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Date: 15 Sep 2006 09:48:27
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: OMG - latest on michelle - cboylur
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Looks like 80-85 on friday. +8 thru 12 holes. Prolly literally finish
LAST. This is getting pathetic. The kid is setting woman's sports
back about 50 years.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 17:11:56
From: Bill
Subject: Re: OMG - latest on michelle - cboylur
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> Looks like 80-85 on friday. +8 thru 12 holes. Prolly literally finish
> LAST. This is getting pathetic. The kid is setting woman's sports
> back about 50 years.
>
More telling for me is that it took 10 withdrawals for her to finish last.
At best, a silent protest from PGA journeymen to the sponsors. Even
though she's probably raising everyone's income (like Tiger did when
hejoined the tour).
At worst, ....?
Bill
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 14:44:11
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: OMG - latest on michelle - cboylur
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Buford Ressup wrote:
> There are still a few in this newsgroup who maintain that she is the greatest 16
> year old golfer ever to play the game, but they've been a little shy about
> speaking up, lately.
That fact has already been established. What else would you like us to
say?
She beat 2-time Major winner John Daly and another Major winner, Todd
Hamilton ... not to mention all the guys like Azinger who withdrew for
mysterious reasons.
And those guys probably didn't have to worry about homework and stuff.
BTW, how does Michelle Wie manage to go to school in Hawaii and play
all over the world? I never have figured that one out. I guess she has
a nice laptop.
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 00:42:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: OMG - latest on michelle - cboylur
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On 15 Sep 2006 14:44:11 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>BTW, how does Michelle Wie manage to go to school in Hawaii and play
>all over the world? I never have figured that one out. I guess she has
>a nice laptop.
It helps to have a nice fat Nike contract.
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 00:34:44
From: Tranny
Subject: Re: OMG - latest on michelle - cboylur
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annika1980 wrote:
> Buford Ressup wrote:
>> There are still a few in this newsgroup who maintain that she is the greatest 16
>> year old golfer ever to play the game, but they've been a little shy about
>> speaking up, lately.
>
> That fact has already been established. What else would you like us to
> say?
>
> She beat 2-time Major winner John Daly and another Major winner, Todd
> Hamilton ... not to mention all the guys like Azinger who withdrew for
> mysterious reasons.
> And those guys probably didn't have to worry about homework and stuff.
>
> BTW, how does Michelle Wie manage to go to school in Hawaii and play
> all over the world? I never have figured that one out. I guess she has
> a nice laptop.
Nice legs. don't know about the lappy.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 14:24:06
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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Otto wrote:
> Was Babe Ruth a great athlete?
>
> Otto
Yes, he was. Remember that he started out as a pitcher and was quite a
good one. Ruth was a power hitter no because that was all he could do,
but because that was what he chose to do. In his day, hitting home runs
was pretty rare.
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 00:51:47
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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On 15 Sep 2006 14:24:06 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
>Yes, he was. Remember that he started out as a pitcher and was quite a
>good one. Ruth was a power hitter no because that was all he could do,
>but because that was what he chose to do. In his day, hitting home runs
>was pretty rare.
I think he still has the best strike-out record of all time against
the Yankees.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 20:58:53
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:ckimg2pl15e1552ks8ve283epkclav2isq@4ax.com...
> I think he still has the best strike-out record of all time against
> the Yankees.
What was the record?
Otto
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 01:33:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:58:53 -0400, "Otto"
<ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>> I think he still has the best strike-out record of all time against
>> the Yankees.
>
>
>What was the record?
Maybe someone else knows - I'm not a baseball fan, but once won a
radio trivia question by knowing the host enjoyed that kind of
question and guessed Ruth. But I don't remember the exact stat.
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 09:59:27
From: Alan B
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:33:09 GMT, in message
<50lmg2lnnu27lrnn1n4j9bm4ecd20haui1@4ax.com >, Howard Brazee
<howard@brazee.net > scribed:
>On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:58:53 -0400, "Otto"
><ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>> I think he still has the best strike-out record of all time against
>>> the Yankees.
>>
>>
>>What was the record?
>
>Maybe someone else knows - I'm not a baseball fan, but once won a
>radio trivia question by knowing the host enjoyed that kind of
>question and guessed Ruth. But I don't remember the exact stat.
Didn't find the obscure record of strikeouts vs. one team, but the
following NYY records are still held by Ruth:
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/new_york_yankees_records.shtml
Single season:
Bases on Balls
Batting average
OBP
Runs
Slugging avg.
Total bases
Career:
Bases on Balls
Batting average
HR by a lefthander
OBP
Runs
Slugging avg.
Total bases
Caught stealing
That last shows he wasn't afraid to run the bases. See also:
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=ruthba01
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Date: 17 Sep 2006 01:49:06
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:59:27 -0700, Alan B
<nannerbac@nothotmailbutyahoo.com > wrote:
>>Maybe someone else knows - I'm not a baseball fan, but once won a
>>radio trivia question by knowing the host enjoyed that kind of
>>question and guessed Ruth. But I don't remember the exact stat.
>
>Didn't find the obscure record of strikeouts vs. one team, but the
>following NYY records are still held by Ruth:
This record was a pitching record made before he became a Yankee.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 19:10:20
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158355446.598316.214790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Otto wrote:
>> Was Babe Ruth a great athlete?
>>
>> Otto
>
> Yes, he was. Remember that he started out as a pitcher and was quite a
> good one. Ruth was a power hitter no because that was all he could do,
> but because that was what he chose to do. In his day, hitting home runs
> was pretty rare.
The Babe would be a great DH today but he wouldn't have a chance running
bases or chasing balls. He wouldn't have a chance on the mound.
Let's face it, The Babe was an overweight gentleman that loved to have fun.
Did he have fantastic hand/eye coordination coupled with fantastic hand
speed? Absolutely.
Does that make him a great athlete? I think it does.
But some fat guy that can run 11 racks of 9 ball or hit 50 home runs a year
or shoot further under par than his professional peers is also a great
athlete.
Can they win the pentathlon? Hell no. Not a chance. But the guy that wins
the pentathlon probably can't hit a golf ball--probably has no hand\eye
coordination.
So what make a great athlete?
From dictionary.com:
Athlete:
a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical
agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game
requiring physical skill
By definition, it seems to come down to physical skill.
Let's define physical skill:
Physical:
1. of or pertaining to the body: physical exercise.
2. of or pertaining to that which is material: the physical universe;
the physical sciences.
3. noting or pertaining to the properties of matter and energy other
than those peculiar to living matter.
4. pertaining to the physical sciences, esp. physics.
5. carnal; sexual: a physical attraction.
6. tending to touch, hug, pat, etc.; physically demonstrative: a
physical person.
7. requiring, characterized by, or liking rough physical contact or
strenuous physical activity: Football is a physical sport.
Let's define skill:
1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc.,
to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.
2. competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity: The
dancers performed with skill.
3. a craft, trade, or job requiring manual dexterity or special
training in which a person has competence and experience: the skill of
cabinetmaking.
4. Obsolete. understanding; discernment.
5. Obsolete. reason; cause.
Was Babe Ruth an athlete?
Is Tiger an athlete?
Otto
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Date: 16 Sep 2006 19:25:33
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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"Otto" <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:opGOg.958$vX5.174@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
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> But some fat guy that can run 11 racks of 9 ball or hit 50 home runs a
> year or shoot further under par than his professional peers is also a
> great athlete.
>
> Athlete:
>
> a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical
> agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game
> requiring physical skill
So a pool player is now an athlete. I guess a video game player is too.
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Date: 17 Sep 2006 01:48:16
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:25:33 GMT, "jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com > wrote:
>So a pool player is now an athlete. I guess a video game player is too.
Show us your definition of athlete. Otherwise, the dictionary
definition will be our default.
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Date: 17 Sep 2006 15:26:14
From: Whisper
Subject: Re: Why do people call pro golfers great athletes?
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:25:33 GMT, "jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>So a pool player is now an athlete. I guess a video game player is too.
>
>
> Show us your definition of athlete. Otherwise, the dictionary
> definition will be our default.
I just looked at my wordweb dictionary;
GOLF
A game played on a large open course with 9 or 18 holes; the object is
use as few strokes as possible in playing all the holes.
TENNIS
A game played with rackets by two or four players who hit a ball back
and forth over a net that divides the court.
No advantage to tennis by the looks of it - I guess when physical weeds
like Mac/Sampras can dominate it can't really be athletic....?
I mean what other sport would they be considered athletic in....?
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