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Date: 31 Aug 2006 21:51:38
From:
Subject: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

In norway this days, a stupid, stupid farmer, who wrote an article
about golf in the magazine "NATIONEN" (http://www.nationen.no) have
created a massive discussion, mostly against the farmer.

I thought i should show some international people how stupid a
norwegian farmer can be:

Quote from a very stupid norwegian man, named Olav Randen:
"Golf is a rich-man activity, which is played by very few people
worldwide. And it destroys mother earth. "

"It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed
so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
scientist"

- He doesn't mention what scientist, in other words: Pure BULLSHIT!

If you understand norwegian, or have a tool to translate it - you can
read the article here:
http://www.nationen.no/meninger/gjestekommentar/article2249471.ece

Bon apetit!

Date: 01 Sep 2006 09:31:11
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Mike Dalecki wrote:
> fredarn@gmail.com wrote:
> > In norway this days, a stupid, stupid farmer, who wrote an article
> > about golf in the magazine "NATIONEN" (http://www.nationen.no) have
> > created a massive discussion, mostly against the farmer.
> >
> > I thought i should show some international people how stupid a
> > norwegian farmer can be:
> >
> >
> > Quote from a very stupid norwegian man, named Olav Randen:
> > "Golf is a rich-man activity, which is played by very few people
> > worldwide. And it destroys mother earth. "
> >
> > "It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed
> > so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
> > scientist"
> >
> > - He doesn't mention what scientist, in other words: Pure BULLSHIT!
> >
> >
> > If you understand norwegian, or have a tool to translate it - you can
> > read the article here:
> > http://www.nationen.no/meninger/gjestekommentar/article2249471.ece
> >
> >
> > Bon apetit!
> >
>
> I think it's interesting that you never hear anything about football or
> baseball stadiums having the same effect.
>
> It costs a bit more, I think, to attend a football game than it does to
> golf; of course, your mileage may vary depending on parking costs, if
> any, what seats you choose, whether you buy inflated consumables while
> there, and so on. However, one thing a golf course does that stadia and
> the surrounding parking lots do not is absorb rainwater.
>
> Given a choice between a golf course and more sprawl, more pavement,
> I'll take the golf course.

Not only that, a football stadium isn't used nearly as much as a golf
course.

Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:04:36
From: Michael Pearson
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157128271.529874.232010@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mike Dalecki wrote:
>> fredarn@gmail.com wrote:
>> > In norway this days, a stupid, stupid farmer, who wrote an article
>> > about golf in the magazine "NATIONEN" (http://www.nationen.no) have
>> > created a massive discussion, mostly against the farmer.
>> >
>> > I thought i should show some international people how stupid a
>> > norwegian farmer can be:
>> >
>> >
>> > Quote from a very stupid norwegian man, named Olav Randen:
>> > "Golf is a rich-man activity, which is played by very few people
>> > worldwide. And it destroys mother earth. "
>> >
>> > "It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed
>> > so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
>> > scientist"
>> >
>> > - He doesn't mention what scientist, in other words: Pure BULLSHIT!
>> >
>> >
>> > If you understand norwegian, or have a tool to translate it - you can
>> > read the article here:
>> > http://www.nationen.no/meninger/gjestekommentar/article2249471.ece
>> >
>> >
>> > Bon apetit!
>> >
>>
>> I think it's interesting that you never hear anything about football or
>> baseball stadiums having the same effect.
>>
>> It costs a bit more, I think, to attend a football game than it does to
>> golf; of course, your mileage may vary depending on parking costs, if
>> any, what seats you choose, whether you buy inflated consumables while
>> there, and so on. However, one thing a golf course does that stadia and
>> the surrounding parking lots do not is absorb rainwater.
>>
>> Given a choice between a golf course and more sprawl, more pavement,
>> I'll take the golf course.
>
> Not only that, a football stadium isn't used nearly as much as a golf
> course.
>

As often perhaps, but really now, even a public course isn't going to see
3/4 of a million people per year.

Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:11:11
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Michael Pearson wrote:
> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157128271.529874.232010@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Mike Dalecki wrote:
>>
>>>fredarn@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In norway this days, a stupid, stupid farmer, who wrote an article
>>>>about golf in the magazine "NATIONEN" (http://www.nationen.no) have
>>>>created a massive discussion, mostly against the farmer.
>>>>
>>>>I thought i should show some international people how stupid a
>>>>norwegian farmer can be:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Quote from a very stupid norwegian man, named Olav Randen:
>>>>"Golf is a rich-man activity, which is played by very few people
>>>>worldwide. And it destroys mother earth. "
>>>>
>>>>"It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed
>>>>so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
>>>>scientist"
>>>>
>>>>- He doesn't mention what scientist, in other words: Pure BULLSHIT!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you understand norwegian, or have a tool to translate it - you can
>>>>read the article here:
>>>>http://www.nationen.no/meninger/gjestekommentar/article2249471.ece
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Bon apetit!
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think it's interesting that you never hear anything about football or
>>>baseball stadiums having the same effect.
>>>
>>>It costs a bit more, I think, to attend a football game than it does to
>>>golf; of course, your mileage may vary depending on parking costs, if
>>>any, what seats you choose, whether you buy inflated consumables while
>>>there, and so on. However, one thing a golf course does that stadia and
>>>the surrounding parking lots do not is absorb rainwater.
>>>
>>>Given a choice between a golf course and more sprawl, more pavement,
>>>I'll take the golf course.
>>
>>Not only that, a football stadium isn't used nearly as much as a golf
>>course.
>>
>
>
> As often perhaps, but really now, even a public course isn't going to see
> 3/4 of a million people per year.
>
>

Or is the same people over and over?

And when you figure out the cost of club seats, luxury boxes and the
like, who is it that's attending? Poor people?

Mike

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Date: 01 Sep 2006 22:04:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:04:36 GMT, "Michael Pearson"
<michaelpearson137@msn.com > wrote:

>As often perhaps, but really now, even a public course isn't going to see
>3/4 of a million people per year.

But it will see a lot more other animals.

Date: 01 Sep 2006 11:28:33
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

fredarn@gmail.com wrote:
> In norway this days, a stupid, stupid farmer, who wrote an article
> about golf in the magazine "NATIONEN" (http://www.nationen.no) have
> created a massive discussion, mostly against the farmer.
>
> I thought i should show some international people how stupid a
> norwegian farmer can be:
>
>
> Quote from a very stupid norwegian man, named Olav Randen:
> "Golf is a rich-man activity, which is played by very few people
> worldwide. And it destroys mother earth. "
>
> "It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed
> so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
> scientist"
>
> - He doesn't mention what scientist, in other words: Pure BULLSHIT!
>
>
> If you understand norwegian, or have a tool to translate it - you can
> read the article here:
> http://www.nationen.no/meninger/gjestekommentar/article2249471.ece
>
>
> Bon apetit!
>

I think it's interesting that you never hear anything about football or
baseball stadiums having the same effect.

It costs a bit more, I think, to attend a football game than it does to
golf; of course, your mileage may vary depending on parking costs, if
any, what seats you choose, whether you buy inflated consumables while
there, and so on. However, one thing a golf course does that stadia and
the surrounding parking lots do not is absorb rainwater.

Given a choice between a golf course and more sprawl, more pavement,
I'll take the golf course.

Mike

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Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdor.com
RSG-Wisconsin 2006: June 23-25 Info: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2006/
RSG-Wisconsin 2005 Pics: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2005/pics/
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Date: 01 Sep 2006 22:03:27
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:28:33 -0500, Mike Dalecki <mike@clubdor.com >
wrote:

>I think it's interesting that you never hear anything about football or
>baseball stadiums having the same effect.
>
>It costs a bit more, I think, to attend a football game than it does to
>golf; of course, your mileage may vary depending on parking costs, if
>any, what seats you choose, whether you buy inflated consumables while
>there, and so on. However, one thing a golf course does that stadia and
>the surrounding parking lots do not is absorb rainwater.
>
>Given a choice between a golf course and more sprawl, more pavement,
>I'll take the golf course.

Nowadays, people often combine golf courses with wetlands. They
combine ball parks with parking lots.

Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:13:42
From:
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Golf is one sport that should remain in existence - otherwise how would
the general areas used for golf courses be utilized?

If the Venezuelan matter provides homes for the people with government
funds, it's a great deal.

>m h o
>=A0v =83e

>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0u s o - until everyone comes home

Date: 02 Sep 2006 09:18:09
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

In article <4lr5dmF34mhhU1@individual.net >, Mike Dalecki
<mike@clubdor.com > wrote:

> Given a choice between a golf course and more sprawl, more pavement,
> I'll take the golf course.

No kidding. At my local course, which opens a couple of hours later on
Mondays, they often have early morning "bird walks," in which a local
bird watching group walks the course. I think they said that last time
they spotted 40 species. Bird watching is not my thing, but it hardly
seems to be spoiled ground.

It's not uncommon to see a new brood of baby ducks swimming in the
waters.

Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:27:29
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Steven Paul wrote:
> In article <4lr5dmF34mhhU1@individual.net>, Mike Dalecki
> <mike@clubdor.com> wrote:
>
>> Given a choice between a golf course and more sprawl, more pavement,
>> I'll take the golf course.
>
> No kidding. At my local course, which opens a couple of hours later on
> Mondays, they often have early morning "bird walks," in which a local
> bird watching group walks the course. I think they said that last time
> they spotted 40 species. Bird watching is not my thing, but it hardly
> seems to be spoiled ground.
>
> It's not uncommon to see a new brood of baby ducks swimming in the
> waters.

My local course has Canada Geese, ducks, foxes, beavers, groundhogs,
chipmunks, gray squirrels, black squirrels, and many, many birds. And,
my area is overrun with deer.

Oh, and you can watch all the birds you want as long as you pay your
greens fee and keep up with the group ahead of you.

Date: 01 Sep 2006 06:49:48
From: John B.
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Date: 01 Sep 2006 09:32:37
From: Cesar Neri
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Actually, just plain LIVING is an activity that "destroys mother earth".
Think of all the everyday activities we engage in that in fact does bad
things go the earth.

<fredarn@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157086298.496116.100320@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> In norway this days, a stupid, stupid farmer, who wrote an article
> about golf in the magazine "NATIONEN" (http://www.nationen.no) have
> created a massive discussion, mostly against the farmer.
>
> I thought i should show some international people how stupid a
> norwegian farmer can be:
>
>
> Quote from a very stupid norwegian man, named Olav Randen:
> "Golf is a rich-man activity, which is played by very few people
> worldwide. And it destroys mother earth. "
>
> "It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed
> so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
> scientist"
>
> - He doesn't mention what scientist, in other words: Pure BULLSHIT!
>
>
> If you understand norwegian, or have a tool to translate it - you can
> read the article here:
> http://www.nationen.no/meninger/gjestekommentar/article2249471.ece
>
>
> Bon apetit!
>

Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:50:33
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:32:37 -0700, "Cesar Neri" <Cesar.Neri@hp.com >
wrote:

>Actually, just plain LIVING is an activity that "destroys mother earth".
>Think of all the everyday activities we engage in that in fact does bad
>things go the earth.

Even beavers do this. But the hard part about global warming is
that there is good evidence that farms, buildings, roads, & irrigation
contribute far more to global warming than greenhouse gasses do - and
while we don't have the supporting evidence for it - it's quite
possible that over fishing the oceans contributes significantly as
well. We use tremendous amounts of petroleum putting nitrogen into
the soil for the food our population needs.

But we can feel good about sorting our trash, but the real problem is
one which we are not ready to face.

Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:33:01
From:
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

"It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed

so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
scientist"

Any comments on that one? He basicly said that the golf courses made
the water hit more people. WTF?

Date: 01 Sep 2006 11:48:34
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Mike Dalecki wrote:
<stuff regarding surface coverage >

Remember that stadiums get their 750k attendees at concentrated times.
These folks need to park which makes that surface impermiable. The
ratio of grass-to-hard surface is far better than that of a stadium.

Other comparisons to that make me go "hmmmmm..."

* Beer at the turn after walking 2-ish miles v. Beer while frothing
about how your QB couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.

* Wide lapels, plus fours and solf spikes v. Stretch sweat pants, bare
chest with "Go Chiefs" spray painted below the sagging Phil Boobs, and,
the hat with beer piped to the sides of the mouth.

Swearing profusely as you prepared to hit no. 7 from the tee v.
Swearing profusely at your defense. (Oh, wait on that last one...)

Date: 01 Sep 2006 15:30:09
From:
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

How many eat pop corn at the turn - in support of additional revenue for
the course?

The subject punch line is carry-over verbiage from bygone days which has
no relevance in to-day's lingo.

>m h o
>=A0v =83e

>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0u s o - until everyone comes home

Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:24:20
From:
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

fiveiron@webtv.net wrote:
> How many eat pop corn at the turn - in support of additional revenue for
> the course?
>
> The subject punch line is carry-over verbiage from bygone days which has
> no relevance in to-day's lingo.
>
> >m h o
> > v =83e
>
> > u s o - until everyone comes home

5I are you showing your age?

Date: 03 Sep 2006 12:51:08
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Someone is badmouthing golf? Let's kick his ass!

Oh wait, we're golfers......we can't even kick our own asses.

Date: 03 Sep 2006 07:29:13
From: boo-radley
Subject: Re: "Golf is a rich-man activity which destroys mother earth!"

Those are justtifiable claims, but there is also the fact that as
opposed to other fully paved developements (malls, housing, , golf
courses do serve in an urban landscape as wildlife habitat, (in CO I've
seen elk, mule deer, fox, coyote a host of unique song birds) some
greenspace, and many courses are moving to a more natural regime of
management, ecological out of bounds areas including wetlands, less
chemicals, in the southwest xeroscaping, and more native grasses are
being tried. So in balance I'm less upset about a golf course then a
clear cut for more asphalt any day, so if done intelligentlly it
doesn't have to be a net loss for MN, especially at the edges of urban
sprawl.
John B. wrote:
> fredarn@gmail.com wrote:
> > In norway this days, a stupid, stupid farmer, who wrote an article
> > about golf in the magazine "NATIONEN" (http://www.nationen.no) have
> > created a massive discussion, mostly against the farmer.
> >
> > I thought i should show some international people how stupid a
> > norwegian farmer can be:
> >
> >
> > Quote from a very stupid norwegian man, named Olav Randen:
> > "Golf is a rich-man activity, which is played by very few people
> > worldwide. And it destroys mother earth. "
> >
> > "It is because the golf courses and the beaches that the tsunami killed
> > so many people in Thailand in 2004... The stats comes from indian
> > scientist"
> >
> > - He doesn't mention what scientist, in other words: Pure BULLSHIT!
> >
> >
> > If you understand norwegian, or have a tool to translate it - you can
> > read the article here:
> > http://www.nationen.no/meninger/gjestekommentar/article2249471.ece
> >
> >
> > Bon apetit!
>
>
> Well, Fred, if you drain a wetland or level a forest to build a golf
> course, which you then maintain with chemical herbicides and
> pesticides, it is not exactly a net gain for Mother Nature.