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Date: 29 Sep 2006 21:17:02
From: Kenny Stultz
Subject: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for golf, I
think I'd let Arnold play for free.
Kenny
--
Kenny Stultz - Troll and SPAM intolerant
"Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can
earn one a reputation for bad sportsmanship"
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 22:10:50
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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Birdie Bill wrote:
>
> On the other hand, why do the people who can afford it the
> most get everything for free?
I've never understood that either. It's like one of the amateur
tournaments I used to play in.
The winner would get a set of Hogan Apex irons. Does that make any
sense? I figured that whoever won the tournament probably already had
a decent set of irons. Of course, I got a good set of Apex irons that
way. I gave the winner $250 bucks right after the awards ceremony.
Later, I won the 2nd Flight and got another set of Hogans, but these
were Radials. I sold them to Young Joseph for 2 C-notes and he made an
ace with them the very next day.
But I digress.
It does seem that getting things for free has more to do with being
famous than being rich, but being rich helps, too. Famous people always
get the best seats and rarely have to pay for pussy.
Long-time lurkers here may recall my story about how I once bought Tom
Lehman dinner. You can probably Google up "Anni's '97 Masters Diary" if
you haven't read it. Anyway, I paid for the Lehman's meal because I
appreciate irony. The poorest guy I know (me) was paying for the
dinner of a millionaire who happened to be the current Open Champion.
How cool is that? Come to think of it, I've done quite a bit (mostly
photography-related stuff) for people with substantial means. I made a
lot of photos for one guy who was on the Forbes list up until this year
when he got bumped. Cost me over $100 and I didn't make a dime.
Of course I've also made photos for street people and others who are
dead broke. Those people always seem to appreciate it a lot more for
some reason.
One of my heroes was George Low, known for being the best putter in the
world. He was dubbed "America's Guest" because nobody could ever
remember him paying for a dinner, a motel room, or a ride. My kind of
guy.
One time at Augusta, the Oldest Member saw George Low walking toward
him.
"I hear you're supposed to be the best putter in the world," the Oldest
Member said.
As Low walked past he said almost too quietly to hear, "That shit's way
overrated."
-Annika ----- > America's Chump
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 21:13:33
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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annika1980 wrote:
> Arnold Palmer, who designed this Ryder Cup course, earned a special
> tribute in Ian Woosnam's opening ceremony speech.
>
> "He's been an inspiration to us all... a legend," Woosie said. Arnie is
> a famous face among sporting personalities in America, except, it
> seems, at the Bandon Dunes resort in Oregon. He arrived to have a look
> at the course which recently hosted the Curtis Cup and, on deciding to
> play, was asked: "How would you like to pay for this?" One credit card
> imprint later and Palmer, 77, remarked wryly to friends: "That's the
> first time I've paid to play golf since I was 17."
> ========================
>
>
> When I was working the pro shop, I had two rules.
> 1. Arnie don't pay.
> 2. O.J. don't play.
>
> I wish Arnie would've said, "The only reason I'm playing here is I'm
> thinking of buying the place. And you're the first guy I'm firing."
On the other hand, why do the people who can afford it the
most get everything for free?
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 19:51:03
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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annika1980 wrote:
> I wish Arnie would've said, "The only reason I'm playing here is I'm
> thinking of buying the place. And you're the first guy I'm firing."
Funny you should say this - reminds me of a real-life scenario. I
played today with a part-owner of Roebuck Municipal Golf Course,
personal friend of Earl Woods, and now Tiger; a prominent 81 year old
African American businessman (hit it 240 down the middle off of the tee
every time - further than 95% of you reading this). As such, he gets
flown via Air Tiger to the continental majors and various Foundation
events. Anyway, I met him through a regular playing partner of mine.
The man in question would never discuss any of this, lest he appear
bragadocious, but my playing partner told me the previous stuff and the
following little story in confidence:
Back in the 50's here in Alabama this man stopped at a BBQ joint in
Irondale (a semi-suburb of Birmingham) only to be told he could not buy
any food. He told the proprietor he would take his food on the run and
get out of their hair, but could he just have a plate as he was
famished. No go. Seeing as how he had recently completed his MBA or
PhD, or some such, from Harvard, he concentrated his efforts on
purchasing the property the establishment was on, kicking out the guy
who dicked him, and raking in the profits from the restaurant.
Whether or not that is true, I don't know, but it makes for a hell of a
story. And for real, the man is 81 years old, and he shot damn close
to his age from 6500 yards. What a freaking day...
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 15:10:11
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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Arnold Palmer, who designed this Ryder Cup course, earned a special
tribute in Ian Woosnam's opening ceremony speech.
"He's been an inspiration to us all... a legend," Woosie said. Arnie is
a famous face among sporting personalities in America, except, it
seems, at the Bandon Dunes resort in Oregon. He arrived to have a look
at the course which recently hosted the Curtis Cup and, on deciding to
play, was asked: "How would you like to pay for this?" One credit card
imprint later and Palmer, 77, remarked wryly to friends: "That's the
first time I've paid to play golf since I was 17."
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When I was working the pro shop, I had two rules.
1. Arnie don't pay.
2. O.J. don't play.
I wish Arnie would've said, "The only reason I'm playing here is I'm
thinking of buying the place. And you're the first guy I'm firing."
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 19:37:15
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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zumafan wrote:
> >
> > I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for golf, I
> > think I'd let Arnold play for free.
> >
>
> Bastards! I bet they made him keep up with the pace of play too...
I hope at the very least that they arranged for Sasha to caddy for him.
That would make his putter stand up straight.
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 17:45:38
From: zumafan
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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Kenny Stultz wrote:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/
> 09/24/sgdiar24.xml
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> I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for golf, I
> think I'd let Arnold play for free.
>
Bastards! I bet they made him keep up with the pace of play too...
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 19:50:40
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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Tex wrote:
> Arnie takes the same space on a golf course as does anyone else. If he
> bumps back a revenue group, he pays. Simple. It's not greed, it's
> business.
>
> Now, if Arnie throws some free golf at BayHill for the staff at Bandon,
> well, maybe....but I doubt that offer was made...instead, as is
> typical, Arnie "expected" to go for free and the guy behind the counter
> wasn't about to get yelled at for giving a freebie.
I don't know any courses where a PGA Tour player or a member of the PGA
isn't allowed to play free. Perhaps Arnie let his membership lapse?
Maybe you should try that the next time you play Bandon. Call ahead and
tell them that Arnold Palmer is coming and requests a comped tee-time.
Then just show the geek at the counter a fake ID saying you are named
"Arnold Palmer" and you're in like Flint.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 19:12:37
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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Matt 'Ocho' Aamold wrote:
> "Kenny Stultz" <kstultz@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4o5gqeFcvlfvU1@individual.net...
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/
> > 09/24/sgdiar24.xml
> >
> > I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for
> > golf, I
> > think I'd let Arnold play for free.
>
>
> I've always said that they need to be real careful with the prices they
> charge. Golfers don't want another pebble beach, especially not in Oregon.
> I hope the reason they charge so much is that they are paying way too much
> in taxes/fee's to the local county/city and not greed. Having charged Arnie
> I think it's greed
Arnie takes the same space on a golf course as does anyone else. If he
bumps back a revenue group, he pays. Simple. It's not greed, it's
business.
Now, if Arnie throws some free golf at BayHill for the staff at Bandon,
well, maybe....but I doubt that offer was made...instead, as is
typical, Arnie "expected" to go for free and the guy behind the counter
wasn't about to get yelled at for giving a freebie.
As a courtesy, Arnie calls ahead and arranges for the comp, you don't
expect the hourly staff to give away a $200 round...that's more than
the counter guy's daily wage. But that call wasn't made...otherwise we
wouldn't be discussing Arnie being charged.
Tex
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 21:28:15
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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Tex wrote:
> Matt 'Ocho' Aamold wrote:
>> "Kenny Stultz" <kstultz@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:4o5gqeFcvlfvU1@individual.net...
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/
>>> 09/24/sgdiar24.xml
>>>
>>> I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for
>>> golf, I
>>> think I'd let Arnold play for free.
>>
>> I've always said that they need to be real careful with the prices they
>> charge. Golfers don't want another pebble beach, especially not in Oregon.
>> I hope the reason they charge so much is that they are paying way too much
>> in taxes/fee's to the local county/city and not greed. Having charged Arnie
>> I think it's greed
>
> Arnie takes the same space on a golf course as does anyone else. If he
> bumps back a revenue group, he pays. Simple. It's not greed, it's
> business.
>
> Now, if Arnie throws some free golf at BayHill for the staff at Bandon,
> well, maybe....but I doubt that offer was made...instead, as is
> typical, Arnie "expected" to go for free and the guy behind the counter
> wasn't about to get yelled at for giving a freebie.
>
> As a courtesy, Arnie calls ahead and arranges for the comp, you don't
> expect the hourly staff to give away a $200 round...that's more than
> the counter guy's daily wage. But that call wasn't made...otherwise we
> wouldn't be discussing Arnie being charged.
>
> Tex
>
actually, professional golfers are like a family, and most golf courses
are run by professional golfers. Hence, very few professional golfers,
even lower tier pros ever pay for a round of golf. My BIL, who lives in
Palm Desert, is a former mini tour pro. He hasn't paid for a round of
golf in years. He was here this summer and we had a tee time at my golf
course. I expected him to pay his own greens fee. Guess what? He had a
chat with our assistant pro, they shared some tour stories, and he
played here for free. Happens every day at courses throughout the world.
That's why the Arnold Palmer at Bandon story is a bit unusual...How does
Arnold Palmer show up at Bandon Dunes unannounced, without fanfare? And
then have to pay for a round of golf? Very unusual IMO
Dave
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 20:45:45
From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159755157.348902.210010@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Arnie takes the same space on a golf course as does anyone else. If he
> bumps back a revenue group, he pays. Simple. It's not greed, it's
> business.
>
> Now, if Arnie throws some free golf at BayHill for the staff at Bandon,
> well, maybe....but I doubt that offer was made...instead, as is
> typical, Arnie "expected" to go for free and the guy behind the counter
> wasn't about to get yelled at for giving a freebie.
>
> As a courtesy, Arnie calls ahead and arranges for the comp, you don't
> expect the hourly staff to give away a $200 round...that's more than
> the counter guy's daily wage. But that call wasn't made...otherwise we
> wouldn't be discussing Arnie being charged.
Arnies earned every comp he's ever received.
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 17:30:35
From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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"Kenny Stultz" <kstultz@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:4o5gqeFcvlfvU1@individual.net...
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/
> 09/24/sgdiar24.xml
>
> I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for
> golf, I
> think I'd let Arnold play for free.
I've always said that they need to be real careful with the prices they
charge. Golfers don't want another pebble beach, especially not in Oregon.
I hope the reason they charge so much is that they are paying way too much
in taxes/fee's to the local county/city and not greed. Having charged Arnie
I think it's greed
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 00:53:08
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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On Sun, 1 2006 17:30:35 -0700, "Matt 'Ocho' Aamold"
<maamold@gmail.com > wrote:
> Having charged Arnie I think it's greed
How many of us have bought something - such as a green fee - from
clueless clerks?
The clerks aren't greedy, they are getting their hourly wage.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 05:28:13
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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long&left wrote:
> Tex wrote:
> > Matt 'Ocho' Aamold wrote:
> >> "Kenny Stultz" <kstultz@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4o5gqeFcvlfvU1@individual.net...
> >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/
> >>> 09/24/sgdiar24.xml
> >>>
> >>> I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for
> >>> golf, I
> >>> think I'd let Arnold play for free.
> >>
> >> I've always said that they need to be real careful with the prices they
> >> charge. Golfers don't want another pebble beach, especially not in Oregon.
> >> I hope the reason they charge so much is that they are paying way too much
> >> in taxes/fee's to the local county/city and not greed. Having charged Arnie
> >> I think it's greed
> >
> > Arnie takes the same space on a golf course as does anyone else. If he
> > bumps back a revenue group, he pays. Simple. It's not greed, it's
> > business.
> >
> > Now, if Arnie throws some free golf at BayHill for the staff at Bandon,
> > well, maybe....but I doubt that offer was made...instead, as is
> > typical, Arnie "expected" to go for free and the guy behind the counter
> > wasn't about to get yelled at for giving a freebie.
> >
> > As a courtesy, Arnie calls ahead and arranges for the comp, you don't
> > expect the hourly staff to give away a $200 round...that's more than
> > the counter guy's daily wage. But that call wasn't made...otherwise we
> > wouldn't be discussing Arnie being charged.
> >
> > Tex
> >
>
> actually, professional golfers are like a family, and most golf courses
> are run by professional golfers. Hence, very few professional golfers,
> even lower tier pros ever pay for a round of golf. My BIL, who lives in
> Palm Desert, is a former mini tour pro. He hasn't paid for a round of
> golf in years. He was here this summer and we had a tee time at my golf
> course. I expected him to pay his own greens fee. Guess what? He had a
> chat with our assistant pro, they shared some tour stories, and he
> played here for free. Happens every day at courses throughout the world.
Yup, it does. And in most cases, the Pros call ahead. We've hosted
many at my course. Each one calls ahead and makes sure there is space,
no tournaments. Even a former British Open Champ walking through the
door had previously called ahead of time to make the arrangements.
Even the course he showed up at *with* the Calret Jug had already been
called ahead of time.
> That's why the Arnold Palmer at Bandon story is a bit unusual...How does
> Arnold Palmer show up at Bandon Dunes unannounced, without fanfare? And
> then have to pay for a round of golf? Very unusual IMO
You've been to Bandon, they host *alot* of celebs...each one calls
ahead and makes arrangements just like we all do. What if Arnie shows
up the day of a tournament? Do you bump the tournament? Call ahead,
even if it's 24 hours...it's called professional courtesy.
Tex
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 20:49:12
From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159792093.135996.281490@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> You've been to Bandon, they host *alot* of celebs...each one calls
> ahead and makes arrangements just like we all do. What if Arnie shows
> up the day of a tournament? Do you bump the tournament? Call ahead,
> even if it's 24 hours...it's called professional courtesy.
I'm betting Arnie wouldn't even think of playing golf if that happened.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 05:22:31
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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annika1980 wrote:
> Tex wrote:
> > Arnie takes the same space on a golf course as does anyone else. If he
> > bumps back a revenue group, he pays. Simple. It's not greed, it's
> > business.
> >
> > Now, if Arnie throws some free golf at BayHill for the staff at Bandon,
> > well, maybe....but I doubt that offer was made...instead, as is
> > typical, Arnie "expected" to go for free and the guy behind the counter
> > wasn't about to get yelled at for giving a freebie.
>
> I don't know any courses where a PGA Tour player or a member of the PGA
> isn't allowed to play free. Perhaps Arnie let his membership lapse?
You are right...however, you also call ahead and arrange for the comp.
You don't just show up and expect to be treated for free. Policy at my
course is "one comp" per day. If a PGA member from bumfuck Tennesee is
already on the course, that's it for the day.
Perhaps it works differently at your $3 muni, put the ball in the rack
and tee off when you are ready....but at high dollar courses, they have
to control the flow of freebies, it is a business and everyone in the
PGA of America knows and should respect that.
Tex
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 16:46:07
From: RoR
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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On 2 2006 05:22:31 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> I don't know any courses where a PGA Tour player or a member of the PGA
>> isn't allowed to play free. Perhaps Arnie let his membership lapse?
>
>You are right...however, you also call ahead and arrange for the comp.
>You don't just show up and expect to be treated for free.
My pro explained that the instructions from the PGA are to call ahead. They recognize
that it might put a course out to host a PGA player, or it might not be convenient. It is
considered professional courtesy to call ahead to make arrangements and check to see if it
will be an imposition.
I have taken these calls myself, the ones that get comped are those that call ahead, are
polite, and ask (yes, ask, if they can get comped) while talking with the head pro. I've
known him to turn down pro's that haven't called ahead, but said, "Give me a call me next
time you'll be in town, we'll take care of you then."
He also says, places like Bandon and Pebble Beach rarely comp pros (of the club pro type,
I presume) because they don't have to, they are busy enough as it is, while the muni type
courses welcome the exposure.
When a club pro hears Joe Member is going to be in the Portland area, he likely will say,
something similar to, "Give Meriwether a try, I think you'll like it, and say Hi to Tom
for me, too." I know our pro does that for us. And sometimes he'll call for us to get
us comped at the course, tit-for-tat.
Rick R
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 12:28:39
From: David
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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On 29 Sep 2006 21:17:02 GMT, kstultz@comcast.net (Kenny Stultz) wrote:
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/
>09/24/sgdiar24.xml
>
>I know he can afford the greens fees, but considering all he's done for golf, I
>think I'd let Arnold play for free.
There is, as far as I know, professional courtesy extended to golf
professionals- Arnie should probably not have to have paid for that
round of golf.
The thing that really gets my goat is when a celeb expects to not
have to pay for anything. Michael Schumacher went with his family to
Disney World Paris some years ago and did not stay because they would
not comp him the suite.
This is the sort of stuff that happens everyday and what really gets
me steamed. Now, if it was a problem for Arnie, he could have called
management over. He most likely did not want to embarass the poor
clerk. At any rate, since it was the first round of golf he had to
pay for since he was 17, it should have been no big deal. He cannot
take his money with him when he shows up for his tee time at the great
golf course in the sky.
>Kenny
David
PS. No, I would have not asked Arnie to pay for the round. I would
have insisted that Schumacher pay for his suite, though.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 20:56:51
From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold
Subject: Re: Money must be tight at Bandon Dunes
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"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
news:t3q1i2tc701jp1pcjkp3ghj3np2inj1cci@4ax.com...
>> The thing that really gets my goat is when a celeb expects to not
> have to pay for anything. Michael Schumacher went with his family to
> Disney World Paris some years ago and did not stay because they would
> not comp him the suite.
Agreed, Arnie cannot show up in Aspen and expect to get free lift tickets.
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