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Date: 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35
From: larry
Subject: Cut and Run consequences coming
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This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
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"Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
a terrorist's terrorist.
He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
joining a winning cause.
Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
Korea and Iran with negotiation."
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2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 13:58:50
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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Another OT, cut and paste, from our resident political expert. Larry
"the polls are all wrong - the tide is turning" Whitaker.
Move on nw to avoind polluting your brain.
William Clark
In article <4r9hl2d6mr5ua4r44pj6n4blur78c3n6lb@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> a terrorist's terrorist.
>
> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>
> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> joining a winning cause.
>
> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>
> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>
> Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 12:08:08
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:58:50 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@nospamosu.edu > wrote:
>
>Move on nw to avoind polluting your brain.
"nw" "avoind" ???
Larry (King of RSG)
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:26:10
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <o2khl2pheeqmfg8a5fgag6g6ssrem7gapo@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:58:50 -0500, "William A. T. Clark"
> <clark.31@nospamosu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >Move on nw to avoind polluting your brain.
>
> "nw" "avoind" ???
>
> Larry (King of RSG)
Good enough for your tripe. I have no more time to waste on people who
do nothing but cut and paste re-post.
William Clark
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:45:24
From: Joe-programmer
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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You're just dreaming. None of that really is the case. We're not at
war with anyone. 911 was an exception, a bunch of thugs. These things
happen, but it can't turn us into a military state on account of it.
We're a nation of peace, a peaceful giant. This is the way we want to
stay. That's why dems are on capital hill :)
larry wrote:
> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> a terrorist's terrorist.
>
> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>
> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> joining a winning cause.
>
> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>
> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>
> Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:55:07
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 10:45:24 -0800, "Joe-programmer" <jgrace5@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>You're just dreaming. None of that really is the case. We're not at
>war with anyone. 911 was an exception, a bunch of thugs. These things
>happen, but it can't turn us into a military state on account of it.
>We're a nation of peace, a peaceful giant. This is the way we want to
>stay. That's why dems are on capital hill :)
Before you lapse into complacency, you had better check out who
"Straffor" is and how credible their assessments. When they predict
something is going to happen, it happens.
Larry
>
>larry wrote:
>> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
>> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
>> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
>> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
>> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
>> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
>> a terrorist's terrorist.
>>
>> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
>> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
>> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
>> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
>> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
>> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
>> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
>> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
>> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
>> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
>> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
>> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>>
>> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
>> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
>> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
>> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
>> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
>> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
>> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
>> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
>> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
>> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
>> joining a winning cause.
>>
>> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
>> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
>> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
>> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
>> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>>
>> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
>> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
>> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
>> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
>> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
>> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
>> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
>> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
>> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
>> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
>> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
>> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>>
>> Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:56:06
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Flat wrist or dish angle?
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<curtjester1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163464690.543280.306640@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> George Hibbard wrote:
>> <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1163439203.739376.46420@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > I try not to think of any pulling at all on the downswing. There
>> > maybe
>> > a change of inertia on it's onset, and a tightening with say a body
>> > surge forward; but I like to think of better swings without a pulling
>> > action. And some swings actually push on the downswing, or slue, or
>> > are being released without pulling. What would the wrist be inclined
>> > to do then, if it has been looked at that way?
>> >
>> > CJ
>> >>
>> Maybe pulling isn't exactly what you experience, but you certainly MOVE
>> the
>> club somehow, and when it STARTS from the top, it surely is moving
>> lengthwise, tangent to the arc of the left hand. So that requires a VERY
>> good grip. Mine is compromised if the grip itself is not in line with
>> the
>> bones of my left arm the same as if I was hanging doing chinups: I simply
>> could not do them if I flattened OR cupped the wrist: the most natural
>> and
>> strongest relationship of the hand and bar would be with a dish angle.
>>
> I do move but as I sit here trying to think about it, it's more of a
> cadence of my arms and not so much a pulling. I believe if I have too
> good of a grip and pull it will be a negative effect since I cannot
> release and pull at the same time. I believe they negate each other. I
> believe I would be skidding into impact and setting myself up for a
> push if I didn't correct somewhere along the way. Anyhoo, I believe in
> light grip effectiveness to control my swing thoughts and steering. I
> also feel that initial speed of the wrists is unimportant on the
> downswing as too fast is going to jerk the shaft and clubhead instead
> of letting it come around on the arc. And too strong of a grip (as in
> tight tension) is hard to maintain coordination-wise while releasing.
> So, when I am up at the top and have to come down, I think of it more
> of a natural drop if there is such a thing than a violent overuse of my
> wrists.
>
> Your dish angle would be interesting to see live on the range. It's
> just too hard to see here to say I get it enough to go out and try your
> thought out on a next range session.
>
>
> CJ
>
FWIW, baseball big hitters have a cupped left wrist in the loadup of their
"backswing..." Not that they need to "square the clubhead," but they can
apply more torque that way! I don't recall ever seeing one with a flat left
wrist!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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larry wrote:
> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> a terrorist's terrorist.
>
> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>
> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> joining a winning cause.
>
> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>
> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>
> Larry
Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
But obviously -- and just as Rumsfeld said -- mere mortals like me are
not competent to understand such complicated questions. So, I'll leave
that to deep thinkers on foreign policy like you and the greatest
president since Abe Lincoln and trust you to do the right thing. I
hope you'll be able to keep us informed, so we don't have to rely on
the lying, liberal press. But I'm sure we'll all understand if the
sheer weight of your responsibility for keeping us safe from harm makes
it difficult for you to communicate on a regular basis. God bless you,
sir.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:46:25
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>larry wrote:
>> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
>> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
>> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
>> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
>> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
>> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
>> a terrorist's terrorist.
>>
>> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
>> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
>> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
>> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
>> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
>> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
>> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
>> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
>> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
>> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
>> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
>> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>>
>> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
>> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
>> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
>> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
>> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
>> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
>> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
>> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
>> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
>> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
>> joining a winning cause.
>>
>> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
>> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
>> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
>> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
>> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>>
>> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
>> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
>> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
>> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
>> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
>> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
>> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
>> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
>> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
>> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
>> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
>> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>>
>> Larry
>
>Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
>Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
that includes you.
Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
Larry,
Please shut up with political crap.
Thanks in advance.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
<nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>wrote:
>
>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>Larry,
>
>Please shut up with political crap.
The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
have a wife and family.
Larry (KING of RSG)
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 11:54:56
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>Larry,
>>
>>Please shut up with political crap.
>
>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
>
>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
>have a wife and family.
>
>Larry (KING of RSG)
The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
to you. As usual.
___,
\o
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 12:23:29
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:h9chl2ttrnsfavfh48b9ofc67ahl35qfd9@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
>><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>
>>>Larry,
>>>
>>>Please shut up with political crap.
>>
>>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
>>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
>>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
>>
>>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
>>have a wife and family.
>>
>>Larry (KING of RSG)
> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
> to you. As usual.
WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 - Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday to
use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in Iraq
within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration just
as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining
future strategy for the war.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 10:41:29
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:29 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:h9chl2ttrnsfavfh48b9ofc67ahl35qfd9@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
>>><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Larry,
>>>>
>>>>Please shut up with political crap.
>>>
>>>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
>>>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
>>>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
>>>
>>>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
>>>have a wife and family.
>>>
>>>Larry (KING of RSG)
>> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
>> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
>> to you. As usual.
>
>WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 - Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday to
>use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in Iraq
>within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration just
>as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining
>future strategy for the war.
Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
-ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
FINISH the democrats for generations.
Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 03:18:14
From: Lopez Gomez
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in
news:2oehl2hspn6c1d6h0bdk1ota9f2n79gq99@4ax.com:
>
> Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
> republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
> with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
> Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
> it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
> -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
> and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
>
> Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
> the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
> point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
> will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
> FINISH the democrats for generations.
>
> Larry
The very fact that Bin Laden is still alive and well... still able (5 years
after 9/11) to issue his proclamations... is itself the biggest possible
indictment of the hubris and incompetence of George W, Bush and his
administration, and the utterly botched job they have done in "keeping us
safe".
How does our presence in Iraq prevent Al Queda from launching another
attack here tomorrow? Your line of reasoning is completely absurd. You seem
to be implying that in Iraq, we have created some kind of "magic flypaper"
that has drawn in and trapped every Islamic terrorist in the world on the
soil of that Mid-Eastern country - that as long as we're "there" they can't
get us "here" - which is utter nonsense.
If anything, our continuing presence in Iraq... the complete waste of our
military resources and national treasure 4500 miles away from our
homeland... only makes it easier for terrorists to infiltrate and attack us
here. Those brave men and women who are serving and dying in Iraq would be
far better utilized right here in the U.S. of A... guarding our borders,
our ports and our cities.
How would you feel Larry, if law enforcement officials in San Diego county
decided to send 80% of their personnel down to Latin America to fight drug
lords on their "home turf". Do you think the streets of San Diego would be
safer? Do you think crime would decrease? Hardly! When the cat is away, you
know what the mice will do...
Afghanistan, in the weeks following the Al Queda attack on our soil, was a
completely different matter. We HAD an excellent chance of capturing Bin
Laden in Afghanistan 5 years ago... in the country which WAS the home base
of those who attacked us on 9/11 - We had the moral support of the world,
and the unqualified military assistance of dozens of allied nations (yes,
even France) in pursuing those who were responsible for the attacks on
9/11.
But Bush "cut and ran"... pulled out significant military resources before
the job was half done. At the time, (in Afghanistan) there was no
significant insurgency to deal with. In fact, the majority of everyday
Afghanis were appreciative of being delivered from the repression of the
Taliban. But noooo... Bush had to have his Iraq war.
Now, large numbers of Afghanis are turning once again to the Taliban, in
large measure because we have failed to follow through on our promises to
rebuild and secure their country. Instead we ran off to Iraq. And, of
course, Bin Laden himself is still alive and well to plot additional
attacks.
In Iraq, Bush has created hell on Earth. Created a horrible problem where
no problem previously existed. He has wasted the lives of almost 3000 of
our soldiers, and un-accounted-for billions of dollars of our GNP for
NOTHING, and in so doing, has seriously weakened our safety and security.
I'm sure Bin Laden is pleased. When it comes to terrorists, "we've got them
right where they want us."
I say these things as a proud military veteran, and a (former) Republican.
I am now an Independent, because today's Republican party bears no
resemblence to the party of Eisenhower, Goldwater (and even Nixon) where I
grew up, and where my core values were formed.
Lopez Gomez
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 23:22:01
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
Lopez Gomez wrote:
> How would you feel Larry, if law enforcement officials in San Diego
> county decided to send 80% of their personnel down to Latin America
> to fight drug lords on their "home turf".
If they get to bring back HOT latina war brides; I am going with them!
--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 03:44:12
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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Lopez Gomez wrote:
> in Iraq, we have created some kind of "magic flypaper"
> that has drawn in and trapped every Islamic terrorist in the world
Is that the theory where the fly lands on the domino and gets stuck?
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:58:33
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:18:14 GMT, Lopez Gomez
<albatross@eagleshite.com > wrote:
>larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote in
>news:2oehl2hspn6c1d6h0bdk1ota9f2n79gq99@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
>> republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
>> with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
>> Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
>> it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
>> -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
>> and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
>>
>> Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
>> the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
>> point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
>> will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
>> FINISH the democrats for generations.
>>
>> Larry
>
>The very fact that Bin Laden is still alive and well... still able (5 years
>after 9/11) to issue his proclamations... is itself the biggest possible
>indictment of the hubris and incompetence of George W, Bush and his
>administration, and the utterly botched job they have done in "keeping us
>safe".
>
>How does our presence in Iraq prevent Al Queda from launching another
>attack here tomorrow? Your line of reasoning is completely absurd. You seem
>to be implying that in Iraq, we have created some kind of "magic flypaper"
>that has drawn in and trapped every Islamic terrorist in the world on the
>soil of that Mid-Eastern country - that as long as we're "there" they can't
>get us "here" - which is utter nonsense.
>
>If anything, our continuing presence in Iraq... the complete waste of our
>military resources and national treasure 4500 miles away from our
>homeland... only makes it easier for terrorists to infiltrate and attack us
>here. Those brave men and women who are serving and dying in Iraq would be
>far better utilized right here in the U.S. of A... guarding our borders,
>our ports and our cities.
>
>How would you feel Larry, if law enforcement officials in San Diego county
>decided to send 80% of their personnel down to Latin America to fight drug
>lords on their "home turf". Do you think the streets of San Diego would be
>safer? Do you think crime would decrease? Hardly! When the cat is away, you
>know what the mice will do...
>
>Afghanistan, in the weeks following the Al Queda attack on our soil, was a
>completely different matter. We HAD an excellent chance of capturing Bin
>Laden in Afghanistan 5 years ago... in the country which WAS the home base
>of those who attacked us on 9/11 - We had the moral support of the world,
>and the unqualified military assistance of dozens of allied nations (yes,
>even France) in pursuing those who were responsible for the attacks on
>9/11.
>
>But Bush "cut and ran"... pulled out significant military resources before
>the job was half done. At the time, (in Afghanistan) there was no
>significant insurgency to deal with. In fact, the majority of everyday
>Afghanis were appreciative of being delivered from the repression of the
>Taliban. But noooo... Bush had to have his Iraq war.
>
>Now, large numbers of Afghanis are turning once again to the Taliban, in
>large measure because we have failed to follow through on our promises to
>rebuild and secure their country. Instead we ran off to Iraq. And, of
>course, Bin Laden himself is still alive and well to plot additional
>attacks.
>
>In Iraq, Bush has created hell on Earth. Created a horrible problem where
>no problem previously existed. He has wasted the lives of almost 3000 of
>our soldiers, and un-accounted-for billions of dollars of our GNP for
>NOTHING, and in so doing, has seriously weakened our safety and security.
>I'm sure Bin Laden is pleased. When it comes to terrorists, "we've got them
>right where they want us."
>
>I say these things as a proud military veteran, and a (former) Republican.
>I am now an Independent, because today's Republican party bears no
>resemblence to the party of Eisenhower, Goldwater (and even Nixon) where I
>grew up, and where my core values were formed.
>
>
>Lopez Gomez
You are a victim of the liberal media-- apparently believing what they
fed you without question. Why not read something and watch something
besides CNN? You might come to the realization that you now think
exactly what they want you to think. You just regurgitated the
liberal talking points verbatim!
My friends, marines on active duty back from Iraq tell a wildly
different story than the media- they say we have made a massive
differnce there, improved the lives of almost all the people. And
the people want us to stay.
But I fear shortly we will do what we did in Vietnam, abandon them and
then watch as those who tried to create a country are butchered.
The two paths are clear, Bush said we must 'stay the course' and hold
them there. Democrats want immediate withdrawal, fitting our pattern
in Vietnam, Somalia, and all the ignored attacks during Clinton's
administration. That show of weakness will embolden Al Queda and they
will begin attacks on the US Mainland. Remember, even after we leave
Iraq and Afghanistan and just hunker down, we are still Infidels and
we still must die (including the liberals).
Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 18:26:43
From: Weekendshooter
Subject: Re: Have you golf people ever missed on a tee?
|
Joe-programmer wrote:
> I can't believe that I've NEVER seen a golf player, either the mommy at
> the driving range, or the person in the tournament, miss a shot with
> the ball still lying in front of them.
<snip >
I did once...
Was on a biz trip and playing a new course in Redwing, Minnesota. The
leaves were falling, it was wet with dew galore. I was playing with a
rented set of clubs, and didn't have my spikes. It was a par three
and I had a full pitching wedge in mind. Backswing went well but
during the weight transfer from my right to left foot, my right foot
slide out horrifically. The club head missed the ball by at least a
foot.
The group was nice enough not to count the stroke but it took a good
part of at least four holes to get the grey space between the ears
plugged back in. Pretty much out of the pot after the front nine.
Awfully sorry round that day. Was better prepared the next trip we
took out the following summer...
Honest... :-)
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 07:27:41
From: Michel Oui
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
Lopez Gomez wrote:
>
> The very fact that Bin Laden is still alive and well...
And you know this "fact" how?
From the New York Times 07/03/2006:
"The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for
a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his
top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.
The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last
year and its analysts reassigned within the CIA
Counterterrorist Center, the officials said."
No point in hunting for a dead guy, right?
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 09:20:52
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:27:41 GMT, Michel Oui <GGOAT@example.com >
wrote:
>Lopez Gomez wrote:
>>
>> The very fact that Bin Laden is still alive and well...
>
>And you know this "fact" how?
>
> From the New York Times 07/03/2006:
>"The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for
>a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his
>top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.
>The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last
>year and its analysts reassigned within the CIA
>Counterterrorist Center, the officials said."
>
>No point in hunting for a dead guy, right?
As Bush said years ago, that particular guy really doesn't matter. We
know someone else would (and probably has) instantly step up and take
his place. Thousands of fanatics hold similar ideas and goals.
Essentially nothing will be accomplished by "getting" Bin laden. It
would be about like getting Saddam, no big deal.
larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 02:12:01
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:41:29 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>
>Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens.
Does that mean you will stop blaming Clinton?
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:27:09
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <2oehl2hspn6c1d6h0bdk1ota9f2n79gq99@4ax.com >
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:29 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> >news:h9chl2ttrnsfavfh48b9ofc67ahl35qfd9@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> >>><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Larry,
> >>>>
> >>>>Please shut up with political crap.
> >>>
> >>>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> >>>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> >>>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
> >>>
> >>>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> >>>have a wife and family.
> >>>
> >>>Larry (KING of RSG)
> >> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
> >> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
> >> to you. As usual.
> >
> >WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 - Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday to
> >use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in Iraq
> >within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration just
> >as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining
> >future strategy for the war.
>
> Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
> republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
> with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
> Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
> it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
> -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
> and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
>
> Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
> the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
> point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
> will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
> FINISH the democrats for generations.
>
> Larry
Looks like business as usual. The repugs historically screw up the world,
then throw up their hands when they can't solve the mess and immediately
begin blaming someone else for trying. What ever happened to that old,
"take responsibility for your own messes?" Last week should have been a
wakeup call that the people were tired of your failures and wanted fixes.
Now you're getting it. Just step aside and get out of the way of your own
mess while another party has to clean up. You also left the debt which
will have to be dealt with and that nasty thing about so few troops we
couldn't support our own country if there was a war....you know the draft
issue? The tradition goes on and larry personifies the word "repug."
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:16:43
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On 13 Nov 2006 21:27:09 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header >
>
>Looks like business as usual. The repugs historically screw up the world,
>then throw up their hands when they can't solve the mess and immediately
>begin blaming someone else for trying. What ever happened to that old,
>"take responsibility for your own messes?" Last week should have been a
>wakeup call that the people were tired of your failures and wanted fixes.
>Now you're getting it. Just step aside and get out of the way of your own
>mess while another party has to clean up. You also left the debt which
>will have to be dealt with and that nasty thing about so few troops we
>couldn't support our own country if there was a war....you know the draft
>issue? The tradition goes on and larry personifies the word "repug."
I think the Democrats and the liberal media have been totally
irresponsible-- ruthlessly criticizing and demonizing the president,
the military, and all republicans just to get power back. They could
say anything, demoralize the troops unde fire, whatever it took to
turn public opinion against the administration. Well, now they got
it, along with the responsibility for the outcome--
I suspect the fun stopped when they won-- and realized they have not
one answer more than Bush did.
As the president said the next day after the election, "well, the
election is over,. but the problems are still here." I suspect he
would love to just hand off his responsibility to "protect and defend"
us and walk away back to Crawford, TX. He knows we are in big trouble
if we "cut and run." This is going to be ugly.
Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 14:36:18
From: The World Wide Wade
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <MIOF1RPL39034.6855208333@twistycreek.com >,
tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header > wrote:
> In article <2oehl2hspn6c1d6h0bdk1ota9f2n79gq99@4ax.com>
> larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:29 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> > >news:h9chl2ttrnsfavfh48b9ofc67ahl35qfd9@4ax.com...
> > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> > >>><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > >>>>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> > >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Larry,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Please shut up with political crap.
> > >>>
> > >>>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> > >>>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> > >>>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
> > >>>
> > >>>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> > >>>have a wife and family.
> > >>>
> > >>>Larry (KING of RSG)
> > >> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
> > >> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
> > >> to you. As usual.
> > >
> > >WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 - Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday to
> > >use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in Iraq
> > >within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration just
> > >as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining
> > >future strategy for the war.
> >
> > Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
> > republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
> > with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
> > Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
> > it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
> > -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
> > and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
> >
> > Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
> > the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
> > point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
> > will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
> > FINISH the democrats for generations.
> >
> > Larry
>
> Looks like business as usual. The repugs historically screw up the world,
> then throw up their hands when they can't solve the mess and immediately
> begin blaming someone else for trying.
The worst mess of all was Vietnam, and the blame for turning that
one from a hotspot into a full scale military invasion and or
quagmire, replete with major war crimes, lies squarely at the
Dems door, starting with the sainted JFK.
> What ever happened to that old,
> "take responsibility for your own messes?" Last week should have been a
> wakeup call that the people were tired of your failures and wanted fixes.
> Now you're getting it. Just step aside and get out of the way of your own
> mess while another party has to clean up. You also left the debt which
> will have to be dealt with and that nasty thing about so few troops we
> couldn't support our own country if there was a war....you know the draft
> issue? The tradition goes on and larry personifies the word "repug."
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:31:47
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:36:18 -0800, The World Wide Wade
<waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote:
>
>The worst mess of all was Vietnam, and the blame for turning that
>one from a hotspot into a full scale military invasion and or
>quagmire, replete with major war crimes, lies squarely at the
>Dems door, starting with the sainted JFK.
It is useless and counter-productive to second guess after the fact,
"Monday Morning Quarterback" review of events by good men doing their
best. I think JFK and LBJ and all the Vietnam actors did the best
they could at the time, knowing what they knew. I remember every
American had a lot of fear of Communism spreading around the world--
the "Dominoe Theory" was a driving reason to stop the Communists in
Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Reagan did what he could to stop Nicaragua
from going Communist. Nixon and Kissinger etc. all had this country's
best interest at heart--and I can't blame them for being patriots.
That is worlds different than a Clinton doing things around the world
simply to divert attention away from his private affair with Monica
Lowinski and to raise patently illegal campaign funds from foreign
countries such as Indonesia and China. There is still no rational
explanation other than that...and there never will be. He was a
scumbag-- FAR worse than any of the men named above--including Nixon.
Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 22:03:51
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: OT: The Suspense is Killing Me
|
annika1980 wrote:
> multi wrote:
>> Will McCain run for president? I can't wait to find out.
>
> I have more respect for McCain than most Repugs, but I've lost some
> respect for him in the past year as he has traded in his integrity for
> the opportunity to be more electable by the right wingers.
Wasn't McCain one of the Keating Five? I have no faith in a leader that
was involved in that.
--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 23:17:25
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <waderameyxiii-5BAC8F.14361813112006@comcast.dca.giganews.com >
The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote:
>
> In article <MIOF1RPL39034.6855208333@twistycreek.com>,
> tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
> > In article <2oehl2hspn6c1d6h0bdk1ota9f2n79gq99@4ax.com>
> > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:29 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:h9chl2ttrnsfavfh48b9ofc67ahl35qfd9@4ax.com...
> > > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> > > >>><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > > >>>>wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> > > >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Larry,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Please shut up with political crap.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> > > >>>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> > > >>>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> > > >>>have a wife and family.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Larry (KING of RSG)
> > > >> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
> > > >> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
> > > >> to you. As usual.
> > > >
> > > >WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 - Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday to
> > > >use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in Iraq
> > > >within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration just
> > > >as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining
> > > >future strategy for the war.
> > >
> > > Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
> > > republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
> > > with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
> > > Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
> > > it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
> > > -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
> > > and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
> > >
> > > Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
> > > the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
> > > point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
> > > will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
> > > FINISH the democrats for generations.
> > >
> > > Larry
> >
> > Looks like business as usual. The repugs historically screw up the world,
> > then throw up their hands when they can't solve the mess and immediately
> > begin blaming someone else for trying.
>
> The worst mess of all was Vietnam, and the blame for turning that
> one from a hotspot into a full scale military invasion and or
> quagmire, replete with major war crimes, lies squarely at the
> Dems door, starting with the sainted JFK.
>
> > What ever happened to that old,
> > "take responsibility for your own messes?" Last week should have been a
> > wakeup call that the people were tired of your failures and wanted fixes.
> > Now you're getting it. Just step aside and get out of the way of your own
> > mess while another party has to clean up. You also left the debt which
> > will have to be dealt with and that nasty thing about so few troops we
> > couldn't support our own country if there was a war....you know the draft
> > issue? The tradition goes on and larry personifies the word "repug."
Actually, it's not quite that simple. We were in Vietnam, as you should
recall or have read, in the Eisenhower years (or should we say Nixon
years because Ike was busy golfing and having heart attacks.) Kennedy
inherited that, it's all in the records and in Oct of 1963, began a
program of slowing down the troop escalation going to Nam. The goal was
to get out of that mess within a year. In Nov or 1963, that plan went
down the tubes and shortly after the LBJ took over, not only was that
plan scrapped, but a huge escalation began that didn't stop until 1972.
JFK had plans but not as you suggest.......and may have lost his life
because of it.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 16:47:22
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article
<waderameyxiii-5BAC8F.14361813112006@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net > wrote:
> In article <MIOF1RPL39034.6855208333@twistycreek.com>,
> tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
> > In article <2oehl2hspn6c1d6h0bdk1ota9f2n79gq99@4ax.com>
> > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:29 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:h9chl2ttrnsfavfh48b9ofc67ahl35qfd9@4ax.com...
> > > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> > > >>><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > > >>>>wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> > > >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Larry,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Please shut up with political crap.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> > > >>>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> > > >>>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> > > >>>have a wife and family.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Larry (KING of RSG)
> > > >> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
> > > >> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
> > > >> to you. As usual.
> > > >
> > > >WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 - Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday
> > > >to
> > > >use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in
> > > >Iraq
> > > >within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration
> > > >just
> > > >as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining
> > > >future strategy for the war.
> > >
> > > Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
> > > republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
> > > with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
> > > Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
> > > it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
> > > -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
> > > and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
> > >
> > > Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
> > > the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
> > > point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
> > > will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
> > > FINISH the democrats for generations.
> > >
> > > Larry
> >
> > Looks like business as usual. The repugs historically screw up the world,
> > then throw up their hands when they can't solve the mess and immediately
> > begin blaming someone else for trying.
>
> The worst mess of all was Vietnam, and the blame for turning that
> one from a hotspot into a full scale military invasion and or
> quagmire, replete with major war crimes, lies squarely at the
> Dems door, starting with the sainted JFK.
>
Nah, started with Ike. After we told the French to get out of
Indochina, Ike started sending in 'advisors' or some such.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 23:17:25
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <lloydparsons-E52A2F.16472213112006@individual.net >
Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:
>
> In article
> <waderameyxiii-5BAC8F.14361813112006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> The World Wide Wade <waderameyxiii@comcast.remove13.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <MIOF1RPL39034.6855208333@twistycreek.com>,
> > tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <2oehl2hspn6c1d6h0bdk1ota9f2n79gq99@4ax.com>
> > > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:29 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
> > > > >news:h9chl2ttrnsfavfh48b9ofc67ahl35qfd9@4ax.com...
> > > > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:42:21 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> > > > >>><nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> > > > >>>>wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> > > > >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Larry,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Please shut up with political crap.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> > > > >>>important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> > > > >>>discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> > > > >>>have a wife and family.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Larry (KING of RSG)
> > > > >> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
> > > > >> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
> > > > >> to you. As usual.
> > > > >
> > > > >WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 - Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday
> > > > >to
> > > > >use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in
> > > > >Iraq
> > > > >within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration
> > > > >just
> > > > >as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining
> > > > >future strategy for the war.
> > > >
> > > > Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
> > > > republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
> > > > with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
> > > > Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
> > > > it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
> > > > -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
> > > > and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
> > > >
> > > > Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
> > > > the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
> > > > point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
> > > > will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
> > > > FINISH the democrats for generations.
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > >
> > > Looks like business as usual. The repugs historically screw up the world,
> > > then throw up their hands when they can't solve the mess and immediately
> > > begin blaming someone else for trying.
> >
> > The worst mess of all was Vietnam, and the blame for turning that
> > one from a hotspot into a full scale military invasion and or
> > quagmire, replete with major war crimes, lies squarely at the
> > Dems door, starting with the sainted JFK.
> >
> Nah, started with Ike. After we told the French to get out of
> Indochina, Ike started sending in 'advisors' or some such.
Thank you for going back a little further than 1960 and that info is
correct. Apparently, the World WIde Wade needs to spend a little time
googling the World Wide Web. In fact, I guess we could go even further
back than the late 50s to find the sparks of what grew into a huge asian
fire.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:06:26
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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Michel Oui wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >
> > Foley emailed to underage pages (17 yrs old), not adult in most states.
>
> Bzzzt, wrong. Age of consent is 17 in only 6 states, not most
> states as you are inferring. Age of consent in District of
> Columbia is 16 years old, therefore, the pages were not underaged
> as you are apparently claiming.
>
They were when the left DC, which is when Foley started preying on
them.
> http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 02:48:46
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163538386.397077.265090@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Foley emailed to underage pages (17 yrs old), not adult in most states.
>>
>> Bzzzt, wrong. Age of consent is 17 in only 6 states, not most
>> states as you are inferring. Age of consent in District of
>> Columbia is 16 years old, therefore, the pages were not underaged
>> as you are apparently claiming.
Not that it matters, but Foley could have concievably violated Federal Law.
From the Wiki
{Chapter 117, 18 U.S.C. 2422(b)} forbids the use of the United States Postal
Service or other interstate or foreign means of communication, such as
telephone calls or use of the internet, to persuade or entice a minor
(defined as under 18 throughout chapter) to be involved in a criminal sexual
act. The act has to be illegal under state or federal law to be charged with
a crime under 2422(b), and can even be applied to situations where both
parties are within the same state, but uses an instant messenger program
whose servers are in another state.
Scott
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:04:19
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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larry wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:14:34 GMT, Peter <none@atnowhere.net> wrote:
> >
> >Nope. It's your claim. You google it and find me a reference that lists
> >it as "criminal"...
>
> Mark Foley's congressional career was instantly ended-- and likely the
> 2006 congressional elections were lost due to the atmosphere of
> "corruption" from the headline news of his emails to House pages-- who
> were the same age as Monica!!! They were adults.
They were minors, 16 and 17 yrs. old.
>
> However, Foley didn't touch anyone--there was never anything sexual--
> other than emails-- while Clinton actually consummated sexual contact
> with his subordinate female-- several times!
How do you know he didn't touch anybody? Does the fact that you don't
know about it confirm that it never happened?
>
> Yet you liberal were willing to forgive Clinton for exploiting his
> subordinate--
>
> Hypocrisy???
>
> Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 12:56:57
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
larry wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:25:05 GMT, Peter <none@atnowhere.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <coujl29fjmujvn9g4sp9mosearfqsrm6t0@4ax.com>,
> > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:59:05 GMT, Carbon
> >> <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:20:40 -0500, Head Shot wrote:
> >> >> Carbon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> You are absolutely right. It is far, far worse to get a blowjob from an
> >> >>> intern than to mislead the country into the hopeless quagmire that is
> >> >>> Iraq.
> >> >>
> >> >> Before you go on the "Bill Clinton was not all that bad" rant; you
> >> >> should read up on Rwanda and his involvement in the genocide; including
> >> >> the parts involving Marc Rich.
> >> >>
> >> >> The blowjobs and lying about it - he should have said the truth when
> >> >> asked, which is "none of your fucking business, asshole". I will
> >> >> never understand why he didn't take that position. Nobody other than
> >> >> Hilary and Chelsea have a right to ask him about his sex life. That
> >> >> whole thing was a witch hunt and nothing more.
> >> >>
> >> >> But Rwanda - that was unforgivable. Did he talk about that in his
> >> >> book at all?
> >> >
> >> >Of course Clinton is a scumbag. I think at the time of the genocide in
> >> >Rwanda he was afraid of political fallout after the hit he took over the
> >> >intervention in Bosnia. Hundreds of thousands died due to his inaction.
> >> >
> >> >But Bush is worse. There is no way on earth Clinton would have stupid
> >> >enough to fall for that bullshit Neocon theory that we could just waltz
> >> >into Iraq without any consequences. There is just no way. This stupid,
> >> >avoidable war
> >>
> >> I know that there was no other choice. Bush was presented with a
> >> simple alternative, take down Iraq and start a war there that would
> >> occupy Al Queda and attract them to that country from everywhere-- OR
> >> suffer more 9/11 attacks on America.
> >
> >I'm sorry. But this is complete nonsense.
> >
> >Why would the terrorists be so obliging?
> >
> >"Ooooh! The U.S. has troops in Iraq, so we'll take all the heat off the
> >U.S. and go fight there! That way the American people will know that
> >there president is doing a good job!"
>
> It is spelled "their." I am always glad to learn when I am debating
> with someone with an 8th grade education. I could arleady tell by
> your childishly naive points.
>
> Larry
Larry, I'm tempted to print this post, frame it and mount it on the
wall. ARLEADY?
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:05:41
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On 14 Nov 2006 12:56:57 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>larry wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:25:05 GMT, Peter <none@atnowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <coujl29fjmujvn9g4sp9mosearfqsrm6t0@4ax.com>,
>> > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:59:05 GMT, Carbon
>> >> <nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:20:40 -0500, Head Shot wrote:
>> >> >> Carbon wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>> You are absolutely right. It is far, far worse to get a blowjob from an
>> >> >>> intern than to mislead the country into the hopeless quagmire that is
>> >> >>> Iraq.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Before you go on the "Bill Clinton was not all that bad" rant; you
>> >> >> should read up on Rwanda and his involvement in the genocide; including
>> >> >> the parts involving Marc Rich.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The blowjobs and lying about it - he should have said the truth when
>> >> >> asked, which is "none of your fucking business, asshole". I will
>> >> >> never understand why he didn't take that position. Nobody other than
>> >> >> Hilary and Chelsea have a right to ask him about his sex life. That
>> >> >> whole thing was a witch hunt and nothing more.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But Rwanda - that was unforgivable. Did he talk about that in his
>> >> >> book at all?
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course Clinton is a scumbag. I think at the time of the genocide in
>> >> >Rwanda he was afraid of political fallout after the hit he took over the
>> >> >intervention in Bosnia. Hundreds of thousands died due to his inaction.
>> >> >
>> >> >But Bush is worse. There is no way on earth Clinton would have stupid
>> >> >enough to fall for that bullshit Neocon theory that we could just waltz
>> >> >into Iraq without any consequences. There is just no way. This stupid,
>> >> >avoidable war
>> >>
>> >> I know that there was no other choice. Bush was presented with a
>> >> simple alternative, take down Iraq and start a war there that would
>> >> occupy Al Queda and attract them to that country from everywhere-- OR
>> >> suffer more 9/11 attacks on America.
>> >
>> >I'm sorry. But this is complete nonsense.
>> >
>> >Why would the terrorists be so obliging?
>> >
>> >"Ooooh! The U.S. has troops in Iraq, so we'll take all the heat off the
>> >U.S. and go fight there! That way the American people will know that
>> >there president is doing a good job!"
>>
>> It is spelled "their." I am always glad to learn when I am debating
>> with someone with an 8th grade education. I could arleady tell by
>> your childishly naive points.
>>
>> Larry
>
>Larry, I'm tempted to print this post, frame it and mount it on the
>wall. ARLEADY?
Yeah, I don't know the difference between already and aready and
alreedy, etc. Guess its back to school for me.
lary (formerly Larry)
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 17:47:51
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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Don A Roof wrote:
> <chuckle> LLLarry admits:
> "Yeah, I don't know the difference between already and aready and
> alreedy, etc. Guess its back to school for me."
>
> lary (formerly Larry)
>
> <Throw in "its" for "it's" while you're at it, Dumbo. The bigger
> problem is that you don't know shit from Shinola and are dumb enough to
> attempt to correct spelling and typos made by others while stumbling
> around making a fool of yourself with pretentious claims of greater
> intelligence than you can prove.>
Hey, now, that's no way to talk to the King of RSG.
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Date: 17 Nov 2006 09:17:21
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On 15 Nov 2006 17:47:51 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
Read this and tell us you STILL cannot understand why we are trying to
hold them in Iraq and Afaghanistan.
------------------------------------------------------
SUICIDE KILLERS
By - Pierre Rehov, documentary filmmaker
On July 15, MSNBC's "Connected" program discussed the July 7th London
attacks.
One of the guests was Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has filmed
six documentaries on the intifada by going undercover in the
Palestinian areas. Pierre's upcoming film, "Suicide Killers," is
based on interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide
bombers and would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it.
Pierre agreed to a request for a Q&A interview here about his work on
the new film.
Q - What inspired you to produce "Suicide Killers," your seventh
film?
A - I started working with victims of suicide attacks to make a film
on PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) when I became fascinated with
the personalities of those who had committed those crimes, as they
were described again and again by their victims. Especially the fact
that suicide bombers are all smiling one second before they blow
themselves up.
Q - Why is this film especially important?
A - People don't understand the devastating culture behind this
unbelievable phenomenon. My film is not politically correct because it
addresses the real problem, showing the real face of Islam. It points
the finger against a culture of hatred in which the uneducated are
brainwashed to a level where their only solution in life becomes to
kill themselves and kill others in the name of a God whose word, as
transmitted by other men, has become their only certitude.
Q - What insights did you gain from making this film? What do you know
that other experts do not know?
A - I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the
level of an entire civilization. Most neuroses have in common a
dramatic event, generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior.
In this case, we are talking of kids living all their lives in pure
frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness
or even understanding from the opposite sex. The separation between
men and women in Islam is absolute. So is contempt toward women, who
are totally dominated by men. This leads to a situation of pure
anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. It is no
coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men dominated
subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot
satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil.
Since Islam describes heaven as a place where everything on Earth will
finally be allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids,
killing others and killing themselves to reach this redemption becomes
their only solution.
Q - What was it like to interview would-be suicide bombers, their
families and survivors of suicide bombings?
A - It was a fascinating and a terrifying experience. You are dealing
with seemingly normal people with very nice manners who have their own
logic, which to a certain extent can make sense since they are so
convinced that what they say is true. It is like dealing with pure
craziness, like interviewing people in an asylum, since what they say,
is for them, the absolute truth. I hear a mother saying "Thank God, my
son is dead." Her son had become a shaheed, a martyr, which for her
was a greater source of pride than if he had became an engineer, a
doctor or a winner of the Nobel Prize.
This system of values works completely backwards since their
interpretation of Islam worships death much more than life. You are
facing people whose only dream, only achievement goal is to fulfill
what they believe to be their destiny, namely to be a Shaheed or the
family of a shaheed.
They don't see the innocent being killed; they only see the impure
that they have to destroy.
Q - You say suicide bombers experience a moment of absolute power,
beyond punishment. Is death the ultimate power?
A - Not death as an end, but death as a door opener to the after life.
They are seeking the reward that God has promised them. They work for
God, the ultimate authority, above all human laws. They therefore
experience this single delusional second of absolute power, where
nothing bad can ever happen to them, since they become God's sword.
Q - Is there a suicide bomber personality profile? Describe the
psychopathology.
A - Generally kids between 15 and 25 bearing a lot of complexes,
generally inferiority complexes. They must have been fed with
religion. They usually have a lack of developed personality. Usually
they are impressionable idealists. In the western world they would
easily have become drug addicts, but not criminals. Interestingly,
they are not criminals since they don't see good and evil the same way
that we do. If they had been raised in an Occidental culture, they
would have hated violence. But they constantly battle against their
own death anxiety. The only solution to this deep-seated pathology is
to be willing to die and be rewarded in the afterlife in Paradise.
Q - Are suicide bombers principally motivated by religious conviction?
A - Yes, it is their only conviction. They don't act to gain a
territory or to find freedom or even dignity. They only follow Allah,
the supreme judge, and what He tells them to do.
Q - Do all Muslims interpret jihad and martyrdom in the same way?
A - All Muslim believers believe that, ultimately, Islam will prevail
on earth.They believe this is the only true religion and there is no
room, in their mind, for interpretation. The main difference between
moderate Muslims and extremists is that moderate Muslims don't think
they will see the absolute victory of Islam during their lifetime,
therefore they respect other beliefs. The extremists believe that the
fulfillment of the Prophecy of Islam and ruling the entire world as
described in the Koran, is for today. Each victory of Bin Laden
convinces 20 million moderate Muslims to become extremists.
Q - Describe the culture that manufactures suicide bombers.
A - Oppression, lack of freedom, brain washing, organized poverty,
placing God in charge of daily life, total separation between men and
women, forbidding sex, giving women no power whatsoever, and placing
men in charge of family honor, which is mainly connected to their
women's behavior.
Q - What socio-economic forces support the perpetuation of suicide
bombings?
A - Muslim charity is usually a cover for supporting terrorist
organizations. But one has also to look at countries like Pakistan,
Saudi Arabia and Iran, which are also supporting the same
organizations through different networks. The ironic thing in the case
of Palestinian suicide bombers is that most of the money comes through
financial support from the Occidental world, donated to a culture that
utterly hates and rejects the West (mainly symbolized by Israel).
Q - Is there a financial support network for the families of the
suicide bombers? If so, who is paying them and how does that affect
the decision?
A - There used to be a financial incentive in the days of Saddam
Hussein ($25,000 per family) and Yasser Arafat (smaller amounts), but
these days are gone. It is a mistake to believe that these families
would sacrifice their children for money. Although, the children
themselves who are very attached to their families, might find in this
financial support another reason to become suicide bombers. It is like
buying a life insurance policy and then committing suicide.
Q - Why are so many suicide bombers young men?
A - As discussed above, libido is paramount. Also ego, because this is
a sure way to become a hero. The shaheeds are the cowboys or the
firemen of Islam. Shaheed is a positively reinforced value in this
culture. And what kid has never dreamed of becoming a cowboy or a
fireman?
Q - What role does the U.N. play in the terrorist equation?
A - The U.N. is in the hands of Arab countries and third world or
ex-communist countries. Their hands are tied. The U.N. has condemned
Israel more than any other country in the world, including the regime
of Castro, Idi Amin or Kaddahfi. By behaving this way, the U.N. leaves
a door open by not openly condemning terrorist organizations. In
addition, through UNRWA, the U.N. is directly tied to terror
organizations such as Hamas, representing 65 percent of their
apparatus in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps. As a support to
Arab countries, the U.N. has maintained Palestinians in camps with the
hope to "return" into Israel for more than 50 years, therefore making
it impossible to settle those populations, which still live in
deplorable conditions. Four hundred million dollars are spent every
year, mainly financed by U.S. taxes, to support 23,000 employees of
UNRWA, many of whom belong to terrorist organizations (see Congressman
Eric Cantor on this subject, and in my film "Hosta
ges of Hatred").
Q - You say that a suicide bomber is a 'stupid bomb and a smart bomb'
simultaneously. Explain what you mean.
A - Unlike an electronic device, a suicide killer has until the last
second the capacity to change his mind. In reality, he is nothing but
a platform representing interests which are not his, but he doesn't
know it.
Q - How can we put an end to the madness of suicide bombings and
terrorism in general?
A - Stop being politically correct and stop believing that this
culture is a victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a
new form of Naziism. Nobody was trying to justify or excuse Hitler in
the 1930s. We had to defeat him in order to make peace one day with
the German people.
Q - Are these men traveling outside their native areas in large
numbers? Based on your research, would you predict that we are
beginning to see a new wave of suicide bombings outside the Middle
East?
A - Every successful terror attack is considered a victory by the
radical Islamists. Everywhere Islam expands there is regional
conflict. Right now, there are thousands of candidates for martyrdom
lining up in training camps in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Inside Europe, hundreds of illegal mosques are preparing the next step
of brain washing to lost young men who cannot find a satisfying
identity in the Occidental world. Israel is much more prepared for
this than the rest of the world will ever be. Yes, there will be more
suicide killings in Europe and the U.S. Sadly, this is only the
beginning.
====================================================================
Larry
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 20:12:51
From: Don A Roof
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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<chuckle > LLLarry admits:
"Yeah, I don't know the difference between already and aready and
alreedy, etc. Guess its back to school for me."
lary (formerly Larry)
<Throw in "its" for "it's" while you're at it, Dumbo. The bigger
problem is that you don't know shit from Shinola and are dumb enough to
attempt to correct spelling and typos made by others while stumbling
around making a fool of yourself with pretentious claims of greater
intelligence than you can prove. >
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 03:26:16
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13-Nov-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
> to you. As usual.
Well then don't respond to him either! Put the gimp back in his box!
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:38:38
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:26:16 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org >
wrote:
>
>On 13-Nov-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net> wrote:
>re: LLLLarry
>> The problem here is that you have made such an ass of yourself, and
>> missed so badly on your political predictions that no one is listening
>> to you. As usual.
>
>Well then don't respond to him either! Put the gimp back in his box!
I have LLLLarrry, you have Bellomy :-)
--
___,
\o
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 05:26:16
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13-Nov-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
> >Well then don't respond to him either! Put the gimp back in his box!
>
> I have LLLLarrry, you have Bellomy :-)
nice shot!
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 06:09:27
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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bill-o <assimilate@borg.org > wrote:
:
: On 13-Nov-2006, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net > wrote:
:
: > >Well then don't respond to him either! Put the gimp back in his box!
: >
: > I have LLLLarrry, you have Bellomy :-)
:
: nice shot!
You guys suck. :-p
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 11:52:22
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <8gbhl2dahqb7klfa1gt6ndrdt9l3u59qr9@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >>----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >
> >Larry,
> >
> >Please shut up with political crap.
>
> The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
>
> It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> have a wife and family.
>
> Larry (KING of RSG)
Living as close as you do to all those military bases, you should
realize that all those black helicopters flying overhead are OUR
helicopters...
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 22:45:24
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:8gbhl2dahqb7klfa1gt6ndrdt9l3u59qr9@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>Larry,
>>
>>Please shut up with political crap.
>
> The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
>
> It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> have a wife and family.
>
> Larry (KING of RSG)
When you or the Repugs get one prediction correct --- will be the first one.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:31:10
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <8gbhl2dahqb7klfa1gt6ndrdt9l3u59qr9@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:30:35 -0500, John van der Pflum
> <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:16:35 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >>----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >
> >Larry,
> >
> >Please shut up with political crap.
>
> The current threat from Radical Islam to the US mainland is FAR more
> important than golf--especially golf as discussed here. This sort of
> discussion is the only thing worthwhile on this forum.
>
> It is grossly irresponsible NOT to be aware of this threat-- if you
> have a wife and family.
>
> Larry (KING of RSG)
But not to people who tune into a ng to read about GOLF. We can go
elsewhere to read warmed over neocon garbage - it is no business of
yours to keep gratuitously injecting into this one.
Why not do something we are actually interested in, and tell us why your
strident predictions that "all the polls are wrong" and that the "GoP
will not even lose any seats in the House and Senate" last week were so
far off the mark.
Now that is one explanation people would be interested in, but We all
know you will not be able to admit to being SOOOO wrong.
William Clark
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 07:40:05
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> In article <5cWdnUDIbIYxscbYnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
> "the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote:
>
> > "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> > news:lloydparsons-7F539D.15104814112006@individual.net...
> > > In article <09idnYfHOsHtscfYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@centurytel.net>,
> > > "the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Peter" <none@atnowhere.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:none-2CC546.10272114112006@news.telus.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > No. It is *not* criminal. Please cite the statute...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is the policy on having sexual relations at work, during work where
> > you
> > > > work?
> > >
> > > And that has what to do with whether it is 'criminal' or not?
> >
> > I would agree that it was not criminal. In my place of employment and in
> > most places of employment it would be grounds for termination.
>
> And that has been the point of the discussion. It is a civil matter,
> not a criminal one.
If it were criminal, the mad dog prosecutor Ken Starr would have
indicted him for it. Throughout his crusade, there was never any
mention of a possibility that Clinton's having sex with Monica Lewinsky
was a crime.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 20:08:06
From: Joe-programmer
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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Yes, this is a very good point, indeed. With so many uneducated
American men roaming around and so many uneducated, unemployeed Iraqi
men roaming around, all with hungry mouths to feed, why not put them to
work on the battlefield? Good ol' fashioned gladiators. For the last
four years I've been enjoying a hot morning cup of coffee to "four
marines killed by a roadside bomb, 50 Iraqi shiites blown apart, bodies
found all over the place..." Helps the food go down.
larry wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 23:28:17 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header>
> wrote:
>
>
> >There's nothing left to disarm. We're billions in debt, 3000 more dead
>
> The national debt is a fraction of what it has been many times in the
> past, our economy can easily handle it and pay it off early --UNLESS
> we are attacked again here. 3000 were killed in a single day during
> Vietnam--and 10,000 were horribly injured. LBJ did that to save Tet,
> I believe. And those were draftees, our modern army is all
> volunteer. They WANT to be there because soldiering is a very good
> job fo rmany of them, far better than any possible alternative. It
> is worth the risk. If we "brought them home" most of them would be
> effectively fired, discharged early because we would have no use for
> them sitting around US bases. So they want this war to continue!!!
> Lets keep our perspective, please. Watch something besides CNN.
>
> Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 09:09:37
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 20:08:06 -0800, "Joe-programmer" <jgrace5@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>Yes, this is a very good point, indeed. With so many uneducated
>American men roaming around and so many uneducated, unemployeed Iraqi
>men roaming around, all with hungry mouths to feed, why not put them to
>work on the battlefield? Good ol' fashioned gladiators. For the last
>four years I've been enjoying a hot morning cup of coffee to "four
>marines killed by a roadside bomb, 50 Iraqi shiites blown apart, bodies
>found all over the place..." Helps the food go down.
Not pleasant, especially when the good news is not presented to
balance that. We have created thousands of hospitals and classrooms
and much else.
But statistically California (30 Million) is more dangerous than Iraq
with 25 Million. There is FAR more violent crime in this state alone
than in Iraq-- and there is no outcry!!! Reason: that percentage of
crime is accepted by civilized societies.
You are just another victim of the liberal media-- lapping up their
propaganda without question and without seeking information elsewhere
for perspective. You are typical of the ignorant and uninformed who
voted democratic-- to 'teach the administration a lesson.'
Larry
>
>larry wrote:
>> On 13 Nov 2006 23:28:17 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >There's nothing left to disarm. We're billions in debt, 3000 more dead
>>
>> The national debt is a fraction of what it has been many times in the
>> past, our economy can easily handle it and pay it off early --UNLESS
>> we are attacked again here. 3000 were killed in a single day during
>> Vietnam--and 10,000 were horribly injured. LBJ did that to save Tet,
>> I believe. And those were draftees, our modern army is all
>> volunteer. They WANT to be there because soldiering is a very good
>> job fo rmany of them, far better than any possible alternative. It
>> is worth the risk. If we "brought them home" most of them would be
>> effectively fired, discharged early because we would have no use for
>> them sitting around US bases. So they want this war to continue!!!
>> Lets keep our perspective, please. Watch something besides CNN.
>>
>> Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 04:05:29
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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I've always had a problem playing a cut and run. Consequently, I usually find the
ball in a hazard or a bunker or worse when I try to cut and run! Somehow I find it
easier to control a draw/hook better with a runner type of shot. Consequently
superior!
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 19:56:06
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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larry wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> >> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> >> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> >> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> >> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> >> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> >> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
> >> >>
> >> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> >> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> >> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> >> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> >> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> >> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> >> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> >> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> >> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> >> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> >> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> >> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
> >> >>
> >> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> >> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> >> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> >> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> >> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> >> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> >> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> >> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> >> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> >> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> >> >> joining a winning cause.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> >> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> >> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> >> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> >> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
> >> >>
> >> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> >> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> >> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> >> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> >> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> >> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> >> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> >> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> >> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> >> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> >> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> >> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >
> >> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
> >> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
> >>
> >> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
> >> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
> >> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
> >> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
> >> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
> >> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
> >> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
> >> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
> >> that includes you.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >
> >Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
> >share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
> >if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
> >terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
> >have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
> >include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
> >Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
> >extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
> >generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
> >encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
> >decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
> >taking the time to enlighten us.
>
> I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
> than allowing them to hit us here.
So, let's see. We've been there about three years and we've had about
3,000 KIA, 21,000 wounded and spent about $365 billion. If we stay
there for an "interim" of 20 yrs., as you suggest, we're looking at
20,000 KIA, 140,000 wounded and $2.4 trillion spent -- all in lieu of a
"good solution." YES! That makes perfect sense. AsDick Cheney said,
full speed ahead!
>
> The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
> pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
> terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
> withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
> spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
> horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
> one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
> our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
> not recovered yet!
Which ones? I ask because I work in the finance industry, which is the
one Bin Laden attacked, and we're actually doing quite well.
>
> Your children and grandchildren could live in 3d world conditions if
> they succeed.
>
> Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 09:03:11
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 19:56:06 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>larry wrote:
>> On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >larry wrote:
>> >> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >larry wrote:
>> >> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
>> >> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
>> >> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
>> >> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
>> >> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
>> >> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
>> >> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
>> >> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
>> >> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
>> >> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
>> >> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
>> >> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
>> >> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
>> >> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
>> >> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
>> >> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
>> >> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
>> >> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
>> >> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
>> >> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
>> >> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
>> >> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
>> >> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
>> >> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
>> >> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
>> >> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
>> >> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
>> >> >> joining a winning cause.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
>> >> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
>> >> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
>> >> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
>> >> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
>> >> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
>> >> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
>> >> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
>> >> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
>> >> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
>> >> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
>> >> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
>> >> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
>> >> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
>> >> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
>> >> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Larry
>> >> >
>> >> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
>> >> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
>> >>
>> >> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
>> >> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
>> >> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
>> >> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
>> >> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
>> >> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
>> >> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
>> >> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
>> >> that includes you.
>> >>
>> >> Larry
>> >
>> >
>> >Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
>> >share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
>> >if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
>> >terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
>> >have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
>> >include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
>> >Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
>> >extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
>> >generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
>> >encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
>> >decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
>> >taking the time to enlighten us.
>>
>> I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
>> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
>> than allowing them to hit us here.
>
>So, let's see. We've been there about three years and we've had about
>3,000 KIA, 21,000 wounded and spent about $365 billion. If we stay
>there for an "interim" of 20 yrs., as you suggest, we're looking at
>20,000 KIA, 140,000 wounded and $2.4 trillion spent -- all in lieu of a
>"good solution." YES! That makes perfect sense. AsDick Cheney said,
>full speed ahead!
>
>
>>
>> The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
>> pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
>> terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
>> withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
>> spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
>> horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
>> one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
>> our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
>> not recovered yet!
>
>
>Which ones?
The Airline industry was worst hit-- nearly all went bankrupt and some
have not recovered fully yet.
I ask because I work in the finance industry, which is the
one Bin Laden attacked, and we're actually doing quite well.
Better enjoy it while you can. When we are hit again at least as big
as 9/11, yours will be the first industry to collapse. As you know,
most of our largest investors are from other countries, Japan, even
China. They will withdraw their investments and you will be
unemployed about 15 minutes later. good luck!!
Larry
>>
>> Your children and grandchildren could live in 3d world conditions if
>> they succeed.
>>
>> Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 11:33:51
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <ggtjl29leeh4it58gr51o3hrnertihuv5m@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 19:56:06 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> >> >> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> >> >> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the
> >> >> >> attacks
> >> >> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S.
> >> >> >> Cole,
> >> >> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a
> >> >> >> doubt
> >> >> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> >> >> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> >> >> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> >> >> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that
> >> >> >> America
> >> >> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> >> >> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run
> >> >> >> pansies
> >> >> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> >> >> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> >> >> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> >> >> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> >> >> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> >> >> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> >> >> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political
> >> >> >> pundit
> >> >> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> >> >> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> >> >> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough
> >> >> >> America
> >> >> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> >> >> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> >> >> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> >> >> >> joining a winning cause.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> >> >> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> >> >> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists
> >> >> >> now
> >> >> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> >> >> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> >> >> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> >> >> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> >> >> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> >> >> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> >> >> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> >> >> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> >> >> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> >> >> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> >> >> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Larry
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning"
> >> >> >in
> >> >> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
> >> >> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
> >> >> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
> >> >> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
> >> >> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
> >> >> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
> >> >> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
> >> >> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
> >> >> that includes you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
> >> >share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
> >> >if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
> >> >terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
> >> >have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
> >> >include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
> >> >Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
> >> >extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
> >> >generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
> >> >encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
> >> >decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
> >> >taking the time to enlighten us.
> >>
> >> I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
> >> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
> >> than allowing them to hit us here.
> >
> >So, let's see. We've been there about three years and we've had about
> >3,000 KIA, 21,000 wounded and spent about $365 billion. If we stay
> >there for an "interim" of 20 yrs., as you suggest, we're looking at
> >20,000 KIA, 140,000 wounded and $2.4 trillion spent -- all in lieu of a
> >"good solution." YES! That makes perfect sense. AsDick Cheney said,
> >full speed ahead!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
> >> pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
> >> terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
> >> withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
> >> spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
> >> horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
> >> one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
> >> our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
> >> not recovered yet!
> >
> >
> >Which ones?
>
> The Airline industry was worst hit-- nearly all went bankrupt and some
> have not recovered fully yet.
>
> I ask because I work in the finance industry, which is the
> one Bin Laden attacked, and we're actually doing quite well.
>
> Better enjoy it while you can. When we are hit again at least as big
> as 9/11, yours will be the first industry to collapse. As you know,
> most of our largest investors are from other countries, Japan, even
> China. They will withdraw their investments and you will be
> unemployed about 15 minutes later. good luck!!
>
> Larry
The airlines were already in deep doo-doo before 9/11. And while 9/11
did affect them, it really just accelerated a process that was already
ongoing.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 18:24:52
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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larry wrote:
> > I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
> than allowing them to hit us here.
How do you figure?
The 9/11 attacks cost us about 300 lives and millions of dollars.
The war in Iraq has already costs us almost as many US lives (not to
mention 100,000 or so Iraqis ... fuck them!) and billions of dollars.
The longterm negative consequences of our presence in Iraq will be
immeasurable. By creating even more terrorists Bush has put our nation
at risk. Any future attacks will be on his head.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:48:14
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 18:24:52 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>larry wrote:
>> > I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
>> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
>> than allowing them to hit us here.
>
>How do you figure?
>The 9/11 attacks cost us about 300 lives and millions of dollars.
>The war in Iraq has already costs us almost as many US lives (not to
>mention 100,000 or so Iraqis ... fuck them!) and billions of dollars.
>The longterm negative consequences of our presence in Iraq will be
>immeasurable. By creating even more terrorists Bush has put our nation
>at risk. Any future attacks will be on his head.
There were at least 10 attacks on America here and around the world
including 9/11 while Bush was Governor of Texas. Whose fault were
those?
Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 18:20:34
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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larry wrote:
> > Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
> republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
> with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
> Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
> it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
> -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
> and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
>
> Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
> the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
> point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
> will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
> FINISH the democrats for generations.
>
Wow, in just one week and one landslide election Larry goes from
saying, "The Democrats want the terrorists to attack us" to hoping the
very same thing himself.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:46:58
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 18:20:34 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>larry wrote:
>> > Yep, and now they are responsible for whatever happens. Bush and the
>> republicans in congress should just step back and let them wrestle
>> with these problems--and when they get the predicted attacks here from
>> Al Queda as they withdraw in defeat from Iraq-- history will show that
>> it was the Democrats who brought that on us--remembering they
>> -ridiculed Bush's "Stay the Course" urging. That Bush had said over
>> and over again, "we can either fight them there-- or here."
>>
>> Then When Al Queda hits America, brings down the Golden Gate bridge or
>> the Empire State building, the entire world will know exactly where to
>> point the finger-- because Bush said a thousand times, 'this enemy
>> will follow us home!' A big attack right after we withdraw will
>> FINISH the democrats for generations.
>>
>
>
>Wow, in just one week and one landslide election Larry goes from
>saying, "The Democrats want the terrorists to attack us" to hoping the
>very same thing himself.
Watch the news, moron. This morning every democrat who will be in the
leadership of House and Senate next year has already started calling
for early and unconditional pull out. Senator Durbin said as much
this morning-- Chris Mathews said they intend to FORCE the president
to pull our troops, just as they did in Vietnam-- which action cost
the lives of 2 MILLION people in Vietnam and Cambodia, etc.
We are doing exactly what Ben Ladin predicted-- "cut and run" was
established to be our behavior pattern after Vietnam and Somalia and
Clinton's inaction after 6 attacks while he was president. There can
be no appeasement, in fact the opposite. Our weakness emboldens
them--- and they will unleash their sleeper cells here shortly-- they
know there will be no consequence from a "paper tiger," with big
muscles by rotten inside.
At least we will know who to blame. Bush said 'stay the course' for a
very good reason.
Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 16:11:12
From: Ken Meltzer
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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larry wrote:
> I suspect the fun stopped when they won-- and realized they have not
> one answer more than Bush did.
>
> As the president said the next day after the election, "well, the
> election is over,. but the problems are still here."
Was he looking in the mirror at the time?
Best,
Ken
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 13:43:39
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:4r9hl2d6mr5ua4r44pj6n4blur78c3n6lb@4ax.com...
Give it up Larry. Let's declare victory, pull out, and let the Iraqi's
continue to kill each other. If that is a victory for Osama - it's a pretty
hollow one. Pulling out of Iraq will likely make zero difference to
terrorism inside our borders (they will continue to kill each other instead
of us), and free up billions of $$$ being thrown away in Iraq to pay to
actually defend out borders and assets.
In any case, the decisive loss of the Republic Party has little to do with
our withdrawl. It would have happened anyway, and I doubt it will even
change the timing of it. But it does give the Republic Party someone to
blame for how bad it looks as we get out of their mess.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:10:33
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <4r9hl2d6mr5ua4r44pj6n4blur78c3n6lb@4ax.com >
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
As soon as you bush-bots FINALLY realize there IS NOT CONNECTION BETWEEN
THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND IRAQ, you will be able to comprehend what most
are figuring out.......leaving iraq do its own business will not effect
the war on terror. IT WAS ALL MADE UP so you could get your president
elected and he could continue to tell you how to think and what to say.
It worked.......you're still doing it. Korea didn't work out well,
Vietnam no better and here we've tried it again. You would rather have
more kids killed in a needless war. Then again, if you agree to sign up
your kids and grandkids, go do it. Otherwise, realize the party line is
dead.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 02:13:20
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 21:10:33 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header >
wrote:
>As soon as you bush-bots FINALLY realize there IS NOT CONNECTION BETWEEN
>THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND IRAQ,
There is now.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:09:11
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 21:10:33 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header >
wrote:
>In article <4r9hl2d6mr5ua4r44pj6n4blur78c3n6lb@4ax.com>
>larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>
>As soon as you bush-bots FINALLY realize there IS NOT CONNECTION BETWEEN
>THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND IRAQ, you will be able to comprehend what most
>are figuring out.......leaving iraq do its own business will not effect
>the war on terror. IT WAS ALL MADE UP so you could get your president
>elected and he could continue to tell you how to think and what to say.
>It worked.......you're still doing it. Korea didn't work out well,
>Vietnam no better and here we've tried it again. You would rather have
>more kids killed in a needless war. Then again, if you agree to sign up
>your kids and grandkids, go do it. Otherwise, realize the party line is
>dead.
I would love to see your posting admitting you were wrong-- but if
they hit us big time again you may not be able to afford a computer to
post it on.
This is a different enemy than the world has ever seen--thus no past
analogies hold. This enemy will definitely follow us home from Iraq
and Afghanistan-- since they remain determined to destroy democracy
and kill as many Infidels as they can. We happen to live in the heart
of decedancy for them-- Read something about Islam, please.
What is sickening is that the Democrats seem to be doing everything
they can to disarm us.
Larry
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 23:28:17
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <5guhl2l4uckqs6lg3amqe89304vlsa8r2n@4ax.com >
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
>
> On 13 Nov 2006 21:10:33 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <4r9hl2d6mr5ua4r44pj6n4blur78c3n6lb@4ax.com>
> >larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> >As soon as you bush-bots FINALLY realize there IS NOT CONNECTION BETWEEN
> >THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND IRAQ, you will be able to comprehend what most
> >are figuring out.......leaving iraq do its own business will not effect
> >the war on terror. IT WAS ALL MADE UP so you could get your president
> >elected and he could continue to tell you how to think and what to say.
> >It worked.......you're still doing it. Korea didn't work out well,
> >Vietnam no better and here we've tried it again. You would rather have
> >more kids killed in a needless war. Then again, if you agree to sign up
> >your kids and grandkids, go do it. Otherwise, realize the party line is
> >dead.
>
> I would love to see your posting admitting you were wrong-- but if
> they hit us big time again you may not be able to afford a computer to
> post it on.
>
> This is a different enemy than the world has ever seen--thus no past
> analogies hold. This enemy will definitely follow us home from Iraq
> and Afghanistan-- since they remain determined to destroy democracy
> and kill as many Infidels as they can. We happen to live in the heart
> of decedancy for them-- Read something about Islam, please.
>
> What is sickening is that the Democrats seem to be doing everything
> they can to disarm us.
>
> Larry
There's nothing left to disarm. We're billions in debt, 3000 more dead
and many more without arms and legs, thanks to your kind's policy and
arrogance to admit you were wrong. Keep telling us your side of things
because each rant proves to thinking people everywhere just how lucky we
are to have truth and logic going for us. I think I would just about want
to shoot myself if we ever found common ground because that, I would have
to admit, would indicate some lacking on my part. Keep disagreeing. It's
truly satisfying.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:52:44
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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On 13 Nov 2006 23:28:17 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header >
wrote:
>There's nothing left to disarm. We're billions in debt, 3000 more dead
The national debt is a fraction of what it has been many times in the
past, our economy can easily handle it and pay it off early --UNLESS
we are attacked again here. 3000 were killed in a single day during
Vietnam--and 10,000 were horribly injured. LBJ did that to save Tet,
I believe. And those were draftees, our modern army is all
volunteer. They WANT to be there because soldiering is a very good
job fo rmany of them, far better than any possible alternative. It
is worth the risk. If we "brought them home" most of them would be
effectively fired, discharged early because we would have no use for
them sitting around US bases. So they want this war to continue!!!
Lets keep our perspective, please. Watch something besides CNN.
Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:11:53
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <cv0il210rm6jefj1jedc22pu8b15vmedoj@4ax.com >
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
>
> On 13 Nov 2006 23:28:17 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header>
> wrote:
>
>
> >There's nothing left to disarm. We're billions in debt, 3000 more dead
>
> The national debt is a fraction of what it has been many times in the
> past, our economy can easily handle it and pay it off early --UNLESS
> we are attacked again here. 3000 were killed in a single day during
> Vietnam--and 10,000 were horribly injured. LBJ did that to save Tet,
> I believe. And those were draftees, our modern army is all
> volunteer. They WANT to be there because soldiering is a very good
> job fo rmany of them, far better than any possible alternative. It
> is worth the risk. If we "brought them home" most of them would be
> effectively fired, discharged early because we would have no use for
> them sitting around US bases. So they want this war to continue!!!
> Lets keep our perspective, please. Watch something besides CNN.
How do you know what's on CNN......or anything other than Fox for that
matter? Then again, with your awesome abilities, why would you rely on
ANYBODY other than yourself and rush limpballs for opinions? If you were
living up to being the true conservative you claim to be (and maybe
really don't understand about) you should be bashing bush along with
limpballs, hannity, carlson and scarborough. Bet you really hate getting
up in the morning these days......it must be so confusing for you.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 07:22:03
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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"larry" <larry@delmardata.com > wrote in message
news:cv0il210rm6jefj1jedc22pu8b15vmedoj@4ax.com...
> On 13 Nov 2006 23:28:17 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header>
> wrote:
>
>
>>There's nothing left to disarm. We're billions in debt, 3000 more dead
>
> The national debt is a fraction of what it has been many times in the
> past, our economy can easily handle it and pay it off early --UNLESS
> we are attacked again here. 3000 were killed in a single day during
> Vietnam--and 10,000 were horribly injured. LBJ did that to save Tet,
> I believe. And those were draftees, our modern army is all
> volunteer. They WANT to be there because soldiering is a very good
> job fo rmany of them, far better than any possible alternative. It
> is worth the risk. If we "brought them home" most of them would be
> effectively fired, discharged early because we would have no use for
> them sitting around US bases. So they want this war to continue!!!
> Lets keep our perspective, please. Watch something besides CNN.
That's definitely not a troll. On the other hand, it's pretty close to the
most asinine thing I've read on this newsgroup. That's says it all.
"I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do
it. But I felt I owed it to them."
Got the reference, and does it remind you of anyone?
Scott
P.S. "I'll take a dozen of those, a dozen of those, and a dozen of the
naked lady tees. Oh, this is the worst looking hat I ever saw. What, when
you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh?....Oh, but
it looks good on you."
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 17:53:56
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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In article <5guhl2l4uckqs6lg3amqe89304vlsa8r2n@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 21:10:33 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <4r9hl2d6mr5ua4r44pj6n4blur78c3n6lb@4ax.com>
> >larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> >As soon as you bush-bots FINALLY realize there IS NOT CONNECTION BETWEEN
> >THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND IRAQ, you will be able to comprehend what most
> >are figuring out.......leaving iraq do its own business will not effect
> >the war on terror. IT WAS ALL MADE UP so you could get your president
> >elected and he could continue to tell you how to think and what to say.
> >It worked.......you're still doing it. Korea didn't work out well,
> >Vietnam no better and here we've tried it again. You would rather have
> >more kids killed in a needless war. Then again, if you agree to sign up
> >your kids and grandkids, go do it. Otherwise, realize the party line is
> >dead.
>
> I would love to see your posting admitting you were wrong-- but if
> they hit us big time again you may not be able to afford a computer to
> post it on.
>
> This is a different enemy than the world has ever seen--thus no past
> analogies hold. This enemy will definitely follow us home from Iraq
> and Afghanistan-- since they remain determined to destroy democracy
> and kill as many Infidels as they can. We happen to live in the heart
> of decedancy for them-- Read something about Islam, please.
>
> What is sickening is that the Democrats seem to be doing everything
> they can to disarm us.
>
> Larry
How about your post admitting you were SOOO wrong on the outcome of the
November elections? Haven't seen that yet - don't expect to either, so
stop being such a hypocrite and expecting others to behave by standards
you yourself don't meet.
William Clark
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
larry wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
> >>
> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
> >>
> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> >> joining a winning cause.
> >>
> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
> >>
> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
>
> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
> that includes you.
>
> Larry
Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
taking the time to enlighten us.
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:04:05
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>larry wrote:
>> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >larry wrote:
>> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
>> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
>> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
>> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
>> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
>> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
>> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
>> >>
>> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
>> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
>> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
>> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
>> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
>> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
>> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
>> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
>> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
>> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
>> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
>> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>> >>
>> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
>> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
>> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
>> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
>> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
>> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
>> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
>> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
>> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
>> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
>> >> joining a winning cause.
>> >>
>> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
>> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
>> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
>> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
>> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>> >>
>> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
>> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
>> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
>> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
>> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
>> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
>> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
>> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
>> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
>> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
>> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
>> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>> >>
>> >> Larry
>> >
>> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
>> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
>>
>> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
>> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
>> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
>> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
>> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
>> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
>> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
>> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
>> that includes you.
>>
>> Larry
>
>
>Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
>share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
>if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
>terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
>have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
>include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
>Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
>extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
>generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
>encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
>decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
>taking the time to enlighten us.
I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
than allowing them to hit us here.
The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
not recovered yet!
Your children and grandchildren could live in 3d world conditions if
they succeed.
Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:07:17
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <p3uhl29ulnj96tub7hfuujnarnqrhqflur@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> >> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> >> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> >> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> >> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> >> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> >> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
> >> >>
> >> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> >> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> >> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> >> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> >> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> >> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> >> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> >> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> >> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> >> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> >> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> >> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
> >> >>
> >> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> >> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> >> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> >> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> >> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> >> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> >> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> >> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> >> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> >> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> >> >> joining a winning cause.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> >> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> >> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> >> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> >> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
> >> >>
> >> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> >> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> >> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> >> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> >> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> >> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> >> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> >> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> >> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> >> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> >> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> >> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >
> >> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
> >> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
> >>
> >> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
> >> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
> >> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
> >> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
> >> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
> >> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
> >> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
> >> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
> >> that includes you.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >
> >Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
> >share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
> >if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
> >terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
> >have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
> >include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
> >Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
> >extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
> >generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
> >encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
> >decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
> >taking the time to enlighten us.
>
> I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
> than allowing them to hit us here.
>
> The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
> pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
> terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
> withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
> spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
> horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
> one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
> our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
> not recovered yet!
>
> Your children and grandchildren could live in 3d world conditions if
> they succeed.
>
> Larry
The fallacy in all of this is your assumption that all the enemies of
the United States are has short-sighted and stupid as you are.
If the U.S. is attacking Iraq in order to draw the terrorists there,
don't you think that at least a few of their leaders might figure out
that the clever thing to do would be to retailiate in the U.S. to show
the U.S. people the futility of that strategy?
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:21:22
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
Alan Baker wrote:
> The fallacy in all of this is your assumption that all the enemies of
> the United States are has short-sighted and stupid as you are.
>
> If the U.S. is attacking Iraq in order to draw the terrorists there,
> don't you think that at least a few of their leaders might figure out
> that the clever thing to do would be to retailiate in the U.S. to show
> the U.S. people the futility of that strategy?
FFS ... why bother arguing with a looney?
--
Cheers
Colin Wilson
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 16:30:06
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:21:22 GMT, Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com >
wrote:
>Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> The fallacy in all of this is your assumption that all the enemies of
>> the United States are has short-sighted and stupid as you are.
>>
>> If the U.S. is attacking Iraq in order to draw the terrorists there,
>> don't you think that at least a few of their leaders might figure out
>> that the clever thing to do would be to retailiate in the U.S. to show
>> the U.S. people the futility of that strategy?
>
>FFS ... why bother arguing with a looney?
Read something, please! I get the feeling on the DB that I am the
only one who has read a single book about Islam, especially Radical
Islam. Several good books have been written by Muslims- explaining
the entire movement back to the crusades--and explaining the current
world situation, the Madrassa schools, etc. . There is absolutely no
doubt about their plans-- the head of MI-6 in the UK has admitted they
are tracking upwards from 30 separate plots to attack America and the
UK. She is scared and for good reason. Only idiots would ignore
this threat..
Larry
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| | | | | | |
Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:38:03
From: Peter
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <6a3il2555n43c8s41mkefrq6kajh120h3u@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:21:22 GMT, Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Alan Baker wrote:
> >
> >> The fallacy in all of this is your assumption that all the enemies of
> >> the United States are has short-sighted and stupid as you are.
> >>
> >> If the U.S. is attacking Iraq in order to draw the terrorists there,
> >> don't you think that at least a few of their leaders might figure out
> >> that the clever thing to do would be to retailiate in the U.S. to show
> >> the U.S. people the futility of that strategy?
> >
> >FFS ... why bother arguing with a looney?
>
> Read something, please! I get the feeling on the DB that I am the
> only one who has read a single book about Islam, especially Radical
> Islam. Several good books have been written by Muslims- explaining
> the entire movement back to the crusades--and explaining the current
> world situation, the Madrassa schools, etc. . There is absolutely no
> doubt about their plans-- the head of MI-6 in the UK has admitted they
> are tracking upwards from 30 separate plots to attack America and the
> UK. She is scared and for good reason. Only idiots would ignore
> this threat..
>
> Larry
What are some of these books you've read?
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| | | | | | | |
Date: 13 Nov 2006 16:49:23
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:38:03 GMT, Peter <none@atnowhere.net > wrote:
>In article <6a3il2555n43c8s41mkefrq6kajh120h3u@4ax.com>,
> larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:21:22 GMT, Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Alan Baker wrote:
>> >
>> >> The fallacy in all of this is your assumption that all the enemies of
>> >> the United States are has short-sighted and stupid as you are.
>> >>
>> >> If the U.S. is attacking Iraq in order to draw the terrorists there,
>> >> don't you think that at least a few of their leaders might figure out
>> >> that the clever thing to do would be to retailiate in the U.S. to show
>> >> the U.S. people the futility of that strategy?
>> >
>> >FFS ... why bother arguing with a looney?
>>
>> Read something, please! I get the feeling on the DB that I am the
>> only one who has read a single book about Islam, especially Radical
>> Islam. Several good books have been written by Muslims- explaining
>> the entire movement back to the crusades--and explaining the current
>> world situation, the Madrassa schools, etc. . There is absolutely no
>> doubt about their plans-- the head of MI-6 in the UK has admitted they
>> are tracking upwards from 30 separate plots to attack America and the
>> UK. She is scared and for good reason. Only idiots would ignore
>> this threat..
>>
>> Larry
>
>What are some of these books you've read?
Watch this--it is extremely effective.
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
Larry
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| | | | | | | | |
Date: 14 Nov 2006 02:29:27
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <cj4il21kk1lbao7v63q3abfhetdugm3mdp@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:38:03 GMT, Peter <none@atnowhere.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <6a3il2555n43c8s41mkefrq6kajh120h3u@4ax.com>,
> > larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:21:22 GMT, Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Alan Baker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The fallacy in all of this is your assumption that all the enemies of
> >> >> the United States are has short-sighted and stupid as you are.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the U.S. is attacking Iraq in order to draw the terrorists there,
> >> >> don't you think that at least a few of their leaders might figure out
> >> >> that the clever thing to do would be to retailiate in the U.S. to show
> >> >> the U.S. people the futility of that strategy?
> >> >
> >> >FFS ... why bother arguing with a looney?
> >>
> >> Read something, please! I get the feeling on the DB that I am the
> >> only one who has read a single book about Islam, especially Radical
> >> Islam. Several good books have been written by Muslims- explaining
> >> the entire movement back to the crusades--and explaining the current
> >> world situation, the Madrassa schools, etc. . There is absolutely no
> >> doubt about their plans-- the head of MI-6 in the UK has admitted they
> >> are tracking upwards from 30 separate plots to attack America and the
> >> UK. She is scared and for good reason. Only idiots would ignore
> >> this threat..
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >What are some of these books you've read?
>
> Watch this--it is extremely effective.
>
> http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
>
> Larry
Why won't you answer a simple question?
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 18:59:32
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:49:23 -0800, larry <larry@delmardata.com >
wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:38:03 GMT, Peter <none@atnowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <6a3il2555n43c8s41mkefrq6kajh120h3u@4ax.com>,
>> larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>>> Read something, please! I get the feeling on the DB that I am the
>>> only one who has read a single book about Islam, especially Radical
>>> Islam. Several good books have been written by Muslims- explaining
>>> the entire movement back to the crusades--and explaining the current
>>> world situation, the Madrassa schools, etc. . There is absolutely no
>>> doubt about their plans-- the head of MI-6 in the UK has admitted they
>>> are tracking upwards from 30 separate plots to attack America and the
>>> UK. She is scared and for good reason. Only idiots would ignore
>>> this threat..
>>>
>>> Larry
>>
>>What are some of these books you've read?
>
>Watch this--it is extremely effective.
>
> http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm
>
>Larry
Ducking the question, LLLLLLarrrry dives for Google to look up some
titles.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:13:03
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <6_76h.64160$rP1.42067@news-server.bigpond.net.au >,
Colin Wilson <nowhere@nospam.com > wrote:
> Alan Baker wrote:
>
> > The fallacy in all of this is your assumption that all the enemies of
> > the United States are has short-sighted and stupid as you are.
> >
> > If the U.S. is attacking Iraq in order to draw the terrorists there,
> > don't you think that at least a few of their leaders might figure out
> > that the clever thing to do would be to retailiate in the U.S. to show
> > the U.S. people the futility of that strategy?
>
> FFS ... why bother arguing with a looney?
Because a calm and rational argument is the best response to a looney.
It's makes his lunacy stand out in high relief. <g >
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 23:22:41
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <p3uhl29ulnj96tub7hfuujnarnqrhqflur@4ax.com >
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
>
> On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >larry wrote:
> >> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> >> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> >> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> >> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> >> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> >> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> >> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
> >> >>
> >> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> >> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> >> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> >> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> >> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> >> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> >> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> >> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> >> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> >> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> >> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> >> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
> >> >>
> >> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> >> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> >> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> >> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> >> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> >> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> >> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> >> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> >> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> >> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> >> >> joining a winning cause.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> >> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> >> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> >> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> >> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
> >> >>
> >> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> >> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> >> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> >> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> >> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> >> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> >> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> >> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> >> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> >> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> >> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> >> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >
> >> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
> >> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
> >>
> >> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
> >> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
> >> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
> >> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
> >> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
> >> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
> >> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
> >> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
> >> that includes you.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >
> >Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
> >share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
> >if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
> >terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
> >have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
> >include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
> >Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
> >extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
> >generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
> >encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
> >decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
> >taking the time to enlighten us.
>
> I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
> than allowing them to hit us here.
>
> The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
> pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
> terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
> withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
> spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
> horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
> one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
> our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
> not recovered yet!
>
> Your children and grandchildren could live in 3d world conditions if
> they succeed.
>
> Larry
If the US would not have been duped by the dope, we would have
concentrated efforts in Afghanistan and probably had bin laden by this
time. I bet, old bin was so happy to see us going into iraq that he
probably just about died laughing. Of course, the stay the course turds
like yourself who never admit mistakes, and don't have to because we all
know them (and you do too, down deep, don't you larry?) and know the
Levin today met with the generals on the ground to begin a planned
withdrawl, much with the blessings as they are reporting tonight, of
those very same ground forces' generals.
And of course lar, "In your heart you know we're right."
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:46:29
From: larry
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
On 13 Nov 2006 23:22:41 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header >
wrote:
>In article <p3uhl29ulnj96tub7hfuujnarnqrhqflur@4ax.com>
>larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >larry wrote:
>> >> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >larry wrote:
>> >> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
>> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
>> >> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
>> >> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
>> >> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
>> >> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
>> >> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
>> >> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
>> >> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
>> >> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
>> >> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
>> >> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
>> >> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
>> >> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
>> >> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
>> >> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
>> >> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
>> >> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
>> >> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
>> >> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
>> >> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
>> >> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
>> >> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
>> >> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
>> >> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
>> >> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
>> >> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
>> >> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
>> >> >> joining a winning cause.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
>> >> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
>> >> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
>> >> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
>> >> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
>> >> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
>> >> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
>> >> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
>> >> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
>> >> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
>> >> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
>> >> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
>> >> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
>> >> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
>> >> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
>> >> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Larry
>> >> >
>> >> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
>> >> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
>> >>
>> >> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
>> >> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
>> >> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
>> >> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
>> >> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
>> >> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
>> >> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
>> >> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
>> >> that includes you.
>> >>
>> >> Larry
>> >
>> >
>> >Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
>> >share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
>> >if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
>> >terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
>> >have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
>> >include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
>> >Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
>> >extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
>> >generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
>> >encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
>> >decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
>> >taking the time to enlighten us.
>>
>> I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
>> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
>> than allowing them to hit us here.
>>
>> The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
>> pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
>> terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
>> withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
>> spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
>> horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
>> one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
>> our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
>> not recovered yet!
>>
>> Your children and grandchildren could live in 3d world conditions if
>> they succeed.
>>
>> Larry
>
>If the US would not have been duped by the dope, we would have
>concentrated efforts in Afghanistan and probably had bin laden by this
>time. I bet, old bin was so happy to see us going into iraq that he
>probably just about died laughing. Of course, the stay the course turds
>like yourself who never admit mistakes, and don't have to because we all
>know them (and you do too, down deep, don't you larry?) and know the
>Levin today met with the generals on the ground to begin a planned
>withdrawl, much with the blessings as they are reporting tonight, of
>those very same ground forces' generals.
>And of course lar, "In your heart you know we're right."
Read something boob. That opinion is simply childish, beyond naive.
There are many thousands of men as dedicated as Bin Ladin who would
instantly take his place. There are millions of radical Islamics who
have devoted their lives to bringing down the West, to killing
Infidels starting with the 300 Million who live in the US. They will
eagerly commit suicide while killing you. This is a different enemy
than we have EVER faced. Grow up. It is reprehensible that our
Democratic party has been totally irresponsible during the last 4
years-- destroying this country's confidence in its leadership as
necessary to regain power. But with power goes responsibility-- and I
know they don't have a clue about what to do next--
Our only hope was to keep Al Queda bogged down in Iraq and
Afghanistan-- hopefully expending their energy and their resources
there instead of on NYC, LA and San Francisco. But nobody doubts they
are continually gather resources and planning. Every day hundreds of
fanatics graduate from those Madressa schools-- kids with no other
ambition than to kill themselves while killing you. The head of
British Intelligence has said there are at least 30 on-going plots
there to attack the UK and America.
When the worst of them can leave Iraq and Afghanistan, they will
simply move their attacks here. We will be unable to stop them. NYC
will look like Baghdad in only months. Our stock market will crash,
our banking system will crash as investors panic and pull their money.
In only a few months this country will be like a 3d world country.
THAT is what is at stake in Iraq. Please read a book about Radical
Islam.
Larry
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 13:05:46
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
|
In article <na0il2lpgpfddolvap3t0lh7ju0gmh5cb5@4ax.com >
larry <larry@delmardata.com > wrote:
>
> On 13 Nov 2006 23:22:41 -0000, tiggerspalewife <anon@comments.header>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <p3uhl29ulnj96tub7hfuujnarnqrhqflur@4ax.com>
> >larry <larry@delmardata.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 13 Nov 2006 11:48:07 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Nov 2006 10:32:28 -0800, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >larry wrote:
> >> >> >> This is an excerpt from Stratfor:
> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Osama bin Laden told us on videotape that he is the unashamed,
> >> >> >> full-fledged and gleefully proud terrorist that attacked the U.S. on
> >> >> >> Sept. 11, 2001. He took full credit, with great pride, for the attacks
> >> >> >> that took the lives of almost 3,000 innocent people. He has stated in
> >> >> >> clear and unambiguous terms those attacks, along with the U.S.S. Cole,
> >> >> >> the embassy and Kobar Towers were his handiwork. He is without a doubt
> >> >> >> a terrorist's terrorist.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He told you why terrorists have grown in numbers and why they have
> >> >> >> been unleashed on the world. He made it abundantly clear the effect
> >> >> >> the cut and run policy in Somalia had on his fellow terrorists. It
> >> >> >> reinforced, in the Madrases and terrorist training camps, that America
> >> >> >> is a ''paper tiger.'' A nation that has no stomach for battle or
> >> >> >> bloodshed. He and his clan sensed the fear of the cut and run pansies
> >> >> >> and it was ''game on'' from that moment forward. He saw immediately
> >> >> >> his greatest recruiting tool for his jihad was victory. The Cole,
> >> >> >> Kobar Towers, the embassy and ultimately Sept. 11 were all huge
> >> >> >> victories. That is what emboldened the terrorists and caused more to
> >> >> >> join. Ask any terrorism expert. The terrorists witnessed the real
> >> >> >> possibility of defeating the great Satan-America.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> According to, Michael Rubin, a spokesperson for the American
> >> >> >> Enterprise Institute, every time a Hollywood genius, political pundit
> >> >> >> or leader in D.C. even suggests we leave Iraq, the terrorists use it
> >> >> >> to show the faithful that victory is at hand. They tell their
> >> >> >> followers, just like in Somalia, if the blood runs deep enough America
> >> >> >> will run. They refer to Vietnam. They tell jihadists, ''America is in
> >> >> >> its last throws.'' ''They are about to surrender. Now is the time to
> >> >> >> increase the fight for victory is in sight.'' Terrorists are very
> >> >> >> savvy to take the rhetoric from the politicians and media pundits and
> >> >> >> play it for recruits. These messages are convincing them they are
> >> >> >> joining a winning cause.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Then another terrorist blows himself up in front of a school packed
> >> >> >> with Iraqi children and kills more innocents knowing full well the
> >> >> >> blood of those kids will prompt screams from the cut and run crowd in
> >> >> >> America. Then the vicious cycle starts all over again. Terrorists now
> >> >> >> use the media and the calls for withdrawal as effectively as IEDs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So if you truly want to know what produces more terrorists, ask the
> >> >> >> head terrorist. He will tell you that victory, or at least perceived
> >> >> >> victory, is his greatest tool. Or you can ask Harry Reid, Nancy
> >> >> >> Pelosi, John Murtha or even the now growing number of cut and run
> >> >> >> cowards on the republican side who care more about re-election than
> >> >> >> keeping the country safe. They are sending a strong signal to our
> >> >> >> enemy. A message that victory is close at hand if leading Americans
> >> >> >> are ready to cut and run. Terrorists have seen it before and they are
> >> >> >> staking their lives on it now. The cut and run group will say leave
> >> >> >> and negotiate. Allow Iraqis to protect Iraq. That is music to the
> >> >> >> terrorists' ears. Look at the great results we are seeing in North
> >> >> >> Korea and Iran with negotiation."
> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2007 will likely see the first wave of new US Mainland attacks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Larry
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Gosh, thanks, Larry. Forgive me, but I still don't see how "winning" in
> >> >> >Iraq, whatever that entails, insulates the US from terrorist attacks.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have said a dozen times that we were simply occupying them in Iraq,
> >> >> sapping their energy because they could NOT allow Iraq to become a
> >> >> thriving democracy in the middle of Arab countries. But once that
> >> >> was solved, they would be free to turn those thousands and thousands
> >> >> of young martyrs loose on America, Canada, England, and Israel, etc.
> >> >> And that is exactly what will happen after we withdraw-- the only
> >> >> question is when the attacks will begin-- but there is no question of
> >> >> who will be fully responsible. The DEMOCRATS! If you voted lefty--
> >> >> that includes you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Right, of course. What was I thinking? If I could impose upon you to
> >> >share your billiance with me just one more time, is it your view that
> >> >if we "stay the course" in Iraq and "finish the job," all the
> >> >terrorists will be either dead or so demoralized that they'll no longer
> >> >have the stomach to attack U.S. interests? And if so, would that
> >> >include all the terrorists and potential terrorists that are not in
> >> >Iraq at present, such as the thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban
> >> >extremists now massed in western Pakistan? And would the next
> >> >generation of Muslim martyrs now being inculcated in madrassas and
> >> >encouraged by their parents to blow themselves up for their cause
> >> >decide that attacking the U.S. just isn't worth it? Thanks again for
> >> >taking the time to enlighten us.
> >>
> >> I have never been hopeful there is a good solution-- but holding them
> >> there for a generation (20 years) is a LOT better interim solution
> >> than allowing them to hit us here.
> >>
> >> The next big attack will SQUASH our economy. Foreign investors will
> >> pull their funds when they realize America is helpless to prevent
> >> terrorist attacks such as are on-going in Baghdad. That massive
> >> withdrawal from all over the world will send our economy into a death
> >> spiral-- depression and 50%+ joblessness. There will be many more
> >> horrible ramifications from even one large attack, but the economic
> >> one is bad enough-- Ben Ladin predicted exactly what would happen to
> >> our economy after 9/11 and he was right. Some of our industries have
> >> not recovered yet!
> >>
> >> Your children and grandchildren could live in 3d world conditions if
> >> they succeed.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> >If the US would not have been duped by the dope, we would have
> >concentrated efforts in Afghanistan and probably had bin laden by this
> >time. I bet, old bin was so happy to see us going into iraq that he
> >probably just about died laughing. Of course, the stay the course turds
> >like yourself who never admit mistakes, and don't have to because we all
> >know them (and you do too, down deep, don't you larry?) and know the
> >Levin today met with the generals on the ground to begin a planned
> >withdrawl, much with the blessings as they are reporting tonight, of
> >those very same ground forces' generals.
> >And of course lar, "In your heart you know we're right."
>
> Read something boob. That opinion is simply childish, beyond naive.
> There are many thousands of men as dedicated as Bin Ladin who would
> instantly take his place. There are millions of radical Islamics who
> have devoted their lives to bringing down the West, to killing
> Infidels starting with the 300 Million who live in the US. They will
> eagerly commit suicide while killing you. This is a different enemy
> than we have EVER faced. Grow up. It is reprehensible that our
> Democratic party has been totally irresponsible during the last 4
> years-- destroying this country's confidence in its leadership as
> necessary to regain power. But with power goes responsibility-- and I
> know they don't have a clue about what to do next--
>
> Our only hope was to keep Al Queda bogged down in Iraq and
> Afghanistan-- hopefully expending their energy and their resources
> there instead of on NYC, LA and San Francisco. But nobody doubts they
> are continually gather resources and planning. Every day hundreds of
> fanatics graduate from those Madressa schools-- kids with no other
> ambition than to kill themselves while killing you. The head of
> British Intelligence has said there are at least 30 on-going plots
> there to attack the UK and America.
>
> When the worst of them can leave Iraq and Afghanistan, they will
> simply move their attacks here. We will be unable to stop them. NYC
> will look like Baghdad in only months. Our stock market will crash,
> our banking system will crash as investors panic and pull their money.
> In only a few months this country will be like a 3d world country.
> THAT is what is at stake in Iraq. Please read a book about Radical
> Islam.
Why worry about radical islams when we have arrogant nut cases like
yourself running around, wrapping up in the flag trying to convince
everyone he is right about everything? No sport, there are far more
dangerous people right under our noses to worry about before stereotyping
a religion as wanting the US dead. But of course you know that you're
wrong but it's just too darn late to admit that to yourself.
Oh, McCain says more troops. Knowing your fondness of your repugs
position and them always being right, knowing how much you hate islam and
love war and killing, just how soon will you be signing up to go fight?
Too old?... how about family and friends. OK, just family then but will
you be signing them up or do you just do blathering lip service about
needing to "win in iraq?"
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 05:26:44
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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Head Shot wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
> > You are absolutely right. It is far, far worse to get a blowjob from
> > an intern than to mislead the country into the hopeless quagmire that
> > is Iraq.
>
> Before you go on the "Bill Clinton was not all that bad" rant; you should
> read up on Rwanda and his involvement in the genocide; including the parts
> involving Marc Rich.
>
> The blowjobs and lying about it - he should have said the truth when asked,
> which is "none of your fucking business, asshole". I will never
> understand why he didn't take that position. Nobody other than Hilary and
> Chelsea have a right to ask him about his sex life. That whole thing was a
> witch hunt and nothing more.
>
> But Rwanda - that was unforgivable. Did he talk about that in his book at
> all?
>
>
I haven't read his book, but I've heard him say that his inaction in
Rwanda was his greatest regret. But what are you saying about his
"involvement in the genocide?"
> --
> ___________________________________________________________
> A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
> I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
> gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
> Jefferson
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 18:24:12
From: BRH
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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Cut and Run?
I prefer my ballflight to be a slight draw that sticks and maybe spins
back to the pin.
.....You WERE talking about golf, right?
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 05:58:21
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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<BRH > wrote in message news:IP6dnVUCEqm0zcfYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Cut and Run?
>
> I prefer my ballflight to be a slight draw that sticks and maybe spins
> back to the pin.
>
> .....You WERE talking about golf, right?
Yea, don't golfers usually hit a cut shot when they don't want to run? I'm
confused.
Draws stick? God forbid that they should back up. I thought they just went
rolling into that 5 foot deep bunker you were trying to avoid at all costs.
Scott
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 14:25:03
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Cut and Run consequences coming
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larry wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:27:41 GMT, Michel Oui <GGOAT@example.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Lopez Gomez wrote:
> >>
> >> The very fact that Bin Laden is still alive and well...
> >
> >And you know this "fact" how?
> >
> > From the New York Times 07/03/2006:
> >"The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for
> >a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his
> >top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.
> >The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last
> >year and its analysts reassigned within the CIA
> >Counterterrorist Center, the officials said."
> >
> >No point in hunting for a dead guy, right?
>
> As Bush said years ago, that particular guy really doesn't matter.
He said that to rationalize the fact that he hadn't caught him. Go tell
the families of the 3,000 people bin Ladin killed that he "doesn't
matter."
We know someone else would (and probably has) instantly step up and
take
> his place. Thousands of fanatics hold similar ideas and goals.
> Essentially nothing will be accomplished by "getting" Bin laden. It
> would be about like getting Saddam, no big deal.
>
> larry
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