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Date: 20 Sep 2006 07:29:04
From: The_Professor
Subject: Apology to R&B

FWIW, I do not think you are a racist. I am, however, tired of people
calling other people racists around here. You opened the door by
accusing me of calling you a racist when I did not.

You are no more a racist than Eric. If it is important for you to think
Eric is a racist, that's too bad for you. You and Eric are both
passionate, caring people, but you have almost opposite world views,
and thus I doubt you two will ever see eye to eye on anything. Calling
Eric a racist is hurtful, as it is to call you a racist; I see no
difference one way or the other there.

This is no olive branch; you have reaped what you have sown with me,
but you are no racist.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 10:42:15
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> > You don't seem as far gone as the other three, yet, you resist all
> attempts to bring you back to the flock.

Geez, he resists all attempts to bring him back to the flock? Bring the
fucking witch to the stake and burn him! F

Date: 20 Sep 2006 10:39:50
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Rob Davis wrote:
>> I suspect most of us have our own deep-seated racial/gender/cultural
> biases ... probably more so than we'd like to admit. But hopefully we're
> careful about letting it affect our words or actions. It's one thing
> to point out a statement that you think is racist ... being sensitive to
> prejudice in words or actions. But throwing a blanket "racist" tag at
> someone is pretty heavy handed, and I'd think twice.
Well said. Of course we prefer our own. Who doesn=B4t? My brother did a
research job for the UN in Africa (Kenya) some time ago - he never saw
such blatant racism as there. The Asians are well known for their
racism. But racism will slowly disappear, I guess, when the races get
thoroughly mixed and in the end there will be only the human race. F

Date: 20 Sep 2006 10:01:48
From:
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Gordo wrote:

> . As a result, while I don't agree
> with the voracity of some of their postings, I still enjoy my friends.
> When they get piled on (sometimes needlessly, sometimes justified) I
> get a little cheesed.
>
That's the part I don't get. Jumping in and defending Eric the Liar,
when as you said, the "pile on" is "sometimes justified." I agree with
your defending a friend who is needlessly attacked, this is rarely the
case with the lying sonofabitch known far and wide as Eric the Liar.
You don't seem as far gone as the other three, yet, you resist all
attempts to bring you back to the flock.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:46:34
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Rob Davis wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > FWIW, I do not think you are a racist. I am, however, tired of people
> > calling other people racists around here. You opened the door by
> > accusing me of calling you a racist when I did not.
> >
> > You are no more a racist than Eric. If it is important for you to think
> > Eric is a racist, that's too bad for you. You and Eric are both
> > passionate, caring people, but you have almost opposite world views,
> > and thus I doubt you two will ever see eye to eye on anything. Calling
> > Eric a racist is hurtful, as it is to call you a racist; I see no
> > difference one way or the other there.
> >
> > This is no olive branch; you have reaped what you have sown with me,
> > but you are no racist.
> >
>
> People play that "racist" card a little quickly and often around here
> IMHO. It often has nothing to do with the current argument or
> discussion, and is simply used to insult someone or somehow prove their
> own "superiority".
>
> I suspect most of us have our own deep-seated racial/gender/cultural
> biases ... probably more so than we'd like to admit. But hopefully we're
> careful about letting it affect our words or actions. It's one thing
> to point out a statement that you think is racist ... being sensitive to
> prejudice in words or actions. But throwing a blanket "racist" tag at
> someone is pretty heavy handed, and I'd think twice.
>
> Rob

Well said....both Rob's. : >

-Greg

Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:18:56
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > FWIW, I do not think you are a racist. I am, however, tired of people
> > calling other people racists around here. You opened the door by
> > accusing me of calling you a racist when I did not.
> >
> > You are no more a racist than Eric. If it is important for you to think
> > Eric is a racist, that's too bad for you. You and Eric are both
> > passionate, caring people, but you have almost opposite world views,
> > and thus I doubt you two will ever see eye to eye on anything. Calling
> > Eric a racist is hurtful, as it is to call you a racist; I see no
> > difference one way or the other there.
> >
> > This is no olive branch; you have reaped what you have sown with me,
> > but you are no racist.
>
> It takes a big man to apologize, obviously you are not quite big
> enough for the job. Do you read the shit that you post to this group?
> You and Eric the Liar and Dene the Turd could be one person. I
> mercifully left out little Gordo/Chris, as I keep thinking he will wake
> up and see what he's doing.

Appreciate the words (I think). Here's my dilemma, take if for what
it's worth. I have played a lot of golf with Eric, Rob and Dene. I
enjoy the times that we have on the golfcourse. They all bring
something to the table golf wise that is really interesting to me. We
have forged a friendship from that. As a result, while I don't agree
with the voracity of some of their postings, I still enjoy my friends.
When they get piled on (sometimes needlessly, sometimes justified) I
get a little cheesed.

There are other members of RSG that I've played golf with. Common
interests on the course do not make it off the course. That's OK as a
golf partner is a golf partner.

Not sure if I'm answering or clarifying anything for you, not sure that
I really have to. You seem to be having difficulty with my handle.
Let me just tell you that my first name is Chris(topher), my middle
name is Gordon. Whether it means fat in spanish or not, it's the
handle that I choose. People know that. You do now.

In closing, let me use my tag line from the GEA...........

Have a Nice Day!

Date: 20 Sep 2006 16:07:01
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

The_Professor wrote:
> FWIW, I do not think you are a racist. I am, however, tired of people
> calling other people racists around here. You opened the door by
> accusing me of calling you a racist when I did not.
>
> You are no more a racist than Eric. If it is important for you to think
> Eric is a racist, that's too bad for you. You and Eric are both
> passionate, caring people, but you have almost opposite world views,
> and thus I doubt you two will ever see eye to eye on anything. Calling
> Eric a racist is hurtful, as it is to call you a racist; I see no
> difference one way or the other there.
>
> This is no olive branch; you have reaped what you have sown with me,
> but you are no racist.
>

People play that "racist" card a little quickly and often around here
IMHO. It often has nothing to do with the current argument or
discussion, and is simply used to insult someone or somehow prove their
own "superiority".

I suspect most of us have our own deep-seated racial/gender/cultural
biases ... probably more so than we'd like to admit. But hopefully we're
careful about letting it affect our words or actions. It's one thing
to point out a statement that you think is racist ... being sensitive to
prejudice in words or actions. But throwing a blanket "racist" tag at
someone is pretty heavy handed, and I'd think twice.

Rob

Date: 20 Sep 2006 07:58:20
From:
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

The_Professor wrote:
> FWIW, I do not think you are a racist. I am, however, tired of people
> calling other people racists around here. You opened the door by
> accusing me of calling you a racist when I did not.
>
> You are no more a racist than Eric. If it is important for you to think
> Eric is a racist, that's too bad for you. You and Eric are both
> passionate, caring people, but you have almost opposite world views,
> and thus I doubt you two will ever see eye to eye on anything. Calling
> Eric a racist is hurtful, as it is to call you a racist; I see no
> difference one way or the other there.
>
> This is no olive branch; you have reaped what you have sown with me,
> but you are no racist.

It takes a big man to apologize, obviously you are not quite big
enough for the job. Do you read the shit that you post to this group?
You and Eric the Liar and Dene the Turd could be one person. I
mercifully left out little Gordo/Chris, as I keep thinking he will wake
up and see what he's doing.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 07:37:43
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Date: 21 Sep 2006 03:21:46
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

annika1980 wrote:

> "R&B" wrote:
> >
> > > You seem a decent enough person to me, but if you are going to
> > > badger me over months and even years because I beleive any good
> > > golfer can hit a 186 4I
> >
> >
> > I believe the shot was with a 6-iron. But I could be wrong. I'm pretty
> > sure 4-iron would be a bit too much club for Tiger from 186.
> >
>
> If memory serves, Rob claimed that he could hit that shot but it would
> be a 4-iron for him. I've always thought that was kinda odd since I'd
> bet he couldn't hit a 4-iron 186 yards and stop it on a dime from a
> tee, let alone punching it from high rough. I know I can't hit one
> that far and Rob is about as short as I am distance-wise. The
> difference between me and Rob is that I'd never try that shot. I would
> just take a Rescue 3 and smooth it from that distance.

It was a 4I, as I recall. He was in a grassy lie in the woods. The ball
stopped inside about 8' from where it first hit. Beyond that, big whoop!

Date: 21 Sep 2006 21:45:05
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45120386.F420735C@att.net...
>
>
> annika1980 wrote:
>
>> "R&B" wrote:
>> >
>> > > You seem a decent enough person to me, but if you are going to
>> > > badger me over months and even years because I beleive any good
>> > > golfer can hit a 186 4I
>> >
>> >
>> > I believe the shot was with a 6-iron. But I could be wrong. I'm
>> > pretty
>> > sure 4-iron would be a bit too much club for Tiger from 186.
>> >
>>
>> If memory serves, Rob claimed that he could hit that shot but it would
>> be a 4-iron for him. I've always thought that was kinda odd since I'd
>> bet he couldn't hit a 4-iron 186 yards and stop it on a dime from a
>> tee, let alone punching it from high rough. I know I can't hit one
>> that far and Rob is about as short as I am distance-wise. The
>> difference between me and Rob is that I'd never try that shot. I would
>> just take a Rescue 3 and smooth it from that distance.
>
> It was a 4I, as I recall. He was in a grassy lie in the woods. The ball
> stopped inside about 8' from where it first hit. Beyond that, big whoop!

On this one, Rob, we can simply agree to disagree.

You dismiss the expertise of television announcers -- as if to say you know
more about this stuff than they do, never mind the fact that most of them
have actually played on TOUR, while you...uh...haven't -- in asserting that
a shot they said, perhaps with some degree of exaggeration, is one "only
Tiger can hit." I won't go so far as to agree with them, either. But to
dismiss their expertise on the matter and defer to yours instead? Well,
let's just say that requires a bit more of a leap than I'm willing to make,
thanks.

They were there. You weren't.

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 19:49:25
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

long&left wrote:
> >
> > I disagree that an apology is classy. What is so classy about it? It
> > doesn't take a "big man" to apologize, especially on an online forum.
> > Classy is the person who doesn't need to hear an apology.

> uh, sorry, IMO that's bullshit...even the bullshit that was snipped
> because it was bullshit
>
> get over yourself

I'll expect a complete and heartfelt apology from you tomorrow, or else
I'm calling your wife a toothless old hag.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 19:57:41
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

annika1980 wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>>> I disagree that an apology is classy. What is so classy about it? It
>>> doesn't take a "big man" to apologize, especially on an online forum.
>>> Classy is the person who doesn't need to hear an apology.
>
>> uh, sorry, IMO that's bullshit...even the bullshit that was snipped
>> because it was bullshit
>>
>> get over yourself
>
> I'll expect a complete and heartfelt apology from you tomorrow, or else
> I'm calling your wife a toothless old hag.
>

I'm sorry that you're not in bed at this late hour back there :)

Date: 20 Sep 2006 19:31:51
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"R&B" wrote:
>
> > You seem a decent enough person to me, but if you are going to
> > badger me over months and even years because I beleive any good
> > golfer can hit a 186 4I
>
>
> I believe the shot was with a 6-iron. But I could be wrong. I'm pretty
> sure 4-iron would be a bit too much club for Tiger from 186.
>

If memory serves, Rob claimed that he could hit that shot but it would
be a 4-iron for him. I've always thought that was kinda odd since I'd
bet he couldn't hit a 4-iron 186 yards and stop it on a dime from a
tee, let alone punching it from high rough. I know I can't hit one
that far and Rob is about as short as I am distance-wise. The
difference between me and Rob is that I'd never try that shot. I would
just take a Rescue 3 and smooth it from that distance.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 19:24:39
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

long&left wrote:
> > That's why Annika's #1 Rule is still, "Never, EVER apologize!"
> >
>
> sometimes an apology is just a classy thing to do, regardless of the
> situation.

I disagree that an apology is classy. What is so classy about it? It
doesn't take a "big man" to apologize, especially on an online forum.
Classy is the person who doesn't need to hear an apology.

Let's pretend I said, "Your wife is a toothless old hag."
Then Eric chimes in and says, "Your wife is a toothless old hag who
fucks crackheads for quarters." The next day, Eric realizes the
offense and offers you "a deep heartfelt apology" for his comments. Is
your opinion of Eric magically elevated beyond what you think of me or
what your opinion was of him on the previous day? If so, you'll
believe anything. Keep voting Republican.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 19:46:20
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

annika1980 wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>>> That's why Annika's #1 Rule is still, "Never, EVER apologize!"
>>>
>> sometimes an apology is just a classy thing to do, regardless of the
>> situation.
>
> I disagree that an apology is classy. What is so classy about it? It
> doesn't take a "big man" to apologize, especially on an online forum.
> Classy is the person who doesn't need to hear an apology.
>

uh, sorry, IMO that's bullshit...even the bullshit that was snipped
because it was bullshit

get over yourself

Date: 20 Sep 2006 18:09:07
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"R&B" wrote:

> Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>
> It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
> Pennsylvania Avenue.
>
> For that reason alone, I'm surprised you haven't rethought it.

Usually, you have to admit you've made a mistake before you apologize.
Bush has never admitted to making any errors that I'm aware of.
I admit to making plenty of them (answering this post is just the
latest). But I don't apologize for them.
What good does it do? It's like saying, "I'm sorry I hit that ball out
of bounds, partner."
Did the apology make the ball come back into bounds? Much better to
just say, "Play hard, pard."

If I say something stupid like calling someone a racist or cracking on
their wife, can I simply take it back with an apology? What's done is
done, what's said is said. No apology is going to change the past.
Perhaps an apology is intended to say, "I fucked up but please look
past that." It's been my experience that the people who are big enough
to look past it don't need an apology to do it. And the folks who will
hold a grudge will do so whether an apology is offered or not.

That's why Annika's #1 Rule is still, "Never, EVER apologize!"

Date: 20 Sep 2006 18:26:55
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

annika1980 wrote:
(snip)
> That's why Annika's #1 Rule is still, "Never, EVER apologize!"
>

sometimes an apology is just a classy thing to do, regardless of the
situation. Golf is a classy sport, and I imagine that most of those that
post here are classy individuals, even you. So, even you can apologize
every once in a while when the situation deems it necessary I would think?

I'm sorry for making this really lame post in a thread that I don't
belong in...

Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:38:32
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

The_Professor wrote:
<a wee bit of snippage >

A favor please Professor. Please do not do anything again in the
future that will require someone to explain why they're not a racist in
a kajillion lines. My head hurts just looking at the sheer number of
words that it took to try to make that point. Now, I'll go back to
trying to figure out what fold I'm supposed to be returning to. This
could take a while.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 16:20:37
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"R&B" wrote:
>
>
> You didn't call me a racist? Then why are you apologizing for calling me a
> racist?
>
> Like so many of the Rob Hamilton ironies we've seen here over the years,
> that's quite the head-scratcher.
>
>
You said I called you a racist when what I said was you are familiar
with racism. Ofter you said I called you a racist, I went ahead and
called you a racist. You have many many of these condascending and
demeaning types of statements over the years; of which this one is
fairly mild. One long diatribe where you suggested I claimed to be able
to hit a wedge 200 yards or something like, among many other things,
was really the last straw with me spiritually anyways. I simply am not
strong enough to take that kind of stuff from someone I would like to
call a friend. It sets me up to be hurt, and I am too old for that.

I have had a few inet sorts of disagreements with Eric, and they were
of no consequence. There was a real life serious misunderstanding
between our spouses that caused serious bad blood between us, but we
got over that.

I have nothing against you at all. You seem a decent enough person to
me, but if you are going to badger me over months and even years
because I beleive any good golfer can hit a 186 4I with spin out of a
grassy lie in the woods (for example), you just aren't someone I can
call a friend.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 20:56:54
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote ...
>
>
> You have many many of these condascending and
> demeaning types of statements over the years; of which
> this one is fairly mild.

But not mild enough to prevent the shitstorm that ensued, apparently.

> One long diatribe where you suggested I claimed to be able
> to hit a wedge 200 yards or something like, among many other
> things, was really the last straw with me spiritually anyways.

Oh, now that's rich!

Let's put this in the proper context, for the benefit of those looking in.

Your claim came on the heels of you saying that you could replicate the shot
hit by Tiger Woods, where he punched a 6-iron, I believe, from deep rough,
under tree branches, up and over a greenside bunker, and getting it to stop
on dime (or nearly so) to hold the green.

Your real argument was not that this was an easier shot than it was reported
to be on TV, but that the TV announcers made it sound as if Tiger Woods was
the only player on earth capable of hitting such a shot. You hate it when
they make such all-encompassing statements. And I know you're not alone in
that.

To demonstrate just how wrong the announcers were, you asserted that you
could hit such a shot any time.

I was not the only one to challenge you to hit it so others could witness
it. But of course, you declined the invitation.

> I simply am not strong enough to take that kind of stuff from someone
> I would like to call a friend. It sets me up to be hurt, and I am too old
> for that.

Being called a racist for no apparent reason sets me up to be hurt, too, not
that it would stop you from doing so.

Look, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

But to say you're not strong enough to take that stuff is a wee bit
off-track. The truth is, you're not strong enough to hit a six-iron from
4-inch rough, under tree branches, over a greenside bunker, and still get
the ball to stop on a time (or nearly so) to get it to hold the green.

> I have had a few inet sorts of disagreements with Eric, and they were
> of no consequence. There was a real life serious misunderstanding
> between our spouses that caused serious bad blood between us, but we
> got over that.

I'm happy for you. Unfortunately, Eric has never been man enough to
apologize for what he said about me and to admit he was dead wrong. The
minute he does, maybe he and I can move on, too.

> I have nothing against you at all.

Good. Because I have nothing against you, either. Never have.

> You seem a decent enough person to me, but if you are going to
> badger me over months and even years because I beleive any good
> golfer can hit a 186 4I

I believe the shot was with a 6-iron. But I could be wrong. I'm pretty
sure 4-iron would be a bit too much club for Tiger from 186.

> with spin out of a grassy lie in the woods (for example), you just
> aren't someone I can call a friend.

So let me get this straight. What you just said is you can't call someone a
freind if they don't believe a good golfer can hit a 4 (or 6) iron 186 yards
with spin out of deep rough. That is what you just said, right?

You have some interesting standards for friendship.

Not badgering. Just observing.

Randy

Date: 21 Sep 2006 01:35:58
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

\"R&B\" wrote:

snippitty...

whatever....I have a differnt opinion than you do on both the nature of grassy
lies in the woods and what kinds of shots a decent player can make from
them...and you still cannot give up you BS and houinding. Hardly
surprising...you are so knowledgeable on everyhting that all opinions must
conform to yours or the person will be hounded for eternity...so be it. I
certainly don't need friends like that. I'll go back to ignoring you, and
suggest you do the same for me.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:45:41
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"The_Professor" <dbid@att.net > wrote ...
>
> FWIW, I do not think you are a racist.

For once, you've said something that I agree with.

If I am a racist, it would come as a big surprise to the mostly-black church
of which I've been a member for the past several years, not to mention the
African-American woman to whom I was once engaged (before she died in '93),
not to mention the dozens and dozens of African-American friends I have,
some of whom I consider very, very close friends.

To even make such an accusation ignores all facts that are well-known (by
those who know me well), but is fairly typical of you and others with whom
you have shared the stage in this forum who are prone to tossing out
assertions without so much as a hint of evidence or knowledge to back it up.

> I am, however, tired of people calling other people racists
> around here.

There you go making another statement with which I agree. There is no
excuse for leveling baseless accusations concerning people about whom the
accuser knows very little, if anything, of what's truly in a person's heart.

> You opened the door by accusing me of calling you a racist
> when I did not.

You didn't call me a racist? Then why are you apologizing for calling me a
racist?

Like so many of the Rob Hamilton ironies we've seen here over the years,
that's quite the head-scratcher.

> You are no more a racist than Eric. If it is important for you to think
> Eric is a racist, that's too bad for you.

Once again, you level charges without having any facts.

Fact: I have not accused Eric of being racist. Others have, but I have
not. Maybe you have me confused with someone else. Either way, get your
facts straight next time. I have accused Eric of a lot of things, but I
cannot recall ever calling him a racist. Why would I? I don't think he's a
racist.

If, at some time in the past, Eric has made a statement that I deemed
racist, I might have said something about his statement being racist, but I
don't recall even doing that. But if I have, I would not have immediately
charged HIM with being racist. I've never had any feelings that Eric is
racist. Off-the-chain, yes. Racist, no.

> You and Eric are both passionate, caring people, but you have
> almost opposite world views,

Ironically, we probably agree on more things that fall under the heading of
"world view" than you might think.

Being in the health care industry, I'm quite sure, based on a few things
I've seen here from Eric, that he and I are in agreement on a number of
issues, including the unfortunate fact that too many people are uninsured,
that too much government spending goes toward killing people abroad while
too little is spent on healing them here at home. I'm quite sure that if
Eric and I were to ever sit down and list our "world views," we'd probably
find more common ground than areas of difference. I know we're in agreement
that George W. Bush has made a mess of things, but I don't want to go there
now, as it's not my intention to turn this into a bully-pulpit for my
political views.

> and thus I doubt you two will ever see eye to eye on anything.

No, as always, you miss the whole point.

My problem with Eric stems from one very specific incident two and a half
years ago in which he turned a debate about Dan Driscoll's attacks on him
for starting an off-topic thread about the Ten Commandments into an all-out
personal assault on me. He made so many ridiculous charges about me -- none
of which were the least bit relevant to the debate at the time -- that it
became a microcosm for his behavior here ever since: Buddy up to somebody,
and the minute they disagree with you, turn on them with all-out vengance,
regardless of the seriousness of the disagreement. Sound familiar? I was
only one in a long list of people against whom he pulled that same trick.

As I pointed out in a note to Dene just yesterday (or maybe 2 days ago),
there was never an apology from Eric -- other than a casual, off-handed
dismissal to make the issue go away. Never has Eric shown even a hint of
any authentic contrition over the events of that time. His unpleasantness
in this matter was reinforced and underscored in a private telephone
conversation we had in the days immediately following the initial dust-up,
in which he more or less re-stated the same things he said online, making it
clear in my mind that it was no accident he let it come out the way it did
in print.

Had Eric apologized -- sincerely -- and shown some amount of authentic
contrition over these events, this would have melted away months, maybe
years, ago.

But now, 2 and a half years later, it's a little late for that.

> Calling Eric a racist is hurtful, as it is to call you a racist; I see no
> difference one way or the other there.

Show me where I called Eric a racist. Google it and post it here. Do that,
and I'll take it back. I do not recall ever calling Eric a racist. I may
have said at some time that something he wrote was racist, but I do not
believe I have ever called him a racist. The reason I don't think I've ever
done so is because I don't believe he is a racist, and I never have believed
he is a racist.

Get your effin' facts straight, man.

> This is no olive branch; you have reaped what you have sown with me,
> but you are no racist.

Have I?

Here's what I have said about you privately to numerous others (and I'm sure
they'll vouch for me on this). I've said that Rob, while his online persona
seems to be one of bitterness and confrontation, seems quite the opposite in
person. He seems a fine fellow -- reflective, introspective, and a
gentleman. I've often observed of you that your demeanor in-person is one
of a quiet, non-aggressive fellow, and someone with whom I've shared several
moments discussing enough "meaning of life" subjects to get a true sense
that you have your head screwed on straight. I still believe all those
things about you. (Not to mention the complimentary things I've said about
your golf swing, which were equally sincere.)

Yet you continue to do one of those things I find most unattractive and
unpleasant when I see it in other people -- you always assume the worst.
Maybe it's a sign of a stage of cynisism that you're going through in life
that comes from...oh, hell, I would have no idea where it comes from. Maybe
being beaten up so much here in RSG. But to assert that I've been a leader
in those assaults against you here would be disingenuous, at best.

Rob, I do not recall ever calling you a racist. And I do not recall ever
calling Eric a racist.

Certainly, I have made flippant remarks about the two of you, and I think
I'd get a fairly unanimous chorus of approval from most of the readers of
this newsgroup for doing so when you deserved it. And don't think for a
minute that you've never deserved it. You have. I have, too, at times,
probably. And when I've received my fair share of disapproval, I've been
man enough to take it, rather than whining about being ganged up on, as you
and a few others have so often done.

The simple truth is this: Usenet is a place where people come to discuss
stuff. Rarely will you find Usenet so peaceful and serene that a statement
of opinion would ever go unchallenged. More often than not, such challenges
are framed in a way that raises the tone of the debate to something morem
shrill than merely "people agreeing to disagree." Surely anyone who's been
posting to Usenet for as long as you and I have would know that by now. I'm
okay with Usenet being what it is, even with its warts. You, obviously, see
that differently, as is your perogative.

Your apology is accepted.

And your lack of an extended olive branch is duly noted.

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:31:33
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

The_Professor wrote:

......a sad violation of Rule #1.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote ...
>
> The_Professor wrote:
>
>
> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.

Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.

It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue.

For that reason alone, I'm surprised you haven't rethought it.

For the record, it's my opinion that it's one thing to apologize; quite
another to admit when you've been in error. There have been more times than
I care to count when I've been willing to admit I've made a mistake, and I
take Rob's statement as just that.

Something about the lack of there being an olive branch extended makes it
seem something short of an apology, per se. But I accept it, nonetheless.

Randy

Date: 21 Sep 2006 08:33:55
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>>
>> The_Professor wrote:
>>
>>
>> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>
>
>
>Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>
>It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
>Pennsylvania Avenue.
>

Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
--

jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
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http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 21 Sep 2006 21:49:56
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote in message
news:ok15h2df7bdt63tr1mdl04rtp52ctmajn2@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>>>
>>> The_Professor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>>
>>
>>
>>Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>>
>>It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
>>Pennsylvania Avenue.
>>
>
> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?

Whatever, John.

Evidently, no one can have...and express...an opinion, unless it is in
agreement with your own.

Funny, but I've never heard you speak up against those who slide a political
line into their dialogue when it is as right-leaning as you are. Any idea
why that might be?

Randy

Date: 22 Sep 2006 08:33:22
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:49:56 -0400, "\"R&B\""
<noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote:

>
>"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote in message
>news:ok15h2df7bdt63tr1mdl04rtp52ctmajn2@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>>>>
>>>> The_Professor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>>>
>>>It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
>>>Pennsylvania Avenue.
>>>
>>
>> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
>
>
>Whatever, John.
>
>Evidently, no one can have...and express...an opinion, unless it is in
>agreement with your own.
>
>Funny, but I've never heard you speak up against those who slide a political
>line into their dialogue when it is as right-leaning as you are. Any idea
>why that might be?
>
>Randy
>

Whatever, Randy.

I come to RSG to discuss golf, believe it or not. Who would have
thought that in a golf group. I suspect if I had the google expertise
or interest I could dig up a post that you describe. But, as always,
it seems to be about "sides" and not about principle.

Forget it. It's like talking to a wall.
--

jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 11:23:01
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote in message
news:9ll7h2ls78o93s7lgb1heq59g3guq88ivt@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:49:56 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote in message
>>news:ok15h2df7bdt63tr1mdl04rtp52ctmajn2@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>>> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The_Professor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>>>>
>>>>It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
>>>>Pennsylvania Avenue.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
>>
>>
>>Whatever, John.
>>
>>Evidently, no one can have...and express...an opinion, unless it is in
>>agreement with your own.
>>
>>Funny, but I've never heard you speak up against those who slide a
>>political
>>line into their dialogue when it is as right-leaning as you are. Any idea
>>why that might be?
>>
>>Randy
>>
>
> Whatever, Randy.
>
> I come to RSG to discuss golf, believe it or not. Who would have
> thought that in a golf group. I suspect if I had the google expertise
> or interest I could dig up a post that you describe. But, as always,
> it seems to be about "sides" and not about principle.
>
> Forget it. It's like talking to a wall.

More like a door. A closed one, at that.

Randy

Date: 22 Sep 2006 16:04:09
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"John van der Pflum" <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote
>
> Whatever, Randy.
>
> I come to RSG to discuss golf, believe it or not. Who would have
> thought that in a golf group.

Just out of curiosity, if you come to RSG to discuss golf, then why did you
feel compelled to participate in these off-topic threads:

--

8/10/06 - "Cutting Saw" - (response to Rob Hamilton) - You're likely better
off just renting a real tile saw for the day. Measure all of your tile ahead
of time and cut them all at once.

--

9/12/06 - "My Wife" - (response to multi's off-topic, and as it turns out,
humorous post about his wife's visit to the dor, presumably a joke, but
unquestionably off-topic) - Totally had me -- hook, line, and sinker. I was
prepared to read the worst. :-)

--

5/16/06 - "OT: Computer Recycle) - (original article posted by you,
initiating this off-topic thread) - Does anyone know of a place that I can
recycle old computer parts? I'm looking for a place where I can just ship
it/drop it off and they take care of the rest. I don't know whether or not
the stuff I have works or not.

--

Here are just a few of the other off-topic threads you've participated in
recently:

"My dissertation on Ann Coulter"

"OT: Restraint in the Middle East"

"Have you ever cried to get out of a traffic ticket?"

"RIP - Steve Mizerak"

"The Immigration Issue"

--

So, since you seem a bit more willing to post about things other than golf
here than you'd like us to believe, one can only conclude that the only time
you really have a problem with people posting off-topic content is when it's
someone other than YOU posting it, and when the content they post disagrees
with your own views. Is that about it?

Just seeking clarification.

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:06:52
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Steve S wrote:
> "Gordo" <golfzlf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158784935.630347.144990@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >I got done with groupspeak BS when I finished my time in the Air Force.
>
> How about groupTHINK? I hear that's popular around here.
> >

Perhaps, but I'm not into that either.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 13:42:15
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> Gordo wrote:
>
> > . As a result, while I don't agree
> > with the voracity of some of their postings, I still enjoy my friends.
> > When they get piled on (sometimes needlessly, sometimes justified) I
> > get a little cheesed.
> >
> That's the part I don't get. Jumping in and defending Eric the Liar,
> when as you said, the "pile on" is "sometimes justified." I agree with
> your defending a friend who is needlessly attacked, this is rarely the
> case with the lying sonofabitch known far and wide as Eric the Liar.
> You don't seem as far gone as the other three, yet, you resist all
> attempts to bring you back to the flock.

Hmmm, I'm not sure which flock I'm supposed to be brought back to. I
got done with groupspeak BS when I finished my time in the Air Force.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 16:45:12
From: Steve S
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"Gordo" <golfzlf@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158784935.630347.144990@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>I got done with groupspeak BS when I finished my time in the Air Force.

How about groupTHINK? I hear that's popular around here.
>

Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:53:31
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"Steve S" <none@fughettaboutit.com > wrote
>
> How about groupTHINK? I hear that's popular around here.

I think it's fair to say that as far as this group is concerned, you'd get
far fewer votes for group think than you would for group sex.

And further proving that there is no group think in play here, I'm willing
to bet that not even that would result in a unanimous vote.

Randy

Date: 20 Sep 2006 13:10:18
From:
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Dene wrote:
> bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Gordo wrote:
> >
> > > . As a result, while I don't agree
> > > with the voracity of some of their postings, I still enjoy my friends.
> > > When they get piled on (sometimes needlessly, sometimes justified) I
> > > get a little cheesed.
> > >
> > That's the part I don't get. Jumping in and defending Eric the Liar,
> > when as you said, the "pile on" is "sometimes justified." I agree with
> > your defending a friend who is needlessly attacked, this is rarely the
> > case with the lying sonofabitch known far and wide as Eric the Liar.
> > You don't seem as far gone as the other three, yet, you resist all
> > attempts to bring you back to the flock.
>
> And you're part of this flock?
>
> -Greg

I am the flock.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 15:43:22
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

<bigoldcat2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158783014.299319.284320@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dene wrote:
>> bigoldcat2@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Gordo wrote:
>> >
>> > > . As a result, while I don't agree
>> > > with the voracity of some of their postings, I still enjoy my
>> > > friends.
>> > > When they get piled on (sometimes needlessly, sometimes justified) I
>> > > get a little cheesed.
>> > >
>> > That's the part I don't get. Jumping in and defending Eric the Liar,
>> > when as you said, the "pile on" is "sometimes justified." I agree with
>> > your defending a friend who is needlessly attacked, this is rarely the
>> > case with the lying sonofabitch known far and wide as Eric the Liar.
>> > You don't seem as far gone as the other three, yet, you resist all
>> > attempts to bring you back to the flock.
>>
>> And you're part of this flock?
>>
>> -Greg
>
> I am the flock.
>
Flock off you flockin flocker. :-)

Date: 20 Sep 2006 11:25:15
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Date: 21 Sep 2006 08:56:40
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

annika1980 wrote:
> Robert Hamilton wrote:
> > It was a 4I, as I recall. He was in a grassy lie in the woods. The ball
> > stopped inside about 8' from where it first hit. Beyond that, big whoop!
>
> OK, for argument's sake, we'll say it was a 4-iron. The point is that
> you claimed that you could easily hit that same shot. I claim that not
> only could you not repeat Tiger's shot, but that you can't hit a 4-iron
> 186 yards and stop it dead hitting the ball off a tee on a par-3.

I recall a 4I. I also recall that I said I might be able to make such a
shot with a 7W. I beleive my point was I could make that shot more
often than a certain scratch golfer poster to this group could break 80
from the #2 tees at Dancing Rabbit. I doubt I could make the shot as
often as you could break 80 there though!

In any event, I could care less. The issue allowed me to learn
something about some people here, and it is good to know...other than
that, it's about as meaningful as the Ryder Cup to me...other than
perhaps the identity of the organism Ian Woosnam wears on his head!
It's got hair, so I figure it's a mammal..but there are lots of mammals!

Date: 21 Sep 2006 11:04:41
From: Mike Dalecki
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

The_Professor wrote:
> annika1980 wrote:
>
>>Robert Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>It was a 4I, as I recall. He was in a grassy lie in the woods. The ball
>>>stopped inside about 8' from where it first hit. Beyond that, big whoop!
>>
>>OK, for argument's sake, we'll say it was a 4-iron. The point is that
>>you claimed that you could easily hit that same shot. I claim that not
>>only could you not repeat Tiger's shot, but that you can't hit a 4-iron
>>186 yards and stop it dead hitting the ball off a tee on a par-3.
>
>
> I recall a 4I. I also recall that I said I might be able to make such a
> shot with a 7W. I beleive my point was I could make that shot more
> often than a certain scratch golfer poster to this group could break 80
> from the #2 tees at Dancing Rabbit. I doubt I could make the shot as
> often as you could break 80 there though!
>
> In any event, I could care less. The issue allowed me to learn
> something about some people here, and it is good to know

You may trust with absolute certainty that the learning was not limited
to you.

--
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 07:27:38
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

John van der Pflum wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >John van der Pflum wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> >> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
> >> >>
> >> >> The_Professor wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
> >> >
> >> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
> >> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
> >
> >It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans the
> >flames for continued droning on about nothing.
> >
> >Tex
>
> I don't care whose fault it is or isn't. Is it REALLY that hard to
> not talk politics in a GOLF group?

Not at all....except you keep hitting it right of Limbaugh :)

Tex

Date: 21 Sep 2006 13:15:03
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

On 21 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >John van der Pflum wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> >> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The_Professor wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
>> >> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
>> >
>> >It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans the
>> >flames for continued droning on about nothing.
>> >
>> >Tex
>>
>> I don't care whose fault it is or isn't. Is it REALLY that hard to
>> not talk politics in a GOLF group?
>
>Not at all....except you keep hitting it right of Limbaugh :)
>
>Tex

Yeah, but everyonce in a while I drop kick a driver left of Helen
Thomas. It's because I don't finish my backswing -- hole #3 at The
Player's Club, eg.
--

jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
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http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Date: 21 Sep 2006 19:08:43
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
: On 21 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
:
: >
: >John van der Pflum wrote:
: >> On 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
: >>
: >> >
: >> >John van der Pflum wrote:
: >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
: >> >> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
: >> >>
: >> >> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >> The_Professor wrote:
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
: >> >> >
: >> >> >
: >> >> >
: >> >> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
: >> >> >
: >> >> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
: >> >> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
: >> >> >
: >> >>
: >> >> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
: >> >
: >> >It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans the
: >> >flames for continued droning on about nothing.
: >> >
: >> >Tex
: >>
: >> I don't care whose fault it is or isn't. Is it REALLY that hard to
: >> not talk politics in a GOLF group?
: >
: >Not at all....except you keep hitting it right of Limbaugh :)
:
: Yeah, but everyonce in a while I drop kick a driver left of Helen
: Thomas.

And yet you're still in the fairway on those!

(Left of me... now you've got a problem.)

--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/

Date: 21 Sep 2006 15:12:05
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:08:43 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:

>John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>: On 21 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>:
>:>
>:>John van der Pflum wrote:
>:>> On 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>:>>
>:>> >
>:>> >John van der Pflum wrote:
>:>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>:>> >> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>:>> >>
>:>> >> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>:>> >> >>
>:>> >> >> The_Professor wrote:
>:>> >> >>
>:>> >> >>
>:>> >> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>:>> >> >
>:>> >> >
>:>> >> >
>:>> >> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>:>> >> >
>:>> >> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
>:>> >> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
>:>> >> >
>:>> >>
>:>> >> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
>:>> >
>:>> >It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans the
>:>> >flames for continued droning on about nothing.
>:>> >
>:>> >Tex
>:>>
>:>> I don't care whose fault it is or isn't. Is it REALLY that hard to
>:>> not talk politics in a GOLF group?
>:>
>:>Not at all....except you keep hitting it right of Limbaugh :)
>:
>: Yeah, but everyonce in a while I drop kick a driver left of Helen
>: Thomas.
>
>And yet you're still in the fairway on those!
>
>(Left of me... now you've got a problem.)

It must be the first fairway at St. Andrews..........
--

jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 05:47:32
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Robert Hamilton wrote:
> It was a 4I, as I recall. He was in a grassy lie in the woods. The ball
> stopped inside about 8' from where it first hit. Beyond that, big whoop!

OK, for argument's sake, we'll say it was a 4-iron. The point is that
you claimed that you could easily hit that same shot. I claim that not
only could you not repeat Tiger's shot, but that you can't hit a 4-iron
186 yards and stop it dead hitting the ball off a tee on a par-3.

Date: 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

John van der Pflum wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>
> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
> >>
> >> The_Professor wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
> >
> >
> >
> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
> >
> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
> >
>
> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?

It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans the
flames for continued droning on about nothing.

Tex

Date: 21 Sep 2006 09:59:48
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

On 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:

>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>> >>
>> >> The_Professor wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>> >
>> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
>> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
>> >
>>
>> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
>
>It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans the
>flames for continued droning on about nothing.
>
>Tex

I don't care whose fault it is or isn't. Is it REALLY that hard to
not talk politics in a GOLF group?
--

jvdp
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 13:48:53
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

The_Professor wrote:
> In any event, I could care less. The issue allowed me to learn
> something about some people here, and it is good to know...other than
> that, it's about as meaningful as the Ryder Cup to me...

Like you, I think the Ryder Cup is silly.
Also like you, I'll probably be glued to the set this weekend watching
it.
Or at least my TIVO'd copy of it.

Date: 21 Sep 2006 13:45:07
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Date: 21 Sep 2006 13:10:09
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

Chris Bellomy wrote:
> John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
> : On 21 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> :
> :>
> :>John van der Pflum wrote:
> :>> On 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
> :>>
> :>> >
> :>> >John van der Pflum wrote:
> :>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
> :>> >> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
> :>> >>
> :>> >> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
> :>> >> >>
> :>> >> >> The_Professor wrote:
> :>> >> >>
> :>> >> >>
> :>> >> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
> :>> >> >
> :>> >> >
> :>> >> >
> :>> >> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
> :>> >> >
> :>> >> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of 1600
> :>> >> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
> :>> >> >
> :>> >>
> :>> >> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
> :>> >
> :>> >It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans the
> :>> >flames for continued droning on about nothing.
> :>> >
> :>> >Tex
> :>>
> :>> I don't care whose fault it is or isn't. Is it REALLY that hard to
> :>> not talk politics in a GOLF group?
> :>
> :>Not at all....except you keep hitting it right of Limbaugh :)
> :
> : Yeah, but everyonce in a while I drop kick a driver left of Helen
> : Thomas.
>
> And yet you're still in the fairway on those!
>
> (Left of me... now you've got a problem.)

Shit, left of you is with "sulpher smelling Chavez" :)

Tex

Date: 21 Sep 2006 15:34:49
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Apology to R&B

"Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158869409.440928.188820@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> John van der Pflum <jpflumjr@ughookugh.com> wrote:
>> : On 21 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> :
>> :>
>> :>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> :>> On 21 Sep 2006 05:44:14 -0700, "Tex" <marktexkoenig@gmail.com> wrote:
>> :>>
>> :>> >
>> :>> >John van der Pflum wrote:
>> :>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:50:32 -0400, "\"R&B\""
>> :>> >> <noneofyourbusiness@all.com> wrote:
>> :>> >>
>> :>> >> >"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote ...
>> :>> >> >>
>> :>> >> >> The_Professor wrote:
>> :>> >> >>
>> :>> >> >>
>> :>> >> >> ......a sad violation of Rule #1.
>> :>> >> >
>> :>> >> >
>> :>> >> >
>> :>> >> >Ah, yes, Annika Rule #1: Never apologize.
>> :>> >> >
>> :>> >> >It's the one character trait you share with a certain resident of
>> 1600
>> :>> >> >Pennsylvania Avenue.
>> :>> >> >
>> :>> >>
>> :>> >> Groan. How did I know this was somehow going to turn political?
>> :>> >
>> :>> >It seems to be common when a debate runs out...blame Bush, it fans
>> the
>> :>> >flames for continued droning on about nothing.
>> :>> >
>> :>> >Tex
>> :>>
>> :>> I don't care whose fault it is or isn't. Is it REALLY that hard to
>> :>> not talk politics in a GOLF group?
>> :>
>> :>Not at all....except you keep hitting it right of Limbaugh :)
>> :
>> : Yeah, but everyonce in a while I drop kick a driver left of Helen
>> : Thomas.
>>
>> And yet you're still in the fairway on those!
>>
>> (Left of me... now you've got a problem.)
>
> Shit, left of you is with "sulpher smelling Chavez" :)
>
> Tex

I'm gonna have to move to Harlem to get me some of that free oil. What a
nutcase.