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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:27:41
From: Cal Golfer
Subject: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
broken?
I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
the all shafts were an exact match...
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 01:31:11
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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"Cal Golfer" <Bill_VP@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
> or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
> the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
> the all shafts were an exact match...
Yeah after hearing Chris's schpiel, I think I'm with him. Apex shafts were
not bad, but modern technology marches on. I don't really think it reflects
badly on Hogan to say modern Dynamic Golds (or whatever) are better.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 15:47:25
From: Cal Golfer
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Thanks for the info...for some reason I have never been a huge fan of
Hogan clubs, even though I loved forged irons. Sort of a Mizuno man.
But this set sort of fell into my lap. I was under the impression that
the Apex shafts were something special, but now you are telling me they
may not have followed the same specs from model to model...I had heard
that in the 90s, the great Hogan commitment to quality had dropped a
notch or two, but I hoped that by the time the Apex Edge Pros were made
(2002?), that they had made a comeback under Spalding...
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Cal Golfer <Bill_VP@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : What makes you say that? I mean, did you shoot in the 100s when you had
> : Apex 4 shafts and then in the 80s when you switched to DGS300 ?
>
> Maybe not that extreme. :)
>
> I found the Apex shafts to be pretty unforgiving with a
> dead feel. The S300s, precisely the opposite. As always,
> YMMV, but I've seen a lot of similar opinions expressed
> about these shafts elsewhere... I don't think I'm the
> only one.
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 23:19:57
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Alright, fine, I'll top post back at ya! :-p
I think the Hogan irons with the DG's are tremendous clubs,
great feel and workability. Mine are Apex Plus from 2001, just
before they cancelled that product name, with the DG's installed
at the factory. I flat-out love them.
I think the problem with the Apex line of shafts is that
somewhere along the way, they quit doing R&D on them, so
it's a bit like playing a modern clubhead with a 30 y/o
shaft. That's purely a "this is how it seems" sentiment,
though, not definitive or necessarily accurate.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
Cal Golfer <Bill_VP@yahoo.com > wrote:
: Thanks for the info...for some reason I have never been a huge fan of
: Hogan clubs, even though I loved forged irons. Sort of a Mizuno man.
: But this set sort of fell into my lap. I was under the impression that
: the Apex shafts were something special, but now you are telling me they
: may not have followed the same specs from model to model...I had heard
: that in the 90s, the great Hogan commitment to quality had dropped a
: notch or two, but I hoped that by the time the Apex Edge Pros were made
: (2002?), that they had made a comeback under Spalding...
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Cal Golfer <Bill_VP@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > : What makes you say that? I mean, did you shoot in the 100s when you had
: > : Apex 4 shafts and then in the 80s when you switched to DGS300 ?
: >
: > Maybe not that extreme. :)
: >
: > I found the Apex shafts to be pretty unforgiving with a
: > dead feel. The S300s, precisely the opposite. As always,
: > YMMV, but I've seen a lot of similar opinions expressed
: > about these shafts elsewhere... I don't think I'm the
: > only one.
: >
: > --
: > Chris Bellomy
: > C-List Charter Member
: > http://clist.org/
:
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 17:14:15
From: RB
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Cal Golfer wrote:
> I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
> shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
> with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
The original shaft for that iron was probably a cheaper model (perhaps
FCM?) made by Royal Precision, now out of business. Some Apex Edge
irons had TT Dynalite Gold shafts.
>
> I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
> couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
> trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
> if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
> it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
> broken?
No, because those shafts were/are discrete flex taper-tip shafts. You
need an "8-iron" taper tip replacement shaft. The OEM shafts may be
constant weight, so take that into consideration.
>
> I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
> or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
> the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
> the all shafts were an exact match...
Now's the time to do a full reshaft! Get them MOI matched, frequency
matched, spined/flo'ed ... in other words, do it right. Find something
you like that is available in a taper-tip and go for it.
>
--
Ron
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 23:17:43
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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"RB" <probablyfake@madeup.com > wrote in message
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> Cal Golfer wrote:
> > I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
> > shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
> > with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
>
> The original shaft for that iron was probably a cheaper model (perhaps
> FCM?) made by Royal Precision, now out of business. Some Apex Edge
> irons had TT Dynalite Gold shafts.
> >
> > I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
> > couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
> > trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
> > if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
> > it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
> > broken?
>
> No, because those shafts were/are discrete flex taper-tip shafts. You
> need an "8-iron" taper tip replacement shaft. The OEM shafts may be
> constant weight, so take that into consideration.
>
> >
> > I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
> > or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
> > the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
> > the all shafts were an exact match...
>
> Now's the time to do a full reshaft! Get them MOI matched, frequency
> matched, spined/flo'ed ... in other words, do it right. Find something
> you like that is available in a taper-tip and go for it.
>
You don't even have to restrict yourself to taper-tip. I play an older set
of Hogan Apex Channelback irons that I had reshafted with TT TX-90's. This
was more than I wanted to take on, but the clubmaker that did it had no
problem drilling out the hosels to accept non-tapered (like the majority of
shafts out there) shafts.
dave
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 15:03:49
From: Cal Golfer
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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What makes you say that? I mean, did you shoot in the 100s when you had
Apex 4 shafts and then in the 80s when you switched to DGS300 ?
Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Cal Golfer <Bill_VP@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
> : shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
> : with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
> :
> : I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
> : couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
> : trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
> : if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
> : it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
> : broken?
>
> While I understand why you're thinking in this direction, I'd
> consider putting S300's in the rest of the set. The Apex shafts
> are the worst part of those clubs... with S300's, they're really
> very damned nice. (I have S300's in mine.)
>
> Just a thought.
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 22:26:52
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Cal Golfer <Bill_VP@yahoo.com > wrote:
: What makes you say that? I mean, did you shoot in the 100s when you had
: Apex 4 shafts and then in the 80s when you switched to DGS300 ?
Maybe not that extreme. :)
I found the Apex shafts to be pretty unforgiving with a
dead feel. The S300s, precisely the opposite. As always,
YMMV, but I've seen a lot of similar opinions expressed
about these shafts elsewhere... I don't think I'm the
only one.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 21:45:03
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Cal Golfer <Bill_VP@yahoo.com > wrote:
: I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
: shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
: with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
:
: I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
: couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
: trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
: if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
: it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
: broken?
While I understand why you're thinking in this direction, I'd
consider putting S300's in the rest of the set. The Apex shafts
are the worst part of those clubs... with S300's, they're really
very damned nice. (I have S300's in mine.)
Just a thought.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 21:38:52
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Cal Golfer wrote:
> I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
> shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
> with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
>
> I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
> couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
> trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
> if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
> it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
> broken?
>
> I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
> or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
> the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
> the all shafts were an exact match...
>
Apex shafts are apparently TT Dynalite shafts.
cheers
david
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:36:24
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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"david s-a" <dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au > wrote in message
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> Cal Golfer wrote:
>> I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
>> shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
>> with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
>>
>> I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
>> couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
>> trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
>> if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
>> it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
>> broken?
>>
>> I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
>> or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
>> the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
>> the all shafts were an exact match...
>>
>
>
> Apex shafts are apparently TT Dynalite shafts.
According to Hogan both Apex and Edge shafts are manufactured by Royal
Precision.
Scott
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 10:51:39
From: Cal Golfer
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Are you sure of that..I mean, point me to somewhere where someone has
checked the specs on each and determined they are identical...
david s-a wrote:
> Cal Golfer wrote:
> > I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
> > shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
> > with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
> >
> > I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
> > couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
> > trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
> > if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
> > it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
> > broken?
> >
> > I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
> > or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
> > the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
> > the all shafts were an exact match...
> >
>
>
> Apex shafts are apparently TT Dynalite shafts.
>
> cheers
> david
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 14:08:19
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Cal Golfer wrote:
> Are you sure of that..I mean, point me to somewhere where someone has
> checked the specs on each and determined they are identical...
Hearsay only from an experienced clubfitter!
Compare your existing Apex 4 shafts with these...
http://www.truetemper.com/golf/shadow/DYNALITE%20PARALLEL.pdf
If they don't match then we're wrong!
cheers
david
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 14:31:01
From: RB
Subject: Re: Hogan Apex Shafts: Replacing An 8 Iron
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Cal Golfer wrote:
> Are you sure of that..I mean, point me to somewhere where someone has
> checked the specs on each and determined they are identical...
You've been offered several pieces of information that should have
answered your original question. More than one response has indicated
that your Edge Pro shaft is most likely a RP shaft (no longer made) or
possibly a TT Dynalite shaft.
Several clubmaking resources, including the Golfworks and Golfsmith OEM
shaft replacement guides, refer to the Edge Pro "4" shaft as a Royal
Precision FCM .355 (taper tip) in a 5.5 flex.
If you can find a clubmaker or component company that still has one of
those shafts for an 8 iron, then you'll have your match.
--
Ron
> david s-a wrote:
>> Cal Golfer wrote:
>>> I have a used set of Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons with Apex 4 (stiff)
>>> shafts. The previous owner had broken the 8 iron shaft and replaced it
>>> with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
>>>
>>> I am wondering, if I wanted the exact same feel throughout the set,
>>> couldn't I buy a longer Apex shaft and just have my local clubmaker
>>> trim the butt end down to match the length of the 8 iron? For instance,
>>> if I purchased a used Apex 2 iron with the same Apex 4 shaft, couldn't
>>> it be trimmed down to exactly match the 8 iron shaft that had been
>>> broken?
>>>
>>> I am concerned that although I can't tell a large difference in weight
>>> or anything when hitting the 8 iron now, over time that might not be
>>> the case. Or if I ever wanted to sell this set I would get more $ if
>>> the all shafts were an exact match...
>>>
>>
>> Apex shafts are apparently TT Dynalite shafts.
>>
>> cheers
>> david
>
--
Ron
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