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Date: 13 Nov 2006 19:02:08
From: Herbert
Subject: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Mike Dalecki wrote:
>
> Pete, I'm sad that it's come to this. Truth is, I look at RSG less and
> less these days. It's seems to be little more than people shouting at
> each other, with no one listening. It used to be that RSG was about
> golf. Now it seems to be about egos.
>
One of the ugliest battle of egos I recall was between you and George
Hibbard back in '99 or 2000 or so. He posted golf content NON-STOP,
but you looked to run him off your newsgroup because you did not agree
with his swing theory, and you thought he was here only to sell his
book. He posted long, detailed posts about GOLF, but that wasn't good
enough for you. He was spending hours each day posting to RSG trying
to help people with their swing, but he included a commercial sig line
(much like yours), and you went so far to come up with the laughable
term "stealth spam" to rally your gang to run this elderly man off RSG.
I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:28:05
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> > Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
> > spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
> > Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
> > enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
>
then R&B wrote:
> My take was always that yes, George was here to sell his tapes and book.
> But he also offered plenty in the way of free swing advice, and didn't hold
> anything back. That's quite unlike a lot of people you see on TV hawking
> their books or tapes, who always stop short of spilling the beans, always
> saying, "oh, you'll have to buy my book for the real deal."
>
> George was never that way. While yes, he was annoying, and while it may be
> that he was using the group to troll for leads, you can't argue that he did
> anything BUT offer plenty of free swing advice without holding anything
> back.
>
> Certainly no one could argue that he was posting OT content more than on
> very rare and isolated occasions.
>
> Randy
I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
productive with his retirement years. There is a definite contrast in
RSG too. George tries to help people. BK anklebites.
-Greg
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 05:14:04
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
: I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
: productive with his retirement years.
As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
That's a hint of sorts, dude.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:52:44
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:14:04 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>
>: I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
>: productive with his retirement years.
>
>As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
>should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
>
But then what would he do for a personality? Oh, the TITPB.
Have some respect Chris. You're addressing the only person that has
ever been uninvited to an RSG tournament because it was so difficult
to get someone to agree to have anything to do with him, much less
play golf. THAT is being productive.
Also, please don't respond to him. I can read your posts.
___,
\o
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:20:02
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Robert Hamilton wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:00:48 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Bobby Knight wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:40:29 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
> > >> >> --
> > >> >
> > >> >Oh. You posted your opinion. We got that the first time.
> > >> >
> > >> I know that you read all my posts, so I wanted to make sure it was
> > >> simple and overstated for you.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Another opinion from BK. Wow! We are not worthy!!
> >
> > You're catching on, but there's no we....
>
> Three opinions in a row for the great BK. *I* truely am blessed!
Yeah....he's repeated himself three times. Symptoms of dimented
dimentia.
And the incident of GH spamming was when....1999. Good God!
-Greg
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 04:01:32
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Herbert wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
>
> >
> > George is a nice friendly guy who says things he knows nothing about.
> > He sent me a computer virus via e-mail.
> > Tonight he's teaching the baseball swing.
>
> Well he certainly can't be accused of being one-dimensional.
Kinda like getting information on the golf swing from a baseball guy!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 19:55:47
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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glfnaz wrote:
>
> George is a nice friendly guy who says things he knows nothing about.
> He sent me a computer virus via e-mail.
> Tonight he's teaching the baseball swing.
Well he certainly can't be accused of being one-dimensional.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 19:36:00
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 19:02:08 -0800, "Herbert" <humphrey_Herbert@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Mike Dalecki wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete, I'm sad that it's come to this. Truth is, I look at RSG less and
> >> less these days. It's seems to be little more than people shouting at
> >> each other, with no one listening. It used to be that RSG was about
> >> golf. Now it seems to be about egos.
> >>
> >
> >I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
> >on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
> >swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
> >the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
> >Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
>
> Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
I don' t fancy a debate over what is/isn't spam. That battle of egos
was an RSG low-point instigated by the same person lamenting the state
of RSG today.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 03:33:54
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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You insult people simply for posting their views on a public forum, and
that's what you get! These USENET newsgroups seem to be a magnet for the
type. Doesn't mean you can't go a head and post your views anyways!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 19:27:19
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> > Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
I disagree. George has always been very free with his advice and will
answer any questions posed to him. Sure, he had his business info in
his sig, just like Mike Dalecki. However, I never considered either of
them spammers. In fact, I even had Dalecki build me a driver, and
despite what he may have you believe, we had some good talks last year
at RSG-OHIO. Hibbard even sent me his book and tape for free with no
endorsement strings attached.
Even today George will post his theories for all to read. Or you can
do like The Oldest Member did and call George up on the phone. He
really is a very friendly guy.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 04:08:36
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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annika1980 wrote:
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>>>Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
>>
>>spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
>>Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
>>enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
>
>
> I disagree. George has always been very free with his advice and will
> answer any questions posed to him. Sure, he had his business info in
> his sig, just like Mike Dalecki. However, I never considered either of
> them spammers.
This is simply not true. George has on several occasions posted partial
answers or alluded to the fact that the answer can be found in his
book(s) but he was not going to "give it away". The most recent example
was discussions re: his Mike Austin association, where he hinted at
several things but refused to come out and say what the "secret" really
was. He also has paid folks (or given free goods) specifically in
exchange for favorable reviews of his products posted on RSG.
I don't think George is a "bad" guy, and I would agree that maybe some
folks were a bit tougher on him than they needed to be. but he's far
from blameless and he's been less than "free" with his teaching at times.
Rob
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:13:15
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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"Rob Davis" <davis.rob@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:8jb6h.4780$5P2.617@trnddc02...
> annika1980 wrote:
>> Bobby Knight wrote:
>>
>
> He also has paid folks (or given free goods) specifically in exchange for
> favorable reviews of his products posted on RSG.
>
>
> Rob
Dead wrong. Absolute garbage wrong.
I don't suppose you have the imagination to see things any other way, Rob.
I hope you DO discover that side of human nature some day before the end of
your life.
It is called magnanimity, but as I say, that's apparently a concept you are
not familiar with.
In the very few times I have EVER encouraged or asked for comments to be
posted I have demanded honesty. And ONCE I gave a courtesy discount for
Eric for posting what he told me privately. I gave another yesterday and I
give them frequently for many reasons: none having anything to do with
posting reviews, much less slanting them. But of course I say again, that
is a concept you are apparently not familiar with.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 17:21:00
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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George Hibbard wrote:
> "Rob Davis" <davis.rob@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>>He also has paid folks (or given free goods) specifically in exchange for
>>favorable reviews of his products posted on RSG.
>>Rob
>
>
> Dead wrong. Absolute garbage wrong.
> In the very few times I have EVER encouraged or asked for comments to be
> posted I have demanded honesty. And ONCE I gave a courtesy discount for
> Eric for posting what he told me privately. I gave another yesterday and I
> give them frequently for many reasons: none having anything to do with
> posting reviews, much less slanting them. But of course I say again, that
> is a concept you are apparently not familiar with.
I didn't say or mean to imply that the posts were lies or dishonest ...
although I doubt you've given many "courtesy discounts" for bad reviews
8^). I've never had any beef with you in the past, so I'm not sure where
your hostility is coming from.
But I don't believe what I've said was quite "dead wrong". You agree
that you've exchanged value for favorable posts, and that's bordering on
SPAM. Now there's nothing illegal, or dishonest, or necessarily
morally questionable about that. But it is an issue in newsgroups, and I
have to disagree when posts claim that you never engaged in anything
like that.
Rob
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 12:58:27
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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"Rob Davis" <davis.rob@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:0Wm6h.4914$5P2.1283@trnddc02...
> George Hibbard wrote:
>> "Rob Davis" <davis.rob@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>He also has paid folks (or given free goods) specifically in exchange for
>>>favorable reviews of his products posted on RSG.
>>>Rob
>>
>>
>> Dead wrong. Absolute garbage wrong.
>> In the very few times I have EVER encouraged or asked for comments to be
>> posted I have demanded honesty. And ONCE I gave a courtesy discount for
>> Eric for posting what he told me privately. I gave another yesterday and
>> I give them frequently for many reasons: none having anything to do with
>> posting reviews, much less slanting them. But of course I say again,
>> that is a concept you are apparently not familiar with.
>
> I didn't say or mean to imply that the posts were lies or dishonest ...
> although I doubt you've given many "courtesy discounts" for bad reviews
> 8^). I've never had any beef with you in the past, so I'm not sure where
> your hostility is coming from.
>
> But I don't believe what I've said was quite "dead wrong". You agree that
> you've exchanged value for favorable posts, and that's bordering on SPAM.
> Now there's nothing illegal, or dishonest, or necessarily morally
> questionable about that. But it is an issue in newsgroups, and I have to
> disagree when posts claim that you never engaged in anything like that.
>
> Rob
Damn, Rob, you have a reading comprehension problem: stemming, obviously,
from an agenda and hearing your own mind, not what comes from someone else.
I HAVE NOT exchanged value for favorable posts. The ONE instance I gave a
discount to Erik was TO post what he fed back to me FIRST--would he kindly
post his review on Amazon! in the same manner that Amazon itself asks people
to do. The discount was a favor for taking the trouble TO DO THAT, much
like any marketing gratuity. To spin that it was to create a favorable post
is dead dead wrong. And to my recollection in 7 years I have never ever
repeated that gesture. I give discounts to buyers of multiple products,
comps to pupils, etc... Spam? Wow.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:35:02
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On 13 Nov 2006 19:27:19 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>> > Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
>> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
>> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
>> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
>
>I disagree. George has always been very free with his advice and will
>answer any questions posed to him. Sure, he had his business info in
>his sig, just like Mike Dalecki. However, I never considered either of
>them spammers. In fact, I even had Dalecki build me a driver, and
>despite what he may have you believe, we had some good talks last year
>at RSG-OHIO. Hibbard even sent me his book and tape for free with no
>endorsement strings attached.
>Even today George will post his theories for all to read. Or you can
>do like The Oldest Member did and call George up on the phone. He
>really is a very friendly guy.
He was selling his book. Whether or not he posted his theories, he
was selling his book in the body of his posts. If he had just used a
sig line it wouldn't have caused any complaints. He sent you his book
and tape to buy a friend.
He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 03:40:29
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Bobby Knight wrote:
>
> He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
> --
Oh. You posted your opinion. We got that the first time.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:51:18
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:40:29 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>>
>> He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
>> --
>
>Oh. You posted your opinion. We got that the first time.
>
I know that you read all my posts, so I wanted to make sure it was
simple and overstated for you.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 04:00:48
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:40:29 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
> >> --
> >
> >Oh. You posted your opinion. We got that the first time.
> >
> I know that you read all my posts, so I wanted to make sure it was
> simple and overstated for you.
>
Another opinion from BK. Wow! We are not worthy!!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 22:04:32
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:00:48 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net >
wrote:
>
>
>Bobby Knight wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:40:29 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Bobby Knight wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
>> >> --
>> >
>> >Oh. You posted your opinion. We got that the first time.
>> >
>> I know that you read all my posts, so I wanted to make sure it was
>> simple and overstated for you.
>>
>
>Another opinion from BK. Wow! We are not worthy!!
You're catching on, but there's no we....
___,
\o
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 04:06:56
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:00:48 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:40:29 GMT, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >Oh. You posted your opinion. We got that the first time.
> >> >
> >> I know that you read all my posts, so I wanted to make sure it was
> >> simple and overstated for you.
> >>
> >
> >Another opinion from BK. Wow! We are not worthy!!
>
> You're catching on, but there's no we....
Three opinions in a row for the great BK. *I* truely am blessed!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:34:00
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1163474839.320075.265240@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bobby Knight wrote:
>> > Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
>> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
>> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
>> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
>
> I disagree. George has always been very free with his advice and will
> answer any questions posed to him. Sure, he had his business info in
> his sig, just like Mike Dalecki. However, I never considered either of
> them spammers. In fact, I even had Dalecki build me a driver, and
> despite what he may have you believe, we had some good talks last year
> at RSG-OHIO. Hibbard even sent me his book and tape for free with no
> endorsement strings attached.
> Even today George will post his theories for all to read. Or you can
> do like The Oldest Member did and call George up on the phone. He
> really is a very friendly guy.
>
George is a nice friendly guy who says things he knows nothing about.
He sent me a computer virus via e-mail.
Tonight he's teaching the baseball swing.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:03:34
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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"glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote in message
news:45593931$0$25784$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>
> "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1163474839.320075.265240@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> George is a nice friendly guy who says things he knows nothing about.
> He sent me a computer virus via e-mail.
> Tonight he's teaching the baseball swing.
>
No - the virus sent you a computer virus, or do you not understand exactly
HOW those things work?
And you didn't have virus protection either... We live and learn at
considerable expense.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:10:51
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On 13 Nov 2006 19:02:08 -0800, "Herbert" <humphrey_Herbert@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>>
>> Pete, I'm sad that it's come to this. Truth is, I look at RSG less and
>> less these days. It's seems to be little more than people shouting at
>> each other, with no one listening. It used to be that RSG was about
>> golf. Now it seems to be about egos.
>>
>
>One of the ugliest battle of egos I recall was between you and George
>Hibbard back in '99 or 2000 or so. He posted golf content NON-STOP,
>but you looked to run him off your newsgroup because you did not agree
>with his swing theory, and you thought he was here only to sell his
>book. He posted long, detailed posts about GOLF, but that wasn't good
>enough for you. He was spending hours each day posting to RSG trying
>to help people with their swing, but he included a commercial sig line
>(much like yours), and you went so far to come up with the laughable
>term "stealth spam" to rally your gang to run this elderly man off RSG.
>
>I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
>on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
>swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
>the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
>Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
--
___,
\o
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 23:19:25
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:mncil214pdhj50ueim7li9kice7r8kf7kp@4ax.com...
> On 13 Nov 2006 19:02:08 -0800, "Herbert" <humphrey_Herbert@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>>>
>>> Pete, I'm sad that it's come to this. Truth is, I look at RSG less and
>>> less these days. It's seems to be little more than people shouting at
>>> each other, with no one listening. It used to be that RSG was about
>>> golf. Now it seems to be about egos.
>>>
>>
>>One of the ugliest battle of egos I recall was between you and George
>>Hibbard back in '99 or 2000 or so. He posted golf content NON-STOP,
>>but you looked to run him off your newsgroup because you did not agree
>>with his swing theory, and you thought he was here only to sell his
>>book. He posted long, detailed posts about GOLF, but that wasn't good
>>enough for you. He was spending hours each day posting to RSG trying
>>to help people with their swing, but he included a commercial sig line
>>(much like yours), and you went so far to come up with the laughable
>>term "stealth spam" to rally your gang to run this elderly man off RSG.
>>
>>I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
>>on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
>>swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
>>the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
>>Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
>
> Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
My take was always that yes, George was here to sell his tapes and book.
But he also offered plenty in the way of free swing advice, and didn't hold
anything back. That's quite unlike a lot of people you see on TV hawking
their books or tapes, who always stop short of spilling the beans, always
saying, "oh, you'll have to buy my book for the real deal."
George was never that way. While yes, he was annoying, and while it may be
that he was using the group to troll for leads, you can't argue that he did
anything BUT offer plenty of free swing advice without holding anything
back.
Certainly no one could argue that he was posting OT content more than on
very rare and isolated occasions.
Randy
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:31:41
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:mncil214pdhj50ueim7li9kice7r8kf7kp@4ax.com...
> On 13 Nov 2006 19:02:08 -0800, "Herbert" <humphrey_Herbert@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>>>
>>> Pete, I'm sad that it's come to this. Truth is, I look at RSG less and
>>> less these days. It's seems to be little more than people shouting at
>>> each other, with no one listening. It used to be that RSG was about
>>> golf. Now it seems to be about egos.
>>>
>>
>>One of the ugliest battle of egos I recall was between you and George
>>Hibbard back in '99 or 2000 or so. He posted golf content NON-STOP,
>>but you looked to run him off your newsgroup because you did not agree
>>with his swing theory, and you thought he was here only to sell his
>>book. He posted long, detailed posts about GOLF, but that wasn't good
>>enough for you. He was spending hours each day posting to RSG trying
>>to help people with their swing, but he included a commercial sig line
>>(much like yours), and you went so far to come up with the laughable
>>term "stealth spam" to rally your gang to run this elderly man off RSG.
>>
>>I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
>>on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
>>swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
>>the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
>>Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
>
> Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
> --
Much of the Hibbard discussion was on-topic differences of the golf swing.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 15:53:47
From: Crispin Roche
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:10:51 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On 13 Nov 2006 19:02:08 -0800, "Herbert" <humphrey_Herbert@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>>>
>>> Pete, I'm sad that it's come to this. Truth is, I look at RSG less and
>>> less these days. It's seems to be little more than people shouting at
>>> each other, with no one listening. It used to be that RSG was about
>>> golf. Now it seems to be about egos.
>>>
>>
>>One of the ugliest battle of egos I recall was between you and George
>>Hibbard back in '99 or 2000 or so. He posted golf content NON-STOP,
>>but you looked to run him off your newsgroup because you did not agree
>>with his swing theory, and you thought he was here only to sell his
>>book. He posted long, detailed posts about GOLF, but that wasn't good
>>enough for you. He was spending hours each day posting to RSG trying
>>to help people with their swing, but he included a commercial sig line
>>(much like yours), and you went so far to come up with the laughable
>>term "stealth spam" to rally your gang to run this elderly man off RSG.
>>
>>I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
>>on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
>>swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
>>the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
>>Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
>
>Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
>spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
>Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
>enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
> --
and there was me thinking the GH was vilified because he kept using
capitals at random intervals in his posts.
Crispin Roche
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:21:06
From: Deno
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Bobby Knight wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:14:04 GMT, Chris Bellomy
> <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >: I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
> >: productive with his retirement years.
> >
> >As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
> >should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
> >
>
> But then what would he do for a personality? Oh, the TITPB.
Prefer that designation to being a dried up POS like yourself. At
least I have some purpose in life, anklebiter.
> Have some respect Chris. You're addressing the only person that has
> ever been uninvited to an RSG tournament because it was so difficult
> to get someone to agree to have anything to do with him, much less
> play golf. THAT is being productive.
>
> Also, please don't respond to him. I can read your posts.
Isn't that special? Dullecki's butt buddy is now telling Chris whom he
should or should not respond to.
-Greg
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:16:23
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Gordo wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > : I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
> > > : productive with his retirement years.
> > >
> > > As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
> > > should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
> >
> > Not a chance.
> >
> > -Richard Cranium
>
> So, Mr. Cranium, I just want to interject some golf content here.
> Played yesterday morning. Shot a 38 on the front nine and nothing on
> the back. (9 hole course) First off and had a leisurely walk.
Nice shootin. I took a walk on my course. Slosh...slosh...slosh.
> As to the differing opinions going on here. There was certainly a
> vendetta going on to get GH to leave the newsgroup.
Twas bloodsport.
-Greg
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:14:40
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > : I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
> > > : productive with his retirement years.
> > >
> > > As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
> > > should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
> >
> > Not a chance.
> >
> > -Richard Cranium
>
> I get it....I really get the "turd in the punchbowl" thing.
Congrats, kitty boy.
-Greg
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 07:41:15
From:
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Gordo wrote:
> bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Herbert wrote:
> > > I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
> > > on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
> > > swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
> > > the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
> > > Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
> >
> > That's when Maerst/aka/Eric Strulowitz/aka/Hammer/aka/ErictheLiar
> > showed up in a money kickback scheme to post fake reviews for Hibbard.
> > That marked the biginning of a downward spiral for the group.
>
> Revisionist history is the most fascinating kind.
Just fact, Senor Gordo.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 11:10:59
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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<bigoldcat2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1163518874.578562.119100@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Gordo wrote:
>> bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Herbert wrote:
>> > > I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops
>> > > ganging-up
>> > > on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the
>> > > golf
>> > > swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering
>> > > who
>> > > the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
>> > > Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
>> >
>> > That's when Maerst/aka/Eric Strulowitz/aka/Hammer/aka/ErictheLiar
>> > showed up in a money kickback scheme to post fake reviews for Hibbard.
>> > That marked the biginning of a downward spiral for the group.
>>
>> Revisionist history is the most fascinating kind.
>
> Just fact, Senor Gordo.
>
Prophecy fulfilled: The man simply is not acquainted with "1984".
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:59:40
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> Herbert wrote:
> > I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
> > on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
> > swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
> > the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
> > Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
>
> That's when Maerst/aka/Eric Strulowitz/aka/Hammer/aka/ErictheLiar
> showed up in a money kickback scheme to post fake reviews for Hibbard.
> That marked the biginning of a downward spiral for the group.
Revisionist history is the most fascinating kind.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:57:55
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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Dene wrote:
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > : I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
> > : productive with his retirement years.
> >
> > As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
> > should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
>
> Not a chance.
>
> -Richard Cranium
So, Mr. Cranium, I just want to interject some golf content here.
Played yesterday morning. Shot a 38 on the front nine and nothing on
the back. (9 hole course) First off and had a leisurely walk.
As to the differing opinions going on here. There was certainly a
vendetta going on to get GH to leave the newsgroup.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:30:17
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On Nov 14, 8:14 am, Andr...@aol.com wrote:
> On Nov 13, 10:35 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 Nov 2006 19:27:19 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Bobby Knight wrote:
> > >> > Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
> > >> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
> > >> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
> > >> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
>
> > >I disagree. George has always been very free with his advice and will
> > >answer any questions posed to him. Sure, he had his business info in
> > >his sig, just like Mike Dalecki. However, I never considered either of
> > >them spammers. In fact, I even had Dalecki build me a driver, and
> > >despite what he may have you believe, we had some good talks last year
> > >at RSG-OHIO. Hibbard even sent me his book and tape for free with no
> > >endorsement strings attached.
> > >Even today George will post his theories for all to read. Or you can
> > >do like The Oldest Member did and call George up on the phone. He
> > >really is a very friendly guy.He was selling his book. Whether or not he posted his theories, he
> > was selling his book in the body of his posts. If he had just used a
> > sig line it wouldn't have caused any complaints. He sent you his book
> > and tape to buy a friend.
>
> > He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
> > --
> > ___,
> > \o
> >
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:14:47
From:
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On Nov 13, 10:35 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net > wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 19:27:19 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Bobby Knight wrote:
> >> > Laughable. He posted for the sole reason of selling his book, and
> >> spam was his vehicle. His "NON-STOP" golf content was self-serving.
> >> Long and detailed, yes, and the purpose was to make a buck, not
> >> enlighten anyone. Sure flew over your head, but that's expected.
>
> >I disagree. George has always been very free with his advice and will
> >answer any questions posed to him. Sure, he had his business info in
> >his sig, just like Mike Dalecki. However, I never considered either of
> >them spammers. In fact, I even had Dalecki build me a driver, and
> >despite what he may have you believe, we had some good talks last year
> >at RSG-OHIO. Hibbard even sent me his book and tape for free with no
> >endorsement strings attached.
> >Even today George will post his theories for all to read. Or you can
> >do like The Oldest Member did and call George up on the phone. He
> >really is a very friendly guy.He was selling his book. Whether or not he posted his theories, he
> was selling his book in the body of his posts. If he had just used a
> sig line it wouldn't have caused any complaints. He sent you his book
> and tape to buy a friend.
>
> He was selling his book. Oh, I said that.
> --
> ___,
> \o
>
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:31:56
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On 14 Nov 2006 06:14:47 -0800, Andrcom@aol.com wrote:
>On Nov 13, 10:35 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
<clip >
>Bobby,
>this one is for you. Does Mike make a buck from selling golf equipment
>in this news group? Which face do you look at when you shave?
When you shave you're looking at someone that doesn't understand the
written word, which includes the charter for this news group. Try
reading below without moving your lips...or have a fifth grader read
it to you and explain it.
Mike uses a perfectly legitimate sig. You have never seen one word in
a post by him suggesting that he would want to sell anything. In fact
he suggests that people shoud do their own club-building. The
question here was about GH, and had he just stuck to using a sig, like
Mike, there never would've been a problem. However, he littered his
posts with references to his book...which was FOR SALE. Show me one
post where Dalecki has made a scintilla of a hint that he would, or
could, sell anyone something.
You can't.
He doesn't.
He makes his living as a college professor, and building clubs is an
avocation for him.
Since I'm sure that you don't know the meaning of avocation;
Main Entry: av·o·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "a-v&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin avocation-, avocatio, from avocare to call away, from
ab- + vocare to call, from voc-, vox voice -- more at VOICE
1 archaic : DIVERSION, DISTRACTION
2 : customary employment : VOCATION
3 : a subordinate occupation pursued in addition to one's vocation
especially for enjoyment : HOBBY
___,
\o
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 02:17:48
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
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On 14-Nov-2006, Andrcom@aol.com wrote:
> Bobby,
> this one is for you. Does Mike make a buck from selling golf equipment
> in this news group? Which face do you look at when you shave?
That grudge has to be getting heavy.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 20:19:48
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
|
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:17:48 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org >
wrote:
>
>On 14-Nov-2006, Andrcom@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Bobby,
>> this one is for you. Does Mike make a buck from selling golf equipment
>> in this news group? Which face do you look at when you shave?
>
>That grudge has to be getting heavy.
...and with no foundation.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 02:29:23
From:
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
|
Dene wrote:
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > : I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
> > : productive with his retirement years.
> >
> > As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
> > should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
>
> Not a chance.
>
> -Richard Cranium
I get it....I really get the "turd in the punchbowl" thing.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 02:27:31
From:
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
|
Herbert wrote:
> I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
> on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
> swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
> the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
> Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
That's when Maerst/aka/Eric Strulowitz/aka/Hammer/aka/ErictheLiar
showed up in a money kickback scheme to post fake reviews for Hibbard.
That marked the biginning of a downward spiral for the group.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:29:08
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
|
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>
> : I would add that George, unlike BK, is at least is doing something
> : productive with his retirement years.
>
> As you don't know shit about what Bobby does with his time, you
> should really retract this and quit being such a dick.
Not a chance.
-Richard Cranium
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 11:15:56
From: Cal Golfer
Subject: Re: Mike Dalecki...you reap what you sow
|
Man....you can recall the details of a gripe you had with someone 6-7
years ago?
I don't know whether to admire your memory or feel for you...
In any case, I don't think the George Hibbard incidents attracted the
venomous postings and off-topic rants that have become commonplace
here...with the exception of 3-6 veteran jerks, most of the junk here
is being posted by people who started partaking of RSG long after those
exchanges took place...
Herbert wrote:
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
> >
> > Pete, I'm sad that it's come to this. Truth is, I look at RSG less and
> > less these days. It's seems to be little more than people shouting at
> > each other, with no one listening. It used to be that RSG was about
> > golf. Now it seems to be about egos.
> >
>
> One of the ugliest battle of egos I recall was between you and George
> Hibbard back in '99 or 2000 or so. He posted golf content NON-STOP,
> but you looked to run him off your newsgroup because you did not agree
> with his swing theory, and you thought he was here only to sell his
> book. He posted long, detailed posts about GOLF, but that wasn't good
> enough for you. He was spending hours each day posting to RSG trying
> to help people with their swing, but he included a commercial sig line
> (much like yours), and you went so far to come up with the laughable
> term "stealth spam" to rally your gang to run this elderly man off RSG.
>
> I remember at the time shaking my head at you newsgroup cops ganging-up
> on this old dude who was such a kind and passionate poster of the golf
> swing. From that point on I read RSG differently, always wondering who
> the gang would pick on next. That Hibbard incident divided RSG.
> Perhaps that was the beginning of the end?
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