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Date: 29 Aug 2006 08:49:13
From: gp
Subject: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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Here's an excerpt from USA Today:
Two years ago, Woods answered questions about his sub-par Ryder Cup
record (7-11-2) by asking the people who easily cite Jack Nicklaus'
record for pro majors (18) if they could easily recall Nicklaus' record
in the Ryder Cup (17-8-3).
Silence, was the response. Woods' point, that golf history is made in
the majors, continued questions about his commitment to the Ryder Cup.
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Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
WTF??!! Isn't it obvious that his Ryder Cup record is disproportionate
to his playing record in similar formats??
It ain't just TW either that's guilty of not caring. Manboob's switch
to Callaway 2 years ago DURING the Ryder Cup is a case in point.
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 08:54:43
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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gp wrote:
> Here's an excerpt from USA Today:
>
> Two years ago, Woods answered questions about his sub-par Ryder Cup
> record (7-11-2) by asking the people who easily cite Jack Nicklaus'
> record for pro majors (18) if they could easily recall Nicklaus' record
> in the Ryder Cup (17-8-3).
>
> Silence, was the response. Woods' point, that golf history is made in
> the majors, continued questions about his commitment to the Ryder Cup.
>
>
>
> =========================================================
>
> Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
> events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
>
> WTF??!! Isn't it obvious that his Ryder Cup record is disproportionate
> to his playing record in similar formats??
>
> It ain't just TW either that's guilty of not caring. Manboob's switch
> to Callaway 2 years ago DURING the Ryder Cup is a case in point.
Tiger is intelligent and i'm sure he, like all decent americans, is
ashamed of what his country is. The terror and torture capitol of the
world.
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 10:03:13
From: Cesar Neri
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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Does Tom Lehman REALLY care about the Ryder Cup? Do all the other players
REALLY care about the Ryder Cup? The answer to these question is the same
answer to your question.
"gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:1156866553.545424.174050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Here's an excerpt from USA Today:
>
> Two years ago, Woods answered questions about his sub-par Ryder Cup
> record (7-11-2) by asking the people who easily cite Jack Nicklaus'
> record for pro majors (18) if they could easily recall Nicklaus' record
> in the Ryder Cup (17-8-3).
>
> Silence, was the response. Woods' point, that golf history is made in
> the majors, continued questions about his commitment to the Ryder Cup.
>
>
>
> =========================================================
>
> Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
> events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
>
> WTF??!! Isn't it obvious that his Ryder Cup record is disproportionate
> to his playing record in similar formats??
>
> It ain't just TW either that's guilty of not caring. Manboob's switch
> to Callaway 2 years ago DURING the Ryder Cup is a case in point.
>
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 07:55:21
From: Bert Robbins
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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Yes, Tom Lehman should care about the Ryder Cup because he doesn't want
to assume the status of Dennis Connor.
Cesar Neri wrote:
> Does Tom Lehman REALLY care about the Ryder Cup? Do all the other
> players REALLY care about the Ryder Cup? The answer to these question is
> the same answer to your question.
>
> "gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1156866553.545424.174050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> Here's an excerpt from USA Today:
>>
>> Two years ago, Woods answered questions about his sub-par Ryder Cup
>> record (7-11-2) by asking the people who easily cite Jack Nicklaus'
>> record for pro majors (18) if they could easily recall Nicklaus' record
>> in the Ryder Cup (17-8-3).
>>
>> Silence, was the response. Woods' point, that golf history is made in
>> the majors, continued questions about his commitment to the Ryder Cup.
>>
>>
>>
>> =========================================================
>>
>> Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
>> events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
>>
>> WTF??!! Isn't it obvious that his Ryder Cup record is disproportionate
>> to his playing record in similar formats??
>>
>> It ain't just TW either that's guilty of not caring. Manboob's switch
>> to Callaway 2 years ago DURING the Ryder Cup is a case in point.
>>
>
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 13:53:28
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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John B. wrote:
> C'mom...Does anybody REALLY care whether Tiger cares about the Ryder
> Cup?
Yes. To many golfers Tiger is a demi-god and they are eager to know his
thoughts. Also, since he is such a brilliant player, his attitude may
easily become pivotal in the up coming clash. F
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 13:52:40
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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X-No-Archive: yes
The cold hard fact is that players like Woods don't care as much about
the Ryder Cup as they do major tournaments. Right now, Woods is playing
several events in a row. No way he would do that just before The
Masters, or The Open. Will he do the best he can? Of course! Will he
order his schedule to maximize his game for the Ryder Cup, like he does
for The Masters? Reality speaks for itself!
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 14:58:57
From: multi
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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On 29 Aug 2006 13:52:40 -0700, "The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote:
>The cold hard fact is that players like Woods don't care as much about
>the Ryder Cup as they do major tournaments. Right now, Woods is playing
>several events in a row. No way he would do that just before The
>Masters, or The Open.
He's not doing it before the Ryder, either. He is playing several
events in a row, but he obviously cares more about the Ryder than the
Deutsche Bank, or he wouldn't have gone to Ireland this week. He has
next week off, so he'll have played a whopping one event in a row just
before the Ryder Cup.
> Will he do the best he can? Of course! Will he
>order his schedule to maximize his game for the Ryder Cup, like he does
>for The Masters? Reality speaks for itself!
Reality is he recently said he'd defend the WGC-Bridgestone next year,
the week before the PGA.
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 13:44:36
From: John B.
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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C'mom...Does anybody REALLY care whether Tiger cares about the Ryder
Cup?
gp wrote:
> Here's an excerpt from USA Today:
>
> Two years ago, Woods answered questions about his sub-par Ryder Cup
> record (7-11-2) by asking the people who easily cite Jack Nicklaus'
> record for pro majors (18) if they could easily recall Nicklaus' record
> in the Ryder Cup (17-8-3).
>
> Silence, was the response. Woods' point, that golf history is made in
> the majors, continued questions about his commitment to the Ryder Cup.
>
>
>
> =========================================================
>
> Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
> events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
>
> WTF??!! Isn't it obvious that his Ryder Cup record is disproportionate
> to his playing record in similar formats??
>
> It ain't just TW either that's guilty of not caring. Manboob's switch
> to Callaway 2 years ago DURING the Ryder Cup is a case in point.
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 12:32:54
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
> Tiger is intelligent and i'm sure he, like all decent americans, is
> ashamed of what his country is. The terror and torture capitol of the
> world.
Actually I=B4ve met a few Americans who are immensily negative towards
their own government. Negative thinking of any kind in the US team will
be a much needed boost for Europe. F
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Date: 29 Aug 2006 11:24:09
From: multi
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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On 29 Aug 2006 08:49:13 -0700, "gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
>events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
First, you have to throw out the team events. Tiger can't control
what his partner shoots, and he can't control whether his partner
wastes birdies by getting them on the same hole as he does. And I
reckon there is just as much pressure on a player who is teamed with
Tiger, as there is on someone playing against him in the last group on
Sunday --- and we all know how that usually goes.
In singles, Tiger is something like 5-2-1 in Ryder Cups and
President's Cups. Not bad.
Tiger's streak in the US Am was phenomenal. Not even the immortal
Bobby Jones won three Ams in a row. So judging Tiger's Ryder Cup
against the best streak in history is like saying Tiger OBVIOUSLY
doesn't want to win majors any more, because he only wins two per
year these days, and he won four in a row six years ago.
As for the WGC Match Play, Tiger is something like 23-5 in seven
events. No question that's a better ratio, but consider: He only
plays one singles match per Ryder Cup, but he needs to play six
singles matches to win the WGC. So if Tiger is playing well the week
of a Ryder Cup, he will win one singles match; if not, he will lose
one. If Tiger is playing well the week of a WGC, he will win six
matches. If he's playing his absolute worst, he will still lose only
one. And we'll ignore the fact in the WGC, he's always in his home
country, and he always plays the weakest guy in the tournament in the
first round. More favoritism.
Since the people who say Tiger doesn't care about the Ryder Cup think
he is supposed to win every time he plays, they should *expect* that
he'll win all the WGCs, and be 42-0 in his matches. As it turns out,
he wins just about half of the stroke play WGCs, so let's say he
should also win half the WGC match play events. If he wins, he goes
6-0 for the week. If he loses, he goes between 0-1 and 5-1. That
means his ratio of wins to losses at the WGC should be between 6-1 and
11-1, even if he only wins half the WGCs he plays. It's actually more
like four or five to one. So maybe it's just not that easy to beat
world class players every single time you tee it up.
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 03:14:21
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:24:09 -0700, multi wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2006 08:49:13 -0700, "gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
>>events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
>
> First, you have to throw out the team events. Tiger can't control what
> his partner shoots, and he can't control whether his partner wastes
> birdies by getting them on the same hole as he does. And I reckon there
> is just as much pressure on a player who is teamed with Tiger, as there
> is on someone playing against him in the last group on Sunday --- and we
> all know how that usually goes.
That's a very good point.
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 09:38:14
From: Cesar Neri
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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After that long-winded answer, you still didn't give a clue why Tiger CARES
about the Ryder Cup. You present evidence he can't win everytime he tees it
up with world-class players. Granted. But, if he does have a bad record in
the Ryder Cup which would lead the casual observer to conclude he doesn't
care about it, what facts can you present to the contrary, that he really
DOES care about the Ryder Cup. Because of his bad Ryder Cup record, the onus
of the proof is on those who claim that he DOES care.
"multi" <multi@asm.org > wrote in message
news:udu8f29l372emfif6n7pcmh6m1ojfbng1f@4ax.com...
> On 29 Aug 2006 08:49:13 -0700, "gp" <gopher70@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>Now, compare TW's record in non-Ryder Cup Match play (example the WGC
>>events and US Amatuers), to his lackluster Ryder Cup record.
>
> First, you have to throw out the team events. Tiger can't control
> what his partner shoots, and he can't control whether his partner
> wastes birdies by getting them on the same hole as he does. And I
> reckon there is just as much pressure on a player who is teamed with
> Tiger, as there is on someone playing against him in the last group on
> Sunday --- and we all know how that usually goes.
>
> In singles, Tiger is something like 5-2-1 in Ryder Cups and
> President's Cups. Not bad.
>
> Tiger's streak in the US Am was phenomenal. Not even the immortal
> Bobby Jones won three Ams in a row. So judging Tiger's Ryder Cup
> against the best streak in history is like saying Tiger OBVIOUSLY
> doesn't want to win majors any more, because he only wins two per
> year these days, and he won four in a row six years ago.
>
> As for the WGC Match Play, Tiger is something like 23-5 in seven
> events. No question that's a better ratio, but consider: He only
> plays one singles match per Ryder Cup, but he needs to play six
> singles matches to win the WGC. So if Tiger is playing well the week
> of a Ryder Cup, he will win one singles match; if not, he will lose
> one. If Tiger is playing well the week of a WGC, he will win six
> matches. If he's playing his absolute worst, he will still lose only
> one. And we'll ignore the fact in the WGC, he's always in his home
> country, and he always plays the weakest guy in the tournament in the
> first round. More favoritism.
>
> Since the people who say Tiger doesn't care about the Ryder Cup think
> he is supposed to win every time he plays, they should *expect* that
> he'll win all the WGCs, and be 42-0 in his matches. As it turns out,
> he wins just about half of the stroke play WGCs, so let's say he
> should also win half the WGC match play events. If he wins, he goes
> 6-0 for the week. If he loses, he goes between 0-1 and 5-1. That
> means his ratio of wins to losses at the WGC should be between 6-1 and
> 11-1, even if he only wins half the WGCs he plays. It's actually more
> like four or five to one. So maybe it's just not that easy to beat
> world class players every single time you tee it up.
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 14:57:32
From: FredK
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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"Cesar Neri" <Cesar.Neri@hp.com > wrote in message
news:44f5beff$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...
> After that long-winded answer, you still didn't give a clue why Tiger
CARES
> about the Ryder Cup. You present evidence he can't win everytime he tees
it
> up with world-class players. Granted. But, if he does have a bad record in
> the Ryder Cup which would lead the casual observer to conclude he doesn't
> care about it, what facts can you present to the contrary, that he really
> DOES care about the Ryder Cup. Because of his bad Ryder Cup record, the
onus
> of the proof is on those who claim that he DOES care.
>
Now *there* is twisted logic... Because his record is bad it is proof he
doesn't care unless there is proof he does.
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 13:05:10
From: Cesar Neri
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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I really don't mind my logic being called "twisted". It was actually the
original poster who has us all chasing our own tails because as you
mentioned, the only evidence we have is his bad play in the Ryder Cup, which
in no shape of form could show that he CARES about the Ryder Cup. I don't
think there any evidence that can be presented otherwise, ie, that he cares,
short of saying that just by the fact he plays in it means he CARES. Which
doesn't make sense for Tiger because even if he doesn't care, he's known for
being careful and being absolutely PC in his words and actions and there is
no way he could refuse playing in Ryder Cup. Because of all this, we are all
reduced to non-sequitur excuses like saying that he's not expected to play
well all the time agains first-rate competition.
"FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com > wrote in message
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> "Cesar Neri" <Cesar.Neri@hp.com> wrote in message
> news:44f5beff$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...
>> After that long-winded answer, you still didn't give a clue why Tiger
> CARES
>> about the Ryder Cup. You present evidence he can't win everytime he tees
> it
>> up with world-class players. Granted. But, if he does have a bad record
>> in
>> the Ryder Cup which would lead the casual observer to conclude he doesn't
>> care about it, what facts can you present to the contrary, that he really
>> DOES care about the Ryder Cup. Because of his bad Ryder Cup record, the
> onus
>> of the proof is on those who claim that he DOES care.
>>
>
> Now *there* is twisted logic... Because his record is bad it is proof he
> doesn't care unless there is proof he does.
>
>
>
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 12:12:57
From: multi
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:38:14 -0700, "Cesar Neri" <Cesar.Neri@hp.com >
wrote:
>After that long-winded answer, you still didn't give a clue why Tiger CARES
>about the Ryder Cup. You present evidence he can't win everytime he tees it
>up with world-class players. Granted. But, if he does have a bad record in
>the Ryder Cup which would lead the casual observer to conclude he doesn't
>care about it, what facts can you present to the contrary, that he really
>DOES care about the Ryder Cup. Because of his bad Ryder Cup record, the onus
>of the proof is on those who claim that he DOES care.
1. Each side of the Great Pyramid of Khufu was originally 440 Royal
Cubits long.
2. The air-speed velocity of an unladen European swallow is 45 mph.
3. Mr. Merrick had two portions of strawberries; Mr. Keefer had three;
Mr. Keith had two; Mr. Harding had two; Mr. Painter had two; Mr.
Carmody had two; Mr. Jorgensen had two; the three steward's mates each
had one; and Capt. Queeg had four. That accounts for only three
quarts, but the can contained FOUR quarts.
I rest my case.
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Date: 30 Aug 2006 13:33:57
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: C'mon...Does Tiger REALLY care about the Ryder Cup??
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"Cesar Neri" <Cesar.Neri@hp.com > writes:
> After that long-winded answer, you still didn't give a clue why Tiger
> CARES about the Ryder Cup. You present evidence he can't win everytime
> he tees it up with world-class players. Granted. But, if he does have
> a bad record in the Ryder Cup which would lead the casual observer to
> conclude he doesn't care about it, what facts can you present to the
> contrary, that he really DOES care about the Ryder Cup. Because of his
> bad Ryder Cup record, the onus of the proof is on those who claim that
> he DOES care.
Who is responsible for proving that there are people who
don't care whether Tiger cares about the Ryder Cup?
Don't bother to answer, I don't care.
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