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Date: 07 Sep 2006 18:35:06
From: muk
Subject: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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I have been fighting an ever worsening hook off the tee.
Saw my coach a few weeks ago and he put me on video. Backswing looks
good. At impact/just after impact, I have great extension with my
right arm. My left wrist, however, collapses and I hook the shots
left.
My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
the only way I can fix things.
Any ideas?
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 18:38:03
From: Capt.Morgan
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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Try aiming your watch at the target on impact, it worked fo me
"muk" <mukhp@NOSPAMhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:acn0g2hf76gjfu65u9f3oo8ngl2if68g5q@4ax.com...
>I have been fighting an ever worsening hook off the tee.
>
> Saw my coach a few weeks ago and he put me on video. Backswing looks
> good. At impact/just after impact, I have great extension with my
> right arm. My left wrist, however, collapses and I hook the shots
> left.
>
> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
> the only way I can fix things.
>
> Any ideas?
--
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 18:18:51
From: David Geesaman
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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muk wrote:
> I have been fighting an ever worsening hook off the tee.
>
> Saw my coach a few weeks ago and he put me on video. Backswing looks
> good. At impact/just after impact, I have great extension with my
> right arm. My left wrist, however, collapses and I hook the shots
> left.
>
> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
> the only way I can fix things.
>
> Any ideas?
Where are you breaking it down? At the top of the backswing (due to
poor wrist cock) or on the downswing?
If it's at the top, I like to think about that wrist staying flat at the
top, with the thumb of the left hand pointing toward your ear. Nick
Price used to go by "stick it in your ear, Nick" to remind himself of
pointing that thumb at his right ear.
I also like to think of the left wrist resembling the whole left side of
your body. At impact, it stays nice and solid and vertical, while the
right side drives into and around it (around by rotation into the
followthru). If you collapse that wrist or collapse your left side, you
lose the solid foundation you need for impact. This one's good for
preventing breakdown at impact.
Another one I like for the late breakdown is the idea of keeping the
club lagged all the way through and past impact. Think of dragging the
club through the ball, hands going by first. If you motion your hands
and arms in a make-believe move through impact, you'll see that the only
way anything like this would work is to keep that left wrist nice and
flat. Think of your followthrough keeping the back of that left hand
moving down the target line until you run out of left arm, when your
extension hits its limit and the right hand rolls over and the clubhead
starts going upward.
Dave
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 01:25:16
From: muk
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:18:51 -0400, David Geesaman
<dgeesamanIHateSpam@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>Where are you breaking it down? At the top of the backswing (due to
>poor wrist cock) or on the downswing?
>
>If it's at the top, I like to think about that wrist staying flat at the
>top, with the thumb of the left hand pointing toward your ear. Nick
>Price used to go by "stick it in your ear, Nick" to remind himself of
>pointing that thumb at his right ear.
>
>I also like to think of the left wrist resembling the whole left side of
>your body. At impact, it stays nice and solid and vertical, while the
>right side drives into and around it (around by rotation into the
>followthru). If you collapse that wrist or collapse your left side, you
>lose the solid foundation you need for impact. This one's good for
>preventing breakdown at impact.
>
>Another one I like for the late breakdown is the idea of keeping the
>club lagged all the way through and past impact. Think of dragging the
>club through the ball, hands going by first. If you motion your hands
>and arms in a make-believe move through impact, you'll see that the only
>way anything like this would work is to keep that left wrist nice and
>flat. Think of your followthrough keeping the back of that left hand
>moving down the target line until you run out of left arm, when your
>extension hits its limit and the right hand rolls over and the clubhead
>starts going upward.
>
>Dave
Heya Dave
Its all breakdown at/just past impact. Even when I am hitting the ball
well, I still hit a high ball. I do not classically flip (scoop) the
club, as my contact is good.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:47:23
From: i.smithee
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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muk wrote:
> >> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
> >> the only way I can fix things.
Visual Image - Try to keep the back of your left hand facing your
target as long as possible.
Has it become worse since we played?
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 21:17:49
From: muk
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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On 7 Sep 2006 13:47:23 -0700, "i.smithee" <magickaboots@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>
>muk wrote:
>
>> >> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
>> >> the only way I can fix things.
>
>Visual Image - Try to keep the back of your left hand facing your
>target as long as possible.
>
>Has it become worse since we played?
I covered the left side of the course all day long yesterday. Par 3s
were bad; no ability to get anything close.
Will try this at the range later.
:P
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 12:31:15
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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muk wrote:
> I have been fighting an ever worsening hook off the tee.
>
> Saw my coach a few weeks ago and he put me on video. Backswing looks
> good. At impact/just after impact, I have great extension with my
> right arm. My left wrist, however, collapses and I hook the shots
> left.
>
> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
> the only way I can fix things.
>
> Any ideas?
Are you into training aids? Get the Greg Norman "Secret"
http://www.intheholegolf.com/store/gns.html
It maintains the angle in your right wrist and will prevent you from
flipping the club. I personally have used this training aid in the
past.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 20:31:34
From: muk
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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On 7 Sep 2006 12:31:15 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>
>muk wrote:
>> I have been fighting an ever worsening hook off the tee.
>>
>> Saw my coach a few weeks ago and he put me on video. Backswing looks
>> good. At impact/just after impact, I have great extension with my
>> right arm. My left wrist, however, collapses and I hook the shots
>> left.
>>
>> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
>> the only way I can fix things.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
>Are you into training aids? Get the Greg Norman "Secret"
>
>http://www.intheholegolf.com/store/gns.html
>
>It maintains the angle in your right wrist and will prevent you from
>flipping the club. I personally have used this training aid in the
>past.
I see this is for the right wrist. I do not have training aids (for
golf!)
Would the Rick Smith Swing glove do the same thing? It is for the left
wrist (for right handed players.)
Thanks.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 06:28:59
From:
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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muk wrote:
> I have been fighting an ever worsening hook off the tee.
>
> Saw my coach a few weeks ago and he put me on video. Backswing looks
> good. At impact/just after impact, I have great extension with my
> right arm. My left wrist, however, collapses and I hook the shots
> left.
>
> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
> the only way I can fix things.
>
> Any ideas?
Hi Muk you've had a few suggestions already but in case it helps I
figure that since my hands are attached to the golf club, all I have to
do is bring the club into a good impact position and my hands will
automatically also be in the correct position (left flat, right
hinged). I find it far easier to focus on the club than the hands
themselves. If your left wrist is breaking down you will almost
certainly have the butt pointing toward your centre at impact (not
good), so a way to correct this is to try bringing the club through
into an impact position with the butt pointing past your left hip and
your hips more turned toward the target than you are used to. If you
look at pictures of great players such as Hogan at impact you will see
that this is the sort of position they achieve(d). If you can bring the
club down into a good impact position then you should automatically
stop the left wrist breaking down and the casting.
Rgds
B
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 04:26:37
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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muk wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2006 12:31:15 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >muk wrote:
> >> I have been fighting an ever worsening hook off the tee.
> >>
> >> Saw my coach a few weeks ago and he put me on video. Backswing looks
> >> good. At impact/just after impact, I have great extension with my
> >> right arm. My left wrist, however, collapses and I hook the shots
> >> left.
> >>
> >> My problem is that I need a good visual image to correct this. This is
> >> the only way I can fix things.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> >Are you into training aids? Get the Greg Norman "Secret"
> >
> >http://www.intheholegolf.com/store/gns.html
> >
> >It maintains the angle in your right wrist and will prevent you from
> >flipping the club. I personally have used this training aid in the
> >past.
>
> I see this is for the right wrist. I do not have training aids (for
> golf!)
>
> Would the Rick Smith Swing glove do the same thing? It is for the left
> wrist (for right handed players.)
This IS for right handed players. Your hands are connected. If you
cannot flip your right wrist over, your left wrist won't break down.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 13:25:57
From: muk
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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On
>>
>> Would the Rick Smith Swing glove do the same thing? It is for the left
>> wrist (for right handed players.)
>
>This IS for right handed players. Your hands are connected. If you
>cannot flip your right wrist over, your left wrist won't break down.
I looked online and saw what it looks like. I was just wondering if
something like the Swing Glove on the other arm would do the same
thing.
Will report back.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 23:21:49
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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muk wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:18:51 -0400, David Geesaman
> <dgeesamanIHateSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Where are you breaking it down? At the top of the backswing (due to
> >poor wrist cock) or on the downswing?
> >
> >If it's at the top, I like to think about that wrist staying flat at the
> >top, with the thumb of the left hand pointing toward your ear. Nick
> >Price used to go by "stick it in your ear, Nick" to remind himself of
> >pointing that thumb at his right ear.
> >
> >I also like to think of the left wrist resembling the whole left side of
> >your body. At impact, it stays nice and solid and vertical, while the
> >right side drives into and around it (around by rotation into the
> >followthru). If you collapse that wrist or collapse your left side, you
> >lose the solid foundation you need for impact. This one's good for
> >preventing breakdown at impact.
> >
> >Another one I like for the late breakdown is the idea of keeping the
> >club lagged all the way through and past impact. Think of dragging the
> >club through the ball, hands going by first. If you motion your hands
> >and arms in a make-believe move through impact, you'll see that the only
> >way anything like this would work is to keep that left wrist nice and
> >flat. Think of your followthrough keeping the back of that left hand
> >moving down the target line until you run out of left arm, when your
> >extension hits its limit and the right hand rolls over and the clubhead
> >starts going upward.
> >
> >Dave
>
> Heya Dave
>
> Its all breakdown at/just past impact. Even when I am hitting the ball
> well, I still hit a high ball. I do not classically flip (scoop) the
> club, as my contact is good.
Funny, I'm working on the same thing. As I mentioned in Randy's
thread, the pro had me work on keeping my right hand hinged
back all the way through impact. That helped a lot all by itself.
We worked a lot on coming into impact with the right palm
facing down, and covering the ball, controlling the clubface.
The other part of the puzzle seems to be to keep the hips turning
through impact. This had the bad side-effect, for me at least,
of causing the clubface to open. But the right wrist thing seems
to be giving me back control of the clubface.
There's a few other things he's had me tweak, too, so who
knows what's causing what. I'm just on the verge of cracking
this nut, so maybe I shouldn't post about it any more until it is a
done deal. That may take a few more weeks.
The good thing about doing this at Golftec, though, is I can see
immediately after each swing if I am really doing what I feel
like I am doing. And it is nice to be able to read out clubface
angle, path, speed, etc. I can't imagine trying to do this
on the range, purely by feel.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 13:29:23
From: muk
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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>
>Funny, I'm working on the same thing. As I mentioned in Randy's
>thread, the pro had me work on keeping my right hand hinged
>back all the way through impact. That helped a lot all by itself.
>We worked a lot on coming into impact with the right palm
>facing down, and covering the ball, controlling the clubface.
>
>The other part of the puzzle seems to be to keep the hips turning
>through impact. This had the bad side-effect, for me at least,
>of causing the clubface to open. But the right wrist thing seems
>to be giving me back control of the clubface.
>
>There's a few other things he's had me tweak, too, so who
>knows what's causing what. I'm just on the verge of cracking
>this nut, so maybe I shouldn't post about it any more until it is a
>done deal. That may take a few more weeks.
>
>The good thing about doing this at Golftec, though, is I can see
>immediately after each swing if I am really doing what I feel
>like I am doing. And it is nice to be able to read out clubface
>angle, path, speed, etc. I can't imagine trying to do this
>on the range, purely by feel.
Thanks for the info. Seeing the swing on video does really help. The
pro puts me on video as well and this is good for feedback.
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 20:39:27
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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muk wrote:
> >
> >Funny, I'm working on the same thing. As I mentioned in Randy's
> >thread, the pro had me work on keeping my right hand hinged
> >back all the way through impact. That helped a lot all by itself.
> >We worked a lot on coming into impact with the right palm
> >facing down, and covering the ball, controlling the clubface.
> >
> >The other part of the puzzle seems to be to keep the hips turning
> >through impact. This had the bad side-effect, for me at least,
> >of causing the clubface to open. But the right wrist thing seems
> >to be giving me back control of the clubface.
> >
> >There's a few other things he's had me tweak, too, so who
> >knows what's causing what. I'm just on the verge of cracking
> >this nut, so maybe I shouldn't post about it any more until it is a
> >done deal. That may take a few more weeks.
> >
> >The good thing about doing this at Golftec, though, is I can see
> >immediately after each swing if I am really doing what I feel
> >like I am doing. And it is nice to be able to read out clubface
> >angle, path, speed, etc. I can't imagine trying to do this
> >on the range, purely by feel.
>
>
> Thanks for the info. Seeing the swing on video does really help. The
> pro puts me on video as well and this is good for feedback.
Big progress during my lesson this week on the left wrist breakdown
front. My regular pro was out of town, so the other pro substituted
in his place. We spent a few minutes before starting talking
about where I was at with my lessons, and what did I want to
fix most about my swing. Right away I said the left arm breakdown.
So he said, "OK take a swing and let's see what it looks like
on video". "Well, here's your problem, your hips are only 16
degrees open at impact, do you realize that the average pro's
hips are 43 degrees open at impact?"
Then we spent some time comparing various pros at impact,
vs my sickening swing.
Then he gave me the magic drill - actually a series of 4 drills.
In the first drill, set up in a normal address position with the
clubhead directly behind the ball. From there, without taking
any backswing at all, swing forward to the finish position,
leading with the hips and lower body. Make sure you end
up with your hands high and the club wrapped around behind
your head. You are trying to fling the ball as hard as you can.
Drill 2: Do the same thing, but this time start with the clubhead
resting on the ground about a foot behind the ball.
Drill 3: Same thing again, but this time start with the club hip
high, parallel to the ground and parallel to the target line.
Drill 4: Same thing, but starting with the club in the "9:00"
position (hands at 9:00, clubshaft pointing at the target line
and 90 degrees to left arm, etc.)
There is no backswing portion of these drills, other than to
place the club in these positions prior to the drills. The drills
are performed by forward motion only, and driven by the hips
and lower body.
If you have the same problem as me, you will have to really
exaggerate the movement of the lower body and hips to
get numbers anywhere close to the pros. But I doubled
my hip turn to 32 degrees at impact after only a short session
of practicing these drills, and the effects on the left wrist
breakdown problem is incredible. I actually have some
frames now showing extension after impact.
Then I took some normal swings, and Shazzam! That's
what I'm talking about!
But, of course, not every time. Still a work in progress,
I'm afraid.
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 05:03:59
From: muk
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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On 11 Sep 2006 20:39:27 -0700, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > :
>
>muk wrote:
>> >
>> >Funny, I'm working on the same thing. As I mentioned in Randy's
>> >thread, the pro had me work on keeping my right hand hinged
>> >back all the way through impact. That helped a lot all by itself.
>> >We worked a lot on coming into impact with the right palm
>> >facing down, and covering the ball, controlling the clubface.
>> >
>> >The other part of the puzzle seems to be to keep the hips turning
>> >through impact. This had the bad side-effect, for me at least,
>> >of causing the clubface to open. But the right wrist thing seems
>> >to be giving me back control of the clubface.
>> >
>> >There's a few other things he's had me tweak, too, so who
>> >knows what's causing what. I'm just on the verge of cracking
>> >this nut, so maybe I shouldn't post about it any more until it is a
>> >done deal. That may take a few more weeks.
>> >
>> >The good thing about doing this at Golftec, though, is I can see
>> >immediately after each swing if I am really doing what I feel
>> >like I am doing. And it is nice to be able to read out clubface
>> >angle, path, speed, etc. I can't imagine trying to do this
>> >on the range, purely by feel.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Seeing the swing on video does really help. The
>> pro puts me on video as well and this is good for feedback.
>
>Big progress during my lesson this week on the left wrist breakdown
>front. My regular pro was out of town, so the other pro substituted
>in his place. We spent a few minutes before starting talking
>about where I was at with my lessons, and what did I want to
>fix most about my swing. Right away I said the left arm breakdown.
>
>So he said, "OK take a swing and let's see what it looks like
>on video". "Well, here's your problem, your hips are only 16
>degrees open at impact, do you realize that the average pro's
>hips are 43 degrees open at impact?"
>
>Then we spent some time comparing various pros at impact,
>vs my sickening swing.
>
>Then he gave me the magic drill - actually a series of 4 drills.
>In the first drill, set up in a normal address position with the
>clubhead directly behind the ball. From there, without taking
>any backswing at all, swing forward to the finish position,
>leading with the hips and lower body. Make sure you end
>up with your hands high and the club wrapped around behind
>your head. You are trying to fling the ball as hard as you can.
>
>Drill 2: Do the same thing, but this time start with the clubhead
>resting on the ground about a foot behind the ball.
>
>Drill 3: Same thing again, but this time start with the club hip
>high, parallel to the ground and parallel to the target line.
>
>Drill 4: Same thing, but starting with the club in the "9:00"
>position (hands at 9:00, clubshaft pointing at the target line
>and 90 degrees to left arm, etc.)
>
>There is no backswing portion of these drills, other than to
>place the club in these positions prior to the drills. The drills
>are performed by forward motion only, and driven by the hips
>and lower body.
>
>If you have the same problem as me, you will have to really
>exaggerate the movement of the lower body and hips to
>get numbers anywhere close to the pros. But I doubled
>my hip turn to 32 degrees at impact after only a short session
>of practicing these drills, and the effects on the left wrist
>breakdown problem is incredible. I actually have some
>frames now showing extension after impact.
>
>Then I took some normal swings, and Shazzam! That's
>what I'm talking about!
>
>But, of course, not every time. Still a work in progress,
>I'm afraid.
heya BB thanks for this.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 00:07:56
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Need help with left wrist breakdown.
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> muk wrote:
> > >
> > >Funny, I'm working on the same thing. As I mentioned in Randy's
> > >thread, the pro had me work on keeping my right hand hinged
> > >back all the way through impact. That helped a lot all by itself.
> > >We worked a lot on coming into impact with the right palm
> > >facing down, and covering the ball, controlling the clubface.
> > >
> > >The other part of the puzzle seems to be to keep the hips turning
> > >through impact. This had the bad side-effect, for me at least,
> > >of causing the clubface to open. But the right wrist thing seems
> > >to be giving me back control of the clubface.
> > >
> > >There's a few other things he's had me tweak, too, so who
> > >knows what's causing what. I'm just on the verge of cracking
> > >this nut, so maybe I shouldn't post about it any more until it is a
> > >done deal. That may take a few more weeks.
> > >
> > >The good thing about doing this at Golftec, though, is I can see
> > >immediately after each swing if I am really doing what I feel
> > >like I am doing. And it is nice to be able to read out clubface
> > >angle, path, speed, etc. I can't imagine trying to do this
> > >on the range, purely by feel.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the info. Seeing the swing on video does really help. The
> > pro puts me on video as well and this is good for feedback.
>
> Big progress during my lesson this week on the left wrist breakdown
> front. My regular pro was out of town, so the other pro substituted
> in his place. We spent a few minutes before starting talking
> about where I was at with my lessons, and what did I want to
> fix most about my swing. Right away I said the left arm breakdown.
>
> So he said, "OK take a swing and let's see what it looks like
> on video". "Well, here's your problem, your hips are only 16
> degrees open at impact, do you realize that the average pro's
> hips are 43 degrees open at impact?"
>
> Then we spent some time comparing various pros at impact,
> vs my sickening swing.
>
> Then he gave me the magic drill - actually a series of 4 drills.
> In the first drill, set up in a normal address position with the
> clubhead directly behind the ball. From there, without taking
> any backswing at all, swing forward to the finish position,
> leading with the hips and lower body. Make sure you end
> up with your hands high and the club wrapped around behind
> your head. You are trying to fling the ball as hard as you can.
>
> Drill 2: Do the same thing, but this time start with the clubhead
> resting on the ground about a foot behind the ball.
>
> Drill 3: Same thing again, but this time start with the club hip
> high, parallel to the ground and parallel to the target line.
>
> Drill 4: Same thing, but starting with the club in the "9:00"
> position (hands at 9:00, clubshaft pointing at the target line
> and 90 degrees to left arm, etc.)
>
> There is no backswing portion of these drills, other than to
> place the club in these positions prior to the drills. The drills
> are performed by forward motion only, and driven by the hips
> and lower body.
>
> If you have the same problem as me, you will have to really
> exaggerate the movement of the lower body and hips to
> get numbers anywhere close to the pros. But I doubled
> my hip turn to 32 degrees at impact after only a short session
> of practicing these drills, and the effects on the left wrist
> breakdown problem is incredible. I actually have some
> frames now showing extension after impact.
>
> Then I took some normal swings, and Shazzam! That's
> what I'm talking about!
>
> But, of course, not every time. Still a work in progress,
> I'm afraid.
During my practice session today, while practicing "the drill"
and full swings, it suddenly occurred to me that I didn't need
to turn my hips quicker (although I'm sure that might help
distance) - what I really needed to do was to just change
the timing of my arm swing so that hips cleared first, before
the arms come through. In other words, just delay the
downswing. Instead of the right elbow coming to my side
at the start of the downswing, time it so that the elbow
comes down behind the right hip as it clears through.
Simple, easy, not a lot of effort, and the wrist flipping is
gone.
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