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Date: 08 Nov 2006 18:26:36
From: \R&B\
Subject: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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You and your neocon friends told us...
* We would find WMDs in Iraq
* America would be greeted as liberators in Iraq, with flowers thrown at our
troops
* That the mission was accomplished (two years ago)
* That we were seeing the final stages of the insurgency in Iraq over a year
ago
* That the war in Iraq would spread freedom and democracy throughout the
Middle East, making the region much more friendly toward America
* That America doesn't torture anyone
* That by spreading democracy in Iraq, America (and presumably, Americans
everywhere) would be safer
* That we could wipe out terrorism by fighting them "over there" (ignoring
the fact that by doing so we were serving as the most effective recruitment
tool for terrorist organizations to date, thereby making our children and
grandchildren less safe)
* That Iraqi oil would pay for the war in Iraq
* That the Bush Administration would and should "stay the course" in Iraq
* That Rumsfeld was doing a fabulous job
* That the Republicans would hold their majority in both the House and
Senate in the '06 elections, as voters across America strongly reject the
Democrats' attempts at siezing control of either body, let alone the wild
notion that they might capture BOTH.
Make me a deal, Nostradamus...
You stop making predictions (because you and your neocon friends haven't
gotten a single one right yet) and I'll stop making fun of your kockamamie
golf swing theories.
Fair exchange?
Randy
"Now look who's out of touch with mainstream America."
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 19:35:46
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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larry wrote:
>> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
>
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
>
Start by writing one to your buddy, Duke Cunningham.
Maybe he can buy a new toothbrush or a pillow for his cell.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 04:01:14
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
:
: larry wrote:
: >> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
: > correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
: > Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
: >
: > I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
: >
:
: Start by writing one to your buddy, Duke Cunningham.
: Maybe he can buy a new toothbrush or a pillow for his cell.
I wonder how BIG his checks have been so far. There's a $2000
limit per campaign, so if the checks have been bigger than that,
he's got a BIT of a problem.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 18:50:07
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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larry wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:26:36 -0500, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> your kockamamie
>
> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
If this prediction proves as accurate as your previous ones, then the
Dems have nothing to worry about for a long, long time.
>
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
>
> And I and others are prepared to boycott products to shut down the
> liberal media that made this election result possible-- people
> actually said they voted democrat because "the economy is bad." They
> voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot writing
> notes to congressional pages. The only possible conclusion is that
> the liberal media purposefully brainwashed them...
You're going to shut down the media? Then where will you go for your
daily Jumble game?
>
> Larry
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 16:37:42
From: larry
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:26:36 -0500, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
your kockamamie
Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
And I and others are prepared to boycott products to shut down the
liberal media that made this election result possible-- people
actually said they voted democrat because "the economy is bad." They
voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot writing
notes to congressional pages. The only possible conclusion is that
the liberal media purposefully brainwashed them...
Larry
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 21:31:27
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:eot4l2pqaekmdae0qmfskgs8eqtvmq6bvp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:26:36 -0500, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> your kockamamie
>
> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
>
You are unable to learn from your mistakes & the mistakes of others -- just
like the Twig!
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
>
that will bounce.
> And I and others are prepared to boycott products to shut down the
> liberal media that made this election result possible-- people
> actually said they voted democrat because "the economy is bad." They
> voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot writing
> notes to congressional pages. The only possible conclusion is that
> the liberal media purposefully brainwashed them...
>
> Larry
I doubt anyone is quaking from your threat.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 01:28:31
From: JJK
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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"R&B"" wrote:
> your kockamamie
"larry" wrote:
> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
>
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
<snipped even more nonsense >
So, you're going to double your contributions from $10 to $20? That should
make a huge difference (perhaps in your lifestyle).
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 20:11:22
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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In article <eot4l2pqaekmdae0qmfskgs8eqtvmq6bvp@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:26:36 -0500, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> your kockamamie
>
> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
>
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
>
> And I and others are prepared to boycott products to shut down the
> liberal media that made this election result possible-- people
> actually said they voted democrat because "the economy is bad." They
> voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot writing
> notes to congressional pages. The only possible conclusion is that
> the liberal media purposefully brainwashed them...
>
> Larry
God help us, Larry, and you accuse the liberals of being whiny bad
losers.
You are truly pathetic.
William Clark
PS: Better get ready for that challenge golf match :-)
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 16:02:24
From: the Moderator
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-71537A.20112208112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>
> God help us, Larry, and you accuse the liberals of being whiny bad
> losers.
>
> You are truly pathetic.
>
> William Clark
What happened to the election fraud? During the day of the election there
were several reports of problems at the polls on CBS, CNN, ABC and NBC. As
the election results came in, nothing else was mentioned about voter fraud.
Now I don't spend a lot of time watching the news on these channels, but I
have visited them all since the election and no voter fraud has been
mentioned that I can find. If you Google election fraud 2006 you get zip.
If you Google election fraud 2004 you get a dumpster full of hits.
Biased news reporting? False reports on national networks? Of course. A
conservative estimate of the cost in votes caused by media bias is well
above the margin of victory in many races.
Signed,
A whiny conservative
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 23:15:20
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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In article <GMCdnc1_cMzvOM7YnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@centurytel.net >,
"the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com > wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-71537A.20112208112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > God help us, Larry, and you accuse the liberals of being whiny bad
> > losers.
> >
> > You are truly pathetic.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> What happened to the election fraud? During the day of the election there
> were several reports of problems at the polls on CBS, CNN, ABC and NBC. As
> the election results came in, nothing else was mentioned about voter fraud.
>
> Now I don't spend a lot of time watching the news on these channels, but I
> have visited them all since the election and no voter fraud has been
> mentioned that I can find. If you Google election fraud 2006 you get zip.
> If you Google election fraud 2004 you get a dumpster full of hits.
>
> Biased news reporting? False reports on national networks? Of course. A
> conservative estimate of the cost in votes caused by media bias is well
> above the margin of victory in many races.
>
> Signed,
>
> A whiny conservative
Oh, and all those stories about polling stations not being open, voting
machines malfunctioning, voting machine records being overlooked,etc?
Just liberal media bias, I suppose. In the words of your immortal hero
"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . er. . .er . . won't get
fooled again".
Do you seriously think that even Karl Rove wold get away with any high
jinks for a second time?
William Clark
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 07:32:33
From: the Moderator
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-BA6873.23152009112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>
> Oh, and all those stories about polling stations not being open, voting
> machines malfunctioning, voting machine records being overlooked,etc?
> Just liberal media bias, I suppose. In the words of your immortal hero
> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . er. . .er . . won't get
> fooled again".
>
> Do you seriously think that even Karl Rove wold get away with any high
> jinks for a second time?
>
> William Clark
So where is the reporting of these issues?
They aren't being reported, because they were fabrications and exaggerations
to begin with.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:48:06
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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In article <wsSdnfm4b_Js7sXYnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@centurytel.net >,
"the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com > wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-BA6873.23152009112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > Oh, and all those stories about polling stations not being open, voting
> > machines malfunctioning, voting machine records being overlooked,etc?
> > Just liberal media bias, I suppose. In the words of your immortal hero
> > "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . er. . .er . . won't get
> > fooled again".
> >
> > Do you seriously think that even Karl Rove wold get away with any high
> > jinks for a second time?
> >
> > William Clark
>
> So where is the reporting of these issues?
>
> They aren't being reported, because they were fabrications and exaggerations
> to begin with.
Check Wednesday's local papers in Ohio, and the TV news reports for
Tuesday.
I'm sure you can find them.
William Clark
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:31:32
From: the Moderator
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-B80FB8.10480613112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <wsSdnfm4b_Js7sXYnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
> "the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote:
> >
> > So where is the reporting of these issues?
> >
> > They aren't being reported, because they were fabrications and
exaggerations
> > to begin with.
>
> Check Wednesday's local papers in Ohio, and the TV news reports for
> Tuesday.
>
> I'm sure you can find them.
>
> William Clark
I checked. They are not there.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 13:26:29
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-BA6873.23152009112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>>
>> Oh, and all those stories about polling stations not being open, voting
>> machines malfunctioning, voting machine records being overlooked,etc?
>> Just liberal media bias, I suppose. In the words of your immortal hero
>> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . er. . .er . . won't get
>> fooled again".
>>
>> Do you seriously think that even Karl Rove wold get away with any high
>> jinks for a second time?
>>
>> William Clark
>
From: Karl
To: Minions
Subject: Congratulations on a job well done
It was close for a while, but we pulled it off. I know that some of you
were not happy with the decision to throw the election, but the Inner Circle
is firmly convinced that this is the only way to ensure our long range plan
of providing the country with a single political party system. With the
problems facing us domestically and internationally, had we continued in
full control for the next two years - we may have put the cause back 10
years. Now we can blame the Democrats for everything in the next cycle and
buy another 4-6 years to complete our plans.
Kerry's last minute stupidity did require us to have Diebold fix a couple
races. As you know, we want to limit our use of this secret weapon to real
emergencies. In this case, the other side will not look too closely at
things - and of course we won't look at all.
We have a number of loyal people who knowingly (and in some cases
unknowingly) took a bullet for the team and I expect those of you on the
corporate side to make sure they are well taken care of in retirement. Two
lists will be made available to you detailing who needs to be taken care of
(and how well), and who (like that harpy Katherine Harris) were just cannon
fodder and need no compensation.
Lastly, give it up for the Big Guy. Many of you think he's dumb as a bag or
rocks, and doubted that he could pull free from Dick and Don to pull this
off - but the results speak for themselves. No matter how the next two
years go, I think he deserves the contract bonus of ownership of the Dallas
Cowboys.
Now, enjoy your vacations - the tickets and spending money are enclosed with
this memo. We'll meet again in January to work on the details for 2008.
Thanks again for all your hard work.
Karl
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 01:10:21
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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In article <eot4l2pqaekmdae0qmfskgs8eqtvmq6bvp@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:26:36 -0500, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> your kockamamie
>
> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
>
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
Please. I doubt you've got the mortgage paid off on your little house.
The guys who can write "big" enough cheques to make that sort of thing
happen aren't listed as the sole contact of their company...
>
> And I and others are prepared to boycott products to shut down the
> liberal media that made this election result possible-- people
> actually said they voted democrat because "the economy is bad." They
> voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot writing
> notes to congressional pages. The only possible conclusion is that
> the liberal media purposefully brainwashed them...
>
> Larry
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 00:57:58
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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In article <eot4l2pqaekmdae0qmfskgs8eqtvmq6bvp@4ax.com >
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
To borrow a phrase from the repugs, "what's wrong loser. You're whining."
Nice to see it's eating at you lar. Oh, didn't you see. Big spending
didn't make a damn bit of difference. IT WAS YOUR POOR CHOICE OF
LEADERS!!!! Just like a repug. Think they can spend their way out of any
problem. Oh, how did that "4 more years" thing work for ya?
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 10:41:12
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote >
> your kockamamie
>
> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
Based on your track record of making predictions, none of which happened, I
would really encourage you to consider stop trying to present yourself as a
fortune-teller. You suck at it.
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
Uh...LLLarry, I think writing big checks is what got Republicans in trouble
with other Republicans. You guys really need to learn a little financial
restraint.
> And I and others are prepared to boycott products to shut down the
> liberal media that made this election result possible--
Something I've already been doing for two years.
> people actually said they voted democrat because
> "the economy is bad."
Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because they're
not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy. The only
people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income. Most
everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few years ago.
> They voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot
> writing notes to congressional pages.
Okay, so now we know you're a homophobe. Very nice, LLLLarry. What's next?
Care to vent your frustrations over black voters voting (once again)
primarily Democratic? Are we going to hear your racism spill out next?
> The only possible conclusion is that the liberal media
> purposefully brainwashed them...
Just like a Republican. Instead of facing the issue itself, blame the
messenger.
Get back to us when you learn the meaning of the word "accountability."
Until then, get off your high horse. You should know by now that if you
want to be the party of "values," you need to actually live by them, not
just make them a wedge issue and hide your own behavior behind closed doors.
Oh, and stop blaming the messenger and start looking at the man in the
mirror.
Randy
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:39:46
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because
> they're not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy. The
> only people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income.
> Most everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few years
> ago.
>
What a crock of shit.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:43:03
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:39:46 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>news:Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because
>> they're not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy. The
>> only people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income.
>> Most everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few years
>> ago.
>>
>What a crock of shit.
>
What about the above do you not believe? He's absolutely correct
Mike.
___,
\o
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 12:02:49
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:v3q6l2p31lh2bu7rfhvq0eo20gs15kh271@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:39:46 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because
>>> they're not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy.
>>> The
>>> only people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income.
>>> Most everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few years
>>> ago.
>>>
>>What a crock of shit.
>>
> What about the above do you not believe? He's absolutely correct
> Mike.
Seeing that I'm no where near in the top 10% and doing very well he is NOT
absolutely correct. He's a typical Robin Hood economist. Oh, and a moonbat.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:23:04
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat
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In article <4rh7u4FrgtpbU1@mid.individual.net >,
"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-3EB7E1.22070408112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Chris Bellomy wrote:
> >> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
> >> >
> >> > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
> >> > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
> >> >
> >> > There, now you've seen it.
> >>
> >> Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
> >> You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
> >> it. That's what a Communist society does.
> >>
> >> Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you know
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
> >>
> >> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
> >> think you can get it done.
> >> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
> >> 2007....don't forget.
> >>
> >> Tex
> >
> > See, Chris there's just no point. One the one hand he slams you for what
> > he THINKS you believe, and when you tell him is isn't so, he slams you
> > as a liar. You simply cannot win when dealing with bigots.
> >
> So just what did Tex say in that post that makes him a bigot?
'bigot' - obstinate and intolerant adherent of a creed or view (Oxford
English Dictionary.
Next question?
William Clark
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:45:37
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Maybe I'll register as a democrat
|
"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-2C0007.15230409112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <4rh7u4FrgtpbU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:clark.31-3EB7E1.22070408112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
>> > In article <1163038644.387359.215720@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> >> > Tex <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > : I never saw/heard one Democrat yelling to cut spending...
>> >> >
>> >> > We spend ten times as much on defense as China, our nearest
>> >> > competitor. I think we should cut defense spending by 80%.
>> >> >
>> >> > There, now you've seen it.
>> >>
>> >> Thankfully your wild ass dreams are just that.
>> >> You don't know what China spends because they don't have to disclose
>> >> it. That's what a Communist society does.
>> >>
>> >> Even cutting $300B a year isn't going to solve anything CB and you
>> >> know
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> Even raising taxes $300B a year isn't going to fix it and you know it.
>> >>
>> >> But, your "boys" are in charge now...so we'll see just how well you
>> >> think you can get it done.
>> >> Remember, when the shit hits the fan, your "boys" are in charge in
>> >> 2007....don't forget.
>> >>
>> >> Tex
>> >
>> > See, Chris there's just no point. One the one hand he slams you for
>> > what
>> > he THINKS you believe, and when you tell him is isn't so, he slams you
>> > as a liar. You simply cannot win when dealing with bigots.
>> >
>> So just what did Tex say in that post that makes him a bigot?
>
> 'bigot' - obstinate and intolerant adherent of a creed or view (Oxford
> English Dictionary.
>
> Next question?
Translation: anyone who disagrees with Billy "four name" Clark is a bigot.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 16:26:08
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:v3q6l2p31lh2bu7rfhvq0eo20gs15kh271@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:39:46 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because
>>> they're not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy.
>>> The
>>> only people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income.
>>> Most everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few years
>>> ago.
>>>
>>What a crock of shit.
>>
> What about the above do you not believe? He's absolutely correct
> Mike.
The facts have never been something these conservative nut jobs ever care to
consider.
Randy
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 16:29:18
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
news:A-ednZBNI45OAc7YnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> news:v3q6l2p31lh2bu7rfhvq0eo20gs15kh271@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:39:46 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because
>>>> they're not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy.
>>>> The
>>>> only people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income.
>>>> Most everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few
>>>> years
>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>What a crock of shit.
>>>
>> What about the above do you not believe? He's absolutely correct
>> Mike.
>
> The facts have never been something these conservative nut jobs ever care
> to consider.
>
Let us know if you ever come up with any real facts.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:34:11
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com >,
"\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:
. . .snip, snip . .
> > writing notes to congressional pages.
>
>
> Okay, so now we know you're a homophobe. Very nice, LLLLarry. What's next?
> Care to vent your frustrations over black voters voting (once again)
> primarily Democratic? Are we going to hear your racism spill out next?
>
>
> > The only possible conclusion is that the liberal media
> > purposefully brainwashed them...
>
>
> Just like a Republican. Instead of facing the issue itself, blame the
> messenger.
>
> Get back to us when you learn the meaning of the word "accountability."
Gosh, Randy, he still hasn't learnt the difference between
"purposefully" and "purposely". Don't you think that "accountability" is
a few classes beyond his present level?
William Clark
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 16:26:36
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-ECF6DD.15341109112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "\"R&B\"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> . . .snip, snip . .
>
>> > writing notes to congressional pages.
>>
>>
>> Okay, so now we know you're a homophobe. Very nice, LLLLarry. What's
>> next?
>> Care to vent your frustrations over black voters voting (once again)
>> primarily Democratic? Are we going to hear your racism spill out next?
>>
>>
>> > The only possible conclusion is that the liberal media
>> > purposefully brainwashed them...
>>
>>
>> Just like a Republican. Instead of facing the issue itself, blame the
>> messenger.
>>
>> Get back to us when you learn the meaning of the word "accountability."
>
> Gosh, Randy, he still hasn't learnt the difference between
> "purposefully" and "purposely". Don't you think that "accountability" is
> a few classes beyond his present level?
Point well taken.
Randy
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 11:32:12
From: R.J.
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
They voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot writing
> notes to congressional pages. The only possible conclusion is that
> the liberal media purposefully brainwashed them...
>
> Larry
faggot? drag any "queers" down the highway from the back of your pick-up
truck lately?
The liberal media you are pouting over had a boner for Foley for sure.
Because sex sells baby. But if this lefty media you cry about really did
their job they would have reported more on the rest of the corruption you
seem to forget about.
http://www.beyonddelay.org/
wow...look at all the R's.
RJ
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:31:22
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <eot4l2pqaekmdae0qmfskgs8eqtvmq6bvp@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:26:36 -0500, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> your kockamamie
>
> Actually it is spelled "cockamamie" and there will be a landslide
> correction in 2008-- this travesty will backfire big time into a
> Republican President, House and Senate with massive majorities.
>
> I am already prepared to write BIG checks to make it happen.
>
> And I and others are prepared to boycott products to shut down the
> liberal media that made this election result possible-- people
> actually said they voted democrat because "the economy is bad." They
> voted because "republicans are corrupt" thanks to one faggot writing
> notes to congressional pages. The only possible conclusion is that
> the liberal media purposefully brainwashed them...
>
> Larry
Excuse me? "One faggot"? How about Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney,
the whole Abramoff deal, and in Ohio Bob Taft and his golf trips, Tom
Noe, and on and on.
Rather more than "one faggot".
William Clark
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 18:46:33
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"R&B" wrote:
> * We would find WMDs in Iraq
Check Syria.
> * That the war in Iraq would spread freedom and democracy throughout
> the Middle East, making the region much more friendly toward America
Check back in about 100 years and report.
--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 16:57:33
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <o%t4h.9887$GE1.4286@bignews7.bellsouth.net >,
"Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb > wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
> > * We would find WMDs in Iraq
>
> Check Syria.
Also check the footage of those NASA moon landings. Those shadows
shouldn't be there; obvious fake. Not to mention 9/11 was an
inside job.
> > * That the war in Iraq would spread freedom and democracy throughout
> > the Middle East, making the region much more friendly toward America
>
> Check back in about 100 years and report.
Finally a time-table.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 17:58:28
From: Bob L
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"The World Wide Wade" <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote in message
news:waderameyxiii-6E4D78.16573308112006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <o%t4h.9887$GE1.4286@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
> "Head Shot" <HeadShot@TakeTheShot.kgb> wrote:
>
>> "R&B" wrote:
>> > * We would find WMDs in Iraq
>>
>> Check Syria.
>
> Also check the footage of those NASA moon landings. Those shadows
> shouldn't be there; obvious fake. Not to mention 9/11 was an
> inside job.
>
You forgot to mention Area 51 and Elvis. Both government conspiracies.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 09:36:10
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
> * That the war in Iraq would spread freedom and democracy throughout the
> Middle East, making the region much more friendly toward America
> * That America doesn't torture anyone
> * That by spreading democracy in Iraq, America (and presumably, Americans
> everywhere) would be safer
> * That we could wipe out terrorism by fighting them "over there" (ignoring
> the fact that by doing so we were serving as the most effective recruitment
> tool for terrorist organizations to date, thereby making our children and
> grandchildren less safe)
The shortsightedness of you is showing. Thank GOD your mentality
wasn't in play in WW2. Hitler and his successors would own Europe
right now.
I might go to law school. All of those captured terrorists will be
needing lawyers soon!
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:29:49
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <1163093770.811058.205450@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > * That the war in Iraq would spread freedom and democracy throughout the
> > Middle East, making the region much more friendly toward America
> > * That America doesn't torture anyone
> > * That by spreading democracy in Iraq, America (and presumably, Americans
> > everywhere) would be safer
> > * That we could wipe out terrorism by fighting them "over there" (ignoring
> > the fact that by doing so we were serving as the most effective recruitment
> > tool for terrorist organizations to date, thereby making our children and
> > grandchildren less safe)
>
> The shortsightedness of you is showing. Thank GOD your mentality
> wasn't in play in WW2. Hitler and his successors would own Europe
> right now.
Oh, but it was. If it weren't for the Japanese you would have kept out
of "Europe's war". Thanks so much.
>
> I might go to law school. All of those captured terrorists will be
> needing lawyers soon!
Yes, but they will need REALLY good ones.
William Clark
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 22:40:32
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
bill-o wrote:
> On 9-Nov-2006, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Too many people get "trapped", not because of wages being stagnate (who
> > causes that?), but because they spend beyond their ability to earn.
> > You want to earn more, learn more, do more, make yourself valuable.
> > The solution to success is not at the end of government handout line,
> > nor is it waiting for some Liberal Congress to raise the minimum wage
> > (which is nothing but a tax increase on small business!!).
>
> Amen! some "facts" circa 2004 from MSN money:
>
> * About 43% of American families spend more than they earn each year.
> * Average households carry some $8,000 in credit card debt.
> * Personal bankruptcies have doubled in the past decade.
>
> It's not clear exactly where the debt trend will take U.S. consumers or the
> U.S. economy. But it is clear that both are sailing in uncharted waters.
>
> Consumers owe nearly $2 trillion
> American consumers owed a grand total of $1.9773 trillion in October 2003,
> according to the latest statistics on consumer credit from the Federal
> Reserve. That's about $18,654 per household, a figure that doesn't include
> mortgage debt. The number is up more than 41% from the $1.3999 trillion
> consumers owed in 1998.
>
>
> --
> bill-o
Yep....I'm one of them, although I'm fortunate to owe less than I own.
I've been listening and now applying the Dave Ramsey principles about
becoming debt free.
Aside from personal choice, there is little that can be done about it.
People have the right to make stupid financial decisions.
-Greg
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 15:26:12
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
the Moderator wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-71537A.20112208112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > God help us, Larry, and you accuse the liberals of being whiny bad
> > losers.
> >
> > You are truly pathetic.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> What happened to the election fraud? During the day of the election there
> were several reports of problems at the polls on CBS, CNN, ABC and NBC. As
> the election results came in, nothing else was mentioned about voter fraud.
>
> Now I don't spend a lot of time watching the news on these channels, but I
> have visited them all since the election and no voter fraud has been
> mentioned that I can find. If you Google election fraud 2006 you get zip.
> If you Google election fraud 2004 you get a dumpster full of hits.
>
> Biased news reporting? False reports on national networks? Of course. A
> conservative estimate of the cost in votes caused by media bias is well
> above the margin of victory in many races.
>
> Signed,
>
> A whiny conservative
Hey, Mod. Where you been? We've missed all your whining. : -)
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:44:40
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"R&B" wrote:
> "Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> news:v3q6l2p31lh2bu7rfhvq0eo20gs15kh271@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:39:46 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote in message
> >>news:Xsydnb3KQfBh1s7YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >>>
> >>> Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because
> >>> they're not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy.
> >>> The
> >>> only people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income.
> >>> Most everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few years
> >>> ago.
> >>>
> >>What a crock of shit.
> >>
> > What about the above do you not believe? He's absolutely correct
> > Mike.
>
> The facts have never been something these conservative nut jobs ever care to
> consider.
Ok, Mr. Liberal Nutjob....you said, "...are the ones in the upper 10%
of income"
What is the Income limit to hit "upper 10% of income" ??
Gives us the fact please.
I got news for you....I've been feeling great since I first started
working in 1976....and I've never been in the "upper 10% of
income"....the difference is I don't look to the "gods" in Washington
to make me feel good...If I need to do better, I work for it.
If you are worried about gas going from $2/gal to $3/gal....you use to
much gas in relation to your income. If you are worried about your
electricity bill going up, you use too much electricty compared to your
income.
Too many people get "trapped", not because of wages being stagnate (who
causes that?), but because they spend beyond their ability to earn.
You want to earn more, learn more, do more, make yourself valuable.
The solution to success is not at the end of government handout line,
nor is it waiting for some Liberal Congress to raise the minimum wage
(which is nothing but a tax increase on small business!!).
Tex
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 06:23:40
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
On 9-Nov-2006, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
> Too many people get "trapped", not because of wages being stagnate (who
> causes that?), but because they spend beyond their ability to earn.
> You want to earn more, learn more, do more, make yourself valuable.
> The solution to success is not at the end of government handout line,
> nor is it waiting for some Liberal Congress to raise the minimum wage
> (which is nothing but a tax increase on small business!!).
Amen! some "facts" circa 2004 from MSN money:
* About 43% of American families spend more than they earn each year.
* Average households carry some $8,000 in credit card debt.
* Personal bankruptcies have doubled in the past decade.
It's not clear exactly where the debt trend will take U.S. consumers or the
U.S. economy. But it is clear that both are sailing in uncharted waters.
Consumers owe nearly $2 trillion
American consumers owed a grand total of $1.9773 trillion in October 2003,
according to the latest statistics on consumer credit from the Federal
Reserve. That’s about $18,654 per household, a figure that doesn’t include
mortgage debt. The number is up more than 41% from the $1.3999 trillion
consumers owed in 1998.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 09:25:51
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote in message
news:45541aeb$0$17482$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com...
>
> On 9-Nov-2006, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Too many people get "trapped", not because of wages being stagnate (who
>> causes that?), but because they spend beyond their ability to earn.
>> You want to earn more, learn more, do more, make yourself valuable.
>> The solution to success is not at the end of government handout line,
>> nor is it waiting for some Liberal Congress to raise the minimum wage
>> (which is nothing but a tax increase on small business!!).
>
> Amen! some "facts" circa 2004 from MSN money:
>
> * About 43% of American families spend more than they earn each year.
> * Average households carry some $8,000 in credit card debt.
> * Personal bankruptcies have doubled in the past decade.
>
> It's not clear exactly where the debt trend will take U.S. consumers or
> the
> U.S. economy. But it is clear that both are sailing in uncharted waters.
>
> Consumers owe nearly $2 trillion
> American consumers owed a grand total of $1.9773 trillion in October 2003,
> according to the latest statistics on consumer credit from the Federal
> Reserve. That's about $18,654 per household, a figure that doesn't include
> mortgage debt. The number is up more than 41% from the $1.3999 trillion
> consumers owed in 1998.
>
I think it necessary to add to this the per-person share that each American
"owes" in the national debt. I don't know the current figures, but I
estimate additng to that $1.5 trillion the COUNTRY, STATES, AND COUNTIES
debt PER PERSON come to MANY TRILLIONS MORE - to a total of 9 MAYBE -
which when divided by our 300,000,000 population works out to $30,000 per
man, woman, child in the country.
So on the day of your birth, YOUR SHARE of this debt total is about $30,000.
Which of course requires debt SERVICE, to say nothing of amortization of the
principal.
So using 6% interest, EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE IF YOU ONLY PAY THE INTEREST ON
A DAILY BASIS, about $5 comes "off the top" for that expense. And TO HAVE
$5 TO SPEND AFTER TAXES, you have to earn $8 PER DAY x 365 days JUST FOR THE
INTEREST-- nearly $3000 per year.
My kids didn't start EARNING until their late teens, to say nothing of
......well, the rest is obvious.
The "good news" is that inflation will take care of the whole thing and the
country will collapse financially.
Is there a country in the world more solvent? Probably several - in NW
Europe, I suspect, and of course in oil rich countries. Old money, Oil
money, and Our money (we buy most of the oil/energy stuff).
Mark your calendars now that the liberals (who subsidize the do-littles) are
taking over.
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 23:32:03
From: JJK
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"bill-o" wrote:
<snip >
> Consumers owe nearly $2 trillion
> American consumers owed a grand total of $1.9773 trillion in October 2003,
> according to the latest statistics on consumer credit from the Federal
> Reserve. That's about $18,654 per household, a figure that doesn't include
> mortgage debt. The number is up more than 41% from the $1.3999 trillion
> consumers owed in 1998.
Larry's so wealthy, he could pay off everyone's debt in an instant.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 13:01:05
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Hey RB..and you other left-wingnuts
|
Larry Bud wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
> > You and your neocon friends told us
>
> Your liberal friends told us
>
> * Bush would trot out Bin Laden a week before the election, because,
> after all, we've been holding him all along
> * The Diebold electronic voting machines were rigged for the GOP
> (Apparently the machines work properly now, since the dems won)
> * Punchcards disenfranchise voters (apparently they suddenly work
> again, since the dems won)
O'Reilly would be so proud! : >
-Greg
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 12:03:14
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
> Wake up, moron. The folks who are saying that are doing so because they're
> not feeling the effects of this so-called "improved" economy. The only
> people who are feeling it are the ones in the upper 10% of income. Most
> everyone else is stuck at about the same wage they were a few years ago.
LOL!!! Sorry Randy, but 10% of the population cannot make a 4%+ growth
economy month after month to happen. You just don't know what you're
talking about.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 12:01:11
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Hey RB..and you other left-wingnuts
|
"R&B" wrote:
> You and your neocon friends told us
Your liberal friends told us
* Bush would trot out Bin Laden a week before the election, because,
after all, we've been holding him all along
* The Diebold electronic voting machines were rigged for the GOP
(Apparently the machines work properly now, since the dems won)
* Punchcards disenfranchise voters (apparently they suddenly work
again, since the dems won)
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:58:04
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Hey RB..and you other left-wingnuts
|
In article
<1163102471.334355.267130@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
> > You and your neocon friends told us
>
> Your liberal friends told us
>
> * Bush would trot out Bin Laden a week before the election, because,
> after all, we've been holding him all along
You're quoting some nutters on the left. R&B was mainly quoting
the President of the US. Interesting comparison.
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Date: 09 Nov 2006 14:33:30
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Hey RB..and you other left-wingnuts
|
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1163102471.334355.267130@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> "R&B" wrote:
>> You and your neocon friends told us
>
> Your liberal friends told us
>
> * Bush would trot out Bin Laden a week before the election, because,
> after all, we've been holding him all along
> * The Diebold electronic voting machines were rigged for the GOP
> (Apparently the machines work properly now, since the dems won)
> * Punchcards disenfranchise voters (apparently they suddenly work
> again, since the dems won)
>
Spot on Larry!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 08:41:22
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
the Moderator wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-B80FB8.10480613112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <wsSdnfm4b_Js7sXYnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
> > "the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > So where is the reporting of these issues?
> > >
> > > They aren't being reported, because they were fabrications and
> exaggerations
> > > to begin with.
> >
> > Check Wednesday's local papers in Ohio, and the TV news reports for
> > Tuesday.
> >
> > I'm sure you can find them.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> I checked. They are not there.
Uh-oh. You're in trouble now, William.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 13:56:44
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <1163436082.237375.320140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
> the Moderator wrote:
> > "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
> > news:clark.31-B80FB8.10480613112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > > In article <wsSdnfm4b_Js7sXYnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
> > > "the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So where is the reporting of these issues?
> > > >
> > > > They aren't being reported, because they were fabrications and
> > exaggerations
> > > > to begin with.
> > >
> > > Check Wednesday's local papers in Ohio, and the TV news reports for
> > > Tuesday.
> > >
> > > I'm sure you can find them.
> > >
> > > William Clark
> >
> > I checked. They are not there.
>
>
> Uh-oh. You're in trouble now, William.
Well, here is a broader one from ComputerWorld, not reknowned for
left-wing leanings.
>
> ComputerWorld has just posted the following article of mine in full. Here's
> the first few (pre-CW-edited) grafs to whet your appetite...
>
> ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINE SLAYS NINE!
> Terrorizes Florida in Thrill-Kill Rampage
>
> That headline was from a satirical column written by Andy Borowitz published
> last Monday, the day before Tuesday's mid-term election.
>
>
> Unfortunately, given the post-election coverage by some of the nation's
> leading media -- or at least their headline writers -- it seems that only an
> event such as a Diebold voting machine becoming "unmoored from the floor
> and...trampling everyone and everything in its path," as Borowitz wrote,
> would qualify as anything more than a "glitch", "hiccup", "snag" or "snafu".
> At least if you guage the coverage from the headline writers at NYTimes or
> Associated Press.
>
> "Voting System Worked, With Some Hiccups," declared the AP headline on
> Wednesday. "Polling Places Report Snags, but Not Chaos," echoed the Times.
>
> "Hiccups"? "Snags"? Try telling it the thousands of voters around the country
> who were unable to simply cast a vote last Tuesday because new, untested
> electronic voting machines failed to work. Monumentally. Across the entire
> country.
>
> "Not Chaos"? Apparently the Times headline writers failed to check with the
> folks in Denver who were lined up around the block for hours to vote. They
> didn't even bother to read the the Denver Post who headlined the problem as a
> "Voting Nightmare" during the day on Tuesday and quoted voter Lauren Brockman
> saying "We will not get to vote today," after he had showed up before work to
> vote at 6:45 a.m. at the Botanic Gardens only to wait on line for an hour
> before giving up.
>
> They didn't check with Colorado's Gubernatorial candidate Bill Ritter who had
> to wait almost two hours to vote, or with Sean Kelley, a Denver resident who
> said to the Post, "I can't believe I'm in the United States of America,"
> before he gave up and went home without voting after waiting three hours in
> line when electronic machines broke down.
>
> The courts in Colorado refused to allow the city's new consolidated "Election
> Centers" to remain open for extra hours that night. And yet this was only a
> mid-term election with far lower turnout than we can look forward to in 2008.
>
> Similar problems led to slighly more responsible officials ordering polls to
> be kept open longer than scheduled in at least eight other states due to
> voting machine problems. In a NY Times story published the day before (which
> apparently the headline writers of the previously mentioned piece failed to
> read), it was reported that in Illinois "hundreds of precincts were kept
> open...because of late openings at polling places related to machine
> problems" and in Indiana "voting equipment problems led to extensions of at
> least 30 minutes, in three counties."
>
> Other states where polls remained open late due to the inability of legally
> registered voters to vote when they showed up earlier in the day include
> Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Ohio, Georgia and North Carolina, Indiana,
> Ohio.
>
> But the list of problems and, yes, meltdowns (not "glitches" "hiccups"
> "snags" or "snafus") is still pouring in from around the country. My inbox
> has been beyond readability since polls opened on Tuesday morning, and my
> ability to keep up had already been near the breaking point in the weeks
> prior just from similar reported disasters that occured with these failing,
> flipping, and flimsy new pieces of junk during the Early Voting period in
> Florida, Arkansas, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia, Texas and California
> just to name a few.
>
> On Election Day, the Electronic Frontier Foundation had received about 17,000
> complaints in their toll-free hotline by 8pm. Common Cause received 14,000
> calls by 4 p.m. John Gideon at VotersUnite.org performed the Herculean task
> of logging as many news reports as he could in a searchable online database
> of reported election problems that day.
>
> One big fat bullet seems to have been dodged when George Allen conceded in
> his Virginia Senate race Thursday. Had he chosen not to, America would have
> found itself smack-dab in the middle of another Florida 2000 crisis with the
> balance of the entire United States Congress depending on voting machines in
> a state which offer absolutely no way to recount ballots to achieve any form
> of accuracy or clarity in the race. The battle of the forensic computer
> scientists trying to figure out what happened would have been another long
> national nightmare.
>
> But that didn't happen, so everything's cool...
And here's another . . .
> A sampling of e-voting glitches on election day 2006
> Plenty of problems with electronic voting machines are reported, ranging from
> trivial to worrisome.
> By Anne Broache and Declan McCullagh
> Staff Writer, CNET News.com
> Published: November 7, 2006, 6:00 PM PST
> TalkBack E-mail Print del.icio.us Digg this
>
> There were plenty of glitches in electronic voting machines during Tuesday's
> election. But how many were serious ones?
> It's too early to tell. Most of the reports so far describe inconveniences,
> long lines and other hassles rather than anything more serious. (And of
> course vote fraud has a long and sordid history of occurring without
> computers.)
> But what we do know is that the security and reliability of e-voting machines
> matters more than ever before. About 39 percent of voters were expected to
> cast their ballots on Tuesday using electronic voting machines. Another 49
> percent of voters are expected to use optical-scan voting equipment, which
> uses computers to tabulate paper ballots in a manner similar to standardized
> tests.
> Following is a roundup of some of Tuesday's highlights:
>
> Won't start up: Problems with booting up electronic voting machines forced
> some precincts to "revert to paper ballots," the Salt Lake Tribune reported.
> Specifically: "Voter Robert Nelson spent 90 minutes hoping poll workers could
> fix the problem so he could vote, but ultimately gave up waiting. 'The
> workers were earnestly trying to get the machines to work, but not a one in
> our precinct worked,' Nelson said. 'I work in Salt Lake City, so I couldn't
> wait for the machines to work.'"
>
> Won't stay up: Florida's Broward County, which switched to touch-screen
> machines after the 2000 election debacle, found out that the new systems are
> hardly perfect, the Miami Herald said. "The problem, according to Broward
> Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney, was a voting system
> technician who activated machines at one precinct with the cartridge for the
> other...The mistake caused the machines to shut down."
> The Allentown Morning Call reported that Michael Young smashed the screen of
> one of the electronic voting machines with a cat paperweight and was
> subsequently arrested by police.
> Buggy 'start' cards: Cards that activate e-voting machines were buggy, the
> Indianapolis Star reported. "Blue start cards that activate the push-button
> machines for voters were programmed incorrectly by MicroVote General Corp.,
> the company that installed software in 47 Indiana counties."
> Buggy voters: The state's experiment with switching to e-voting machines
> prompted one apparently deranged Allentown, Pa., resident to go on the
> attack. The Allentown Morning Call reported that Michael Young smashed the
> screen of one of the electronic voting machines with a metal cat paperweight
> and was subsequently arrested by police.
> Defaults to Democrats: The software industry has long known that defaults are
> important. New Jersey Republicans learned the same thing after the name of
> Robert Menendez, a Democrat, was allegedly highlighted by default. Voters had
> to manually de-select Menendez to vote Republican, The New York Times
> reported. One Republican lawyer told the paper: "We're not sure exactly what
> the cause of it is...but it's become too widespread to believe it's a
> coincidence."
> Or has completely wrong defaults: A handful of votes in a Connecticut
> precinct--just 28--won't be counted because of e-voting glitches, the
> Hartford Courant reported. They're "null because two voting machines listed
> the wrong candidates for that seat at a Farmington Avenue polling place."
> Or never got delivered at all: Former Rep. Tom DeLay, the disgraced Texas
> Republican, left behind a rare open congressional seat. But in that Texas
> district, according to the Houston Chronicle, "poll workers discovered that
> the wrong electronic machines had been delivered in at least four precincts,
> delaying dozens of voters and causing an undetermined number to vote in the
> wrong state Senate race."
> Chirps like a cricket: In one elementary school near Columbus, Ohio, three of
> the five voting machines malfunctioned, the Columbus Dispatch reported. But
> what's better is this description of the problems at a nearby high school:
> "Two of precinct 4-B's five machines were not working, according to Margaret
> Park, a poll worker with 20 years of experience. A printer failed to work on
> one machine. 'This one is chirping like a cricket,' she said of another
> defective machine."
> Humans are dumb: At least some glitches are easier to fix than others. The
> San Diego Union-Tribune reports that precinct workers were puzzled about why
> their computers weren't working. "You need to plug them in," a technician
> patiently explained. "They were running them on battery power."
> Humans are lazy: A polling location in Oklahoma opened late because an
> election inspector overslept, according to The Oklahoman.
> The age factor: The average age of poll workers in Indianapolis is 72. That
> caused problems when hooking things up on Tuesday morning, the Washington
> Post said: "Some older poll workers Marion County Clerk Doris Anne Sadler
> said, were unable to hook up cables between optical scan voting machines and
> new touch-screen models for people with physical disabilities. She compared
> the task to connecting a printer and mouse to a laptop computer."
> Server problems: Colorado: State officials told us that the problems with its
> e-voting machines were primarily human error. But the Denver Post reports
> that the story doesn't end there: "Denver Election Commission spokesman Alton
> Dillard II said the system's 'e poll book' laptop computers--which are used
> to verify each voter--were bogged down early in the day, forcing election
> judges to manually call other election officials by telephone to certify the
> voters. The system became so bogged down by 1 p.m. that election officials
> were forced to shut down the computers and reboot them, Dillard said."
> Web site problems: In Michigan, the Web site for Republican Senate candidate
> Mike Bouchard was shut down after being hacked, Fox News reported. At least
> one election commission Web site also had problems.
>Low-tech problems: It was the lack of special pens to mark paper
ballots that
> frustrated election officials, according to a report in the Chicago Tribune.
> Statistic of the day: "By late afternoon, the Election Protection Coalition
> phone bank in Washington, D.C., said it had received 13,500 calls to complain
> about voting problems, but that only about 20 percent represented serious
> problems," according to MSNBC.com.
> Second-best quote of the day: Former Mayor Robert Lankford reported a minor
> problem, according to a report in Tennessee's Gallatin News Examiner.
> "Somebody called in and complained that I told them how to vote," Lankford
> said. "I am not dumb enough to tell people how to vote."
> Quote of the day: "We got five machines--one of them's got to work," said
> Willette Scullank, a trouble-shooter from the Cuyahoga County elections
> board, courtesy of the Associated Press.
And from Columbus' NBC affilate station . . .
> udge Orders Cuyahoga County To Keep Polls Open Late
> Some Scanning Problems Reported
>
> COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Sixteen polling locations where earlier voting machine
> problems caused delays and where waits were an hour or more must stay open an
> extra 90 minutes, a federal judge ruled late Tuesday.
>
> U.S. District Court Judge Dan A. Polster made the ruling after the Ohio
> Democratic Party sued Cuyahoga County in an attempt to get the hours extended
> beyond the scheduled 7:30 p.m. closing time.
> Cuyahoga elections chief Michael Vu said that the board notified poll workers
> to continue operating until 9 p.m.
>
> Despite an emergency appeal by the office of Secretary of State Ken
> Blackwell, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the decision but also
> ordered all votes cast after 7:30 p.m. to be provisional ballots.
>
> In response, Blackwell, the Republican candidate for governor, ordered all
> county election boards to keep election results under wraps until 9 p.m. A
> Blackwell spokesman said Democrats were manipulating the election system.
>
> "What I think you're looking at is the Ohio Democratic Party hand-selecting
> some precincts where they thought that they could squeeze out a few more
> votes in the 90 minutes following the regular close of polls," said James
> Lee. "It's a gross political manipulation of Ohio election law."
>
> The polling locations ordered to remain open were in heavily Democratic
> Cleveland and eastern suburbs Shaker Heights, University Heights,
> Warrensville Heights, Cleveland Heights and East Cleveland.
>
> The state's most populous county with more than 1 million registered voters
> was among several in Ohio that earlier reported some delays at polling
> locations, which were to open at 6:30 a.m.
>
> Ohio was using electronic voting statewide for the first time in a general
> election. Voters at the polls also had to show identification for the first
> time.
>
> Vu said earlier that some machines did not work and there were some cases of
> technicians either not showing up or being unable to get the machines working
> right away. An unknown number of voters were turned away until about 20
> precincts began using paper ballots to be counted by optical scanners.
>
> Polster dismissed the Democrats' request to force the elections board to
> count those paper ballots Tuesday night. The county says it does not know how
> many there are and it will not count them until Nov. 28, when elections
> results are made official.
>
> The party claims the delays disenfranchised voters and requested the extended
> hours to give those turned away a chance to cast votes for governor, U.S.
> Senate and other offices.
>
> The county was ordered to extend hours at a Cleveland polling place in May
> when that location opened six hours late because three of four poll workers
> were absent. It was one of numerous problems during the primary in which
> results in Cuyahoga were delayed six days.
>
> Voters also experienced issues at two polling locations in Grove City and
> Upper Arlington, where workers ran out of paper for the voting machines.
>
> Workers at the Grove City location said they had been out of paper since 2
> p.m., and at 8 p.m., they had not received any replenishment.
>
> Workers at the Upper Arlington location said there were still about 20
> citizens waiting in line to vote, and they had been waiting since 4 p.m. for
> paper. The citizens had been waiting since 7:30 p.m., and at 8:30 p.m., no
> voting had taken place, NBC 4 reported.
>
> A flood of election-related calls knocked out the phone system serving
> Franklin County offices on Tuesday morning.
>
> County Elections Director Matthew Damschroder said the phone lines were
> overwhelmed by voters wondering where to vote and poll workers needing help
> with electronic voting machines.
>
> The Franklin County phone system also got jammed on primary day in May,
> slowing final vote tallies until 2 a.m.
>
> All 88 counties for the first time Tuesday used electronic voting -- either
> touch-screen machines or paper ballots read by optical scan machines as
> voters selected candidates for governor, Congress and statewide offices.
>
> Also, voters for the first time were required to show identification at the
> polls.
>
> James W. Marquart of Cleveland said he left an elementary school polling
> place without voting because election workers told him his name wasn't on the
> rolls even though he had with him a postcard from the elections board showing
> that's where they told him to vote.
>
> "They had no record of me," he said. "They did offer me a provisional ballot
> but I have absolutely no faith in provisional ballots. I don't want to do a
> ballot that I fear won't be counted."
>
> Provisional ballots are counted later only if elections boards are able to
> verify the voter's information. In 2004, 135,000 provisionals were cast
> statewide, with about 77 percent validated.
>
> Marquart, an independent, said he took the day off work and is consulting an
> attorney. Elections hot lines set up by the state and voter groups repeatedly
> rang busy when he tried to call for help around 8:15 a.m., he said.
>
> When he finally got through to the Cuyahoga County elections board he said he
> was told records show he was an inactive voter even though he says he voted
> in the May primary.
>
> "I wonder how many other people this is happening to," he said.
>
> In Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland and elsewhere, lines more than 30 people
> deep formed at polling places.
>
> A location in Columbus opened a few minutes late because of a break-in at the
> school where the precinct is located. Police would not allow voters in until
> they were sure the building was safe.
>
> The voting machines and materials were locked and secure, said Matthew
> Damschroder, the Franklin County elections director.
>
> The elections board received so many calls from voters and poll workers that
> the county's phone system collapsed, Damschroder told The Columbus Dispatch.
> Workers were trying to get service restored and callers probably were getting
> busy signals or hold time, he said.
>
> Many voters said they didn't mind showing their driver's license or other
> identification and many reported no problems with touch-screen machines.
>
> Rep. Jean Schmidt was the first person to vote at a polling place in the
> Cincinnati suburb of Loveland, but the machine she used was not able to read
> her paper optical scan ballot. Poll workers were unable to solve the problem,
> so they put her ballot and others into a slot in the machine, to be scanned
> later.
>
> Similar scanning troubles were reported in Akron.
>
> Stay with NBC 4 and nbc4i.com for continuing Decision 2006 coverage.
There, that wasn't too hard.
William Clark
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:51:20
From: the Moderator
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-4ABB2D.13564413112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > Unfortunately, given the post-election coverage by some of the nation's
> > leading media -- or at least their headline writers -- it seems that
only an
> > event such as a Diebold voting machine becoming "unmoored from the floor
> > and...trampling everyone and everything in its path," as Borowitz wrote,
> > would qualify as anything more than a "glitch", "hiccup", "snag" or
"snafu".
> > At least if you guage the coverage from the headline writers at NYTimes
or
> > Associated Press.
> >
> > "Voting System Worked, With Some Hiccups," declared the AP headline on
> > Wednesday. "Polling Places Report Snags, but Not Chaos," echoed the
Times.
Thanks for providing supporting documentation for my arguement.
> And here's another . . .
>
> > A sampling of e-voting glitches on election day 2006
> > Plenty of problems with electronic voting machines are reported, ranging
from
> > trivial to worrisome.
> > By Anne Broache and Declan McCullagh
> > Staff Writer, CNET News.com
> > Published: November 7, 2006, 6:00 PM PST
> > TalkBack E-mail Print del.icio.us Digg this
CNET is not CNN. What is CNET?
> And from Columbus' NBC affilate station . . .
>
> > udge Orders Cuyahoga County To Keep Polls Open Late
> > Some Scanning Problems Reported
This ran on Tuesday, Where was the follow up on Wednesday?
> There, that wasn't too hard.
>
> William Clark
If you don't take the time to read what you posted it is not too hard. Your
references support my position.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:47:45
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <YK2dnQxaerBEdcXYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@centurytel.net >,
"the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com > wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-4ABB2D.13564413112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, given the post-election coverage by some of the nation's
> > > leading media -- or at least their headline writers -- it seems that
> only an
> > > event such as a Diebold voting machine becoming "unmoored from the floor
> > > and...trampling everyone and everything in its path," as Borowitz wrote,
> > > would qualify as anything more than a "glitch", "hiccup", "snag" or
> "snafu".
> > > At least if you guage the coverage from the headline writers at NYTimes
> or
> > > Associated Press.
> > >
> > > "Voting System Worked, With Some Hiccups," declared the AP headline on
> > > Wednesday. "Polling Places Report Snags, but Not Chaos," echoed the
> Times.
>
> Thanks for providing supporting documentation for my arguement.
Well, it's strange that so many of the "glitches" occurred in a
battleground state like Ohio, for the second consecutive time. You
know, Ohio, the state that Wally Diebold (yes that Diebold) pledged to
"deliver to George Bush" in 2004.
You would have thought that they would have got it right here, of all
places.
>
> > And here's another . . .
> >
> > > A sampling of e-voting glitches on election day 2006
> > > Plenty of problems with electronic voting machines are reported, ranging
> from
> > > trivial to worrisome.
> > > By Anne Broache and Declan McCullagh
> > > Staff Writer, CNET News.com
> > > Published: November 7, 2006, 6:00 PM PST
> > > TalkBack E-mail Print del.icio.us Digg this
>
> CNET is not CNN. What is CNET?
It is a computer/technology oriented publishing network - very large,
and well regarded in its opinions of technology and technological
issues. No political axe to grind - so you cannot scream "liberal" as
you would have at CNN.
>
> > And from Columbus' NBC affilate station . . .
> >
> > > udge Orders Cuyahoga County To Keep Polls Open Late
> > > Some Scanning Problems Reported
>
> This ran on Tuesday, Where was the follow up on Wednesday?
This si from the same TV station that happily ran SwiftBoat ads in 2004,
but refused to run MoveOn.org's ads against Deborah Pryce in this
campaign. By Wednesday they and the Republicans were running for cover,
together with their media outlets. By the way, another big GoP booster
here, coin dealer Tom Noe, a central figure in the BWC coin scandal, and
a huge (illegal) Republican donor, just got convicted today of stealing
millions from that fund. Looks like a minimum 10 years - Bob Ney at
least will have some company. Politics as usual in Ohio.
>
> > There, that wasn't too hard.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> If you don't take the time to read what you posted it is not too hard. Your
> references support my position.
Only in your own tiny mind. It would be better if you actually read some
of these - remember, the courts actually had to step in to sort out the
mess.
QED
William Clark
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 07:15:07
From: the Moderator
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
"William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote in message
news:clark.31-519E29.20474513112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article <YK2dnQxaerBEdcXYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
>
> Well, it's strange that so many of the "glitches" occurred in a
> battleground state like Ohio, for the second consecutive time. You
> know, Ohio, the state that Wally Diebold (yes that Diebold) pledged to
> "deliver to George Bush" in 2004.
>
> You would have thought that they would have got it right here, of all
> places.
Earth to William. So what you are saying that serious election fraud went
unreported by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN? I haven't heard the name Diebold
mentioned on any network station since the election. The reality is that
there are always going to be minor glitches and if the Democrats lose the
networks are going to create a conspiracy where none exists.
> > CNET is not CNN. What is CNET?
>
> It is a computer/technology oriented publishing network - very large,
> and well regarded in its opinions of technology and technological
> issues. No political axe to grind - so you cannot scream "liberal" as
> you would have at CNN.
OK, so why wasn't the story on ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN?
> > If you don't take the time to read what you posted it is not too hard.
Your
> > references support my position.
>
> Only in your own tiny mind. It would be better if you actually read some
> of these - remember, the courts actually had to step in to sort out the
> mess.
>
> QED
>
> William Clark
Oh yes, the courts. What did the courts decide?
Owned.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:46:55
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <_MudnVLKVYrBXMTYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@centurytel.net >
"the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com > wrote:
>
>
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-519E29.20474513112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <YK2dnQxaerBEdcXYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
> >
> > Well, it's strange that so many of the "glitches" occurred in a
> > battleground state like Ohio, for the second consecutive time. You
> > know, Ohio, the state that Wally Diebold (yes that Diebold) pledged to
> > "deliver to George Bush" in 2004.
> >
> > You would have thought that they would have got it right here, of all
> > places.
>
> Earth to William. So what you are saying that serious election fraud went
> unreported by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN? I haven't heard the name Diebold
> mentioned on any network station since the election. The reality is that
> there are always going to be minor glitches and if the Democrats lose the
> networks are going to create a conspiracy where none exists.
>
> > > CNET is not CNN. What is CNET?
> >
> > It is a computer/technology oriented publishing network - very large,
> > and well regarded in its opinions of technology and technological
> > issues. No political axe to grind - so you cannot scream "liberal" as
> > you would have at CNN.
>
> OK, so why wasn't the story on ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN?
>
> > > If you don't take the time to read what you posted it is not too hard.
> Your
> > > references support my position.
> >
> > Only in your own tiny mind. It would be better if you actually read some
> > of these - remember, the courts actually had to step in to sort out the
> > mess.
> >
> > QED
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Oh yes, the courts. What did the courts decide?
>
> Owned.
Do your research. Of all the new election machines, only a fraction were
Diebold, the company that vowed to help bush be reelected in 2004.
Actually, we on the other side thank them because in giving him the
second term, we verified exactly what we knew he would do which was to
step deeper into the do-do and now the "secret's" out to the
majority....he really is the moron only about half the country knew him
to be a few years ago.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 17:50:36
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
|
In article <_MudnVLKVYrBXMTYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@centurytel.net >,
"the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com > wrote:
> "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu> wrote in message
> news:clark.31-519E29.20474513112006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <YK2dnQxaerBEdcXYnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
> >
> > Well, it's strange that so many of the "glitches" occurred in a
> > battleground state like Ohio, for the second consecutive time. You
> > know, Ohio, the state that Wally Diebold (yes that Diebold) pledged to
> > "deliver to George Bush" in 2004.
> >
> > You would have thought that they would have got it right here, of all
> > places.
>
> Earth to William. So what you are saying that serious election fraud went
> unreported by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN? I haven't heard the name Diebold
> mentioned on any network station since the election. The reality is that
> there are always going to be minor glitches and if the Democrats lose the
> networks are going to create a conspiracy where none exists.
Earth to whoever you are - this is the original context.
"Oh, and all those stories about polling stations not being open, voting
machines malfunctioning, voting machine records being overlooked,etc?
Just liberal media bias, I suppose. In the words of your immortal hero
"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . er. . .er . . won't get
fooled again".
No one said "serious election fraud" as I recall, but enough problems
and irregularities that the Courts in Ohio had to step in and order
polling stations to stay open beyond the official closing time so that
everyone could vote that wanted to. Even with that, there were certainly
people who gave up on the wait and so did not vote.
>
> > > CNET is not CNN. What is CNET?
> >
> > It is a computer/technology oriented publishing network - very large,
> > and well regarded in its opinions of technology and technological
> > issues. No political axe to grind - so you cannot scream "liberal" as
> > you would have at CNN.
>
> OK, so why wasn't the story on ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN?
It was, you just chose to ignore it.
>
> > > If you don't take the time to read what you posted it is not too hard.
> Your
> > > references support my position.
> >
> > Only in your own tiny mind. It would be better if you actually read some
> > of these - remember, the courts actually had to step in to sort out the
> > mess.
> >
> > QED
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Oh yes, the courts. What did the courts decide?
See above - that polling stations in parts of Ohio had to remain open
past the official close in order to allow all those who wished to vote
to do so, because of the delays that had occurred during the earlier
part of the day.
OK - still need my help to find your way round the Internet?
William Clark
>
> Owned.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:20:32
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:56:44 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:
>> Stay with NBC 4 and nbc4i.com for continuing Decision 2006 coverage.
>
>There, that wasn't too hard.
>
>William Clark
So are you implying that the Democrats stole the election?
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:49:24
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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In article <prkhl2dnu0hr0hg8hrmhfcvppvdmh7ribr@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:56:44 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
>
> >> Stay with NBC 4 and nbc4i.com for continuing Decision 2006 coverage.
> >
> >There, that wasn't too hard.
> >
> >William Clark
>
> So are you implying that the Democrats stole the election?
No, but Deborah Pryce's election still is not yet confirmed with the
absentee and provisional ballots yet to be counted. Terrible thing if
there was any funny business with those, now wouldn't it?
William Clark
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 17:51:53
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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In article <prkhl2dnu0hr0hg8hrmhfcvppvdmh7ribr@4ax.com >,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:56:44 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
>
> >> Stay with NBC 4 and nbc4i.com for continuing Decision 2006 coverage.
> >
> >There, that wasn't too hard.
> >
> >William Clark
>
> So are you implying that the Democrats stole the election?
Of course they did - there is no way they could have won fair and square
with Larry telling us the GoP was a shoo-in.
William Clark
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 16:31:18
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Hey LLLLarry...and you other right-wingnuts
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Head Shot wrote:
> "R&B" wrote:
> > * We would find WMDs in Iraq
>
> Check Syria.
>
>
> > * That the war in Iraq would spread freedom and democracy throughout
> > the Middle East, making the region much more friendly toward America
>
> Check back in about 100 years and report.
>
Roflmao....now that's funny!
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