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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Marking someone else's ball
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The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
replaced the ball.
What's the rule that applies here?
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 18:01:59
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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david s-a wrote:
> Thor wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > What if after you hit a great bunker shot some guy marks your ball
> > while you
> > are raking the deep bunker and you don't see him do it and then tosses
> > your
> > ball out of the way on the fringe and you come up and see your ball on
> > the fringe
> > and the guy just stands there and watches you putt it from the wrong
> > place and
> > then as you walk off the green you see the ball marker on the ground
> > and say
> > "What's this?" and the guy says - "Oh, that's mine from where I marked
> > your ball".
> >
> > -- Thor
> >
>
>
> See Decision 15-3b/3.
>
> Basically, because the ball had been lifted and not properly replaced it
> was 'out of play'. When you played a stroke at it you had technically
> played a 'wrong ball'...but because you didn't know it had been lifted
> you could not be penalised for this. Once you became aware of the
> mistake...as you were walking off the green and before you had played
> from the next tee...you were obliged to replace your ball on the correct
> spot and replay out the hole from there, without any penalty. Fail to do
> this at this point and you would have been penalised according to the
> 'wrong ball' rule (R15-3b, 2-strokes), and would then have been
> disqualified if you failed to correct the error. If, however, you had
> played from the next tee before you discovered the mistake then there is
> thankfully no penalty and the score with the 'wrong ball' counts.
>
> Clear now?
What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
-- Thor
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 13:50:52
From: Mark Myers
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On 14 Nov 2006 18:01:59 -0800, Thor said...
>
> david s-a wrote:
> > Thor wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > What if after you hit a great bunker shot some guy marks your ball
> > > while you
> > > are raking the deep bunker and you don't see him do it and then tosses
> > > your
> > > ball out of the way on the fringe and you come up and see your ball on
> > > the fringe
> > > and the guy just stands there and watches you putt it from the wrong
> > > place and
> > > then as you walk off the green you see the ball marker on the ground
> > > and say
> > > "What's this?" and the guy says - "Oh, that's mine from where I marked
> > > your ball".
> > >
> > > -- Thor
> > >
> >
> >
> > See Decision 15-3b/3.
> >
> > Basically, because the ball had been lifted and not properly replaced it
> > was 'out of play'. When you played a stroke at it you had technically
> > played a 'wrong ball'...but because you didn't know it had been lifted
> > you could not be penalised for this. Once you became aware of the
> > mistake...as you were walking off the green and before you had played
> > from the next tee...you were obliged to replace your ball on the correct
> > spot and replay out the hole from there, without any penalty. Fail to do
> > this at this point and you would have been penalised according to the
> > 'wrong ball' rule (R15-3b, 2-strokes), and would then have been
> > disqualified if you failed to correct the error. If, however, you had
> > played from the next tee before you discovered the mistake then there is
> > thankfully no penalty and the score with the 'wrong ball' counts.
> >
> > Clear now?
>
> What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
Shoot him.
--
Mark Myers
usenet2 at mcm2002 dot f9 dot co dot uk
I have all the specs and diagrams at home.
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 09:12:31
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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Thor wrote:
>
>
> What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
>
> -- Thor
>
Your opponent incurs a penalty stroke (Rule 18-3b) for lifting your ball
without authority.....however, being Matchplay, it is up to you to make
the claim in a timely manner, and then correct the error. Similarly it
is up to him to make a claim on you if you fail to correct the error.
Otherwise the incident simply passes, and the score for the hole remains
as agreed!
cheers
david
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:11:18
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:12:31 +1100, david s-a
<dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
>Thor wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
>>
>> -- Thor
>>
>
>Your opponent incurs a penalty stroke (Rule 18-3b) for lifting your ball
>without authority.....however, being Matchplay, it is up to you to make
>the claim in a timely manner, and then correct the error. Similarly it
>is up to him to make a claim on you if you fail to correct the error.
>
>Otherwise the incident simply passes, and the score for the hole remains
>as agreed!
>
>cheers
>david
What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
world class course by "those in the know"?
What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
the ball?
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 19:38:23
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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John van der Pflum wrote:
>
> What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
> Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
> world class course by "those in the know"?
>
> What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
> on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
> the ball?
> --
>
> jvdp
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
The RoG do not contemplate such a ludicrous concept...and have made no
provisions for brown nosing. The RoG insist that all is fair in love,
war, and Matchplay....and expect a degree of violence where appropriate.
:-)
david
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 08:34:27
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:38:23 +1100, david s-a
<dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>
>>
>> What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
>> Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
>> world class course by "those in the know"?
>>
>> What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
>> on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
>> the ball?
>> --
>>
>> jvdp
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
>The RoG do not contemplate such a ludicrous concept...and have made no
>provisions for brown nosing. The RoG insist that all is fair in love,
>war, and Matchplay....and expect a degree of violence where appropriate.
>
>:-)
>
>
>david
I demand that the ROG be amended!
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 07:53:00
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > writes:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:38:23 +1100, david s-a
> <dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >John van der Pflum wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
> >> Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
> >> world class course by "those in the know"?
> >>
> >> What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
> >> on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
> >> the ball?
> >> --
> >>
> >> jvdp
> >> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
> >
> >The RoG do not contemplate such a ludicrous concept...and have made no
> >provisions for brown nosing. The RoG insist that all is fair in love,
> >war, and Matchplay....and expect a degree of violence where appropriate.
> >
> >:-)
> >
> >
> >david
>
> I demand that the ROG be amended!
>
I think you should _really_ flex your muscles -- demand that a revision
be done EVERY FOUR YEARS!
I demand that the earth make a complete revolution around the
sun on an annual basis! I will not be deterred.
--
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 10:42:33
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On 16 Nov 2006 07:53:00 -0600, Aress Gee
<invalid@not_real_address.com > wrote:
>John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:38:23 +1100, david s-a
>> <dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> >John van der Pflum wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
>> >> Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
>> >> world class course by "those in the know"?
>> >>
>> >> What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
>> >> on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
>> >> the ball?
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> jvdp
>> >> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>> >
>> >The RoG do not contemplate such a ludicrous concept...and have made no
>> >provisions for brown nosing. The RoG insist that all is fair in love,
>> >war, and Matchplay....and expect a degree of violence where appropriate.
>> >
>> >:-)
>> >
>> >
>> >david
>>
>> I demand that the ROG be amended!
>>
>
>I think you should _really_ flex your muscles -- demand that a revision
>be done EVERY FOUR YEARS!
>
>I demand that the earth make a complete revolution around the
>sun on an annual basis! I will not be deterred.
It would be nice if the people at the USGA listened to what actual
golfers want once in a while.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 09:45:04
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > writes:
> On 16 Nov 2006 07:53:00 -0600, Aress Gee
> <invalid@not_real_address.com> wrote:
>
> >John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> writes:
> >
> >> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:38:23 +1100, david s-a
> >> <dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> >John van der Pflum wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
> >> >> Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
> >> >> world class course by "those in the know"?
> >> >>
> >> >> What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
> >> >> on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
> >> >> the ball?
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> jvdp
> >> >> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
> >> >
> >> >The RoG do not contemplate such a ludicrous concept...and have made no
> >> >provisions for brown nosing. The RoG insist that all is fair in love,
> >> >war, and Matchplay....and expect a degree of violence where appropriate.
> >> >
> >> >:-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >david
> >>
> >> I demand that the ROG be amended!
> >>
> >
> >I think you should _really_ flex your muscles -- demand that a revision
> >be done EVERY FOUR YEARS!
> >
> >I demand that the earth make a complete revolution around the
> >sun on an annual basis! I will not be deterred.
>
> It would be nice if the people at the USGA listened to what actual
> golfers want once in a while.
Are other actual golfers interested in the movement
of the earth around the sun? Kewl.
--
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mr. People who use golf as some sort of status
Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
Gee -- Golf's Most Beloved Figure
+++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 15:13:24
From:
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On 14 Nov 2006 12:51:06 -0800, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >John van der Pflum wrote:
> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
> >> >there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
> >> >replaced the ball.
> >> >
> >> >What's the rule that applies here?
> >>
> >> I would think those other people were just an outside agency and they
> >> guy could play his ball without penalty.
> >> --
> >>
> >> jvdp
> >> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
> >
> >What if that ball moved while the putter was grounded?
> >
> >CJ
>
> Whose putter and whose ball?
The guy who putted the wrong ball. You pick the putter.
CJ
> --
>
> jvdp
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 10:52:34
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On 14 Nov 2006 15:13:24 -0800, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On 14 Nov 2006 12:51:06 -0800, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >John van der Pflum wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
>> >> >there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
>> >> >replaced the ball.
>> >> >
>> >> >What's the rule that applies here?
>> >>
>> >> I would think those other people were just an outside agency and they
>> >> guy could play his ball without penalty.
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> jvdp
>> >> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>> >
>> >What if that ball moved while the putter was grounded?
>> >
>> >CJ
>>
>> Whose putter and whose ball?
>
>The guy who putted the wrong ball. You pick the putter.
>
>CJ
>> --
>>
>> jvdp
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
I don't think the original scenario had someone playing the wrong
ball. I assumed it was just that the ball from the guy that drove the
green was in the way, so the they marked it, putted out, replaced it
and moved on.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 14:06:34
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
> >The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
> >there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
> >replaced the ball.
> >
> >What's the rule that applies here?
>
> I would think those other people were just an outside agency and they
> guy could play his ball without penalty.
> --
What if after you hit a great bunker shot some guy marks your ball
while you
are raking the deep bunker and you don't see him do it and then tosses
your
ball out of the way on the fringe and you come up and see your ball on
the fringe
and the guy just stands there and watches you putt it from the wrong
place and
then as you walk off the green you see the ball marker on the ground
and say
"What's this?" and the guy says - "Oh, that's mine from where I marked
your ball".
-- Thor
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 09:59:05
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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Thor wrote:
>
>
> What if after you hit a great bunker shot some guy marks your ball
> while you
> are raking the deep bunker and you don't see him do it and then tosses
> your
> ball out of the way on the fringe and you come up and see your ball on
> the fringe
> and the guy just stands there and watches you putt it from the wrong
> place and
> then as you walk off the green you see the ball marker on the ground
> and say
> "What's this?" and the guy says - "Oh, that's mine from where I marked
> your ball".
>
> -- Thor
>
See Decision 15-3b/3.
Basically, because the ball had been lifted and not properly replaced it
was 'out of play'. When you played a stroke at it you had technically
played a 'wrong ball'...but because you didn't know it had been lifted
you could not be penalised for this. Once you became aware of the
mistake...as you were walking off the green and before you had played
from the next tee...you were obliged to replace your ball on the correct
spot and replay out the hole from there, without any penalty. Fail to do
this at this point and you would have been penalised according to the
'wrong ball' rule (R15-3b, 2-strokes), and would then have been
disqualified if you failed to correct the error. If, however, you had
played from the next tee before you discovered the mistake then there is
thankfully no penalty and the score with the 'wrong ball' counts.
Clear now?
Cheers
david
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 10:52:58
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On 14 Nov 2006 14:06:34 -0800, "Thor" <thorpub@rsgohio.com > wrote:
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
>> >there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
>> >replaced the ball.
>> >
>> >What's the rule that applies here?
>>
>> I would think those other people were just an outside agency and they
>> guy could play his ball without penalty.
>> --
>
>What if after you hit a great bunker shot some guy marks your ball
>while you
>are raking the deep bunker and you don't see him do it and then tosses
>your
>ball out of the way on the fringe and you come up and see your ball on
>the fringe
>and the guy just stands there and watches you putt it from the wrong
>place and
>then as you walk off the green you see the ball marker on the ground
>and say
>"What's this?" and the guy says - "Oh, that's mine from where I marked
>your ball".
>
>-- Thor
Bah, that's crazy. That could never happen.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 12:51:06
From:
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
> wrote:
>
> >The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
> >there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
> >replaced the ball.
> >
> >What's the rule that applies here?
>
> I would think those other people were just an outside agency and they
> guy could play his ball without penalty.
> --
>
> jvdp
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
What if that ball moved while the putter was grounded?
CJ
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 16:11:29
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On 14 Nov 2006 12:51:06 -0800, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
>> >there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
>> >replaced the ball.
>> >
>> >What's the rule that applies here?
>>
>> I would think those other people were just an outside agency and they
>> guy could play his ball without penalty.
>> --
>>
>> jvdp
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
>What if that ball moved while the putter was grounded?
>
>CJ
Whose putter and whose ball?
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 20:35:16
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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In article <v39kl2p6djvhp509u1harg6b3opkvps0ue@4ax.com >,
Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote:
> The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
> there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
> replaced the ball.
>
> What's the rule that applies here?
Outside agency. Replace your ball as nearly as possible to spot where it
originally came to rest and carry on. No penalty for anyone.
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 22:34:01
From: Watson deMeneux
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <v39kl2p6djvhp509u1harg6b3opkvps0ue@4ax.com>,
> Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
>
>
>>The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
>>there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
>>replaced the ball.
>>
>>What's the rule that applies here?
>
>
> Outside agency. Replace your ball as nearly as possible to spot where it
> originally came to rest and carry on. No penalty for anyone.
>
The guy who marks it should be the guy who replaces it.
--
Watson deMeneux
-Say it out loud next time you're in a restaurant.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 02:10:08
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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In article <tvr6h.312782$1T2.138568@pd7urf2no >,
Watson deMeneux <Nevermind@server.it > wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <v39kl2p6djvhp509u1harg6b3opkvps0ue@4ax.com>,
> > Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
> >>there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
> >>replaced the ball.
> >>
> >>What's the rule that applies here?
> >
> >
> > Outside agency. Replace your ball as nearly as possible to spot where it
> > originally came to rest and carry on. No penalty for anyone.
> >
>
> The guy who marks it should be the guy who replaces it.
Only if he does so under the direction of the player. Otherwise, he/she
is simply an outside agency. That that outside agency provides a mark
for where your ball lay simply lets you determine with greater accuracy
where it should be replaced.
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 04:50:09
From: Watson deMeneux
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <tvr6h.312782$1T2.138568@pd7urf2no>,
> Watson deMeneux <Nevermind@server.it> wrote:
>
>
>>Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>>In article <v39kl2p6djvhp509u1harg6b3opkvps0ue@4ax.com>,
>>> Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
>>>>there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
>>>>replaced the ball.
>>>>
>>>>What's the rule that applies here?
>>>
>>>
>>>Outside agency. Replace your ball as nearly as possible to spot where it
>>>originally came to rest and carry on. No penalty for anyone.
>>>
>>
>>The guy who marks it should be the guy who replaces it.
>
>
> Only if he does so under the direction of the player. Otherwise, he/she
> is simply an outside agency. That that outside agency provides a mark
> for where your ball lay simply lets you determine with greater accuracy
> where it should be replaced.
>
Even greater accuracy occurs when the non-owner marker replaces the
ball, removes his mark and then the ball owner marks.
In any event, there's no penalty...
--
Watson deMeneux
-Say it out loud next time you're in a restaurant.
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 10:29:14
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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Watson deMeneux wrote:
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> The guy who marks it should be the guy who replaces it.
>
Not strictly true.
Rule 20-3. Placing and Replacing.
"..If a ball is to be replaced, the player, his partner or the person
who lifted or moved it must place it on the spot from which it was
lifted or moved. In any such case the player is responsible for any
breach of the rules...."
cheers
david
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 15:30:35
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:19:49 -0700, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net >
wrote:
>The other day, I saw someone tee off and reach a par-4 green while
>there were people putting. They marked his ball, putted out, and
>replaced the ball.
>
>What's the rule that applies here?
I would think those other people were just an outside agency and they
guy could play his ball without penalty.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 09:40:15
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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Mark Myers wrote:
> On 14 Nov 2006 18:01:59 -0800, Thor said...
> >
> > david s-a wrote:
> > > Thor wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What if after you hit a great bunker shot some guy marks your ball
> > > > while you
> > > > are raking the deep bunker and you don't see him do it and then tosses
> > > > your
> > > > ball out of the way on the fringe and you come up and see your ball on
> > > > the fringe
> > > > and the guy just stands there and watches you putt it from the wrong
> > > > place and
> > > > then as you walk off the green you see the ball marker on the ground
> > > > and say
> > > > "What's this?" and the guy says - "Oh, that's mine from where I marked
> > > > your ball".
> > > >
> > > > -- Thor
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > See Decision 15-3b/3.
> > >
> > > Basically, because the ball had been lifted and not properly replaced it
> > > was 'out of play'. When you played a stroke at it you had technically
> > > played a 'wrong ball'...but because you didn't know it had been lifted
> > > you could not be penalised for this. Once you became aware of the
> > > mistake...as you were walking off the green and before you had played
> > > from the next tee...you were obliged to replace your ball on the correct
> > > spot and replay out the hole from there, without any penalty. Fail to do
> > > this at this point and you would have been penalised according to the
> > > 'wrong ball' rule (R15-3b, 2-strokes), and would then have been
> > > disqualified if you failed to correct the error. If, however, you had
> > > played from the next tee before you discovered the mistake then there is
> > > thankfully no penalty and the score with the 'wrong ball' counts.
> > >
> > > Clear now?
> >
> > What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
>
> Shoot him.
He's skinnier than a bullet.... I guess I'd have to use a shotgun.
PS: Hi Mark! When you coming over for an RSG-USG rematch?
-- Thor
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 15:19:55
From: Mark Myers
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On 15 Nov 2006 09:40:15 -0800, Thor said...
>
> Mark Myers wrote:
> > On 14 Nov 2006 18:01:59 -0800, Thor said...
> > >
> > >
> > > What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
> >
> > Shoot him.
>
> He's skinnier than a bullet.... I guess I'd have to use a shotgun.
Just make sure you stand close enough then.
> PS: Hi Mark! When you coming over for an RSG-USG rematch?
The prospect is very tempting. It was great seeing you guys last time.
PS I've enjoyed reading about some of your recent events.
--
Mark Myers
usenet2 at mcm2002 dot f9 dot co dot uk
I have all the specs and diagrams at home.
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 07:53:36
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:12:31 +1100, david s-a
> <dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >Thor wrote:
> >> What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
> >Your opponent incurs a penalty stroke (Rule 18-3b) for lifting your ball
> >without authority.....however, being Matchplay, it is up to you to make
> >the claim in a timely manner, and then correct the error. Similarly it
> >is up to him to make a claim on you if you fail to correct the error.
> >
> >Otherwise the incident simply passes, and the score for the hole remains
> >as agreed!
> What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
> Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
> world class course by "those in the know"?
Can a golf course be reclusive? What is it - a hermit?
> What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
> on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
> the ball?
The player I am sure is very very grateful.
What does that have to do with winning?
-- Thor
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 13:23:57
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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On 16 Nov 2006 07:53:36 -0800, "Thor" <thorpub@rsgohio.com > wrote:
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:12:31 +1100, david s-a
>> <dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >Thor wrote:
>> >> What if it was match play and it was your opponent who marked the ball?
>> >Your opponent incurs a penalty stroke (Rule 18-3b) for lifting your ball
>> >without authority.....however, being Matchplay, it is up to you to make
>> >the claim in a timely manner, and then correct the error. Similarly it
>> >is up to him to make a claim on you if you fail to correct the error.
>> >
>> >Otherwise the incident simply passes, and the score for the hole remains
>> >as agreed!
>
>> What if the course was a sweet, reclusive, private course, designed by
>> Dick Wilson in the mid 1950s, and is generally considered to be a
>> world class course by "those in the know"?
>
>Can a golf course be reclusive? What is it - a hermit?
>
>> What if the player whose ball was moved was enjoying a round of golf
>> on this course for free due to the generosity of the person who moved
>> the ball?
>
>The player I am sure is very very grateful.
>
>What does that have to do with winning?
>
>-- Thor
It has to do with being a thankful guest and not biting the hand that
feeds you.
Mmmmmmm, Maketewah.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 20 Nov 2006 08:28:51
From: Thor
Subject: Re: Marking someone else's ball
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Mark Myers wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2006 09:40:15 -0800, Thor said...
> > PS: Hi Mark! When you coming over for an RSG-USG rematch?
>
> The prospect is very tempting. It was great seeing you guys last time.
Well... how about next September?
I owe you a trouncing...
-- Thor
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