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Date: 05 Sep 2006 03:26:59
From: \R&B\
Subject: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Go ahead, have your fun.

http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm

(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)

Randy

Date: 05 Sep 2006 17:31:25
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
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> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm

Your swing is pretty good in terms of the fundamentals - steady head,
shoulder turn, stable base, weight shift, plane, etc. Playing in a closed
position is no big deal - just square it up and you'll instinctively swing
down the new correct line.

I don't like one thing about your setup because it encourages a problem you
have at impact, which is a collapsing left side and your right hand
"flipping" through (breakdown of left elbow and both wrists - not good
extension). Good extension can be very difficult to get right. But start
with a better setup - more solid hand position, and club more in line with
your left arm, instead of your arms forming a V and the club pointing right
up the middle of the V toward your chin - not solid without making good
compensations during your swing, which you're not making. You're making
good contact obviously - you've learned to - but stop it at a frame where
you're at impact, especially with the driver, and you'll see the breakdown
I'm talking about.

Date: 05 Sep 2006 23:37:16
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: My golf swing -- a frame-by-frame analysis

"jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:-PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Go ahead, have your fun.
>>
>> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> Your swing is pretty good in terms of the fundamentals - steady head,
> shoulder turn, stable base, weight shift, plane, etc. Playing in a closed
> position is no big deal - just square it up and you'll instinctively swing
> down the new correct line.
>
> I don't like one thing about your setup because it encourages a problem
> you have at impact, which is a collapsing left side and your right hand
> "flipping" through (breakdown of left elbow and both wrists - not good
> extension). Good extension can be very difficult to get right. But start
> with a better setup - more solid hand position, and club more in line with
> your left arm, instead of your arms forming a V and the club pointing
> right up the middle of the V toward your chin - not solid without making
> good compensations during your swing, which you're not making. You're
> making good contact obviously - you've learned to - but stop it at a frame
> where you're at impact, especially with the driver, and you'll see the
> breakdown I'm talking about.

Jeff,

I believe you hit the nail on the head. There are several problems with the
swing, most of which I hadn't seen on video. But boy, when I did, it really
surprised me. This matter of the left side breaking down is not the first
time I've seen it. I saw it in a still image Annika1980 took of me on the
tee a few years ago. But when doing a frame-by-frame analysis of the video,
which I have the luxury of being able to do, it really revealed a few
things.

I have isolated several frames of the video for the purpose of breaking it
down further and added them to the same web page as .jpg still images. Go
take a look and see if you don't agree with my analysis. When breaking it
down this way, I think I isolated some of the causes.

Of course while this makes for interesting fodder for discussion, the actual
DOING OF IT correctly is quite another matter.

(And it wouldn't hurt me to lose the paunch that seems to get in the way of
the throughswing.) :-)

Randy

Date: 06 Sep 2006 03:58:40
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: My golf swing -- a frame-by-frame analysis

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
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>
> I have isolated several frames of the video for the purpose of breaking it
> down further and added them to the same web page as .jpg still images. Go
> take a look and see if you don't agree with my analysis. When breaking it
> down this way, I think I isolated some of the causes.
>
> Of course while this makes for interesting fodder for discussion, the
> actual DOING OF IT correctly is quite another matter.

OK I agree with you on both counts
1) Your closed feet are probably causing more problem than I first thought
2) Actually "doing" extension is a tough nut to crack

I used to have the same problem (still do, just not too bad anymore). I'll
tell you what helped for me but I can't say it's the same for you. The
reason I think it might help is that you look the same at the top as I did.
i.e. very straight left arm - looks great to the naked eye, but actually it
was tense and rigid. Took me a long time to recognize the problem cause I
didn't think it was happening to me, and I always thought a straight left
arm at the top is desirable. But never at the cost of relaxation. It's
nice to have it straight, but it's a *must* to have it straight at impact,
and relaxing or lack of tension leads to good extension. If lack of tension
causes a bent left arm at the top, so be it. Bent at the top and straight
at impact is just fine, but the opposite is bad. Check out swing sequences
for Skip Kendall and Hank Keuhne to see what I'm talking about. Like I
said, that was my problem, might or might not be yours.

Date: 06 Sep 2006 12:23:10
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: My golf swing -- a frame-by-frame analysis

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
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> "jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NviLg.5644$Md4.2195@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> >
> > ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> > news:-PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >> Go ahead, have your fun.
> >>
> >> snip
> I believe you hit the nail on the head. There are several problems with
the
> swing, most of which I hadn't seen on video. But boy, when I did, it
really
> surprised me. This matter of the left side breaking down is not the first
> time I've seen it. I saw it in a still image Annika1980 took of me on the
> tee a few years ago. But when doing a frame-by-frame analysis of the
video,
> which I have the luxury of being able to do, it really revealed a few
> things.
>
> I have isolated several frames of the video for the purpose of breaking it
> down further and added them to the same web page as .jpg still images. Go
> take a look and see if you don't agree with my analysis. When breaking it
> down this way, I think I isolated some of the causes.
>
> Of course while this makes for interesting fodder for discussion, the
actual
> DOING OF IT correctly is quite another matter.
>
> (And it wouldn't hurt me to lose the paunch that seems to get in the way
of
> the throughswing.) :-)
>
> Randy

FWIW, a couple years ago I did a lot of drill work that helped my extension
a good bit. It was basically the old "L to L" drill and I did it hitting
golf balls - just start in the "L position" before impact and focus on
getting to a good "L position" after impact.

But it was a lot of balls and work to actually achieve a measure of
improvement.

dave

Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:02:11
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: My golf swing -- a frame-by-frame analysis

By the way, check out Henry Cotton's swing if you can find it. Talk about
lack of tension in the left arm at the top of the backswing! Incredible.
Here's a picture of a relaxed left arm at the top, not ramrod straight..
http://www.golfdigest.com/instruction/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200509secretofgolf2.html

Date: 05 Sep 2006 09:56:08
From:
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"R&B" wrote:
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy

Randy,
While I probably weigh a little less it is scary how similar we look.
Do you get the line I occaisionally get about short back swing?
Andy

Date: 05 Sep 2006 12:33:32
From: TJM
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Dear Lord!!

That was hideous.....you bring shame to yourself and the game of golf.
I suggest paid lessons from your local golf pro and lose the beer gut....it's
impeding your downswing.

On the other hand, you seem to be a real wiz when it comes to using Adobe
Premiere Pro and After Effects.....maybe you should think about giving up golf
and focusing on desktop video instead?

Cheers!! :-)

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:-PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy
>
>

Date: 05 Sep 2006 11:44:58
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:33:32 -0400, "TJM" <fuckoff@nospam.com > wrote:

>Dear Lord!!
>
>That was hideous.....you bring shame to yourself and the game of golf.
>I suggest paid lessons from your local golf pro and lose the beer gut....it's
>impeding your downswing.
>
Careful, careful. Otherwise you'll be pressed to post a video of your
swing....and the ensuing comments will reflect your insensitivity.

>On the other hand, you seem to be a real wiz when it comes to using Adobe
>Premiere Pro and After Effects.....maybe you should think about giving up golf
>and focusing on desktop video instead?
>
>Cheers!! :-)
>
Trust me. Adobe is way beneath his abilities. Video is his
profession.

Date: 06 Sep 2006 19:29:27
From:
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

>Trust me. Adobe is way beneath his abilities. Video is
>his profession.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Trivia;

who invented wide-screen lens?

>m h o
>=A0v =83e

>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0e s p r i t =A0d e =A0c o r p

Date: 05 Sep 2006 07:18:49
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

muk wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> :
>
> >Go ahead, have your fun.
> >
> >http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
> >
> >(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> >instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
> >
> >Randy
> >
>
> That is by far the best edited video footage I have seen. Hehehe
> "These guys suck".
>
> What did you use to make this?

Not only the edit, but the fact that he's capturing two cameras
realtime into his laptop.

AOL must pay too much!

Date: 05 Sep 2006 23:40:01
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>
> muk wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> :
>>
>> >Go ahead, have your fun.
>> >
>> >http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>> >
>> >(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>> >instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>> >
>> >Randy
>> >
>>
>> That is by far the best edited video footage I have seen. Hehehe
>> "These guys suck".
>>
>> What did you use to make this?
>
> Not only the edit, but the fact that he's capturing two cameras
> realtime into his laptop.

No laptop. I don't own a laptop.

Two cammies. with both video streams inserted into the frame as individual
picture-in-pictures. The two swings are simply sync'd up in post-production
and laid on top of some motion graphics I have available.

Randy

Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:02:52
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Oh Randy and that video camera.

I saw another post from him with video of his genitals, titled "Does
this look infected?"

Date: 05 Sep 2006 13:26:37
From: muk
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > :

>Go ahead, have your fun.
>
>http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
>Randy
>

That is by far the best edited video footage I have seen. Hehehe
"These guys suck".

What did you use to make this?

(Not good enough to comment on your swing.)

Date: 05 Sep 2006 23:38:18
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"muk" <mukhp@NOSPAMhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:lhuqf2davrh3li15inu07or6fctrkae5ge@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> :
>
>>Go ahead, have your fun.
>>
>>http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>>
>>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>>
>>Randy
>>
>
> That is by far the best edited video footage I have seen. Hehehe
> "These guys suck".
>
> What did you use to make this?

Avid.

And a few other tools I have available (I do video production on the side).

Randy

> (Not good enough to comment on your swing.)

Date: 05 Sep 2006 09:24:05
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

>Go ahead, have your fun.
>
>http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
>Randy
>

I am in no way qualified to comment on your swing. However, nice
anti-shank by the guy standing right in front of you prior to your
driver swing. You almost got beaned by that ball.
--

jvdp
The only way to beat me is to make a hole in one
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 05 Sep 2006 23:41:59
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

LOL! I just noticed that.

He *was* hitting it all over the place.

But then again, so was I.

Randy

"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>>Go ahead, have your fun.
>>
>>http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>>
>>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>>
>>Randy
>>
>
> I am in no way qualified to comment on your swing. However, nice
> anti-shank by the guy standing right in front of you prior to your
> driver swing. You almost got beaned by that ball.
> --
>
> jvdp
> The only way to beat me is to make a hole in one
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 05 Sep 2006 05:40:00
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"R&B" wrote:
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy

Randy, I see some good things in your swing. Not bad for
a "W" (like me, too). However, in at least some of the swings
the left arm is bent at impact, and there is
scooping going on.

It is hard to single-step through these small flash
sequences. Is it possible to provide an avi, or at least a
wmv of just one of the swings?

Date: 05 Sep 2006 11:20:08
From: Lopez Gomez
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in news:-
PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy
>
>

Not bad at all. Was amazed at the ability to produce a loud, sustained fart
before and during the 7 iron swing...

Lopez

Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:55:05
From: 3putt
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Date: 05 Sep 2006 08:59:34
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

3putt wrote:
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:-PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>>Go ahead, have your fun.
>>
>>http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>>
>>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>>
>>Randy
>
> Shifting the hands forward before the take-away.
>
>
That's called a forward press, and for many people is an excellent way
to initiate the swing, as it releases tension.

Mike

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Date: 05 Sep 2006 02:51:49
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"R&B" wrote:
> Go ahead, have your fun.
Looked like a useful swing to me. I=B4d expect a lower hdc. But then we
all swing better on the range. F

Date: 05 Sep 2006 20:50:03
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Birdie Bill wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
> > Go ahead, have your fun.
> >
> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
> >
> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
> >
> > Randy
>
> Randy, I see some good things in your swing. Not bad for
> a "W" (like me, too). However, in at least some of the swings
> the left arm is bent at impact, and there is
> scooping going on.
>
> It is hard to single-step through these small flash
> sequences. Is it possible to provide an avi, or at least a
> wmv of just one of the swings?

Randy, I saw your analysis on your webpage. Just a few
comments..

- First, I don't think it is necessarily wrong for you to be
a little closed. If you look at the LAWS book, they recommend
that W body types adopt a slightly closed stance, so
consider that anyway.

- I don't think the left arm breakdown is due to that. I focus
a lot on this because it is my major problem, too. My pro
tells me that it is due to not turning the hips enough prior
to impact, or stopping the hip turn just prior to impact.

If you look at your impact frame, notice that you are not
in the "two cheek" position at impact.

Now, fixing this is NOT easy. You may not have the
flexibility to do it, so maybe what you have is all you
are going to get, and just forget about it - go play
golf and work on your short game.

I've decided to take on the challenge, though. So far,
I've had mixed success. I get swings where my left
arm stays straight through impact, but the result of
my aggressive hip turn is that the clubface opens up.
So I need to make some clubface adjustments if I
continue down this road. But, I've always found
those much easier to make than fixing the flipping.

Date: 05 Sep 2006 15:21:31
From: Loudon Briggs
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

>Go ahead, have your fun.
>
>http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
>Randy

I feel you have a tendency to drop your too hands quickly as you
finish. This relaxation can eventually translate into affecting the
swing prior to the finish.

Also, it appears that the width of your stance is nearly the same for
the wedge and the long irons and driver. It's hard to hit a wedge
properly if your stance puts the ball in the middle, rather than
toward the back.
--

Loudon R. Briggs larebe@bbz.net Phoenix, AZ

"How Can You Not Like A Game Where It's Okay To
Get Teed Off, Tote A Six-Iron, Shoot Birdies,
and If You're Under Par It's A Great Day!"

(from "Frank & Ernest" by Bob Thaves -- used with permission)

Date: 05 Sep 2006 17:09:05
From: Alan Illeman
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Date: 05 Sep 2006 19:08:53
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

In article <12frpjaag1jl8df@news.supernews.com >,
"Alan Illeman" <illemann@surfbest.net > wrote:

> As you go through the clubs your
> feet get wider and wider

necessitating shoe changes on almost every hole

Date: 06 Sep 2006 04:14:17
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"The World Wide Wade" <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote in message
news:waderameyxiii-D91BDC.19085305092006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <12frpjaag1jl8df@news.supernews.com>,
> "Alan Illeman" <illemann@surfbest.net> wrote:
>
>> As you go through the clubs your
>> feet get wider and wider
>
> necessitating shoe changes on almost every hole

Good one.

Date: 05 Sep 2006 20:50:02
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:-PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy
>
>

Randy, your golf swing is completely hopeless, you don't know anything about
computers, your knowledge of the golf swing is smaller than your dick,
you're fat and ugly, no one ever reads anything that you post, and you are a
sandbagger who is completely unable to shoot a legitimate golf score that
even approaches your handicap.

There - that should just about cover all the stuff that seems to come up
when someone posts a swing for analysis/comment and hopefully will save
others some time and effort :-)

I'm not a swing expert (nor do I play one of TV), but I am also surprised
that someone who is a decent putter (such as you) isn't carrying a lower
handicap with that swing. It isn't a thing of beauty, but it would seem
pretty serviceable to me.

I was viewing it on an relatively old laptop, so details were hard to make
out. But it seemed like your right elbow was pretty late getting back to
your right side coming down (was looking at the driver swing in particular).
Something to look at and think about.

Nice video work.

dave

Date: 05 Sep 2006 23:46:27
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote t...
>
> ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> news:-PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Go ahead, have your fun.
>>
>> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>>
>> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>
> Randy, your golf swing is completely hopeless, you don't know anything
> about
> computers, your knowledge of the golf swing is smaller than your dick,
> you're fat and ugly, no one ever reads anything that you post, and you are
> a
> sandbagger who is completely unable to shoot a legitimate golf score that
> even approaches your handicap.
>
> There - that should just about cover all the stuff that seems to come up
> when someone posts a swing for analysis/comment and hopefully will save
> others some time and effort :-)
>
> I'm not a swing expert (nor do I play one of TV), but I am also surprised
> that someone who is a decent putter (such as you) isn't carrying a lower
> handicap with that swing. It isn't a thing of beauty, but it would seem
> pretty serviceable to me.

I just don't play as often as I used to. A few years ago when I was around
a 10 (and got it as low as a 7), I was playing all the time, and going to
the range once or twice a week.

But in the last three years, I've played very rarely. A 10 month layoff was
followed by a brief period where I played a few times for a month or so,
then I laid off again for almost 8 months. Only this year did I decide to
get back into it. But I havne't played with the same regularity as before.
I've probably only played about 20 rounds this year. Contrast that to a few
years ago when, by September, I would have played probably 100 or more
rounds already during the year.

It's hard to stay sharp when (a.) you don't play very often, and (b.) when
you have a horrible golf swing like mine. :-)

Still, you're right -- the swing is "serviceable" (more so on some days than
others). When I'm chipping and putting well, I can usually score better
than my ballstriking would lead you to believe I might.

Randy

> I was viewing it on an relatively old laptop, so details were hard to make
> out. But it seemed like your right elbow was pretty late getting back to
> your right side coming down (was looking at the driver swing in
> particular).
> Something to look at and think about.
>
> Nice video work.
>
> dave
>
>
>

Date: 05 Sep 2006 23:11:01
From: Dave Clary
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

>>>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>>>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)

And I'm sure it will include TGM's First Imperative:

Flat Left Wrist!!

Get thee to the Impact Bag! :-)

Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx
Home: http://davidclary.com
Kinky for Texas Gov
"Why The Hell Not"

P.S. Nice production work!

Date: 05 Sep 2006 15:57:49
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:50:02 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
>
>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>> Go ahead, have your fun.

>> Randy
>
>Randy, your golf swing is completely hopeless, you don't know anything about
>computers, your knowledge of the golf swing is smaller than your dick,
>you're fat and ugly, no one ever reads anything that you post, and you are a
>sandbagger who is completely unable to shoot a legitimate golf score that
>even approaches your handicap.
>
That just about says it all, except that he's also a prick. :-)
___,
\o

Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:46:41
From:
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

jeffc wrote:
> You're making
> good contact obviously - you've learned to - but stop it at a frame where
> you're at impact, especially with the driver, and you'll see the breakdown
> I'm talking about.

good point, the left arm doesn't stay straight through impact, ideally
both arms would be straightening just beyond impact, instead the
left arm is withdrawing. It sorta looks like the hips stop turning
through the ball too soon...

-PA

Date: 06 Sep 2006 08:38:36
From: larryrsf
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"R&B" wrote:
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy

I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.

We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
golf swing video is just a waste of time.

But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!

So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
either!

Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.

Larry

Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

In article <1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:

> "R&B" wrote:
> > Go ahead, have your fun.
> >
> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
> >
> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
> >
> > Randy
>
> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
> ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
> is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
> goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.
>
> We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
> discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
> golf swing video is just a waste of time.
>
> But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
> golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
> great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
> after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
> results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
> recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!
>
> So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
> your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
> for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
> Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
> either!
>
> Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.
>
> Larry

So now you're not only qualified to speak about individual concepts of
the golf swing and how best to achieve a good one. Now, you're actually
capable of absolute statements about entire teaching tools, such as
video?

Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?

Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:37:53
From: Dave Clary
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org > wrote:

>
>
>Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?

No, but he is the most successful troll in RSG history and probably
ranks with Usenet's all time greats!!

Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx
Home: http://davidclary.com
Kinky for Texas Gov
"Why The Hell Not"

Date: 07 Sep 2006 03:48:44
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

In article <ct4vf25oohcndgls3kk7pt60l93v8365ss@4ax.com >,
Dave Clary <dclary@stx.rr.com > wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?
>
> No, but he is the most successful troll in RSG history and probably
> ranks with Usenet's all time greats!!

Undoubtedly. The sad part of course is that he thinks that that is
something to be proud of (sorry, Larry "of which to be proud").

>
> Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx
> Home: http://davidclary.com
> Kinky for Texas Gov
> "Why The Hell Not"

BTW, insert a "-- " on a separate line above your sig and newsreaders
that are properly written will automatically snip it in replies...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:47:08
From: larry
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org > wrote:

>In article <1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>
>> "R&B" wrote:
>> > Go ahead, have your fun.
>> >
>> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>> >
>> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>> >
>> > Randy
>>
>> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
>> ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
>> is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
>> goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.
>>
>> We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
>> discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
>> golf swing video is just a waste of time.
>>
>> But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
>> golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
>> great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
>> after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
>> results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
>> recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!
>>
>> So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
>> your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
>> for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
>> Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
>> either!
>>
>> Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.
>>
>> Larry
>
>So now you're not only qualified to speak about individual concepts of
>the golf swing and how best to achieve a good one. Now, you're actually
>capable of absolute statements about entire teaching tools, such as
>video?
>
>Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?

golf is "not rocket science." I am ashamed it took me this long to
figure out the dynamics of mind over golf.

I could teach STC-- because a good instructor just stands there and
lets the student teach himself-- primarily by forbidding him to focus
on physical excuses, trivial details, etc. When he can only think of
target, eventually every student finds the swing thought that produces
good shots consistently. You will also, or you will quit.

larry

Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:39:48
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:qjcuf257n0haqmtnp7lsh9vojcfu316tud@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>
>>In article <1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "R&B" wrote:
>>> > Go ahead, have your fun.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>>> >
>>> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>>> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>>> >
>>> > Randy
>>>
>>> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
>>> ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
>>> is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
>>> goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.
>>>
>>> We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
>>> discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
>>> golf swing video is just a waste of time.
>>>
>>> But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
>>> golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
>>> great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
>>> after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
>>> results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
>>> recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!
>>>
>>> So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
>>> your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
>>> for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
>>> Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
>>> either!
>>>
>>> Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>
>>So now you're not only qualified to speak about individual concepts of
>>the golf swing and how best to achieve a good one. Now, you're actually
>>capable of absolute statements about entire teaching tools, such as
>>video?
>>
>>Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?
>
> golf is "not rocket science." I am ashamed it took me this long to
> figure out the dynamics of mind over golf.
>
> I could teach STC-- because a good instructor just stands there and
> lets the student teach himself-- primarily by forbidding him to focus
> on physical excuses, trivial details, etc. When he can only think of
> target, eventually every student finds the swing thought that produces
> good shots consistently. You will also, or you will quit.

Larry, for some this minimalist approach is the right way to go. I won't
argue against it for a lot of people. And certainly for those who don't
wish to be a "student of the game," but merely play to have fun, it's
probably the simplest, most effective approach.

Last week when I was getting fitted for new clubs, the guy who I was working
with was a fellow who fancied himself as one day being a TOUR player. He's
good enough that he's gotten into some TOUR events as a Monday qualifier, so
he's obviously got some game. I watched as he hit a few 6-irons into the
simulator and the yardage was calculated on-screen as over 200 yards.
Meanwhile, my dinky little 6-irons were counting up to around 140...150 or
thereabouts. I remarked to him that he must be laughing inside while
watching me swing. "No," he said, "everybody plays the game differently,
and for different reasons."

And therein lies the rub. You assume that everyone plays the game for the
same reasons you do, and that their motivations are the same. You also
assume that the way you process information is the same way everyone else
does. I'm quite sure neither is true.

I have never asserted in this newsgroup that I'm any good, only that I can
putt your eyes out. I do understand the mechanics of the golf swing, and it
fascinates me to such a degree that learning to play better -- which for me,
makes it more enjoyable -- is what I like to do. Having not had much time
to devote to golf in the past couple years, I'm just now getting back into
it, and my swing shows a lot of rust resulting from inactivity and a lack of
attention to fundamentals, practice and working through some bad tendencies.

For what it's worth, several years ago (gee, it's been almost 10 years now,
well, 9 to be exact), I was playing the best golf of my life. Had the hdcp
down to a 7 (unofficial). It was a direct result of reading a book written
by my golf instructor, which broke the swing down into very mechanical
drawings -- almost a "physics" approach to the swing. You can say what you
will about "just going out and focusing on the target," but for people like
me, whose brains are wired a little differently than yours, the more
analytical approach works best. I've always been the type of person who
needs to understand "why" something works, not merely that it does. I was
the same way with my bowling when I was a card-carrying member of the PBA.

It's simply a fact that some people respond better to different teaching
stimuli. What may work best for you (and certain others) won't work for
everyone.

As for your simplistic assertion that "golf is not 'rocket science,'" all I
can really say is that the golf swing is not, by any stretch, an "intuitive"
thing, either. Therefore, it requires some amount of study and
understanding to fully appreciate what goes on in an effective swing.

You may be perfectly happy shooting in the 90s when you play, as I know some
are. But as the guy who fit me for golf clubs said, "not everyone plays
golf the same way, or for the same reasons." When I shoot in the 90s, I'm
pissed. Really pissed. Because I know, despite what my swing video may
reveal, I'm better than that. I may not have the most picture-perfect
swing, but as someone correctly observed, I've learned to play with it, and
I usually shoot in the low 80s, and occasionally shoot in the 70s. Back
when I was playing a lot (and practicing more than occasionally), I would
shoot in the 70s about half the time. I'd like to get back to that, or
somewhere close. But it won't happen by merely "focusing on the target."

Believe me, I'm always focused on the target. It is, in fact, the ONE thing
I'm good at focusing on.

But when you use a swing that is fundamentally flawed (as mine is right
now), all the focus in the world on the target isn't going to help much.

But thanks for sharing your perspective anyway.

Randy

Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:42:41
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:vZOdnRDbsZO83WLZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Randy

Randy

There is a lot to like in your swing.
The thing I like best is that your swing stays consistent club to club.
I like Alan's comments about you being above plane. You are.
Well more exactly, you are flat, and outside the plane on the take-up and
downstroke.
< The low end of your club points outside the ball to target line >
It takes a correction to get back on plane. by impact. If you don't, you
come in steep, lose lag, flip the hands, and lose the flat left wrist. It'll
show that your hands are not leading through impact, and the shaft will be
closer to mid-body at impact.
I'd take the club back with the butt-end staying inside.

Date: 06 Sep 2006 16:38:56
From: larry
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:39:48 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>news:qjcuf257n0haqmtnp7lsh9vojcfu316tud@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "R&B" wrote:
>>>> > Go ahead, have your fun.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>>>> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>>>> >
>>>> > Randy
>>>>
>>>> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
>>>> ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
>>>> is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
>>>> goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.
>>>>
>>>> We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
>>>> discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
>>>> golf swing video is just a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
>>>> golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
>>>> great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
>>>> after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
>>>> results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
>>>> recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!
>>>>
>>>> So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
>>>> your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
>>>> for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
>>>> Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
>>>> either!
>>>>
>>>> Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>
>>>So now you're not only qualified to speak about individual concepts of
>>>the golf swing and how best to achieve a good one. Now, you're actually
>>>capable of absolute statements about entire teaching tools, such as
>>>video?
>>>
>>>Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?
>>
>> golf is "not rocket science." I am ashamed it took me this long to
>> figure out the dynamics of mind over golf.
>>
>> I could teach STC-- because a good instructor just stands there and
>> lets the student teach himself-- primarily by forbidding him to focus
>> on physical excuses, trivial details, etc. When he can only think of
>> target, eventually every student finds the swing thought that produces
>> good shots consistently. You will also, or you will quit.
>
>
>
>Larry, for some this minimalist approach is the right way to go. I won't
>argue against it for a lot of people. And certainly for those who don't
>wish to be a "student of the game," but merely play to have fun, it's
>probably the simplest, most effective approach.
>
>Last week when I was getting fitted for new clubs, the guy who I was working
>with was a fellow who fancied himself as one day being a TOUR player. He's
>good enough that he's gotten into some TOUR events as a Monday qualifier, so
>he's obviously got some game. I watched as he hit a few 6-irons into the
>simulator and the yardage was calculated on-screen as over 200 yards.
>Meanwhile, my dinky little 6-irons were counting up to around 140...150 or
>thereabouts. I remarked to him that he must be laughing inside while
>watching me swing. "No," he said, "everybody plays the game differently,
>and for different reasons."
>
>And therein lies the rub. You assume that everyone plays the game for the
>same reasons you do, and that their motivations are the same. You also
>assume that the way you process information is the same way everyone else
>does. I'm quite sure neither is true.
>
>I have never asserted in this newsgroup that I'm any good, only that I can
>putt your eyes out. I do understand the mechanics of the golf swing, and it
>fascinates me to such a degree that learning to play better -- which for me,
>makes it more enjoyable -- is what I like to do. Having not had much time
>to devote to golf in the past couple years, I'm just now getting back into
>it, and my swing shows a lot of rust resulting from inactivity and a lack of
>attention to fundamentals, practice and working through some bad tendencies.
>
>For what it's worth, several years ago (gee, it's been almost 10 years now,
>well, 9 to be exact), I was playing the best golf of my life. Had the hdcp
>down to a 7 (unofficial). It was a direct result of reading a book written
>by my golf instructor, which broke the swing down into very mechanical
>drawings -- almost a "physics" approach to the swing. You can say what you
>will about "just going out and focusing on the target," but for people like
>me, whose brains are wired a little differently than yours, the more
>analytical approach works best. I've always been the type of person who
>needs to understand "why" something works, not merely that it does. I was
>the same way with my bowling when I was a card-carrying member of the PBA.
>
>It's simply a fact that some people respond better to different teaching
>stimuli. What may work best for you (and certain others) won't work for
>everyone.
>
>As for your simplistic assertion that "golf is not 'rocket science,'" all I
>can really say is that the golf swing is not, by any stretch, an "intuitive"
>thing, either. Therefore, it requires some amount of study and
>understanding to fully appreciate what goes on in an effective swing.
>
>You may be perfectly happy shooting in the 90s when you play, as I know some
>are. But as the guy who fit me for golf clubs said, "not everyone plays
>golf the same way, or for the same reasons." When I shoot in the 90s, I'm
>pissed. Really pissed. Because I know, despite what my swing video may
>reveal, I'm better than that. I may not have the most picture-perfect
>swing, but as someone correctly observed, I've learned to play with it, and
>I usually shoot in the low 80s, and occasionally shoot in the 70s. Back
>when I was playing a lot (and practicing more than occasionally), I would
>shoot in the 70s about half the time. I'd like to get back to that, or
>somewhere close. But it won't happen by merely "focusing on the target."
>
>Believe me, I'm always focused on the target. It is, in fact, the ONE thing
>I'm good at focusing on.
>
>But when you use a swing that is fundamentally flawed (as mine is right
>now), all the focus in the world on the target isn't going to help much.
>
>But thanks for sharing your perspective anyway.
>
>Randy

My handicap is 8.8 and on its way down fast. The only reason I didn't
shoot par the last several rounds was poor putting after I hit the GIR
after hitting ALL the fairways. I was lining up with my putter
closed--missed almost half birdie putts to the right-- Someone finally
told me and I will fix that tomorrow.

But FYI, I really don't even like golf. Tennis is a far better and
quicker workout-- and leaves the remainder of Saturday morning free to
go to garage sales, my real passion.

I started golf expecting to beat it by figuring it out-- some here
remember my finding "the secret" a dozen times as I struggled through
various methods, SLAP, etc.

I should have stuck with STC-- which is the "one true church" as some
term their religion, ha. Ernest Jones learned that the mental
approach, when properly channeled and utilized, is the fastest path to
good golf. He was right--in 1928! The mind can accomplish wonders.
Likely that is because so much of the golf swing is done at the
consciously uncontrollable level-- controlled only by our subconscious
and thus by pre-planning-- or "programming" if you will. That is
world's different from bowling.

Accordingly I strongly believe the whole enchilada of the full swing
is a single swing thought-- the golfer simply finds what works and
then calls that up and does it again--and again for a career. Those
who become champions, the Gene Littlers of the world, NEVER waver.
They don't tinker with their swing and they don't experiment. He has
NEVER looked at a video of a golf swing or a golf magazine in 55
years!

I have adopted his swing thought--and it seems to be working for me
also. From now on I won't experiment either.

Larry

>

Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:59:14
From: Dave Clary
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:38:56 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:

>Accordingly I strongly believe the whole enchilada of the full swing
>is a single swing thought-- the golfer simply finds what works and
>then calls that up and does it again--and again for a career. Those
>who become champions, the Gene Littlers of the world, NEVER waver.
>They don't tinker with their swing and they don't experiment. H

That would explain why he has more wins and majors that
swing-tinkering Woods guy!

Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx
Home: http://davidclary.com
Kinky for Texas Gov
"Why The Hell Not"

Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:16:36
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

In article <e5muf2pq3insd875gi258db7ocoole8nb7@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:39:48 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> >"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> >news:qjcuf257n0haqmtnp7lsh9vojcfu316tud@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "R&B" wrote:
> >>>> > Go ahead, have your fun.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
> >>>> >
> >>>> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> >>>> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Randy
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
> >>>> ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
> >>>> is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
> >>>> goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.
> >>>>
> >>>> We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
> >>>> discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
> >>>> golf swing video is just a waste of time.
> >>>>
> >>>> But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
> >>>> golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
> >>>> great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
> >>>> after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
> >>>> results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
> >>>> recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!
> >>>>
> >>>> So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
> >>>> your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
> >>>> for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
> >>>> Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
> >>>> either!
> >>>>
> >>>> Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>So now you're not only qualified to speak about individual concepts of
> >>>the golf swing and how best to achieve a good one. Now, you're actually
> >>>capable of absolute statements about entire teaching tools, such as
> >>>video?
> >>>
> >>>Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?
> >>
> >> golf is "not rocket science." I am ashamed it took me this long to
> >> figure out the dynamics of mind over golf.
> >>
> >> I could teach STC-- because a good instructor just stands there and
> >> lets the student teach himself-- primarily by forbidding him to focus
> >> on physical excuses, trivial details, etc. When he can only think of
> >> target, eventually every student finds the swing thought that produces
> >> good shots consistently. You will also, or you will quit.
> >
> >
> >
> >Larry, for some this minimalist approach is the right way to go. I won't
> >argue against it for a lot of people. And certainly for those who don't
> >wish to be a "student of the game," but merely play to have fun, it's
> >probably the simplest, most effective approach.
> >
> >Last week when I was getting fitted for new clubs, the guy who I was working
> >with was a fellow who fancied himself as one day being a TOUR player. He's
> >good enough that he's gotten into some TOUR events as a Monday qualifier, so
> >he's obviously got some game. I watched as he hit a few 6-irons into the
> >simulator and the yardage was calculated on-screen as over 200 yards.
> >Meanwhile, my dinky little 6-irons were counting up to around 140...150 or
> >thereabouts. I remarked to him that he must be laughing inside while
> >watching me swing. "No," he said, "everybody plays the game differently,
> >and for different reasons."
> >
> >And therein lies the rub. You assume that everyone plays the game for the
> >same reasons you do, and that their motivations are the same. You also
> >assume that the way you process information is the same way everyone else
> >does. I'm quite sure neither is true.
> >
> >I have never asserted in this newsgroup that I'm any good, only that I can
> >putt your eyes out. I do understand the mechanics of the golf swing, and it
> >fascinates me to such a degree that learning to play better -- which for me,
> >makes it more enjoyable -- is what I like to do. Having not had much time
> >to devote to golf in the past couple years, I'm just now getting back into
> >it, and my swing shows a lot of rust resulting from inactivity and a lack of
> >attention to fundamentals, practice and working through some bad tendencies.
> >
> >For what it's worth, several years ago (gee, it's been almost 10 years now,
> >well, 9 to be exact), I was playing the best golf of my life. Had the hdcp
> >down to a 7 (unofficial). It was a direct result of reading a book written
> >by my golf instructor, which broke the swing down into very mechanical
> >drawings -- almost a "physics" approach to the swing. You can say what you
> >will about "just going out and focusing on the target," but for people like
> >me, whose brains are wired a little differently than yours, the more
> >analytical approach works best. I've always been the type of person who
> >needs to understand "why" something works, not merely that it does. I was
> >the same way with my bowling when I was a card-carrying member of the PBA.
> >
> >It's simply a fact that some people respond better to different teaching
> >stimuli. What may work best for you (and certain others) won't work for
> >everyone.
> >
> >As for your simplistic assertion that "golf is not 'rocket science,'" all I
> >can really say is that the golf swing is not, by any stretch, an "intuitive"
> >thing, either. Therefore, it requires some amount of study and
> >understanding to fully appreciate what goes on in an effective swing.
> >
> >You may be perfectly happy shooting in the 90s when you play, as I know some
> >are. But as the guy who fit me for golf clubs said, "not everyone plays
> >golf the same way, or for the same reasons." When I shoot in the 90s, I'm
> >pissed. Really pissed. Because I know, despite what my swing video may
> >reveal, I'm better than that. I may not have the most picture-perfect
> >swing, but as someone correctly observed, I've learned to play with it, and
> >I usually shoot in the low 80s, and occasionally shoot in the 70s. Back
> >when I was playing a lot (and practicing more than occasionally), I would
> >shoot in the 70s about half the time. I'd like to get back to that, or
> >somewhere close. But it won't happen by merely "focusing on the target."
> >
> >Believe me, I'm always focused on the target. It is, in fact, the ONE thing
> >I'm good at focusing on.
> >
> >But when you use a swing that is fundamentally flawed (as mine is right
> >now), all the focus in the world on the target isn't going to help much.
> >
> >But thanks for sharing your perspective anyway.
> >
> >Randy
>
> My handicap is 8.8 and on its way down fast. The only reason I didn't
> shoot par the last several rounds was poor putting after I hit the GIR
> after hitting ALL the fairways. I was lining up with my putter
> closed--missed almost half birdie putts to the right-- Someone finally
> told me and I will fix that tomorrow.

So you hit all the greens in regulation, did you?

>
> But FYI, I really don't even like golf. Tennis is a far better and
> quicker workout-- and leaves the remainder of Saturday morning free to
> go to garage sales, my real passion.

Riiiiiiiight. Those grapes were sour anyway.

>
> I started golf expecting to beat it by figuring it out-- some here
> remember my finding "the secret" a dozen times as I struggled through
> various methods, SLAP, etc.
>
> I should have stuck with STC-- which is the "one true church" as some
> term their religion, ha. Ernest Jones learned that the mental
> approach, when properly channeled and utilized, is the fastest path to
> good golf. He was right--in 1928! The mind can accomplish wonders.
> Likely that is because so much of the golf swing is done at the
> consciously uncontrollable level-- controlled only by our subconscious
> and thus by pre-planning-- or "programming" if you will. That is
> world's different from bowling.
>
> Accordingly I strongly believe the whole enchilada of the full swing
> is a single swing thought-- the golfer simply finds what works and
> then calls that up and does it again--and again for a career. Those
> who become champions, the Gene Littlers of the world, NEVER waver.
> They don't tinker with their swing and they don't experiment. He has
> NEVER looked at a video of a golf swing or a golf magazine in 55
> years!
>
> I have adopted his swing thought--and it seems to be working for me
> also. From now on I won't experiment either.

Why are you playing at all? You don't eve like golf, remember?

Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:48:45
From: larry
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:16:36 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org > wrote:
>
>Why are you playing at all? You don't eve like golf, remember?

I play because it is a challenge. I endeavored to learn the golf
swing, i.e. to enable myself to hit every fairway and every green
because that challenge was there-- and it was something guys my age
could do. I taught myself to do it also. I play Hale Irwin golf.
Not far, but never out of the fairway.

I will be able to score in golf at any course anywhere without warmup
even though I don't play or practice regularly-- I will be a tennis
player who can almost shoot scratch when he condescends to play golf--
and I will take ALL your money if you have the guts to bet. I have
out-smarted your game.

Larry (the KING of RSG)

Date: 07 Sep 2006 03:02:37
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:g8uuf2lo622qvi9fqghq0p6s0jhqok88o4@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:16:36 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>>
>>Why are you playing at all? You don't eve like golf, remember?
>
> I play because it is a challenge. I endeavored to learn the golf
> swing, i.e. to enable myself to hit every fairway and every green
> because that challenge was there-- and it was something guys my age
> could do. I taught myself to do it also. I play Hale Irwin golf.
> Not far, but never out of the fairway.
>
> I will be able to score in golf at any course anywhere without warmup
> even though I don't play or practice regularly-- I will be a tennis
> player who can almost shoot scratch when he condescends to play golf--
> and I will take ALL your money if you have the guts to bet.

Sparky took you up on a bet and you chickened out. You wanted to bet for a
six-figure sum and Sparky got backers to cover him and you would not go
through with it.

So are you still not a man of your word or have you had a change of heart
and decided that you will play Sparky for big bucks and "take ALL" of his
money?

Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:10:54
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:02:37 GMT, "The poster formerly known as
Colleyville Alan" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote:

>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>news:g8uuf2lo622qvi9fqghq0p6s0jhqok88o4@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:16:36 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Why are you playing at all? You don't eve like golf, remember?
>>
>> I play because it is a challenge. I endeavored to learn the golf
>> swing, i.e. to enable myself to hit every fairway and every green
>> because that challenge was there-- and it was something guys my age
>> could do. I taught myself to do it also. I play Hale Irwin golf.
>> Not far, but never out of the fairway.
>>
>> I will be able to score in golf at any course anywhere without warmup
>> even though I don't play or practice regularly-- I will be a tennis
>> player who can almost shoot scratch when he condescends to play golf--
>> and I will take ALL your money if you have the guts to bet.
>
>Sparky took you up on a bet and you chickened out. You wanted to bet for a
>six-figure sum and Sparky got backers to cover him and you would not go
>through with it.
>
>So are you still not a man of your word or have you had a change of heart
>and decided that you will play Sparky for big bucks and "take ALL" of his
>money?
>
The Clown Prince of RSG also reneged on a bet with Glfnaz. He has no
culones.
___,
\o

Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:27:52
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:nc3vf21meonb63qtdsluuh4781mgqug3lq@4ax.com...
> The Clown Prince of RSG also reneged on a bet with Glfnaz. He has no
> culones.
> bk
Yeah, he bet me 1000.00 I couldn't breal 100 from his white tees,

Date: 07 Sep 2006 11:27:15
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:nc3vf21meonb63qtdsluuh4781mgqug3lq@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:02:37 GMT, "The poster formerly known as
> Colleyville Alan" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message
>>news:g8uuf2lo622qvi9fqghq0p6s0jhqok88o4@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:16:36 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Why are you playing at all? You don't eve like golf, remember?
>>>
>>> I play because it is a challenge. I endeavored to learn the golf
>>> swing, i.e. to enable myself to hit every fairway and every green
>>> because that challenge was there-- and it was something guys my age
>>> could do. I taught myself to do it also. I play Hale Irwin golf.
>>> Not far, but never out of the fairway.
>>>
>>> I will be able to score in golf at any course anywhere without warmup
>>> even though I don't play or practice regularly-- I will be a tennis
>>> player who can almost shoot scratch when he condescends to play golf--
>>> and I will take ALL your money if you have the guts to bet.
>>
>>Sparky took you up on a bet and you chickened out. You wanted to bet for
>>a
>>six-figure sum and Sparky got backers to cover him and you would not go
>>through with it.
>>
>>So are you still not a man of your word or have you had a change of heart
>>and decided that you will play Sparky for big bucks and "take ALL" of his
>>money?
>>
> The Clown Prince of RSG also reneged on a bet with Glfnaz. He has no
> culones.

He's also the idiot that said in this very same thread that the idea of
playing straight up was ridiculous. Now he can score at any course without
a warmup. I'd love to see him bring it on!

Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:55:31
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

In article <g8uuf2lo622qvi9fqghq0p6s0jhqok88o4@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 01:16:36 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
> >
> >Why are you playing at all? You don't eve like golf, remember?
>
> I play because it is a challenge. I endeavored to learn the golf
> swing, i.e. to enable myself to hit every fairway and every green
> because that challenge was there-- and it was something guys my age
> could do. I taught myself to do it also. I play Hale Irwin golf.
> Not far, but never out of the fairway.

Bullshit.

>
> I will be able to score in golf at any course anywhere without warmup
> even though I don't play or practice regularly-- I will be a tennis
> player who can almost shoot scratch when he condescends to play golf--
> and I will take ALL your money if you have the guts to bet. I have
> out-smarted your game.
>
> Larry (the KING of RSG)

More bullshit.

Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:05:20
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:59:51
From: Ernie
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

In article <qjcuf257n0haqmtnp7lsh9vojcfu316tud@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "R&B" wrote:
> >> > Go ahead, have your fun.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
> >> >
> >> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> >> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
> >> >
> >> > Randy
> >>
> >> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
> >> ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
> >> is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
> >> goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.
> >>
> >> We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
> >> discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
> >> golf swing video is just a waste of time.
> >>
> >> But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
> >> golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
> >> great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
> >> after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
> >> results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
> >> recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!
> >>
> >> So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
> >> your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
> >> for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
> >> Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
> >> either!
> >>
> >> Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >So now you're not only qualified to speak about individual concepts of
> >the golf swing and how best to achieve a good one. Now, you're actually
> >capable of absolute statements about entire teaching tools, such as
> >video?
> >
> >Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?
>
> golf is "not rocket science." I am ashamed it took me this long to
> figure out the dynamics of mind over golf.
>
> I could teach STC-- because a good instructor just stands there and
> lets the student teach himself-- primarily by forbidding him to focus
> on physical excuses, trivial details, etc. When he can only think of
> target, eventually every student finds the swing thought that produces
> good shots consistently. You will also, or you will quit.
>
> larry

Sorry, Larry, but I think you don't have a clue. The instructor just
stands there, does he? Golfers don't think about the target, do they?

What utter nonsense.

Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:58:22
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

In article <qjcuf257n0haqmtnp7lsh9vojcfu316tud@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:56 GMT, Ernie <ernie@pga.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > "larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "R&B" wrote:
> >> > Go ahead, have your fun.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
> >> >
> >> > (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> >> > instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
> >> >
> >> > Randy
> >>
> >> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter. What a good instructor would
> >> ask is, "what are you trying to do?" He needs to know what your goal
> >> is-- and what your swing thought is. He would then help you find the
> >> goal and swing thought that produces a good swing.
> >>
> >> We can't discern that by watching you swing- nor can you or anyone
> >> discern that by watching anyone else-- thus 'reverse engineering' a
> >> golf swing video is just a waste of time.
> >>
> >> But that goal and that swing thought are the whole enchilada about the
> >> golf swing. Golf is 99% mental--and the rest is in our mind. Any
> >> great golfer will tell you that he developed a good golf swing only
> >> after he discovered the swing thought that produces consistent good
> >> results. Champions become consistent enough to win when they learn to
> >> recall that swing thought every time--and quit experimenting!
> >>
> >> So since you cannot communicate what you actually feel-- and because
> >> your swing thought will likely not work for others, there is nothing
> >> for us to learn by watching the image of you swinging. And like Hale
> >> Irwin, there is nothing for you to learn by watching yourself swing
> >> either!
> >>
> >> Which is what Ernest Jones said in "Swing the Clubhead" in 1928.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >So now you're not only qualified to speak about individual concepts of
> >the golf swing and how best to achieve a good one. Now, you're actually
> >capable of absolute statements about entire teaching tools, such as
> >video?
> >
> >Wow. You must be a really great teaching pro, right?
>
> golf is "not rocket science." I am ashamed it took me this long to
> figure out the dynamics of mind over golf.
>
> I could teach STC-- because a good instructor just stands there and
> lets the student teach himself-- primarily by forbidding him to focus
> on physical excuses, trivial details, etc. When he can only think of
> target, eventually every student finds the swing thought that produces
> good shots consistently. You will also, or you will quit.
>
> larry

Please. You think it's that easy, try it.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:02:59
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"larryrsf" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:1157557116.044143.9620@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> I haven't looked, but it doesn't matter.

Idiot.

Date: 06 Sep 2006 09:18:15
From: Alan Murphy
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:49:18
From:
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"R&B" wrote:
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy

Remember this, golf is ALL opinion..-)

I see a useful swing with lots of good components. I would think you
keep the ball in play alot, and the only thing that would keep you away
from going real low, would be your distance.

On that note, I would try to make my release longer and later. I
wouldn't make it seemingly just the same tempo going back and coming
through. I believe in loading on backswing only, and the downswing the
time to have some snap in that release and extend it. Your swing seems
a little flat in that I don't ever see the club going over your head,
but I only see that as a potential negative when starting the
downswing. I think the 'down move' from the top instead of the 'around
move' creates a little more feeling for tempo, is all. That was a
really nice put together film.

A good timed release will have the elbows coming together after the
impact area. I would as a driving range drill, try to just hit and
extend into the three o'clock postion, and not worry about the
afterwards.

CJ

Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:40:47
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"R&B" wrote:
> > For what it's worth, several years ago (gee, it's been almost 10 years =
now,
> well, 9 to be exact), I was playing the best golf of my life. Had the hd=
cp
> down to a 7 (unofficial). It was a direct result of reading a book writt=
en
> by my golf instructor, which broke the swing down into very mechanical
> drawings -- almost a "physics" approach to the swing. You can say what y=
ou
> will about "just going out and focusing on the target," but for people li=
ke
> me, whose brains are wired a little differently than yours, the more
> analytical approach works best. I've always been the type of person who
> needs to understand "why" something works, not merely that it does. I was
> the same way with my bowling when I was a card-carrying member of the PBA.
You and I are in all probability very different persons but when it
comes to golf we are strangely similar. Like you I rely on analytical
thinking. The intuitive, gestalt approach which Larry seems to favour
is not for me. And it=B4s with great sadness that I must admit that
probably his approach is far more conducive to good golf than is mine.
I=B4ve known so many good golfers who did preciously little analysis.
Almost from the first shaky touch of iron they were good. Did they, by
some dint of nature, fancy a fortunate image of the swing which eluded
me and you? F

Date: 06 Sep 2006 19:57:51
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157582447.487579.315400@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

"R&B" wrote:
> > For what it's worth, several years ago (gee, it's been almost 10 years
> > now,
> well, 9 to be exact), I was playing the best golf of my life. Had the
> hdcp
> down to a 7 (unofficial). It was a direct result of reading a book
> written
> by my golf instructor, which broke the swing down into very mechanical
> drawings -- almost a "physics" approach to the swing. You can say what
> you
> will about "just going out and focusing on the target," but for people
> like
> me, whose brains are wired a little differently than yours, the more
> analytical approach works best. I've always been the type of person who
> needs to understand "why" something works, not merely that it does. I was
> the same way with my bowling when I was a card-carrying member of the PBA.
You and I are in all probability very different persons but when it
comes to golf we are strangely similar. Like you I rely on analytical
thinking. The intuitive, gestalt approach which Larry seems to favour
is not for me. And it�s with great sadness that I must admit that
probably his approach is far more conducive to good golf than is mine.
I�ve known so many good golfers who did preciously little analysis.
Almost from the first shaky touch of iron they were good. Did they, by
some dint of nature, fancy a fortunate image of the swing which eluded
me and you? F

____________________

I would just add this...and in an odd sort of way, it may put me closer to
Larry's camp...

While I take a fairly cerebral approach to all things golf swing, I do
believe that all the "thinking" should be done on the range, in practice
sessions.

Once you step on the first tee, if there's more than one single swing
thought, it's probably too many. And I might even go so far as to say that
once play begins, even one swing thought can get in the way of the flow.

Generally speaking, I do take an analytical approach to golf. BUT, when I'm
there to play A ROUND OF GOLF, I much prefer to just take whatever swing I
brought to the course that day and JUST PLAY.

The "fixing" of the swing won't ever happen very effectively on the course.
It happens on the practice tee.

Randy

Date: 06 Sep 2006 19:05:14
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:57:51 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

>I would just add this...and in an odd sort of way, it may put me closer to
>Larry's camp...
>
<
>Randy
>
<clip >
You'll never be in LLLLLarry's camp because you tell the truth about
your game. You need to say things like this:

>My handicap is 8.8 and on its way down fast. The only reason I didn't
>shoot par the last several rounds was poor putting after I hit the GIR
>after hitting ALL the fairways.

He has been proven a liar (ever see HIS video?) and won't play with
anyone on this list because he can't back any of his claims.

You, however, are a better player than you say you are. Please don't
stoop to comparing yourself with the clown of RSG.

bk

Date: 06 Sep 2006 17:11:42
From: larry
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:05:14 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >

the clown of RSG.

You rang?

Date: 06 Sep 2006 19:25:18
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:11:42 -0700, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:05:14 -0500, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net>
>
> the clown of RSG.
>
>You rang?

Yes, I called you. At least you know your reputation.
___,
\o

Date: 07 Sep 2006 20:52:41
From: IcUrdazedandconfused
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:26:59 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

>Go ahead, have your fun.
>
>http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
>(Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
>Randy
>

I can only give you two things:
Never take advice from someone worse than you (me)
Leave your clubs between the flag and the cart

Past that I got nothing....

Great video! You'd almost think you were some sort of a pro or
something, and actually got announcer work on the PGA tour! :)

Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:08:29
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

"R&B" wrote:
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)

Hey Randy,

One more thing, since we seem to both be working on the same
left arm breakdown issue. In my lesson today, the pro had me
work on keeping my right wrist bent back all the way to impact.
This almost completely fixed the problem for me, hands ahead
of the ball at impact, left arm straight, clubface square, right wrist
hinged back, extension after impact, and just a slight bit of a
chicken wing after impact. A lot of room left for improvement,
but I'm getting into positions I've never been in before.

He made some other slight adjustments, too, so I can't say it
was entirely due to that. It's a delicate balance. I'm at the stage
where it takes about 10 swings to get 1 good one, but those
good ones really feel good.

Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:57:29
From: TheHack
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

Date: 08 Sep 2006 09:47:51
From: larry
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:57:29 -0500, TheHack <Mike@hates_spam.com >
wrote:

>"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in news:-
>PadnUJ0eOMtu2DZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Go ahead, have your fun.
>>
>> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>>
>> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
>> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>
>Same problem I have, a 50 pound handicap :)

Don't allow anyone to criticize your golf swing-- IF you can
consistently propel the ball toward the target, keep it in the fairway
and hit greens. How you do it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the
results--as Harvey Penick famously said. Our game is about "how
much" and not "how." I know several 5 or below handicappers with a
MUCH uglier swing than yours. They just take the club half way back,
chop down on the ball, bunt it low and arrow straight-- and then get
up and down-- Those guys seldom shoot over 75.

Larry

Date: 08 Sep 2006 13:34:59
From: Adam
Subject: Re: My golf swing on video - laugh all you want

There is certainly more than one way to skin a cat, but to me it looks
like you are using too many swing planes. Your first move away from the
ball involves picking up the club pretty steeply, then flattening it
out to the top. At the top of your swing (frame 23 picture) I think
your position looks really good for a flat swing (i.e. Hogan, and now
Tiger). But, as you transition at the top, it looks like your right
elbow moves out to the right, and the club gets really steep. This gets
you into an over the top move. So, you start steep, get flat, then get
steep again.

I think if you could figure out how to get to frame 23 more directly,
and then mirror that path back to the ball, you'd be pretty happy. I
work on this in my garage with a camera aimed down the line, and an
extension cord running to a TV right in front of me. I'll watch myself
as I make slow motion and full motion swings - no mat, no balls, just
working on the feel. I'll pay a lot of attention to the path that my
hands make as I move away from the ball, up to the top.

Hope this helps.

Adam

"R&B" wrote:
> Go ahead, have your fun.
>
> http://www.rsg-atlanta.com/golfswing.htm
>
> (Laville, I hope you'll check this out. I could use a few words of
> instruction, as will become painfully obvious.)
>
> Randy