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Date: 29 Oct 2006 17:28:37
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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dude!
Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
Scott
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 10:39:57
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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S McFarlane wrote:
> dude!
>
> Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
> Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
> 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
> the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
>
> Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
>
> Scott
DST is being expanded by a month in 2007. It will run from like March
11 to Nov 7. Something like that. I wish they'd just make it
year-round.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:16:16
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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>DST is being expanded by a month in 2007. It will run from like March
>11 to Nov 7. Something like that. I wish they'd just make it
>year-round.
The only reason it works at all is because people are fooled into
thinking it is real. Make it year-round and people go to work at
8:00 instead of 7:00. (Or for people outside of the West, 10:00
instead of 9:00).
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 16:20:12
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sun, 29 2006 17:28:37 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> >silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
> >Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> >last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> >last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
> >2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
> >the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
>
> What difference does the time on the clock make? I go to work early,
> allowing me to leave early to play golf.
Let's see, to play 9 holes this time of year, I'd have to tee off at 3,
leaving at 2:30 at best (no decent courses around my work). Can you
handle the phone calls from the people that want to have meetings with
my from 2:30-4:30? Thanks Howard!
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 02:00:22
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 29 2006 16:20:12 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>> What difference does the time on the clock make? I go to work early,
>> allowing me to leave early to play golf.
>
>Let's see, to play 9 holes this time of year, I'd have to tee off at 3,
>leaving at 2:30 at best (no decent courses around my work). Can you
>handle the phone calls from the people that want to have meetings with
>my from 2:30-4:30? Thanks Howard!
Of course when customers call from 3 time zones to the east, it is
nice to have someone at your work available to talk to them. Or if
you give support 24 hours per day, it is good to have people at work
at all hours.
The local clock should not be in charge of a business.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 21:09:43
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 29 2006 16:20:12 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> What difference does the time on the clock make? I go to work early,
>>> allowing me to leave early to play golf.
>> Let's see, to play 9 holes this time of year, I'd have to tee off at 3,
>> leaving at 2:30 at best (no decent courses around my work). Can you
>> handle the phone calls from the people that want to have meetings with
>> my from 2:30-4:30? Thanks Howard!
>
> Of course when customers call from 3 time zones to the east, it is
> nice to have someone at your work available to talk to them. Or if
> you give support 24 hours per day, it is good to have people at work
> at all hours.
>
> The local clock should not be in charge of a business.
Australia
India
Europe
USA
The world is covered.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 16:16:05
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> S McFarlane <spam@nothanks.com> wrote:
> : dude!
> :
> : Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> : silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
> : Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> : last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> : last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
> : 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
> : the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
> :
> : Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> : overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
>
> Yeah, but here's the counterargument. You're in Texas, as am I,
> where's it's hotter than freaking hell all summer long. Because
> of DST, you get home from work an hour earlier (and an hour
> hotter), increasing your electric bill; the Rangers start an hour
> earlier (and an hour hotter), making ballgames less than pleasant;
> 4th of July fireworks start an hour later, keeping kids up later
> than necessary... etc., yadda yadda, ad infinitum ad nauseum.
>
> I don't mind waking up an hour earlier for golf. Of course, soon
> we'll be into frost season and that won't be practical, so your
> point is well taken in that regard. But I think DST has the opposite
> of the intended effect in Texas, and should be abolished outright.
Why doesn't Texas abolish it, like Arizona?
-Greg
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:32:32
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
:
: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > S McFarlane <spam@nothanks.com> wrote:
: > : dude!
: > :
: > : Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
: > : silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
: > : Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
: > : last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
: > : last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
: > : 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
: > : the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
: > :
: > : Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
: > : overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
: >
: > Yeah, but here's the counterargument. You're in Texas, as am I,
: > where's it's hotter than freaking hell all summer long. Because
: > of DST, you get home from work an hour earlier (and an hour
: > hotter), increasing your electric bill; the Rangers start an hour
: > earlier (and an hour hotter), making ballgames less than pleasant;
: > 4th of July fireworks start an hour later, keeping kids up later
: > than necessary... etc., yadda yadda, ad infinitum ad nauseum.
: >
: > I don't mind waking up an hour earlier for golf. Of course, soon
: > we'll be into frost season and that won't be practical, so your
: > point is well taken in that regard. But I think DST has the opposite
: > of the intended effect in Texas, and should be abolished outright.
:
: Why doesn't Texas abolish it, like Arizona?
Beats me, man. Beats me.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 17:58:57
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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> : Why doesn't Texas abolish it, like Arizona?
Not all of Arizona ignores daylight savings time. The Northeast corner of
Arizona still has DST.
The reason that most of Arizona does not have DST is that they are so far
west, and so far south, that already get about 45 minutes of extra daylight
without even switching to DST.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:14:32
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On Sun, 29 2006 17:28:37 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com >
wrote:
>Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
>silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
>Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
>last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
>last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
>2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
>the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
What difference does the time on the clock make? I go to work early,
allowing me to leave early to play golf.
I'd prefer everybody went on Zulu time.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:20:37
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:8rgak2pjn9thodidigdb1m4dlbeq31kgmi@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 29 2006 17:28:37 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
>>silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time):
>>1:45.
>>Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
>>last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
>>last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were
>>abolished:
>>2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
>>the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
>
> What difference does the time on the clock make? I go to work early,
> allowing me to leave early to play golf.
>
> I'd prefer everybody went on Zulu time.
I'm not a morning sort of guy. If I go to work early enough to get in 8
hours at the office and 18 holes after, I won't want to do anything but
sleep by noon. I'd still go play golf, because I'm a golf freak, but I
wouldn't enjoy it very much. Also, my schedule is more flexible than a lot
of people's, but not as much as it would need to be to get away with leaving
work at 1 on a regular basis. Leaving at 2 is not much better, but I can
probably leave around 2:30 without too many raised eyebrows and still have
some hope of finishing, and I could manage getting in at 6 am for such a
worthy cause. 5 am doesn't compute for me.
So the time on the clock matters because the rest of the world is tied to
it.
Scott
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 13:00:02
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On Mon, 30 2006 05:20:37 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com >
wrote:
>I'm not a morning sort of guy. If I go to work early enough to get in 8
>hours at the office and 18 holes after, I won't want to do anything but
>sleep by noon. I'd still go play golf, because I'm a golf freak, but I
>wouldn't enjoy it very much. Also, my schedule is more flexible than a lot
>of people's, but not as much as it would need to be to get away with leaving
>work at 1 on a regular basis. Leaving at 2 is not much better, but I can
>probably leave around 2:30 without too many raised eyebrows and still have
>some hope of finishing, and I could manage getting in at 6 am for such a
>worthy cause. 5 am doesn't compute for me.
>
>So the time on the clock matters because the rest of the world is tied to
>it.
Whether you are a morning guy or not - changing the time on the clock
does not change reality. How does moving the clock up or back make
it easier or harder to get up?
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 07:28:15
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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S McFarlane wrote:
> "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
> news:8rgak2pjn9thodidigdb1m4dlbeq31kgmi@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 29 2006 17:28:37 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
>>> silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time):
>>> 1:45.
>>> Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
>>> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
>>> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were
>>> abolished:
>>> 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
>>> the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
>> What difference does the time on the clock make? I go to work early,
>> allowing me to leave early to play golf.
>>
>> I'd prefer everybody went on Zulu time.
>
> I'm not a morning sort of guy. If I go to work early enough to get in 8
> hours at the office and 18 holes after, I won't want to do anything but
> sleep by noon. I'd still go play golf, because I'm a golf freak, but I
> wouldn't enjoy it very much. Also, my schedule is more flexible than a lot
> of people's, but not as much as it would need to be to get away with leaving
> work at 1 on a regular basis. Leaving at 2 is not much better, but I can
> probably leave around 2:30 without too many raised eyebrows and still have
> some hope of finishing, and I could manage getting in at 6 am for such a
> worthy cause. 5 am doesn't compute for me.
Got to work for 4 hours and then go play golf.
> So the time on the clock matters because the rest of the world is tied to
> it.
>
> Scott
>
>
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 15:40:51
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> S McFarlane <spam@nothanks.com> wrote:
> : dude!
> :
> : Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> : silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
> : Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> : last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> : last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
> : 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
> : the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
> :
> : Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> : overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
>
> Yeah, but here's the counterargument. You're in Texas, as am I,
> where's it's hotter than freaking hell all summer long. Because
> of DST, you get home from work an hour earlier (and an hour
> hotter), increasing your electric bill; the Rangers start an hour
> earlier (and an hour hotter), making ballgames less than pleasant;
> 4th of July fireworks start an hour later, keeping kids up later
> than necessary... etc., yadda yadda, ad infinitum ad nauseum.
But none of that has anything to do with playing more golf!!
Here in MI, Summer's are great because the longest day it doesn't get
dark until around 9:20. But today, it was dark around 5:30.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:59:55
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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S McFarlane <spam@nothanks.com > wrote:
: dude!
:
: Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
: silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
: Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
: last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
: last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
: 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
: the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
:
: Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
: overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
Yeah, but here's the counterargument. You're in Texas, as am I,
where's it's hotter than freaking hell all summer long. Because
of DST, you get home from work an hour earlier (and an hour
hotter), increasing your electric bill; the Rangers start an hour
earlier (and an hour hotter), making ballgames less than pleasant;
4th of July fireworks start an hour later, keeping kids up later
than necessary... etc., yadda yadda, ad infinitum ad nauseum.
I don't mind waking up an hour earlier for golf. Of course, soon
we'll be into frost season and that won't be practical, so your
point is well taken in that regard. But I think DST has the opposite
of the intended effect in Texas, and should be abolished outright.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:32:43
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:1T3j5idoIldkN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>
> Yeah, but here's the counterargument. You're in Texas, as am I,
> where's it's hotter than freaking hell all summer long. Because
> of DST, you get home from work an hour earlier (and an hour
> hotter), increasing your electric bill; the Rangers start an hour
> earlier (and an hour hotter), making ballgames less than pleasant;
> 4th of July fireworks start an hour later, keeping kids up later
> than necessary... etc., yadda yadda, ad infinitum ad nauseum.
I've got people at home all day long during the summer, and they're a lot
more fond of cool air-conditioned rooms than I am, so I don't think DST does
anything to my electric bills. Also, most of the electricity gets burned at
the workplace. I'd guess that a lot of offices don't adjust their
thermostats at closing time in any case, but if they did, they'd be better
off doing it at 4 pm CST. That is exactly what they would do thanks to good
ol' CDT. As for the heat, there just ain't any escaping it in the Texas
summer. I guess I don't have any imagination, so I don't even try to.
I'd be happy as a clam if they'd just reverse the DST plan. Fall forward
and spring back sounds like a winner to me. Golf time!
>
> I don't mind waking up an hour earlier for golf. Of course, soon
> we'll be into frost season and that won't be practical, so your
> point is well taken in that regard. But I think DST has the opposite
> of the intended effect in Texas, and should be abolished outright.
>
I don't know what it's intended effect is. As far as I know, the intended
effect is to interfere with my addiction.
Scott
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 09:41:25
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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BigPurdueFan wrote:
> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> > S McFarlane wrote:
> > > dude!
> > >
> > > Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> > > silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
> > > Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> > > last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> > > last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
> > > 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
> > > the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
> > >
> > > Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> > > overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
> > >
> > > Scott
> >
> > DST is being expanded by a month in 2007. It will run from like March
> > 11 to Nov 7. Something like that. I wish they'd just make it
> > year-round.
>
> The problem here is that it doesn't get light until after 8 AM now
> (well, 7 AM since yesterday) and wouldn't be until 8:30 AM. Most
> people don't want their children going to school in the dark.
That's not really a very good reason to do or not do anything...
They don't have any problem with them playing outside in the dark this
time of year... what's the big difference?
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 09:38:30
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 30 2006 05:24:46 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
>
> >That's a sweet deal and I was able to do that for about 10-15 years...
> >not so anymore. My work is 8:00 - 4:30 and they won't change those
> >numbers so all I have left is DST... In the summer It's shouldn't bet
> >dark unil between 11:00 and 11:30 pm. Adjust it there and leave it
> >there... I'd be happy. :)
>
> It probably would be easier for your work to move an hour than your
> time zone.
It won't work for just Eastern Kentucky University to change it's
working hours from 8:00-4:30 to 7:00-3:30. There are a lot of other
businesses that have to follow suite. In the end is is cleaner to
change the time.
But like I say, if anyone can get us more light at the end of the day
year round... I'm all for ya.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:20:53
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 30 2006 09:38:30 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
>It won't work for just Eastern Kentucky University to change it's
>working hours from 8:00-4:30 to 7:00-3:30. There are a lot of other
>businesses that have to follow suite.
Why?
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:20:16
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 30 2006 09:38:30 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
>But like I say, if anyone can get us more light at the end of the day
>year round... I'm all for ya.
The end of the day is either sundown or midnight depending on your
definition.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:38:03
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote:
: The end of the day is either sundown or midnight depending on your
: definition.
And to think that some people say you post too much.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 18:37:49
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
>
> : The end of the day is either sundown or midnight depending on your
> : definition.
>
> And to think that some people say you post too much.
>
Howard Brazee? Never heard of him...
oh wait, I just looked up "Get A Life" in the dictionary and there was
his picture...
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 07:12:21
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> S McFarlane wrote:
> > dude!
> >
> > Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> > silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
> > Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> > last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> > last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
> > 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
> > the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
> >
> > Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> > overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
> >
> > Scott
>
> DST is being expanded by a month in 2007. It will run from like March
> 11 to Nov 7. Something like that. I wish they'd just make it
> year-round.
The problem here is that it doesn't get light until after 8 AM now
(well, 7 AM since yesterday) and wouldn't be until 8:30 AM. Most
people don't want their children going to school in the dark.
OTOH, while we do save energy in the morning, we waste it that night,
so I don't see any net savings. It would be interesting to see if any
research has actually been done on this.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:19:16
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 30 2006 07:12:21 -0800, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com >
wrote:
>The problem here is that it doesn't get light until after 8 AM now
>(well, 7 AM since yesterday) and wouldn't be until 8:30 AM. Most
>people don't want their children going to school in the dark.
When they had year round daylight savings time, that was the big
complaint, especially from people in the north.
>OTOH, while we do save energy in the morning, we waste it that night,
>so I don't see any net savings. It would be interesting to see if any
>research has actually been done on this.
It's a political issue. People continued to get up in the dark and
go to bed in the dark during the winter, using energy both ways.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 08:50:24
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Leave it to whitey to think he can control time.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:31:17
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 30 2006 05:20:37 GMT, "S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I'm not a morning sort of guy. If I go to work early enough to get in 8
> >hours at the office and 18 holes after, I won't want to do anything but
> >sleep by noon. I'd still go play golf, because I'm a golf freak, but I
> >wouldn't enjoy it very much. Also, my schedule is more flexible than a lot
> >of people's, but not as much as it would need to be to get away with leaving
> >work at 1 on a regular basis. Leaving at 2 is not much better, but I can
> >probably leave around 2:30 without too many raised eyebrows and still have
> >some hope of finishing, and I could manage getting in at 6 am for such a
> >worthy cause. 5 am doesn't compute for me.
> >
> >So the time on the clock matters because the rest of the world is tied to
> >it.
>
> Whether you are a morning guy or not - changing the time on the clock
> does not change reality. How does moving the clock up or back make
> it easier or harder to get up?
You are right that they are just numbers... arbitrary numbers. But as
someone else said the rest of the world is tied to them. What is hard
is the shifting. Takes me a week or two every spring and fall to adjust
to the new time. Once adjusted, it's not a problem. I'm all for as much
daylight at the end of the day as possible... year round. You just
can't do anything (that requires light) after work around here in fall.
Once the time changes, it's dark before you get home. I'd like to stay
on DST year round.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 13:51:24
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 30 2006 05:31:17 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
>You are right that they are just numbers... arbitrary numbers. But as
>someone else said the rest of the world is tied to them. What is hard
>is the shifting. Takes me a week or two every spring and fall to adjust
>to the new time. Once adjusted, it's not a problem. I'm all for as much
>daylight at the end of the day as possible... year round. You just
>can't do anything (that requires light) after work around here in fall.
> Once the time changes, it's dark before you get home. I'd like to stay
>on DST year round.
China has one time zone. If the U.S. had one time zone, or if the
world had one time zone, we would learn to expect sunrise and sunset
at different times. TV sports fans are already part way there.
One reason Colorado got the Rockies is that MLB learned that Colorado
workers tend to work earlier in the day than New York workers. That
meant they had more flexibility in scheduling national broadcast
games.
People in Colorado spend more time outdoors, which may be why they
work earlier. I spend more time outdoors than most Coloradoans so
I'm at work at 6:30 in the morning. I don't want to waste daylight
while I'm still asleep.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 07:20:31
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:qb0ck2hp9a9mkcec2tgee9cc9op4nah9l0@4ax.com...
> One reason Colorado got the Rockies is that MLB learned that Colorado
> workers tend to work earlier in the day than New York workers. That
> meant they had more flexibility in scheduling national broadcast
> games.
Howard, what are you smoking?
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 14:29:00
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On Mon, 30 2006 07:20:31 -0700, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com >
wrote:
>> One reason Colorado got the Rockies is that MLB learned that Colorado
>> workers tend to work earlier in the day than New York workers. That
>> meant they had more flexibility in scheduling national broadcast
>> games.
>
>
>Howard, what are you smoking?
That's what the Colorado newspapers reported at the time.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:24:46
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
>
> What difference does the time on the clock make? I go to work early,
> allowing me to leave early to play golf.
>
> I'd prefer everybody went on Zulu time.
That's a sweet deal and I was able to do that for about 10-15 years...
not so anymore. My work is 8:00 - 4:30 and they won't change those
numbers so all I have left is DST... In the summer It's shouldn't bet
dark unil between 11:00 and 11:30 pm. Adjust it there and leave it
there... I'd be happy. :)
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 13:52:22
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 30 2006 05:24:46 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
>That's a sweet deal and I was able to do that for about 10-15 years...
>not so anymore. My work is 8:00 - 4:30 and they won't change those
>numbers so all I have left is DST... In the summer It's shouldn't bet
>dark unil between 11:00 and 11:30 pm. Adjust it there and leave it
>there... I'd be happy. :)
It probably would be easier for your work to move an hour than your
time zone.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:19:58
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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> I don't know what it's intended effect is. As far as I know, the intended
> effect is to interfere with my addiction.
They claim it save the country a $H!+L)@D in energy... true or not... I
don't know.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 05:15:46
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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S McFarlane wrote:
> dude!
>
> Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time): 1:45.
> Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were abolished:
> 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work at 4 am in
> the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
>
> Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
>
> Scott
If you can get it on the ballots... you got my vote. I hate it. In fact
I'll vote for super daylightsavings... push it another hour. :) We
should work when it's dark and play when it's light.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:40:40
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 29, 11:28 am, "S McFarlane" <s...@nothanks.com > wrote:
>
> Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
I think you are going to have a hard time selling this to parents
of school age kids. Not too many want their kids to walk to school
in the dark all winter.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 14:24:04
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162269640.481625.149370@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> On 29, 11:28 am, "S McFarlane" <s...@nothanks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
>> overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
>
> I think you are going to have a hard time selling this to parents
> of school age kids. Not too many want their kids to walk to school
> in the dark all winter.
>
People still let there kids walk to school? I thought the newly invented
boogie man forced them all to be accompanied...
Scott
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 23:22:45
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Hey, take heart. Starting next year, we get three additional weeks of DST.
Randy
"S McFarlane" <spam@nothanks.com > wrote in message
news:9x51h.935$CT5.299@trnddc02...
> dude!
>
> Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish, now that we're back to
> silly-time-keeping (dark-when-I-leave, dark-when-I-arrive-home time):
> 1:45. Estimated last-tee-time-sure-to-finish yesterday: 2:45. Estimated
> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21: 1:30. Estimated
> last-tee-time-sure-to-finish on Dec 21 if silly-time-keeping were
> abolished: 2:30. Says it all. I guess I could always start going to work
> at 4 am in the winter. Or maybe I should just move to Sao Luiz.
>
> Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
>
> Scott
>
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:38:34
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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> >OTOH, while we do save energy in the morning, we waste it that night,
> >so I don't see any net savings. It would be interesting to see if any
> >research has actually been done on this.
>
> It's a political issue. People continued to get up in the dark and
> go to bed in the dark during the winter, using energy both ways.
That's what I was trying to say. The hour you save in energy each
morning is wasted between 5:30 (sunset here in mid-December) and 6:30
each evening.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 02:26:03
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 30 2006 17:38:34 -0800, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com >
wrote:
>> It's a political issue. People continued to get up in the dark and
>> go to bed in the dark during the winter, using energy both ways.
>
>That's what I was trying to say. The hour you save in energy each
>morning is wasted between 5:30 (sunset here in mid-December) and 6:30
>each evening.
There was a cartoon where Nixon? proposed giving us bigger blankets by
cutting off the bottom and sewing them to the top.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:27:25
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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S McFarlane wrote:
> "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162269640.481625.149370@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > On 29, 11:28 am, "S McFarlane" <s...@nothanks.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Abolish silly-time-keeping (a.k.a. standard time) and
> >> overextended-hyphenated-phrases!!!
> >
> > I think you are going to have a hard time selling this to parents
> > of school age kids. Not too many want their kids to walk to school
> > in the dark all winter.
> >
>
> People still let there kids walk to school? I thought the newly invented
> boogie man forced them all to be accompanied...
I see some here walking in small groups usually. But they live really
close to the shool and there is a crosing guard there as well. Mos kids
around here ride a bus or get driven by their parents.
I don't see going to school in the dark as being any worse than playing
in the dark after school all over the neighborhood... where am I wrong?
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 03:21:34
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 31 2006 10:27:25 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
>I don't see going to school in the dark as being any worse than playing
>in the dark after school all over the neighborhood... where am I wrong?
Some people don't mind if their kids play in the dark. Others mind a
lot, especially if they are young children. The latter are the ones
who complained about being forced to have their children go to school
in the dark.
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:23:13
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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"R&B" wrote:
> Hey, take heart. Starting next year, we get three additional weeks of DST.
>
> Randy
That's a move in th right direction anyway... :)
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 05:12:36
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 31 2006 10:27:25 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
>
> >I don't see going to school in the dark as being any worse than playing
> >in the dark after school all over the neighborhood... where am I wrong?
>
> Some people don't mind if their kids play in the dark. Others mind a
> lot, especially if they are young children. The latter are the ones
> who complained about being forced to have their children go to school
> in the dark.
But if I were someone in power (which obviously, I'm not), I would
disregard anyone with that kind of conflicted thinking... :) If you let
your kids play outside unsupervised in the dark, you forfiet your right
to complain about them having to other things outside in the dark. :)
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 23:28:37
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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On 1 Nov 2006 05:12:36 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
>> Some people don't mind if their kids play in the dark. Others mind a
>> lot, especially if they are young children. The latter are the ones
>> who complained about being forced to have their children go to school
>> in the dark.
>
>But if I were someone in power (which obviously, I'm not), I would
>disregard anyone with that kind of conflicted thinking... :) If you let
>your kids play outside unsupervised in the dark, you forfiet your right
>to complain about them having to other things outside in the dark. :)
I keep seeing people who claim that the Republicans or the Democrats
are hypocritical because there are members who say one thing and other
members who say another thing. Same thing here - some people are
bothered enough about sending their children to school in the dark
that they will no longer vote for you.
The parents who let their children play in the dark couldn't care
less.
These are *different* people. They don't have to be consistent with
each other.
Some people slice, some people duck hook. How can we teach anything
to such an inconsistent set of golfers? By not assuming that
everybody is the same - ready for Larry's newest revelation.
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Date: 01 Nov 2006 16:17:58
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Daylight Savings rocks; Standard time sux,
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On 1 Nov 2006 05:12:36 -0800, "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
>
> >> Some people don't mind if their kids play in the dark. Others mind a
> >> lot, especially if they are young children. The latter are the ones
> >> who complained about being forced to have their children go to school
> >> in the dark.
> >
> >But if I were someone in power (which obviously, I'm not), I would
> >disregard anyone with that kind of conflicted thinking... :) If you let
> >your kids play outside unsupervised in the dark, you forfiet your right
> >to complain about them having to other things outside in the dark. :)
>
> I keep seeing people who claim that the Republicans or the Democrats
> are hypocritical because there are members who say one thing and other
> members who say another thing. Same thing here - some people are
> bothered enough about sending their children to school in the dark
> that they will no longer vote for you.
Doesn't matter... if I can fool them just once I'm in forever... take a
look at Ted Kennedy or (one of the republican lifers). We never are
successful at voting out the rif-raft on either side of the isle... and
there's plenty of it.
>
> The parents who let their children play in the dark couldn't care
> less.
>
> These are *different* people. They don't have to be consistent with
> each other.
I'm not buying that... I say there is some overlap... :) Doesnt' really
matter though because I don't necessarily find letting young kids walk
to school (unattended) in daylight to be acceptable in this day and age
either. :)
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