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Date: 11 Oct 2006 23:04:41
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Finish the swing with your hands on top of your head. Nearly all slicers cut across the ball with an outside-in direction at impact and their arms continue in that direction and so the hands finish over the left shoulder or, as in my case, even outside the left shoulder. But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you are forced to swing from the inside.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 10:03:58
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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dugjustdug wrote: > On 12, 8:47 am, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA > > Yet just 6 short minutes later, you refer to another poster in one of > your rant threads as (Gosh! I hope I get this right...) a "whiney-butt > shack of sh!t". > > I can't judge you a *total* hypocrite because at least your message of > people not changing over time is consistent. Ignorance is bliss.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:05:18
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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On 12, 8:47 am, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2...@yahoo.com > wrote: > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA Yet just 6 short minutes later, you refer to another poster in one of your rant threads as (Gosh! I hope I get this right...) a "whiney-butt shack of sh!t". I can't judge you a *total* hypocrite because at least your message of people not changing over time is consistent.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 06:42:41
From: carl llewellyn
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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If you put your ball in your pocket, then drop it on the ground where you want to, you will never have to worry about a slice.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:47:26
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Larry Bud wrote: > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > > Howard9 wrote: > > > > > > > I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to > > > concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming > > > straight back.... > > > > I did that for years but it didn't help me. No matter how perfect the > > backswing, i still screwed up on the downswing. My cure focuses on the > > downswing. > > I can't imagine a nut job like yourself who gets bent out of shape over > EVERYTHING playing golf. HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:36:36
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > Howard9 wrote: > > In article <1160633081.370833.128270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > xeton2001@yahoo.com says... > > > Finish the swing with your hands on top of your head. Nearly all > > > slicers cut across the ball with an outside-in direction at impact > > > and their arms continue in that direction and so the hands finish over > > > the left shoulder or, as in my case, even outside the left shoulder. > > > But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you > > > are forced to swing from the inside. > > > > > I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to > > concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming > > straight back.... > > I did that for years but it didn't help me. No matter how perfect the > backswing, i still screwed up on the downswing. My cure focuses on the > downswing. I can't imagine a nut job like yourself who gets bent out of shape over EVERYTHING playing golf.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:26:14
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Howard9 wrote: > In article <1160633081.370833.128270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > xeton2001@yahoo.com says... > > Finish the swing with your hands on top of your head. Nearly all > > slicers cut across the ball with an outside-in direction at impact > > and their arms continue in that direction and so the hands finish over > > the left shoulder or, as in my case, even outside the left shoulder. > > But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you > > are forced to swing from the inside. > > > I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to > concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming > straight back.... I did that for years but it didn't help me. No matter how perfect the backswing, i still screwed up on the downswing. My cure focuses on the downswing.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 01:31:40
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1160666774.767288.28050@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >> I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to >> concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming >> straight back.... > > I did that for years but it didn't help me. No matter how perfect the > backswing, i still screwed up on the downswing. My cure focuses on the > downswing. You probably didn't have any issues in the backswing. A bad transition to the downswing can cause a out-to-in clubpath just as surely as a fault in the backswing. Not to mention the fact that many slicers have a very nice straight clubhead path. They just don't square the clubhead at impact. What sucks for me: I have a fault in my backswing _and_ I often start the downswing with my upper body. The only saving grace is I have no problems bringing the clubface back closed, and so I have a straight pull. I've been messing around with video analysis the last several days, and I've gotten to the point that I can predict almost 100% which of my shots will be a pull and which will stay on target before my left arm gets anywhere near 9 o'clock. The predictor is a clubhead that goes significantly below a line drawn through the club at address when viewed down the line. I feel like my swing is too flat, but it's just the opposite. The few times that I incorrectly predict a straight shot because I'm on plane coming back, I start with a shoulder turn before anything else starts back towards the target (in one case my arms were still trying to go back when the shoulder began to turn towards the target!). Scott
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:01:40
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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In article <1160633081.370833.128270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >, xeton2001@yahoo.com says... > Finish the swing with your hands on top of your head. Nearly all > slicers cut across the ball with an outside-in direction at impact > and their arms continue in that direction and so the hands finish over > the left shoulder or, as in my case, even outside the left shoulder. > But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you > are forced to swing from the inside. > I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming straight back....for their shoulder instead of their head. This would start the swing in a better plane from the very start. Then continue to follow your discovery. -- Howard
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:37:02
From: warren montgomery
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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>> Finish the swing with your hands on top of your head. Nearly all >> slicers cut across the ball with an outside-in direction at impact >> and their arms continue in that direction and so the hands finish over >> the left shoulder or, as in my case, even outside the left shoulder. >> But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you >> are forced to swing from the inside. >> > I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to > concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming > straight back....for their shoulder instead of their head. This would > start the swing in a better plane from the very start. Then continue to > follow your discovery. > There are as many ways to slice the ball as their are golfers, and as many ways to fix it, maybe more. Unfortunately there is no cure, just treatment. Half the time I think that the results people get from those "slice cures" come more from the fact that they are actually paying attention to the swing than the specifics of what they are trying to do. I think the problem is that the natural way for a human being to swing a club is like an axe -- over the head and straight down in front of you. An unconscious golf swing tends to revert towards that and produce a huge slice. One of the more revealing moments I had on the course was playing with a low handicapper I had not played with before in a charity event. His swing looked like his arms and the club were made of rope and his shoulders were just rotating around and whipping the clubhead through the ball. He hit every one solid and straight that way. I realized that my attempts to force the clubhead through the ball were triggering that "woodchopping" muscle pattern, and for a while I hit it a lot better -- until I stopped thinking. I've also had thoughts of curing the slice by how I took the club back, how I positioned the wrists through the swing, how I finished, how I addressed the ball, How I gripped it, Where I aimed, and many more. All worked -- for a while. I'm convinced that the specifics of each of these miracle cures were not what fixed it, rather that by focussing on doing something, I broke the "woodchopper reflex" long enough to make a solid swing. -- Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net) http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 19:08:22
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Scott, things will get very easy if you can use your right forearm throughout the swing......TRUST ME: there is magic in that right forearm. >From address just use your right forearm to take the club to the top. Let everything else just go along for the ride. Ideally the right wrist will only bend, and stay bent. The left wrist must remain flat until the end of follow through. If you really use only your right forearm to move and lift your entire left arm and club (while keeping your righ leg anchored to the ground), stop at the top. Your left arm should be straight, and the right should have bent....kinda like a bicept curl. This should feel very tight and short. Arms in front of the body. Give it a try. If you start to allow the right forearm to move everything to the top then you have created a three dimensional backswing. This is required for a three dimensional impact: down, out and forward. By the way....no effort should be made to move the club forward, it goes forward as a result of the down and out. S McFarlane wrote: > "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1160666774.767288.28050@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > >> I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to > >> concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming > >> straight back.... > > > > I did that for years but it didn't help me. No matter how perfect the > > backswing, i still screwed up on the downswing. My cure focuses on the > > downswing. > > You probably didn't have any issues in the backswing. A bad transition to > the downswing can cause a out-to-in clubpath just as surely as a fault in > the backswing. Not to mention the fact that many slicers have a very nice > straight clubhead path. They just don't square the clubhead at impact. > What sucks for me: I have a fault in my backswing _and_ I often start the > downswing with my upper body. The only saving grace is I have no problems > bringing the clubface back closed, and so I have a straight pull. > > I've been messing around with video analysis the last several days, and I've > gotten to the point that I can predict almost 100% which of my shots will be > a pull and which will stay on target before my left arm gets anywhere near 9 > o'clock. The predictor is a clubhead that goes significantly below a line > drawn through the club at address when viewed down the line. I feel like my > swing is too flat, but it's just the opposite. The few times that I > incorrectly predict a straight shot because I'm on plane coming back, I > start with a shoulder turn before anything else starts back towards the > target (in one case my arms were still trying to go back when the shoulder > began to turn towards the target!). > > Scott
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 02:47:23
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1160705302.907192.199920@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Scott, things will get very easy if you can use your right forearm > throughout the swing......TRUST ME: there is magic in that right > forearm. > >>From address just use your right forearm to take the club to the top. > Let everything else just go along for the ride. Ideally the right > wrist will only bend, and stay bent. The left wrist must remain flat > until the end of follow through. > > If you really use only your right forearm to move and lift your > entire left arm and club (while keeping your righ leg anchored to the > ground), stop at the top. Your left arm should be straight, and the > right should have bent....kinda like a bicept curl. This should feel > very tight and short. Arms in front of the body. > > Give it a try. If you start to allow the right forearm to move > everything to the top then you have created a three dimensional > backswing. This is required for a three dimensional impact: down, out > and forward. By the way....no effort should be made to move the club > forward, it goes forward as a result of the down and out. > Thanks KnighT, I'll give that a try. The video is a great help, because I can see when I do it right. At this point, I'm fishing around for the feel of doing it right so I can groove that. Your suggestion might help getting there, and the video will tell me straight away. Scott
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 17:51:53
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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These are the two valid methods used to move a golf club. Your friend is using the rope handle technique which is a swingers pattern. Swingers rely on centripetal force to power the golf club through the ball. Your tendancy is know as the axe handle technique which is known as hitting. Hitters use muscular thrust to power the club. Arnold Palmer and Lee Travino are classic hitters, while Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods are great swingers. I think proper mechanics used to build a sound golf swing is a better approach at improving your swing than trying to patch up and 'cure' undesirable ball flight. warren montgomery wrote: > There are as many ways to slice the ball as their are golfers, and as many > ways to fix it, maybe more. Unfortunately there is no cure, just treatment. > Half the time I think that the results people get from those "slice cures" > come more from the fact that they are actually paying attention to the swing > than the specifics of what they are trying to do. I think the problem is > that the natural way for a human being to swing a club is like an axe -- > over the head and straight down in front of you. An unconscious golf swing > tends to revert towards that and produce a huge slice. One of the more > revealing moments I had on the course was playing with a low handicapper I > had not played with before in a charity event. His swing looked like his > arms and the club were made of rope and his shoulders were just rotating > around and whipping the clubhead through the ball. He hit every one solid > and straight that way. I realized that my attempts to force the clubhead > through the ball were triggering that "woodchopping" muscle pattern, and for > a while I hit it a lot better -- until I stopped thinking. I've also had > thoughts of curing the slice by how I took the club back, how I positioned > the wrists through the swing, how I finished, how I addressed the ball, How > I gripped it, Where I aimed, and many more. All worked -- for a while. I'm > convinced that the specifics of each of these miracle cures were not what > fixed it, rather that by focussing on doing something, I broke the > "woodchopper reflex" long enough to make a solid swing. > > -- > Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net) > http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 17:42:30
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Yes, slicing is usually due to coming 'over the top' which results in a steep out to in inpact zone. I'm not sure about finishing with the hands on top of the head. Do you mean higher than the head, or actually vertically above your head ? I think the finish is one of the most neglected parts of the golf swing. I can tell you something that probably will help. Make sure you go to a follow through with BOTH arms straight. In order to 'bridge the gap' from this powerful position to the finish you must allow your left forearm to rotate, or swivel in a somewhat clockwise direction. This is called the finish swivel. Any swing that goes past follow through requires a finish swivel. If you really want a sound golf swing then all you need to understand is that the basic golf stroke is composed of hinge action of an angular motion operating on an inclined plane. Recognize that fact, then apply it to the motion that you create to move a golf club. Some things are just easier said than done, that certainly is one. > >> Finish the swing with your hands on top of your head. Nearly all > >> slicers cut across the ball with an outside-in direction at impact > >> and their arms continue in that direction and so the hands finish over > >> the left shoulder or, as in my case, even outside the left shoulder. > >> But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you > >> are forced to swing from the inside. > >> > > I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to > > concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming > > straight back....for their shoulder instead of their head. This would > > start the swing in a better plane from the very start. Then continue to > > follow your discovery. > >
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 15:49:06
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Larry Bud wrote: > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > > Larry Bud wrote: > > > > > > I can't imagine a nut job like yourself who gets bent out of shape over > > > EVERYTHING playing golf. > > > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA > > It's only name calling when it's inaccurate. Otherwise it's the truth. You stole that line from me. You are such a loser. Anyway - my slice cure works and that's what's important. I was just practicing it a few hours ago in fact.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 10:54:44
From: John Reddy
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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In article <1160693346.585119.253780@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote: > You stole that line from me. You are such a loser. Anyway - my slice > cure works and that's what's important. I was just practicing it a few > hours ago in fact. The only slice cure most of us would like to see from you would be you running a blade across your carotid arteries. That would cure you good. As an added benefit, you would never again have to worry and rant about drunk drivers, drug users, felons, Jews, GWB and all of those other pesky folks who offend you so badly.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 11:37:58
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > Larry Bud wrote: > > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > > > Howard9 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad you sorted it :-) but it would be simpler for slicers to > > > > concentrate more on the take away and get that straightened, aiming > > > > straight back.... > > > > > > I did that for years but it didn't help me. No matter how perfect the > > > backswing, i still screwed up on the downswing. My cure focuses on the > > > downswing. > > > > I can't imagine a nut job like yourself who gets bent out of shape over > > EVERYTHING playing golf. > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA It's only name calling when it's inaccurate. Otherwise it's the truth.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 09:59:42
From: Noons
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > Finish the swing with your hands on top of your head. that works really well when your head doesn't finish aimed at the left of the hole... > But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you > are forced to swing from the inside. Actually: it's probably easier to fix it in the takeaway than the follow-up. Given that it's darn hard to hit the ball straight during the latter... Yes, I know what you mean. Just pulling the pedal appendage....
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:18:30
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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I thought you "super-double plonked" me. On 12, 11:28 pm, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2...@yahoo.com > wrote: > dugjustdug wrote: > > On 12, 8:47 am, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" > > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > > > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA > > > Yet just 6 short minutes later, you refer to another poster in one of > > your rant threads as (Gosh! I hope I get this right...) a "whiney-butt > > shack of sh!t".Oh i see. I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Only almighties like you > get to have an opinion. GEDDOUDAHERE!!!!!!!!!
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:10:14
From: Draco
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > dugjustdug wrote: > > On 12, 8:47 am, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" > > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > > > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA > > > > Yet just 6 short minutes later, you refer to another poster in one of > > your rant threads as (Gosh! I hope I get this right...) a "whiney-butt > > shack of sh!t". > > Oh i see. I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Only almighties like you > get to have an opinion. GEDDOUDAHERE!!!!!!!!! As one who is not part of the "almighties" you are allowed to have an opinion. I'm just tired of hearing it and the way you proclaim your opinion. Rough language is only a sign of an incomplete thought proceses. You can rant all you want. You can say what you want. Doesn't mean anyone will listen to you or take you with any veracity. Curing a slice is part mechanical and part mental. I have cured mine by being aware of where my right arm is and then not thinking about it. It seems when I think about the swing I goof more. But then that is just me. Everyone needs to find their swing and stop worrying and enjoy the game. It ain't like we wont eat this week if we don't drop the three foot put to make birdie. We aren't making a living at golf. We all are suppose to be having fun. Draco Getting even isn't good enough.
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:31:41
From: larry
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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On 13 2006 08:10:14 -0700, "Draco" <JPDFDA@HOTMAIL.COM > wrote: > >Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: >> dugjustdug wrote: >> > On 12, 8:47 am, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" >> > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No >> > > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA >> > >> > Yet just 6 short minutes later, you refer to another poster in one of >> > your rant threads as (Gosh! I hope I get this right...) a "whiney-butt >> > shack of sh!t". >> >> Oh i see. I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Only almighties like you >> get to have an opinion. GEDDOUDAHERE!!!!!!!!! > > >As one who is not part of the "almighties" you are >allowed to have an opinion. I'm just tired of hearing >it and the way you proclaim your opinion. Rough >language is only a sign of an incomplete thought >proceses. You can rant all you want. You can >say what you want. Doesn't mean anyone will >listen to you or take you with any veracity. > >Curing a slice is part mechanical and part mental. >I have cured mine by being aware of where my >right arm is and then not thinking about it. It seems >when I think about the swing I goof more. But then >that is just me. Everyone needs to find their swing >and stop worrying and enjoy the game. It ain't like >we wont eat this week if we don't drop the three >foot put to make birdie. We aren't making a >living at golf. We all are suppose to be having fun. > > >Draco http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline/instruction/privatelessons/faults/0,,87_2_hh,00.html Just one of a zillion available articles on this subject. Larry
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 17:22:19
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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larry wrote: > > http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline/instruction/privatelessons/faults/0,,87_2_hh,00.html > > Just one of a zillion available articles on this subject. > > Larry You should read that article ... you might learn something. You'll notice not one word re: weight shift or transition which you claim is the way to cure a slice. Also says the main contributor is "an open clubface", not the swing path as you claim. And, the way to square the clubface is with "proper hand action". Rob
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 05:15:45
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > Larry Bud wrote: > > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > > > Larry Bud wrote: > > > > > > > > > I can't imagine a nut job like yourself who gets bent out of shape over > > > > EVERYTHING playing golf. > > > > > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > > > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA > > > > It's only name calling when it's inaccurate. Otherwise it's the truth. > > You stole that line from me. Believe me, nothing you've ever said has stuck in my mind.
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 23:28:20
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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dugjustdug wrote: > On 12, 8:47 am, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > HAHAHA. More childish namecalling i see. That's all you ever have. No > > wonder you can't get a girl. HAHAHA > > Yet just 6 short minutes later, you refer to another poster in one of > your rant threads as (Gosh! I hope I get this right...) a "whiney-butt > shack of sh!t". Oh i see. I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Only almighties like you get to have an opinion. GEDDOUDAHERE!!!!!!!!!
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 20:56:48
From: Noons
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > That doesn't work for me. I can make a perfect takeaway and still cut > across the ball at impact. I've been doing this hands-on-head finish > for several days and i seldom slice now though i have a tendency to > hit shots thin. Hey, I'm blocking them now to the left, so there...
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Date: 13 Oct 2006 19:42:53
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: I did it - Discovered the cure for slicing
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Noons wrote: > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: > > > > But if you train yourself to finish with the hands above your head, you > > are forced to swing from the inside. > > > Actually: it's probably easier to fix > it in the takeaway than the follow-up. > Given that it's darn hard to hit the ball > straight during the latter... That doesn't work for me. I can make a perfect takeaway and still cut across the ball at impact. I've been doing this hands-on-head finish for several days and i seldom slice now though i have a tendency to hit shots thin.
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