much money do we need
> :> to spend to be safe? $500 billion/year? $1 trillion? $10 trillion?
> :> How much is enough? And how does every other country do it so
> :> much more cheaply?
> :
> : No other country spends on Defense like we do for obvious reasons...but
> : you "detest" that "big business" is big....someday, you'll have a "big
> : business...wait, check that, you'll never make it that big because of
> : your defeatest attitude.
> :
> :> Does it not bother you at all, having your money ripped out
> :> of your wallet to pad the pockets of billionaires?
> :
> : Yes, Kennedy and Kerry should give me back all my taxes!
>
> Or maybe we should quit spending all our money on... nothing.

Sorry, Military is "something"....Social Experimentation is nothing.

Tex

Date: 10 Nov 2006 03:44:31
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
:
: > Or maybe we should quit spending all our money on... nothing.
:
: Sorry, Military is "something"....Social Experimentation is nothing.

Sorry, there's diminishing returns with defense spending just
as there is with anything. We get pennies of value for every
dollar we spend at our current rate. We could be putting that
money into schools, into roads and other infrastructure... into,
ya know, retiring the freakin' debt and getting out from under
the thumbs of the Chinese.

Ironic, isn't it, that we're squandering our national security
by spending so heavily on national defense?

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

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Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:04:29
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"R&B" wrote:

>
> Look, I'm all for scaled-down government. But if you think the Republicans
> were giving it to America, you're all wet. They have run up a debt like
> nobody's business.

Gee....ya think a couple of hurricanes and a war might have been a
factor. Your hero, Bubba, didn't face these situations, did he?

The entitlements that have been signed into law in the
> last five years are rivaled only by those during the LBJ years. The only
> difference is that most of them have been going to big oil and corporate
> America.

Medicare Part D. Seems that a pack of senior citizens are the direct
recipients of this entitlement. Name the others?

> Will the Dems be any more fiscally responsible? Nobody knows for sure. But
> if you base your predictions on history, you would not have predicted that a
> so-called "conservative" Republican Congress would have spent money like a
> bunch of drunken sailors, but that's exactly what this last crop of
> Republicans did.

Hurricanes and war is expensive.

So forget about trying to project what this next Congress
> will do. When it comes to predicting the future, you guys on the right have
> already played your hand, and you haven't been right yet.

It will be interesting to see how the leftists like you fare.

-Greg

Date: 10 Nov 2006 11:57:19
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

I have three words for you: Road to Nowhere.

Oh, by the way, that's exactly what we've been on since 2000.

Randy

"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1163109869.058072.283390@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>
>>
>> Look, I'm all for scaled-down government. But if you think the
>> Republicans
>> were giving it to America, you're all wet. They have run up a debt like
>> nobody's business.
>
> Gee....ya think a couple of hurricanes and a war might have been a
> factor. Your hero, Bubba, didn't face these situations, did he?
>
> The entitlements that have been signed into law in the
>> last five years are rivaled only by those during the LBJ years. The only
>> difference is that most of them have been going to big oil and corporate
>> America.
>
> Medicare Part D. Seems that a pack of senior citizens are the direct
> recipients of this entitlement. Name the others?
>
>> Will the Dems be any more fiscally responsible? Nobody knows for sure.
>> But
>> if you base your predictions on history, you would not have predicted
>> that a
>> so-called "conservative" Republican Congress would have spent money like
>> a
>> bunch of drunken sailors, but that's exactly what this last crop of
>> Republicans did.
>
> Hurricanes and war is expensive.
>
> So forget about trying to project what this next Congress
>> will do. When it comes to predicting the future, you guys on the right
>> have
>> already played your hand, and you haven't been right yet.
>
> It will be interesting to see how the leftists like you fare.
>
> -Greg
>

Date: 10 Nov 2006 12:03:05
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Jack Hollis wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:39:08 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org>
> wrote:
>
> >> > Well what's your specific solution to Iraq, bright guy?
> >>
> >> Not invading in the first place.
> >
> >He asked for a solution, not wishful thinking! Note to Carbon, you can't
> >change the past.
> >
> >--
> >bill-o
>
> Why change the past? I'm happy that Saddam, and his sons, are gone
> and I can't see any outcome that would make me think that the war was
> not worth it.

That's wrongthink. You are therefore: stupid, racist, elitist, fascist,
sexist, ........

Date: 10 Nov 2006 17:03:17
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On 10 Nov 2006 12:03:05 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:

>> Why change the past? I'm happy that Saddam, and his sons, are gone
>> and I can't see any outcome that would make me think that the war was
>> not worth it.
>
>That's wrongthink. You are therefore: stupid, racist, elitist, fascist,
>sexist, ........

You never know what would have happened if Saddam was allowed to stay
in power, but I'm happy he's gone. A majority of Iraqis are happy
he's gone as well.

You can play the what if game all you want.

What if the US didn't settle for partition of Korea in 1953?

What if the British, France and Soviets joined forces sooner and
confronted Hitler rather than appease him?

Date: 11 Nov 2006 03:44:33
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On 10-Nov-2006, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> You never know what would have happened if Saddam was allowed to stay
> in power, but I'm happy he's gone. A majority of Iraqis are happy
> he's gone as well.
>
> You can play the what if game all you want.
>
> What if the US didn't settle for partition of Korea in 1953?

Which brings me to the corollary: You can't see the future.

--
bill-o < -- Capt. Obvious

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 12:18:15
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:44:33 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org >
wrote:

>>
>> What if the US didn't settle for partition of Korea in 1953?
>
>Which brings me to the corollary: You can't see the future.

Or know what would have happened if you did something different in the
past.

However, I like to go by the old adage, better safe than sorry.
Removing Saddam from power was the safe thing to do.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 18:01:38
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 03:44:33 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org >
: wrote:
:
: >>
: >> What if the US didn't settle for partition of Korea in 1953?
: >
: >Which brings me to the corollary: You can't see the future.
:
: Or know what would have happened if you did something different in the
: past.
:
: However, I like to go by the old adage, better safe than sorry.
: Removing Saddam from power was the safe thing to do.

Honestly, your ability to assess the political realities of
the region makes your opinion worthless if you couldn't see
after 9/11 that Saddam needed to be brought back into the
fold the same way that Qaddafi was. Saddam was a total bastard,
but the alternative was a pan-regional war involving Iran,
Turkey, the Kurds, and Arab Sunnis and Shias, which was
entirely predictable once the regime in Baghdad was toppled.
By keeping Saddam in power, the U.S. would regain a CIA asset
and a secular power in the heart of the region, thwart Iranian
expansionism, give Iranian reformers political space to operate
(which ceased to exist once our military was next door in Iraq),
and open up another source of crude oil. (Yeah, I'm a foreign
policy realist, though not to the degree that Kissinger was.)

It's almost as if everything the Bush administration has done
with regard to our foreign policy was coldly calculated to
weaken us, but I guess that's just the power of profound
stupidity at work.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 11 Nov 2006 16:47:44
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:01:38 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>: However, I like to go by the old adage, better safe than sorry.
>: Removing Saddam from power was the safe thing to do.
>
>Honestly, your ability to assess the political realities of
>the region makes your opinion worthless if you couldn't see
>after 9/11 that Saddam needed to be brought back into the
>fold the same way that Qaddafi was.

Some people just can't be brought back into the fold.

Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:06:42
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:01:38 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
:
: >: However, I like to go by the old adage, better safe than sorry.
: >: Removing Saddam from power was the safe thing to do.
: >
: >Honestly, your ability to assess the political realities of
: >the region makes your opinion worthless if you couldn't see
: >after 9/11 that Saddam needed to be brought back into the
: >fold the same way that Qaddafi was.
:
: Some people just can't be brought back into the fold.

Saddam was begging to be brought back. He'd have done whatever
we wanted, as long as he didn't have to be made to look weak
while doing it. Any show of weakness and he would have been
a dead man. Turns out he was, regardless.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 11 Nov 2006 20:07:27
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:06:42 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>: Some people just can't be brought back into the fold.
>
>Saddam was begging to be brought back.

Perhaps on his terms, but not on US terms. If he was so eager then he
would have fully complied with the UN weapons inspectors and not
provoked the war.

Date: 12 Nov 2006 01:45:50
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
: On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:06:42 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
:
: >: Some people just can't be brought back into the fold.
: >
: >Saddam was begging to be brought back.
:
: Perhaps on his terms, but not on US terms. If he was so eager then he
: would have fully complied with the UN weapons inspectors

Which he did. Opportunity squandered, catastrophe induced. Woot.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 21:19:49
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 01:45:50 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>: Perhaps on his terms, but not on US terms. If he was so eager then he
>: would have fully complied with the UN weapons inspectors
>
>Which he did. Opportunity squandered, catastrophe induced. Woot.

No he didn't.

This a quote directly from Hans Blix's report to the UN Security
Council in March 2003.

"The initiatives now taken by the Iraqi side, three to four months
into resolution 1441, could not be said to constitute immediate
cooperation."

Bush, quite rightly, got sick of Saddam's games.

Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:36:50
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

R&B wrote:
> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote
> >
> > But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> > think you can get it done.
> > Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> > 2007....don't forget.
>
>
> Now wait a minute, Tex.
>
> You "boys" on the right have been blaming Bill Clinton for everything you
> thought was wrong,

You can't stop talking about him, can you?

Tex

Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:13:58
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> MnMikew <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
> : news:0T3k0k7oI8e0N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> :> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> :>
> :> We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> :> competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> :>
> : It's thinking like this why terrorists support Dems.
>
> It's posts like this that prove Republicans to be serially
> stupid and/or dishonest.

And it's jackasses like you that prove Dems are whining little shits.
Quit lumping everyone together !

Jesus you whine like fucking shool kid Chris.

> Let me ask you this, Mike, since you're so gung ho to line
> the pockets of defense contractors: how much money do we need
> to spend to be safe? $500 billion/year? $1 trillion? $10 trillion?
> How much is enough? And how does every other country do it so
> much more cheaply?

No other country spends on Defense like we do for obvious reasons...but
you "detest" that "big business" is big....someday, you'll have a "big
business...wait, check that, you'll never make it that big because of
your defeatest attitude.

> Does it not bother you at all, having your money ripped out
> of your wallet to pad the pockets of billionaires?

Yes, Kennedy and Kerry should give me back all my taxes!

Tex

Date: 09 Nov 2006 21:40:38
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > MnMikew <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
: > :
: > : "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
: > : news:0T3k0k7oI8e0N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
: > :> Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
: > :>
: > :> : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
: > :>
: > :> We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
: > :> competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
: > :>
: > : It's thinking like this why terrorists support Dems.
: >
: > It's posts like this that prove Republicans to be serially
: > stupid and/or dishonest.
:
: And it's jackasses like you that prove Dems are whining little shits.
: Quit lumping everyone together !
:
: Jesus you whine like fucking shool kid Chris.

And you shriek like a little girl. So you have no room to talk.

: > Let me ask you this, Mike, since you're so gung ho to line
: > the pockets of defense contractors: how much money do we need
: > to spend to be safe? $500 billion/year? $1 trillion? $10 trillion?
: > How much is enough? And how does every other country do it so
: > much more cheaply?
:
: No other country spends on Defense like we do for obvious reasons...but
: you "detest" that "big business" is big....someday, you'll have a "big
: business...wait, check that, you'll never make it that big because of
: your defeatest attitude.
:
: > Does it not bother you at all, having your money ripped out
: > of your wallet to pad the pockets of billionaires?
:
: Yes, Kennedy and Kerry should give me back all my taxes!

Or maybe we should quit spending all our money on... nothing.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:10:35
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> > >
> > > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> > > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> > >
> > > There, now you've seen it.
> >
> > Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
> > You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
> > it. That's what a Communist society does.
> >
> > Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
> > it.
> >
> > Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
> >
> > But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> > think you can get it done.
> > Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> > 2007....don't forget.
> >
> > Tex
>
> Oh, yes, but don't we get to blame the current administration for at
> least the next six years? That's what you guys have been doing so
> vehemently with the Clinton years. Fair's fair, after all.

You can't stop talking about him, can you?

Tex

Date: 09 Nov 2006 19:52:22
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

In article <1163106635.793090.326200@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > > > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> > > >
> > > > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> > > > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> > > >
> > > > There, now you've seen it.
> > >
> > > Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
> > > You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
> > > it. That's what a Communist society does.
> > >
> > > Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
> > >
> > > But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> > > think you can get it done.
> > > Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> > > 2007....don't forget.
> > >
> > > Tex
> >
> > Oh, yes, but don't we get to blame the current administration for at
> > least the next six years? That's what you guys have been doing so
> > vehemently with the Clinton years. Fair's fair, after all.
>
> You can't stop talking about him, can you?
>
> Tex

Well, in the absence of a real President, you know, one with an IQ, what
else is there to do but fondly reminisce?

William Clark

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:05:17
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Chris Bellomy wrote:
>
> Let me ask you this, Mike, since you're so gung ho to line
> the pockets of defense contractors: how much money do we need
> to spend to be safe? $500 billion/year? $1 trillion? $10 trillion?
> How much is enough? And how does every other country do it so
> much more cheaply?

Other countries rely on the US. I am personally in favor of this not
happening...and having taxes cut as a result, and perhaps have
government services more oriented towards people who work for a living!

Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:02:55
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <4rh7u4FrgtpbU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> > news:clark.31-3EB7E1.22070408112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > > In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > >> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> > >> >
> > >> > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> > >> > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> > >> >
> > >> > There, now you've seen it.
> > >>
> > >> Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
> > >> You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
> > >> it. That's what a Communist society does.
> > >>
> > >> Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
> > >>
> > >> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> > >> think you can get it done.
> > >> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> > >> 2007....don't forget.
> > >>
> > >> Tex
> > >
> > > See, Chris there's just no point. One the one hand he slams you for what
> > > he THINKS you believe, and when you tell him is isn't so, he slams you
> > > as a liar. You simply cannot win when dealing with bigots.
> > >
> > So just what did Tex say in that post that makes him a bigot?
>
> 'bigot' - obstinate and intolerant adherent of a creed or view (Oxford
> English Dictionary.
>
> Next question?
>

So Mark is qualified to be a socialist...what does that mean?

Date: 09 Nov 2006 12:21:20
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:07:16 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Learned their lesson? HA! They cant wait to get to all that pork. Sure the
> >Repubs spent like Dems. But they also had a war and several hurricanes to
> >deal with.
>
> One of the hurricanes was more expensive than usual - but the money
> spent wasn't spent competently.
>
> The president ran on the platform that he was better prepared to deal
> with disaster, and his new department was in charge of the hurricane
> disasters - and screwed up.

Yup. It all went so well in NO before the feds went in...and now that
they are more or less out, things go so well again! Nagin spend the
FEMA money rebuilding the Superdome! Some voodoo spell will make all
the flooded out homes disappear, no doubt!

Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:19:35
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:45:56 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It's thinking like this why terrorists support Dems.
>
> I thought it was Big Business that gave the big money to Democrats
> (and Republicans). So you believe terrorists are contributing?
>
> Terrorists don't care who rules the U.S. - except if they can get the
> response they want. Islamic terrorists are working for local causes
> - such as the overthrow of secular governments (and of rival Islamic
> governments), to be replaced by their brand of Islam. One tool is
> to convince their peers that the U.S. and Israel are running their
> governments. So they are happy when they can point to the U.S.
> attacking Muslims.

Radical Islamists think Jews carried out the 9/11 attacks and that they
warned all the Jews who worked at the World Trade Center not to go to
work that day. And some people think these pyschos follow American
politics and side with one party over another?

Date: 10 Nov 2006 09:03:36
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

"R&B" wrote:
> I have three words for you: Road to Nowhere.
>
> Oh, by the way, that's exactly what we've been on since 2000.
>
> Randy

Fine. Now we'll see where your road leads to.

-Greg

Date: 10 Nov 2006 06:12:01
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

bill-o wrote:
> On 9-Nov-2006, Carbon <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well what's your specific solution to Iraq, bright guy?
> >
> > Not invading in the first place.
>
> He asked for a solution, not wishful thinking! Note to Carbon, you can't
> change the past.

My solution is to get the fuck out.

The Repugs say, "We can't leave now, it would be chaos."
Well, it's already chaos so that argument rings hollow.

What they really mean is "We can't leave now, we'll lose control of the
oil reserves, and all our defense contractors like Halliburton will
lose their billions of taxpayer money.

It's ironic that we say we can't leave until Iraq has a new government
in place. Then when the new Iraqi government tells us to leave, we
say, "Not so fast, we're still in charge here."

Date: 10 Nov 2006 06:05:57
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

Tex wrote:
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> > : Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > :
> > :> Or maybe we should quit spending all our money on... nothing.
> > :
> > : Sorry, Military is "something"....Social Experimentation is nothing.
> >
> > Sorry, there's diminishing returns with defense spending just
> > as there is with anything. We get pennies of value for every
> > dollar we spend at our current rate. We could be putting that
> > money into schools, into roads and other infrastructure... into,
> > ya know, retiring the freakin' debt and getting out from under
> > the thumbs of the Chinese.
>
> Not the job of the Federal Government to fund schools.

But it IS the job of the fed. govt. to give people vouchers so they can
send their kids to provate schools, right?

> Road yes, Interstate highways only.

If the fed. govt. stopped funding sub-Interstate road projects, you
would howl and scream about how bad the roads are.

> Infrastructure, yes, unless it's a State's right.
>
> > Ironic, isn't it, that we're squandering our national security
> > by spending so heavily on national defense?
>
> How about a wealth tax? Anyone with over $10M in wealth, one time 50%
> hit.
> They can afford it, right?
> Think George Soros would like that? Being the good Communist, he's
> appreciate it.
>
> That would go a long way to fixing the debt....
>
> Tex

Date: 10 Nov 2006 14:56:56
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat

John B. wrote:
> Tex wrote:
>> Not the job of the Federal Government to fund schools.
>
> But it IS the job of the fed. govt. to give people vouchers so they
> can send their kids to provate schools, right?

Nope. They should do neither.

>> Road yes, Interstate highways only.
>
> If the fed. govt. stopped funding sub-Interstate road projects, you
> would howl and scream about how bad the roads are.

Any road that a US Post Office vehicle goes on should be maintained by the
Fed. It clearly says so in the US Constitution Article 1 Section 8.

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