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Main Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:24:36 From: larry Subject: Kerry Screws the Dems WASHINGTON — The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California students that those unable to navigate the country's education system"get stuck in Iraq." "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran and Bush's rival in 2004, fired back, saying the president and his administration are the ones who owe U.S. troops an apology because they"misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it." "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium." Snow was asked about the comment which Kerry made during a campaign rally Monday for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides. The White House spokesman was clearly ready, consulting his notes to read a fuller account of Kerry's statement and unleashing a sharp attack. The Massachusetts senator, who is considering another presidential run in 2008, had opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but now"lives in a state of denial." Then he said:"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." Snow said the quote"fits a pattern"of negative remarks from Kerry about U.S. soldiers and suggested that whether Democratic candidates _ particularly those running on their military service backgrounds _ agree with their 2004 standard-bearer should be a campaign litmus test. Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the 2004 Kerry-Bush race. Even Kerry has blamed his slow and uncertain response to the group's claims for helping doom his White House chances. Snow said a lot of Americans have joined the military since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "As for the notion that you can say this sort of thing about the troops and say you support them, it's interesting,"the press secretary said. A potential rival to Kerry in 2008 _ Republican Sen. John McCain _ said in a statement that Kerry"owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education." Like Kerry, McCain is a decorated Vietnam veteran. House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, also called on Kerry to apologize, labeling his comments"disrespectful and insulting to the men and women serving in our military." ___   Date: 31 Oct 2006 12:41:16 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message news:k55fk2hviqaqq9stf2j2ilgrmctnmpqc6n@4ax.com... > > "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded > statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks > that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in > war, but love to attack those who did. Um, excuse me, didnt YOU just attack the troops stupid? >I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece > >standing behind a podium." As compared to a stuffed suit wannabe mouthpiece standing behind a podium? Better luck in 2012 ahole.     Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:15:02 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Man, if only Kerry had "screwed the Dems" like this two years ago, he's be President Kerry today. Gawd, how I hate beltway Dem consultants. -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/       Date: 31 Oct 2006 11:46:48 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 19:15:02 GMT, Chris Bellomy <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote: >Man, if only Kerry had "screwed the Dems" like this two years >ago, he's be President Kerry today. > >Gawd, how I hate beltway Dem consultants. You are watching the Democrats unraveling before the November 7 elections. Now you will see the polls show that independents have just noticed, that they see the difference-- and their preferences will now swing back to the sane party. This Kerry dustup screws up the Democratic plan to just keep quiet, stay low and say nothing until after the election-- to avoid questions about THEIR alternative plan-- which is non-existent. Thanks to Kerry, now the spotlight comes back to the democrats-- and reveals that they have no plan other than "cut and run" and to undermine our troops in the field. Like Kerry, the whole democratic party is UNFIT to lead. Larry         Date: 31 Oct 2006 23:14:13 From: A Brick in the Wall Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message news:li9fk21jlm4ao69j96sm3l1mka8d13667c@4ax.com... > On Tue, 31 2006 19:15:02 GMT, Chris Bellomy > <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote: > >>Man, if only Kerry had "screwed the Dems" like this two years >>ago, he's be President Kerry today. >> >>Gawd, how I hate beltway Dem consultants. > > You are watching the Democrats unraveling before the November 7 > elections. Now you will see the polls show that independents have > just noticed, that they see the difference-- and their preferences > will now swing back to the sane party. > Those that have failed so outrageously and often in their predictions of the last 6 years --- SHOULD STOP MAKING PREDICTIONS. > This Kerry dustup screws up the Democratic plan to just keep quiet, > stay low and say nothing until after the election-- to avoid > questions about THEIR alternative plan-- which is non-existent. > > Thanks to Kerry, now the spotlight comes back to the democrats-- and > reveals that they have no plan other than "cut and run" and to > undermine our troops in the field. Like Kerry, the whole democratic > party is UNFIT to lead. > > Larry   Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:53:08 From: annika1980 Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." Seems to me that apology should be coming from Bush and Rumsfeld. But what do I know about apologies?     Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:05:49 From: jeffc Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message news:1162342388.469023.254930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but > also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White > House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." > > Seems to me that apology should be coming from Bush and Rumsfeld. > > But what do I know about apologies? If you had to apologize every time you botched a line, Bush would have time for nothing else. This attack against Kerry is comical. There have been entire videos made of Bush's butcheries of delivery. It's a total joke.   Date: 31 Oct 2006 15:25:39 From: Dene Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Larry Bud wrote: > > Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs > > serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and > > pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into > > college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military > > service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their > > intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. > > You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > words were: > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > **MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move > up the economic ladder'. > > His words are clear. Well said, Larry. I would add that many G.I.'s enlisted because they love their country and felt it was their patriotic duty. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the majority have this mindset. Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? -Greg     Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:00:15 From: jeffc Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message news:1162337139.072649.279480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. He's the worst president ever. > But > the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? WTF does that have to do with it? What if it was? It beats the crap out of Bush, which isn't really saying much at all. I mean what is that non-sequitur even doing at the end of your post? Just proving you can't string together logically meaningful ideas? Kerry isn't president, Bush is, and he's horrible at it, just like he's been horrible at every other things he's tried. Whatever "success" he's had has been due to money and influence of others. He's pathetic.       Date: 01 Nov 2006 00:44:08 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com > wrote > > Kerry isn't president, Bush is, and he's horrible at it, > just like he's been horrible at every other things he's tried. He was a terrific cheerleader in college. Randy       Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:35:46 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:00:15 GMT, "jeffc" <jeffc226@yahoo.com > wrote: > >"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote in message >news:1162337139.072649.279480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> >> Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. > >He's the worst president ever. > >> But >> the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? > >WTF does that have to do with it? What if it was? It beats the crap out of >Bush, which isn't really saying much at all. I mean what is that >non-sequitur even doing at the end of your post? Just proving you can't >string together logically meaningful ideas? Kerry isn't president, Bush is, >and he's horrible at it, just like he's been horrible at every other things >he's tried. Whatever "success" he's had has been due to money and influence >of others. He's pathetic. No war in history has been popular for the president. EVERY president with a war lasting over 2 years suffers in popularity. Bush knew his popularity would take a hit-- but pursued the War in Afghanistan and Iraq anyhow-- because he knew more and bigger 9/11s would happen on his watch if he did not. Bush was the most successful and popular Governor of Texas in their history-- going back to Sam Houston. He was reelected with 70+% plurality-- which means both democrats and republicans voted for him. If Iraq were not a factor, Bush would be 65% popular today. But responsible people do what must be done. Clinton would have done what got him the higher poll ratings-- and this country would have been ruthlessly attacked again and again on a democrat president's watch. Larry >     Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:33:33 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 31 2006 15:25:39 -0800, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote: > >Larry Bud wrote: >> > Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs >> > serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and >> > pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into >> > college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military >> > service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their >> > intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. >> >> You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but >> Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact >> words were: >> >> "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you >> do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. >> If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." >> >> **MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move >> up the economic ladder'. >> >> His words are clear. > >Well said, Larry. I would add that many G.I.'s enlisted because they >love their country and felt it was their patriotic duty. Wouldn't >surprise me a bit if the majority have this mindset. > >Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But >the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? Yep, and those two morons are better than the upcoming Congressional leadership (if they win). Pelosi, Rangle, Conyers, etc. They will put a judge, Hastings, who was impeached, in as a Committee Chairman. So yes, pitiful as it is, Gore and Kerry are the best of the Democrats. The good news would be that they would be powerless, Bush would veto any and everything they passed-- and the country would get to see and hear them on the news-- which would turn the ENTIRE country off big time. The next 2 years would be their little splash in the pan and that would ensure a HUGE Republican win in 2008 for both House, Senate, and President. Larry > >-Greg       Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:01:59 From: jeffc Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message news:uiqfk2pvb3j6pr64kga819utad3jngfv6g@4ax.com... > > The good news would be that they would be powerless, Bush would veto > any and everything they passed-- and the country would get to see and > hear them on the news-- which would turn the ENTIRE country off big > time. In case you haven't noticed from whatever little shit hole in the ground you live in, the entire country IS turned off right now.         Date: 31 Oct 2006 23:33:38 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems jeffc wrote: > "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message > news:uiqfk2pvb3j6pr64kga819utad3jngfv6g@4ax.com... >> The good news would be that they would be powerless, Bush would veto >> any and everything they passed-- and the country would get to see and >> hear them on the news-- which would turn the ENTIRE country off big >> time. > > In case you haven't noticed from whatever little shit hole in the ground you > live in, the entire country IS turned off right now. > Seven days and counting.       Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:09:24 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Dene" wrote: > >Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But > >the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? Lllarry wrote: > Yep, and those two morons are better than the upcoming Congressional > leadership (if they win). Pelosi, Rangle, Conyers, etc. They will > put a judge, Hastings, who was impeached, in as a Committee Chairman. > So yes, pitiful as it is, Gore and Kerry are the best of the > Democrats. <snip > Gore and Kerry are significantly more articulate than your boy was or is. It would not be hard to believe they are smarter than him as well.         Date: 31 Oct 2006 23:11:29 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems JJK wrote: > "Dene" wrote: >>> Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But >>> the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? > > Lllarry wrote: >> Yep, and those two morons are better than the upcoming Congressional >> leadership (if they win). Pelosi, Rangle, Conyers, etc. They will >> put a judge, Hastings, who was impeached, in as a Committee Chairman. >> So yes, pitiful as it is, Gore and Kerry are the best of the >> Democrats. > <snip> > > > Gore and Kerry are significantly more articulate than your boy was or is. It > would not be hard to believe they are smarter than him as well. Supposed objective evaluations of all three put Bush in the lead on the GPA front.           Date: 02 Nov 2006 00:04:53 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Dene" wrote: > >>> Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But > >>> the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? > > > > Lllarry wrote: > >> Yep, and those two morons are better than the upcoming Congressional > >> leadership (if they win). Pelosi, Rangle, Conyers, etc. They will > >> put a judge, Hastings, who was impeached, in as a Committee Chairman. > >> So yes, pitiful as it is, Gore and Kerry are the best of the > >> Democrats. > > <snip> JJK wrote: > > Gore and Kerry are significantly more articulate than your boy was or is. It > > would not be hard to believe they are smarter than him as well. Bert Robbins wrote: > Supposed objective evaluations of all three put Bush in the lead on the > GPA front. The key words were "supposedly objective".             Date: 01 Nov 2006 19:52:09 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems JJK wrote: > JJK wrote: >>> Gore and Kerry are significantly more articulate than your boy was or > is. It >>> would not be hard to believe they are smarter than him as well. > > Bert Robbins wrote: >> Supposed objective evaluations of all three put Bush in the lead on the >> GPA front. > > > The key words were "supposedly objective". Grade inflation by college professors is the first area to look at. Was the SAT subjective or objective at the time? Had the SAT's been "adjusted" to increase everyones scores?               Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:22:23 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:52:09 -0500, Bert Robbins <screw@you.com > wrote: >JJK wrote: >> JJK wrote: >>>> Gore and Kerry are significantly more articulate than your boy was or >> is. It >>>> would not be hard to believe they are smarter than him as well. >> >> Bert Robbins wrote: >>> Supposed objective evaluations of all three put Bush in the lead on the >>> GPA front. >> >> >> The key words were "supposedly objective". > >Grade inflation by college professors is the first area to look at. > >Was the SAT subjective or objective at the time? Had the SAT's been >"adjusted" to increase everyones scores? > I know a good test, lets just admit that the smartest among them is the guy who got himself elected twice as Governor of the second largest state and then elected twice as President of the US. I say the smartest guy among them is the one that history will still remember 100 years from now-- In comparison, 20 years from now it will be the most obscure trivia to recall the men Bush ran against in 2000 and 2004. Tiny men who will disappear into oblivion. Larry                 Date: 02 Nov 2006 03:18:16 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems > >> Bert Robbins wrote: > >Grade inflation by college professors is the first area to look at. > > > >Was the SAT subjective or objective at the time? Had the SAT's been > >"adjusted" to increase everyones scores? Larry sock pupetted: > I know a good test, lets just admit that the smartest among them is > the guy who got himself elected twice as Governor of the second > largest state and then elected twice as President of the US. I say > the smartest guy among them is the one that history will still > remember 100 years from now-- > > In comparison, 20 years from now it will be the most obscure trivia to > recall the men Bush ran against in 2000 and 2004. Tiny men who will > disappear into oblivion. Oblivion, meet Larry.         Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:43:08 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net > wrote in message news:U5V1h.3306$VX5.254@trnddc05... > "Dene" wrote: >> >Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But >> >the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? > > Lllarry wrote: >> Yep, and those two morons are better than the upcoming Congressional >> leadership (if they win). Pelosi, Rangle, Conyers, etc. They will >> put a judge, Hastings, who was impeached, in as a Committee Chairman. >> So yes, pitiful as it is, Gore and Kerry are the best of the >> Democrats. > <snip> > > > Gore and Kerry are significantly more articulate than your boy was or is. > It > would not be hard to believe they are smarter than him as well. > Kerry is living proof that articulation and brains don't necessarily go hand in hand.           Date: 02 Nov 2006 00:34:57 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "MnMikew" wrote: > Kerry is living proof that articulation and brains don't necessarily go hand > in hand. Your statement above makes no sense.       Date: 31 Oct 2006 20:41:41 From: Jack Hollis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 16:33:33 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: >The good news would be that they would be powerless, Bush would veto >any and everything they passed-- and the country would get to see and >hear them on the news-- which would turn the ENTIRE country off big >time. The next 2 years would be their little splash in the pan and >that would ensure a HUGE Republican win in 2008 for both House, >Senate, and President. If the Democrats win the House it will have little effect one way or the other. I've never been against gridlock. If the Dems take the Senate it will be another story. Judicial nominees sent by Bush will never get out of committee. It's important to keep the flow of Bush federal judges going strong and, who knows, a USSC justice might retire or die in the next two years. One up side to a Democratic House is that it will help elect a Republican President in 2008. Of course, if they send up Hillary, they will have no chance no matter what happens next week.         Date: 01 Nov 2006 02:05:05 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote: : If the Democrats win the House it will have little effect one way or : the other. Subpoena power. -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/           Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:23:22 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:05:05 GMT, Chris Bellomy <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote: >Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote: > >: If the Democrats win the House it will have little effect one way or >: the other. > >Subpoena power. Hillary and Bill demonstrated that subpoenas are to be ignored. Larry           Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:00:49 From: Jack Hollis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:05:05 GMT, Chris Bellomy <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote: > If the Democrats win the House it will have little effect one way or >: the other. > >Subpoena power. That would be a case of, "Go ahead, make my day." I think most Democrats know that would be a big mistake.             Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:23:19 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote: : On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:05:05 GMT, Chris Bellomy : <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote: : : > If the Democrats win the House it will have little effect one way or : >: the other. : > : >Subpoena power. : : That would be a case of, "Go ahead, make my day." You keep saying that in the face of all evidence to the contrary. When the polls say that a supermajority wants an investigation into the corruption surrounding the war, I tend to believe them before I believe you. Sorry. -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/       Date: 31 Oct 2006 18:40:35 From: Lloyd Parsons Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <uiqfk2pvb3j6pr64kga819utad3jngfv6g@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On 31 2006 15:25:39 -0800, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote: > > > > >Larry Bud wrote: > >> > Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs > >> > serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and > >> > pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into > >> > college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military > >> > service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their > >> > intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. > >> > >> You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > >> Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > >> words were: > >> > >> "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > >> do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > >> If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > >> > >> **MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move > >> up the economic ladder'. > >> > >> His words are clear. > > > >Well said, Larry. I would add that many G.I.'s enlisted because they > >love their country and felt it was their patriotic duty. Wouldn't > >surprise me a bit if the majority have this mindset. > > > >Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But > >the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? > > Yep, and those two morons are better than the upcoming Congressional > leadership (if they win). Pelosi, Rangle, Conyers, etc. They will > put a judge, Hastings, who was impeached, in as a Committee Chairman. > So yes, pitiful as it is, Gore and Kerry are the best of the > Democrats. > > The good news would be that they would be powerless, Bush would veto > any and everything they passed-- and the country would get to see and > hear them on the news-- which would turn the ENTIRE country off big > time. The next 2 years would be their little splash in the pan and > that would ensure a HUGE Republican win in 2008 for both House, > Senate, and President. > > Larry Assuming the dems take over the Congress and Bush vetoes everything they do. That would pretty much tell the public exactly where Bush and the repugs stand. I think that would ensure a total Dem victory in 2008!     Date: 31 Oct 2006 17:31:41 From: Lloyd Parsons Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162337139.072649.279480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote: > Larry Bud wrote: > > > Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs > > > serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and > > > pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into > > > college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military > > > service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their > > > intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. > > > > You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > > Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > > words were: > > > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > > > **MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move > > up the economic ladder'. > > > > His words are clear. > > Well said, Larry. I would add that many G.I.'s enlisted because they > love their country and felt it was their patriotic duty. Wouldn't > surprise me a bit if the majority have this mindset. > > Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But > the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? > > -Greg Based on my personal experiences, most military members joined for lots of reasons. #1 is not the patriotism, except in some very specific times in history. But, they do learn about patriotism and it becomes an important reason for staying in.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:15:37 From: John Reddy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162337139.072649.279480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote: > Well said, Larry. I would add that many G.I.'s enlisted because they > love their country and felt it was their patriotic duty. Wouldn't > surprise me a bit if the majority have this mindset. > > Ya know....Bush is the worst Republican president I can think of. But > the Dems....is Kerry and Gore the best they have to offer? > > -Greg On 60 Minutes last Sunday, there was a story about military medical care in Iraq. In that story was an interview with a young GI who had lost a leg, part of his tongue, as well as suffering a shattered jaw and a few other injuries. The guy was in rehab at the time and his attitude was unbelievably optimistic. He was proud to have served his country, did not whine about being gravely wounded and was incredibly optimistic about his future. Listening to this guy brought tears to my eyes. No whining, no brooding and no bashing of US policy that put him in his current situation. I'm proud to know that there are still men like that in our country. Two days later, hearing that stuffed shirt piece of shit denigrate this guy and all his brethren made me want to put a brick through the TV. And then the pig compounds his insult by trying to get us to believe that his words were intended as an insult to Bush. He was simply pandering to his audience, telling him that they were above all that tawdry business like service to country and patriotism. "No, Sir, you privileged gentlemen are good young Democrat elitists and if you continue to vote for us we will make sure that you don't ever have to dirty your hands in something as distasteful as the defense of this country. That's for the riff raff." Kerry's hands will never be clean. He is a filthy swine opportunist who will say anything to anybody as long as it promotes him and his agenda. JFK = Just For Kerry   Date: 31 Oct 2006 14:49:03 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems > Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs > serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and > pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into > college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military > service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their > intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact words were: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." **MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move up the economic ladder'. His words are clear.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:37:14 From: aeiouy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1162334943.246782.171640@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs >> serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and >> pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into >> college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military >> service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their >> intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. > > You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > words were: > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." It was an attempt at a joke. He meant to say "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you *end up getting us* stuck in Iraq" Which is true     Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:28:47 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 31 2006 14:49:03 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: >> Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs >> serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and >> pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into >> college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military >> service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their >> intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. > >You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but >Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact >words were: > >"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you >do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. >If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > >**MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move >up the economic ladder'. > >His words are clear. Kerry is a typical "limosine liberal" elitist looking down his nose at lower class enlisted people. His words betrayed exactly how he feels. He would't give any of them the time of day. He married money and thus he thinks he IS money. A gigolo living in 4 mansions around the world and flying on private jets on the weath earned by poor dead John Hines--a Republican, BTW. Larry     Date: 31 Oct 2006 22:51:06 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162334943.246782.171640@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: > > Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs > > serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and > > pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into > > college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military > > service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their > > intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. > > You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > words were: > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > **MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move > up the economic ladder'. > > His words are clear. Yes... "make an effort" was the key point. -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)     Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:38:54 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1162334943.246782.171640@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs >> serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and >> pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into >> college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military >> service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their >> intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. > > You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > words were: > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > **MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE SMART**. He didn't say 'make an effort to move > up the economic ladder'. > > His words are clear. > Yup stick a fork in him, he's done. Who needs "ober surprises" when You have JK on the other side.   Date: 31 Oct 2006 13:40:28 From: Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems I frankly love my troops enough that I don't want them to be part of the emerging civil war there. I'm sure almost all of them want to come home while they're still in one piece. MnMikew wrote: > "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message > news:k55fk2hviqaqq9stf2j2ilgrmctnmpqc6n@4ax.com... > > > > "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded > > statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks > > that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in > > war, but love to attack those who did. > > Um, excuse me, didnt YOU just attack the troops stupid? > > >I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece > > >standing behind a podium." > > As compared to a stuffed suit wannabe mouthpiece standing behind a podium? > Better luck in 2012 ahole.     Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:25:23 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 31 2006 13:40:28 -0800, jgrace5@hotmail.com wrote: >I frankly love my troops enough that I don't want them to be part of >the emerging civil war there. I'm sure almost all of them want to come >home while they're still in one piece. Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets unemployed. The troops know that and thus they want the US to continue this and all wars. It is worth the risk. Iraq is still statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. Larry > >MnMikew wrote: >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message >> news:k55fk2hviqaqq9stf2j2ilgrmctnmpqc6n@4ax.com... >> > >> > "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded >> > statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks >> > that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in >> > war, but love to attack those who did. >> >> Um, excuse me, didnt YOU just attack the troops stupid? >> >> >I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece >> > >standing behind a podium." >> >> As compared to a stuffed suit wannabe mouthpiece standing behind a podium? >> Better luck in 2012 ahole.       Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:38:09 From: aeiouy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems > > Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of > them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets > unemployed. The troops know that and thus they want the US to > continue this and all wars. It is worth the risk. Iraq is still > statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. > > Larry I call bullshit. Prove it. Prove that the troops want to continue this war. Prove that Iraq is safer than DC or Detroit         Date: 31 Oct 2006 23:51:49 From: Otto Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems My little anecdote. Played 18 holes with a young soldier from the 101st airborne back from his second tour in Iraq. He was there for the initial invasion. He is one of the "low timers". Some have 3 or 4 tours. My question for him: How do the guys feel over there? His answer: They are tired of it. Let's face it. Bush broke it. The military(a tool) was victorious by May of 03. No military solution after that. It's the problem of the policy makers after May of 2003. You know---the Bush crowd and the Republican majority. The Dems are the minority and control nothing. NOTHING. The Dems control no more or no less---they control nothing. NOTHING. The GIs are the heroes and did what they are trained for. After they did that-----they have also been asked to stand in front of the policy makers and take a hit of nearly 3000 dead and 20,000 wounded(half critically and with life altering injuries). And now they are political pawns. Shame on you policy makers of the United States(Repubs and Dems). Shame on you! Take the shame home with you and take it to your grave. Otto "aeiouy" <aeiouy@vowels.com > wrote in message news:RwV1h.13863$8C4.5853@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > >> Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of >> them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets >> unemployed. The troops know that and thus they want the US to >> continue this and all wars. It is worth the risk. Iraq is still >> statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. >> >> Larry > I call bullshit. Prove it. Prove that the troops want to continue this > war. Prove that Iraq is safer than DC or Detroit > >           Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:00:27 From: multi Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 23:51:49 -0500, "Otto" <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote: >Let's face it. Bush broke it. The military(a tool) was victorious by May of >03. No military solution after that. Bingo. The latest Republican talking point, seen even in this group, is to ask, "Do you want the US to win in Iraq?" The obvious answer is, we did win. We smashed the Iraqi army, overthrew the Iraqi government, and captured Saddam Hussein. That was winning. What followed, and what we are still in, was not a war, but an occupation. You cannot win an occupation, you can only end it. We will end it sooner or later, and after we leave, the Iraqis will fight among themselves for power. The only question is how many more American soldiers have to die before that happens. If it is even one, that is too many, because no amount of American deaths will change the ultimate result --- we will leave, and the Iraqis will fight among themselves. It is a testimony to the utter disregard of Bush and Cheney for the American troops that we are still there. The Iraqi people don't want us there. Even the puppet government we set up is now telling our generals how to deploy US troops, telling Bush that they don't need no stinking benchmarks, and demanding another $100 billion in reconstruction funds. Fuck them. Bring our troops home, and let the Iraqis finish their civil war now, instead of X years from now, after another X thousand of our troops have died for absolutely nothing.             Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:20:49 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:00:27 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote: >On Tue, 31 2006 23:51:49 -0500, "Otto" ><ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>Let's face it. Bush broke it. The military(a tool) was victorious by May of >>03. No military solution after that. > >Bingo. The latest Republican talking point, seen even in this group, >is to ask, "Do you want the US to win in Iraq?" > >The obvious answer is, we did win. We smashed the Iraqi army, >overthrew the Iraqi government, and captured Saddam Hussein. That was >winning. What followed, and what we are still in, was not a war, but >an occupation. You cannot win an occupation, you can only end it. We >will end it sooner or later, and after we leave, the Iraqis will fight >among themselves for power. The only question is how many more >American soldiers have to die before that happens. If it is even one, >that is too many, because no amount of American deaths will change the >ultimate result --- we will leave, and the Iraqis will fight among >themselves. > >It is a testimony to the utter disregard of Bush and Cheney for the >American troops that we are still there. The Iraqi people don't want >us there. Even the puppet government we set up is now telling our >generals how to deploy US troops, telling Bush that they don't need no >stinking benchmarks, and demanding another $100 billion in >reconstruction funds. Fuck them. Bring our troops home, and let the >Iraqis finish their civil war now, instead of X years from now, after >another X thousand of our troops have died for absolutely nothing. If we did that and Iran and Syria invaded and took over Iraq-- and it became a haven for Al Queda and terrorists training to attack the West-- using that oil to buy WMD-- can we count on you to go over and fight? We would need you because the Army and Marines who are there would be discharged as they come home. It just seems fair that those who advocated leaving before the Iraq government is strong enough to defend itself from ouside invaders-- should be the first to volunteer if it turns out they were wrong... Something tells me you would be in Canada or somewhere not so likely to be an Al Queda target..... Larry               Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:50:38 From: multi Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:20:49 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: >On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:00:27 -0800, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote: > >>On Tue, 31 2006 23:51:49 -0500, "Otto" >><ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>Let's face it. Bush broke it. The military(a tool) was victorious by May of >>>03. No military solution after that. >> >>Bingo. The latest Republican talking point, seen even in this group, >>is to ask, "Do you want the US to win in Iraq?" >> >>The obvious answer is, we did win. We smashed the Iraqi army, >>overthrew the Iraqi government, and captured Saddam Hussein. That was >>winning. What followed, and what we are still in, was not a war, but >>an occupation. You cannot win an occupation, you can only end it. We >>will end it sooner or later, and after we leave, the Iraqis will fight >>among themselves for power. The only question is how many more >>American soldiers have to die before that happens. If it is even one, >>that is too many, because no amount of American deaths will change the >>ultimate result --- we will leave, and the Iraqis will fight among >>themselves. >> >>It is a testimony to the utter disregard of Bush and Cheney for the >>American troops that we are still there. The Iraqi people don't want >>us there. Even the puppet government we set up is now telling our >>generals how to deploy US troops, telling Bush that they don't need no >>stinking benchmarks, and demanding another $100 billion in >>reconstruction funds. Fuck them. Bring our troops home, and let the >>Iraqis finish their civil war now, instead of X years from now, after >>another X thousand of our troops have died for absolutely nothing. > >If we did that and Iran and Syria invaded and took over Iraq-- and it >became a haven for Al Queda and terrorists training to attack the >West-- using that oil to buy WMD-- can we count on you to go over and >fight? We would need you because the Army and Marines who are there >would be discharged as they come home. It just seems fair that those >who advocated leaving before the Iraq government is strong enough to >defend itself from ouside invaders-- should be the first to volunteer >if it turns out they were wrong... I suppose I could be wrong, but I wasn't wrong in 2003, when I said Bush was full of shit for saying that Iraq was a danger to the region, to Europe, and even to the USA. When he compared Saddam to Hitler, getting ready to conquer the whole world. The same country that you now say will take years and years, and billions and billions of US taxpayer money, before it can even defend itself. >Something tells me you would be in Canada or somewhere not so likely >to be an Al Queda target..... No need, I have a plan. We'll just invade some random country, say Fiji. By the Code of the Terrorists, al Qaeda and all other terrorists will immediately abandon all plans they have for attacking within the US, and will instead flock to Fiji. I'm not sure why they have that Code of the Terrorists that says they aren't allowed to attack the US until all fighting elsewhere has ceased, but I'm sure glad they do.       Date: 01 Nov 2006 03:25:00 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: >Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of >them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets >unemployed. Not for those who are in the National Guard.       Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:51:41 From: Otto Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Bovine squeeze. Otto "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message news:v6qfk2pl6i65p8bi7soa2b5vn7kcuiq405@4ax.com... > Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of > them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets > unemployed.         Date: 01 Nov 2006 01:18:44 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems That would be Larry expressing his support for the troops. Otto <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote: : Bovine squeeze. : : Otto : : : "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message : news:v6qfk2pl6i65p8bi7soa2b5vn7kcuiq405@4ax.com... : > Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of : > them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets : > unemployed. : : -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/           Date: 31 Oct 2006 20:35:02 From: Otto Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems LOL!! Yeah, he has some real faith in their abilities. Welcome home vets! You are now unemployed, unqualified, and no one wants you. We would rather hire illegal Mexicans. Otto "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message news:0T3jbhj7IitcN34@redshark.goodshow.net... > That would be Larry expressing his support for the troops. > > > Otto <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: > : Bovine squeeze. > : > : Otto > : > : > : "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message > : news:v6qfk2pl6i65p8bi7soa2b5vn7kcuiq405@4ax.com... > :> Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of > :> them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets > :> unemployed.       Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:46:53 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message news:v6qfk2pl6i65p8bi7soa2b5vn7kcuiq405@4ax.com... > On 31 2006 13:40:28 -0800, jgrace5@hotmail.com wrote: > >>I frankly love my troops enough that I don't want them to be part of >>the emerging civil war there. I'm sure almost all of them want to come >>home while they're still in one piece. > > Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of > them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets > unemployed. The troops know that and thus they want the US to > continue this and all wars. It is worth the risk. Iraq is still > statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. > > Larry So why don't you get off your patriotic ass and go sign up for the Army? Randy         Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:12:15 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 19:46:53 -0500, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: >"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message >news:v6qfk2pl6i65p8bi7soa2b5vn7kcuiq405@4ax.com... >> On 31 2006 13:40:28 -0800, jgrace5@hotmail.com wrote: >> >>>I frankly love my troops enough that I don't want them to be part of >>>the emerging civil war there. I'm sure almost all of them want to come >>>home while they're still in one piece. >> >> Lets get real. War is their "job." If we "bring them home," most of >> them would be discharged in only weeks, hitting the streets >> unemployed. The troops know that and thus they want the US to >> continue this and all wars. It is worth the risk. Iraq is still >> statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. >> >> Larry > > >So why don't you get off your patriotic ass and go sign up for the Army? I am 65, spent 30+ years USN. Larry       Date: 01 Nov 2006 09:43:32 From: multi Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: >Iraq is still >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. For the whole year. To that, add the fact that thanks to our incredibly efficient military dors, for every soldier killed in Iraq, there are at least ten more who suffer grievous wounds, but survive, because many of the killings are by bomb, grenade, or mortar. In Detroit, most of the killings are by pistol, so if you're not killed, you're probably not wounded, either. Yup, much safer in Iraq.         Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:18:58 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <d8mhk21dveqr7ldpsk8qq8dhca0o4vdejr@4ax.com >, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote: > On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> > wrote: > >Iraq is still > >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. > > I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at > lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional > fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one > in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded > compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored > transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more > dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, > even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are > untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no > protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. > For the whole year. Well he did say "certain parts". For example, there's a house on 17th street where someone was shot the other day. On that day, the certain part of Detroit consisting of that house was statistically way more dangerous than Iraq at its worst. Don't laugh, this is the way these dufuses think.           Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:31:16 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:18:58 -0800, The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote: >In article <d8mhk21dveqr7ldpsk8qq8dhca0o4vdejr@4ax.com>, > multi <multi@asm.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> >> wrote: >> >Iraq is still >> >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. >> >> I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at >> lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional >> fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one >> in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded >> compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored >> transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more >> dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, >> even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are >> untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no >> protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. >> For the whole year. > >Well he did say "certain parts". For example, there's a house on >17th street where someone was shot the other day. On that day, >the certain part of Detroit consisting of that house was >statistically way more dangerous than Iraq at its worst. > >Don't laugh, this is the way these dufuses think. And 100 people are killed in both of those cities in most months. No need to belabor proportionality. The newspapers hardly even report the 3 or 4 deaths that are normal each night in the ghettos of several large US cities. The police just stay out of those neighborhoods and let them settle their gang and drug deals. Larry         Date: 01 Nov 2006 19:09:33 From: Sparky Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1-Nov-2006, multi <multi@asm.org > wrote: > I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at > lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional > fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one > in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded > compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored > transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more > dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, > even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are > untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no > protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. > For the whole year. You know, some remedial math classes wouldn't hurt... me           Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:40:55 From: multi Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:09:33 GMT, "Sparky" <biff@funco.com > wrote: > >On 1-Nov-2006, multi <multi@asm.org> wrote: > >> I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at >> lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional >> fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one >> in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded >> compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored >> transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more >> dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, >> even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are >> untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no >> protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. >> For the whole year. > > You know, some remedial math classes wouldn't hurt... I heartily agree. Unfortunately, I'm too busy to teach them right now.   Date: 31 Oct 2006 21:36:41 From: Cesar Neri Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Doesn't really matter who takes control of the congress. If the Repubs retain control, it will be more the same, the most unproductive congress in history. If the Dems take over, they will launch some many investigations against the White House, the congress will also get bogged down. "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message news:k55fk2hviqaqq9stf2j2ilgrmctnmpqc6n@4ax.com... > WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > students that those unable to navigate the country's education > system"get stuck in Iraq." > > "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but > also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White > House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." > > Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran and Bush's rival in 2004, fired > back, saying the president and his administration are the ones who owe > U.S. troops an apology because they"misled America into war and have > given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed > and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of > defeating it." > > "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded > statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks > that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in > war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by > a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium." > > Snow was asked about the comment which Kerry made during a campaign > rally Monday for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil > Angelides. The White House spokesman was clearly ready, consulting his > notes to read a fuller account of Kerry's statement and unleashing a > sharp attack. > > The Massachusetts senator, who is considering another presidential run > in 2008, had opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several > one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but > now"lives in a state of denial." > > Then he said:"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you > study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, > you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > Snow said the quote"fits a pattern"of negative remarks from Kerry > about U.S. soldiers and suggested that whether Democratic candidates _ > particularly those running on their military service backgrounds _ > agree with their 2004 standard-bearer should be a campaign litmus > test. > > Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a > group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the > 2004 Kerry-Bush race. Even Kerry has blamed his slow and uncertain > response to the group's claims for helping doom his White House > chances. > > Snow said a lot of Americans have joined the military since the Sept. > 11 terrorist attacks. > > "As for the notion that you can say this sort of thing about the > troops and say you support them, it's interesting,"the press secretary > said. > > A potential rival to Kerry in 2008 _ Republican Sen. John McCain _ > said in a statement that Kerry"owes an apology to the many thousands > of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call > because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their > education." > > Like Kerry, McCain is a decorated Vietnam veteran. > > House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, also called on Kerry to > apologize, labeling his comments"disrespectful and insulting to the > men and women serving in our military." > > ___ >     Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:22:35 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 21:36:41 GMT, "Cesar Neri" <cesar.neri@hp.com > wrote: >Doesn't really matter who takes control of the congress. If the Repubs >retain control, it will be more the same, the most unproductive congress in >history. If the Dems take over, they will launch some many investigations >against the White House, the congress will also get bogged down. If Bush does what the Clintons did, he would simply ignore all subpoenas. Hillary ignored a subpoena for the Rose Law Firm billing records for 2 years. That would be long enough for Bush to retire. If Nixon had done what the Clintons did, he would have finished his term. Larry > >"larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message >news:k55fk2hviqaqq9stf2j2ilgrmctnmpqc6n@4ax.com... >> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >> system"get stuck in Iraq." >> >> "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but >> also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White >> House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." >> >> Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran and Bush's rival in 2004, fired >> back, saying the president and his administration are the ones who owe >> U.S. troops an apology because they"misled America into war and have >> given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed >> and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of >> defeating it." >> >> "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded >> statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks >> that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in >> war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by >> a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium." >> >> Snow was asked about the comment which Kerry made during a campaign >> rally Monday for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil >> Angelides. The White House spokesman was clearly ready, consulting his >> notes to read a fuller account of Kerry's statement and unleashing a >> sharp attack. >> >> The Massachusetts senator, who is considering another presidential run >> in 2008, had opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several >> one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but >> now"lives in a state of denial." >> >> Then he said:"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you >> study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, >> you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." >> >> Snow said the quote"fits a pattern"of negative remarks from Kerry >> about U.S. soldiers and suggested that whether Democratic candidates _ >> particularly those running on their military service backgrounds _ >> agree with their 2004 standard-bearer should be a campaign litmus >> test. >> >> Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a >> group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the >> 2004 Kerry-Bush race. Even Kerry has blamed his slow and uncertain >> response to the group's claims for helping doom his White House >> chances. >> >> Snow said a lot of Americans have joined the military since the Sept. >> 11 terrorist attacks. >> >> "As for the notion that you can say this sort of thing about the >> troops and say you support them, it's interesting,"the press secretary >> said. >> >> A potential rival to Kerry in 2008 _ Republican Sen. John McCain _ >> said in a statement that Kerry"owes an apology to the many thousands >> of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call >> because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their >> education." >> >> Like Kerry, McCain is a decorated Vietnam veteran. >> >> House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, also called on Kerry to >> apologize, labeling his comments"disrespectful and insulting to the >> men and women serving in our military." >> >> ___ >>   Date: 31 Oct 2006 12:46:48 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > >> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > >> students that those unable to navigate the country's education > >> system"get stuck in Iraq." > > > >I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells > >knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would > >make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. > > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. > > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. > > Larry Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. You don't find a lot of kids from the Upper East Side of Manhattan or Beverly Hills or Greenwich, Conn., serving in the US military, and that's a damn shame. But why on Earth would a combat veteran insult or malign those who are serving? He wouldn't and he didn't. You people know you're going to get hammered next week, so you're grasping for whatever ammo you can find to stave off the inevitable.     Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:20:08 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 31 2006 12:46:48 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >larry wrote: >> >> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >> >> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >> >> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >> >> system"get stuck in Iraq." >> > >> >I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells >> >knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would >> >make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. >> >> Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who >> really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This >> is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn >> that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and >> thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is >> "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. >> >> Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today >> and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's >> "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- >> more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. >> >> Larry > >Y'all can vilify Kerry all you want. But the fact is that most GIs >serving in Iraq and Afghanstan and elsewhere are poor and >pooly-educated. They don't do well enough in school to get into >college, or they can't afford to go to college. They see military >service as a way out of poverty. Kerry wasn't talking about their >intellect, he was talking about their socio-economic status. You don't >find a lot of kids from the Upper East Side of Manhattan or Beverly >Hills or Greenwich, Conn., serving in the US military, and that's a >damn shame. But why on Earth would a combat veteran insult or malign >those who are serving? He wouldn't and he didn't. You people know >you're going to get hammered next week, so you're grasping for whatever >ammo you can find to stave off the inevitable. The educational level in the military is higher than the general civilian populace-- by at least one year of formal schooling. They are all volunteers. For many the military is a better job than they could get "outside" in construction, police, etc. etc. The military provides a very real opportunity to finish a college education-- and that is strongly encouraged. Many go from enlisted to officer status by finishing their college degrees while in uniform. We'll see who gets "hammered" next week. You may be in for a very very rude surprise. Will you join Alex Baldwin and Barbra Streisand by leaving the country if Bush wins-- oh, wait! Bush won in 2004, they said they would leave--and those scumbags are still here!! Larry Larry   Date: 31 Oct 2006 15:24:41 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <k55fk2hviqaqq9stf2j2ilgrmctnmpqc6n@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > WASHINGTON — The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > students that those unable to navigate the country's education > system"get stuck in Iraq." > > "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but > also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White > House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." > > Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran and Bush's rival in 2004, fired > back, saying the president and his administration are the ones who owe > U.S. troops an apology because they"misled America into war and have > given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed > and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of > defeating it." > > "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded > statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks > that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in > war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by > a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium." > > Snow was asked about the comment which Kerry made during a campaign > rally Monday for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil > Angelides. The White House spokesman was clearly ready, consulting his > notes to read a fuller account of Kerry's statement and unleashing a > sharp attack. > > The Massachusetts senator, who is considering another presidential run > in 2008, had opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several > one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but > now"lives in a state of denial." > > Then he said:"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you > study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, > you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > Snow said the quote"fits a pattern"of negative remarks from Kerry > about U.S. soldiers and suggested that whether Democratic candidates _ > particularly those running on their military service backgrounds _ > agree with their 2004 standard-bearer should be a campaign litmus > test. > > Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a > group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the > 2004 Kerry-Bush race. Even Kerry has blamed his slow and uncertain > response to the group's claims for helping doom his White House > chances. > > Snow said a lot of Americans have joined the military since the Sept. > 11 terrorist attacks. > > "As for the notion that you can say this sort of thing about the > troops and say you support them, it's interesting,"the press secretary > said. > > A potential rival to Kerry in 2008 _ Republican Sen. John McCain _ > said in a statement that Kerry"owes an apology to the many thousands > of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call > because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their > education." > > Like Kerry, McCain is a decorated Vietnam veteran. > > House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, also called on Kerry to > apologize, labeling his comments"disrespectful and insulting to the > men and women serving in our military." > > ___ Thank you, Larry - more off topic, recycled, neocon 'Swift Boat' garbage fouling up this golf ng. You guys are getting more desperate by the second.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 00:10:50 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > Thank you, Larry - more off topic, recycled, neocon 'Swift Boat' garbage > fouling up this golf ng. > > You guys are getting more desperate by the second. William, I respectfully disagree. I think Larry is consistently very desperate.       Date: 31 Oct 2006 16:35:12 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:10:50 GMT, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net > wrote: >"William A. T. Clark" wrote: >> Thank you, Larry - more off topic, recycled, neocon 'Swift Boat' garbage >> fouling up this golf ng. >> >> You guys are getting more desperate by the second. > > > >William, I respectfully disagree. I think Larry is consistently very >desperate. William isn't even an American citizen. Who cares what he thinks about out politics???? Larry         Date: 01 Nov 2006 04:09:24 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > >> Thank you, Larry - more off topic, recycled, neocon 'Swift Boat' garbage > >> fouling up this golf ng. > >> > >> You guys are getting more desperate by the second. JJK wrote: > >William, I respectfully disagree. I think Larry is consistently very > >desperate. Larry wrote: > William isn't even an American citizen. Who cares what he thinks > about out politics???? I think you meant "our" politics (i.e., U.S. politics)!!!! Frankly, I don't care about William's age, faith, skin color, sex, sexual status, marital status, or country of origin. He appears to be several orders of magnitude smarter than you are. Whether or not I agree with him on any particular issue, it is clear that William is capable of sound reasoning, something you either cannot accomplish or stubbornly refuse to learn to do. FWIW, the Founding Fathers of the USA were initially not Americans. Based on your thought trickle, should we ignore anything they said and wrote? Your boy in the W'House seems to be doing that very well!         Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:57:22 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <vsqfk2hotsr3qh4aioc19kaigbcle1iv9v@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:10:50 GMT, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net> wrote: > > >"William A. T. Clark" wrote: > >> Thank you, Larry - more off topic, recycled, neocon 'Swift Boat' garbage > >> fouling up this golf ng. > >> > >> You guys are getting more desperate by the second. > > > > > > > >William, I respectfully disagree. I think Larry is consistently very > >desperate. > > William isn't even an American citizen. Who cares what he thinks > about out politics???? > > Larry Yup, they really are getting desperate - now he's getting openly xenophobic, too. It's quite comical, really. William Clark           Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:19:29 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 19:57:22 -0500, "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote: >In article <vsqfk2hotsr3qh4aioc19kaigbcle1iv9v@4ax.com>, > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:10:50 GMT, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> >"William A. T. Clark" wrote: >> >> Thank you, Larry - more off topic, recycled, neocon 'Swift Boat' garbage >> >> fouling up this golf ng. >> >> >> >> You guys are getting more desperate by the second. >> > >> > >> > >> >William, I respectfully disagree. I think Larry is consistently very >> >desperate. >> >> William isn't even an American citizen. Who cares what he thinks >> about out politics???? >> >> Larry > >Yup, they really are getting desperate - now he's getting openly >xenophobic, too. > >It's quite comical, really. Well, why not reveal the truth? Most posters here are unaware of your immigration status. Many don't realize you have little standing to comment on American politics. What's going on in France? You have equal credibility to comment on their politics.. Larry >             Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:08:41 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <84ihk255g86k75kdq4j05vj2jc37e1f78t@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On Tue, 31 2006 19:57:22 -0500, "William A. T. Clark" > <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote: > > >In article <vsqfk2hotsr3qh4aioc19kaigbcle1iv9v@4ax.com>, > > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:10:50 GMT, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net> wrote: > >> > >> >"William A. T. Clark" wrote: > >> >> Thank you, Larry - more off topic, recycled, neocon 'Swift Boat' garbage > >> >> fouling up this golf ng. > >> >> > >> >> You guys are getting more desperate by the second. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >William, I respectfully disagree. I think Larry is consistently very > >> >desperate. > >> > >> William isn't even an American citizen. Who cares what he thinks > >> about out politics???? > >> > >> Larry > > > >Yup, they really are getting desperate - now he's getting openly > >xenophobic, too. > > > >It's quite comical, really. > > Well, why not reveal the truth? Most posters here are unaware of > your immigration status. Many don't realize you have little standing > to comment on American politics. What's going on in France? You > have equal credibility to comment on their politics.. > > Larry > One, no one dispenses the right to comment on issues in any country. However, I would still claim to be every bit as informed as some longer term residents, as evidence daily by their comments on this ng. Nice try to play the race card, though. William Clark               Date: 02 Nov 2006 04:39:03 From: bill-o Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1-Nov-2006, "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote: > However, I would still claim to be every bit as informed as some longer > term residents Helas, this is none too hard. -- bill-o A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.   Date: 31 Oct 2006 11:46:54 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > students that those unable to navigate the country's education > system"get stuck in Iraq." I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it.     Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:53:17 From: Otto Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Tell Murtha that. Otto "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1162324014.808602.186640@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells > knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would > make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. >       Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:16:58 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 19:53:17 -0500, "Otto" <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote: >Tell Murtha that. Do some homework. Murtha was a reserve--NOT an active duty Marine--and was never brave under fire, etc. The real marines I know laugh at him--just as the Navy does at Kerry. Larry     Date: 31 Oct 2006 12:02:18 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >> system"get stuck in Iraq." > >I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells >knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would >make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. Larry       Date: 01 Nov 2006 00:40:21 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> >>larry wrote: >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. > > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. > > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. > > Larry Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. Of course, between you AND the president, there's not enough gray matter to comprise half a brain. So I wouldn't expect either of you to get it. Randy         Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:51:54 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems ""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message news:rqadnX8s7tzZrtXYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com... > > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > Only a person with a quarter of a brain would think that.       Date: 31 Oct 2006 15:26:00 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > >> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > >> students that those unable to navigate the country's education > >> system"get stuck in Iraq." > > > >I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells > >knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would > >make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. > > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. > > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. > > Larry Actually, Larry, it's millions plus one - you. You simply don't have a clue, do you? Swift Boats 2 is not going to cut it this time. William Clark       Date: 05 Nov 2006 16:21:58 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems William A. T. Clark wrote: > In article <454E1903.97B38708@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > wrote: > > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > > > > > In article <lJudnVD73rPWuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > William A. T. Clark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? > > > > > > > > What is the purpose of campus, college and university, speech codes? > > > > > > To prevent hate speech - something some of you on this ng seem to revel > > > in. Otherwise, to tolerate all opinions, races, and lifestyles. Most of > > > which you would clearly send to Antarctica. > > > > > > > IMHO, seriously, the comments you make about the current US government > > represent hate speech. Lucky for you I am not on the Ohio Board of regents! > > There you go again - completely ridiculous and contradictory assertions. > The Ohio Board of Regents PROTECT free speech, so good luck with them. > By the way, the most famous recent member of that Board was Tom Noe, the > convicted GoP coin dealer of OBWC fame, so there's a calibration for you. > What's some coin dealer got to do with who determines what constitutes "hate speech"? The comments you make about the US government come across to me as hate speech. It's one thing to disagree with a major political leader like George Bush, it's another to spread hateful comments. So you want "free speech" "protected" but a code to prevent "hate speech" So again, what is hate speech then, and again, IMHO, what you have said about the president of the United States is hate speech to my eyes...so who it is up to?         Date: 05 Nov 2006 19:55:43 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162772518.503253.244520@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote: > William A. T. Clark wrote: > > In article <454E1903.97B38708@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > > wrote: > > > > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > > > > > > > In article <lJudnVD73rPWuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > > > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > William A. T. Clark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? > > > > > > > > > > What is the purpose of campus, college and university, speech codes? > > > > > > > > To prevent hate speech - something some of you on this ng seem to revel > > > > in. Otherwise, to tolerate all opinions, races, and lifestyles. Most of > > > > which you would clearly send to Antarctica. > > > > > > > > > > IMHO, seriously, the comments you make about the current US government > > > represent hate speech. Lucky for you I am not on the Ohio Board of > > > regents! > > > > There you go again - completely ridiculous and contradictory assertions. > > The Ohio Board of Regents PROTECT free speech, so good luck with them. > > By the way, the most famous recent member of that Board was Tom Noe, the > > convicted GoP coin dealer of OBWC fame, so there's a calibration for you. > > > > What's some coin dealer got to do with who determines what constitutes > "hate speech"? The comments you make about the US government come > across to me as hate speech. It's one thing to disagree with a major > political leader like George Bush, it's another to spread hateful > comments. So you want "free speech" "protected" but a code to prevent > "hate speech" So again, what is hate speech then, and again, IMHO, what > you have said about the president of the United States is hate speech > to my eyes...so who it is up to? Whatever, it is clear you need to get a sense of humor. Isn't there an irony in someone sitting and pontificating over higher education, and telling all and sundry what is good for them, and at the same time fleecing the very state he claims to protect? Oh, sorry, I forgot, Noe is a Republican, so that is not the least bit funny, is it? Your stupid notion of hate speech is as ridiculous as this guy telling universities how to do business. I suggest you try to get any comment of mine legally classified as hate speech - you'll be laughed out of every court and law office in the land. William Clark       Date: 05 Nov 2006 12:47:35 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Bert Robbins wrote: > John B. wrote: > > Bert Robbins wrote: > >> John B. wrote: > >>> Bert Robbins wrote: > >>>> John B. wrote: > >>>>> The_Professor wrote: > >>>>>> John B. wrote: > >>>>>>> The_Professor wrote: > >>>>>>>> John B. wrote: > >>>>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>> news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > >>>>>>>>>>>> for a > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > >>>>>>>>>>>> little > >>>>>>>>>>>> like the pot calling the kettle black. > >>>>>>>>>>> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > >>>>>>>>>>> don't like? > >>>>>>>>>>> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > >>>>>>>>>>> deserves it. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > >>>>>>>>>>>> public. > >>>>>>>>>>> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > >>>>>>>>>>>> speaking > >>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. > >>>>>>>>>>> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >>>>>>>>>>>> A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > >>>>>>>>>>>> text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > >>>>>>>>>>>> don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > >>>>>>>>>>>> up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > >>>>>>>>>>> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > >>>>>>>>>>> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > >>>>>>>>>>> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > >>>>>>>>>>> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > >>>>>>>>>>> prepared text. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> You pick. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Tex > >>>>>>>>>> You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > >>>>>>>>>> blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > >>>>>>>>>> speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > >>>>>>>>>> of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > >>>>>>>>>> door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > >>>>>>>>>> cannot possibly be misunderstood. > >>>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > >>>>>>>>> lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > >>>>>>>>> enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > >>>>>>>>> Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > >>>>>>>> Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > >>>>>>>> apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > >>>>>>>> issue, or is she consistent? > >>>>>>> She's consistently despicable. > >>>>>> I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > >>>>>> whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > >>>>>> can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > >>>>>> fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > >>>>>> deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > >>>>>> which is at least somewhat despicable. > >>>>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > >>>>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > >>>>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > >>>>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > >>>>> public life. > >>>>> > >>>> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the > >>>> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent > >>>> your anger at those obvious bigots too? > >>> > >>> Yes. > >>> > >> Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, > >> WP and some other left leaning rags. > > > > I read the Wash. Post and the NYT this morning. I didn't find anything > > in either paper that could be compared to Ann Coulter's style of > > vicious slander. Nothing, for example, that said or even remotely > > implied, that all conservatives are cowards, morally bankrupt, > > dishonest, etc. But I'll keep reading and let you know if I come across > > anything that supports your premise. > > > > You are looking for extremes when you should be looking for subtle > differences. No, I was looking for this: "Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent your anger at those obvious bigots too?" Sorry, but I didn't find it.         Date: 05 Nov 2006 20:23:30 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > Bert Robbins wrote: >> John B. wrote: >>> Bert Robbins wrote: >>>> John B. wrote: >>>>> Bert Robbins wrote: >>>>>> John B. wrote: >>>>>>> The_Professor wrote: >>>>>>>> John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>> The_Professor wrote: >>>>>>>>>> John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the pot calling the kettle black. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't like? >>>>>>>>>>>>> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >>>>>>>>>>>>> deserves it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public. >>>>>>>>>>>>> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." >>>>>>>>>>>>> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell >>>>>>>>>>>>> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared text. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You pick. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tex >>>>>>>>>>>> You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry >>>>>>>>>>>> blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling >>>>>>>>>>>> speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest >>>>>>>>>>>> of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the >>>>>>>>>>>> door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they >>>>>>>>>>>> cannot possibly be misunderstood. >>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The >>>>>>>>>>> lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, >>>>>>>>>>> enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. >>>>>>>>>>> Some will have to die in the support of our cause." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 >>>>>>>>>> Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry >>>>>>>>>> apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this >>>>>>>>>> issue, or is she consistent? >>>>>>>>> She's consistently despicable. >>>>>>>> I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator >>>>>>>> whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we >>>>>>>> can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, >>>>>>>> fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses >>>>>>>> deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, >>>>>>>> which is at least somewhat despicable. >>>>>>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL >>>>>>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one >>>>>>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her >>>>>>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from >>>>>>> public life. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the >>>>>> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent >>>>>> your anger at those obvious bigots too? >>>>> Yes. >>>>> >>>> Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, >>>> WP and some other left leaning rags. >>> I read the Wash. Post and the NYT this morning. I didn't find anything >>> in either paper that could be compared to Ann Coulter's style of >>> vicious slander. Nothing, for example, that said or even remotely >>> implied, that all conservatives are cowards, morally bankrupt, >>> dishonest, etc. But I'll keep reading and let you know if I come across >>> anything that supports your premise. >>> >> You are looking for extremes when you should be looking for subtle >> differences. > > > No, I was looking for this: > > "Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the > neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent > your anger at those obvious bigots too?" > > Sorry, but I didn't find it. > Your criteria canceled out all but the extremes.   Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:44:42 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > students that those unable to navigate the country's education > system"get stuck in Iraq." > > "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but > also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White > House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." > > Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran and Bush's rival in 2004, fired > back, saying the president and his administration are the ones who owe > U.S. troops an apology because they"misled America into war and have > given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed > and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of > defeating it." > > "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded > statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks > that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in > war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by > a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium." > > Snow was asked about the comment which Kerry made during a campaign > rally Monday for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil > Angelides. The White House spokesman was clearly ready, consulting his > notes to read a fuller account of Kerry's statement and unleashing a > sharp attack. > > The Massachusetts senator, who is considering another presidential run > in 2008, had opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several > one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but > now"lives in a state of denial." > > Then he said:"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you > study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, > you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > Snow said the quote"fits a pattern"of negative remarks from Kerry > about U.S. soldiers and suggested that whether Democratic candidates _ > particularly those running on their military service backgrounds _ > agree with their 2004 standard-bearer should be a campaign litmus > test. > > Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a > group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the > 2004 Kerry-Bush race. Even Kerry has blamed his slow and uncertain > response to the group's claims for helping doom his White House > chances. > > Snow said a lot of Americans have joined the military since the Sept. > 11 terrorist attacks. > > "As for the notion that you can say this sort of thing about the > troops and say you support them, it's interesting,"the press secretary > said. > > A potential rival to Kerry in 2008 _ Republican Sen. John McCain _ > said in a statement that Kerry"owes an apology to the many thousands > of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call > because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their > education." > > Like Kerry, McCain is a decorated Vietnam veteran. > > House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, also called on Kerry to > apologize, labeling his comments"disrespectful and insulting to the > men and women serving in our military." Unfortunately, the facts support Kerry's thesis.     Date: 31 Oct 2006 19:52:49 From: Otto Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Exactly. Any president as dumb as Bush would be stuck in Iraq. I believe that was his point. Unless of course all you want to do is spin. Otto "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162320282.364329.239840@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Unfortunately, the facts support Kerry's thesis. >       Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:15:30 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Tue, 31 2006 19:52:49 -0500, "Otto" <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net > wrote: >Exactly. > >Any president as dumb as Bush would be stuck in Iraq. > >I believe that was his point. > >Unless of course all you want to do is spin. > >Otto But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were apparently unable to hack master level college work. And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. Larry         Date: 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 From: Rob Davis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an > undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's > degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were > apparently unable to hack master level college work. > > And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is > not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost > the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. > > Larry The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially higher than Bush. Rob           Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:13:42 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net > wrote: >larry wrote: >> But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an >> undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's >> degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were >> apparently unable to hack master level college work. >> >> And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is >> not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost >> the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. >> >> Larry > >The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? >C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? > >I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But >Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially >higher than Bush. > >Rob These numbers are everywhere out there, you can find them. Bush's IQ and military GCT scores are high medium. And also higher than Gore's and Kerry's- You are likely unaware that Gore left Harvard with a transcript so bad that the Army would not recognize him as a college graduate-- he had to enter the Army as an Enlisted Man. His father got him out of Vietnam after only a few months. Then he flunked out of Vanderbilt University Law school and then flunked out of Vanderbilt Divinity school-- almost impossible unless you are blowing pot all day and all night. Larry             Date: 01 Nov 2006 20:24:33 From: Rob Davis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> > wrote: > > >>larry wrote: >> >>>But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an >>>undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's >>>degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were >>>apparently unable to hack master level college work. >>> >>>And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is >>>not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost >>>the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. >>> >>>Larry >> >>The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? >>C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? >> >>I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But >>Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially >>higher than Bush. >> >>Rob > > > These numbers are everywhere out there, you can find them. Bush's IQ > and military GCT scores are high medium. And also higher than Gore's > and Kerry's- > > Larry > Nice attempt at a sidestep. Since Bush's IQ is "everywhere", then you won't mind posting an actual link? There's lots of estimates based on SAT scores, which are lower than Gore's. Not that a very high IQ is that important as a qualification ... but just a nice example of your posting bogus "facts". C'mon, admit it ... you made that up. Rob               Date: 01 Nov 2006 15:13:11 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:24:33 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net > wrote: >larry wrote: >> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>>larry wrote: >>> >>>>But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an >>>>undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's >>>>degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were >>>>apparently unable to hack master level college work. >>>> >>>>And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is >>>>not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost >>>>the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. >>>> >>>>Larry >>> >>>The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? >>>C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? >>> >>>I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But >>>Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially >>>higher than Bush. >>> >>>Rob >> >> >> These numbers are everywhere out there, you can find them. Bush's IQ >> and military GCT scores are high medium. And also higher than Gore's >> and Kerry's- >> >> Larry >> > >Nice attempt at a sidestep. Since Bush's IQ is "everywhere", then you >won't mind posting an actual link? > >There's lots of estimates based on SAT scores, which are lower than >Gore's. Not that a very high IQ is that important as a qualification ... >but just a nice example of your posting bogus "facts". C'mon, admit it >... you made that up. > >Rob http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm I know from my own military experience that the military ensures sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. Larry                 Date: 01 Nov 2006 22:45:58 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <u5aik2d8q3fnikfnio9li9919cmu9h0ic5@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:24:33 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> > wrote: > > >larry wrote: > >> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>larry wrote: > >>> > >>>>But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an > >>>>undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's > >>>>degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were > >>>>apparently unable to hack master level college work. > >>>> > >>>>And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is > >>>>not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost > >>>>the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. > >>>> > >>>>Larry > >>> > >>>The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? > >>>C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? > >>> > >>>I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But > >>>Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially > >>>higher than Bush. > >>> > >>>Rob > >> > >> > >> These numbers are everywhere out there, you can find them. Bush's IQ > >> and military GCT scores are high medium. And also higher than Gore's > >> and Kerry's- > >> > >> Larry > >> > > > >Nice attempt at a sidestep. Since Bush's IQ is "everywhere", then you > >won't mind posting an actual link? > > > >There's lots of estimates based on SAT scores, which are lower than > >Gore's. Not that a very high IQ is that important as a qualification ... > >but just a nice example of your posting bogus "facts". C'mon, admit it > >... you made that up. > > > >Rob > > http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm > > I know from my own military experience that the military ensures > sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake > difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew > Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous > training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and > flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, > reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush > is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. > > Larry Larry, you are proof positive of precisely the reverse. William Clark                 Date: 02 Nov 2006 00:34:57 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "larry" wrote: > http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm > > I know from my own military experience that the military ensures > sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake > difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew > Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous > training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and > flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, > reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush > is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. In your dreams. You are proof that the military can misjudge the intelligence of any one individual.                   Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:17:16 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:34:57 GMT, "JJK" <surpher@verizon.net > wrote: >"larry" wrote: >> http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm >> >> I know from my own military experience that the military ensures >> sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake >> difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew >> Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous >> training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and >> flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, >> reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush >> is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. > > >In your dreams. > >You are proof that the military can misjudge the intelligence of any one >individual. I post easily verifiable facts, concepts, and ideas, you make personal attacks. Lame. Larry                     Date: 02 Nov 2006 03:18:15 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "larry" wrote: > >> http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm > >> > >> I know from my own military experience that the military ensures > >> sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake > >> difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew > >> Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous > >> training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and > >> flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, > >> reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush > >> is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. > > JJK wrote: > >In your dreams. > > > >You are proof that the military can misjudge the intelligence of any one > >individual. Larry wrote: > I post easily verifiable facts, concepts, and ideas, you make personal > attacks. Lame. Correction: you post mostly nonsense. I made no such personal attack. I merely stated fact. In this newsgroup, you've plagiarized, posted golf scores w/o playing by the ROG, continue to post BS even when it's been shown you're wrong, etc. That's hardly the stuff of a great intellectual. There is absolutely no evidence here that you are an idea person. That's consistent with the fact that: you cannot accept anyone else's viewpoints; you do not present logical arguments, your narrow world view appears to be shaped by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, you attack academic professionals apparently because they hold different political views than you do, your "facts" are almost always incorrect, etc. Moreover, you appear to have no honor. If that is the case, I honestly cannot understand how you sleep every night. Please stop the shameless political ranting. We already know that you hold extreme right-wing views and that you will regurgitate someone else's invective words against any Democratic politician.                 Date: 02 Nov 2006 00:22:38 From: Rob Davis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:24:33 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> > wrote: > > >>larry wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>larry wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an >>>>>undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's >>>>>degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were >>>>>apparently unable to hack master level college work. >>>>> >>>>>And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is >>>>>not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost >>>>>the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. >>>>> >>>>>Larry >>>> >>>>The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? >>>>C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? >>>> >>>>I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But >>>>Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially >>>>higher than Bush. >>>> >>>>Rob >>> >>> >>>These numbers are everywhere out there, you can find them. Bush's IQ >>>and military GCT scores are high medium. And also higher than Gore's >>>and Kerry's- >>> >>>Larry >>> >> >>Nice attempt at a sidestep. Since Bush's IQ is "everywhere", then you >>won't mind posting an actual link? >> >>There's lots of estimates based on SAT scores, which are lower than >>Gore's. Not that a very high IQ is that important as a qualification ... >>but just a nice example of your posting bogus "facts". C'mon, admit it >>... you made that up. >> >>Rob > > > http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm > > I know from my own military experience that the military ensures > sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake > difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew > Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous > training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and > flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, > reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush > is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. > > Larry Thanks for proving my point. To quote the article you linked ... "no IQ data are available for George W. Bush". So the part you wrote about "Bush has a higher IQ [than] either Kerry or Gore" was just made up, right? In fact, that article goes on to say that Gore probably has the higer IQ. Rob                   Date: 05 Nov 2006 15:34:32 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:22:38 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net > wrote: >larry wrote: >> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:24:33 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>>larry wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>larry wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an >>>>>>undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's >>>>>>degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were >>>>>>apparently unable to hack master level college work. >>>>>> >>>>>>And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is >>>>>>not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost >>>>>>the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. >>>>>> >>>>>>Larry >>>>> >>>>>The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? >>>>>C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? >>>>> >>>>>I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But >>>>>Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially >>>>>higher than Bush. >>>>> >>>>>Rob >>>> >>>> >>>>These numbers are everywhere out there, you can find them. Bush's IQ >>>>and military GCT scores are high medium. And also higher than Gore's >>>>and Kerry's- >>>> >>>>Larry >>>> >>> >>>Nice attempt at a sidestep. Since Bush's IQ is "everywhere", then you >>>won't mind posting an actual link? >>> >>>There's lots of estimates based on SAT scores, which are lower than >>>Gore's. Not that a very high IQ is that important as a qualification ... >>>but just a nice example of your posting bogus "facts". C'mon, admit it >>>... you made that up. >>> >>>Rob >> >> >> http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm >> >> I know from my own military experience that the military ensures >> sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake >> difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew >> Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous >> training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and >> flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, >> reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush >> is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. >> >> Larry > >Thanks for proving my point. To quote the article you linked ... "no IQ >data are available for George W. Bush". So the part you wrote about >"Bush has a higher IQ [than] either Kerry or Gore" was just made up, >right? In fact, that article goes on to say that Gore probably has the >higer IQ. That was written in 2000, since then we have learned from their respective behavior that Gore is a total buffoon and there is no need to recount the episodes that expose Kerry's mentality. GW Bush got dealt among the most difficult 8 year periods in US History to be President. He had to start with a debilitated Intelligence community, a dispirited military, and an economy in recession. Then he got hit with the largest attack on the US since Pearl Harbor-- and a continuing siege against the West (primarily the US) by Radical Islam-- in their "1000 year war" on non-believers. He believed he was obliged to bring down Saddam in Iraq in order to stop attacks from there on Israel and soon on the US. Despite all that, he brought the US Economy out of recession and today we have low inflation, high employment, and better growth than anytime in the last 30 years. GW Bush has been a great president in the most difficult possible time. History will remember him as a great in Lincoln's class. (who, BTW, was down to 10% popularity during the Civil War.) Larry                     Date: 06 Nov 2006 23:19:41 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <g4hik2pkeo91qbuhfgpbihtuq2a6fqpjls@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:22:38 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> > wrote: > > >larry wrote: > >> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:24:33 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>larry wrote: > >>> > >>>>On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:40:31 GMT, Rob Davis <davis.rob@verizon.net> > >>>>wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>larry wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>But Bush has both a higher IQ and earned a higher GPA as an > >>>>>>undergraduate than either Kerry or Gore. Bush earned a Master's > >>>>>>degree in among the most rigorous programs. Both Gore and Kerry were > >>>>>>apparently unable to hack master level college work. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>And every day either Gore or Kerry says something that reveals he is > >>>>>>not very bright. The present flap is a good example. Kerry may cost > >>>>>>the Democrats their narrow victory in the 2006 midterm elections. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Larry > >>>>> > >>>>>The IQ part has to be total BS. How about citing a source for that? > >>>>>C'mon ... fess up ... you totally made that up, right? > >>>>> > >>>>>I found several articles that state Bush has "no IQ data available". But > >>>>>Gore's is acknowledged as 133, and his SAT scores are substantially > >>>>>higher than Bush. > >>>>> > >>>>>Rob > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>These numbers are everywhere out there, you can find them. Bush's IQ > >>>>and military GCT scores are high medium. And also higher than Gore's > >>>>and Kerry's- > >>>> > >>>>Larry > >>>> > >>> > >>>Nice attempt at a sidestep. Since Bush's IQ is "everywhere", then you > >>>won't mind posting an actual link? > >>> > >>>There's lots of estimates based on SAT scores, which are lower than > >>>Gore's. Not that a very high IQ is that important as a qualification ... > >>>but just a nice example of your posting bogus "facts". C'mon, admit it > >>>... you made that up. > >>> > >>>Rob > >> > >> > >> http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm > >> > >> I know from my own military experience that the military ensures > >> sufficient IQ with testing before they allow someone to undertake > >> difficult training--such as jet pilot training. Likely the USAF knew > >> Bush could hack it before he was allowed to enter that VERY rigorous > >> training. Over half who try wash out, Bush handled it easily and > >> flew 500+ hours in F102. Before that he had achieved a Harvard MBA, > >> reputedly one of the most rigorous courses in any college. GW Bush > >> is smarter than either Gore or Kerry. > >> > >> Larry > > > >Thanks for proving my point. To quote the article you linked ... "no IQ > >data are available for George W. Bush". So the part you wrote about > >"Bush has a higher IQ [than] either Kerry or Gore" was just made up, > >right? In fact, that article goes on to say that Gore probably has the > >higer IQ. > > That was written in 2000, since then we have learned from their > respective behavior that Gore is a total buffoon and there is no need > to recount the episodes that expose Kerry's mentality. > > GW Bush got dealt among the most difficult 8 year periods in US > History to be President. He had to start with a debilitated > Intelligence community, a dispirited military, and an economy in > recession. Then he got hit with the largest attack on the US since > Pearl Harbor-- and a continuing siege against the West (primarily the > US) by Radical Islam-- in their "1000 year war" on non-believers. He > believed he was obliged to bring down Saddam in Iraq in order to stop > attacks from there on Israel and soon on the US. Yup, you are perfectly right - those trillion dollar budget surpluses are the devil to deal with, but good ol' Dubya found a way to take care of them in short order. Yessireee. > > Despite all that, he brought the US Economy out of recession and today > we have low inflation, high employment, and better growth than anytime > in the last 30 years. GW Bush has been a great president in the most > difficult possible time. History will remember him as a great in > Lincoln's class. (who, BTW, was down to 10% popularity during the > Civil War.) History will consign him to the bin reserved for the most dismal failures. He will disappear without trace to Crawford, Texas, and no one will miss him. William Clark > > Larry                       Date: 07 Nov 2006 20:02:32 From: Jack Hollis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:19:41 -0500, "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote: >History will consign him to the bin reserved for the most dismal >failures. He will disappear without trace to Crawford, Texas, and no one >will miss him. > >William Clark Highly unlikely. GWB is part of the greatest political dynasty in American history. The Bush's have made a mark that will be hard to beat and won't be forgotten.                         Date: 08 Nov 2006 02:45:16 From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Jack Hollis wrote: > On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:19:41 -0500, "William A. T. Clark" > <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote: > > >History will consign him to the bin reserved for the most dismal > >failures. He will disappear without trace to Crawford, Texas, and no one > >will miss him. > > > >William Clark > > Highly unlikely. GWB is part of the greatest political dynasty in > American history. The Bush's have made a mark that will be hard to > beat and won't be forgotten. Clinton and Carter, however, were totally non descript. Carter will be remembered for Iran and Clinton will be remembered for Monica Lewinsky!                         Date: 07 Nov 2006 23:09:54 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <mva2l2h0uu8g2r9j4mf08jr5ins9gcj7gc@4ax.com >, Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote: > On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:19:41 -0500, "William A. T. Clark" > <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote: > > >History will consign him to the bin reserved for the most dismal > >failures. He will disappear without trace to Crawford, Texas, and no one > >will miss him. > > > >William Clark > > > Highly unlikely. GWB is part of the greatest political dynasty in > American history. The Bush's have made a mark that will be hard to > beat and won't be forgotten. The Bushes are a genetically deficient version of the Kennedys. They will not be forgotten: How could you forget a father-son duo of inept lying war-mongers? Baby Bush is the worst president in history, but does have an accomplishment to his credit that I had thought impossible: He made Daddy Bush look brilliant by comparison.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 00:47:34 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems > WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > students that those unable to navigate the country's education > system"get stuck in Iraq." Bush's response: "The men and women who serve in our all-volunteer armed forces are plenty smart." Plenty smart? Wow.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 07:05:32 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162370854.064650.45360@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote: > > WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > > troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > > students that those unable to navigate the country's education > > system"get stuck in Iraq." > > Bush's response: "The men and women who serve in our all-volunteer > armed forces are plenty smart." > > Plenty smart? Wow. Indeed - of course the alternative is they are not smart, but have sufficient family pull that they can get out of duty in Iraq, and end up in the ND defending, say, Texas. From there they can question the service of those that did go and come under fire. Wouldn't happen though, would it? William Clark   Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:53:09 From: Tex Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > On 1 Nov 2006 05:34:33 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >"R&B" wrote: > >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message > >> news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... > >> > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >>larry wrote: > >> >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > >> >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > >> >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education > >> >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." > >> >> > >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells > >> >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would > >> >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. > >> > > >> > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who > >> > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This > >> > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn > >> > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and > >> > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is > >> > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. > >> > > >> > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today > >> > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's > >> > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- > >> > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. > >> > > >> > Larry > >> > >> > >> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > > >Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. > > > >*IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get > >us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an > >incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might > >have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by > >accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the > >troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, > >he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology > >would have ended it. > > > >Tex > > This continues to reverberate because everyone knows Kerry is an > insufferable elitist. People know that Kerry actually feels he is > better -- and that he SHOULD lecture everyone else. He feels he is > MUCH better than those in the military and that remark simply verified > what they suspected all along. END OF THREAD: KERRY APOLOGIZED. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061101/ts_nm/usa_elections_kerry_dc Tex     Date: 01 Nov 2006 09:27:20 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1 Nov 2006 08:53:09 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> On 1 Nov 2006 05:34:33 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"R&B" wrote: >> >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message >> >> news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... >> >> > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>larry wrote: >> >> >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >> >> >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >> >> >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >> >> >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." >> >> >> >> >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells >> >> >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would >> >> >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. >> >> > >> >> > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who >> >> > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This >> >> > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn >> >> > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and >> >> > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is >> >> > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. >> >> > >> >> > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today >> >> > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's >> >> > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- >> >> > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. >> >> > >> >> > Larry >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. >> > >> >Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. >> > >> >*IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get >> >us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an >> >incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might >> >have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by >> >accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the >> >troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, >> >he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology >> >would have ended it. >> > >> >Tex >> >> This continues to reverberate because everyone knows Kerry is an >> insufferable elitist. People know that Kerry actually feels he is >> better -- and that he SHOULD lecture everyone else. He feels he is >> MUCH better than those in the military and that remark simply verified >> what they suspected all along. > > >END OF THREAD: KERRY APOLOGIZED. > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061101/ts_nm/usa_elections_kerry_dc > >Tex not really. I am watching a LIVE TV briefing from the White House- wherein Tony Snow is URGING Kerry to apologize. "Just say "I'm sorry."" The room is full of reporters-- so obviously Kerry just can't bring himself to apologize. Obvious reason: He is NOT sorry. Larry     Date: 01 Nov 2006 19:37:47 From: Matt 'Ocho' Aamold Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162399989.719296.52990@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > END OF THREAD: KERRY APOLOGIZED. > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061101/ts_nm/usa_elections_kerry_dc > > Tex > "I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform..." That's not an apology, that is a blue suede shoes salesman's wording to place blame on people who he thinks misiterperated him An apology is the second half, but because of the first half is hollow. "...and I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended,"   Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:29:14 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems > The supposed missing > comment "Just ask President Bush", doesn't change the obvious meaning > of the comment Kerry made. Sure it does. It changes it completely. If you are insulting Bush, then the intelligence of the military personnel is not questioned at all. > It seems to be another lame comment by a > democrat about how stupid Bush is...and the lamest aspect of this is > that Bush graduated higher than Kerry in the same graduating class at > Yale! That's not something to brag about, considering both carried C averages. I'm not a Kerry fan and I'm not sure whether a history or political science degree is more difficult, not that it matters 40 years later.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:06:25 From: Dene Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Tex wrote: > > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. > > *IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get > us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an > incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might > have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by > accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the > troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, > he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology > would have ended it. > > Tex An apology from him would have also indicated good character. Saw a Fox report on the education level of our troops. 99% have graduated from high school in contrast to 88% of the civilian population, ages 18-44. -Greg   Date: 01 Nov 2006 07:48:24 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Larry Bud wrote: > > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > Please Randy, don't insult us. His words were clear: > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > Kerry hates the military. He's proven it with statements throughout > his life. This is no different. And I hardly raised an eyebrow when > I heard it. His comment reflected a standard urban bias about the military; only losers join the military. Get a good education, get a good job and you won't have to resort to things like the military. The supposed missing comment "Just ask President Bush", doesn't change the obvious meaning of the comment Kerry made. It seems to be another lame comment by a democrat about how stupid Bush is...and the lamest aspect of this is that Bush graduated higher than Kerry in the same graduating class at Yale!     Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:53:06 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote in message news:1162396104.062217.99800@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Larry Bud wrote: >> > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. >> >> Please Randy, don't insult us. His words were clear: >> >> "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you >> do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. >> If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." >> >> Kerry hates the military. He's proven it with statements throughout >> his life. This is no different. And I hardly raised an eyebrow when >> I heard it. > > His comment reflected a standard urban bias about the military; only > losers join the military. Get a good education, get a good job and you > won't have to resort to things like the military. The supposed missing > comment "Just ask President Bush", doesn't change the obvious meaning > of the comment Kerry made. It seems to be another lame comment by a > democrat about how stupid Bush is...and the lamest aspect of this is > that Bush graduated higher than Kerry in the same graduating class at > Yale! > Kerry is an elitist pig, just like the people who support him.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:36:55 From: Miss Anne Thrope Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems I'm sure Kerry will apologize, right after Bush apologizes for.............EVERYTHING. Oh, and judging by the three young men from my neighborhood who I've seen being picked up by a recruiter lately.............Kerry was telling the complete truth. I'll feel better knowing they're over there. Not because they'll be "protecting our way of life", but because they won't be anywhere near me.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 19:00:49 From: Sparky Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1-Nov-2006, High_Colonic@webtv.net (Miss Anne Thrope) wrote: > Oh, and judging by the three young men from my neighborhood who I've > seen being picked up by a recruiter lately.............Kerry was telling > the complete truth. Bzzzt! Wrong answer Clown Boy! Read it and weep: http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm me   Date: 01 Nov 2006 05:34:33 From: Tex Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message > news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... > > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >>larry wrote: > >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education > >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." > >> > >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells > >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would > >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. > > > > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who > > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This > > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn > > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and > > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is > > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. > > > > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today > > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's > > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- > > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. > > > > Larry > > > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. *IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology would have ended it. Tex     Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:54:49 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162388073.197251.16610@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > "R&B" wrote: >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message >> news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... >> > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>larry wrote: >> >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >> >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >> >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >> >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." >> >> >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells >> >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would >> >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. >> > >> > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who >> > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This >> > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn >> > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and >> > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is >> > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. >> > >> > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today >> > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's >> > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- >> > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. >> > >> > Larry >> >> >> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. > > *IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get > us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an > incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might > have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by > accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the > troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, > he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology > would have ended it. > > Tex Liberals are far above apologies. Unless they're demanding one from a Repub I guess.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:51:50 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little like the pot calling the kettle black. Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking altogether. But the message Kerry was trying to convey was clear enough for anyone with an active brain stem to understand. That rules out Dubya, his lieutenants, and evidently, you and LLLLLarry. Kerry was saying that if you study, do your homework and actually learn something (which the Bush Administration failed to do in the build-up to Iraq), you'll do alright and not get mired in the muck in Iraq. You can huff and puff all you want. Most Americans "got" what Kerry was trying to say. And the Republican talking points on this matter are pretty far off the mark. Nice try. Randy "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162388073.197251.16610@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > "R&B" wrote: >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message >> news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... >> > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>larry wrote: >> >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >> >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >> >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >> >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." >> >> >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells >> >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would >> >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. >> > >> > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who >> > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This >> > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn >> > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and >> > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is >> > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. >> > >> > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today >> > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's >> > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- >> > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. >> > >> > Larry >> >> >> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. > > *IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get > us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an > incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might > have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by > accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the > troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, > he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology > would have ended it. > > Tex >       Date: 01 Nov 2006 13:14:23 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > like the pot calling the kettle black. Politics is a blood sport always has been and always will be. > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. You should have advised him of that last week but, he would have ignored you advice due to the fact that you are not his "equal". > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking > altogether. But, he is a leader. He beats the Democrats every time. > But the message Kerry was trying to convey was clear enough for anyone with > an active brain stem to understand. That rules out Dubya, his lieutenants, > and evidently, you and LLLLLarry. As I said above politics is a blood sport and Kerry should know by now that any words can be turned against him. > Kerry was saying that if you study, do your homework and actually learn > something (which the Bush Administration failed to do in the build-up to > Iraq), you'll do alright and not get mired in the muck in Iraq. Ok, if that is what you believe. > You can huff and puff all you want. Most Americans "got" what Kerry was > trying to say. And the Republican talking points on this matter are pretty > far off the mark. Most Americans know that Kerry is an elitist and a pompous ass. > Nice try. Kerry sure does have the touch of shit now. No Democrats want his stink near them.         Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:37:45 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Bert Robbins" <screw@you.com > wrote in message news:qPadnbz0PLhiftXYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Kerry sure does have the touch of shit now. No Democrats want his stink > near them. > Let the pile on begin. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/01/D8L4D3380.html         Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:23:35 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <qPadnbz0PLhiftXYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com >, Bert Robbins <screw@you.com > wrote: > "R&B" wrote: > > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for > > a > > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > > like the pot calling the kettle black. > > Politics is a blood sport always has been and always will be. > > > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. > > You should have advised him of that last week but, he would have ignored > you advice due to the fact that you are not his "equal". > > > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking > > altogether. > > But, he is a leader. He beats the Democrats every time. He's not a leader, he's a sad idiot with a bust of a leader in his office.         Date: 02 Nov 2006 18:54:58 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Bert Robbins" <screw@you.com > wrote in message news:qPadnbz0PLhiftXYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > "R&B" wrote: >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, >> for a Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >> little like the pot calling the kettle black. > > Politics is a blood sport always has been and always will be. > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >> public. > > You should have advised him of that last week but, he would have ignored > you advice due to the fact that you are not his "equal". > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >> speaking altogether. > > But, he is a leader. He beats the Democrats every time. > >> But the message Kerry was trying to convey was clear enough for anyone >> with an active brain stem to understand. That rules out Dubya, his >> lieutenants, and evidently, you and LLLLLarry. > > As I said above politics is a blood sport and Kerry should know by now > that any words can be turned against him. > >> Kerry was saying that if you study, do your homework and actually learn >> something (which the Bush Administration failed to do in the build-up to >> Iraq), you'll do alright and not get mired in the muck in Iraq. > > Ok, if that is what you believe. > >> You can huff and puff all you want. Most Americans "got" what Kerry was >> trying to say. And the Republican talking points on this matter are >> pretty far off the mark. > > Most Americans know that Kerry is an elitist and a pompous ass. > >> Nice try. > > Kerry sure does have the touch of shit now. No Democrats want his stink > near them. Sort of like most Republicans don't want Bush to appear with them in public. Randy           Date: 02 Nov 2006 19:52:06 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > "Bert Robbins" <screw@you.com> wrote in message > news:qPadnbz0PLhiftXYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> "R&B" wrote: >>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, >>> for a Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >>> little like the pot calling the kettle black. >> Politics is a blood sport always has been and always will be. >> >>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >>> public. >> You should have advised him of that last week but, he would have ignored >> you advice due to the fact that you are not his "equal". >> >>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >>> speaking altogether. >> But, he is a leader. He beats the Democrats every time. >> >>> But the message Kerry was trying to convey was clear enough for anyone >>> with an active brain stem to understand. That rules out Dubya, his >>> lieutenants, and evidently, you and LLLLLarry. >> As I said above politics is a blood sport and Kerry should know by now >> that any words can be turned against him. >> >>> Kerry was saying that if you study, do your homework and actually learn >>> something (which the Bush Administration failed to do in the build-up to >>> Iraq), you'll do alright and not get mired in the muck in Iraq. >> Ok, if that is what you believe. >> >>> You can huff and puff all you want. Most Americans "got" what Kerry was >>> trying to say. And the Republican talking points on this matter are >>> pretty far off the mark. >> Most Americans know that Kerry is an elitist and a pompous ass. >> >>> Nice try. >> Kerry sure does have the touch of shit now. No Democrats want his stink >> near them. > > > Sort of like most Republicans don't want Bush to appear with them in public. Positioning is everything isn't it.       Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:08:41 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:51:50 -0500, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: >You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a >Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little >like the pot calling the kettle black. > >Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. > >Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking >altogether. > >But the message Kerry was trying to convey was clear enough for anyone with >an active brain stem to understand. That rules out Dubya, his lieutenants, >and evidently, you and LLLLLarry. > >Kerry was saying that if you study, do your homework and actually learn >something (which the Bush Administration failed to do in the build-up to >Iraq), you'll do alright and not get mired in the muck in Iraq. > >You can huff and puff all you want. Most Americans "got" what Kerry was >trying to say. And the Republican talking points on this matter are pretty >far off the mark. > >Nice try. > >Randy Nice try yourself. Wonder why Kerry has been told by virtually every Democrat running for office to STAY AWAY from his campaign? He is being asked to RESIGN as US Senator by many-- including the head of some veteran's organizations. Kerry is toast-- this fries him for any possibility of a 2008 presidential run. Darn, I was eager to contribute to the Swift Boat guys again-- we would REALLY do a job on that scumbag this time. He should just go home to Theresa and ride around on his (her) Gulfstream jet. Oh, wait a minute, has she divorced him yet? What does a gigolo get when his rich widow kicks him out? NOTHING! Larry         Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:30:59 From: Lloyd Parsons Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <icohk29lauvckfgh4uaooe3durdkg4n9au@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:51:50 -0500, "\"R&B\"" > <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote: > > >You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > >Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > >like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > >Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. > > > >Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking > >altogether. > > > >But the message Kerry was trying to convey was clear enough for anyone with > >an active brain stem to understand. That rules out Dubya, his lieutenants, > >and evidently, you and LLLLLarry. > > > >Kerry was saying that if you study, do your homework and actually learn > >something (which the Bush Administration failed to do in the build-up to > >Iraq), you'll do alright and not get mired in the muck in Iraq. > > > >You can huff and puff all you want. Most Americans "got" what Kerry was > >trying to say. And the Republican talking points on this matter are pretty > >far off the mark. > > > >Nice try. > > > >Randy > > Nice try yourself. Wonder why Kerry has been told by virtually every > Democrat running for office to STAY AWAY from his campaign? He is > being asked to RESIGN as US Senator by many-- including the head of > some veteran's organizations. Kerry is toast-- this fries him for > any possibility of a 2008 presidential run. Darn, I was eager to > contribute to the Swift Boat guys again-- we would REALLY do a job on > that scumbag this time. > > He should just go home to Theresa and ride around on his (her) > Gulfstream jet. Oh, wait a minute, has she divorced him yet? What > does a gigolo get when his rich widow kicks him out? NOTHING! > > Larry I'm not fond of Kerry, so him not running would suit me just fine. But in case you haven't noticed, the Dems are not letting the swiftboat types get away with their crap this season, nor are the American public. They and you have had their day in the sun, now its back to the dungeons for all of you swifties. It is where the vile belong.         Date: 02 Nov 2006 00:34:57 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > >You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > >Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > >like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > >Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. > > > >Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking > >altogether. > > > >But the message Kerry was trying to convey was clear enough for anyone with > >an active brain stem to understand. That rules out Dubya, his lieutenants, > >and evidently, you and LLLLLarry. > > > >Kerry was saying that if you study, do your homework and actually learn > >something (which the Bush Administration failed to do in the build-up to > >Iraq), you'll do alright and not get mired in the muck in Iraq. > > > >You can huff and puff all you want. Most Americans "got" what Kerry was > >trying to say. And the Republican talking points on this matter are pretty > >far off the mark. > > > >Nice try. "larry" wrote: > Nice try yourself. Wonder why Kerry has been told by virtually every > Democrat running for office to STAY AWAY from his campaign? He is > being asked to RESIGN as US Senator by many-- including the head of > some veteran's organizations. Kerry is toast-- this fries him for > any possibility of a 2008 presidential run. Darn, I was eager to > contribute to the Swift Boat guys again-- we would REALLY do a job on > that scumbag this time. > > He should just go home to Theresa and ride around on his (her) > Gulfstream jet. Oh, wait a minute, has she divorced him yet? What > does a gigolo get when his rich widow kicks him out? NOTHING! Sounds like you're jealous of Kerry. That explains a lot of your venom.         Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:13:00 From: Howard Brazee Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:08:41 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: >Nice try yourself. Wonder why Kerry has been told by virtually every >Democrat running for office to STAY AWAY from his campaign? Umm, maybe for the same reason that Republicans are asking the President to stay away?       Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:46:32 From: Jack Hollis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:51:50 -0500, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: > Most Americans "got" what Kerry was >trying to say. Is that why lots of Democrats are urging him to apologize and no Democrat running for office wants him around anymore?       Date: 05 Nov 2006 17:22:26 From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Ken Meltzer wrote: > Bert Robbins wrote: > > > Non liberal views are not tolerated in most post secondary classrooms. > > This is bias, this is stifling the free exchange of opinions and ideas. > > What are some examples of those "non liberal views"? > In my expoerience, sociobiology. Liberals don't like sociobiology because it suggests that certain human behaviors are innate, an idea that conflicts with the basic assumptions of the socialist utopia...so they dump water on E.O. Wilson, along with the usual vicious personal attacks. Wilson is one of the most accomplished and respected biologists of this generation, responsible for, among other things, being a prinicpal in the formulation of modenr biogeography theory.. The funny thing is that there are *ZERO* data to support the anti-sociobiology position, and there is no potential for any research program to support it; it's all about what people think, what they want to be true. They wind up simply criticizing the work of sociobiologists with hollow rhetoric...sounding a lot like certain creationists when they attack evolution. The similarites between the way certain creationists attack evolution and the way anti-sociobilogists attack sociobiology is in itself evidence in support of sociobiology...which is at least interesting!       Date: 05 Nov 2006 08:29:29 From: Ken Meltzer Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Bert Robbins wrote: > Non liberal views are not tolerated in most post secondary classrooms. > This is bias, this is stifling the free exchange of opinions and ideas. What are some examples of those "non liberal views"? Best, Ken     Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:04:04 From: Jack Hollis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1 Nov 2006 05:34:33 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote: >*IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get >us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an >incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Kerry made a stupid comment and I don't for a minute think he meant anything other than what he said. I'm sure he sat down with his handlers and tried to limit the damage. Unfortunately, they seem to have made it worse. Now even Democrats are saying that he should apologize and all his campaign appearances to support his fellow Dems have been cancelled. He should have apologized and the issue would have gone away. As it stands now, for the Republicans, Kerry is the gift that keeps on giving.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:40:50 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1 Nov 2006 05:34:33 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote: > >"R&B" wrote: >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message >> news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... >> > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>larry wrote: >> >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of >> >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California >> >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education >> >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." >> >> >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells >> >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would >> >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. >> > >> > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who >> > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This >> > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn >> > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and >> > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is >> > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. >> > >> > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today >> > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's >> > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- >> > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. >> > >> > Larry >> >> >> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > >Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. > >*IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get >us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an >incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might >have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by >accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the >troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, >he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology >would have ended it. > >Tex This continues to reverberate because everyone knows Kerry is an insufferable elitist. People know that Kerry actually feels he is better -- and that he SHOULD lecture everyone else. He feels he is MUCH better than those in the military and that remark simply verified what they suspected all along. Larry       Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:12:41 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <bbjhk25kou5ibjs8cif5uv3oqtg7k93js8@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On 1 Nov 2006 05:34:33 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >"R&B" wrote: > >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message > >> news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... > >> > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >>larry wrote: > >> >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > >> >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > >> >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education > >> >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." > >> >> > >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells > >> >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would > >> >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. > >> > > >> > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who > >> > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This > >> > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn > >> > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and > >> > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is > >> > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. > >> > > >> > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today > >> > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's > >> > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- > >> > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. > >> > > >> > Larry > >> > >> > >> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > > >Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. > > > >*IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get > >us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an > >incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might > >have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by > >accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the > >troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, > >he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology > >would have ended it. > > > >Tex > > This continues to reverberate because everyone knows Kerry is an > insufferable elitist. People know that Kerry actually feels he is > better -- and that he SHOULD lecture everyone else. He feels he is > MUCH better than those in the military and that remark simply verified > what they suspected all along. > > Larry No, it continues to reverberate because it is all the GoP has to desperately try to get some leverage for next week. As a measure of just how totally bankrupt of ideas and values the GoP have become, and on top of the most appalling set of sleazy campaign 'commercials' ever seen, it is simply pathetic. William Clark     Date: 05 Nov 2006 16:27:56 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Head Shot wrote: > Robert Hamilton wrote: > > Actually, we have to develop what we teach ourselves. There is no > > body of knowledge, at least in Biology, that you can teach. You have > > to be selective, and therein lies the potential for bias. I > > deliberately choose sources that are opposite my opinions on > > controversial topics, like Sober or Kitcher on Sociobiology, for > > example, and then give the other side. I also include sources > > favorable to my views, to be sure! But I make sure the other side is > > in there in it's strongest form! > > Any courses I took typically had a syllabus that was driven by the textbook > itself. The school has an obligation to review the contend of the textbook > before building a course around it. > > They are all pretty much the same, subject to subject in Biology. The issues that come up that you have to watch for are evolution, environmentalism, sociobiology, eugenics, abortion, genetic engineering, cloning of human cells, stem cell research...the list goes on. IMHO, you *HAVE* to give people the legitimate scientific view(s) of these things in science class and try to avoid getting political, which can be difficult! Too many people pass on them...leaving people with strong opinions and absolutely no knowledge at all about the actual issues themselves..they are just "for" or "against" something because someone said so!       Date: 05 Nov 2006 20:00:35 From: Head Shot Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The_Professor wrote: > They are all pretty much the same, subject to subject in Biology. The > issues that come up that you have to watch for are evolution, > environmentalism, sociobiology, eugenics, abortion, genetic > engineering, cloning of human cells, stem cell research...the list > goes on. IMHO, you *HAVE* to give people the legitimate scientific > view(s) of these things in science class and try to avoid getting > political, which can be difficult! Too many people pass on > them...leaving people with strong opinions and absolutely no > knowledge at all about the actual issues themselves..they are just > "for" or "against" something because someone said so! I have read more than once that television is designed to reach the largest common denominator. Having seen prime time television, I have come to the conclusion that most Americans are idiots. I think Michio Kaku is right (his book "Visions") that the next technology revolution will leave USA as a 3rd world entity. We are doomed. I need more ammo and more MRE's......... -- ___________________________________________________________ A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas Jefferson   Date: 01 Nov 2006 05:23:38 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. Please Randy, don't insult us. His words were clear: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." Kerry hates the military. He's proven it with statements throughout his life. This is no different. And I hardly raised an eyebrow when I heard it.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:24:26 From: Chris Bellomy Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Larry Bud <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: : : > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. : : Please Randy, don't insult us. His words were clear: : : "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you : do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. : If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." : : Kerry hates the military. Tell me this: are you this stupid, or are you just this dishonest? -- Chris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/     Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:39:20 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162387418.474535.235820@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: > > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > Please Randy, don't insult us. His words were clear: > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > Kerry hates the military. He's proven it with statements throughout > his life. This is no different. And I hardly raised an eyebrow when > I heard it. You know, you and Dubya can huff and puff all you like, but in the wake of Swift Boats this tactic won't fly a second time. As the great man says " . . fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . . er . . . . won't get fooled again". You are going to have to do better. William Clark   Date: 01 Nov 2006 05:21:17 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems zumafan wrote: > aeiouy wrote: > > "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > > You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > > > Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > > > words were: > > > > > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > > > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > > > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > > It was an attempt at a joke. He meant to say "You know, education, if you > > make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an > > effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you *end up getting us* > > stuck in Iraq" > > Which is true > > Thanks for "quoting" what Kerry DIDN'T say. He said what he said. How > do you know what he MEANT to say? Because he said so. Duh.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 08:26:47 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems BigPurdueFan wrote: > zumafan wrote: >> aeiouy wrote: >>> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but >>>> Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact >>>> words were: >>>> >>>> "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you >>>> do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. >>>> If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." >>> It was an attempt at a joke. He meant to say "You know, education, if you >>> make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an >>> effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you *end up getting us* >>> stuck in Iraq" >>> Which is true >> Thanks for "quoting" what Kerry DIDN'T say. He said what he said. How >> do you know what he MEANT to say? > > Because he said so. Duh. > The problem with speaking on the campaign trail is that you don't get the opportunity revise and extend your remarks like you do when speaking on the House or Senate floor. You would think that a man of Kerry's self importance would not keep sticking his feet in his mouth.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 03:30:51 From: zumafan Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems aeiouy wrote: > "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > You're right that most GIs are not on the upper economic scale, but > > Kerry was **absolutely** talking about their intellect. His exact > > words were: > > > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > It was an attempt at a joke. He meant to say "You know, education, if you > make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an > effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you *end up getting us* > stuck in Iraq" > Which is true Thanks for "quoting" what Kerry DIDN'T say. He said what he said. How do you know what he MEANT to say?   Date: 01 Nov 2006 18:01:42 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The World Wide Wade wrote: > In article > <1162424477.725957.292490@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote: > > > > You've never seen the effects of crack and crystal meth on people. > > Beating, rapes...and not everyone who is shot dies. A well know > > statistic is that an African American male child, say 15, has a 50% > > chance of either being dead or incarcerated by age 30.... > > And your source for this "well-known statistic" would be ...? People in the local African American community. The basis for your skepticism is?   Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:40:59 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Larry Bud wrote: > "R&B" wrote: > > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > > like the pot calling the kettle black. > > But it's not the same thing. Bush can't give speeches and botches > written words. Kerry read his speech perfectly. This wasn't a faux > paux, it was premeditated. "faux pas", before I get blasted...     Date: 01 Nov 2006 20:10:36 From: Bobby Knight Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1 Nov 2006 17:40:59 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: > >Larry Bud wrote: >> "R&B" wrote: >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. >> >> But it's not the same thing. Bush can't give speeches and botches >> written words. Kerry read his speech perfectly. This wasn't a faux >> paux, it was premeditated. > >"faux pas", before I get blasted... No problem. It's expected of you.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:40:10 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > like the pot calling the kettle black. But it's not the same thing. Bush can't give speeches and botches written words. Kerry read his speech perfectly. This wasn't a faux paux, it was premeditated.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 18:13:26 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162431610.769933.40690@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote: > "R&B" wrote: > > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > > like the pot calling the kettle black. > > But it's not the same thing. Bush can't give speeches and botches > written words. Kerry read his speech perfectly. This wasn't a faux > paux, it was premeditated. You're a liar.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:36:02 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Chris Bellomy wrote: > Larry Bud <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote: > : > :> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > : > : Please Randy, don't insult us. His words were clear: > : > : "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > : do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > : If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > : > : Kerry hates the military. > > Tell me this: are you this stupid, or are you just this dishonest? Tell me this: Do you fuck male goats, or female goats? Both? Great! Now that we have the insults over, I'm just going by the words Kerry has said all his life. I mean, I didn't say the stuff he's said, and I'm not making it up. Don't you guys at least have the balls to stand by the words you say? In Kerry's non-apology, he said his words were a botched joke. I'm still trying to figure out what the joke was.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:26:31 From: Larry Bud Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems William A. T. Clark wrote: > In article <1162387418.474535.235820@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > > > Please Randy, don't insult us. His words were clear: > > > > "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you > > do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. > > If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > > > Kerry hates the military. He's proven it with statements throughout > > his life. This is no different. And I hardly raised an eyebrow when > > I heard it. > > You know, you and Dubya can huff and puff all you like, but in the wake > of Swift Boats this tactic won't fly a second time. LOL! What tactic? Listening to the words Kerry himself said? You can spin it all you want (I realize you and the dems are trying), but his words are clear.     Date: 02 Nov 2006 03:18:16 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems William T. Clark wrote: > > You know, you and Dubya can huff and puff all you like, but in the wake > > of Swift Boats this tactic won't fly a second time. "Larry Bud" wrote: > LOL! What tactic? Listening to the words Kerry himself said? You can > spin it all you want (I realize you and the dems are trying), but his > words are clear. I will not excuse Kerry for his verbal foible (he must account for himself, which he apparently did today). However, if you want to take anyone to task for being clear or lying to the public, look no further than the man in charge. A single digit is sufficient to account for the number of times he's seemed to make sense while talking in public.       Date: 02 Nov 2006 06:48:03 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems William T. Clark wrote: > > > You know, you and Dubya can huff and puff all you like, but in the wake > > > of Swift Boats this tactic won't fly a second time. > > "Larry Bud" wrote: > > LOL! What tactic? Listening to the words Kerry himself said? You can > > spin it all you want (I realize you and the dems are trying), but his > > words are clear. > "JJK" wrote: > I will not excuse Kerry for his verbal foible (he must account for himself, > which he apparently did today). However, if you want to take anyone to task > for being clear or lying to the public,<snip> ... for NOT being clear. Good grief.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 17:11:55 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems JJK wrote: > Larry wrote: > <snipped BS> > > The Federal deficit is down almost 50%, just as predicted over last > > year. A new direction from there means what? > <snipped HS> > > > You obviously failed accounting 101. Yes, but he did pretty well in propaganda 101. The Bush administration has for six years predicted deficits that were higher than they really believed they would be. Then, when the numbers come in, they say: Look! Our policies are working. The deficit is much lower than we projected. And people likew Larry fall for it every time.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 15:44:52 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The_Professor wrote: > multi wrote: > > On 1 Nov 2006 11:46:30 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >multi wrote: > > >> On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> >Iraq is still > > >> >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. > > >> > > >> I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at > > >> lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional > > >> fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one > > >> in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded > > >> compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored > > >> transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more > > >> dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, > > >> even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are > > >> untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no > > >> protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. > > >> For the whole year. > > >> > > >> To that, add the fact that thanks to our incredibly efficient military > > >> dors, for every soldier killed in Iraq, there are at least ten more > > >> who suffer grievous wounds, but survive, because many of the killings > > >> are by bomb, grenade, or mortar. In Detroit, most of the killings are > > >> by pistol, so if you're not killed, you're probably not wounded, > > >> either. Yup, much safer in Iraq. > > > > > > > > >I have made the same point, but I qualify it with "inner city", you > > >know, those areas that have "benefitted" from 2+ generations of social > > >engineering. Here in the Jackson, MS area, we have a rgion bounded by > > >I-220,I-20 and I-55, which is essebtially inner city Jackson. The > > >"inner city" has migrated out a bit to the SW recently, but that is > > >where the 80-100 murders per year occur in the Jackson area. Anywhere > > >else, murders are very rare. Now there are maybe 180,000 people in all > > >of Jackson, and maybe, at the most, half those live in the "inner > > >city". So if you live in the inner city of Jackson, you have about a > > >1/1000 chance of being murdered. > > > > Per YEAR. The nearly 1/1000 rate in Iraq is per MONTH. > > > > > Consider that most of those murdered > > >are black men between the ages of 18 and 40, and it becomes even more > > >safer to be in Iraq, especially for a black male. > > > > You are ignoring the other point I made. You are apparently defining > > "safe" as "alive," but you are not "safe" if your leg is blown off, or > > if your brains are scrambled by the concussion effect of a nearby > > blast that doesn't physically touch you. That hardly ever happens in > > any part of Jackson. It happens to several Americans in Iraq for > > every one that is killed. > > You've never seen the effects of crack and crystal meth on people. > Beating, rapes...and not everyone who is shot dies. A well know > statistic is that an African American male child, say 15, ...clarification...inner city child....   Date: 01 Nov 2006 15:41:17 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems multi wrote: > On 1 Nov 2006 11:46:30 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote: > > > > >multi wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> > >> wrote: > >> >Iraq is still > >> >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. > >> > >> I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at > >> lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional > >> fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one > >> in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded > >> compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored > >> transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more > >> dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, > >> even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are > >> untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no > >> protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. > >> For the whole year. > >> > >> To that, add the fact that thanks to our incredibly efficient military > >> dors, for every soldier killed in Iraq, there are at least ten more > >> who suffer grievous wounds, but survive, because many of the killings > >> are by bomb, grenade, or mortar. In Detroit, most of the killings are > >> by pistol, so if you're not killed, you're probably not wounded, > >> either. Yup, much safer in Iraq. > > > > > >I have made the same point, but I qualify it with "inner city", you > >know, those areas that have "benefitted" from 2+ generations of social > >engineering. Here in the Jackson, MS area, we have a rgion bounded by > >I-220,I-20 and I-55, which is essebtially inner city Jackson. The > >"inner city" has migrated out a bit to the SW recently, but that is > >where the 80-100 murders per year occur in the Jackson area. Anywhere > >else, murders are very rare. Now there are maybe 180,000 people in all > >of Jackson, and maybe, at the most, half those live in the "inner > >city". So if you live in the inner city of Jackson, you have about a > >1/1000 chance of being murdered. > > Per YEAR. The nearly 1/1000 rate in Iraq is per MONTH. > > > Consider that most of those murdered > >are black men between the ages of 18 and 40, and it becomes even more > >safer to be in Iraq, especially for a black male. > > You are ignoring the other point I made. You are apparently defining > "safe" as "alive," but you are not "safe" if your leg is blown off, or > if your brains are scrambled by the concussion effect of a nearby > blast that doesn't physically touch you. That hardly ever happens in > any part of Jackson. It happens to several Americans in Iraq for > every one that is killed. You've never seen the effects of crack and crystal meth on people. Beating, rapes...and not everyone who is shot dies. A well know statistic is that an African American male child, say 15, has a 50% chance of either being dead or incarcerated by age 30....but the big story is the "War in Iraq". You've even got a 10,000 strong gang in southern California that could probably blow El Sadr's "army" off the map in a week, but the story is 'The War in Iraq"...... The real story is the growing chaos in the US (and France...and England....).     Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:07:31 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162424477.725957.292490@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote: > multi wrote: > > On 1 Nov 2006 11:46:30 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >multi wrote: > > >> On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> >Iraq is still > > >> >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. > > >> > > >> I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at > > >> lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional > > >> fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one > > >> in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded > > >> compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored > > >> transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more > > >> dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, > > >> even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are > > >> untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no > > >> protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. > > >> For the whole year. > > >> > > >> To that, add the fact that thanks to our incredibly efficient military > > >> dors, for every soldier killed in Iraq, there are at least ten more > > >> who suffer grievous wounds, but survive, because many of the killings > > >> are by bomb, grenade, or mortar. In Detroit, most of the killings are > > >> by pistol, so if you're not killed, you're probably not wounded, > > >> either. Yup, much safer in Iraq. > > > > > > > > >I have made the same point, but I qualify it with "inner city", you > > >know, those areas that have "benefitted" from 2+ generations of social > > >engineering. Here in the Jackson, MS area, we have a rgion bounded by > > >I-220,I-20 and I-55, which is essebtially inner city Jackson. The > > >"inner city" has migrated out a bit to the SW recently, but that is > > >where the 80-100 murders per year occur in the Jackson area. Anywhere > > >else, murders are very rare. Now there are maybe 180,000 people in all > > >of Jackson, and maybe, at the most, half those live in the "inner > > >city". So if you live in the inner city of Jackson, you have about a > > >1/1000 chance of being murdered. > > > > Per YEAR. The nearly 1/1000 rate in Iraq is per MONTH. > > > > > Consider that most of those murdered > > >are black men between the ages of 18 and 40, and it becomes even more > > >safer to be in Iraq, especially for a black male. > > > > You are ignoring the other point I made. You are apparently defining > > "safe" as "alive," but you are not "safe" if your leg is blown off, or > > if your brains are scrambled by the concussion effect of a nearby > > blast that doesn't physically touch you. That hardly ever happens in > > any part of Jackson. It happens to several Americans in Iraq for > > every one that is killed. > > You've never seen the effects of crack and crystal meth on people. > Beating, rapes...and not everyone who is shot dies. A well know > statistic is that an African American male child, say 15, has a 50% > chance of either being dead or incarcerated by age 30.... And your source for this "well-known statistic" would be ...?   Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:52:08 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems MnMikew wrote: > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162418430.512458.242270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > Tex wrote: > >> "R&B" wrote: > >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > >> > for a > >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > >> > little > >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. > >> > >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > >> don't like? > >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > >> deserves it. > >> > >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > >> > public. > >> > >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > >> > >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > >> > speaking > >> > altogether. > >> > >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's > >> >prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up > >> >if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? > >> >You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > >> > >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > >> prepared text. > >> > >> You pick. > >> > >> Tex > > > > > > What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. They > > have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should > > keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of governing > > that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: you > > think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they > > don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to kick > > around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for > > giving you this diversion from the real issues. > > > The real issues like Foley right? Uh, no, I was thinking more in terms of Iraq, Afghanistan, corruption (Abramoff, DeLay, Safavian, Cunningham, etc.), record deficits, runaway spending, that kind of stuff. But, hey, you all had Michael J. Fox last week and now you've got Kerry this week. If somebody else puts his foot in his mouth in the next day or two, that'll keep you going right up to Election Day.     Date: 02 Nov 2006 10:16:21 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162421528.496055.186580@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > MnMikew wrote: >> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1162418430.512458.242270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Tex wrote: >> >> "R&B" wrote: >> >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in >> >> > sentences, >> >> > for a >> >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >> >> > little >> >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. >> >> >> >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you >> >> don't like? >> >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >> >> deserves it. >> >> >> >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >> >> > public. >> >> >> >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) >> >> >> >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >> >> > speaking >> >> > altogether. >> >> >> >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >> >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's >> >> >prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end >> >> >up >> >> >if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually >> >> >lazy? >> >> >You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President >> >> >Bush." >> >> >> >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell >> >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) >> >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling >> >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >> >> prepared text. >> >> >> >> You pick. >> >> >> >> Tex >> > >> > >> > What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. They >> > have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should >> > keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of governing >> > that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: you >> > think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they >> > don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to kick >> > around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for >> > giving you this diversion from the real issues. >> > >> The real issues like Foley right? > > Uh, no, I was thinking more in terms of Iraq, Afghanistan, corruption > (Abramoff, DeLay, Safavian, Cunningham, etc.), record deficits, runaway > spending, that kind of stuff. But, hey, you all had Michael J. Fox last > week and now you've got Kerry this week. If somebody else puts his > foot in his mouth in the next day or two, that'll keep you going right > up to Election Day. > It's only a matter of time. I'm guessing it will be Kerry with the hoof in mouth disease again, it's a gift.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:00:30 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Tex wrote: > "R&B" wrote: > > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > > like the pot calling the kettle black. > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > don't like? > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > deserves it. > > > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking > > altogether. > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > prepared text. > > You pick. > > Tex What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. They have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of governing that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: you think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to kick around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for giving you this diversion from the real issues.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 15:22:10 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1 Nov 2006 14:00:30 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote: > >Tex wrote: >> "R&B" wrote: >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. >> >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you >> don't like? >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >> deserves it. >> >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. >> >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) >> >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking >> > altogether. >> >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." >> >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >> prepared text. >> >> You pick. >> >> Tex > > >What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. They >have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should >keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of governing >that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: you >think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they >don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to kick >around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for >giving you this diversion from the real issues. The Democrats are asking for votes for a "New Direction?" What does that mean?? The stock market is at a new all-time high and America's 401K's are back. A new direction from there means what? Unemployment is at 25 year lows. A new direction from there means what? Oil prices are plummeting. A new direction from there means what? Taxes are at 20 year lows. A new direction from there means what? Federal tax revenues are at all-time highs. A new direction from there means what? The Federal deficit is down almost 50%, just as predicted over last year. A new direction from there means what? Home valuations are up 200% over the past 3.5 years. A new direction from there means what? Inflation is in check, hovering at 20 year lows. A new direction from there means what? Not a single terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11/01. A new direction from there means what? Osama bin Laden is living under a rock in a dark cave, having not surfaced in years, if he's alive at all, while 95% of Al Qaeda’s top dogs are either dead or in custody, cooperating with US Intel. A new direction from there means what? Several major terrorist attacks already thwarted by US and British Intel, including the recent planned attack involving 10 Jumbo Jets being exploded in mid-air over major US cities in order to celebrate the anniversary of the 9/11/01 attacks A new direction from there means what? Just as Bush had planned and foretold us of on a number of occasions, Iraq was to be made "ground zero" for the war on terrorism -- and just as Bush said they would, terrorist cells from all over the region are alighting the shadows of their hiding places and flooding into Iraq in order to get their faces blown off by US Marines rather than boarding planes and heading to the United States to wage war on us here. A new direction from there means what? Moreover, bear in mind that all of the above occurred in the face of the 1999 tech crash, the epidemic of corporate scandals throughout the 90's, and the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks on NYC years in the planning which collectively sucked 24 trillions dollars and 7.8 million jobs out of the US economy even before G. W. Bush had time to unpack his suitcases in the White House. Larry       Date: 02 Nov 2006 00:34:57 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Larry wrote: <snipped BS > > The Federal deficit is down almost 50%, just as predicted over last > year. A new direction from there means what? <snipped HS > You obviously failed accounting 101.     Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:10:08 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162418430.512458.242270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Tex wrote: >> "R&B" wrote: >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, >> > for a >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >> > little >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. >> >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you >> don't like? >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >> deserves it. >> >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >> > public. >> >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) >> >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >> > speaking >> > altogether. >> >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's >> >prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up >> >if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? >> >You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." >> >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >> prepared text. >> >> You pick. >> >> Tex > > > What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. They > have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should > keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of governing > that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: you > think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they > don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to kick > around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for > giving you this diversion from the real issues. > The real issues like Foley right?   Date: 01 Nov 2006 13:41:15 From: Tex Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, for a > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a little > like the pot calling the kettle black. Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you don't like? The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he deserves it. > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in public. True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public speaking > altogether. Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a prepared text. You pick. Tex     Date: 02 Nov 2006 18:58:35 From: \R&B\ Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > "R&B" wrote: >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, >> for a >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >> little >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > don't like? > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > deserves it. > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >> public. > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >> speaking >> altogether. > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > prepared text. > > You pick. > > Tex You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they cannot possibly be misunderstood. Kerry failed to meet that litmus test. But it doesn't change the fact that his intent was to insult the president, not the troops. And anyone who asserts that his intention was to insult the troops is a damn fool. Of course that wasn't his intent. Why would he insult the troops? Why would anyone? Randy       Date: 03 Nov 2006 09:51:20 From: Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <oN2dnUn5ee-5G9fYnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@giganews.com >, "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote: > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > "R&B" wrote: > >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > >> for a > >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > >> little > >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > don't like? > > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > deserves it. > > > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > >> public. > > > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > >> speaking > >> altogether. > > > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > prepared text. > > > > You pick. > > > > Tex > > > You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > > I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > cannot possibly be misunderstood. Kerry failed to meet that litmus test. > But it doesn't change the fact that his intent was to insult the president, > not the troops. And anyone who asserts that his intention was to insult the > troops is a damn fool. Of course that wasn't his intent. Why would he > insult the troops? Why would anyone? Except that Kerry has insulted troops before. His testimony before Congress during Vietnam was insulting; his response to the swift boat nonsense included comments that were insulting to veterans; and his comment of Nov 2005 (I believe) were insulting to troops. He does not get the benefit of doubt regarding his intentions because of his past comments. B. Martin       Date: 05 Nov 2006 16:30:13 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Head Shot wrote: > William A. T. Clark wrote: > > It has zero scientific > > basis, and so absolutely cannot be set into science curricula as an > > 'alternative' to evolution. > > Again - you cannot use the scientific method to study something that is > supernatural. I just do not necessarily agree that supernatural cannot be > mentioned in the same course with natural. Nothing wrong with Intelligent Design. It is philosophicall valid outside science, but it is not science, and should not be taught in science classes. It has zero explanatory power.         Date: 05 Nov 2006 20:01:30 From: Head Shot Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The_Professor wrote: > Nothing wrong with Intelligent Design. It is philosophicall valid > outside science, but it is not science, and should not be taught in > science classes. It has zero explanatory power. Hoyle's statistics on fine tuning can be discussed. Can you believe the Falcons lost to Detroit. Well, football season is over..... -- ___________________________________________________________ A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas Jefferson           Date: 06 Nov 2006 02:58:25 From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Head Shot wrote: > The_Professor wrote: > > Nothing wrong with Intelligent Design. It is philosophicall valid > > outside science, but it is not science, and should not be taught in > > science classes. It has zero explanatory power. > > Hoyle's statistics on fine tuning can be discussed. Then you can use it as an example in stats class if you want...but that doesn't make it science! > > Can you believe the Falcons lost to Detroit. Well, football season is > over..... As a Saints fan...WooHoo! Geaux Tigers...er Go Lions!       Date: 08 Nov 2006 07:00:07 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems William A. T. Clark wrote: > In article <45514217.E5E7E55A@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > wrote: > > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > > > > > In article <KYydnWMqgZm6583YnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > William A. T. Clark wrote: > > > > > In article <4r9ea9Fqb6vgU1@mid.individual.net>, > > > > > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message > > > > >> news:clark.31-4BD3EC.22481504112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > >>> In article <lJudnVD73rPWuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > > > >>> Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> William A. T. Clark wrote: > > > > >>>>> Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? > > > > >>>> What is the purpose of campus, college and university, speech codes? > > > > >>> To prevent hate speech - something some of you on this ng seem to > > > > >>> revel > > > > >>> in. Otherwise, to tolerate all opinions, races, and lifestyles. Most > > > > >>> of > > > > >>> which you would clearly send to Antarctica. > > > > >>> > > > > >> Tell that to your local conservative student group. > > > > > > > > > > The College Republicans do just fine on this campus. In spite of the > > > > > fact that they launched a deliberate attempt to shout Clinton down when > > > > > he was here campaigning, breaking down crowd control barriers to do so, > > > > > they are allowed to express their views as openly as any other group. > > > > > > > > Republicans aren't stupid, they are good at taking the Democrats actions > > > > and making them their own. > > > > > > Not the case - Bush and company won't set foot on a campus, all his > > > 'rallies' are invitation only to GoP faithful. Any likely dissenters > > > were either prevented from entering, or removed by security. > > > > > > Another example of democracy at work. > > > > > > > > > > Now that's a hoot. Republicans at OSU are wrong for trying to shout down > > Clinton > > because that inteferes with his freedom of speech *AND* Bush not letting > > people > > into his rallies to shout him down limits Democrat (apparently) free speech! > > I > > agree that people who shout down sleakers at rallies are interfering with > > free > > speech. If you have something you want to say, hold your own rally! And that > > goes > > for all hecklers. > > Yes, I say bring back old fashioned rallies - hecklers and all! If a > politician can't think quickly enough on his feet to deal with them, > then he/she should not be in office. > > Here's to more fun. > > William Clark the problem is that the hecklers shout down the speaker. In any event, hecklers are losers who know thay can't draw an audience on their own, and the only way they can attach any significance to their pettly loser lives is to be "seenn" making some scene at a high profile event. This is true of all hecklers, IMHO. Losers; total, pathetic losers. People go to a Bush rally to see Bush. People go to a Clinton rally to see Clinton. If you don't like 'em; don't go.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:46:30 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems multi wrote: > On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> > wrote: > >Iraq is still > >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. > > I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at > lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional > fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one > in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded > compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored > transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more > dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, > even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are > untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no > protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. > For the whole year. > > To that, add the fact that thanks to our incredibly efficient military > dors, for every soldier killed in Iraq, there are at least ten more > who suffer grievous wounds, but survive, because many of the killings > are by bomb, grenade, or mortar. In Detroit, most of the killings are > by pistol, so if you're not killed, you're probably not wounded, > either. Yup, much safer in Iraq. I have made the same point, but I qualify it with "inner city", you know, those areas that have "benefitted" from 2+ generations of social engineering. Here in the Jackson, MS area, we have a rgion bounded by I-220,I-20 and I-55, which is essebtially inner city Jackson. The "inner city" has migrated out a bit to the SW recently, but that is where the 80-100 murders per year occur in the Jackson area. Anywhere else, murders are very rare. Now there are maybe 180,000 people in all of Jackson, and maybe, at the most, half those live in the "inner city". So if you live in the inner city of Jackson, you have about a 1/1000 chance of being murdered. Consider that most of those murdered are black men between the ages of 18 and 40, and it becomes even more safer to be in Iraq, especially for a black male. So Bush's war in Iraq provides a safer environment for US citizens in Iraq than inner cities in the US do. Just comapring statistics though. Bush is in charge of the war in IIraq, and so he is the political entity responsible for the consequences of that war. Who is in political charge of US inner cities, and thus responsible for what is happening there...and why isn't it in the news as much as the war in Iraq? So what is the population of inner city Detroit? ...or are the 300 or so murders there equally distributed throughout the city, and equally distributed across race and gender.?     Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:40:18 From: multi Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 1 Nov 2006 11:46:30 -0800, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote: > >multi wrote: >> On Tue, 31 2006 16:25:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com> >> wrote: >> >Iraq is still >> >statistically safer than certain parts of Washington DC and Detroit. >> >> I would think that with all the practice you get, you'd be better at >> lying. We lost over 100 well-trained and well-armed professional >> fighters in Iraq last month, out of 140,000 troops. That's almost one >> in a thousand, in one month, of guys who live in a heavily barricaded >> compound, and only venture out in armed groups, in tanks or armored >> transports. Detroit has about a million people, so for it to be more >> dangerous than Iraq, almost a thousand should be murdered in a month, >> even without allowing for the fact that most of the victims are >> untrained and unarmed, and are walking down the street with no >> protection at all. The actual figure for 2005 was a little over 300. >> For the whole year. >> >> To that, add the fact that thanks to our incredibly efficient military >> dors, for every soldier killed in Iraq, there are at least ten more >> who suffer grievous wounds, but survive, because many of the killings >> are by bomb, grenade, or mortar. In Detroit, most of the killings are >> by pistol, so if you're not killed, you're probably not wounded, >> either. Yup, much safer in Iraq. > > >I have made the same point, but I qualify it with "inner city", you >know, those areas that have "benefitted" from 2+ generations of social >engineering. Here in the Jackson, MS area, we have a rgion bounded by >I-220,I-20 and I-55, which is essebtially inner city Jackson. The >"inner city" has migrated out a bit to the SW recently, but that is >where the 80-100 murders per year occur in the Jackson area. Anywhere >else, murders are very rare. Now there are maybe 180,000 people in all >of Jackson, and maybe, at the most, half those live in the "inner >city". So if you live in the inner city of Jackson, you have about a >1/1000 chance of being murdered. Per YEAR. The nearly 1/1000 rate in Iraq is per MONTH. > Consider that most of those murdered >are black men between the ages of 18 and 40, and it becomes even more >safer to be in Iraq, especially for a black male. You are ignoring the other point I made. You are apparently defining "safe" as "alive," but you are not "safe" if your leg is blown off, or if your brains are scrambled by the concussion effect of a nearby blast that doesn't physically touch you. That hardly ever happens in any part of Jackson. It happens to several Americans in Iraq for every one that is killed.   Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:22:51 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > On 1 Nov 2006 05:34:33 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >"R&B" wrote: > >> "larry" <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in message > >> news:jiafk25klmu0ikk793ouvjvvi5c8em5r10@4ax.com... > >> > On 31 2006 11:46:54 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >>larry wrote: > >> >>> WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > >> >>> troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > >> >>> students that those unable to navigate the country's education > >> >>> system"get stuck in Iraq." > >> >> > >> >>I don't know why this is news. Anybody with 2 or more brain cells > >> >>knows Democrats hate the military. I guess the only thing that would > >> >>make this news is that Kerry is actually being honest about it. > >> > > >> > Well, this year as in years past, there are millions of voters who > >> > really don't know the history-- of Kerry, of Vietnam, etc. etc. This > >> > is all news to many young voters. So it is news for them to learn > >> > that democrats really do "loathe" the military to quote Clinton, and > >> > thus millions of voters can begin to realize that that party is > >> > "UNFIT" to be in positions over the military. > >> > > >> > Kerry's moronic statement and his ham-handed desperate attempts today > >> > and tomorrow and next week to cover it up may well be the RNC's > >> > "ober Surprise" that could turn the election by several points-- > >> > more than enough for the Republicans to hold both House and Senate. > >> > > >> > Larry > >> > >> > >> Anyone with half a brain knew he was speaking of Bush, not the troops. > > > >Don't insult your own kind, they'll turn on you. > > > >*IF* Kerry had meant it as a joke...and *IF* he meant to say, "...get > >us stuck..." then why doesn't he publically apologize for making an > >incorrect statement?? Why did he go off the deep end? Jeez, it might > >have been a simple mistake...perhaps his joke writer left it out by > >accident, who knows. But his *actual* words were a slap on the > >troops...and if he didn't mean them, apologize. End of Story. Instead, > >he's allowed it to flame up. Not very smart in politics. An apology > >would have ended it. > > > >Tex > > This continues to reverberate because everyone knows Kerry is an > insufferable elitist. People know that Kerry actually feels he is > better -- and that he SHOULD lecture everyone else. He feels he is > MUCH better than those in the military and that remark simply verified > what they suspected all along. > > Larry This continues to reverberate because the Republicans have absolutely nothing else to talk about. The have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should keep them in power. They have blood on their hands from a long list of scandals and a war that has turned into the worst foreign policy disaster in the history of the United States. Almost 3,000 Americans dead and probably 2,000 more before we finally get out of there. So, sure, go apeshit on John Kerry. Distract the voters from your miserable record of abject failure. It won't work, but what else have you got? Wait, I've got it! You can say: as bad as we've been, the Democrats will be worse. That's the way to make your people proud of you! See you on Nov. 7.   Date: 02 Nov 2006 09:59:43 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems BigPurdueFan wrote: > John B. wrote: > > MnMikew wrote: > > > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1162418430.512458.242270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > Tex wrote: > > > >> "R&B" wrote: > > > >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > > > >> > for a > > > >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > > > >> > little > > > >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > >> > > > >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > > >> don't like? > > > >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > > >> deserves it. > > > >> > > > >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > > > >> > public. > > > >> > > > >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > >> > > > >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > > > >> > speaking > > > >> > altogether. > > > >> > > > >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > > > >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's > > > >> >prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up > > > >> >if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? > > > >> >You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > >> > > > >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > > >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > > >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > > >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > > >> prepared text. > > > >> > > > >> You pick. > > > >> > > > >> Tex > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. They > > > > have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should > > > > keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of governing > > > > that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: you > > > > think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they > > > > don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to kick > > > > around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for > > > > giving you this diversion from the real issues. > > > > > > > The real issues like Foley right? > > > > Uh, no, I was thinking more in terms of Iraq, Afghanistan, corruption > > (Abramoff, DeLay, Safavian, Cunningham, etc.), record deficits, runaway > > spending, that kind of stuff. But, hey, you all had Michael J. Fox last > > week and now you've got Kerry this week. If somebody else puts his > > foot in his mouth in the next day or two, that'll keep you going right > > up to Election Day. > > Michael J Fox put his foot in his mouth? No, he didn't. Poor choice of words on my part.     Date: 02 Nov 2006 14:08:58 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1162490383.455948.147910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > BigPurdueFan wrote: >> John B. wrote: >> > MnMikew wrote: >> > > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1162418430.512458.242270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >> > > > >> > > > Tex wrote: >> > > >> "R&B" wrote: >> > > >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in >> > > >> > sentences, >> > > >> > for a >> > > >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing >> > > >> > is a >> > > >> > little >> > > >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. >> > > >> >> > > >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and >> > > >> you >> > > >> don't like? >> > > >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >> > > >> deserves it. >> > > >> >> > > >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes >> > > >> > in >> > > >> > public. >> > > >> >> > > >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) >> > > >> >> > > >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid >> > > >> > public >> > > >> > speaking >> > > >> > altogether. >> > > >> >> > > >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >> > > >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's >> > > >> >prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you >> > > >> >end up >> > > >> >if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're >> > > >> >intellectually lazy? >> > > >> >You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President >> > > >> >Bush." >> > > >> >> > > >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell >> > > >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, >> > > >> 1) >> > > >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a >> > > >> bumbling >> > > >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >> > > >> prepared text. >> > > >> >> > > >> You pick. >> > > >> >> > > >> Tex >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. >> > > > They >> > > > have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters >> > > > should >> > > > keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of >> > > > governing >> > > > that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: >> > > > you >> > > > think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they >> > > > don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to >> > > > kick >> > > > around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for >> > > > giving you this diversion from the real issues. >> > > > >> > > The real issues like Foley right? >> > >> > Uh, no, I was thinking more in terms of Iraq, Afghanistan, corruption >> > (Abramoff, DeLay, Safavian, Cunningham, etc.), record deficits, runaway >> > spending, that kind of stuff. But, hey, you all had Michael J. Fox last >> > week and now you've got Kerry this week. If somebody else puts his >> > foot in his mouth in the next day or two, that'll keep you going right >> > up to Election Day. >> >> Michael J Fox put his foot in his mouth? > > No, he didn't. Poor choice of words on my part. > And you're both named John. :-)   Date: 02 Nov 2006 09:20:04 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > MnMikew wrote: > > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1162418430.512458.242270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Tex wrote: > > >> "R&B" wrote: > > >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > > >> > for a > > >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > > >> > little > > >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. > > >> > > >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > >> don't like? > > >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > >> deserves it. > > >> > > >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > > >> > public. > > >> > > >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > >> > > >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > > >> > speaking > > >> > altogether. > > >> > > >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > > >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's > > >> >prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up > > >> >if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? > > >> >You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > >> > > >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > >> prepared text. > > >> > > >> You pick. > > >> > > >> Tex > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. They > > > have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters should > > > keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of governing > > > that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: you > > > think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they > > > don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to kick > > > around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for > > > giving you this diversion from the real issues. > > > > > The real issues like Foley right? > > Uh, no, I was thinking more in terms of Iraq, Afghanistan, corruption > (Abramoff, DeLay, Safavian, Cunningham, etc.), record deficits, runaway > spending, that kind of stuff. But, hey, you all had Michael J. Fox last > week and now you've got Kerry this week. If somebody else puts his > foot in his mouth in the next day or two, that'll keep you going right > up to Election Day. Michael J Fox put his foot in his mouth?   Date: 02 Nov 2006 21:47:41 From: pete z Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > WASHINGTON - The White House accused Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday of > troop-bashing, seizing on a comment the Democrat made to California > students that those unable to navigate the country's education > system"get stuck in Iraq." > > "Senator Kerry not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but > also to the families of those who've given their lives in this,"White > House press secretary Tony Snow said."This is an absolute insult." > > Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran and Bush's rival in 2004, fired > back, saying the president and his administration are the ones who owe > U.S. troops an apology because they"misled America into war and have > given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed > and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of > defeating it." > > "This is the classic GOP playbook,"Kerry said in a harshly worded > statement."I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks > that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in > war, but love to attack those who did. I'm not going to be lectured by > a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium." > > Snow was asked about the comment which Kerry made during a campaign > rally Monday for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil > Angelides. The White House spokesman was clearly ready, consulting his > notes to read a fuller account of Kerry's statement and unleashing a > sharp attack. > > The Massachusetts senator, who is considering another presidential run > in 2008, had opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several > one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but > now"lives in a state of denial." > > Then he said:"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you > study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, > you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." > > Snow said the quote"fits a pattern"of negative remarks from Kerry > about U.S. soldiers and suggested that whether Democratic candidates _ > particularly those running on their military service backgrounds _ > agree with their 2004 standard-bearer should be a campaign litmus > test. > > Unsubstantiated allegations about Kerry's Vietnam War heroism from a > group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth figured prominently in the > 2004 Kerry-Bush race. Even Kerry has blamed his slow and uncertain > response to the group's claims for helping doom his White House > chances. > > Snow said a lot of Americans have joined the military since the Sept. > 11 terrorist attacks. > > "As for the notion that you can say this sort of thing about the > troops and say you support them, it's interesting,"the press secretary > said. > > A potential rival to Kerry in 2008 _ Republican Sen. John McCain _ > said in a statement that Kerry"owes an apology to the many thousands > of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call > because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their > education." > > Like Kerry, McCain is a decorated Vietnam veteran. > > House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, also called on Kerry to > apologize, labeling his comments"disrespectful and insulting to the > men and women serving in our military." > > ___ Post his swing with a 1 iron off a tight lie.   Date: 02 Nov 2006 18:14:46 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > > You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > > I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > cannot possibly be misunderstood. Kerry failed to meet that litmus test. > But it doesn't change the fact that his intent was to insult the president, > not the troops. And anyone who asserts that his intention was to insult the > troops is a damn fool. Of course that wasn't his intent. Why would he > insult the troops? Why would anyone? > > Randy I don't think Kerry "meant" to insult anyone. He revealed a very standard bias a lot of urban types, especially those who think they are "sophisticaed" have about the armed forces; if you can't hack college, you join the military..so study hard or you'll wind up stuck in Iraq! IMHO, he clearly meant that. Had he taken the time to think about what he was saying, he wouldn't have said it...but he obviously did not!   Date: 02 Nov 2006 15:04:55 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems MnMikew wrote: > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162490383.455948.147910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > BigPurdueFan wrote: > >> John B. wrote: > >> > MnMikew wrote: > >> > > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> > > news:1162418430.512458.242270@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > >> > > > > >> > > > Tex wrote: > >> > > >> "R&B" wrote: > >> > > >> > You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in > >> > > >> > sentences, > >> > > >> > for a > >> > > >> > Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing > >> > > >> > is a > >> > > >> > little > >> > > >> > like the pot calling the kettle black. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and > >> > > >> you > >> > > >> don't like? > >> > > >> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > >> > > >> deserves it. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes > >> > > >> > in > >> > > >> > public. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid > >> > > >> > public > >> > > >> > speaking > >> > > >> > altogether. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >> > > >> >A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's > >> > > >> >prepared text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you > >> > > >> >end up > >> > > >> >if you don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're > >> > > >> >intellectually lazy? > >> > > >> >You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President > >> > > >> >Bush." > >> > > >> > >> > > >> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > >> > > >> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, > >> > > >> 1) > >> > > >> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a > >> > > >> bumbling > >> > > >> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > >> > > >> prepared text. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> You pick. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Tex > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > What a wonderful gift John Kerry has given the Republican Party. > >> > > > They > >> > > > have zero accomplishments to point to as reasons why the voters > >> > > > should > >> > > > keep them in office. They have done such a horrible job of > >> > > > governing > >> > > > that the only thing they've been able to say in their defense is: > >> > > > you > >> > > > think we're bad? Well, the Democrats would be REALLY bad. Now they > >> > > > don't have to say that anymore, because they've got John Kerry to > >> > > > kick > >> > > > around. While you're pummeling him, don't forget to thank him for > >> > > > giving you this diversion from the real issues. > >> > > > > >> > > The real issues like Foley right? > >> > > >> > Uh, no, I was thinking more in terms of Iraq, Afghanistan, corruption > >> > (Abramoff, DeLay, Safavian, Cunningham, etc.), record deficits, runaway > >> > spending, that kind of stuff. But, hey, you all had Michael J. Fox last > >> > week and now you've got Kerry this week. If somebody else puts his > >> > foot in his mouth in the next day or two, that'll keep you going right > >> > up to Election Day. > >> > >> Michael J Fox put his foot in his mouth? > > > > No, he didn't. Poor choice of words on my part. > > > And you're both named John. :-) That makes three of us.....or were you including me?   Date: 03 Nov 2006 09:30:45 From: Dene Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Bobby Knight wrote: > >"faux pas", before I get blasted... > > No problem. It's expected of you. LB, Feeling some nips on your ankles? -Greg   Date: 03 Nov 2006 09:02:52 From: Doug Reese Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > On 2 Nov 2006 23:53:01 -0800, "Doug Reese" <dreese@erols.com> wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 2006 19:53:17 -0500, "Otto" > >> <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > >> >Tell Murtha that. > >> > >> Do some homework. Murtha was a reserve--NOT an active duty > >> Marine--and was never brave under fire, etc. The real marines I know > >> laugh at him--just as the Navy does at Kerry. > > > >"Do your homework"? > > > >This is pretty funny, coming from you. > > > >"Murtha learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as > >a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to > >join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country > >during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, > >awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks > >to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for > >Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to > >the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, > >Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, > >Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after > >his discharge from ACTIVE DUTY until he VOLUNTEERED for VIETNAM in > >1966-67, where he served as the S-2 intelligence officer for the 1st > >Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division and received the > >Bronze Star with COMBAT "V", two PURPLE HEARTS and the Vietnamese Cross > >of Gallantry." > > > >Unbelieveable, Larry, unbelievable . . . . but let no one say you > >aren't consistent. > > > >Doug Reese > > A reserve intelligence officer who never got close to a rifle or a > bullet-- probably cut himself shaving like Kerry's self-inflicted > Purple Heart wounds. Bullshit, Larry, pure bullshit. He was active duty -- fact. He has a Bronze Star with "V" and two Purple Hearts -- fact. You can't get those without being in combat -- fact. Bullshit, Larry, you've done it again, bullshit -- fact. Doug Reese >I know some senior Marines (Active Duty) who > were there at the same time--and they laugh at Murtha--then and now. > He got rank by ass-kissing. > > Larry   Date: 03 Nov 2006 07:29:38 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > "R&B" wrote: > > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > "R&B" wrote: > > >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > > >> for a > > >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > > >> little > > >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > > > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > > don't like? > > > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > > deserves it. > > > > > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > > >> public. > > > > > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > > > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > > >> speaking > > >> altogether. > > > > > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > > >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > > >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > > >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > > >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > > > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > > prepared text. > > > > > > You pick. > > > > > > Tex > > > > > > You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > > blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > > speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > > of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > > > > I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > > door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this issue, or is she consistent?     Date: 08 Nov 2006 08:24:10 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The_Professor wrote: > William A. T. Clark wrote: > > In article <45514217.E5E7E55A@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > > wrote: > > > > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > > > > > > > In article <KYydnWMqgZm6583YnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > > > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > William A. T. Clark wrote: > > > > > > In article <4r9ea9Fqb6vgU1@mid.individual.net>, > > > > > > "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message > > > > > >> news:clark.31-4BD3EC.22481504112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > >>> In article <lJudnVD73rPWuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > > > > >>> Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> William A. T. Clark wrote: > > > > > >>>>> Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? > > > > > >>>> What is the purpose of campus, college and university, speech codes? > > > > > >>> To prevent hate speech - something some of you on this ng seem to > > > > > >>> revel > > > > > >>> in. Otherwise, to tolerate all opinions, races, and lifestyles. Most > > > > > >>> of > > > > > >>> which you would clearly send to Antarctica. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Tell that to your local conservative student group. > > > > > > > > > > > > The College Republicans do just fine on this campus. In spite of the > > > > > > fact that they launched a deliberate attempt to shout Clinton down when > > > > > > he was here campaigning, breaking down crowd control barriers to do so, > > > > > > they are allowed to express their views as openly as any other group. > > > > > > > > > > Republicans aren't stupid, they are good at taking the Democrats actions > > > > > and making them their own. > > > > > > > > Not the case - Bush and company won't set foot on a campus, all his > > > > 'rallies' are invitation only to GoP faithful. Any likely dissenters > > > > were either prevented from entering, or removed by security. > > > > > > > > Another example of democracy at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that's a hoot. Republicans at OSU are wrong for trying to shout down > > > Clinton > > > because that inteferes with his freedom of speech *AND* Bush not letting > > > people > > > into his rallies to shout him down limits Democrat (apparently) free speech! > > > I > > > agree that people who shout down sleakers at rallies are interfering with > > > free > > > speech. If you have something you want to say, hold your own rally! And that > > > goes > > > for all hecklers. > > > > Yes, I say bring back old fashioned rallies - hecklers and all! If a > > politician can't think quickly enough on his feet to deal with them, > > then he/she should not be in office. > > > > Here's to more fun. > > > > William Clark > > the problem is that the hecklers shout down the speaker. In any event, > hecklers are losers who know thay can't draw an audience on their own, > and the only way they can attach any significance to their pettly loser > lives is to be "seenn" making some scene at a high profile event. This > is true of all hecklers, IMHO. Losers; total, pathetic losers. People > go to a Bush rally to see Bush. People go to a Clinton rally to see > Clinton. If you don't like 'em; don't go. A few weeks ago some of the Minutemen from the Southwest spoke at Columbia at the invitation of the College Republicans there. Some left-wing students stormed the stage and prohibited them from talking. I am no fan of the Minutemen, but I was disgusted by this. And the sad fact is that Columbia got blamed for it, even though the university administration was livid about what these students had done.   Date: 03 Nov 2006 06:32:59 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > "R&B" wrote: > >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > >> for a > >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > >> little > >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > don't like? > > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > deserves it. > > > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > >> public. > > > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > >> speaking > >> altogether. > > > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > prepared text. > > > > You pick. > > > > Tex > > > You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > > I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > cannot possibly be misunderstood. I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. Some will have to die in the support of our cause." Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03     Date: 03 Nov 2006 13:32:20 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162564379.943791.4290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote: > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 I did a Google search and found very little - just a few blogs that keep reposting the "Coulter quote", much like you are doing. A statement like that would have caused a sensation and there would be thousands of hits. I just searched at Intervention Magazine and don't get hits on the text you posted. This looks like just another internet hoax - a pretty transparent one at that.   Date: 03 Nov 2006 05:30:25 From: Tex Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "R&B" wrote: > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > "R&B" wrote: > >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > >> for a > >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > >> little > >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > don't like? > > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > deserves it. > > > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > >> public. > > > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > >> speaking > >> altogether. > > > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > prepared text. > > > > You pick. > > > > Tex > > > You're wasting your time with me. Life wasted it's time with you. > But it doesn't change the fact that his intent was to insult the president, > not the troops. Mind reader? His spoken words would not back up your claim. His after the fact backpeddling might. > And anyone who asserts that his intention was to insult the > troops is a damn fool. Of course that wasn't his intent. Why would he > insult the troops? Why would anyone? He's been doing it since he left Vietnam...his record speaks louder than your hippie shirts. Tex   Date: 02 Nov 2006 23:53:01 From: Doug Reese Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems larry wrote: > On Tue, 31 2006 19:53:17 -0500, "Otto" > <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >Tell Murtha that. > > Do some homework. Murtha was a reserve--NOT an active duty > Marine--and was never brave under fire, etc. The real marines I know > laugh at him--just as the Navy does at Kerry. "Do your homework"? This is pretty funny, coming from you. "Murtha learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from ACTIVE DUTY until he VOLUNTEERED for VIETNAM in 1966-67, where he served as the S-2 intelligence officer for the 1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division and received the Bronze Star with COMBAT "V", two PURPLE HEARTS and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry." Unbelieveable, Larry, unbelievable . . . . but let no one say you aren't consistent. Doug Reese > Larry     Date: 03 Nov 2006 08:55:30 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 2 Nov 2006 23:53:01 -0800, "Doug Reese" <dreese@erols.com > wrote: > >larry wrote: >> On Tue, 31 2006 19:53:17 -0500, "Otto" >> <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >Tell Murtha that. >> >> Do some homework. Murtha was a reserve--NOT an active duty >> Marine--and was never brave under fire, etc. The real marines I know >> laugh at him--just as the Navy does at Kerry. > >"Do your homework"? > >This is pretty funny, coming from you. > >"Murtha learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as >a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to >join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country >during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, >awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks >to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for >Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to >the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, >Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, >Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after >his discharge from ACTIVE DUTY until he VOLUNTEERED for VIETNAM in >1966-67, where he served as the S-2 intelligence officer for the 1st >Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division and received the >Bronze Star with COMBAT "V", two PURPLE HEARTS and the Vietnamese Cross >of Gallantry." > >Unbelieveable, Larry, unbelievable . . . . but let no one say you >aren't consistent. > >Doug Reese A reserve intelligence officer who never got close to a rifle or a bullet-- probably cut himself shaving like Kerry's self-inflicted Purple Heart wounds. I know some senior Marines (Active Duty) who were there at the same time--and they laugh at Murtha--then and now. He got rank by ass-kissing. Larry       Date: 03 Nov 2006 11:01:18 From: Lloyd Parsons Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <ftsmk29s79qo7077mek64c7bsffg07hbss@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On 2 Nov 2006 23:53:01 -0800, "Doug Reese" <dreese@erols.com> wrote: > > > > >larry wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 2006 19:53:17 -0500, "Otto" > >> <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> > >> >Tell Murtha that. > >> > >> Do some homework. Murtha was a reserve--NOT an active duty > >> Marine--and was never brave under fire, etc. The real marines I know > >> laugh at him--just as the Navy does at Kerry. > > > >"Do your homework"? > > > >This is pretty funny, coming from you. > > > >"Murtha learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as > >a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to > >join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country > >during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, > >awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks > >to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for > >Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to > >the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, > >Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, > >Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after > >his discharge from ACTIVE DUTY until he VOLUNTEERED for VIETNAM in > >1966-67, where he served as the S-2 intelligence officer for the 1st > >Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division and received the > >Bronze Star with COMBAT "V", two PURPLE HEARTS and the Vietnamese Cross > >of Gallantry." > > > >Unbelieveable, Larry, unbelievable . . . . but let no one say you > >aren't consistent. > > > >Doug Reese > > A reserve intelligence officer who never got close to a rifle or a > bullet-- probably cut himself shaving like Kerry's self-inflicted > Purple Heart wounds. I know some senior Marines (Active Duty) who > were there at the same time--and they laugh at Murtha--then and now. > He got rank by ass-kissing. > > Larry BS as usual. Bronze Stars weren't given away.     Date: 03 Nov 2006 10:06:56 From: Lloyd Parsons Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162540380.999575.138650@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >, "Doug Reese" <dreese@erols.com > wrote: > larry wrote: > > On Tue, 31 2006 19:53:17 -0500, "Otto" > > <ottondebREMove#$@^%!@*&@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > >Tell Murtha that. > > > > Do some homework. Murtha was a reserve--NOT an active duty > > Marine--and was never brave under fire, etc. The real marines I know > > laugh at him--just as the Navy does at Kerry. > > "Do your homework"? > > This is pretty funny, coming from you. > > "Murtha learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as > a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to > join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country > during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, > awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks > to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for > Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to > the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, > Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, > Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after > his discharge from ACTIVE DUTY until he VOLUNTEERED for VIETNAM in > 1966-67, where he served as the S-2 intelligence officer for the 1st > Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division and received the > Bronze Star with COMBAT "V", two PURPLE HEARTS and the Vietnamese Cross > of Gallantry." > > Unbelieveable, Larry, unbelievable . . . . but let no one say you > aren't consistent. > > Doug Reese > And while we're dispelling 'Larry myths', here's another on Kerry with link: Navy says Kerry's service awards were properly approved WASHINGTON (AP) The Navy's chief investigator concluded Friday that procedures were followed properly in the approval of Sen. John Kerry's Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart medals, according to an internal Navy memo. Vice Adm. R.A. Route, the Navy inspector general, conducted the review of Kerry's Vietnam-ear military service awards at the request of Judicial Watch, a public interest group. The group has also asked for the release of additional records documenting the Democratic presidential candidate's military service. Judicial Watch had requested in August that the Navy open an investigation of the matter, but Route said in an internal memo obtained by The Associated Press that he saw no reason for a full-scale probe. "Our examination found that existing documentation regarding the Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart medals indicates the awards approval process was properly followed," Route wrote in the memo sent Friday to Navy Secretary Gordon England. "In particular, the senior officers who awarded the medals were properly delegated authority to do so. In addition, we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards." Some veterans have challenged Kerry's version of the circumstances surrounding the incident that led to his Silver Star award for battlefield heroism, as well as his three Purple Heart medals. The Silver Star was awarded for his actions in pursuit of enemy forces while commander of swift boat unit PCF-94 in Vietnam in February 1969. Judicial Watch also asked the Navy inspector general to investigate Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam and left active duty. Route concluded that there was no justification for looking further into the decisions to award the medals or the anti-war activities. "Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place over 30 years ago would not be productive," he wrote. "The passage of time would make reconstruction of the facts and circumstances unreliable, and would not allow the information gathered to be considered in the context of the time in which the events took place. "Our review also considered the fact that Senator Kerry's post-active duty activities were public and that military and civilian officials were aware of his actions at the time. For these reasons, I have determined that Senator Kerry's awards were properly approved and will take no further action in this matter." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-1 7-kerry-navy-awards_x.htm       Date: 03 Nov 2006 08:59:08 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:06:56 -0500, Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote: >"Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place >over 30 years ago would not be productive," Which means "I am afraid to open that hornet's nest." What did you expect-- some sort of expose'? Larry         Date: 03 Nov 2006 11:04:41 From: Lloyd Parsons Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <n8tmk2liku430qo4datpr081j9i8imntto@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:06:56 -0500, Lloyd Parsons > <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote: > > >"Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place > >over 30 years ago would not be productive," > > Which means "I am afraid to open that hornet's nest." What did you > expect-- some sort of expose'? > > Larry What it means is that only through your neocon colored eyes would you see it in any way except the negative position you have taken. You really ought to get you nose out of the ass of all those 'senior military officers' you claim to run with.         Date: 04 Nov 2006 00:38:07 From: JJK Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems lloydparsons wrote: > >"Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place > >over 30 years ago would not be productive," Larry wrote: > Which means "I am afraid to open that hornet's nest." What did you > expect-- some sort of expose'? If Nixon's entourage couldn't find anything to discredit Kerry while the "trail" was warm, it is virtually certain that you're foolish to shamefully try to discredit someone with more honor than you.   Date: 03 Nov 2006 16:35:49 From: BigPurdueFan Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Alan Baker wrote: > In article <1162592441.356762.197050@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote: > > > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > > > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > > > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > > > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > > > > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > > > > > > > Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > > > > apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > > > > issue, or is she consistent? > > > > > > She's consistently despicable. > > > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > > which is at least somewhat despicable. > > Ann Coulter? Respected? > > LOL! No, respecxted. :-)   Date: 03 Nov 2006 16:32:30 From: Tex Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Slo wrote: > John B. wrote: > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > I don't like defending the indefensible Coulter but, is that > a legit quote? I just googled for it and I couldn't find it > referenced back before the Kerry Kerfuffle blew into town. Not defending her, cuz she's too wacky for me (it's an act, but still!) and she's too skinny.... But there is no way she said that.... "if it's on the Internet, it's probably not true" Tex   Date: 03 Nov 2006 16:30:45 From: Tex Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Head Shot wrote: > Alan Baker wrote: > > Ann Coulter? Respected? > > You don't respect this: > > http://img25.exs.cx/img25/452/anncoulter8ev.jpg She weighs at least a Pflum more than Ann Coulter. :) Tex   Date: 03 Nov 2006 16:21:21 From: Slo Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 I don't like defending the indefensible Coulter but, is that a legit quote? I just googled for it and I couldn't find it referenced back before the Kerry Kerfuffle blew into town.     Date: 03 Nov 2006 18:10:26 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162599681.021338.254020@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "Slo" <Slosteve@gmail.com > wrote: > John B. wrote: > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > I don't like defending the indefensible Coulter but, is that > a legit quote? No. > I just googled for it and I couldn't find it > referenced back before the Kerry Kerfuffle blew into town. It's an obvious hoax.   Date: 03 Nov 2006 14:20:41 From: The_Professor Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > The_Professor wrote: > > John B. wrote: > > > "R&B" wrote: > > > > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > "R&B" wrote: > > > > >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > > > > >> for a > > > > >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > > > > >> little > > > > >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > > > > > > > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > > > > don't like? > > > > > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > > > > deserves it. > > > > > > > > > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > > > > >> public. > > > > > > > > > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > > > > > > > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > > > > >> speaking > > > > >> altogether. > > > > > > > > > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > > > > >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > > > > >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > > > > >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > > > > >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > > > > > > > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > > > > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > > > > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > > > > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > > > > prepared text. > > > > > > > > > > You pick. > > > > > > > > > > Tex > > > > > > > > > > > > You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > > > > blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > > > > speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > > > > of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > > > > > > > > I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > > > > door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > > > > > > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > > > Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > > apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > > issue, or is she consistent? > > She's consistently despicable. I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, which is at least somewhat despicable.     Date: 03 Nov 2006 23:28:47 From: Alan Baker Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162592441.356762.197050@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote: > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > > > > > Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > > > apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > > > issue, or is she consistent? > > > > She's consistently despicable. > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > which is at least somewhat despicable. Ann Coulter? Respected? LOL! -- 'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)       Date: 03 Nov 2006 18:38:49 From: Head Shot Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Alan Baker wrote: > Ann Coulter? Respected? You don't respect this: http://img25.exs.cx/img25/452/anncoulter8ev.jpg -- ___________________________________________________________ A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas Jefferson       Date: 04 Nov 2006 18:51:20 From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Alan Baker wrote: > In article <1162592441.356762.197050@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net> wrote: > > > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > > > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > > > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > > > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > > > > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > > > > > > > Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > > > > apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > > > > issue, or is she consistent? > > > > > > She's consistently despicable. > > > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > > which is at least somewhat despicable. > > Ann Coulter? Respected? > > LOL! Maybe not by you, but you probably respect Patty Sheehan...who is a fool IMHO. Coulter has a sense of humor an a wit. Sheehan is a dullard.     Date: 06 Nov 2006 08:03:56 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The World Wide Wade wrote: > In article > <clark.31-0B472B.16232305112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, > "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote: > > > Christianity is not incompatible > > with evolution. > > Maybe you could fashion some notion of god that is compatible > with evolution, but Christianity? The Old Testament? There's a > reason Christians have perceived science and most of the free > enquiry dating from the Enlightenment as a threat: It punches all > kinds of holes in their holy books. Christians? There are more than a billion Christians and it may surprise you to learn that they don't all hold the same opinion. I'm a practicing Roman Catholic and I believe that evolution is compatible with Christianity. I don't believe the stories in the Old Testament and most Catholics don't beleive them, either. Only the most conservative, fundamentalist Christians believe the stories of Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, etc, and feel threated by science.       Date: 06 Nov 2006 11:05:40 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162829036.080838.138600@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote: > The World Wide Wade wrote: > > In article > > <clark.31-0B472B.16232305112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, > > "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > Christianity is not incompatible > > > with evolution. > > > > Maybe you could fashion some notion of god that is compatible > > with evolution, but Christianity? The Old Testament? There's a > > reason Christians have perceived science and most of the free > > enquiry dating from the Enlightenment as a threat: It punches all > > kinds of holes in their holy books. > > Christians? There are more than a billion Christians and it may > surprise you to learn that they don't all hold the same opinion. I'm a > practicing Roman Catholic and I believe that evolution is compatible > with Christianity. I don't believe the stories in the Old Testament and > most Catholics don't beleive them, either. Only the most conservative, > fundamentalist Christians believe the stories of Adam and Eve, Noah's > Ark, Jonah and the Whale, etc, and feel threated by science. Well of course the Roman Catholic Church was violently opposed to science in the latter's great discocery period in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Vatican has adapted as it had to for marketing purposes; otherwise it would have gone the way of of the steam engine. I don't remember Jesus saying anything negative about the whoppers in the Old Testament. Plenty of whoppers in the New Testament too. I don't remember Jesus saying anything negative about slavery either, and there's plenty in the NT condoning it. Jesus said some good things, he said some bad things. It seems people can now cherry pick among passages in the bible and still call themselves Christians. This is a useless designation. It implies every atheist is a Christian. I can find a bunch of things in the Koran I agree with; am I then a Moslem?   Date: 03 Nov 2006 11:22:07 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The_Professor wrote: > John B. wrote: > > "R&B" wrote: > > > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > "R&B" wrote: > > > >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > > > >> for a > > > >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > > > >> little > > > >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > > > > > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > > > don't like? > > > > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > > > deserves it. > > > > > > > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > > > >> public. > > > > > > > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > > > > > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > > > >> speaking > > > >> altogether. > > > > > > > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > > > >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > > > >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > > > >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > > > >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > > > > > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > > > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > > > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > > > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > > > prepared text. > > > > > > > > You pick. > > > > > > > > Tex > > > > > > > > > You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > > > blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > > > speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > > > of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > > > > > > I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > > > door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > > > > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > issue, or is she consistent? She's consistently despicable.   Date: 04 Nov 2006 07:16:12 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The World Wide Wade wrote: > In article > <1162564379.943791.4290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > I did a Google search and found very little - just a few blogs > that keep reposting the "Coulter quote", much like you are doing. > A statement like that would have caused a sensation and there > would be thousands of hits. I just searched at Intervention > Magazine and don't get hits on the text you posted. This looks > like just another internet hoax - a pretty transparent one at > that. Well, gee, maybe Intervention took it down. Did you ever think of that?     Date: 04 Nov 2006 11:53:56 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <1162653371.996819.322300@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote: > The World Wide Wade wrote: > > In article > > <1162564379.943791.4290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > > > I did a Google search and found very little - just a few blogs > > that keep reposting the "Coulter quote", much like you are doing. > > A statement like that would have caused a sensation and there > > would be thousands of hits. I just searched at Intervention > > Magazine and don't get hits on the text you posted. This looks > > like just another internet hoax - a pretty transparent one at > > that. > > > Well, gee, maybe Intervention took it down. Did you ever think of that? There are lots of hoaxes on the internet ... lots of people fall for them ... maybe you're one of them ... Did you ever think of that?       Date: 04 Nov 2006 14:14:01 From: Kenn Smith Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Two comments. I think that Senator Kerry may have fatally shot himself in the foot but I don't think the damage will go much beyond that between now and Tuesday. Interesting article in (I think) Thursday's paper re: Coulter. The article said that she is being investigated for felony vote fraud in Florida for knowingly voting in the wrong precinct. Not much more than that and I haven't seen anything since.   Date: 04 Nov 2006 07:14:23 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The_Professor wrote: > John B. wrote: > > The_Professor wrote: > > > John B. wrote: > > > > "R&B" wrote: > > > > > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > "R&B" wrote: > > > > > >> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > > > > > >> for a > > > > > >> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > > > > > >> little > > > > > >> like the pot calling the kettle black. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > > > > > > don't like? > > > > > > The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > > > > > > deserves it. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > > > > > >> public. > > > > > > > > > > > > True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > > > > > > > > > > > >> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > > > > > >> speaking > > > > > >> altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > > > > > >>A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > > > > > >>text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > > > > > >>don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > > > > > >>up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > > > > > > > > > > > > If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > > > > > > because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > > > > > > Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > > > > > > Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > > > > > > prepared text. > > > > > > > > > > > > You pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > > > > > blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > > > > > speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > > > > > of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > > > > > > > > > > I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > > > > > door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > > > > > > > > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > > > > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > > > > > Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > > > apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > > > issue, or is she consistent? > > > > She's consistently despicable. > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > which is at least somewhat despicable. Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from public life.     Date: 04 Nov 2006 13:48:30 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > The_Professor wrote: >> John B. wrote: >>> The_Professor wrote: >>>> John B. wrote: >>>>> "R&B" wrote: >>>>>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: >>>>>>>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>> like the pot calling the kettle black. >>>>>>> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you >>>>>>> don't like? >>>>>>> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >>>>>>> deserves it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >>>>>>>> public. >>>>>>> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >>>>>>>> speaking >>>>>>>> altogether. >>>>>>> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >>>>>>>> A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared >>>>>>>> text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you >>>>>>>> don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end >>>>>>>> up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." >>>>>>> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell >>>>>>> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) >>>>>>> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling >>>>>>> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >>>>>>> prepared text. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You pick. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tex >>>>>> >>>>>> You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry >>>>>> blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling >>>>>> speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest >>>>>> of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. >>>>>> >>>>>> I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the >>>>>> door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they >>>>>> cannot possibly be misunderstood. >>>>> I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: >>>>> >>>>> "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The >>>>> lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, >>>>> enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. >>>>> Some will have to die in the support of our cause." >>>>> >>>>> Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 >>>> Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry >>>> apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this >>>> issue, or is she consistent? >>> She's consistently despicable. >> I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator >> whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we >> can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, >> fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses >> deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, >> which is at least somewhat despicable. > > > Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > public life. > Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent your anger at those obvious bigots too?   Date: 04 Nov 2006 13:53:06 From: John B. Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Bert Robbins wrote: > John B. wrote: > > The_Professor wrote: > >> John B. wrote: > >>> The_Professor wrote: > >>>> John B. wrote: > >>>>> "R&B" wrote: > >>>>>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: > >>>>>>>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, > >>>>>>>> for a > >>>>>>>> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a > >>>>>>>> little > >>>>>>>> like the pot calling the kettle black. > >>>>>>> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you > >>>>>>> don't like? > >>>>>>> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > >>>>>>> deserves it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > >>>>>>>> public. > >>>>>>> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > >>>>>>>> speaking > >>>>>>>> altogether. > >>>>>>> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >>>>>>>> A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared > >>>>>>>> text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you > >>>>>>>> don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end > >>>>>>>> up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > >>>>>>> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > >>>>>>> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) > >>>>>>> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling > >>>>>>> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > >>>>>>> prepared text. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You pick. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tex > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry > >>>>>> blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling > >>>>>> speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest > >>>>>> of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the > >>>>>> door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > >>>>>> cannot possibly be misunderstood. > >>>>> I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > >>>>> > >>>>> "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > >>>>> lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > >>>>> enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > >>>>> Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > >>>>> > >>>>> Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > >>>> Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > >>>> apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > >>>> issue, or is she consistent? > >>> She's consistently despicable. > >> I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > >> whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > >> can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > >> fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > >> deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > >> which is at least somewhat despicable. > > > > > > Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > > liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > > could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > > bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > > public life. > > > > Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the > neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent > your anger at those obvious bigots too? Yes.     Date: 04 Nov 2006 18:40:47 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > Bert Robbins wrote: >> John B. wrote: >>> The_Professor wrote: >>>> John B. wrote: >>>>> The_Professor wrote: >>>>>> John B. wrote: >>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: >>>>>>>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: >>>>>>>>>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in sentences, >>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is a >>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>> like the pot calling the kettle black. >>>>>>>>> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and you >>>>>>>>> don't like? >>>>>>>>> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >>>>>>>>> deserves it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in >>>>>>>>>> public. >>>>>>>>> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public >>>>>>>>>> speaking >>>>>>>>>> altogether. >>>>>>>>> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >>>>>>>>>> A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's prepared >>>>>>>>>> text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if you >>>>>>>>>> don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end >>>>>>>>>> up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." >>>>>>>>> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell >>>>>>>>> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, 1) >>>>>>>>> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a bumbling >>>>>>>>> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >>>>>>>>> prepared text. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You pick. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tex >>>>>>>> You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that Kerry >>>>>>>> blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, bumbling >>>>>>>> speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, bumblingest >>>>>>>> of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he left the >>>>>>>> door wide open for people like you to call into question his true meaning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they >>>>>>>> cannot possibly be misunderstood. >>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The >>>>>>> lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, >>>>>>> enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. >>>>>>> Some will have to die in the support of our cause." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 >>>>>> Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry >>>>>> apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this >>>>>> issue, or is she consistent? >>>>> She's consistently despicable. >>>> I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator >>>> whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we >>>> can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, >>>> fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses >>>> deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, >>>> which is at least somewhat despicable. >>> >>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL >>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one >>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her >>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from >>> public life. >>> >> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the >> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent >> your anger at those obvious bigots too? > > > Yes. > Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, WP and some other left leaning rags.       Date: 04 Nov 2006 16:11:15 From: The World Wide Wade Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <lJudnVH73rOcuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com >, Bert Robbins <screw@you.com > wrote: > John B. wrote: > > Bert Robbins wrote: > >> John B. wrote: > >>> The_Professor wrote: > >>>> John B. wrote: > >>>>> The_Professor wrote: > >>>>>> John B. wrote: > >>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: > >>>>>>>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in > >>>>>>>>>> sentences, > >>>>>>>>>> for a > >>>>>>>>>> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing is > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> little > >>>>>>>>>> like the pot calling the kettle black. > >>>>>>>>> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak and > >>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>> don't like? > >>>>>>>>> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he > >>>>>>>>> deserves it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell jokes in > >>>>>>>>>> public. > >>>>>>>>> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see below) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid public > >>>>>>>>>> speaking > >>>>>>>>>> altogether. > >>>>>>>>> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: > >>>>>>>>>> A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the senator's > >>>>>>>>>> prepared > >>>>>>>>>> text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up if > >>>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>> don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually lazy? > >>>>>>>>>> You end > >>>>>>>>>> up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President Bush." > >>>>>>>>> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib hell > >>>>>>>>> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So either, > >>>>>>>>> 1) > >>>>>>>>> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a > >>>>>>>>> bumbling > >>>>>>>>> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a > >>>>>>>>> prepared text. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You pick. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tex > >>>>>>>> You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit that > >>>>>>>> Kerry > >>>>>>>> blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, > >>>>>>>> bumbling > >>>>>>>> speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, > >>>>>>>> bumblingest > >>>>>>>> of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, he > >>>>>>>> left the > >>>>>>>> door wide open for people like you to call into question his true > >>>>>>>> meaning. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so > >>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>> cannot possibly be misunderstood. > >>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > >>>>>>> lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > >>>>>>> enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > >>>>>>> Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > >>>>>> Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry > >>>>>> apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this > >>>>>> issue, or is she consistent? > >>>>> She's consistently despicable. > >>>> I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > >>>> whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > >>>> can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > >>>> fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > >>>> deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > >>>> which is at least somewhat despicable. > >>> > >>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > >>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > >>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > >>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > >>> public life. > >>> > >> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the > >> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent > >> your anger at those obvious bigots too? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, > WP and some other left leaning rags. The idea that these large corporate media outlets are "left leaning" is hilarious.         Date: 04 Nov 2006 20:36:36 From: Jack Hollis Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:11:15 -0800, The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote: >The idea that these large corporate media outlets are "left >leaning" is hilarious. It all depends on your point of view. If you read the Guardian and the Global Policy Forum and watch Link TV, then the mainstream media is well to your right. However, if National Review and the Weekly Standard are your cup of tea, then the mainstream media is to your left. The three major TV networks in the US are left of center. Actually, I have to revise that, because Fox has moved into third place ahead of NBC. So three of the four top TV networks are left of center. Most of the major newspapers in the US are left of center. The one media source that the right has staked out is talk radio. Hollywood is well left of center. American universities are, for the most part, well left of center.         Date: 04 Nov 2006 19:59:21 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems The World Wide Wade wrote: > In article <lJudnVH73rOcuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > >> John B. wrote: >>> Bert Robbins wrote: >>>> John B. wrote: >>>>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL >>>>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one >>>>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her >>>>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from >>>>> public life. >>>>> >>>> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the >>>> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent >>>> your anger at those obvious bigots too? >>> >>> Yes. >>> >> Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, >> WP and some other left leaning rags. > > The idea that these large corporate media outlets are "left > leaning" is hilarious. Do you ever read? Word choice and tone are keys to identifying a biased article. But, if you want to believe that there is no bias right or left in newspapers, periodicals, web sites, radio, or TV you need to climb out of you hole and join the rest of us.           Date: 04 Nov 2006 19:32:05 From: Lloyd Parsons Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <8uSdncURxrf0qtDYnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@comcast.com >, Bert Robbins <screw@you.com > wrote: > The World Wide Wade wrote: > > In article <lJudnVH73rOcuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > > > >> John B. wrote: > >>> Bert Robbins wrote: > >>>> John B. wrote: > >>>>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > >>>>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > >>>>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > >>>>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > >>>>> public life. > >>>>> > >>>> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the > >>>> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent > >>>> your anger at those obvious bigots too? > >>> > >>> Yes. > >>> > >> Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, > >> WP and some other left leaning rags. > > > > The idea that these large corporate media outlets are "left > > leaning" is hilarious. > > Do you ever read? Word choice and tone are keys to identifying a biased > article. > > But, if you want to believe that there is no bias right or left in > newspapers, periodicals, web sites, radio, or TV you need to climb out > of you hole and join the rest of us. You're right, there is a bias. And it shifts from right to left all the time. The mainstream media has for quite some time given Bush a bye. Only recently did it start to shift a bit to the left.             Date: 04 Nov 2006 22:27:00 From: Bert Robbins Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems Lloyd Parsons wrote: > In article <8uSdncURxrf0qtDYnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > >> The World Wide Wade wrote: >>> In article <lJudnVH73rOcuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, >>> Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: >>> >>>> John B. wrote: >>>>> Bert Robbins wrote: >>>>>> John B. wrote: >>>>>>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL >>>>>>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one >>>>>>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her >>>>>>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from >>>>>>> public life. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the >>>>>> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent >>>>>> your anger at those obvious bigots too? >>>>> Yes. >>>>> >>>> Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, >>>> WP and some other left leaning rags. >>> The idea that these large corporate media outlets are "left >>> leaning" is hilarious. >> Do you ever read? Word choice and tone are keys to identifying a biased >> article. >> >> But, if you want to believe that there is no bias right or left in >> newspapers, periodicals, web sites, radio, or TV you need to climb out >> of you hole and join the rest of us. > > You're right, there is a bias. And it shifts from right to left all the > time. The mainstream media has for quite some time given Bush a bye. > Only recently did it start to shift a bit to the left. You have got to be kidding, or blind.         Date: 06 Nov 2006 11:57:57 From: MnMikew Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "The World Wide Wade" <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote in message news:waderameyxiii-992C48.16111504112006@comcast.dca.giganews.com... > In article <lJudnVH73rOcuNDYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>, > Bert Robbins <screw@you.com> wrote: > >> John B. wrote: >> > Bert Robbins wrote: >> >> John B. wrote: >> >>> The_Professor wrote: >> >>>> John B. wrote: >> >>>>> The_Professor wrote: >> >>>>>> John B. wrote: >> >>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: >> >>>>>>>> "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>> news:1162417275.791799.50280@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> >>>>>>>>> "R&B" wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> You know, Tex, as many times as Dubya has botched syntax in >> >>>>>>>>>> sentences, >> >>>>>>>>>> for a >> >>>>>>>>>> Dubya supporter to take Kerry to task for doing the same thing >> >>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>> little >> >>>>>>>>>> like the pot calling the kettle black. >> >>>>>>>>> Ya think? Or maybe it's just your side taking a little flak >> >>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>>> don't like? >> >>>>>>>>> The guy fucked up...and then made it worse. Enjoy the heat, he >> >>>>>>>>> deserves it. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Kerry is not a funny man. He should avoid trying to tell >> >>>>>>>>>> jokes in >> >>>>>>>>>> public. >> >>>>>>>>> True enough, he should try reading comprehension too...(see >> >>>>>>>>> below) >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Similarly, Dubya is not an articulate man. He should avoid >> >>>>>>>>>> public >> >>>>>>>>>> speaking >> >>>>>>>>>> altogether. >> >>>>>>>>> Really...Let's see what Kerry was "supposed" to say: >> >>>>>>>>>> A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said later that the >> >>>>>>>>>> senator's >> >>>>>>>>>> prepared >> >>>>>>>>>> text had >called for him to say: "Do you know where you end up >> >>>>>>>>>> if >> >>>>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>>>> don't study, if you aren't >smart, if you're intellectually >> >>>>>>>>>> lazy? >> >>>>>>>>>> You end >> >>>>>>>>>> up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask >President >> >>>>>>>>>> Bush." >> >>>>>>>>> If that was really the prepared text....he went into ad lib >> >>>>>>>>> hell >> >>>>>>>>> because what he really said wasn't even close to that. So >> >>>>>>>>> either, >> >>>>>>>>> 1) >> >>>>>>>>> Amy Brundage is a lieing sack of shit trying to cover for a >> >>>>>>>>> bumbling >> >>>>>>>>> Kerry, or 2) Kerry is really a dumb fuck that can't even read a >> >>>>>>>>> prepared text. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> You pick. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Tex >> >>>>>>>> You're wasting your time with me. I'll be the first to admit >> >>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>> Kerry >> >>>>>>>> blew it. He had a valid point to make, and like the stumbling, >> >>>>>>>> bumbling >> >>>>>>>> speaker that he is (barely better than Bush, the stumblingest, >> >>>>>>>> bumblingest >> >>>>>>>> of all-time), he blew his one shot at making his point. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I got what he meant. But by saying it in such a clumsy manner, >> >>>>>>>> he >> >>>>>>>> left the >> >>>>>>>> door wide open for people like you to call into question his >> >>>>>>>> true >> >>>>>>>> meaning. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, >> >>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>> cannot possibly be misunderstood. >> >>>>>>> I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The >> >>>>>>> lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, >> >>>>>>> enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. >> >>>>>>> Some will have to die in the support of our cause." >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 >> >>>>>> Typical urban view of the military...shared by Coulter and Kerry >> >>>>>> apparently...now does Coulter claim to have contrary views on this >> >>>>>> issue, or is she consistent? >> >>>>> She's consistently despicable. >> >>>> I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator >> >>>> whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we >> >>>> can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was >> >>>> GRRREAT, >> >>>> fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their >> >>>> spouses >> >>>> deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, >> >>>> which is at least somewhat despicable. >> >>> >> >>> Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL >> >>> liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one >> >>> could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her >> >>> bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from >> >>> public life. >> >>> >> >> Are you going to get as upset about the people who disparage the >> >> neo-cons? What about those who disparage conservatives, will you vent >> >> your anger at those obvious bigots too? >> > >> > >> > Yes. >> > >> >> Then, you might want to get started, read tomorrow morning's NYT, LAT, >> WP and some other left leaning rags. > > The idea that these large corporate media outlets are "left > leaning" is hilarious. But still true.   Date: 04 Nov 2006 12:26:27 From: Tex Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems John B. wrote: > The World Wide Wade wrote: > > In article > > <1162564379.943791.4290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they > > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > > > > > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > > > > > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > > > > > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > > > > I did a Google search and found very little - just a few blogs > > that keep reposting the "Coulter quote", much like you are doing. > > A statement like that would have caused a sensation and there > > would be thousands of hits. I just searched at Intervention > > Magazine and don't get hits on the text you posted. This looks > > like just another internet hoax - a pretty transparent one at > > that. > > > Well, gee, maybe Intervention took it down. Did you ever think of that? Well, gee, did you ever think that maybe they took it down because it was false? Gee, what a concept. Tex     Date: 04 Nov 2006 17:42:39 From: larry Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems On 4 Nov 2006 12:26:27 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote: > >John B. wrote: >> The World Wide Wade wrote: >> > In article >> > <1162564379.943791.4290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, >> > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so they >> > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. >> > > >> > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: >> > > >> > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The >> > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, >> > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. >> > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." >> > > >> > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 >> > >> > I did a Google search and found very little - just a few blogs >> > that keep reposting the "Coulter quote", much like you are doing. >> > A statement like that would have caused a sensation and there >> > would be thousands of hits. I just searched at Intervention >> > Magazine and don't get hits on the text you posted. This looks >> > like just another internet hoax - a pretty transparent one at >> > that. >> >> >> Well, gee, maybe Intervention took it down. Did you ever think of that? > >Well, gee, did you ever think that maybe they took it down because it >was false? > >Gee, what a concept. > >Tex Hey Tex, I looked at that long list of posts since I quit Friday afternoon and just gave up and scrolled down to the bottom, saw your name and clicked on it. If I read all of that crap and responded, I would have been unable to play today and shoot 80 again, and then come home and go to Home Depot with my wife and buy a bunch of plants, then have some wine while watching the sunset over our fountain down on the West lawn. I forgot what the RSG nutcases were debating-- what was the big bone of contention again? I vaguely remember starting 3 or 4 threads that of course have been dominating RSG for several days. Waiting for my hot tub to warm up. Shortly I will be in that 103 degree water and watching the liberal media do their evening clown acts. Later larry (KING of RSG)       Date: 08 Nov 2006 05:00:06 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <psfqk2978a2ahjmf1qabd90rb460cf5l3l@4ax.com >, larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote: > On 4 Nov 2006 12:26:27 -0800, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >John B. wrote: > >> The World Wide Wade wrote: > >> > In article > >> > <1162564379.943791.4290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, > >> > "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > I'm a big believer in people speaking in crystal-clear fashion, so > >> > > > they > >> > > > cannot possibly be misunderstood. > >> > > > >> > > I couldn't agree more. Here's a perfect example: > >> > > > >> > > "Soldiers are just cowards with their backs against the wall. The > >> > > lowest IQ men in our society, those incapable of normal careers, > >> > > enlist. Their choice in life: prison or the military. > >> > > Some will have to die in the support of our cause." > >> > > > >> > > Ann Coulter - Intervention Magazine, 11/06/03 > >> > > >> > I did a Google search and found very little - just a few blogs > >> > that keep reposting the "Coulter quote", much like you are doing. > >> > A statement like that would have caused a sensation and there > >> > would be thousands of hits. I just searched at Intervention > >> > Magazine and don't get hits on the text you posted. This looks > >> > like just another internet hoax - a pretty transparent one at > >> > that. > >> > >> > >> Well, gee, maybe Intervention took it down. Did you ever think of that? > > > >Well, gee, did you ever think that maybe they took it down because it > >was false? > > > >Gee, what a concept. > > > >Tex > > Hey Tex, > > I looked at that long list of posts since I quit Friday afternoon and > just gave up and scrolled down to the bottom, saw your name and > clicked on it. If I read all of that crap and responded, I would have > been unable to play today and shoot 80 again, and then come home and > go to Home Depot with my wife and buy a bunch of plants, then have > some wine while watching the sunset over our fountain down on the West > lawn. > > I forgot what the RSG nutcases were debating-- what was the big bone > of contention again? I vaguely remember starting 3 or 4 threads that > of course have been dominating RSG for several days. > > Waiting for my hot tub to warm up. Shortly I will be in that 103 > degree water and watching the liberal media do their evening clown > acts. > > Later > > larry (KING of RSG) Uh, oh . . looks like the plumbing has gone out in the trailer park again. William Clark   Date: 04 Nov 2006 19:13:10 From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "John B." wrote: > The_Professor wrote: > > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > > which is at least somewhat despicable. > > Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > public life. First off, the "quote" seems to be a fraud, so I withdraw comment on it. Coulter is clearly using sarcastic wit. The real scum are blogs like MoveOn and others. Even here, we see references to Bush and Rumsfeld that are far worse than anything Ann Coulter says. The problem with the left in the US is that they will not tolerate any dissent on their views. They absolutely assasinate anyone who voices opposing views; even though almost all their policies failed. Conservatives don't heckle Patty Sheehan off the stage, or disrupt convocations where idiots like Noam Chomsky were speakers; but we know what liberals do, don't we? All Ann Coulter does is comment; someone else has to commit the acts she comments on.     Date: 04 Nov 2006 18:04:48 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <454CE462.67DD22A1@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote: > "John B." wrote: > > > The_Professor wrote: > > > > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > > > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > > > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > > > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > > > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > > > which is at least somewhat despicable. > > > > Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > > liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > > could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > > bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > > public life. > > First off, the "quote" seems to be a fraud, so I withdraw comment on it. > Coulter is > clearly using sarcastic wit. The real scum are blogs like MoveOn and others. > Even here, > we see references to Bush and Rumsfeld that are far worse than anything Ann > Coulter says. > The problem with the left in the US is that they will not tolerate any > dissent on their > views. They absolutely assasinate anyone who voices opposing views; even > though almost > all their policies failed. Conservatives don't heckle Patty Sheehan off the > stage, or > disrupt convocations where idiots like Noam Chomsky were speakers; but we > know what > liberals do, don't we? All Ann Coulter does is comment; someone else has to > commit the > acts she comments on. Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? William Clark       Date: 05 Nov 2006 02:21:04 From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > In article <454CE462.67DD22A1@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > wrote: > > > "John B." wrote: > > > > > The_Professor wrote: > > > > > > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > > > > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > > > > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was GRRREAT, > > > > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > > > > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > > > > which is at least somewhat despicable. > > > > > > Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > > > liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > > > could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > > > bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > > > public life. > > > > First off, the "quote" seems to be a fraud, so I withdraw comment on it. > > Coulter is > > clearly using sarcastic wit. The real scum are blogs like MoveOn and others. > > Even here, > > we see references to Bush and Rumsfeld that are far worse than anything Ann > > Coulter says. > > The problem with the left in the US is that they will not tolerate any > > dissent on their > > views. They absolutely assasinate anyone who voices opposing views; even > > though almost > > all their policies failed. Conservatives don't heckle Patty Sheehan off the > > stage, or > > disrupt convocations where idiots like Noam Chomsky were speakers; but we > > know what > > liberals do, don't we? All Ann Coulter does is comment; someone else has to > > commit the > > acts she comments on. > > Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? > > Exactly. Liberals will toerate no dissent, therefore people like Ann Coulter and Condolezza Rice *MUST* be prevented from speaking freely to the public.         Date: 04 Nov 2006 22:46:51 From: William A. T. Clark Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems In article <454D48AD.4D300DC6@att.net >, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> wrote: > "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > > > In article <454CE462.67DD22A1@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > > wrote: > > > > > "John B." wrote: > > > > > > > The_Professor wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > > > > > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > > > > > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was > > > > > GRRREAT, > > > > > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > > > > > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > > > > > which is at least somewhat despicable. > > > > > > > > Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > > > > liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > > > > could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > > > > bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > > > > public life. > > > > > > First off, the "quote" seems to be a fraud, so I withdraw comment on it. > > > Coulter is > > > clearly using sarcastic wit. The real scum are blogs like MoveOn and > > > others. > > > Even here, > > > we see references to Bush and Rumsfeld that are far worse than anything > > > Ann > > > Coulter says. > > > The problem with the left in the US is that they will not tolerate any > > > dissent on their > > > views. They absolutely assasinate anyone who voices opposing views; even > > > though almost > > > all their policies failed. Conservatives don't heckle Patty Sheehan off > > > the > > > stage, or > > > disrupt convocations where idiots like Noam Chomsky were speakers; but we > > > know what > > > liberals do, don't we? All Ann Coulter does is comment; someone else has > > > to > > > commit the > > > acts she comments on. > > > > Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? > > > > > > Exactly. Liberals will toerate no dissent, therefore people like Ann Coulter > and > Condolezza Rice *MUST* be prevented from speaking freely to the public. Now you really ARE joking. William Clark           Date: 05 Nov 2006 17:07:57 From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Re: Kerry Screws the Dems "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > In article <454D48AD.4D300DC6@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > wrote: > > > "William A. T. Clark" wrote: > > > > > In article <454CE462.67DD22A1@att.net>, Robert Hamilton <DBID@att.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > "John B." wrote: > > > > > > > > > The_Professor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think that's a bit extreme. She is a respecxted social commwntator > > > > > > whose main tool is sarcastic wit. Too bad we are all so lame that we > > > > > > can't take a bit of sarcasm. The witches of Berwick thing was > > > > > > GRRREAT, > > > > > > fgor example, IMHO because those women were exploiting their spouses > > > > > > deaths. They've made an enormous amount of money off those deaths, > > > > > > which is at least somewhat despicable. > > > > > > > > > > Ann Coulter is a font of hatred. She talks about "liberals" -- ALL > > > > > liberals -- the way racists used to talk about black people, when one > > > > > could get away with that kind of talk. She's a bigot who directs her > > > > > bigotry at a group you can still malign without being ostracized from > > > > > public life. > > > > > > > > First off, the "quote" seems to be a fraud, so I withdraw comment on it. > > > > Coulter is > > > > clearly using sarcastic wit. The real scum are blogs like MoveOn and > > > > others. > > > > Even here, > > > > we see references to Bush and Rumsfeld that are far worse than anything > > > > Ann > > > > Coulter says. > > > > The problem with the left in the US is that they will not tolerate any > > > > dissent on their > > > > views. They absolutely assasinate anyone who voices opposing views; even > > > > though almost > > > > all their policies failed. Conservatives don't heckle Patty Sheehan off > > > > the > > > > stage, or > > > > disrupt convocations where idiots like Noam Chomsky were speakers; but we > > > > know what > > > > liberals do, don't we? All Ann Coulter does is comment; someone else has > > > > to > > > > commit the > > > > acts she comments on. > > > > > > Good Lord, 'tolerate no dissent'? Will you listen to yourself? > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. Liberals will toerate no dissent, therefore people like Ann Coulter > > and > > Condo