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Date: 28 Oct 2006 06:17:45
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

It seems President Bush is visiting my old high school today to pump up
the election prospects of Mike Sodrel. So, at least for today, Dan
Quayle is not the least intelligent Republican in the state of Indiana.
Since GW is speaking at my old high school and will be landing at the
airport next to the golf course where I play most frequently (due to
price/location), I need help determining what would be appropriate to
celebrate the event.

Should I:
(1) take a nap.
(2) Moon GW from the 18th fairway of Hidden Creek GC
(3) Try to score with the Bush girls

After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
moment.....any other suggestions?

Date: 28 Oct 2006 09:41:10
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> It seems President Bush is visiting my old high school today to pump up
> the election prospects of Mike Sodrel. So, at least for today, Dan
> Quayle is not the least intelligent Republican in the state of Indiana.
> Since GW is speaking at my old high school and will be landing at the
> airport next to the golf course where I play most frequently (due to
> price/location), I need help determining what would be appropriate to
> celebrate the event.
>
> Should I:
> (1) take a nap.
> (2) Moon GW from the 18th fairway of Hidden Creek GC
> (3) Try to score with the Bush girls
>
>
> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> moment.....any other suggestions?

I chose (1), because of the four hours of sleep...and GW decided to get
me back for this post by flying over my house and waking me up!

Despite the fact that I think Bush is an idiot, if my daughters were
old enough (older than 5 and 1), I would still take them to see them.
Even with his many (MANY) flaws, he's still the president of our
country.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:53:35
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162053670.875182.312910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >
"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:

I'm really surprised you're not at the PSU game cheering on your team?

Date: 28 Oct 2006 09:34:00
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Fairway wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > It seems President Bush is visiting my old high school today to pump up
> > the election prospects of Mike Sodrel. So, at least for today, Dan
> > Quayle is not the least intelligent Republican in the state of Indiana.
> > Since GW is speaking at my old high school and will be landing at the
> > airport next to the golf course where I play most frequently (due to
> > price/location), I need help determining what would be appropriate to
> > celebrate the event.
> >
> > Should I:
> > (1) take a nap.
> > (2) Moon GW from the 18th fairway of Hidden Creek GC
> > (3) Try to score with the Bush girls
> >
> >
> > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > moment.....any other suggestions?
> Just shut up fucktard and go and listen to the great man speak. F

Thanks for the intelligent response. If you think that man is great,
then you are clueless.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:04:47
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162041464.832547.137340@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com >
"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:

Naps are never bad.
Mooning is the one thing bush MIGHT understand
Scoring with the daughters, from the sounds of things, would be the
easiest. Take along some Ripple and I think they're all yours for the
night.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 07:39:40
From: John B.
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Fairway wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > It seems President Bush is visiting my old high school today to pump up
> > the election prospects of Mike Sodrel. So, at least for today, Dan
> > Quayle is not the least intelligent Republican in the state of Indiana.
> > Since GW is speaking at my old high school and will be landing at the
> > airport next to the golf course where I play most frequently (due to
> > price/location), I need help determining what would be appropriate to
> > celebrate the event.
> >
> > Should I:
> > (1) take a nap.
> > (2) Moon GW from the 18th fairway of Hidden Creek GC
> > (3) Try to score with the Bush girls
> >
> >
> > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > moment.....any other suggestions?

> Just shut up fucktard and go and listen to the great man speak. F

How often do the dors let you out of your room to go play on the
Internet? Is it part of your treatment?

Date: 28 Oct 2006 06:42:14
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> It seems President Bush is visiting my old high school today to pump up
> the election prospects of Mike Sodrel. So, at least for today, Dan
> Quayle is not the least intelligent Republican in the state of Indiana.
> Since GW is speaking at my old high school and will be landing at the
> airport next to the golf course where I play most frequently (due to
> price/location), I need help determining what would be appropriate to
> celebrate the event.
>
> Should I:
> (1) take a nap.
> (2) Moon GW from the 18th fairway of Hidden Creek GC
> (3) Try to score with the Bush girls
>
>
> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> moment.....any other suggestions?
Just shut up fucktard and go and listen to the great man speak. F

Date: 28 Oct 2006 14:59:43
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162042934.485850.92700@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

Just shut up fucktard and go and listen to the great man speak. F

There's that typical high morals, family values response we have gotten
to know from the typical repug bush bot. They just pull that big plastic
ring on their backs, out pops the string, and Chatty Bushturds come out
with the sentence for the day.

Date: 28 Oct 2006 22:16:52
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> Despite the fact that I think Bush is an idiot, if my daughters were
> old enough (older than 5 and 1), I would still take them to see them.
> Even with his many (MANY) flaws, he's still the president of our
> country.

I saw Richard Nixon in downtown Cincinnati before the 1970 MLB All-Star
game.
He was pretty popular there at that time. Not "Pete Rose popular" but
popular nonetheless.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 06:05:40
From: Peter Strauss
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On 28 2006 22:16:52 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:

> I saw Richard Nixon in downtown Cincinnati before the 1970 MLB All-Star
> game.

Saw a bumper sticker today that read:

Never Thought I'd Miss Nixon

Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:35:33
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Peter Strauss <pfs126@earthlink.net > wrote:
: On 28 2006 22:16:52 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
: wrote:
:
: > I saw Richard Nixon in downtown Cincinnati before the 1970 MLB All-Star
: > game.
:
: Saw a bumper sticker today that read:
:
: Never Thought I'd Miss Nixon

Motherfucker never left, Peter.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 28 Oct 2006 22:14:22
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> It seems President Bush is visiting my old high school today to pump up
> the election prospects of Mike Sodrel.

Is Sodrel a Democrat?

>I need help determining what would be appropriate to celebrate the event.

Do you own a rifle?

Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:37:01
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:

: Do you own a rifle?

If you like, I can have my friend who has been visited by the
Secret Service for Usenet comments give you a primer on what
to expect this week.

Of course, you'll probably get a kick out of it. Freak.

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 28 Oct 2006 22:10:27
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Date: 28 Oct 2006 17:56:30
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Larry Bud wrote:
> > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > moment.....any other suggestions?
>
> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> Master's from there, do you?

Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
high.

Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?

Date: 30 Oct 2006 14:42:36
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1162083390.622604.7820@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Larry Bud wrote:
>> > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
>> > moment.....any other suggestions?
>>
>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
>> Master's from there, do you?
>
> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> high.
>
> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
>
You can have lots of degrees and still be a dumbfuck. Like these fine
examples.
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

Date: 28 Oct 2006 13:49:29
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> moment.....any other suggestions?

Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
Master's from there, do you?

Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:02:58
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162068569.832265.279040@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote:

> > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > moment.....any other suggestions?
>
> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> Master's from there, do you?

Yes, well he probably doesn't have a Pappy and Grandpa that can get him
legacy access to the Ivy League ahead of students that only have
intelligence to offer.

William Clark

Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:08:22
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Sun, 29 2006 14:02:58 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>Yes, well he probably doesn't have a Pappy and Grandpa that can get him
>legacy access to the Ivy League ahead of students that only have
>intelligence to offer.
>
>William Clark

Being a legacy can get you into an Ivy league school, but after that
you have to do the work. Ted Kennedy's family connections couldn't
stop Harvard from expelling him when he was caught cheating.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:45:03
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <jrcak25h9pvdnr8fogqsi7tcalja3hhbss@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Sun, 29 2006 14:02:58 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Yes, well he probably doesn't have a Pappy and Grandpa that can get him
> >legacy access to the Ivy League ahead of students that only have
> >intelligence to offer.
> >
> >William Clark
>
> Being a legacy can get you into an Ivy league school, but after that
> you have to do the work. Ted Kennedy's family connections couldn't
> stop Harvard from expelling him when he was caught cheating.

It should also be noted (and you can verify this from their web page)
that the Harvard Business School has no prescribed admission standards.

William Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:32:11
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Sun, 29 2006 21:45:03 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>It should also be noted (and you can verify this from their web page)
>that the Harvard Business School has no prescribed admission standards.
>
>William Clark

I don't know how many applicants they have compared to how many are
admitted, but I assume it's competitive on some level. I also
wouldn't doubt that GWB could get in with his baccalaureate from Yale
and the good word of his father. That's the same way most of the
Kennedy's and Al Gore got into Harvard.

But you have to do the work when you get there. You know what
graduate school is all about. Do you think that the Harvard B School
faculty just gave GWB his degree for nothing?

Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:34:45
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Jack Hollis wrote:
> Do you think that the Harvard B School
> faculty just gave GWB his degree for nothing?

His pull with Skull and Crossbones might have helped. You have to
acknowledge that S&C and Free Masons have some serious pull in government
and academia.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 30 Oct 2006 06:49:58
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <vv2bk2lnecdm2147m8qinducbpair6r6h6@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Sun, 29 2006 21:45:03 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >It should also be noted (and you can verify this from their web page)
> >that the Harvard Business School has no prescribed admission standards.
> >
> >William Clark
>
>
> I don't know how many applicants they have compared to how many are
> admitted, but I assume it's competitive on some level. I also
> wouldn't doubt that GWB could get in with his baccalaureate from Yale
> and the good word of his father. That's the same way most of the
> Kennedy's and Al Gore got into Harvard.
>
> But you have to do the work when you get there. You know what
> graduate school is all about. Do you think that the Harvard B School
> faculty just gave GWB his degree for nothing?

Well, it is not as demanding as you might think. Nothing compared to,
say, a PhD in physics at Harvard.

WIlliam Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 21:28:46
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Mon, 30 2006 06:49:58 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>Well, it is not as demanding as you might think. Nothing compared to,
>say, a PhD in physics at Harvard.
>
>WIlliam Clark

Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 21:47:19
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <u4ddk2dv0195d6k31tfr0rc8fd39a7eggo@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Mon, 30 2006 06:49:58 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Well, it is not as demanding as you might think. Nothing compared to,
> >say, a PhD in physics at Harvard.
> >
> >WIlliam Clark
>
> Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.

Thank you.

William Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 21:54:38
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <u4ddk2dv0195d6k31tfr0rc8fd39a7eggo@4ax.com>,
> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 2006 06:49:58 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
>> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it is not as demanding as you might think. Nothing compared
>>> to, say, a PhD in physics at Harvard.
>>>
>>> WIlliam Clark
>>
>> Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
>
> Thank you.

Academic credentials do not make you any less of a gun grabbing, left wing
loon, horses ass coward who thinks someone else should die for your
freedom.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 31 Oct 2006 06:45:32
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <yVy1h.9240$N4.1352@bignews5.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <u4ddk2dv0195d6k31tfr0rc8fd39a7eggo@4ax.com>,
> > Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 2006 06:49:58 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> >> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, it is not as demanding as you might think. Nothing compared
> >>> to, say, a PhD in physics at Harvard.
> >>>
> >>> WIlliam Clark
> >>
> >> Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
> >
> > Thank you.
>
> Academic credentials do not make you any less of a gun grabbing, left wing
> loon, horses ass coward who thinks someone else should die for your
> freedom.

For the second time, it's 'horse's'. Please try harder in future.

William Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 21:30:22
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Jack Hollis wrote:
> On Mon, 30 2006 06:49:58 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Well, it is not as demanding as you might think. Nothing compared to,
>> say, a PhD in physics at Harvard.
>>
>> WIlliam Clark
>
> Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.

IAWTP.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:11:31
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Fairway wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > Mine was in materials science at an institution where this disipline is
> > completely separate from engineering. We could talk about crystal
> > structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and other topic in physics
> > until we are blue in the face if you like - it would be more accurate
> > than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers' carrying a wrench and an oily rag.
>
> Oh, so you "talked about" wave functions and Fourier analysis, eh? The
> first week or so, I guess, since these are the fundamentals. It=B4s
> somewhat like learning the square stance in golf. You are just a
> fucking engineer, admit it. A narrowminded nerd with an uncanny ability
> to repeat boring routines day after day. No wonder you hate the
> brilliant men of action, like George Bush and Maestro Rumsfeld. F

Wow, did some experiment suck your brain into a wormhole?

That might be the funniest thing I've heard today. No, wait, it was
Bush trying to sound intelligent on the Rush show that was the funniest
thing I heard today.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 22:30:21
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162426290.897669.187600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:

> Fairway wrote:
> > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > Mine was in materials science at an institution where this disipline is
> > > completely separate from engineering. We could talk about crystal
> > > structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and other topic in physics
> > > until we are blue in the face if you like - it would be more accurate
> > > than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers' carrying a wrench and an oily rag.
> >
> > Oh, so you "talked about" wave functions and Fourier analysis, eh? The
> > first week or so, I guess, since these are the fundamentals. It�s
> > somewhat like learning the square stance in golf. You are just a
> > fucking engineer, admit it. A narrowminded nerd with an uncanny ability
> > to repeat boring routines day after day. No wonder you hate the
> > brilliant men of action, like George Bush and Maestro Rumsfeld. F
>
> Wow, did some experiment suck your brain into a wormhole?
>
> That might be the funniest thing I've heard today. No, wait, it was
> Bush trying to sound intelligent on the Rush show that was the funniest
> thing I heard today.

Yes, he's a trip, isn't he?

William Clark

Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:10:43
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> Mine was in materials science at an institution where this disipline is
> completely separate from engineering. We could talk about crystal
> structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and other topic in physics
> until we are blue in the face if you like - it would be more accurate
> than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers' carrying a wrench and an oily rag.

Oh, so you "talked about" wave functions and Fourier analysis, eh? The
first week or so, I guess, since these are the fundamentals. It=B4s
somewhat like learning the square stance in golf. You are just a
fucking engineer, admit it. A narrowminded nerd with an uncanny ability
to repeat boring routines day after day. No wonder you hate the
brilliant men of action, like George Bush and Maestro Rumsfeld. F

Date: 01 Nov 2006 22:29:52
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162419042.924875.153760@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > Mine was in materials science at an institution where this disipline is
> > completely separate from engineering. We could talk about crystal
> > structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and other topic in physics
> > until we are blue in the face if you like - it would be more accurate
> > than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers' carrying a wrench and an oily rag.
>
> Oh, so you "talked about" wave functions and Fourier analysis, eh? The
> first week or so, I guess, since these are the fundamentals. It�s
> somewhat like learning the square stance in golf. You are just a
> fucking engineer, admit it. A narrowminded nerd with an uncanny ability
> to repeat boring routines day after day. No wonder you hate the
> brilliant men of action, like George Bush and Maestro Rumsfeld. F

Well, at least I'm not an ignorant name caller, like you. No, I
understand and work with the interactions of electrons with matter every
day, and so use Schrodinger's equation, Fourier analysis (and
transforms), point and space groups on a routine basis. When you can
image materials at a resolutions less than their interatomic spacing, be
able to model the structures and interpret the images, let me know.
Until then, please take your feeble attempts to appear superior
somewhere else.

William Clark

Date: 02 Nov 2006 22:00:36
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <1162419042.924875.153760@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>>> Mine was in materials science at an institution where this
>>> disipline is completely separate from engineering. We could talk
>>> about crystal structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and
>>> other topic in physics until we are blue in the face if you like -
>>> it would be more accurate than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers'
>>> carrying a wrench and an oily rag.
>>
>> Oh, so you "talked about" wave functions and Fourier analysis, eh?
>> The first week or so, I guess, since these are the fundamentals. It�s
>> somewhat like learning the square stance in golf. You are just a
>> fucking engineer, admit it. A narrowminded nerd with an uncanny
>> ability to repeat boring routines day after day. No wonder you hate
>> the brilliant men of action, like George Bush and Maestro Rumsfeld. F
>
> Well, at least I'm not an ignorant name caller, like you. No, I
> understand and work with the interactions of electrons with matter
> every day, and so use Schrodinger's equation, Fourier analysis (and
> transforms), point and space groups on a routine basis. When you can
> image materials at a resolutions less than their interatomic spacing,
> be able to model the structures and interpret the images, let me know.
> Until then, please take your feeble attempts to appear superior
> somewhere else.

Everyone specializes in something, brainstorm. You might be surprised
that some of the folks you think you are superior to have done more for this
country and been paid quite a bit more than you have for spewing your
idiotic gun grabbing ideas to students.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 03 Nov 2006 06:50:21
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <lhy2h.12022$N4.10782@bignews5.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <1162419042.924875.153760@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> >>> Mine was in materials science at an institution where this
> >>> disipline is completely separate from engineering. We could talk
> >>> about crystal structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and
> >>> other topic in physics until we are blue in the face if you like -
> >>> it would be more accurate than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers'
> >>> carrying a wrench and an oily rag.
> >>
> >> Oh, so you "talked about" wave functions and Fourier analysis, eh?
> >> The first week or so, I guess, since these are the fundamentals. It�s
> >> somewhat like learning the square stance in golf. You are just a
> >> fucking engineer, admit it. A narrowminded nerd with an uncanny
> >> ability to repeat boring routines day after day. No wonder you hate
> >> the brilliant men of action, like George Bush and Maestro Rumsfeld. F
> >
> > Well, at least I'm not an ignorant name caller, like you. No, I
> > understand and work with the interactions of electrons with matter
> > every day, and so use Schrodinger's equation, Fourier analysis (and
> > transforms), point and space groups on a routine basis. When you can
> > image materials at a resolutions less than their interatomic spacing,
> > be able to model the structures and interpret the images, let me know.
> > Until then, please take your feeble attempts to appear superior
> > somewhere else.
>
>
> Everyone specializes in something, brainstorm. You might be surprised
> that some of the folks you think you are superior to have done more for this
> country and been paid quite a bit more than you have for spewing your
> idiotic gun grabbing ideas to students.

Right. Whatever.

Yaaaawn.

William Clark

Date: 28 Oct 2006 11:13:32
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

tiggerspalewife wrote:
> In article <1162053670.875182.312910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I'm really surprised you're not at the PSU game cheering on your team?

Well, I'm not as BIG of a fan as I used to be. Two young daughters does
that to you.

(not to mention that this year, and last, haven't been good years for
Purdue football)

Date: 29 Oct 2006 00:28:58
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162059212.228008.289700@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >
"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:

Understood. It's better that you weren't there. It was one of those
"defensive struggles."

Date: 29 Oct 2006 09:27:58
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Bert Robbins wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > Fairway wrote:
> >> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> >>> Larry Bud wrote:
> >>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> >>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
> >>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> >>>> Master's from there, do you?
> >>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> >>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> >>> high.
> >>>
> >>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
> >> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
> >> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
> >
> > If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
> > stupid one.
> >
>
> He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
> greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
> to the governorship of Texas.
>
> What have you done?

Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?

What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
will take decades to recover.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:58:05
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> Bert Robbins wrote:
>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>> Fairway wrote:
>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>>>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
>>>>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
>>>>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
>>>>>> Master's from there, do you?
>>>>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
>>>>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
>>>>> high.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
>>>> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
>>>> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
>>> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
>>> stupid one.
>>>
>> He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
>> greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
>> to the governorship of Texas.
>>
>> What have you done?
>
> Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?

I didn't say great, I said accomplished more.

> What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
> will take decades to recover.

Typical Democratic response, speaking in the negative.

We still need to start the recovery from Johnson's tenure.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 08:48:54
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

How are you with a rifle?

Date: 29 Oct 2006 05:13:57
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Larry Bud wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > Larry Bud wrote:
> > > > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > > > moment.....any other suggestions?
> > >
> > > Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > > Master's from there, do you?
> >
> > Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not.
>
> Translation: "No, I'm not close to having an MBA from Harvard Business
> School"

No. It means that I'm not impressed by someone having an MBA from
Harvard Business School. In the business world, you see how
intelligent a person really is, not what degree they earned. A person
in my department had a Masters degree from MIT, what seemed like an
impressive achievement, but was the least productive person in that
department and made the worst decisions (just like our current
president).

> > Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
>
> Where did I say anybody was a genius? But the fact of the matter is
> that anybody that graduates with a Masters from an Ivy league school is
> no idiot. I realize your blind hate for the man obscures any clear
> thinking skills, which is why I posed the question to you in the first
> place.

I don't have blind hate for the man. I voted for him the first time. I
regretted it within months. It is obvious to anyone who is paying
attention that he has made this country worse and we'll be cleaning up
his mess for decades to come.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 05:07:26
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Fairway wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > Larry Bud wrote:
> > > > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > > > moment.....any other suggestions?
> > >
> > > Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > > Master's from there, do you?
> >
> > Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> > actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> > high.
> >
> > Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F

If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
stupid one.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 09:39:51
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> Fairway wrote:
>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
>>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
>>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
>>>> Master's from there, do you?
>>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
>>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
>>> high.
>>>
>>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
>> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
>> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
>
> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
> stupid one.
>

He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
to the governorship of Texas.

What have you done?

Date: 29 Oct 2006 05:07:14
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Date: 29 Oct 2006 05:07:06
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Date: 29 Oct 2006 04:38:33
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

annika1980 wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > It seems President Bush is visiting my old high school today to pump up
> > the election prospects of Mike Sodrel.
>
> Is Sodrel a Democrat?
>
>
>
> >I need help determining what would be appropriate to celebrate the event.
>
> Do you own a rifle?

Is that a threat on the President I'm hearing?

The next thing you might hear is a knock at the door from the FBI.
Might be well deserved. Maybe they can look at your penchant for
"kidding around" about young girls, too.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 04:36:48
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > > moment.....any other suggestions?
> >
> > Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > Master's from there, do you?
>
> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not.

Translation: "No, I'm not close to having an MBA from Harvard Business
School"

> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?

Where did I say anybody was a genius? But the fact of the matter is
that anybody that graduates with a Masters from an Ivy league school is
no idiot. I realize your blind hate for the man obscures any clear
thinking skills, which is why I posed the question to you in the first
place.

Now, if you claimed someone wasn't a great athelete even though they
played football at Harvard, you'd have something.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 16:58:03
From: John B.
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Bert Robbins wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > Bert Robbins wrote:
> >> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> >>> Fairway wrote:
> >>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> >>>>> Larry Bud wrote:
> >>>>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> >>>>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
> >>>>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> >>>>>> Master's from there, do you?
> >>>>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> >>>>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> >>>>> high.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
> >>>> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
> >>>> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
> >>> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
> >>> stupid one.
> >>>
> >> He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
> >> greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
> >> to the governorship of Texas.
> >>
> >> What have you done?
> >
> > Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?
>
> I didn't say great, I said accomplished more.
>
> > What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
> > will take decades to recover.
>
> Typical Democratic response, speaking in the negative.
>
> We still need to start the recovery from Johnson's tenure.

And what would that entail? Repealing the Civil Rights Act and the
Voting Rights Act? Abolishing Medicare and Medicaid?

Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:05:54
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

John B. wrote:
> Bert Robbins wrote:
>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>> Bert Robbins wrote:
>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>> Fairway wrote:
>>>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>>>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>>>>>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
>>>>>>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
>>>>>>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
>>>>>>>> Master's from there, do you?
>>>>>>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
>>>>>>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
>>>>>>> high.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
>>>>>> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
>>>>>> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
>>>>> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
>>>>> stupid one.
>>>>>
>>>> He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
>>>> greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
>>>> to the governorship of Texas.
>>>>
>>>> What have you done?
>>> Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?
>> I didn't say great, I said accomplished more.
>>
>>> What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
>>> will take decades to recover.
>> Typical Democratic response, speaking in the negative.
>>
>> We still need to start the recovery from Johnson's tenure.
>
>
> And what would that entail? Repealing the Civil Rights Act and the
> Voting Rights Act? Abolishing Medicare and Medicaid?
>

The Civil Rights Act getting passed was due to Republicns. The Voting
Rights Act was needed to prevent the Southern Democrats from controlling
the population.

Push all welfare down to the state level where it belongs.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 16:08:42
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
>> What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
> will take decades to recover.
What the hell is wrong with you, fucktard? America is booming like
never before, the economy is booming, American diplomacy is respected
everywhere, the military is fabulous, the nation has never been so
strong - true leaders of Western civilization. Yet there are suicidal
creeps like you and they are destroying America from within. You are a
traitor to you own people and should be hanged. F

Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:29:02
From: dubyablows
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162166922.804704.176980@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

Bait and not very good bait either.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 13:39:24
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

> > What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
> > will take decades to recover.
>
> Typical Democratic response, speaking in the negative.
>
> We still need to start the recovery from Johnson's tenure.

Typical assumption that anyone who criticizes Bush is a liberal. I
voted for Bush the first time. My mistake.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:23:51
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

> > > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > > moment.....any other suggestions?
> >
> > Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > Master's from there, do you?
>
> Yes, well he probably doesn't have a Pappy and Grandpa that can get him
> legacy access to the Ivy League ahead of students that only have
> intelligence to offer.
>
> William Clark

Unfortunately I worked full-time to put myself through college, which
took me seven years.

I don't know what Bush's GPA was at Harvard, but I have read that his
GPA was 2.3 out of 4.0 at Yale (for a history degree). Considering my
GPA was over a point higher in a degree with mostly Science and
Engineering classes, I doubt that I would fare worse than him at
Harvard.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:14:28
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On 29 2006 11:23:51 -0800, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com >
wrote:

> Considering my
>GPA was over a point higher in a degree with mostly Science and
>Engineering classes, I doubt that I would fare worse than him at
>Harvard.

Actually Bush was an undergraduate at Yale. And, no insult intended,
Yale is a step up from Perdue. BYW, Al Gore's, GPA at Harvard as an
undergraduate was 2.20. Interesting that Bush did better academically
than Gore and Kerry.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:43:56
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <l5dak2p3s1vdv7sk2u3k0r4vdtisjlvtrh@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On 29 2006 11:23:51 -0800, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Considering my
> >GPA was over a point higher in a degree with mostly Science and
> >Engineering classes, I doubt that I would fare worse than him at
> >Harvard.
>
>
> Actually Bush was an undergraduate at Yale. And, no insult intended,
> Yale is a step up from Perdue. BYW, Al Gore's, GPA at Harvard as an
> undergraduate was 2.20. Interesting that Bush did better academically
> than Gore and Kerry.

No insult intended, but Yale is not a step up from Purdue, especially in
the fields of engineering and related technologies. If you don't believe
me, go check the latest national rankings of undergraduate and graduate
programs.

The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public affairs
and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that his
father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
made up the deficit.

William Clark

PS: If academic credentials are so important then Rhodes Scholar Clinton
must rank at the very top of your estimation.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:21:33
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>No insult intended, but Yale is not a step up from Purdue, especially in
>the fields of engineering and related technologies. If you don't believe
>me, go check the latest national rankings of undergraduate and graduate
>programs.

No university is going to excel in every area. And I don't doubt that
other universities have better programs in some areas than Yale,
especially on the graduate level.

Nevertheless, overall, the undergraduate school at Yale attracts
better students and faculty than all but a select few US universities.
In addition, they have more money than all but a select few US
universities.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 06:52:21
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <rb2bk2h6qrausnnk18vnafg3o142d807to@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >No insult intended, but Yale is not a step up from Purdue, especially in
> >the fields of engineering and related technologies. If you don't believe
> >me, go check the latest national rankings of undergraduate and graduate
> >programs.
>
> No university is going to excel in every area. And I don't doubt that
> other universities have better programs in some areas than Yale,
> especially on the graduate level.
>
> Nevertheless, overall, the undergraduate school at Yale attracts
> better students and faculty than all but a select few US universities.
> In addition, they have more money than all but a select few US
> universities.

That is true, as it is for all Ivy League schools, but the strengths are
heavily concentrated in the arts and humanities, as opposed to science
and engineering.

Besides, Yale took Dubya in, with an SAT score 200 points below the Yale
average, and below that for almost all major land grant universities.

William Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 21:30:12
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Mon, 30 2006 06:52:21 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>Besides, Yale took Dubya in, with an SAT score 200 points below the Yale
>average, and below that for almost all major land grant universities.

That's a legacy.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 12:35:48
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
>themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public affairs
>and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that his
>father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
>made up the deficit.
>
>William Clark

Wait a minute, Bush went on to get an MBA from Harvard. Gore never
got any graduate degree. Kerry got his law degree from BC. So Bush
does alright in the continuing education department.

I'd say that Bush outdid both Kerry and Gore in the public affairs.
After all he was elected to two terms as President of the US. That's
a pretty good measure of success.

Bush did have his wild years, but I'm no one to hold that against him.
I'll bet that Kerry did his share of drugs in Nam and with the
anti-war protesters. Gore is your classic nerd, so I doubt that he
did anything rebellious in his life. However, I wonder if one day on
a nature walk, someone slipped him some acid and he ended up having a
religious experience with a tree.

Personally, if had to choose one of them to spend a night out with,
Bush would win hands down. Of course, I have to admit that if you put
Clinton in the mix, I'd go with Bill. Chances are good we'd end up
with a couple of babes by the end of the night.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 13:56:48
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <lvcck2db4v5s0mp03s2nksat5vkii8b6ml@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
> >themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public affairs
> >and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that his
> >father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
> >made up the deficit.
> >
> >William Clark
>
>
> Wait a minute, Bush went on to get an MBA from Harvard. Gore never
> got any graduate degree. Kerry got his law degree from BC. So Bush
> does alright in the continuing education department.

No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
and use it as a base to build an education from life. He espoused no
strong causes, and was never involved in politics in other than the most
superficial way. We will will put the drinking and other excesses to one
side for now, together with infamous TANG 'service'..

Then a group of wealthy Texans saw him, as the carrier of the Bush name,
as their meal ticket to the Texas Governorship, and then possibly the
White House, enabling them to operate the political machine to their
advantage.
>
> I'd say that Bush outdid both Kerry and Gore in the public affairs.
> After all he was elected to two terms as President of the US. That's
> a pretty good measure of success.

See above. My measure will be to see what impact Dubya has on world
affairs after his spell in the WH. Carter and Clinton, together with
Bush I, are having some impact - Reagan had little, even before his
decline into Alzheimer's. I suspect Dubya will also have none, and will
slip off into the night to line his own pockets from those same people
that rode him to Washington.
>
> Bush did have his wild years, but I'm no one to hold that against him.
> I'll bet that Kerry did his share of drugs in Nam and with the
> anti-war protesters. Gore is your classic nerd, so I doubt that he
> did anything rebellious in his life. However, I wonder if one day on
> a nature walk, someone slipped him some acid and he ended up having a
> religious experience with a tree.
>
> Personally, if had to choose one of them to spend a night out with,
> Bush would win hands down. Of course, I have to admit that if you put
> Clinton in the mix, I'd go with Bill. Chances are good we'd end up
> with a couple of babes by the end of the night.

Indeed, Clinton every time - he still has the charisma for the women.

William Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:09:12
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <lvcck2db4v5s0mp03s2nksat5vkii8b6ml@4ax.com>,
> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
>> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
>>> themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public affairs
>>> and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that his
>>> father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
>>> made up the deficit.
>>>
>>> William Clark
>>
>> Wait a minute, Bush went on to get an MBA from Harvard. Gore never
>> got any graduate degree. Kerry got his law degree from BC. So Bush
>> does alright in the continuing education department.
>
> No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
> discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
> there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
> travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
> and use it as a base to build an education from life. He espoused no
> strong causes, and was never involved in politics in other than the most
> superficial way. We will will put the drinking and other excesses to one
> side for now, together with infamous TANG 'service'..

Baseball team co-owner. Oil company executive. Twice elected governor,
aka chief executive of a state and twice elected president of the US of
A. I think his education has served him well.

> Then a group of wealthy Texans saw him, as the carrier of the Bush name,
> as their meal ticket to the Texas Governorship, and then possibly the
> White House, enabling them to operate the political machine to their
> advantage.

Just like those guys that hitched their hose to the wagon Clinton was
pulling?

>> I'd say that Bush outdid both Kerry and Gore in the public affairs.
>> After all he was elected to two terms as President of the US. That's
>> a pretty good measure of success.
>
> See above. My measure will be to see what impact Dubya has on world
> affairs after his spell in the WH. Carter and Clinton, together with
> Bush I, are having some impact - Reagan had little, even before his
> decline into Alzheimer's. I suspect Dubya will also have none, and will
> slip off into the night to line his own pockets from those same people
> that rode him to Washington.

Former presidents fade into retirement and play golf or build houses or
something like that. They had their chance to affect the world and now
it is somebody else's turn.

>> Bush did have his wild years, but I'm no one to hold that against him.
>> I'll bet that Kerry did his share of drugs in Nam and with the
>> anti-war protesters. Gore is your classic nerd, so I doubt that he
>> did anything rebellious in his life. However, I wonder if one day on
>> a nature walk, someone slipped him some acid and he ended up having a
>> religious experience with a tree.
>>
>> Personally, if had to choose one of them to spend a night out with,
>> Bush would win hands down. Of course, I have to admit that if you put
>> Clinton in the mix, I'd go with Bill. Chances are good we'd end up
>> with a couple of babes by the end of the night.
>
> Indeed, Clinton every time - he still has the charisma for the women.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 06:09:11
From: JJK
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

"Bert Robbins" wrote:
> Baseball team co-owner. Oil company executive. Twice elected governor,
> aka chief executive of a state and twice elected president of the US of
> A. I think his education has served him well.

Read up on his success as an oil company executive and the mechanism by
which he made profit w/the baseball team.

Also, do you think his family ties had anything to do w/his success getting
elected to public office?

His education has had no bearing on his jobs.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:57:11
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <QKqdnZVVu6ulP9vYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com >,
Bert Robbins <screw@you.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <lvcck2db4v5s0mp03s2nksat5vkii8b6ml@4ax.com>,
> > Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> >> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
> >>> themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public affairs
> >>> and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that his
> >>> father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
> >>> made up the deficit.
> >>>
> >>> William Clark
> >>
> >> Wait a minute, Bush went on to get an MBA from Harvard. Gore never
> >> got any graduate degree. Kerry got his law degree from BC. So Bush
> >> does alright in the continuing education department.
> >
> > No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
> > discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
> > there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
> > travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
> > and use it as a base to build an education from life. He espoused no
> > strong causes, and was never involved in politics in other than the most
> > superficial way. We will will put the drinking and other excesses to one
> > side for now, together with infamous TANG 'service'..
>
> Baseball team co-owner. Oil company executive. Twice elected governor,
> aka chief executive of a state and twice elected president of the US of
> A. I think his education has served him well.

The Texas Rangers, who never won squat and then sold Sammy Sosa for a
song to the Cubs, for where he proceeded to break records. Failed energy
companies that were shells simply to make him wealthy enough to run for
office. The pushed by O'Neill, Perry and cronies into office in Texas
and then the WH. Yup, he really used that 'education'.
>
> > Then a group of wealthy Texans saw him, as the carrier of the Bush name,
> > as their meal ticket to the Texas Governorship, and then possibly the
> > White House, enabling them to operate the political machine to their
> > advantage.
>
> Just like those guys that hitched their hose to the wagon Clinton was
> pulling?

Who would they be? Clinton had no cache to his name, so perhaps it was
just the unusual abilities of a man who got elected a Governor at age 31?

>
> >> I'd say that Bush outdid both Kerry and Gore in the public affairs.
> >> After all he was elected to two terms as President of the US. That's
> >> a pretty good measure of success.
> >
> > See above. My measure will be to see what impact Dubya has on world
> > affairs after his spell in the WH. Carter and Clinton, together with
> > Bush I, are having some impact - Reagan had little, even before his
> > decline into Alzheimer's. I suspect Dubya will also have none, and will
> > slip off into the night to line his own pockets from those same people
> > that rode him to Washington.
>
> Former presidents fade into retirement and play golf or build houses or
> something like that. They had their chance to affect the world and now
> it is somebody else's turn.

I think the work Clinton is doing in Africa gives the lie to that (with
assistance from Bush I). Carter's respect around the world (except among
US neocons) keeps him a world figure to this day. Bush II will, as you
say, disappear to play golf.

William Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 21:10:06
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <QKqdnZVVu6ulP9vYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote:
>
>> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>>> In article <lvcck2db4v5s0mp03s2nksat5vkii8b6ml@4ax.com>,
>>> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
>>>> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
>>>>> themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public affairs
>>>>> and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that his
>>>>> father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
>>>>> made up the deficit.
>>>>>
>>>>> William Clark
>>>> Wait a minute, Bush went on to get an MBA from Harvard. Gore never
>>>> got any graduate degree. Kerry got his law degree from BC. So Bush
>>>> does alright in the continuing education department.
>>> No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
>>> discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
>>> there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
>>> travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
>>> and use it as a base to build an education from life. He espoused no
>>> strong causes, and was never involved in politics in other than the most
>>> superficial way. We will will put the drinking and other excesses to one
>>> side for now, together with infamous TANG 'service'..
>> Baseball team co-owner. Oil company executive. Twice elected governor,
>> aka chief executive of a state and twice elected president of the US of
>> A. I think his education has served him well.
>
> The Texas Rangers, who never won squat and then sold Sammy Sosa for a
> song to the Cubs, for where he proceeded to break records. Failed energy
> companies that were shells simply to make him wealthy enough to run for
> office. The pushed by O'Neill, Perry and cronies into office in Texas
> and then the WH. Yup, he really used that 'education'.
>>> Then a group of wealthy Texans saw him, as the carrier of the Bush name,
>>> as their meal ticket to the Texas Governorship, and then possibly the
>>> White House, enabling them to operate the political machine to their
>>> advantage.
>> Just like those guys that hitched their hose to the wagon Clinton was
>> pulling?
>
> Who would they be? Clinton had no cache to his name, so perhaps it was
> just the unusual abilities of a man who got elected a Governor at age 31?
>
>>>> I'd say that Bush outdid both Kerry and Gore in the public affairs.
>>>> After all he was elected to two terms as President of the US. That's
>>>> a pretty good measure of success.
>>> See above. My measure will be to see what impact Dubya has on world
>>> affairs after his spell in the WH. Carter and Clinton, together with
>>> Bush I, are having some impact - Reagan had little, even before his
>>> decline into Alzheimer's. I suspect Dubya will also have none, and will
>>> slip off into the night to line his own pockets from those same people
>>> that rode him to Washington.
>> Former presidents fade into retirement and play golf or build houses or
>> something like that. They had their chance to affect the world and now
>> it is somebody else's turn.
>
> I think the work Clinton is doing in Africa gives the lie to that (with
> assistance from Bush I). Carter's respect around the world (except among
> US neocons) keeps him a world figure to this day. Bush II will, as you
> say, disappear to play golf.

Carter is a twit. He was a twit when he was president and nothing has
changed with him since.

Bush I is epitome of what a former president should do.

Bush I has tried to steer Clinton down the correct path but, Clinton
can't help himself and Hillary is getting paid back for the Monica
incident.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 21:46:51
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <McCdncgDxt7gLdvYnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@comcast.com >,
Bert Robbins <screw@you.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <QKqdnZVVu6ulP9vYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote:
> >
> >> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> >>> In article <lvcck2db4v5s0mp03s2nksat5vkii8b6ml@4ax.com>,
> >>> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> >>>> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
> >>>>> themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public
> >>>>> affairs
> >>>>> and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that
> >>>>> his
> >>>>> father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
> >>>>> made up the deficit.

... snip, snip ...

> >
> > I think the work Clinton is doing in Africa gives the lie to that (with
> > assistance from Bush I). Carter's respect around the world (except among
> > US neocons) keeps him a world figure to this day. Bush II will, as you
> > say, disappear to play golf.
>
> Carter is a twit. He was a twit when he was president and nothing has
> changed with him since.
>
> Bush I is epitome of what a former president should do.
>
> Bush I has tried to steer Clinton down the correct path but, Clinton
> can't help himself and Hillary is getting paid back for the Monica
> incident.

Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
points of light" Bush I. But whatever you need to think to keep your
faith in the GoP, go ahead. It keeps the rest of us amused.

William Clark

Date: 31 Oct 2006 20:11:02
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Mon, 30 2006 21:46:51 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
>points of light" Bush I.

Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:22:52
From: JJK
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

"William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> >Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
> >points of light" Bush I.

"Jack Hollis" wrote:
> Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.

Bush the Elder seemed to be much smarter than W (at least much more
politically astute), but I think it unlikely that he's smarter than Clinton.
I've read many of BTE's transcripts. The impression I got was that he could
not correlate his thoughts particularly well.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:57:51
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:22:52 GMT, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net > wrote:

>"Jack Hollis" wrote:
>> Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.
>
>
>Bush the Elder seemed to be much smarter than W (at least much more
>politically astute), but I think it unlikely that he's smarter than Clinton.

It's not an issue of smart, it's an issue of substance.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 21:14:04
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <susfk2hnf8tpso9n1pjlc5f97eao9ifuoh@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Mon, 30 2006 21:46:51 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
> >points of light" Bush I.
>
> Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.

Sure.

William Clark

Date: 31 Oct 2006 12:07:08
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Mon, 30 2006 20:57:11 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>Who would they be? Clinton had no cache to his name, so perhaps it was
>just the unusual abilities of a man who got elected a Governor at age 31?

He let everyone know when he was AG that he would play ball.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:37:59
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Mon, 30 2006 13:56:48 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:

<snips blah blah >

>
>No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
>discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
>there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
>travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
>and use it as a base to build an education from life. He espoused no
>strong causes, and was never involved in politics in other than the most
>superficial way. We will will put the drinking and other excesses to one
>side for now, together with infamous TANG 'service'..
>
>
I gather you dont have an MBA?

What a dipshit !

Daveb

Date: 30 Oct 2006 18:10:41
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <4546618b.2469672@news.dslextreme.com >, (DaveB) wrote:

> On Mon, 30 2006 13:56:48 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
>
> <snips blah blah>
>
> >
> >No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
> >discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
> >there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
> >travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
> >and use it as a base to build an education from life. He espoused no
> >strong causes, and was never involved in politics in other than the most
> >superficial way. We will will put the drinking and other excesses to one
> >side for now, together with infamous TANG 'service'..
> >
> >
> I gather you dont have an MBA?
>
> What a dipshit !
>
> Daveb

I wish you understood how dumb that observation is.

Oh, well, I haven't the time to let you in on the secret . . . ;-)

William Clark

Date: 31 Oct 2006 20:07:57
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Mon, 30 2006 13:56:48 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:

>No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
>discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
>there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
>travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
>and use it as a base to build an education from life.

There are some who feel that the more time you spend in school, the
dumber you get. In any case, the man went on to become a two term
President. That's an accomplishment that very few can match.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 21:13:38
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <dnsfk214fa5peqfah5nrf1gs0i7i39i0h2@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Mon, 30 2006 13:56:48 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
>
> >No, he doesn't. He went two additional years for an MBA (and we can
> >discuss separately how much of an 'education' an MBA is :-)), but from
> >there on, it's a blank screen. He didn't read, didn't study, never
> >travelled - in short, he did nothing to take his university education
> >and use it as a base to build an education from life.
>
> There are some who feel that the more time you spend in school, the
> dumber you get. In any case, the man went on to become a two term
> President. That's an accomplishment that very few can match.

The man was called 'Bush', and had a Daddy who was Senator and former
President, and a Grand Daddy who was a trustee of Yale, and US Senator,
not to mention another Grand Daddy who was President of the USGA and
after whom a certain Cup is named.

Even fewer can match that for an advantage in life.

William Clark

Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:54:39
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Tue, 31 2006 21:13:38 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>The man was called 'Bush', and had a Daddy who was Senator and former
>President, and a Grand Daddy who was a trustee of Yale, and US Senator,
>not to mention another Grand Daddy who was President of the USGA and
>after whom a certain Cup is named.
>
>Even fewer can match that for an advantage in life.
>
>William Clark

He can't help it if he's lucky.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:06:10
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <t6khk2puqercrspdpf3cb64ieddbc4nqsj@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Tue, 31 2006 21:13:38 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >The man was called 'Bush', and had a Daddy who was Senator and former
> >President, and a Grand Daddy who was a trustee of Yale, and US Senator,
> >not to mention another Grand Daddy who was President of the USGA and
> >after whom a certain Cup is named.
> >
> >Even fewer can match that for an advantage in life.
> >
> >William Clark
>
> He can't help it if he's lucky.

Precisely. Luck can never be substituted for ability and hard work.

William Clark

Date: 01 Nov 2006 22:11:27
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:06:10 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:

>> He can't help it if he's lucky.
>
>Precisely. Luck can never be substituted for ability and hard work.

True, but it's best to have all three.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:11:32
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <t6khk2puqercrspdpf3cb64ieddbc4nqsj@4ax.com>,
> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 2006 21:13:38 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
>> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> The man was called 'Bush', and had a Daddy who was Senator and former
>>> President, and a Grand Daddy who was a trustee of Yale, and US Senator,
>>> not to mention another Grand Daddy who was President of the USGA and
>>> after whom a certain Cup is named.
>>>
>>> Even fewer can match that for an advantage in life.
>>>
>>> William Clark
>> He can't help it if he's lucky.
>
> Precisely. Luck can never be substituted for ability and hard work.

Tell that to the guys who win the lottery.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 09:16:10
From: John B.
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Jack Hollis wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:22:52 GMT, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"Jack Hollis" wrote:
> >> Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.
> >
> >
> >Bush the Elder seemed to be much smarter than W (at least much more
> >politically astute), but I think it unlikely that he's smarter than Clinton.
>
> It's not an issue of smart, it's an issue of substance.

I agree, sort of, and Bush Jr. is clearly devoid of both.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:56:52
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On 1 Nov 2006 09:16:10 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

>> It's not an issue of smart, it's an issue of substance.
>
>I agree, sort of, and Bush Jr. is clearly devoid of both.

I have absolutely no problem in saying that people like Clinton, Gore,
Kerry and GWB lack the substance of GHWB. Even though I'm a baby
boomer, I have to say that the baby boomers are not of the same
caliber as their parents generation. Unfortunately, I think that the
generation behind the baby boomers is even worse.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 07:37:21
From: John B.
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <1162390950.235327.85250@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > JJK wrote:
> > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> > > > >Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
> > > > >points of light" Bush I.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jack Hollis" wrote:
> > > > Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bush the Elder seemed to be much smarter than W (at least much more
> > > politically astute), but I think it unlikely that he's smarter than Clinton.
> > > I've read many of BTE's transcripts. The impression I got was that he could
> > > not correlate his thoughts particularly well.
> >
> > BTE spent most of his life in govt. service before becoming president.
> > He wasn't all that smart, but he was intellectually engaged,
> > particularly in foreign policy, so he learned a lot and tried to be
> > thoughtful about it. Bush Jr. is intellectually lazy. He went into
> > public life because his name was Bush and because he thought it would
> > be fun. He was blatantly ignorant of pretty much every aspect of public
> > policy when he ran for president in 2000. If he weren't the scion of a
> > wealthy, powerful aristocratic family, he wouldn't have gotten into
> > Yale or Harvard Business School. He would have had no success in
> > politics. He'd probably be managing a K-Mart now.
>
> More like running a register in K-Mart, actually.
>
> William Clark

I guess he could handle that, now that the registers tell you how much
change to give back. Remember when his dad discovered bar-code
scanners? "You mean that's for check-out?"

Date: 01 Nov 2006 06:22:30
From: John B.
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

JJK wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> > >Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
> > >points of light" Bush I.
>
>
> "Jack Hollis" wrote:
> > Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.
>
>
> Bush the Elder seemed to be much smarter than W (at least much more
> politically astute), but I think it unlikely that he's smarter than Clinton.
> I've read many of BTE's transcripts. The impression I got was that he could
> not correlate his thoughts particularly well.

BTE spent most of his life in govt. service before becoming president.
He wasn't all that smart, but he was intellectually engaged,
particularly in foreign policy, so he learned a lot and tried to be
thoughtful about it. Bush Jr. is intellectually lazy. He went into
public life because his name was Bush and because he thought it would
be fun. He was blatantly ignorant of pretty much every aspect of public
policy when he ran for president in 2000. If he weren't the scion of a
wealthy, powerful aristocratic family, he wouldn't have gotten into
Yale or Harvard Business School. He would have had no success in
politics. He'd probably be managing a K-Mart now.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:34:37
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162390950.235327.85250@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

> JJK wrote:
> > "William A. T. Clark" wrote:
> > > >Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
> > > >points of light" Bush I.
> >
> >
> > "Jack Hollis" wrote:
> > > Bill Clinton was a lightweight compared to Bush 41 in every way.
> >
> >
> > Bush the Elder seemed to be much smarter than W (at least much more
> > politically astute), but I think it unlikely that he's smarter than Clinton.
> > I've read many of BTE's transcripts. The impression I got was that he could
> > not correlate his thoughts particularly well.
>
> BTE spent most of his life in govt. service before becoming president.
> He wasn't all that smart, but he was intellectually engaged,
> particularly in foreign policy, so he learned a lot and tried to be
> thoughtful about it. Bush Jr. is intellectually lazy. He went into
> public life because his name was Bush and because he thought it would
> be fun. He was blatantly ignorant of pretty much every aspect of public
> policy when he ran for president in 2000. If he weren't the scion of a
> wealthy, powerful aristocratic family, he wouldn't have gotten into
> Yale or Harvard Business School. He would have had no success in
> politics. He'd probably be managing a K-Mart now.

More like running a register in K-Mart, actually.

William Clark

Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:33:32
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On 1-Nov-2006, "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:

> > Yale or Harvard Business School. He would have had no success in
> > politics. He'd probably be managing a K-Mart now.
>
> More like running a register in K-Mart, actually.

Says alot about the Dems getting regularly beat by such an oaf!

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 16:16:40
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162149831.725553.126950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote:

> > > > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > > > moment.....any other suggestions?
> > >
> > > Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > > Master's from there, do you?
> >
> > Yes, well he probably doesn't have a Pappy and Grandpa that can get him
> > legacy access to the Ivy League ahead of students that only have
> > intelligence to offer.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Unfortunately I worked full-time to put myself through college, which
> took me seven years.
>
> I don't know what Bush's GPA was at Harvard, but I have read that his
> GPA was 2.3 out of 4.0 at Yale (for a history degree). Considering my
> GPA was over a point higher in a degree with mostly Science and
> Engineering classes, I doubt that I would fare worse than him at
> Harvard.

Exactly. Dubya hasn't 'worked' a day in his life to get where he is. He
just had a big name to sell to those that wanted to buy influence.

William Clark

Date: 29 Oct 2006 17:59:43
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> Exactly. Dubya hasn't 'worked' a day in his life to get where he is.
> He just had a big name to sell to those that wanted to buy influence.

I suspect you haven't worked much either; other than to walk to the mailbox
for welfare and food stamps.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:39:36
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <rja1h.18961$kI6.17089@bignews4.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > Exactly. Dubya hasn't 'worked' a day in his life to get where he is.
> > He just had a big name to sell to those that wanted to buy influence.
>
> I suspect you haven't worked much either; other than to walk to the mailbox
> for welfare and food stamps.

Gosh, well you suspect dead wrong.

You, on the other hand . . .

William Clark

Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:55:58
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <rja1h.18961$kI6.17089@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> "Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb> wrote:
>
>> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>>> Exactly. Dubya hasn't 'worked' a day in his life to get where he is.
>>> He just had a big name to sell to those that wanted to buy
>>> influence.
>>
>> I suspect you haven't worked much either; other than to walk to the
>> mailbox for welfare and food stamps.
>
> Gosh, well you suspect dead wrong.
>
> You, on the other hand . . .

I have worked since I was 16. You on the other hand just try and twist the
minds of the next generation with your sick views on social programs. Tell
me idiot; how did you make it through graduate school without reading the
US Constitution? Do the parents of your students know how you spend your
free time?

William Alan Thomas Clark, Ph.D.
Professor, Department of Materials Science and Engineering
Associate Dean, Graduate School

250 University Hall
230 N. Oval Mall
Columbus, OH 43210
(614) 292-9490
clark.31@osu.edu

Date: 29 Oct 2006 22:33:52
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <QQd1h.10004$Bs.238@bignews8.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <rja1h.18961$kI6.17089@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > "Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb> wrote:
> >
> >> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> >>> Exactly. Dubya hasn't 'worked' a day in his life to get where he is.
> >>> He just had a big name to sell to those that wanted to buy
> >>> influence.
> >>
> >> I suspect you haven't worked much either; other than to walk to the
> >> mailbox for welfare and food stamps.
> >
> > Gosh, well you suspect dead wrong.
> >
> > You, on the other hand . . .
>
> I have worked since I was 16. You on the other hand just try and twist the
> minds of the next generation with your sick views on social programs. Tell
> me idiot; how did you make it through graduate school without reading the
> US Constitution? Do the parents of your students know how you spend your
> free time?

Good for you. I am sure the world is a better place for your efforts.
And how I spend my free time is of no concern to anyone - it is still a
'free' country, I believe.

William Clark

Date: 29 Oct 2006 22:39:15
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> Good for you. I am sure the world is a better place for your efforts.
> And how I spend my free time is of no concern to anyone - it is still
> a 'free' country, I believe.

It's not your free time, liar. You are using an EDU account to act like a
4 year old. As such, OSU has a right to know since you are using their
account and your actions are a reflection on them. With regard to parents;
they have a right to know you are a horses ass, no?

William Alan Thomas Clark, Ph.D.
Professor, Department of Materials Science and Engineering
Associate Dean, Graduate School

250 University Hall
230 N. Oval Mall
Columbus, OH 43210
(614) 292-9490
clark.31@osu.edu

Date: 30 Oct 2006 06:52:48
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <qte1h.10030$Bs.762@bignews8.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > Good for you. I am sure the world is a better place for your efforts.
> > And how I spend my free time is of no concern to anyone - it is still
> > a 'free' country, I believe.
>
> It's not your free time, liar. You are using an EDU account to act like a
> 4 year old. As such, OSU has a right to know since you are using their
> account and your actions are a reflection on them. With regard to parents;
> they have a right to know you are a horses ass, no?
>
Yaaaaaawn.

William Clark

Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:31:16
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> I don't know what Bush's GPA was at Harvard, but I have read that his
> GPA was 2.3 out of 4.0 at Yale (for a history degree). Considering my
> GPA was over a point higher in a degree with mostly Science and
> Engineering classes, I doubt that I would fare worse than him at
> Harvard.

Actually, at most Ivy league schools a professor needs permission from a
Dean to give a student less than a C. Harvard and Yale drop into that
category. Bush probably would have been a D student that never graduated
if he was at a non Ivy League school (where Daddy could not use Preston's
cash to manipulate grades).

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:16:51
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Tex wrote:
> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > Fairway wrote:
> > > BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > > > Larry Bud wrote:
> > > > > > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > > > > > moment.....any other suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > > > > Master's from there, do you?
> > > >
> > > > Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> > > > actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> > > > high.
> > > >
> > > > Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
> > > Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
> > > intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
>
> > If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
> > stupid one.
>
> Did you think the 3rd time typing this would make it any better?
>
> Tex

Others probably realized that Google made the mistake, not I.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:15:47
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

> > What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
> > will take decades to recover.
>
> You'll never get to the position to have the chance.
>
> Tex

That's true, because it's all about money, both Democrat and Republican.

Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:02:50
From: Tex
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> Fairway wrote:
> > BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > > Larry Bud wrote:
> > > > > After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > > > > moment.....any other suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > > > Master's from there, do you?
> > >
> > > Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> > > actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> > > high.
> > >
> > > Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
> > Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
> > intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F

> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
> stupid one.

Did you think the 3rd time typing this would make it any better?

Tex

Date: 29 Oct 2006 11:01:26
From: Tex
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

BigPurdueFan wrote:
> Bert Robbins wrote:
> > BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > > Fairway wrote:
> > >> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> > >>> Larry Bud wrote:
> > >>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> > >>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
> > >>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> > >>>> Master's from there, do you?
> > >>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> > >>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> > >>> high.
> > >>>
> > >>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
> > >> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
> > >> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
> > >
> > > If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
> > > stupid one.
> > >
> >
> > He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
> > greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
> > to the governorship of Texas.
> >
> > What have you done?

> Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?
>
> What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
> will take decades to recover.

You'll never get to the position to have the chance.

Tex

Date: 30 Oct 2006 07:16:42
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Larry Bud wrote:
> annika1980 wrote:
> > BigPurdueFan wrote:
[snip]
> > >I need help determining what would be appropriate to celebrate the event.
> >
> > Do you own a rifle?
>
> Is that a threat on the President I'm hearing?
>
> The next thing you might hear is a knock at the door from the FBI.

Nah, it'd be the SS. And they say irony is dead.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:02:36
From: John B.
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Bert Robbins wrote:
> John B. wrote:
> > Bert Robbins wrote:
> >> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> >>> Bert Robbins wrote:
> >>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> >>>>> Fairway wrote:
> >>>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
> >>>>>>> Larry Bud wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
> >>>>>>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
> >>>>>>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
> >>>>>>>> Master's from there, do you?
> >>>>>>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
> >>>>>>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
> >>>>>>> high.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
> >>>>>> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
> >>>>>> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
> >>>>> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
> >>>>> stupid one.
> >>>>>
> >>>> He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
> >>>> greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
> >>>> to the governorship of Texas.
> >>>>
> >>>> What have you done?
> >>> Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?
> >> I didn't say great, I said accomplished more.
> >>
> >>> What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
> >>> will take decades to recover.
> >> Typical Democratic response, speaking in the negative.
> >>
> >> We still need to start the recovery from Johnson's tenure.
> >
> >
> > And what would that entail? Repealing the Civil Rights Act and the
> > Voting Rights Act? Abolishing Medicare and Medicaid?
> >
>
> The Civil Rights Act getting passed was due to Republicns. The Voting
> Rights Act was needed to prevent the Southern Democrats from controlling
> the population.

Can your head get any farther up your ass? Due to Republicans? Explain
that if you're able. The Voting Rights Act was passed to give southern
blacks to right to vote, which they were being denied through poll
taxes, literacy tests, arbitrary regustration rules, etc. These are two
of the most important laws of the 20th Century and they were passed by
a Democratic Congress with the insistence of a Democratic president.

>
> Push all welfare down to the state level where it belongs.

Welfare is already administered by the states.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 08:30:04
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

John B. wrote:
> Bert Robbins wrote:
>> John B. wrote:
>>> Bert Robbins wrote:
>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>> Bert Robbins wrote:
>>>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>>>> Fairway wrote:
>>>>>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of at the
>>>>>>>>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all, Bush has a
>>>>>>>>>> Master's from there, do you?
>>>>>>>>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
>>>>>>>>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not very
>>>>>>>>> high.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a genius?
>>>>>>>> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a very
>>>>>>>> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather stupid. F
>>>>>>> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are unfortunately the
>>>>>>> stupid one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
>>>>>> greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice elected
>>>>>> to the governorship of Texas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What have you done?
>>>>> Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?
>>>> I didn't say great, I said accomplished more.
>>>>
>>>>> What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
>>>>> will take decades to recover.
>>>> Typical Democratic response, speaking in the negative.
>>>>
>>>> We still need to start the recovery from Johnson's tenure.
>>>
>>> And what would that entail? Repealing the Civil Rights Act and the
>>> Voting Rights Act? Abolishing Medicare and Medicaid?
>>>
>> The Civil Rights Act getting passed was due to Republicns. The Voting
>> Rights Act was needed to prevent the Southern Democrats from controlling
>> the population.
>
> Can your head get any farther up your ass? Due to Republicans? Explain
> that if you're able. The Voting Rights Act was passed to give southern
> blacks to right to vote, which they were being denied through poll
> taxes, literacy tests, arbitrary regustration rules, etc. These are two
> of the most important laws of the 20th Century and they were passed by
> a Democratic Congress with the insistence of a Democratic president.

Isn't that what I just said but much more briefly.

>> Push all welfare down to the state level where it belongs.
>
>
> Welfare is already administered by the states.

SSDI, WIC, ....

Date: 30 Oct 2006 08:37:24
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Bert Robbins wrote:
> John B. wrote:
>> Bert Robbins wrote:
>>> John B. wrote:
>>>> Bert Robbins wrote:
>>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>>> Bert Robbins wrote:
>>>>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>>>>> Fairway wrote:
>>>>>>>>> BigPurdueFan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> After four hours of sleep, that's about all I can think of
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> moment.....any other suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>> Work at your MBA from Harvard Business School. After all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Bush has a
>>>>>>>>>>> Master's from there, do you?
>>>>>>>>>> Now that's funny. Are you impressed by that fact? I'm not. His
>>>>>>>>>> actions have clearly shown that his intelligence level is not
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> high.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton got his degree at Yale Law. Do you also believe he's a
>>>>>>>>>> genius?
>>>>>>>>> Bill was a bit reckless in a charming, boyish way - and he is a
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> intelligent and able man. But you are unfortunately rather
>>>>>>>>> stupid. F
>>>>>>>> If you believe Bush is a great man, it seems you are
>>>>>>>> unfortunately the
>>>>>>>> stupid one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has accomplished more in life than you have. Ascending to the
>>>>>>> greatest elected office in the country twice elected and twice
>>>>>>> elected
>>>>>>> to the governorship of Texas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What have you done?
>>>>>> Wow, so every governor in the country and every president is great?
>>>>> I didn't say great, I said accomplished more.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What have I done? I haven't destroyed America to the extent that it
>>>>>> will take decades to recover.
>>>>> Typical Democratic response, speaking in the negative.
>>>>>
>>>>> We still need to start the recovery from Johnson's tenure.
>>>>
>>>> And what would that entail? Repealing the Civil Rights Act and the
>>>> Voting Rights Act? Abolishing Medicare and Medicaid?
>>>>
>>> The Civil Rights Act getting passed was due to Republicns. The Voting
>>> Rights Act was needed to prevent the Southern Democrats from controlling
>>> the population.
>>
>> Can your head get any farther up your ass? Due to Republicans? Explain
>> that if you're able. The Voting Rights Act was passed to give southern
>> blacks to right to vote, which they were being denied through poll
>> taxes, literacy tests, arbitrary regustration rules, etc. These are two
>> of the most important laws of the 20th Century and they were passed by
>> a Democratic Congress with the insistence of a Democratic president.
>
> Isn't that what I just said but much more briefly.

Correction: It may have been a "Democratic" congress but it was the
Republicans votes that enable them to be passed out of congress and onto
Johnson's desk. Just think how Johnson must have felt being abandoned by
his on party members.

>>> Push all welfare down to the state level where it belongs.
>>
>>
>> Welfare is already administered by the states.
>
> SSDI, WIC, ....

Date: 30 Oct 2006 18:55:21
From: Tex
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <McCdncgDxt7gLdvYnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote:
>
> > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > In article <QKqdnZVVu6ulP9vYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > >>> In article <lvcck2db4v5s0mp03s2nksat5vkii8b6ml@4ax.com>,
> > >>> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> > >>>> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
> > >>>>> themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public
> > >>>>> affairs
> > >>>>> and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that
> > >>>>> his
> > >>>>> father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
> > >>>>> made up the deficit.
>
>
> ... snip, snip ...
>
> > >
> > > I think the work Clinton is doing in Africa gives the lie to that (with
> > > assistance from Bush I). Carter's respect around the world (except among
> > > US neocons) keeps him a world figure to this day. Bush II will, as you
> > > say, disappear to play golf.
> >
> > Carter is a twit. He was a twit when he was president and nothing has
> > changed with him since.
> >
> > Bush I is epitome of what a former president should do.
> >
> > Bush I has tried to steer Clinton down the correct path but, Clinton
> > can't help himself and Hillary is getting paid back for the Monica
> > incident.
>
> Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
> points of light" Bush I. But whatever you need to think to keep your
> faith in the GoP, go ahead. It keeps the rest of us amused.

And this from a research Professor? You did the tests? You gathered
the data?
Did he wash his finger first?

Tex

Date: 30 Oct 2006 18:55:12
From: Tex
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Date: 31 Oct 2006 06:46:40
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162263312.515313.139040@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <McCdncgDxt7gLdvYnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > > In article <QKqdnZVVu6ulP9vYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > > > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > >>> In article <lvcck2db4v5s0mp03s2nksat5vkii8b6ml@4ax.com>,
> > > >>> Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Sun, 29 2006 21:43:56 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> > > >>>> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> The point about Gore and Kerry is that they continued to educate
> > > >>>>> themselves after Harvard and Yale by their involvement in public
> > > >>>>> affairs
> > > >>>>> and their reading. Bush drank (and worse) himself to the point that
> > > >>>>> his
> > > >>>>> father had to find him a job away from Houston. He has clearly never
> > > >>>>> made up the deficit.
> >
> >
> > ... snip, snip ...
> >
> > > >
> > > > I think the work Clinton is doing in Africa gives the lie to that (with
> > > > assistance from Bush I). Carter's respect around the world (except among
> > > > US neocons) keeps him a world figure to this day. Bush II will, as you
> > > > say, disappear to play golf.
> > >
> > > Carter is a twit. He was a twit when he was president and nothing has
> > > changed with him since.
> > >
> > > Bush I is epitome of what a former president should do.
> > >
> > > Bush I has tried to steer Clinton down the correct path but, Clinton
> > > can't help himself and Hillary is getting paid back for the Monica
> > > incident.
> >
> > Oh, right. Clinton has more IQ in his little finger that 'thousand
> > points of light" Bush I. But whatever you need to think to keep your
> > faith in the GoP, go ahead. It keeps the rest of us amused.
>
> And this from a research Professor? You did the tests? You gathered
> the data?
> Did he was his finger first?
>
> Tex

You only need to press the 'send' button once.

Thank you.

William Clark

Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:35:28
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

> > Then a group of wealthy Texans saw him, as the carrier of the Bush name,
> > as their meal ticket to the Texas Governorship, and then possibly the
> > White House, enabling them to operate the political machine to their
> > advantage.
>
> Just like those guys that hitched their hose to the wagon Clinton was
> pulling?

So, you're agreeing with him then?

> > See above. My measure will be to see what impact Dubya has on world
> > affairs after his spell in the WH. Carter and Clinton, together with
> > Bush I, are having some impact - Reagan had little, even before his
> > decline into Alzheimer's. I suspect Dubya will also have none, and will
> > slip off into the night to line his own pockets from those same people
> > that rode him to Washington.
>
> Former presidents fade into retirement and play golf or build houses or
> something like that. They had their chance to affect the world and now
> it is somebody else's turn.

Yes, that is what former presidents do. That is not what great men do.

Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:00:37
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
>
> : Do you own a rifle?
>
> If you like, I can have my friend who has been visited by the
> Secret Service for Usenet comments give you a primer on what
> to expect this week.
>
> Of course, you'll probably get a kick out of it. Freak.

Have you seen the trailer to this movie?
http://www.apple.com/trailers/newmarket/deathofapresident/

It looks like it's gonna be really good. I can't wait to see it.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 09:30:50
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

Fairway wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> >> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> You are an engineer, aren=B4t you - not a physicist? Very different.
> Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F

Wow, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, nothing is.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 09:08:31
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
>> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
>
> Thank you.
>
> William Clark

You are an engineer, aren=B4t you - not a physicist? Very different.
Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F

Date: 31 Oct 2006 13:19:47
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162314511.742392.303380@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> >> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> You are an engineer, aren�t you - not a physicist? Very different.
> Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F

No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics, and I am
in the area of materials SCIENCE.

But then you probably don't know the difference, anyway.

William Clark

Date: 31 Oct 2006 20:19:04
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Tue, 31 2006 13:19:47 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:

>No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics,

So you don't have a Ph D in physics? Undergrad majors in physics get
a BS. Not quite the same thing.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 21:09:16
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <e6tfk2tmkmigtvc26nccqfgv9afunacpdj@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Tue, 31 2006 13:19:47 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
>
> >No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics,
>
> So you don't have a Ph D in physics? Undergrad majors in physics get
> a BS. Not quite the same thing.

You need to read on. HeadShot will help you.

William Clark

Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:52:18
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Tue, 31 2006 21:09:16 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>> >No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics,
>>
>> So you don't have a Ph D in physics? Undergrad majors in physics get
>> a BS. Not quite the same thing.
>
>You need to read on. HeadShot will help you.
>
>William Clark

My understanding is that your Ph. D. is in Engineering. So I was
wondering why you said "thank you" when I complimented people who have
Ph.Ds. in Physics.

You have to admire anyone who has the perseverance to complete a
dorate in anything. However, some degrees are more impressive than
others. You have to consider both the discipline and the school. For
example if Kerry's JD was from Yale or Harvard it would be more
impressive than the one he got from BC.

On the other hand, I know a few Ph. Ds. that don't have to common
sense to come in out of the rain. Most of them stay in academia.
Hopefully you had a career in the private sector and returned to
academia after many solid accomplishments out in the real world.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:02:15
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <p7jhk25h3fqfuil3fgakm1jvjn6o9qdprb@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Tue, 31 2006 21:09:16 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >> >No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics,
> >>
> >> So you don't have a Ph D in physics? Undergrad majors in physics get
> >> a BS. Not quite the same thing.
> >
> >You need to read on. HeadShot will help you.
> >
> >William Clark
>
>
> My understanding is that your Ph. D. is in Engineering. So I was
> wondering why you said "thank you" when I complimented people who have
> Ph.Ds. in Physics.
>
> You have to admire anyone who has the perseverance to complete a
> dorate in anything. However, some degrees are more impressive than
> others. You have to consider both the discipline and the school. For
> example if Kerry's JD was from Yale or Harvard it would be more
> impressive than the one he got from BC.
>
> On the other hand, I know a few Ph. Ds. that don't have to common
> sense to come in out of the rain. Most of them stay in academia.
> Hopefully you had a career in the private sector and returned to
> academia after many solid accomplishments out in the real world.

No, don't believe what HeadShot tells you, he a little short on facts.
Mine was in materials science at an institution where this disipline is
completely separate from engineering. We could talk about crystal
structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and other topic in physics
until we are blue in the face if you like - it would be more accurate
than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers' carrying a wrench and an oily rag.

When it comes to the school, ask him about that, too. I think it holds
its own as far as reputation.

William Clark

Date: 01 Nov 2006 22:10:04
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:02:15 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:

> We could talk about crystal
>structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and other topic in physics
>until we are blue in the face if you like - it would be more accurate
>than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers' carrying a wrench and an oily rag.

I'd rather discuss string theory.

I have a lot of respect for engineers of all types. Besides building
things, they actually invent things that make life better for us all.
The contributions of engineers to society is underrated. Of course,
when they fuck up, it causes a lot of problems, but no one is perfect.

Date: 01 Nov 2006 22:25:05
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <3umik21if2q3f47e44pi957dicfan7t4mm@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:02:15 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
>
> > We could talk about crystal
> >structures, wave equations, Fourier analysis and other topic in physics
> >until we are blue in the face if you like - it would be more accurate
> >than HeadShot's vision as 'engineers' carrying a wrench and an oily rag.
>
> I'd rather discuss string theory.
>
> I have a lot of respect for engineers of all types. Besides building
> things, they actually invent things that make life better for us all.
> The contributions of engineers to society is underrated. Of course,
> when they fuck up, it causes a lot of problems, but no one is perfect.

That would be fine, too. Triumphs and failures in this area tend to be
on a large, and very public, scale.

William Clark

Date: 02 Nov 2006 11:01:43
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:25:05 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:

>That would be fine, too. Triumphs and failures in this area tend to be
>on a large, and very public, scale.
>
>William Clark

I'd hate to be one of the engineers working on the Airbus 380 right
now.

Date: 02 Nov 2006 11:19:01
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <ah5kk29f8517dt8kn9mi1ckv5ih0ljkh22@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:25:05 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> >That would be fine, too. Triumphs and failures in this area tend to be
> >on a large, and very public, scale.
> >
> >William Clark
>
> I'd hate to be one of the engineers working on the Airbus 380 right
> now.

Yes, it is always instructive to think about professional ethics when
you are at 35,000'.

William Clark

Date: 31 Oct 2006 05:00:14
From: John B.
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

JJK wrote:
> "Bert Robbins" wrote:
> > Baseball team co-owner. Oil company executive. Twice elected governor,
> > aka chief executive of a state and twice elected president of the US of
> > A. I think his education has served him well.
>
>
> Read up on his success as an oil company executive and the mechanism by
> which he made profit w/the baseball team.
>
> Also, do you think his family ties had anything to do w/his success getting
> elected to public office?
>
> His education has had no bearing on his jobs.

Does anyone actually believe that GW Bush would have been elected
president if his name weren't Bush? If this guy had grown up in a
conventional middle-class family, he would probably be managing a
Wal-Mart or something.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 20:25:28
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

John B. wrote:
> JJK wrote:
>> "Bert Robbins" wrote:
>>> Baseball team co-owner. Oil company executive. Twice elected governor,
>>> aka chief executive of a state and twice elected president of the US of
>>> A. I think his education has served him well.
>>
>> Read up on his success as an oil company executive and the mechanism by
>> which he made profit w/the baseball team.
>>
>> Also, do you think his family ties had anything to do w/his success getting
>> elected to public office?
>>
>> His education has had no bearing on his jobs.
>
>
> Does anyone actually believe that GW Bush would have been elected
> president if his name weren't Bush? If this guy had grown up in a
> conventional middle-class family, he would probably be managing a
> Wal-Mart or something.
>

I suggest you do a better job of picking your parents in your next life.

Date: 31 Oct 2006 14:29:39
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <1162314511.742392.303380@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > >> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > William Clark
> >
> > You are an engineer, aren=B4t you - not a physicist? Very different.
> > Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F
>
> No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics, and I am
> in the area of materials SCIENCE.
>
> But then you probably don't know the difference, anyway.
>
> William Clark
I=B4m a physicist myself, idiot. And material science is no real
science, it=B4s engineering, you arrogant prat. F

Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:54:25
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162333779.368218.104330@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <1162314511.742392.303380@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > >> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > William Clark
> > >
> > > You are an engineer, aren�t you - not a physicist? Very different.
> > > Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F
> >
> > No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics, and I am
> > in the area of materials SCIENCE.
> >
> > But then you probably don't know the difference, anyway.
> >
> > William Clark
> I�m a physicist myself, idiot. And material science is no real
> science, it�s engineering, you arrogant prat. F

Better an arrogant prat than an ignorant moron. And you wouldn't know
the difference between physics and materials (note the correct spelling,
please) science if it jumped up and bit you.

William Clark

Date: 31 Oct 2006 14:27:48
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <1162314511.742392.303380@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > >> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > William Clark
> >
> > You are an engineer, aren=B4t you - not a physicist? Very different.
> > Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F
>
> No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics, and I am
> in the area of materials SCIENCE.
>
> But then you probably don't know the difference, anyway.
>=20
> William Clark
I=B4m a physicist myself, idiot. F

Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:52:58
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

In article <1162333668.428025.268570@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:

> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <1162314511.742392.303380@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > > >> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > William Clark
> > >
> > > You are an engineer, aren�t you - not a physicist? Very different.
> > > Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F
> >
> > No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics, and I am
> > in the area of materials SCIENCE.
> >
> > But then you probably don't know the difference, anyway.
> >
> > William Clark
> I�m a physicist myself, idiot. F

I wish it was believable. You certainly have the physicist's academic
snobbery, anyway.

William Clark

Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:58:45
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: OT: Bush Visiting Indiana

"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-EC7E04.19525731102006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <1162333668.428025.268570@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>> > In article <1162314511.742392.303380@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > William A. T. Clark wrote:
>> > > >> > Very few things compare with a Ph. D. in physics from anywhere.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thank you.
>> > > >
>> > > > William Clark
>> > >
>> > > You are an engineer, aren�t you - not a physicist? Very different.
>> > > Yes, you are far too narrowminded and prejudiced to be a scientist. F
>> >
>> > No, not very different. My undergraduate degree is in physics, and I am
>> > in the area of materials SCIENCE.
>> >
>> > But then you probably don't know the difference, anyway.
>> >
>> > William Clark
>> I�m a physicist myself, idiot. F
>
> I wish it was believable. You certainly have the physicist's academic
> snobbery, anyway.
>
> William Clark

Oh and YOU don't? Now that's funny.