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Date: 18 Aug 2006 06:26:31
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Damn, these guys can putt
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I really need to focus on putting. Shot 78 Wednesday, hitting 12/18
GIRs. I think I hit 9/13 FWs. No penalties, but 3 3-jacks. Had 34
putts, only 1 birdie. Worse putting outing since I cut my putter down
(my average has been down, however). My average putts/round this year
is up a bit (I AM hitting more GIR this year, though) to a paltry
32.31. My birdie average has NOT gone up over last year, even though
I'm getting more chances. I don't think I'm chipping any worse,
either. The two 3-putts here out of character, but I'm just not
rolling those birds in like I've done in the past.
Looking at the PGA stats, #200 is 30.49!!!
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 10:00:07
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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muk wrote:
> On 18 Aug 2006 09:31:27 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Shit, I play 4 times a week, so practice isn't an issue.
>
> Play four times a week? To quote Pflum, "you are dead to me."
In a slow week ;-)
Took Wednesday off, played 36.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 09:54:09
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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dugjustdug wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > I'm really not sure how to "learn" how to read greens better. Shit, I
> > play 4 times a week, so practice isn't an issue.
>
> This is going to sound really wierd, but, have you thought about
> getting one of those video golf games? They place a grid on the green
> showing slopes and undulations when the player is analysing the putt.
I used to play Links 2000 a bunch. Sometimes I'll get over a putt and
have no clue as to which way it's breaking, let alone how much.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 16:49:18
From: Scott McReynolds
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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In article <1155907591.271859.290630@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I really need to focus on putting. Shot 78 Wednesday, hitting 12/18
> GIRs. I think I hit 9/13 FWs. No penalties, but 3 3-jacks. Had 34
> putts, only 1 birdie. Worse putting outing since I cut my putter down
> (my average has been down, however). My average putts/round this year
> is up a bit (I AM hitting more GIR this year, though) to a paltry
> 32.31. My birdie average has NOT gone up over last year, even though
> I'm getting more chances. I don't think I'm chipping any worse,
> either. The two 3-putts here out of character, but I'm just not
> rolling those birds in like I've done in the past.
>
> Looking at the PGA stats, #200 is 30.49!!!
I feel your pain. Had three 3-putt bogeys yesterday including the 2nd
and 3rd holes! It was at Eagle Ridge in Gilroy, CA. A Johnny Miller
design that is pretty tough, put still, I slapped it around pretty good.
My next golf lessons will definitely by on putting.
--- ScottMac
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 09:39:27
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I'm really not sure how to "learn" how to read greens better. Shit, I
> play 4 times a week, so practice isn't an issue.
This is going to sound really wierd, but, have you thought about
getting one of those video golf games? They place a grid on the green
showing slopes and undulations when the player is analysing the putt.
I used to goof around with those things before I started actually
playing the gemme, but, I always look at a green that way when I'm
reading it. Comparing the result of my stroke to what I had read
helped me refine future strokes. While I'm not a *great* putter, I'm
not too bad. My mistakes are usually speed-related rather than
directional.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 09:31:27
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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> > Looking at the PGA stats, #200 is 30.49!!!
>
> That's because they hit their approaches closer and chip closer when
> they do miss a green. After his chip shot Tiger often faces either a
> tap-in or a 2-4 footer for par. Contrast that with most amateurs who
> spend the day trying to make 10-12 footers after their chips (or first
> putts).
>
> How many strokes per round could you save if you eliminated all
> 3-putts? So work on that first. That's mostly feel.
I looked at my last 10 rounds, and I'm average 1.2 3-putts a round.
My average GIR during that time is 8/18. My par save is 43%. I play
on pretty tough greens. Not overly huge, but pretty fast and
undulating.
I wish I had a quick way to measure my first putt distance besides
pacing it off.
I think my main problem is reading greens. I played in a scramble last
Friday. I putted last, and I made 6/8 putts, 4 of which were over 15
feet. Now, granted, it makes it a hell of a lot easier when you see
the ball roll 3 times, but I think that says something for my stroke.
I'm really not sure how to "learn" how to read greens better. Shit, I
play 4 times a week, so practice isn't an issue.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 16:57:00
From: muk
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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On 18 Aug 2006 09:31:27 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> Shit, I play 4 times a week, so practice isn't an issue.
Play four times a week? To quote Pflum, "you are dead to me."
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 09:07:38
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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Larry Bud wrote:
>
> Looking at the PGA stats, #200 is 30.49!!!
That's because they hit their approaches closer and chip closer when
they do miss a green. After his chip shot Tiger often faces either a
tap-in or a 2-4 footer for par. Contrast that with most amateurs who
spend the day trying to make 10-12 footers after their chips (or first
putts).
How many strokes per round could you save if you eliminated all
3-putts? So work on that first. That's mostly feel. After that,
concentrate on getting the ball closer to the hole, either through
improved iron play or better chipping. As five-iron tells us, "A short
putt will find the target more often than a long one."
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 08:17:30
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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Larry Bud wrote:
> I really need to focus on putting. Shot 78 Wednesday, hitting 12/18
> GIRs. I think I hit 9/13 FWs.
Wow, Larry. 12 Greens ain't too shabby. RE: The Putting - a thread
floated around a couple of weeks ago about having the mindset of making
*every* putt you stand over. Don't just lag them, but, make them.
I decided to give that a serious try and had several very good rounds
(for me) come quickly. Part of the regular repartee now. Maybe
that'll help.
$0.02
dug
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 07:54:18
From: Booker Little
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155907591.271859.290630@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>I really need to focus on putting. Shot 78 Wednesday, hitting 12/18
> GIRs. I think I hit 9/13 FWs. No penalties, but 3 3-jacks. Had 34
> putts, only 1 birdie. Worse putting outing since I cut my putter down
> (my average has been down, however). My average putts/round this year
> is up a bit (I AM hitting more GIR this year, though) to a paltry
> 32.31. My birdie average has NOT gone up over last year, even though
> I'm getting more chances. I don't think I'm chipping any worse,
> either. The two 3-putts here out of character, but I'm just not
> rolling those birds in like I've done in the past.
>
> Looking at the PGA stats, #200 is 30.49!!!
If you could putt on greens as perfect as the pros play, your putting would
improve at once.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 15:29:20
From: Matt
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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"Booker Little" <bookerlives@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:ec4kai01oj0@news1.newsguy.com...
>
> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155907591.271859.290630@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>I really need to focus on putting. Shot 78 Wednesday, hitting 12/18
>> GIRs. I think I hit 9/13 FWs. No penalties, but 3 3-jacks. Had 34
>> putts, only 1 birdie. Worse putting outing since I cut my putter down
>> (my average has been down, however). My average putts/round this year
>> is up a bit (I AM hitting more GIR this year, though) to a paltry
>> 32.31. My birdie average has NOT gone up over last year, even though
>> I'm getting more chances. I don't think I'm chipping any worse,
>> either. The two 3-putts here out of character, but I'm just not
>> rolling those birds in like I've done in the past.
>>
>> Looking at the PGA stats, #200 is 30.49!!!
>
> If you could putt on greens as perfect as the pros play, your putting
> would improve at once
I totally disagree with that.....
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 22:04:07
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:54:18 -0700, "Booker Little"
<bookerlives@earthlink.net > wrote:
> If you could putt on greens as perfect as the pros play, your putting would
>improve at once.
I tried it, and it wasn't easy.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 13:47:58
From: muk
Subject: Re: Damn, these guys can putt
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On 18 Aug 2006 06:26:31 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com > :
>I really need to focus on putting. Shot 78 Wednesday, hitting 12/18
>GIRs. I think I hit 9/13 FWs. No penalties, but 3 3-jacks. Had 34
>putts, only 1 birdie. Worse putting outing since I cut my putter down
>(my average has been down, however). My average putts/round this year
>is up a bit (I AM hitting more GIR this year, though) to a paltry
>32.31. My birdie average has NOT gone up over last year, even though
>I'm getting more chances. I don't think I'm chipping any worse,
>either. The two 3-putts here out of character, but I'm just not
>rolling those birds in like I've done in the past.
>
>Looking at the PGA stats, #200 is 30.49!!!
nice shooting otherwise. i played last week after cutting my 2 ball
down to 33" and putting on a thicker grip. i usually grip the putter
waaay down anyway, so it feels good. i find i have been leaving putts
short since cutting it down. i wonder if some lead tape may solve the
issue. shot 86 on wednesday, good ball striking, but 35 putts,
including 2 3putts and a number of missed oportunities for 1 putts.
don't think anyone on any tour averages 35 putts :P
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